Paul Murray Live | 19 May

that's what we're doing tonight. Now good news tomorrow probably for those of us that are trying to pay off a home loan because we borrow too much because that house was just so much more beautiful than the one that we were already in. Well, this is something that about thirty percent of Australians knows something. About thirty percent of Australia is paying off the house they're living in, thirty percent is paying off a sorry is renting, and

another thirty percent of already paid off their home. So tomorrow, the expectation is that when the Reserve Bank meets again, they're going to cut rates.

and I know that. And to give you an illustration of this being probably the most significant group that made its movement and change of mind during the election. Before the rate cut, the Liberal Party was leading, according to red Bridge with those whom were paying off their homes fifty one to forty nine. After the rate cut in February, it became fifty to fifty after the panic around the Trump tariffs, which of course resulted in a stock market

fall that has now been completely erased. In fact, the market is higher than when it started to fall. But don't tell anyone. By then it was too late because the Labor Party had taken a lead fifty three forty seven and eventually fifty five forty five with people who were paying off their homes and debt. Was a point that I was trying to make to you last week when we got interrupted by live events. So I want to continue on with that point about how debt does

and doesn't play a role in modern Australian politics. Now, Jim Chalmers, as we know, made a lot of debt when he was the Shadow Treasurer, a trillion dollars of liberal debt, a trition dollars of liberal debt. But you know now that this year Australia racks up a trillion dollars of debt under the Labor Party. It then becomes almost one point one one point one, then it becomes one point two trillion dollars in and around the time

of the next federal election. And for those of us who know what the consequences of debt is for a country, look at countries like Greece, look at a whole bunch of other ones around the world. We know that eventually when it comes knocking, there's going to be problems. In fact, tomorrow will also be an interesting economic document that will

be the Victorian budget. Is so they have operated under this modern labor idea of modern monetary thinking, which essentially means that governments can back up as much debt as possible because it's good debt. Now, of course, the good debt would normally be spent on things like infrastructure, but increasingly the Australian federal budget, in fact, almost forty percent

of the Australian federal budget is paying off welfare. We also know that many, if not most, of the major promises that were made by the government at the last election, we're all going to in increase that amount of debt in Victoria. They've played this politics for a long time and it has worked electorally for them for a long time. But the results are now going to be the public servants are going to get the chop tomorrow. There will probably be a whole series of tax increases and we'll

see how this looks like on the other side. Because one thing that is absolute about this Labor Party that has been handsomely re elected in Canberra is that they are going to follow the triangle of dependence. This is where you either work for the government, so any suggestion on cutting back on public servants is enough to scare a significant part of the population. You are reliant on the government for a handout, and therefore any change to the amount of handouts somehow can be written up as

a threat to your handout. Or if you're in private business, then the biggest customer to your private business is the government. Hence why in Victoria we have a scenario where essentially, if you're in private business, you're in small business. You're surplus to the needs of the permanent state, that is dependence on the state that has been created for the best part of thirty years bar one term, for the

best part of thirty years in Victoria. We'll see whether there is a price to be paid or whether people will continue going down this road where we know where it's all going to end up. But the reality about debt and Australian politics is that perhaps it is a little too much to assume that the average voter is going to vote on the national finances when they are all so deeply in debt themselves. Let me show you

this graph here from Macro Business. It shows you here about the number of Australians and the percentage of the income in terms of their household debt now in twenty twenty four, it's the best part of two hundred percent of the amount of money that's going to come into the household is how much you have to spend when it comes to your debts, be everything from the house that you live in to the car that you're driving, perhaps the second property. The same when it comes to

disposable income. That the debt for people there is at one hundred and twenty percent of the money that is coming in. And when you have a look at the percentage of wages that are required to pay off your mortgage. Again, a group that I had some faith in, but they ended up having faith in the current government rather than changing the government. After those thirteen interest rate rises more

