Paul Murray Live | 19 August

honeymoon is way behind. And where now in a scenario where for many Australians they want the Labor Party and the Prime Minister to sleep on the couch, that doesn't mean that they don't give up the fight and question time. It doesn't mean that they don't have a media that, generally speaking, will try to amplify their message all day every day and make everything about Peter Dutton. To that

in a second. But as you've heard the polls, yet another one tells us that if there was an election this weekend, the Liberal Party would win at fifty one forty nine. Of course, the big asterisk there is well that might be the national result and unless those teal seats move well, it would be most likely a minority government. But at forty nine versus fifty one percent and a primary vote at just thirty two percent, the minority government would not just be a couple of seats, it'd be

half a dozen or maybe more. Now for the Liberal Party, the reason they're at fifty one is because their primary vote is now in the forties. At any other normal election, that would be the beginnings of a potential victory. But again the asterisk is always the teals. I say that because I don't want to get your expectations up. And two we all know there are plenty of people that will run off the umpire misinformation. Misinformation but still really important.

But then there's this question. It's the same result but a different pole. It is an extreme majority of Australians who believe we are headed in the wrong direction. This one comes out via Freshwater and the Financial Review. But as you can see there, the number of Australians think we're headed in the wrong direction is now close to sixty percent. The number of those who believe that we are in the right direction, well, it is in the thirties.

There the number that remain unsure well it's a small enough number, but it's not enough that if it all went to the right side of things, it would start to level out. Australians know this country is in the wrong place, and it is there because of the current government, because they told us a lie about power bills, because they told us a lie about cost of living, and

so much more. Well, we've got more news that reinforces the pole numbers and again they most likely will make them worse if not stay in the position where labor is losing. Right now, today, major energy retailers came forward to tell us about the number of people who are struggling to pay their power bills. In literally a football stadium of people are now stayed in the four behind and are reaching out to them to say I can't pay.

Two of Australia's large power companies have revealed the combined number of customers in their hardship program i e. They're paying back cents on the dollar has stored by thirty five thousand, or up by forty percent in the past year. Origins disclosed that their number is now ninety seven thousand. That's up from seventy one thousand a year ago. Thirty seven percent increase. Meanwhile, AGL has reported that the number on theirs has gone up by the best part of

eight and a half thousand. That's nearly twenty seven and a half thousand people whose power bills come from AGL that are currently in a scenario where they are paying back cents in the dollar. They are not paying back the full bill each and every month, each and every quarter, depending on how it is actually calculated. Combine the two retailers have got one hundred and twenty five thousand customers in hardship. That was ninety thousand this time last year.

Now remember we were told last year that was as bad as it gets. Well, of course it has got worse. The python that is cost of living has only ever got tied, and the number of people who are in trouble is ever growing. Another example is the number of people that having difficulties paying back their mortgages. Keep being told that politically the thirteenth rate rise will be the

killer for the Abanezy government. I would suggest, as we have said all the way through, maybe the twelfth, the eleventh, the tenth, the ninth, or the eighth may well have also been just as damning the government's in trouble. It's in trouble in issues of its own making, and most importantly, it is in trouble after failing to deliver on its promises of everything gets better, when the reality is if you are paying off a house or just living in

one that needs power, everything is getting worse. Now. Specifically, another thing worth pointing out in all of these poles are the issues, because the issues are horrible for the government. They are way behind on cost of living, they are way behind on taxation, they are way behind on all of the key issues that we know people care about. But the one that supposedly was absolutely a third rail an electric fence, which was going to do in the opposition, is all matters to do with who comes to the

country and the manner in which they come. Well, this pile, which was asking the question when the press gallery was going nuts, it shows the Liberal Party forty one percent of people saying that they're the best ones to handle it. Immigration twenty four percent. Now, of course they'll tell us this is just a hangover of clueless Clare O'Neil, who's now going on to stuff up the housing portfolio, or the idiot Andrew Giles, But of course, it's not just

the people. It's the policies, it's the ideas, it's the number of people that have been brought into the country while all of those other problems are taking place where the rental cues are around the corner, and if you call Triple O, you may or may not get an ambulance because they may be stuck at a hospital. Because every single state government, all of which bar one are Labor, have been running record ran but of course to talk

about this, this oh so horribly racist. Now I cannot believe that the Labor Party decided to keep going on the issues of last week in and around whom is going to be able to come to the country from what is happening in the Middle East right now? Now? The Liberal Party, they had question after question after question them more than happy to talk about this for another week because while the press galery think this is political death, we all know it's not. By almost a margin of two to.

they're not. And you can't tell people that the other guys are strange or weird when it's your government that promised so much but has delivered the exact opposite that said. They try On.

