From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry Weller, the man k. There is a lot to get to tonight. CLIVEE. Palmer is now in the twenty twenty five election. This is huge news. His preferences, what is the plan for the advertising, all of that. Our team spoke with him earlier today. I'll show you his comments in long form in a moment or two's time. The Prime Minister yet again spinning lies about the economy.
I'll tell you the truth after another set of economic data came out today that nobody really wants to talk about because of course it doesn't fit the narrative that everything is behind us. Wage growth not pretty in Australia and our dear friend Meghan Kelly exclusive the only place you see on Aussie TV is here every Wednesday night.
All right, let's go, Paul Marie, let's do this thing. Disagree, disagree. That's her, that's her personality. She always sounds drunk.
She's an idiot. Who could we be speaking of We we get to it in a moment or two's time. So the biggest story in politics today is that Clive Palmer is getting back into the race. The United Australia Party, which he has led over a couple of elections, will not be the name. Instead, a new name will be coming forward. We'll talk about that in a moment or two's time, but I want to talk about a few things as the trumpet of Patriots is the new name
of the party. Fascinating imagery. Of course he sponsored Tucker Carlson coming out here, very strong message to a bunch of people who do not like the offering that is currently there for the major parties. But which of the major parties will be the recipients of the preferences? This matters because I want to have a look at the performance of the parting United Party or its previous names, but basically the impact of the Clive Palmer teams in
multiple elects. Now the biggest response for Clyde Palmer in terms of a number of people are into the Senate and himself into the Lower House was in twenty and thirteen.
Now these are national numbers. The total number of people who voted in the Lower House for the Parmi United Party or its other names seven hundred and nine twenty thirteen basically didn't exist in twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen four hundred and eighty eight thousand votes in the Lower House and they had their second best performance of all time
at the most recent election. As you can see, the same is there when it comes to the Senate, where even though the number of actual votes in the Lower and the Upper House was lower because it was in smaller population areas, he was able to get multiple people up at that election. Things went a little bit backwards in twenty nineteen as more center right votes went to Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party, hence the quote unquote
miracle victory Welsaw coming. And then when it was bugg of them all, well the number started to creep up over half a million. All of that a huge impact on Australian politics. Now, I can't stand, can't stand when people want to turn around and say, well, this much money for only this many seats. The reality is the
money matters. Also, preferences matter. If you've got anywhere between you know, half a million to seven hundred thousand people in the Lower House voting one for the Trumpet Party, well what are they going to do with the number two? If they decide to go everywhere and then eventually make a decision between Labor and Liberal. The Liberals will not get anywhere close to minority government. Instead, it will end up being a scenario where most likely at the Labor
Party will get returned. It will still be a minority government. But preferences matter. Now. There have been times in the past where Clyp Palmer has made it very clear about how he feels about the major parties. And perhaps the single biggest impact that Clide Palmer will have with his efforts here is the sheer weight of advertising. His ads Let's be honest, are often much better than the major party ads. They are much they hit a lot harder,
a lot more straight shooting, and a lot of people. When, as we're showing you before, there's a frustration with the offering that is around right now, when the ads are as tight and as clearly defined as they have been in the past, well we know what's going to happen here.
But remember, preferences matter. So in twenty nineteen, a lot of the people who backed in the part of the United Party, they gave their preference to Scott Morrison, and I'll be straight up, those preferences and one nation preferences were the reason that Bill Shorden was not the Prime Minister of Australia. This was his position when it came
to preferences. However, in twenty twenty two, by not directing anything towards the Liberal Party or the Labor Party, it meant that people were able to frankly exhaust their votes before they got to the major parties and a chance of the twenty nineteen repeat was not going to happen. Here is what he said in fact to us in twenty twenty two.
We're preferencing all of the Freedom parties and others. There's no preferences at all given to the Liberal, Labor or the Greens.
Now I mentioned that advertising spend now sometimes sixty million, sometimes eighty million, one hundred million dollars. It's his money. He can do what he wants with it. I'm tired of this idea in Australian politics about good billionaires who back in the teals, bad billionaires who want to shake things up and make sure that a certain type of
Australian voter is represented in the ballot. Now you know that I've had an up and down relationship and it is way more positive of recent years than it was in the past with Clyde Palmer, because perhaps our views have now aligned about the future of the country. Now, this is the advertising that was seen everywhere when he was going hard against Bill Shordan and against labor rollin. Takee Bill Shorten doesn't care about you.
He wants to destroy jobs, close coal industry, increase power prices, increase taxes.