than fifty percent. Fifty percent of every paycheck that comes into a third of the country that is paying off its mortgage goes on paying the mortgage. Let's compare this to say, ten years ago when it was about thirty

five percent. It's now half so in many ways, when the federal government knows that we as individuals borrow as much as we possibly can to the absolute hilt, and then sometimes we borrow against what we are already borrowing to borrow more to get more stuff, then there's no expectation that when the federal government is putting together its own finances, the Australians demand that the federal government is

more well behaved than we are. But make no mistake, the federal government and the federal budget is in a world of pain. It is in what we call a structural deficit because of the decisions that have been made by this government to increase its spending and despite the huge increases in population that we will get between now and when it will be about twenty sixty and it'll

be forty million people living in the country. This is how many budget deficits the treasurer thinks we are going to produce one every single year for the next forty years. You add one deficit on top of another, on top of another, on top of another on top of another. Before we even go into this red rectangle of debt. It's one point to trillion dollars that we owe if all of this becomes true over the next forty years, that number will end up at two trillion dollars in debt.

This is despite the fact that the tax base will be growing because they're going to keep adding more people. Because the Labour Party was able to successfully weaponize any conversation about migration as being something about every person who has emigrated to Australia, it's not true. It wasn't true when the arguments were being made during the election, and it won't be true when the arguments are being made

between now and the next election. Because despite the fact that austraight is population according to the Bureau of Statistics, and they have three models here that show us high immigration, where basically the post COVID years keep running and then we end up with a population that is the best part of what more than forty five million people, or maybe it's kind of where they hope it's going to be in the next little while, and it ends up

being thirty nine million people, or for some reason they're able to haver the number of people that are currently coming in and it ends up being thirty four million people. By the twenty seventies, the federal government will still be running a deficit. The population now is at twenty seven Even if it was at forty five million people, the government would still be running a budget deficit. This matters. There will be a reckoning. I don't want there to

be a reckoning. I don't want there to be that bad day. But modern politicians of the left believe that they can just keep borrowing because as long as they have something to announce or something to give away at an election, we will keep re electing the same people who are doing fundamental damage to the Australian economy. Voters sent a very clear message at the election that they

just don't care. And maybe that is because even the very people who have paid tens of thousands of dollars more on their mortgage in the first three years of the Labor government and they still believed that they were the best people to run the economy for the next three years. Well, the reality is that we will get

more of the same. And while interest rates will now start to trickle down, and I will cheer down every single one of these As a person who is trying to pay off a mortgage that yes, is too big, even when you have a dream job like this, in a beautiful house that I want to have for my wife and kids. The reality is that the story of Australia will continue to be a lot of pain for a lot of people. When that ever turns into a political problem for politicians is when we will start to

learn our lesson. But till then the lesson is going to need to be learnt and it's going to hurt a lot of people. And after the Prime Minister's thumping win a couple of weeks ago, the people who brought him fifty percent of the Labor Party, the union movement, well, it is now starting to show its muscle. It is now starting to demand in return that everything goes their way. The Transport Workers' Union today are threatening to shut down

Australian transport. This would have been nice to know a couple of weeks before an election, but of course we were focused on well anything but the actual future of the country for the next three years. Instead, we were having the personality games today. Companies being targeted by the union include Quantus, Aldi, Amazon and a bunch of other logistics companies, as well as lin Fox, Toll, Virgin Australia, Borrel,

some freighters, as well as the garbage collector's cleanway. According to one of the union bosses in the papers this morning and online tonight, we are all celebrating labour stunning reelection, but we must also seize the moment. He claims that voters had rejected divisive tactics and endorsed a vision of higher wages, secure jobs and a central, very legitimate role for unions in the Australian economy. This is why Label was rewarded with a decisive mandate. Interestingly, though it's not

