From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Thank you Caleb, you got us on a good night, Tonight, Hunt Day, Wednesday, the end.
Of the week, go so near for way too many.
And tonight a great debate looking forward to this. John Roscombe, of course connected with the IPA, one of the great free thinkers, takes on a man who's only over here
to help being labeled with bootstraps. Stephen Conroy, the Great Trevor longwill join us, the man who, of course knows so much about technology, about how you are supposed to defend yourself when somebody hacks information from people like Quantus and Wednesday Night the one, the only and the only way you'll see her on Australian TV.
Meghan Kelly.
Remember this, if you ever get chased by one run Serpentine, Serpentine.
You got to go left to record, not a street line.
We discuss the alligator, Alcatraz and a whole lot more. The bad weather continues in and around New South Wales. The southern parts of the state have been particularly thumped, although is the central coast still remain.
Quite the problem.
A lot of people still in the middle of things, some people starting to clean.
Up so cool, that's so incredible. I think they're a life carried off.
But that's so coo, so fun too much.
Yesterday amazing, it was as big as I've ever seen it.
And the surf inside Black Beach three to five foot. We just went to the blohole.
How was it beautiful to get blown.
Away working so compliments on the mustache spectacular. As for the sees, this is part of their efforts today.
Now remember these.
People are volunteers. On top of everything else they do. They do this at a moment's notice. They've got to walk away from their jobs, walk away from their families, and sometimes leave their own homes unprepared. So we're forever thankful to anyone in the orange uniform.
Seven flood rescue activations took place, with vehicles ending up in flooded waters. There is a lot of debris on roads. Trees have fallen, power lines are down. The roads are also very slippery. There have been multiple car crashes and we're asking people to please take care on the roads.
This is the live radar picture.
As you can see, the swirl is continuing. It is ever so slightly moving south, but the intensity of which is still again either side of Sydney. Parts of Sydney have copped it starting to go a little in towards say the Blue Mountains in terms of west of Sydney, but the south coast of New South Wales is copping
a thump. Beneath this image you can see here is some rain that's making its way towards Victoria, and above the very cold weathers of the past couple of days that are starting to be part of that Arctic blast and are moving their way towards Queensland.
So it is not just something.
Specific to this part of Australia if you happen to be in New South Wales. But again, the devastation and the damage, these stories are relentless for obvious reasons. We live in a big and complicated world. No matter what some people want to say that there's a way to solve wind, rain and all the rest of it. But the damage is still worth seeing. That has been around
over the past couple of days. As for the very latest, let's find out the latest now from sky ne Near's weather about what happens tomorrow.
If we are now at the tail end of this system, most of that whether it should clear out before dawn on Thursday.
Now that offshore low that's.
Really been building all of this up, the most powerful one of the three, that's going to push further out to sea, and that's going to really finally ease the rain, wind and surf conditions have been seeing.
You can see the rain around Tazzy all the way through to the southern coast of New South Wales. On the other side of the world, it's a different story. They closed the Eiffel Tower today to tourists because it was too damn hot. Temperatures in some parts of Europe, like Beautiful Portugal were in the forties, thirties in France, high twenties with a chance of poshing much into the
thirties in the UK. So if you know people on that side of the world, which them all the best because the Eiffel Tower closed to tourists, temperature records being smashed all over the place. When it comes to Europe, and not some sort of eighteen degree heat wave, but a fed income one that is happening all over the continent and independent territories that are the United Kingdom.
Now.
For some time I have often said that when it comes to the Australian cricket team. More than happy to cheer them on when it comes to what they do on the field, but they can be a little bit of woke, can't they. As you will have heard by now, they've come up with a way of not playing cricket on Australia Day.
Now. Technically if the T.
Twenty competition doesn't finish on the twenty fifth, well the game could be played on the twenty fifth, but at this stage no plan for cricket on the twenty sixth.
Why because they're woke? Right?
Wara Mundane, talking to Sky News and the Data Telegraph that today said that he thinks it's bizarre what they're doing. What is their reason they have given for this? It's really pathetic and the public who follow the team, follow cricket, love the sport and pay their good money to what you deserve to know. If anything cricket Australia, it should come out and give a reason why they will not.
Play on Australia Day. Now.
I mention this not because you haven't heard it fifteen times already today, but because it does give me an opportunity to kind of mention something that I have been thinking about four months. I remember sitting there during the summer holidays, just my phone started blowing up with the whole bunch of people yelling at me bringing back some comments that I had made in the past about Australian cricket.
Now we know that it's Captain Pat Cummins is one of this new generation of athletes and there are more athletes that have worked these days that not particularly around sports like cricket, but in terms of cricket Australia, they are absolutely living up to the old term go won't
go broke. That's the way it goes, right, And a lot of people turn around and say, whoy Paul, you've said this in the past, And in fact the item that mean my phone started exploding in summer was when Australia defeated India.