Now again that amount of very clear messaging, it moved votes, and it changed the election result from the one that all of the camera people thought was inevitable to the one that we knew was resonating on the ground that Bill Shorten was not going to be the Prime minister.
The effect of those ads is really important. The effect of those preferences, including one nation ones deeply important to this being a tighter contest and one where a liberal party could maybe make its way towards its own version of a minority government. If not, then we are essentially talking about what I believe to be the more likely outcome.
If there is not such a spend and is not such a preference discipline, that most likely Albanezi finds a way to hold on to minority government, not because I want him to, but because that's just the reality of things as we see now. Our team had a chance to Clyde Palmer after his announcement today and there's a few issues here about what he is trying to achieve by putting the machine back together again.
I think the excessive waste that goes on in government, and I'm a taxpayer too, and I'm one of the largest taxpayers in the country, and seeing that Donald Trump's tremendous victory in the United States and the revealing things that Musk has found when he's done the review that the nearly four trillion dollars of government EXPANSI is being wasted every year. Being a former member of Parliament, I
know that's true in Australia too. I had endless lobbyists coming to see me every time I was a member.
Nearly all day my Kalander was made up a lobbyist.
I think it's the same for all of the parties, and the uniparty we have the Liberal and Labor Party just work together and we get the same old thing happening every year. We've got to change this country and we've got to cut back on government expense. We have common sense solution for things.
So about bureaucracy and about what examples he would suggest. He told our team this, well, I.
Think everywhere there's thirty six thousand public servants that Alban EASi has put on. At the same time, our standard living has dropped in each half of each year. So you really have to set priorities with your expenditure and say I can't exceed that expenditure. This is how much money the government should have every year. This is how much money will spend, and they just don't do that.
They keep on spending money to their mates in the unions, the Labor Party in particular, and the Liberals spend money with consultants. So I mean it's not spent on you.
So preferences. Has he made that early decision or are we going to all have to wait? I think we all know what the answer is going to be.
We haven't decided the preferences. And it's a democratic party. The trumpets for patriots, so I think we've got to wait and see. They'll be announced in the coming weeks. We're still deciding here will preference. But one thing I'll tell you, We've just done a poll that will be out next week. Trump's policies are popular in Australia. People want change and they want us to come together and do that, and we'll be doing that. We're looking forward
to a great campaign. It's a chance for me to spend some more money making people have the public debate in Australias means that the Liberal Party can spend ninety million dollars a year, the Labor Party can spend ninety million dollars a year, but so can other people, so that there's a purity of ideas. Australians need a real choice.
I agree be fascinating to see that preference discussion will determine whether Peter Dutton is a chance or no chance at this coming upcoming election. We'll wait, We'll all see and I'll keep talking to Clive. We'll look forward to maybe him and other people joining us around the country as we do our pub tests. Remember the first of those, it is going to be in the razor thin seat of Gilmour on the south coast of New South Wales
on Monday night. After we've celebrated the good people of Bateman's Bay fighting back after the fires and there's so many things to celebrate. We'll do that on Sunday and then we're off to Vegas. Baby. Now let's deal with the Prime minister. This bloke lied his way into office. That's the truth. We all know two hundred and seventy five dollars power that never happened. We also know that a labor government will lo The cost of living was a lie. Why because by any and all metrics, we
know what the reality was. That's their promise. This is the reality since they became the government. Your health costs are up by thirteen percent, your petrol's up by about fifteen percent, food is up by about seventeen percent, housing is up by about eighteen percent, and insurance is on its way towards nineteen percent. Not to mention how much people have had to pay extra on top of the
home loans you've had to pay anywhere. If you were at say four hundred thousand, it's fourteen nine hundred and forty dollars extra a year that you've been paying since this bloke became the Prime minister. Or if you've got one point two or more, it's forty four thousand, eight hundred dollars. Yet the same people who lied that the cost of living was going to get better under them are now lying that Apparently everything will get worse under
Peter Dunton. Talk about projection. That's lie number one. Line number two revolves around the Prime Minister, and of course the man who will desperately love to lead the Labor Party sooner rather than later, he will have his champions to do so after the next election, should the minority government be the one that is put in place, And then, of course is I'll make grim Jim charmers well. Line number two. They have tried to tell you that the economy is growing, all is fine, nothing to see here.
The word recession, it just is, is nowhere in the books.
Inflation is down, wages are up, unemployment is low, and one point one million jobs have been created during the course of this alban Ezi labor government.