quite true. You see Australians when it comes to union membership, it's not massive. In fact, it is less than ten percent. In fact, the number is even lower than where it was ten years ago. There are just seven hundred and fifty six thousand people who work in Australia who are a member of a union if they work for a private company. For those that are in the public sector, surprise, surprise,

that number is a whole lot higher. But put simply well, thirty three percent of the government and the people who work for the government are part of a union. Just seven point nine percent, which is down four point two percent, are members of a union. So the Transport Workers' Union is absolutely correct to know that it's masters in the political party or dare I say the dog and it's the tail that wags whatever. It's one of the same thing that when the Labor Party has an opportunity to regulate,

they will regulate in favor of you U unions. When Australians have the choice about whether they want to join one or not. Ninety two percent of people aren't part of a union, unless, of course, you work for the government. If you work for the government, then a third of all people are part of a union. Hence why I was talking before about that triangle of dependency. That is the reality of what we face. Good to know that these unions had a plan to potentially shut down Australia

to get better deals out of these big companies. But of course they wouldn't dare tell us that during an election, would they, because then the truth of their demand on the government, Well, of course we'd be able to stop it. But now the election is clear, the result is absolute, and now the receipts are due, and the Transport Workers' Union know that the government will back them to the Hillton and if they don't, and if the companies don't

give in to their threats. Then they could bring Australia to its knees. In the meantime, one thing that I do think unions should be fighting for and maybe even talking about striking on, is the role of AI in some of the more menial tasks in our economy. Reality is that there are thousands of jobs for people who

are apparently low skilled workers. These could be people who have plenty of skills from foreign countries but they're not recognized in Australia, or they could be young people trying to start out earning a little bit of money while they are trying to study for their eventual careers. There's a trial which is taking place right now in Victoria and it is an extension of what many of us

have in our homes. Although minds on the threats at the moment, and because of the interest rates, we'll have to wait for a couple of drops before we can go and buy one of these new robot cleaners. Well, robot cleaners are currently being deployed in some supermarkets. This is a job that a human used to do, just as a check our check used to be a job that a human used to do, but now a computer

does it. How many things have you seen when even a couple of days ago, I was in a car park and you expect to see somebody who'd be the car park contendent. No, no, no more, no more humans

involved in that. Would it be interesting to see if the shop is union turned around and decided, you know what, let's go on strike to make sure that the lowest paid workers, the ones who may be entering the workforce or just trying to keep food on their table by cleaning in a supermarket, will be able to keep their job and not have it replaced by a robot. I'd love to know if that was what unions were planning to do with their new power. But instead it's going

to be more robots in every other industry. But in the Transport Workers Union of course, no robots replacing workers there, and rightly so. I don't want to see workers replaced there, but a chance of shutting down the country for what one union wants, while another one will turn around and just simply let automation takeover in the aisles of our shopping centers a little sign of things to come. I hate any person who would strike a member of their family.

It's the lowest, most despicable thing that people do. It is never to be forgiven, it is never to be excused, It is never okay. And I'm pleased to say that over six hundred people were arrested over the weekend. Why because the news of Olds Police Force decided to go and swoop and a whole bunch of issues in and around people who had either been accused or previously been

found guilty of committing domestic violence offenses. More than six hundred people have been arrested and thirteen hundred plus charges have now been laid during a four day blitz on domestic and family violence across New South Wales. In total, six hundred and twenty seven people were arrested, two hundred and fifty seven had outstanding warrants. Police ended up laying thirteen hundred charges and carried out twelve hundred bail compliance checks.