Oh go work, go broke. What do you say now, mate again again again?
Well my point is not about the players on the field necessarily, it is not about their performance on the field. But when I say about cricket Australia going woke and going broke, I'm talking about cricket Australia the very people who are a wash with television money, a wash with ticket sales, a wash with merchandising sales. But if you actually have a look at their financial results over not the past twelve months, but let's say the past three years,
they all tell the same story. In the last financial year Australian cricket lost money. Did I say, go woke, go broke? Cricket Autralia announced a net deficit of thirty one point nine million dollars, that being American dollars, sorry, Australian dollars, thirty one American dollars twenty one million dollars. What about the year before, Well that was a sixteen
point nine million dollar loss for Cricket Australia. So two years in, regardless of whether they win, lose or draw, whether they thump them five nil or whether everything gets washed out and it's a draw, two years in a row they have spent more money than they have coming in.
What about the year before that?
Or they too lost five million dollars last financial year despite a World Cup and ashes wins. That's the story of cricket and Cricket Australia. Now some will say the reason because they are losing money is because they are supporting a whole bunch of competitions that didn't exist five ten years ago. They've got multiple versions of T twenty teams and big Bashes and that's the reason. But it also could be that remember the players turned around and
essentially dumped on one of their sponsors. For some people, it's our little through gritted teeth that yes, out of habit and out of love for our country, will cheer
them on. But sometimes the OsO woke positions like Australia Day too scary for is just means you don't enthusiastically support the way that you previously had, which might be a reason why Cricket Australia has pursued in the past couple of years a rather bizarre strategy, which is to pretend that they are going to move things like tests like Boxing Day from the MCG or the Pink Test from the SCG, and bizarrely, state governments have ponied up
taxpayers money taxpayers money to guarantee that the events that are only famous because of where and when they are played continue to be played where and when they will be This is part of the legacy of Mike Baird as the boss of Cricket Australia.
Now we know his record.
When it comes to some sports, particularly greyhound racing, he tried to run it out of town and despite his best efforts, things are not getting turned around financially, as we can see three years in a row. When it comes to cricket Australia, perhaps a little less focus on the wake and a little more on the bottom line.
But what do I know. I'm just a go on TV now.
As you know, I do not look particularly kindly on the endless conversation around Australia day that becomes things like the Invasion Day protests. I want to be honest about our history, but I think Australia, whatever day we would choose, would be one where the same stuff would happen. The reality is there are the stories of Australia. There is the thousands of years before settlement, and there are the fingers crossed thousands of years ahead that are the modern
story of Australia. No one who is in any way a decent human being would not be completely aware of the obvious difficulties and at times atrocities that took place during the period after the first Flair arrive.
There'd be no question about it.
But I also was open about that maybe some people don't want a body put into the Constitution to help deal with indigenous issues, one that obviously no government will turn around and ever say no to. So who would end up as the premium authority in Australia. Well, we know how all of that went. That was a couple of years ago. And yes, often sometimes we talk about it too much, and that vote wasn't a complete let's
never talk about this issue ever. Again, it was very specifically about that idea at that time being put forward. And yes, I have shown you the many times that things like welcome to Country become well just a little too much, the idea that we've all been in plenty of scenarios where you're looking around saying, sorry, why are we doing this? It should be a special occasion. In the same way we don't start every single workday with the national anthem? Do we need to start every single
zoom meeting or sporting contest with welcome to country. Now, again, all of that can be true, but then there are also hard truths that sometimes we need to sit down and listen to. Now, this does not mean that it is a black arm band view of history, nor does it mean automatically that those of us that of course we're never part of such atrocities either need to pay a price or certainly our kids need to be held
back because of the sins of the past. But every now and then there are moments where, regardless of how you feel about Australia Day, about Welcome to Country, or how you voted in the Voice, that we need to be honest about our past, what we do with that past, how we move on from that past, how we educate ourselves about our past. That is well and truly up
for debate. It's one we will have tonight with John and with Stephen to very be proud, passionate Australians who may have very different views on how to deal with this. But today was one of those days where you may well have voted no in the Voice referendum, you may well feel as some do about Welcome to Country, and you may be somebody who loves getting out the green and gold zinc on Australia Day. But we still have to know about some of those atrocities. And a major
report was released today in Victoria. This was their version of a truth Telling Commission, and in some of the reporting about this and these are very big, very thick, very detailed documents. Sometimes it's the first time some of these stories were being told, Others more detail was being added. As the Australian newspaper put it today, violent, illegal and stolen. That is the verdict on European settlement in Victoria. Now again you can agree or disagree, but let's actually listen
to this for a second. The final report described the arrival of European settlers in Victoria in eighteen thirty four as an occupation. They said it was illegal, rapid and largely uncontrolled. The taking of country and resources was violence, as first people were displaced in massacred by European settlers in the pursuit of their land and waters. Well again, you can feel all those things about the stuff I
was talking about before. You can be pissed off about whether cricket is or isn't being played on Australia day, but clearly that's the truth.