that public. Now, of course, any tweet coming out on election day is hardly going to move people, especially when about a third of the country votes early. But who even remembers that's a super deep cut for the backbench, a super deep cut for the media, And of course we know there are plenty in the media who want to pretend that somehow Peter Duddon crossed the line that cannot be crossed and will take Australa into the deepest and darkest parts of our history. You know, the lady

who says that we are a racist country. The lady who of course believes that apparently we're going to be turning on people who don't look like her when it comes to auctions. Still waiting for any proof of that. But of course she'll never have to apologize any bringing up of this as unhelpful as she said for her or the ABC. Well, she writes an opinion piece that appears in the Financial Review is also replicated on the ABC's website. Peter Dutton's called to ban refugees from Gaza

has proved too much for some MPs. Now there are some studies that tell us that only about a third of people actually click on the articles or actually read beyond the headline. The MPs are not MPs of the coalition, So the suggestion is that somehow people are nervous inside the coalition. They're not because they know when it comes to votes. How this has played out and has played

out for more than a quarter of a century. And while yes there will be days when some people, if they go too far, I'll call them out on the principle of what's being discussed here, the Liberal Party has been able to quite correctly pull this into a question of vetting. But back to the media coverage, and then there was this very subtle illustration in the Chanlin newspapers today, of course, that Peter Dutton is the man who's throwing petrol on the fire. The fire, presumably is some sort

of latent racism that exists in all of us. Because of course Stralian's are racist because they've voted sixty forty hell no to a change in the constitution. They are racist because they want to say in what type of refugees come to the country. These, of course are the types of people who are not willing to give up their tennis courts to help fix the housing solution, or of course to be able to house a refugee in their spare bedrooms. No interest in that the Dutton chipping point.

Will we allow the next election to be all about race? The next election will not be all about race. This, of course is written by a bloke who wrote a book about Scott Morrison and Woolf's Scary and of course worked for rad and Gillard. But the reality is that what I just pointed out before are the things that this election will be fought over. Things like the cost of living, things like interest rates, things like the managing

of finances. Yes, for some they will want to have a position where we should remove all references to any sort of person double checking people at the borders. But those people already evote Greens. They are not up for grabs anyway. Let's get into the fear mongering, because of course, when all else files, when the government's on its back foots, when they're turning around saying there's something odd about you. Oh oh, he's like Tim Waltz. It's like we're all

in America. The coalition has little in the way of serious policy, and so brick bray brick, we are watching the campaign built out of one out of little more than divisive statements. Because of course, unless you fully support everything this government is doing, then you are divisive. If you want to stand up for the country that you didn't realize was being changed yesterday and you say no, no,

let's keep some of the status quo. Cultural the common denominator of which in this politics of race, because of course, if you talk about immigration and how many people should come into the country when there aren't enough places for people to rent, or there aren't enough ambulances for people

to call racist. Nuclear energy is the obvious exception, but the very weakness of that policy proves the point what point that you're trying to pretend that again, your view of the average Australian, just like lefty Laura Tingle, is that somehow inside each and every Australian, regardless of whether they were born here, came here or anything else, or there's some sort of little racist monster desperately waiting to

be fed after midnight like a gremlin. Of course, the issue, and the reason why the issue works politically is because it is a conversation about vetting. Now again, last week, I copped it and I won't double down on it for the next ten days in a row. You saw

what I had to say last week. But they have changed the conversation from what was happening last week into the one that is much safer ground, which is that Australia believes that we should be able to decid who comes to the country and the manner in which they come. This was clear since the two thousand and one federal election. And while lefties believe that there is a revolution every time they get elected and every time they don't, somehow

they were cheated out of it by the means. The fundamentals are that whether you were born here or whether you came here. You want to make sure that the people who join us here in the greatest country in the world are the right type of people who are just as committed to this country as anyone who's been here for months, years, or generations. That's why the Liberal Party is excited that they get another week in Parliament

to drive this one home. And as much as the Gillard leftovers in the gallery or the lefties who desperately want this to be the issue of latent racism yet again on display, the reality is that the Libs have gone, how good is this we get another week of this issue. Prime Minister was also tricky in saying the screening processes his government uses are the same as the Coalition used. When that turns out to be completely untrue.

in question time today. A week prime minister is one who's not able to stand up for the values of the country or even explain the process that is currently being used, or promise that that process will have the highest standards possible, which again means the opposition is more than happy to do this for yet another week. I've got a failing that the PM won't turn up. He'll stay in his office watching on the television because he's gutless. He won't come in here and defend himself.