They also conducted twelve nine hundred and twenty six checks on apprehendied domestic violence orders, identifying five hundred and thirty five breaches. The Police Minister spoke of this important work that police have to do.

thank you. On behalf of people who may will not have the voice to be heard. I repeat, anyone who does this is a bastard. Meantime, if you need help in relation to your situation, I want to make sure that you have a telephone number. Write it down one hundred seven seven seven three two. This is the domestic violence hotline. It is twenty four to seven help and Support line. I understand this is difficult. I understand you may have to save the number under a different name,

which in and of itself is terrible. But one hundred, respect which is one eight hundred and seven three seven seven three two. Now, you know that one of the dumbest things that I do when it comes to my own health is smoke. It's a dumb and stupid thing which will probably end up taking my life. I know that. But there are way too many people who do continue to do so. But there is one person who is absolutely committed to making sure that Australia does not stop smoking,

and that is the Federal Treasurer, Jim Chalmers. Why because the federal budget gets seven b seven billion, seven billion dollars out of tobacco taxes. Now, this number, of course was increased in the lead up to the last budget as they were trying to keep themselves out of a deficit, something that they didn't do. But of course they got re elected because people didn't care. But the reality is that tobacco taxes are a big problem in Australia. I don't say that as a person who wants to pay

less for smoking. I say it because the taxes are now so high that we know it's creating a whole new class of crime. The federal government is so addicted to tobacco taxes that it makes two billion dollars more than it does out of the fringe benefits tax, six billion dollars more out of luxury car tax, about four billion dollars more than out of the taxes on beer. You can do the sums on spirits, even the major

bank levy. All of those are way less than the seven billion, seven billion, seven billion dollars that the federal government makes out of tobacco taxes. But the problem we the system that has been created for a whole collection of reasons, is that while the government keeps jacking up the tax, the number of people that are smoking is not going down by the same rate by which the tax keeps going up. Because people have found a way

around the system. They are smoking illegal tobacco crap from China. But it's crap that's very freely available and is very cheap compared to legal product. It is sold in tobacconists all over the country. And you may well have noticed that despite the fact that there's apparently fewer people smoking, there are more tobacconists than ever before. I'll give you the tip. It's because they're selling the chop chop and you don't have to use a special code and a

special whistle and knock three times. It's very easy to get. I remember when we were in Perth recently, there was an extraordinary thing when we walked into a convenience store and there was literally a queue out the door, and I joked, not knowing this was the case, that Jesus must be the place where everyone buys their chop chop

or buys their vapes. Because remember this federal government made a decision not to legalize and tax vaping, which would have produced millions, potentially billions of dollars for the federal budget. It would have regulated the market. No, no, no, let's keep it all in the black market. The que out of the door was exactly for what I thought it was, because in between the chewing gum and the cash register there it was an entire sort of selection panel of

which particular vape did you want to buy? Or which version of chop chop did you want. This was happening in broad daylight. It was happening all day. It was even happening when they were open on Anzac Day. So Australians know there is one hell of a way around the system, and the people who are selling it know

no one is going to ever check. I don't understand why but it seems that the explosion in illegal tobacco, which is also being controlled by international criminal gangs, they know that just like selling drugs or anything else, essentially, Okay, we might get a little bit caught here, a little bit caught there, but it's worth the risk because there's money in it. Well, I must say I am always a little bit surprised when somebody is a little bit

late to the party. I've been talking about this for probably ten years that if you keep putishing the taxes so high and there is an alternative that people will go and buy and it's freely available, they will go and do it. Well, our betters at the Channel nine newspapers have started reporting on this today. They've even in their editorial thundered that the tobacco tax is a disaster and it's playing it out on our streets. Well, all I can say is, just like John McLean said, welcome a.

decisions they make. Now, one thing that absolutely happened to the federal election was that Victoria, which was looking a bit dicey for the Labor Party, turned out being you bete for the Labor Party. In fact, in basically every seat they got a swing towards them. Well, now the hammer comes down to those people in Victoria who have been understandably complaining, protesting and understandably righteous with indignation about the rollout of renewables. Guess what's coming more of them.

In fact, apparently seven percent of the land mass of Victoria is about to be taken over by the things that make the cities feel a whole lot more comfortable as Australia does its bit to cut one percent of global emissions. You see there is a very strong protest movement. I don't know that in places like Ballarat. They're out there and they're saying pee off to Osnett and I'm with them. And then there's the people in the Hunter Valley who said, oh they're off sure win things terrible.