How we deal with that.
Truth has to be the debate, not the debate about whether we need to ever hear about this truth. Another version of those that have gone through what is a very big and detailed document, Truth Telling Commission calls for redress financial compensation for Aboriginal Victorians.
I'll get to that in a second.
But again, what was in this report that was released today, Because I have a very big feeling that what was released today is going to be the building blocks of the basic forms of information that generations of kids are going to be taught. They note a range of injustices, including the theft of land and waters, oppressive policies, incarceration on missions and reserves, the deconstruction of language and culture, and the force removal of children from their.
Families and communities.
Today, the Victorian premiere who yesterday and earlier this week was talking about having our own version of the Voice, despite the fact that the people of Victoria had rejected such an idea at the national level. Well knowing that this report was coming, she has said that yes, that is something that she will be pushing.
On with in Victoria.
But rather than just dismiss all of this as yet another example of the black armband of history, or to wallow.
In the details of which are supposed to create.
A sense of guilt in people who did nothing wrong and those of us who do not need to atone for the sense of the past, but clearly want to accept that there is not just some sort of before and after, and we don't really talk about the transition and the difficulties of those changes. The reality is we've got to find a way to learn about this. Do we need to learn about it in every lesson in every single classroom every day, of course not. Do we
need to put it into subjects like mathematics. No, But I've long been a proponent of things like say a Marbo Day, where it's not about the different weeks and the sorry days and all the rest of it. It's a single national public holiday which you may will have on the twet fifth of January, to recognize the Australia that was here before the beginnings of what has become the modern Australia that we know and deeply love today.
I also have been a person who's believed that Australia should do what some other countries have done which used to have in the same way you have a national museum, that there should be some sort of an indigenous national museum in Canberra, so that when you're a school kid you can go to the Parliament, you can go to the War Memorial, you can go to the National Museum, and yes you can go to the Indigenous Museum as well, because as we know currently everyone is trying to do
this work. You cannot go on any sort of a cultural website in Australia without some sort of deep recognition of the past. When the reality is is that if that had a focus in a building and institution an a day, then may be in my view, that is the beginnings of the way to find a new path forward. Because regardless of what has been written in the past in our history, the pages that are yet to be
written are blank, are blank, are blank. And regardless of whether you are the kid born into the poorest part of the toughest part of the Northern Territory or you are the one who is lucky enough to be born in the richest street in a capital city in our country, all of our futures are inter linked. Now, as for what this report is suggesting, again, rather than just glibally bouncing over it, I wanted to actually show you what some of the demands are.
Now.
You can want all of these, you can want none of these, but we've got to have the chat about it right again. In part we will have that discussion tonight, not about black armbanding, not about some sort of bleeding heart lefty version of things. But come on, you can't pretend that today wasn't a very significant day in talking about a past that some of us may claim to know about, but most of us probably don't know enough about. That's just the reality right now.
Take or leave it. This is what they want.
No want to amend the law to make workplaces culturally safe, to establish a complain handling process, and review pay and leave policies.
For First Nation employees.
They want to implement quotas for First Nations representation on company boards and government boards. They want to establish markers and memorials at significant sites to honor First Nations histories, including past injustices, massacres, missions, frontier wars, and leadership as
determined by traditional owners or Aboriginal groups. They also want to restore Indigenous place names in Victoria, prioritizing key public areas like parks, waterways, roads, and ensuring that they are reflected on maps and documents with names chosen by traditional owners and coordinated by the First People's Assembly of Victoria.
I think, apart from anything else that is going to happen, again, I'm not saying it should happen, but I'm saying it's pretty obvious the Victorian government wants something to happen here. The renaming of things, not co naming, but renaming of things is well and truly there Again, this report says that it wants to encourage churches in Victoria to return land acquired cheaply or reserved for them to traditional owners and share proceeds of future sales of such land. There's more,
and I want you to see this. I want you to know what is on the table, because remember, all of this can be dealt with by a treaty process that the Victorian Premier has said nothing is off the table, So all of this could go from a report to law faster than people can come up with reasons why Lydiathorpe should stay in the Parliament advocates for changes to native title laws requiring state to disapprove traditional owners connection
to country rather than the current requirement, which is traditional owners to prove their connection, collaborate with the Commonwealth and negotiate the return of cultural secret and sacred objects from interstate, overseas and private collections. So the museums of the world that have aboriginal artifacts, bring them back and bring them mac specifically to Victoria. Recognize waterways as living entities and appoint traditional owners as guardians, granting them oversight of management
commercial uses, including coal and desalination. I'm going through the detail here because this matters. This is going to be a fork in the road about how we deal with our past. Is this too much?