But the reality of Australia's growth is that, at best you could describe it as a car that's out of tune, idling at the lights and slightly moving forward. As you can see from September in twenty two to September quarter in twenty four, the past four quarters zero point two percent growth, zero point two percent growth, zero point two percent growth, zero point three percent growth. Remember, as soon as it's under zero for two quarters in a row
than we are in recession. So we are only just and I mean just out of one and principally that's because of state and federal government spending. The employment of a football stadium full of staffers and people working in and around the public service is the reason why we are not in recession. But of course the reality is that the average Australium is in a recession. Have a look at this graph. This is actually a symbol of just how far growth has fallen off since when they
took office. Worse and worse and worse until basically it is, as I said, the car that's out of tune, that is idling. That's the reality. So when they talk about economic growth, they are talking about bugger all of it. And that of course means that while the government is technically keeping its head above water, we borrowed money and all the rest of it, the average Australian is going backwards.
Why because the cost of everything see what I mentioned about thirty seconds ago versus the wages that you have, let alone the pay rises you are not getting means you are going backwards. You are in a per capital recession that's gone on for about two years now. Today the Bureau of Statistics told us that we are the lowest wage growth since twenty twenty two. That's the reality of what is happening right now, the longest per capita recession on record. The national economic figure is not a
pretty picture. But that doesn't mean that Albo and charmers won't continue trying to tell you that everything is awesome when you know what the reality actually is, which brings us to economic lie number three. They love pretending that everyone's got a pay rise in the past three years. What's the word they say, over and over again.
Wages, wages, wages, wages, pages, wages, wages, wages.
Yeah, well guess what with the wages scenario being one where as I said, we have had as little growth as since twenty twenty two, we're in a world of trouble here. This is just the reality now, sure the public service gets pay rise and living standards back to the nineteen fifties. A detailed look at what the Reserve Bank actually had to say while they made the decision
to cut rates by four fifths of bug rule. Yesterday in the Australian newspaper said, calculating the real household disposable income per capita was around one percent lower than prior to the pandemic, So we're back before before all of the savings that happened in the pandemic. The RBA said recent years had been among the weakest periods in growth in real income since the nine in sixties, as families budgets were slugged with high rate hikes and a surge
in income tax. So they lie, they lie, they lie, Oh, we're not in a recession. Well you are. But the government gets to say that just puttering along because in part they hire tens of thousands of people, and they gave those people endless pay rises, not to mention themselves as politicians, where they gave themselves three pay rises. The public servants got their biggest pay rise in a decade. You go backwards. Lie, lie, lie. We'll keep talking about
it between now and the election. So speaking of latest poll, and I think this one's probably a little closer to reality and important to set expectations here where we know that there has been much speculation there's a minority government that's almost definitely on its way, whom will have the most number of seats to form that minority. Well, according
to some it may well be a toss up. We know that recent polling had very strong suggestions that Peter Dunn's team could get seventy three seats in the Parliament, Labour could be pushed down to sixty six. Well, today new poll. I want to get to which is the freshwater pole. This one is in the Financial Review and I think this one might be slightly more realistic in terms of where we sit before the election is called. Of course, anything can change, nothing is inevitable in all directions.
Fifty one forty nine in terms of the primary vote. Finally, the Liberal and National Party has a four in front of it that should traditionally be able to win an election. But that big number of fifteen is basically with the exception of the Parmer effort, which we will see in the next of the While and One Nation. Basically the rest of that is center left vote center left vote, particularly with local independence that are backed in or by
the Teel money. As for the preferred prime minister bang on forty three percent each, look at the prime minister's precipitous fall since becoming the prime minister. Look at the gains that Peter Dutton has made but also look thirteen percent of people who still haven't made their mind up. Now, as always I say, look at that number, split it in half. Well what ends up happening then? Obviously it's
not going to split fifty to fifty. It'll break in one way or the other towards the election and that will give us an indication of where we are going. But again, Albo and how much of a pong he gives the Australian people have look at that from whence he became the Prime Minister to where he sits today with more people disapproving of his job performance than approving of his performance. So what is the seat prediction? On Sunday?
We were looking about seventy three seats as the best case scenario when it came to the Liberal National Party, and I told you that that seemed a little generous. So the suggestion now is that it will be Labor on seventy one seats. They will have more seats than the coalition at sixty seven now ten seats, massive massive change puts in a very competitive position potentially for three
years down the train. And at seventy one seats, you would imagine that we're going to get something of a replica of the twenty ten election that we know was a massive thumping for Labor just three years later. But pay attention watch on here. Obviously Labor would be able to, in my view, get the five crossbenches mixture of left wing teals and I think the Victorian teals in particular, we're back in labor. I think that people like Helen
Haynes will back in labor. And then of course there is a scenario of people like Rebecca Shark you who have always said whoever has the most number of seats gets the negotiation first. So yes, even more polling, even more data, even more indication that yes we're headed towards a minority, but whom we don't know. But we're going to have to play whack a mole with the lies and the misrepresentations in the media will put up between
now and that all important election. Hence why the advertising of people like Clyde Palmer really matters because it comes up and over the top awful star already in Tasmania today with one hundred and fifty whales that have become stranded on a beach in Tasmania. This is what we understand as to why and what happened.