And then there's the people in South Coast and you said, whilst they've done the same, Well, guess what, Because because all of those seats voted labor and had a swing towards them, you're going to get more of it, not less of it. In fact, an interesting little story which seemed to go under the radar. I think it came out on Friday hoping that nobody would notice, but well

under their old sun for actually noticing. Because the maps are now starting to come out about where all this stuff is going to go and in Labor Loyal Victoria, the government agency in charge of planning the state's ambitious renewables rollout, has released maps signposting where wind and solar is best suited in Victoria in a bid to spur

more investment. It shows the transmission component of its plan has exceeded to cost four point three billion dollars over fifteen years, but energy experts say the modeling has an accuracy range of up to one hundred percent, meaning it could cost eight point six billion dollars. The plan shows new lines will be proposed to impact rural communities as

well as residents on the outskirts Alban's West. All those people like the people in and around Ballarat who handsomely revoted for the Labor Party, who may will do so again at the state election. Guess how you get repaid with more of what apparently everyone says they don't want.

Vic Grid, which plans new high voltage lines and where they go, has suggested that some of the areas that will be most suitable over the next fifteen years central Highlands, central North Gippsland, Northwest southmest Grampians and into the southern Malley now I know that people are very pissed off about it, and they get very annoyed about it, and they protest about it. But then more people in their communities turn around and vote for the very people who

are going to dump more of this upon you. Just like with the budget, when it comes to this stuff, until the votes start changing, nothing will change when it comes to the people who are going to actually have to suffer the burden of their part of Australia changing for the worst forever. There'll be a state election in the next few months in Victoria, a no doubt will be completely distracted by ugabooger about the Liberal leader and

ugaburger about something that someone said one time. Remember this stuff, because this is the stuff that apparently people complain about all day every day. But then, for some reason, despite the fact that more people turn up to the protest than last time, the reality is if Labour's vote keeps going up, you're going to get more of this stuff meantime, Can you save me the handwringing about the changes to superannuation Again, there are millions of people who didn't vote

for this. Two thirds of the country did not vote for Labor, but a third of the country gave its preferences, which meant two thirds of the country ended up putting in a government that is going to increase taxes on superannuation. They're going to put these taxes through the Parliament with the help of the Greens and the ability to change this stuff just like they do with Baco taxes or

anything else for the next few years. It's going to cause a world of pain and I'm so pleased that they're so loud today.

three million dollars in their superannuation. And of course by the time they get there in a few decades time, you know that it's going to be two and a half minion, it's going to be two point four two point one two million dollars. But as long as we keep out the people we don't like because social media tells us they're bad, this is the reality. It's not about soooking, it's not about moaning. It's about saying, hey, elections have consequences, and it's not just up to the

political people who make these arguments. It's up to us to continue to make them. It's up to us to be able to try to convince our friends and our neighbors and our family members. But as I say, when it comes to the debt, when it comes to the renewables rollout. When it comes to things like this, elections have consequences, and by goodness, this one's got some consequences.

One of the tightest states, one of the tightest seats in the election, looks like it is very close to being called, and I think there's about forty votes in it right now. But it looks like there is about to be an extra Teal in the Federal Parliament. Now. Some people had or previously suggested that the Liberal Party had been able to hold off the Teal. Well, some votes have come in from people voting all around the world, and guess what. The Teal is now in front by

the best part of forty votes. That will now be an automatic recount. But you know how these things go. The potential Teal, I've got to say, who I can't stand a lot of her politics. In fact, most of it, if not all of it, many of her tactics pretty brutal. But she's not out there doing the Zoe Daniels. She's just simply saying this. I'm grateful that we live in a country the trusted electoral commission that conducts itself with integrity. I don't quite think that I get such a look

at the institution's underpinning our democracy. But seeing the AC operate over the past few weeks, I'm glad that we live in Australia. We should never take our democracy for granted.