We will all find out together.
The report also says that they should be exempt traditional owners from paying anything like taxes, rates and charges related to water, grant traditional owners rights over waterways to negotiate our revenue sharing agreement, obtain consent from Indigenous Victorian groups for mineral resource extractive projects, climate change responses, and renewable
energy projects. That Department of Education should develop a separate policy for excluding First Nation students from attendance classroom, excuss suspensions, and have modified timetables. Two more, with guidance from First Nations, Victoria and the university should recognize and compensate First Nations staff for additional colonial load that they bear and fund. Separate Indigenous housing networks and increase housing supple, including quotas
in the Big Build project. I spend time talking about this tonight, not to divide. I spend time talking about this tonight, not to whip up fear and hostility, but for you to understand what is in a report that you will probably be too busy or unable to read, because we have not just the statement of claims, we have the reasons for them, and we have a Victorian government in particular that has said everything's on the table and they are happy to negotiate on all of these things.
It will then be tested by the Victorian Parliament, the majority of which, of course the Labor MP's in the lower house, and there is a left wing group that will most likely support things in the upper House. So this is not often to than never and ever, we are in the middle of the story right now.
Now. Quantas had a big day to day.
They've got six million customers information that is locked up in most of their computers. That network has been compromised. We will find out in the next few days whether or not it is one, two hundred thousand, or most likely millions of people's data that has been hacked. If you are a frequent flyer, like many Australians are, well, yes, your information could be exactly what we are talking about here.
It's already making news into the United States and some customers have had their reaction already.
Well, I'm pretty unhappy.
I mean, I've been quite up in these day of breaches before, and I'm a frequent Flyer member, so I'm assuming I've been caught in this.
It seems to be a common occurrence these days. It's unless I'm directly impacted, then I'm not too phazed about it. And I'm sure Corners is letting me know if it's going to impact me directly.
It's definitely scary to hear.
It's not what we want, and as someone of the public, it's scary that they can get out information.
Trevor Long as a technology man who you can see from the very start of the day to this the very end of the evening. You can see him on the Today Show over on Channel nine. His own website is EFTM dot com or dot com Today you would alsoen you in the same place, and he joins us now from his super high tech super bunker where he's not in the middle of a Formula one simulator. For just a couple of minutes, Big fellow, what about this today?
So we could be talking about potentially millions of people's information. What information may someone on the dark web have ended up.
With today, Paul Good evening.
I think it's going to be three million plus because if six million people's details were in this database, and I've done some digging today, there's fifteen million Quanus frequent flieres.
Why is it only six million?
Because it's people who have been in touch with this call center over the last year or so. So anyone that's been in touch with a call center is probably in this mix. And for Quantas to describe the scale of the loss or the theft as significant really says to me, it's going to be not one hundred thousand,
this is going to be millions of people. So it is good news no financial details, no passwords, but bad news name e. Email, phone number, date of birth, and Quantus frequent flyer number, which doesn't sound like a big deal, but that's enough to have a scammer if they get that information, trick you try and get you to hand over more information, and that's exactly what will happen from here.
See, this is it.
There's going to be a lot of people watching us right now who are really only just getting on top of which emails to trust, whether respond to a text message, these sorts of things. Again, just in terms of looking for the things that this information could feed, that's dodgy. What's the sort of stuff that people looking at their inbox or getting a text should just go That's clearly not true.
Don't go there, Frankly, Paul, an email from Quantus would be suspicious. Now, obviously Quantus is communicating with customers. Now, I got an email tonight with a lot of information from them. No links in that email, so Quantis of just information. We've had this cyber attack, no links, just information. But if you get an email from Quantus that says, oh, due to the account being compromised by a cyber incident, we need you to click here and update your information.
Well, if you.
Click there, the trick is it will look like the Quantus website.
That you go to.
You will believe for everything that it's the Quantus website, but it's not. It's the scammers. So text messages and emails that purport to be from Quanas may not be. And if you believe they are because they talk about an upcoming flight, bring them or open the app and have a look for information directly from quanas, not from that communication, not from an email. And you know what, look out for your family and your neighbors. If you've
got elderly family and neighbors, they're the most susceptible. Sorry, but demographically it's true. Talk to them about the fact that they shouldn't trust emails that ask them to take action.
That's the critical thing.
Well, and also even if you're somebody who is an every now and then fly and by that I mean once every couple of years. My suggestion and tell me if this is wrong here, which is to download the apps of the airlines that you fly. With the download because that information system is even more secure as a way, not just telling you whether your bags have gone missing or whether something's late. And yeah, you may not be flying,
you know all day every day. You mightn't be like like Trevor on myself and you know, could walk yourself to seat thirty six A with your eyes closed, right, or probably one A in his case. But the reality is those apps matter, right, So if you are a customer of everything from a phone company to an airline, download the app.