One hundred and fifty seven of what appear to be false killer whales are stuck on the sand near Arthur River in the state's northwest. It's believed one hundred and thirty six of them are still alive as authorities race to save for the others.
Poor buggers to the people that are trying to keep as many of them alive as possible. They're doing their work throughout the night, but sadly it does not look good for their future. But why did it happen?
Unable to navigate? There might be some geographical thing that stopped them then run them aground the studden maybe deep to shallow. There could also be a sick individual which has led ashore the others and they've all gone, oh, we're going this way. And then while are they strand acoustic awareness or acoustic sounds that might have spooked the animals. There could be killer whales in the area and maybe
they've gone, oh, let's get out of here. I don't know, or maybe there's so many different things.
Moreri IFO about that is light to returns tomorrow. Pete Stefanovik with First edition here on Sky News. Now let's talk about bushfires. Now, I know that there have been some in multiple regions around the country. Compared to the worst predictions that were put up for this summer, we have not got anywhere near those fingers crossed. That remains
the case for the rest of this summer. But obviously, as things like the US California fires, even when you get into cold weather, those winds are around, it's going to be trouble. But guess what. A former CSIO Forestry chief agrees with the common sense view that you actually have to do more control burning. You have to do more cleaning of the forests to make sure that if a fire starts that it will not turn into a rager.
Writing in the latest edition of The Weekly Times, this doctor said that fuel reduction burning was an essential tool in bush fire management. Burning a mild intensity increases the opportunity for safe for a more successful firefight. When bush fires occur in fuel reduced areas, they are reduced in severity, generate less embers and release less emissions of smoke and carbon. So even a bloke who was around the CSAR agrees with the common sense here and that it is essential
the land management practice in Victoria's fire prone environment. We need more mild fire in the landscape, not less. And today the first interview was done with Sean Hannity with the President of the United States, Donald Trump, and he's very energetic offsider in Elon Musk. This is a fascinating conversation because you were able to watch the body language and clearly they're very friendly, right, So forget all that garbage that you know one is secretly jealous of the other,
or one's trying to take power off the other. That's just rubbish, right. They look like two blokes who were very happy to be in each other's company. Now, there were a couple of moments from this that I wanted to show you though, which was Elon Musk talking about the concept of accountability that one of the things that he is able to do, who is to make sure that when Trump tells the government to do something, they actually do it.
What we're doing here is one of the biggest functions of the Doors team is just making sure that the presidential executive orders are actually carried out. And this is I just want to plant this is a very important thing because the president is the elected representative of the people.
So it's representing the will of the people. And if the bureaucracy is fighting the will of the people and preventing the present the president from implementing what the people want, then what we live in is a bureaucracy and not a democracy.
One hundred percent absolutely important, I mean how often and they make this point right. So in Washington, d C. Where most of the bureaucrats for the federal government are or in the adjoining areas, ninety three percent of them
would have voted for Harris not Trump. Therefore, if they could go slow, if they could challenge, if they could ignore, if they could wait it out, which is pretty much what I were able to do in the first four years, well then they would be able to deny Trump the ability to actually do what people elected him to do. But one of the good things about what Musk is
trying to do is that he's following the hammer. And obviously Congress at some point in time has to step in and turn many of the executive orders into the actual law of the land and see how many Democrats would be willing to it. One day vote against some of these things all part of the strategy of the midterm elections in a couple of years time, and of course the presidential the best part of four years away. Mask also talks about the Trump derangement syndrome that he saw with his own eyes.
They call it like Trump duration syndrome. And you don't realize how real this is until like it's you count reason with people. So like I was at a friend's birthday party and aligis birthday dinner and it was like a nice quiet dinner and everything was everyone was behaving normally, and they happened to mention, this is before the election, like a month or two before, appen to mention the president's name, and it was like they got shot with a dirt and the juggular that contained like the metha,
fhatamine and rabies. Okay, wow, I'm like, what is Guys like you can't have like a normal conversation and it's like it's like that to become completely irrational.