to smile. So that's the way we like to live our lives.

absolute rollercoaster of emotions that Susan was going through. When it comes to her own political career hitting its zenith as the alternative Prime Minister, but then of course being brought back down to worth as she did speaking about her mum, and she was by her mum's bedside with

other key members of the family. But I just want to say strength and love to Susan, and thank you to Angela for everything she's done for the country, and of course being Susan's mum, and shout out to everyone famous or otherwise who is dealing with something like that, because that is what happens to each and every day. Yet the world march is on, doesn't it. It does, no matter how empty sometimes we feel because of the

ones that we have lost. But again, strength and love to you if you're going through that right now because of a family member who is either crooked or has left us of recent times. Joining us now two beautiful friends of mine who agree on nothing other than Senator Matt Canavan and future senator because if she plays her cards right, that's the case. And now she's wearing the green, but she can freely wear which is none other than Linda Scott. Of course labor to her bootstraps, so she

knows that I'm just twisting the knife. Love to see you both. Let's get let's just get straight to the elephant in the room here, NET zero and the coalition agreement. All right, pretty obvious here that the Nats say, get rid of it. Why because we've heard all the arguments against knit zero. The Libs say, we'll probably got to keep it because things like there's going to be taxes that are going to come in from the EU if

you're not a zero country. We need to move to some of the seats of the Labor Party one let alone, of course, the scenario in and around some of these Teal seats. For her part, Jane Hume said something about it. I think on our air today.

after industry. Today we've just had announced that we might lose another smelter in Tasmania, Magnese Magnesi Magnanese smelter down there. So look, how much more can we lose here? That's why I think we deserve at least have this question asked now. In terms of Colagon agreement, I don't know. I don't speak on behalf of the National Party. I certainly don't speak on behalf of the Liberal Party Paul, So I don't know how it's going to work out.

But what I would say is I think the lesson from the election is that we should seek to fight for what we think is best for the country, not what we think is best for our party, and too much of the conversation since the election seems to be centered for me around how do we win seats, how do we win these votes? And well, look, yes, obviously we need to do that to make a difference for our country. But first of all, I think we just decide what we think is in the best interests of

the country and then fight like hell for that. And in my view that will also be more politically successful as well, because you'll be more convincing and arguing from conviction rather than from just a position of convenience.

over something like zero. Surely the Australian people have sent the strongest possible message that the climate wars should be dead and that Australia needs to get on with the important job of attracting investment to roll out the infrastructure needed to ensure that our economy can be net zero in line with the international agreements signed under a coalition government and supported by Labor. Surely the Australian public have

sent that message loudly and clearly. And yet it is the case, as we hear from Matt Canavan today, that the agreement is under threat because of this policy issue. Australians deserve that cleanest energy, and this kind of fighting is not going to do the job of attracting investment to Australia.

up losing before we even have the fight. Because we've lost for our country. We haven't been given it a chance to have a saying. I supposely to just explain to me so slowly, what are we getting out of net zero? What have we got today? We've signed up three years ago and both parties have signed up to it. You've had your bipartisan certainty. What has it delivered for the Australian people. We've had runaway power price increases, runaway inflation.

We've lost our nickel industry, We've lost our plastics industry. We've lost our urea industry, which is the most important furd lots. So we now cannot produce food in Australia for the first time since the early early settlers. We have to import our fertilizers from China in the Middle East lay gas.