Is that fair.
Spot on Paul the call center was compromised. It's a major stuff up from quanas to have a call center database like this compromise. Let's be very clear, but their app and their website are completely okay, and so.
To use the app means you've used the official channel.
If you get a phone call that says it's Quantus calling or to chext something, you just go okay, no problems, hang up, and then call the Quantus phone number and talk to the call center. Weirdly, I'm encouraging you to call the call center of the compromise, but have the conversation directly with Quantus, either via their app, via the website, or on the phone. Whatever you do, it's something you initiate, not something they initiate through a click through link on an email or a text message.
I love this bloke.
He's been there since the very start of my career and I want you to support him. And the way to do that tell us your socials, tell us how to find you. With the exception of the Chinese surveillance app, how do people follow Trevor Long.
You'll find me on all the apps at treblong and yeah, just go to e FtM dot com.
Pauly, thank you, mate, good stuff, good man.
He's got a great podcast as well with Stephen Finnick, which is about to obviously record. Thank you, sir, do you appreciate it. We'll talk to you again very very soon, the wonderful Trevorlong there. EFTM dot com is his website. EFTM dot com is his website.
Quick break back with more.
Let's talk about this big report, okay, because I know a lot of people have had a lot of debates over a lot of time, but we are now right at that moment where there's no mystery about what may be negotiated in and around that treaty.
On top of that, we have a chat to Megan.
Kelly about alligator Alcatraz and a whole lot more.
We're just getting started. And by the way, thank you to all those people who send us emails.
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Joining us with.
So much to talk about tonight is none other than John Roskin, the Senior Fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs the IPA, and just here to help. Maybe it was Bootstraps, the former cabinet minister, soccer tragic and doing his best to back.
In the pies. None other than Steven Conroy.
All right, so before we get to the big issues in and around Victoria today and geez, can't we solve those in five minutes? But still today we learn that the seventeen highest ranking public servants in the federal government earn between them.
Sixteen million dollars.
Now, John, this is a system that has got so far out of whack that the person elected Prime minister, the person in charge of carrying out the demands of being the prime minister their department is paid multiples what the prime minister is paid. Kind of the perfect metaphor for how ruined our system is. Right, well, it is, Paul, and look with Stephen.
On with me.
I'd like to blame the Labor government for this, but both Coalition and Labor are responsible for a system that exactly as you say, has got out of wack with mainstream Australia. One of the points that many people have made over many years, but it's made no difference, is that the head of our civil service equivalent in the UK is paid three times less.
It's about the same.
In the US.
The chief of our Defense Force has paid a million dollars. The chief of the Joint Chiefs in the US, with two and a half serving million serving people in the Defense force is paid three or four.
Hundred thousand dollars Australian.
Eventually a Labor or Liberal prime minister is going to have to take a knife to this.
Well, Steven, I mean you've been the type of minister who's sat there and you know there's only so many problems you can fix in one day. But this is this is just borderline taking piece, isn't it now?
Well, look, I mean to to agree with John completely. Unfortunately both sides of politics have presided over this gap widening. I mean some might argue that the PM and the ministers are underpaid and that you could reduce that.
Topari politician would say that.
Only the former minister would be sitting. You know how we could fix this. The ministers should be paid a million dollars as well. I wouldn't go that far, but.
That the key, the key treasury and the key portfolios their significance responsibilities. Now most of the departments are now there used to be thirty departments. They've already moved into these mega departments. And though the responsibilities of each individual departmental head has grown over time, whether it's great enough
to justify some of those salaries. It's always easy to take pot shots, but the people who run those departments, usually highly qualified, been doing it for a long time, and they are more complex jobs than they seem to easily be poking at because the salaries have been added up to the sort of numbers you were talking about.
All right, so let's get to where I was today, which is this truth Telling Report which comes out in Victoria.
Now again the adult.
Conversation here is that you can have an opinion about australed day, you can have an opinion about a voice, you can have opinion about welcome the country. But also central to all of this is all of us wanting to say, hey, we need to.
Know the truth. Whatever that truth is, however ugly in our history.
You need to learn from it like everything and everyone else everywhere else, But John, what's interesting here is that we are in a scenario twelve months out from a Victorian election. There is a list of demands and a government that doesn't seem to be too resistant to many of the demands. There's a lot of things that may well not cost money, like the renaming of this, that and the other, or the reorganizing of this, that and the other, and they'll all sort of get the automatic tick.