And also about the types of things that he is finding. Wouldn't it be amazing if somebody was willing to be able to put the writer road through the Austradinian system and find things like these.
They signed a contract and a government agency and it has three months and the guy leaves that signed the contract and nobody else is there and they paid the contract for ten years. Yeah, so the guy is getting checks for years and years and years, and he's telling his family. Obviously maybe it was crooked, maybe paid to get the contract, or may be paid that they didn't
terminate it. But you know, we have contracts that go forever, and they've been going for years, and they're supposed to end in three months or five months or two years or something, and they go forever.
So the guy is.
Either crooked, you know where he knew this was going to happen, or he's crooked because he's getting payments and he knows he shouldn't be getting it.
Fascinating stuff. By the way. Bit of breaking news, which is just dropped on the Sydney Morning Herald's website is that Chinese naval ships have been spotted one hundred and fifty nautical miles from Sydney. Now they are apparently steadily moving their way down the East coast, and they had been doing so for the past couple of days. Why are we learning about this via the media. Why is the federal government not calling our attention to this. Oh,
that's right. China wouldn't want to upset them, would you. Defense have revealed that the Chinese flotilla was spotted off the north coast of Queensland and there was an Australian military plane that apparently knew about this last week. There's also a scenario here where the Australian military plane was involved in a dangerous incident apparently with the Chinese People's Liberation Army in the South China Sea at the same time.
So let's see what happens here. There's going to be plenty more news on that by the time we reconvene tomorrow night. But that's the reporting over on the Channel line websites tonight. Now let's get to the let's get to the pub test. We're on Monday. If you would like to join us in the seat of Gilmore in Bateman's Bay four politics on the Telly Politics Paul Murray style, send me an email pop test at skyonies dot com. A. If you've got a question for the candidates, that would
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Thank you so much for watching in the man cave yet again has the voice recovered? He's just here to help, of course labor who is bootstraps more than the great Stephen Conroy, the carry out a chair, bronwin Bishop, and we've got a big chunk of time to go at it tonight. Hello to both of you. All right, So Palmer's back in the game now. As I explained, look what sets he wins. Good luck to him. But preferences matter.
Preference discipline from the right helped Morrison win, in fact got Morrison to win in twenty nineteen when the preferences were not flowing in twenty two well, the result went the way that it did, and also the weight of the advertising. I mean you remember the Blitzkreig that was coming against Bill Shorten helped Morrison in nineteen they barg of them all message, well, help do the me in in twenty two so Bromwell Palmer, Yeah.
Well he's a force to be reckoned with. He really is, and people who underestimate him are foolish. Yes, so I agree with all the analysis that you've done with but there are two other things I'd add. He's already come out and said there only two sexes. And the most successful ad that the Republicans ran the one that says there about they and them, where about you?
Yeah, that was great.
It was a very powerful ad, and the liberal parties the data hasn't gone there. The second thing is that his determination on waste is also resonates with people, and the other one that resonates, of course is immigration. So he's got a lot to play with and he won't be playing soft, he won't be pulling back, He'll be full on.
Well, so.
It's going to affect, in my view, the way that the Coalition is going to have to couch its policies.
Well.
And also Steve and I mean look in the conversation that our team had with him today, what he said publicly today. Look, he might be on a journey towards that greater preference discipline of twenty nineteen because a lot of the issues that he's having a crack at obviously are anti where the government is. However, part of the Trump of it all is bugger them all. So whether he repeats the same preference situation in twenty two, which was, look, you only need six numbers, so we're going to list
basically US plus five. But what's your thought of this and what's your caution to labor people going who cares?
No?
No, you shouldn't say who cares? I mean, he's a proven electoral force. In twenty nineteen, he destroyed Bill Shortened with his advertising campaign. He wasn't that successful in terms of his electoral wins, just like in twenty two, but he destroyed Shorten with that campaign. But I think Brombin's points were spot on. The differences with what Trump's been successful in doing in the US are that on the sort of trans issues in particular them argument that you
just highlighted. The Liberals are closer to Labor on it than they are to Trump slash Parma. So it's going to be very hard to say vote for Dutton because he'll be better on this, because they're about the same, just like Labor on refugees. To take Robin's other points, Labor has had to tack to the center and essentially still keeping place most of what Scott Morrison and Tony Abbott did.
No, that's not true.
Well, it's only two of the three leaks, still not insignificant. The tripod.
Coming in and landing, so at the moment you might not like it, but the boats haven't really on mass And I lived when the boats came on MATS.
I was in cabinet.