I mean, whooped dee do? I mean you've got power prices that have doubled in the last decade, that have doubled, They've gone up by thirty percent, just while labor's been in power the last few years. What the hell is a wind farmer, somebody who can't afford their power bill. What the hell is a solar farm for somebody there has lost their job in an industry. And this is why we should fight these wars, because they actually don't have There is no clothes on this emperor. There is

no clothes on the stets of emperor. It is complete nonsense. It is complete bunkom, and it should be exposed.

before the late debates, so stick with it. It's got something big to talk about in a moment or two times, So make sure we make the most of all sixty minutes that we are on the air and be sitting here until the very last minute, and then stick around for the show after us, and then after that, and after that and after that and after that. Okay, happy for fall asleep with the television on. It all works

for ratings. All right, let's continue in the conversation right now with two people who I'm sure we'll be doing exactly that. If not, you know, it'll be Scotty as Radio by the bed or they'll be catching up tomorrow morning. It's none other than Linda Scott and also Matt Canavan Net. Linda, I want to talk about one of the inevitable flow ons of the past couple of weeks, and it's the

generation gap. Now. I did a lot of talking about this post twenty two where you look at this through sort of marketing talk and basically some of the things that are values, right, So people that are boomers believe passionately in things like matship. Well, matship doesn't even turn up in any of the top ten values of millennials or jen Z. Now at the moment, we know, yes, young people's vote left, but it's a particular change in politics.

That said, I can show you a group of young conservative men who were the absolute antithesis of what we're being told is the future of our country. How important is it for the Labor Party to make sure that you don't just automatically assume the generation gap falls your way, and that you actually stay in touch with people who aren't brand loyal to anything little oone a political part.

live their whole lives on. These kinds of things are so important to young people, and as a result, young people in Australia swung historically progressive in a way that we haven't seen replica hated in other places around the world. So I do think Australia is going to be looked at really closely by other democracies, and how young people voted is different in this election because Labor had a really good proposition and a set of policies. They also

communicated to young people in a way that was different. Obviously, there was a lot of media discussion about the role of influencers and social media in this election, but I certainly know in my loundroom when my teenagers were discussing the election, they were seeing completely different advertising to the advertising that my husband or my parents were seeing, because it was just done in a way that was speaking to young people about the issues that mattered to them,

in the channels that mattered. I was really surprised to see the coalition not matching that they didn't have the kind of social media campaigns and they didn't have the kind of policies to speak to young people, and as a result, we saw seats like Dixon where now as you've identified Paul, a majority of young people, a majority of women swinging historically towards Labor in a way that I think court, if I might add, the liberals quite

off guard. So I do think the role of young people will be one of the defining features that will be analyzed in the wash up of this election. Labor had a good proposition and we spoke to young people about the issues that mattered to them in a.

need to display authenticity to the Australian people. And I think that point is actually one that's maximized among you young voters. They can probably smell bs smaller than any other constituency, or maybe they just have less tolerance for it than others. They're less shaded and cynical as you get older and you get used to everyone lying too. So I just think you've got to be authentic to young people. You can't get away pulling the wool over

the eye. So the idea that somehow if we just adopt climate change policies or also say we'll slash your ex step by twenty percent, we'll match it, We'll go thirty percent. It's just not going to work. I don't think young people are that transactional that will willing willingly need to be brought off. What we've got to do is come up with policies that work for young people and that we believe in, and that we really believe

in our gut, that are going to work. And there's plenty of things that we can do to improve the lives of young people. Obviously that Linda didn't mention is housing, and both part parties did try but obviously didn't meet the mark there. I'd also come back to the view that we've got to be careful here that we don't start padding either the Labor Party or level of national parties on the back the minor party vote was at a record level, and that's also very prevalent among young people.

There's a lot of system about the political process. And if Labor Party takes the lessons from this election that they they're excellent, everything they do is great, fantastic, let them do that, because I don't think that's actually the lesson from the last few elections. People are very cynical in all political parties at the moment.

the biggest political books in several years. It seems to me, Jessica, this debate doesn't end at all, but it is briefly put on pause as a result of today's news.

He kept them next to his car. At the time, he was investigated by the FBI and by the Justice Department, who concluded that no one's going to find him guilty because as an elderly man with a poor memory, and of course that was outrageous at the time to suggest.