But how we deal with and the justification for that being what is the truth telling part of this? But there is an awful lot of detail on how this is responded to really really matters. Now, I know you Cinderella and maybe we'll be playing for her place in history and we'll just tick and flic most of this. But we've got to be carefully to separate the necessary histories we all have to learn with how we quote unquote atone or deal with it?
Thoughts Well, I think that's right, Paul. But there's two aspects of it.
And you've put your finger on their history that Australia's history. Victoria's history is also notwithstanding the tragedy of what has happened to Indigenous Australians over two hundred years, is one of the world's greatest successful liberal democracy, freedom of speech, a quality, prosperity. None of that has been discussed in the Truth Telling Commission.
I'd also say something else.
This is about money, about reparations, it's about control of land. But I also think the renaming of things that people understand these issues are really important as well, and it's absolutely understandable we go back and discuss what has happened in the colonal period, but none of this helps us moving forward. We have to remember fifty four percent of Victorians, even in the socialist left capital.
Of Australia, voted no to a voice.
This is another example, just as we were talking about in public service salaries, a moment ago of the elites imposing their will on a public that doesn't want this, that doesn't need this. And I think they've said no to identity politics.
And full credit to the Victorian Coalition.
Down here in Melbourne, which had a lot of problems, but which has said no to a treaty and no to this process.
Yeah, I mean, Stephen, it is not an accident that many reports by this commission were brought out today. Right, We're put simply, here's the stories of the past, the past, the past, the past, the past, obviously to rack up the moral case for what they claim to be.
He is the future of the future of the future.
Okay, So that's not accidental, that's the purpose of this whole process, right. And again I'm not sitting here going the bleeding heart. I'm not said of, you know, trying to trojan horse some leftism into you in Sky and his primetime. Relax everyone here, But what I am trying to say is there clearly is a way to deal
with this. And as a person who sat around a cabinet table, how do you deal with this because you don't want to say yes to everything, You don't want to say no to everything, but you also don't want to flip everything on its head.
Look, I think you've actually capsulated that really well, Paul. There is a role for the truth telling as it's been described, and for Australians to understand that what happened two hundred odd years ago was not quite as a peaceful transition as we want to believe. So I think there's a really important process, which is the point you've made. I would hope that the Alan government don't try and
ram it through. I think they need to set out the case, make the points, get the community, the whole community, not just the Indigenous community who produced this report. I think it's important the Voice Pending told.
Us a story. Out of the Voice.
It was that we need to explain what we're trying to do. And I think that's the message that the Allen government should take out of the Voice because what happened was a backlash created. II thin going to be a terrible waste of all the work that's been done, the stories that have been put forward. If there was a backlash crowded because the Allen government tried to ram it down Victorian's throats, I think that would win the argument.
But I think they need to be thoughtful and consultative and embracing in their way they take their Victorian community forward with us.
The thing dare I say between now and November, let's see the governing, alternative and minor parties with their response to this report.
Put it to that election.
So there's no mystery about what will be the mandate for the further negotiation. But again my sense is, but if this might happen, will and truly before then a couple of things before I'll let you, fellows get back to your normal life.
Thank you for swimming up the shallow end with.
Me, which is Fiji's come out today and said no, bugger off. China not interested in you having a military base, certainly anywhere near them. This is great news for those of us who have long hoped that specific island nations would turn around and find a way to push back. Stephen, how long does that last? And does it change if there's a meeting in Beijing in two weeks time, because sometimes that seems to be the case.
No.
Look, I think Rambuga has got a very strong position on this. He's been the leader in the pushback within the Pacific and the South Pacific islands and he deserves a lot of credits and we need to keep supporting him as he is working with all those other island communities to say no to China. We need to be supporting him and pointing to how he's explaining what the
Chinese tactics are and what they get up to. So more power to him than Australia needs to work closely with him to try and ensure we're not under any sort of pressure and threat around a Chinese military base.
John, you can play on that one, Or what about the US is now starting to choke off the supply of arms to Ukraine. Your thoughts on either of these issues and worlds.
And everything else too, Paul, just before we go to President Trump. I think Stephen is right. The Prime Minister of Fiji also talked about conserving in the ADF. At the moment that has been rejected. I think it should be very seriously considered. I think it would be very important for both countries, and I think the citizens of both countries would welcome it.
You're right that the US.
Has limited some supplies of missiles to the Ukraine in transit as they were literally being delivered, and I think we all have to hope that this doesn't signify a reduction in the commitment to Ukraine's fight for freedom against Russia.
Unless, of course, there's a possibility here where the US is going to start sending alligators. Because I'm going to talk about this in a second with Meghan Kelly.
Which is the.
Alligator alcatras, which I love. Look, I don't know there's policy will at all. What's going to happen in the middle of a hurricane.
I don't care.