This was a disastrous that's not quite so I'm not saying no boats have turned up and be saying in the public consciousness that migration issue is not as potent because Labour's tactles deliberals trans issues.
It's becoming libered tractor.
With regard to the anti semitism, No, it's making it more.
I am with you. One hundred percent of the anti semitism issue is Chris Men's. We talked about it Ryan Parks last week playing blinders. Sometimes the FEDS are a little clunkier in terms of their respond.
They're not just clunky there so damn weak, But.
I don't think it's broken the dam to become a full on migration stylish. I accept there's a good argument taking place about what's the role of multiculturalism.
If something doesn't happen happening, if something doesn't happen soon. With charges being brought against those two nurses, it is going to really heat up.
Why are they not charged?
And by the way, whatever happened to the person who stabbed the Christian bishop in the eye?
Well, has he been charged?
I don't know. I remember roughly at the time that I believe charges were. But I'll go and double check for you gladly and get back to you next time. But that's it. Can I talk about again the way the media kind of treats good billionaire bad billionaire, right, Like I just, I just it is so naked, right,
which is that you know, taxpayer and lefty media. You know, if you want to give money to a teal, good billionaire, right, if you want to go and are as it is bad billionaire about the advertising to try to stand up and try to challenge the system. But also can we also tell the truth here too, which is all of that song and dance about the system changing. All of that doesn't apply to this election. That applies to the next elections. All that theater of the Teals blowing up
at the government was garbage. So perhaps also the reality with Palming here too is that he knows the laws have changed, so this is the last chance to do what he has done in the past. Those changes, Steven, are worth talking.
No, absolutely, I mean I couldn't agree with you more that the Teals theater last week. It doesn't come into four so settle down. But more importantly, both parties want to make sure that neither of the billionaires involved in this game can absolutely dominate an election in the way Parimat did in nineteen and so both parties have an interest in making sure that the billionaires can't buy elections.
Is a good position for both parties to take, and I commend Dutton and the Liberal Party for showing leadership and going no, we're not interested in anyone being able to buy.
We'll all do the hard work.
Where you and I will probably disagree, Paul, as we usually do, are funding. But this is a better place to be than a Teal billionaire or a Partmer billionaire buying election.
But also where I do blob. Sorry Broum, we're not jumping in a second, and then plus jump to where you want to go where I am on this right. The thing I hate about these electoral reforms as well is that unions are independent. Unions are literally in the constitution of the Labor Party, literally fifty percent every MP must be a member. They control votes, they decide who is in the ministry or not on it. But they're
completely independent. So basically every party gets out spent ten to one if the individual individual unions decide to line up against them. That's a nice little quirk of the brain.
Absolutely, and there have been attempts to fight it. In fact, there was a high court decision when someone took took a case and I'm successful. So I've often wondered why the Liberal Party doesn't form a union and it can then have all the money funnel through there, just like the Labor Party does.
They can start with the super Innuation Fund.
That was done to give money to the Labor Party membership.
It's just never happened.
I remember Andrew Robb, the National Farmers Federation, made an article in the bulletin in nineteen ninety eight, after all these rules of passes. I'm looking forward to seeing the disclosures after the nineteen ninety eight election to see how much money these super funds have given to labor and you announce what none never happen.
I've been through. I've been through a few of the trust trusts that.
Run those super fund we're talking about it, and you will find the directors the money is paid director union.
To be the third party, to be the third party hammer for the Labor Party.
But isis the weakness in your argument is that unions have been donating to more than the Labor Party for many years. Okay, they've given money to the Greens, They've given the ETU. This is my point for meus a whole bunch of unions have given money to the Greens. Some have given it to Brian Harrodine over.
The years, the vast majority of it and on those super funds, the money for the directors has paid straight to the union and it's in their account.
So let me explain to you what happens if the union official takes the annual fee. Everyone attacks the UNI officials are getting double dipping. So they go, okay, we won't take the money, just give it to the union. Everyone attack them secretly funneling money into the Who.
Actually takes the money is Wayne Swan, of.
Course independent chair and he does a lot of work the president of the party President.
And when when the former head Peter Collins share former former.
Leader party, the.
Parliamentary leader party he was chairing, I guess what, he took the money as well, and.
A thousand dollars and he gets to pay.
Can we talk about Wayala because not only are we in a scenario where the South Australian governor has now forced it into administration, but something's going to happen tomorrow because both the Premier and the Prime Minister are going to Whaler. Now we did an outtown from Wayala, so I know how important it literally is to the town and we don't want those jobs to disappear. But Bromman, what does this little moment in time tell you?