It's a great idea, a wonderful message. The man knows how to do a bit at theater, and we'll get to that in a second. But Steven, give me the thirty seconds on what seems like the beginning of the tap being turned off.
Yeah.
Look, I mean this is just one now. I think what Trump is trying to do is weaken the Ukraine to give into Putin's demands. I think this is a terrible signal that he says to the Alliance and Western democracies.
Well, this was a very adult and civilized chat. I look forward to having another one. But I'll find some way to what you're fighting. Thank you, lads, do appreciate it. Thank you John, Thank you Stephen. All right, quick break. The wonderful Meghan Kelly joins us straight after the break, A good fun chat about everything from the Alcatraz situation, the alligator Alcatraz to or a whole lot more. She's the best in the business and I know you love
seeing it. You'll see her every Wednesday night here on pulm Ree Life. Our favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite person in the world, the one,
the only, the amazing Meghan Kelly. One of the stories today is the President who's going to the Guida Alcatraz, But we can't talk about that yet because on his way to the helicopter to go to the plane to go to all Gaeta Alcatraz, he has a little bit to say about his former mate, who remember I think even rented property in marri Lago, Elon Musk, suggesting he may deport him.
Know he's upset, he is that he's losing his evy mandate and he's except yaller. He's very upset about things, but you know he could lose a lot more than that. It was just a monster that might have to go back and eat Elon.
And we'll be there but this will never happen.
But thoughts Megan, mom and dad are fighting again. He's always uncomfortable for the children. You don't want to witness it. You want it done behind closed doors where they can work things out quietly. Elon hates the big beautiful bell. I'm sure he genuinely sincerely hates it. It is it does, like on its papers, increase the deficit by some three trillion dollars over ten years. Trump doesn't believe that, and
I understand he's actual. He got a very colorable argument, which is, this thing is going to unleash such growth and prosperity in America that that's not accounting for the growth is not factored in at all by these number crunchers who simply look at what are the outlays and what are the expected incomes, and when it comes to taxing.
People, it doesn't factor in growth.
So Trump is trying to say, you know, you're misjudging it. And I think he genuinely believes that Elon doesn't like spending. He's been of course, On does trying to stop too much government spending. And let's face it, Elon also doesn't like the fact that these green energy subsidies are being taken away. This is all in what Trump calls the
Green new Scam. It was Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, which was really just a green energy bill, offering these subsidies for wind power and solar power and evs to try to make people convert to this kind of energy, which we hate.
I'm sorry, but we hate. Wind energy is a joke.
It sucks, and all those wind turbines all over our beautiful oceans are killing whales. There's all sorts of evidence that it's really causing massive problems. Not to mention, they're unsightly, they're ugly. They're ruining some of the most beautiful coastlines in America. So people don't want this. The only way they buy these energy programs is if they're subsidized by
their fellow taxpayers. And Trump is saying in this big beautiful bill, that's one of the things that's going I'm going to create no taxes on tips for waiters and waitresses. I'm going to do no taxes on overtime for the working class, no taxes on Social Security for the elderly. But something's got to give otherwise we really will run up the deficit. And what I want to give, among other things, is I'm done subsidizing these loser industries.
We're capitalists. Either you make it on your own or you're done. Sorry. That's the way life works.
But Elon has a massive presence in the ev industry and I think possibly the solar industry as well, and very much objects to this, and Trump so he's been very critical and now he's resumed his talk of creating a third party. And also on Monday, he said he is going to primary anyone who votes for this thing, which means literally every Republican but two in the Senate
and virtually see him in the House. And Trump's getting annoyed again, so he is talking about possibly possibly deporting him and possibly seeking doge on Elon's subsidies that he gets from the FATS.
I've just got this image of you know, the ice agents turning up and Elon's just you know, running like the billionaire towards his spacecraft to go up and just live above us, just float around constantly as an intergalactic citizen with the president, you know, waving every time it goes over. And look, you know, for people outside of America trying to pull apart the detail inside the big beautiful bill. But basically Trump went, look, we can do things bit by bit over four years, and we'll do
it all at once, take it or leave it. And that means there's a lot of unpleasant tasting sandwiches for people that would have those things but are putting it all together. We'll see what happens. There's vote a ramas happening right now in the US within desperately trying to get this thing done. But let's get to Alligator Alcatraz. I don't know who came up with the name, but a bravo, a brovo to the branding department. Very well, we all know what this means, which is, I don't want.
To go there.
Right exactly.
Well.
Trump's original idea was to reopen the actual Alcatraz, this prison, infamous prison off the coast of San Francisco where we used to have some of our worst criminals.
It was closed.
There are sorts of environmental problems out there, and Trump, you know, in his sort of off the cuffway, was like, let's reopen that we can send all the illegals and.
The like, the worst of the worst out there.
But that's a nightmare and environmentally was never going to happen. And so I think he got off of that pretty quickly, stopped talking about it, and suddenly we had Alligator Alcatraz, which is a great name. And I heard my friends over at Real Clear Politics debating on whether it should instead be called Python Prison because there's a lot of pythons down in this same region.
Alligator Alcatraz is better.
But yeah, either way, it could be like the subheading on a book also known as and that's where they want to put some of the worst and worst illegals that we're rounding up here. Okay, like you know these, Senator Chris van Holland, you don't want us to ship them off to El Salvador. How does alligator Alcatraz sound to you? Ron DeSantis is an ally to the President and is totally on board, and this thing is supposed to be able to house some five thousand of our worst offenders.
So cool.
I think it's brilliant.
Honestly, this branding alone, that message will go to every single corner of everyone and make them even more right and rightly.
So just that curiosity.
As an Aussie, I've got to ask you, would you prefer to be confronted with a bunch of pythons while breaking out of a prison or a bunch of alligators.
The reason I say alligator is what you should stick with is because sometimes you know people who work out, they have pythons, big pythons muscles, so that would sort of seem like, I don't know, there'd kind of be a strange energy coming out of the python in prison. I think that's the place you can work out, right, But alligator because obviously we've got crocodiles and you know they kick alligator's asses all day, no question, right, But I don't want to be mucking around with an alligator.
Anytime you even see those things on a golf course, you want to run the other way, let alone thinking about oh you know, hey, hose, do you want to jump over the fence?
No, why there's alligators there? That's right?
And also remember this, if you ever get chased by one, run serpentine.
Serpentine, You've got to the left of right, not a street line.
You learn something. That's what I like about the chance with Meking you learn something. You can see her on the Meg and Kelly show her YouTube channel, podcast or Serious XM quick break back with more. Now, Donald Trump has got a fragrance that he is out in the selling.
Because of course he's earning less money than.
Albow as a leader of a country. But if Albo had to have a fragrance, what would it be? Your suggestions which have been spectacular next last night, I could not help but notice that the president of the United States, as a way of trying to make up money, because you see, the Australian Prime Minister earns more money than the President of the United States. The Australian Prime minister earns more than the UK Prime minister. The Australian Prime
minister is paid more than six hundred thousand dollars. The Prime Minister of India one beating people earns thirty six thousand dollars. So sometimes you got to have a side hustle. And for Donald Trump, the side hustle that he is openly promoting on his Trump Social is Trump Fragrances, and he even has an ad to tell you how you can have a little bit of a whiff like him.
My new Trump fragrances are here. They make a great Christmas present. I've named them Fight Fight Fate because they represent winning.
We all want to be winning.
We have to win as a nation, we want to win as a family. This fragrance is all about strength and success and confidence for men and for women. Get yourself bartle, and don't forget to grab one for your loved ones too. They'll thank you and they'll even smell good.
That's my favorite line of all of that. Did buy it? They'll even smell good. That is a man who.
Knows his crowd well. I asked you to send me suggestions, supports, goings dot com dot a you of the potential side hustle for our prime minister. What could be some of the ou de toilettes that we could have to improve his whiff? Well, thank you very much, because I got flooded now. About a third of them were toilet related, which I wasn't going to go near. Some were a little even dirtier than that, but some were very clever.
So please let us go through the.
Fragrance aisle of your local department store, where coming soon may well be one of the fragrances de albo The first one here is Albonicia, which is like the man forget the beau fragrance.
That is from Catherine.
Thank you about on the nose when only a third of the country votes for you to be prime minister, Get on the nose. Thank you, Patrick, thank you, James, Thank you Amanda. Seven three seven. There's nothing like getting away from the country that you are slowly driving into the ground than seven three seven total Number two The scent for a man who wants to be normal but
clearly isn't. Thank you Gary, Thank you Eltha. Blackout the smell of green energy a unique blend of sparks and continuous blackouts.
Thank you Graham. I like this one.
Each spray elbow for the man who likes to keep both faces smelling fresh.
Well done, Jeffrey. I like that snack, and that as well.
Airbus the scent of jet fuel, James Price says, because.
Maybe he's born with it. Maybe he's make believe. I like it.
Say you think long and hard here, and you de delu MoU. Thank you Chris, for the perfect man who's in his sixties, who wants to see him down with the kids. I want more no common sense, This one from Bev and her family as well. When you have spent the entire country's money and all everyone is left with is no common sense. And I've been traveling in the car. Carlos's suggestion for the man who never ever ever takes responsibility, just some of the fragrances coming to
a gift. I'll need you the perfect fathers, mothers or they, days or parent or guardian or legal careholders. Day afternoon or whatever period of day does not offend day or night, because The last thing you ever want to do, particularly when smelling like Albow, is make a decision.
That's our show for to night. He's the late debate