Well, first of all, well if you look at Wyaler and what's happened, it is the icon of everything is wrong with green policies. Everything has gone wrong for a whiler from the moment they blew up the coal fired power station to now being thieves in the night taking electricity from Victoria nor state cut it off?
What should just get up there? And the extension.
Cost absolutely Then you think you've got sixty three million dollars being played by mister Bowen out of some off budget entergy over here, which allows them to have a.
Surplus of course.
Tomorrow as well.
From what I read, and it seems to me that we're going to have a nationalization policy on the sly, Well, this is the so.
I mean, what we've seen as opposed to nuclear reactors nationalization policy. But is that what we're going to see. We're going to is the sense here that we're not just going to have government support, We're going to have some form of government ownership of this.
I think there is enough private sector interest that it will ultimately end up in private hands. I think the government are going through a transition to get it from Gupta to like bluescoping in the papers today saying well on the economics of it, we would look at it the government putting five hundred million. I've never had a private company turned down five hundred mil. But there are other suitors I think that want those assets.
With your agree to disagree with.
It's green energy style, still or it's more blue scope.
They have to stick in gas and then they're already saying that they were.
It will be gas until if green hydrogen turns up, So it's going to be run on gas and no one we're good on Malanowskas for taking just like your government here in New South Wales, min said, I'm not care about the ideology. We're keeping the power going. We're going to play to get some of these coal fire pire stations going, unlikely your party which is closing them down under.
You mean, mister, it's now deserted and going to you.
It's still can't carrying to you e spelling. Bromwin did the motion up on your Advent Committee?
All right, So look it'll be fascinating to what happens there tomorrow. But also I just want to I've got a about a minute here Douglas Murray at the Art conference in the UK. Go and find the full speech. It was amazing. He's part of it.
The idea that in order to welcome people into our societies, we effectively have to pretend that we are uninteresting places, unimportant places, until migration makes us interesting.
Bromwin, how did it inspire you?
Well, it was a fabulous speech, and that it was a call to say be proud of our background. He is called for reconstruction of the West narrative in the West admiration for its own history. I think it's time for a second renaissance that enlightened, that followed the Enlightenment followed, and I think his words and the way he phrased it is an inspiration to be followed.
I make sure a pas it up on our socials. Otherwise you can see versions of it at skyiwes dot com dot au. Lad lady, thank you very much. We'll talk again shortly. Meghan Kelly from the United States. She is in fine form. Next, it's our favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite person in the world,
the one and only and wonderful Meghan Kelly. There is so much happening as always, but I want to go back a couple of days so we can deal with the German politicians who were literally crying after Vice President JD. Vance gave them a speech telling them to pick up their game.
Let me conclude, and this becomes difficult.
It's amazing.
I wish so much i'd been in the audience as a member of the press, where I could have just said, excuse me, sir, sir on behalf of the world, where are your balls asking? At least for America, but I think my friends in Australia too. Yeah, we're just wondering where they are. It's perfect, It's really actually kind of perfect when you think about what's happened in Germany, which is really one of the main perpetrators of the terrible crackdown on free speech. England has given them a good
run for their money. France is not so great either, but I mean Germany I think is the worst. And that's saying something in Europe where yeah, they used to be known as like these hardcore authoritarian people, and now it's if you insult a politician, you can be arrested an insult, forget quote hate speech, which I mean, one of the things I love about America is you can hate speech is fine, it's totally constitutional, it's legal. You
can't arrest somebody for hate speech. You then speak louder and persuade people that if that other person is wrong. That's really one of the fundamental bedrocks of our country. But in Germany you can get arrested, not only for so called hate speech, but for insulting someone. And they justified that in this long sixty minutes piece where they were saying, oh yeah, I mean especially on the Internet,
because that lives forever. Oh, Paul, you mean someone can say something hurtful about you on the Internet and people could find it at any point in time, like in the future, when you've moved on past the contract, what would you grow a pair like? Of course they're crying over Elon and his tough talk. Of course, that's what they're doing when they read insults about themselves online. That's
what they're doing. When they used to read Compact Magazine, which they closed because it was too in support of the party that wants to crack down on the border issue. They just it's like the kid who covers his ears and he's like, I can't hear it, I can't hear it, and it's like, no, you will hear me. No more ice cream. So the tears are the perfect metaphor for what's happening in that country.
Now we're birth of an era where the oscars used to mean something because it was sort of one of those big showbies events and the Saturn Law fifty year reunion was sort of the closest thing to an award show. But then, rather than just celebrating a take VI show that you may have locked, or loved or not really cared about for much of the past fifty years, they decided to very overtly do a screen you to half
the country. Tom Hanks was involved in a skit where you just mocked Megaviters, and I couldn't help but think why.
You know what it reminded me of. I used to do a lot of stories on domestic violence, and I got to know a lot about how it works, and it reminded me of an abuser who goes back to a woman and puts on the mask. I'm charming, I'm totally loving, I will never hurt you. You can trust me.
I get you.
We're together, we're a partnership. But then as soon as the woman does something that could be anything to set them off, the veil comes down and you realize this has been someone pretending. This is this whole thing that's been wooing me in has been an act, And oh my god, I was almost fooled, you know, thank god, I saw the moment of reality. That's what that thing was to me because Saturday Night Live hates conservatives. NBC
hates conservatives. They've been doing programming that is anti conservative, anti Trump, pro leftist causes in the open now for twelve years and beyond, I mean, I haven't really watched it with a political eye longer than that. And that on Sunday Night, they tried to reel us in by just doing regular comedy that could appeal to anybody, like, see, we're so fun. We've got all these big stars, so we're towing the line and we're going to make everybody love us and you can trust us. We're not going
to be too political. We're going to be the kind of product that everyone can consume. And then the veil slipped, and it slipped because that's who they really are, and no one there thought there'd be a problem with that skit with Tom Hanks. No one said, oh God, is this beyond like should we not? Because it's all the
same left wing echo chambers. So they decided to take one of the most beloved, most popular American actors ever, Tom Hanks, and put him in a Trump Maga hat and put him down at the end on what they called Black Jeopardy which is kind of like a joke that black people don't watch normal Jeopardy, and so it's
kind of like white Jeopardy. And he comes on Black Jeopardy and the black host comes over to shake his hand, and he recoils at the thought of touching a black man and doesn't want to shake the hand and only does it when he's forced to by the very gracious black host.
Well, thank you, hey.
Now speaking to church, can I say something.
If more folks weren't to church, we wouldn't be in this mess we're in now.
You know what, I agree with what you doug. I'd like to shake your hand, sir. Here we go. No, no, no, wrong that it's just a handshake. You welcome to Black Jepardy anytime.
Thank you.
The veil was down, and we saw what they really think of all of us, not just MAGA but anybody on the right. They think you're a racist, they think you're all the ists for all sorts of psychological reasons
that we've gone into and don't need to hear. But there was that piece of it, and then there was how deeply offensive it was for Tom Hanks in particular to participate in this skit Tom Hanks, who started off on this stupid show called Bosom Buddies, which I mean maybe it was ahead of its time because it was about two men who dressed as women in order to
get the living arrangements they wanted. So it was guys dressed, you know, and sort of a drag and he was hilarious and he was in nobody and it was a stupid show that made us fall in love with him because he was so funny and bumbling, and then parlay that new a film career with great films like Sleepless in Seattle where he was a romantic lead, and Big where he was a kid in an adult's body, and Philadelphia where he was a big time lawyer suffering from
HIV aids, like all these amazing Forrest Gump, which was seen around the world and everyone said the same thing, I love Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks, and in thanks to a nation to it of audiences that included those guys who look like that with the T shirt without the sleeves that are maybe a little rough around the edges, who aren't as quaffed as he is, with the perfect three quarter zip you know, sweater with their maga hat On and yeah, Tom Hanks, their southern rural accent.
You absolute effing snob went to your movies and made you a billionaire, and your thanks to them is to mock and belittle them. In the two minutes you had to portray what they might be like. Shame on you.
Now, did you say the stuff of Kamala Harris? She's just wandering around styge. I think a broad wide plog. Let's be honest. I was respectful when she was the vice president is but now she's just a free agent. She was pieced, she was drunk because I know she's, you know, not the brightest bulb, but she was offered when she's talking to people.
And it doesn't mean we don't see the beauty and everything, right, these things all coexist. But I believe we fight for something, not against it.
And that's where.
You all right, let's go, Paul Marie, Let's do this thing. Disagree, disagree. That's her, that's her personality. She always sounds drunk.
She's an idiot.
That's the way she talks.
She says absolutely nothing.
She tries to make it so really phoned. She's scaring a weary waves hoking. She sounds drunk a lot. She says, just reality and duality and just like something hates a vacuum.
Take care.
That's who she is. So no, I don't think any alcohol is involved. I think it's her and I.
Love to disagreeing with her.
I can't.
She always turned me around. Ulmays winds, Damn, how amazing she is making Cayley the only place you'll say here of Scottish Polmrie live on Wednesday nights. That's a show for the night. Say tomorrow.