all flow their way. And unless the Liberal Party, because everyone is essentially running against them, wins on primary votes. And that ain't happening in many seats for any major political party, because, mark my words, one of the great narratives that you'll hear about between now and the next election is a thing called double haters, the people who

hate all forms of major party politics. Now, of course, all of this is a way of trying to say, well, the blue team's as bad as the Red team, regardless of the fact that the Red team promised a world that would be better, yet it all got worse. This will, of course be yet another narrative attempt from those of the media who told us that this was an election winning budget. But if that was the case, could somebody please tell me why the Poles keep saying that the

government is behind, way behind on things like inflation. Oh, they've decided to come up with a three hundred dollar credit, meaning that every mansion or every one bedroom house in the country will all get the same power bild relief of twenty five dollars a week. Yet why isn't everyone more excited? Why isn't the average Australian cheering because they got fifteen dollars a week if you're earning about forty

five thousand dollars in tax cuts now. Of course, just like so many other policies, it's billions of dollars of taxpayers money. So they can have a slogan to go to an election desperately hoping that the Australian media will be as weak as the American media and as long

as you call the other guy weird, they'll win. Well. Thankfully, Australian politics is above that, even for the people who basically don't pay too much attention, because you see those people remember what they were promised and they hate what they've got. It's always nice to see a bit of old school language reappearing. And you know, every now and then on this program. You love the shows where it's a conservative couple of guests and I call it no

Sook's no lefties. Oh the pearl clutching that happens when I use the word sook, because it's such an eighties dad reference when a kid is crying over spilt milk. Now, you and I both know what a sook is. Yes, it's somebody who's weak. Yes, it's somebody who complains. It's not somebody with a legitimate mental health disorder. It's not a way of minimizing somebody with legitimate feelings. But we

all know what a sook is. Well. Interestingly, in the past week, the word sook has returned to parliamentary handsard Both the Liberal Party and the Labor Party have used the word in the past week. Barnaby Joyce in fact doubled down on it in a conversation with my dear friend Andrew Bolt last week.

is what happens. Prime Minister has the court withdrawn reporter to assist the House.

word sheeler. Now, as you know, Fatima Payment was most recently on the air here last week and an excellent documentary, very well produced by Jonathan Lee. Fascinating conversation about the Muslim vote. That's all up at skyies dot com dot Are you agreed? Disagree? I just thought it was a really well produced a piece of Telly Well, as you know. The reason that she is front and center right now she's getting the Australian story treatment. Oh my god, that's

going to be so amazing. But I'm like that she of course had to answer some questions here. She of course has moved to the Cross Beach. She will be most likely a reliable vote for the Labour Party. But now she claims because she's all independent and everything, that she'll be able to you know, call balls and strikes and won't always vote for what they have to vote for. There's a couple of things we do have to say.

And I understand that she's being elevated to some level of Australian politics that to criticize her will equal racism or sexism, you get all of the different words that will be thrown at you. But if you're just a politician, then people are allowed to descend from what you have to say. It's a sort of fundamental tenet of our democracy.

But of course Fatima payment while she joined the Labor Party knowing that it has caucus rules, meaning if the party decides this is the policy, then that's the case. There are no exceptions. If you do so, you will be punished, which is why she lost a couple of committee spots, and then she of course decided I'm out, but also guide for the job to be a senator, which means a legislator, which means a person who is passing the laws of our country that you and I

have to abide by. Well, amazingly last week there were a couple of votes where she didn't take a position, And of course this was not at all to do with not taking a position on controversial issues, because that might come back to bite you. I do know it's apparently because she didn't have enough people around her to be able to read the legislation, to be able to vote yay or nay. Now again, when you decide to leave major party politics, yes, there is going to be

a period of time. You're not going to have the great team around you of dozens of colleagues and all of their staff and the collective brain, which is why you do think twice about these things. But in an interview in the Sydney Morning Herald again and the lead up to the Australian story Treatment in a couple of weeks time, Fatibah Payment is a woman in a bind.

The newly independent senator is unshackled from having to follow the policy dictates of the Labor Party, but she says her desire to exercise her own judgment is being stymy by a lack of parliamentary staff, forcing her to abstain on voting on key issues. No, no, no, it's not because she doesn't want to be drawn on those issues and vote in a fashion which may create political for one of the better term enemies. No no, no, no, no, it's because

I'm not well informed enough. Well, what does that mean about her behavior as a backbencher. Now, sure she couldn't amend the legislation when she was a backbencher because of course the team will votes together. But very obviously she wasn't listening to the speeches, and she wasn't reading the documents. And there's an awful lot that happened every single day

during a sitting week. But let's be honest, in the huge amount of weeks, when as a senator you don't have the same pressures on you as say and MP, you might be able to say, read some of this stuff before it comes in. But again back to the story, it's like moving from this massive corporate world to one where you're a small business owner doing everything on your own. It's very overwhelming. Now, of course, the reality here is

that she's not doing it all on her own. As a senator, I believe that you have as many as five people that are in your staffing, but many of those, of course, are for your main job, which is to allegedly represent the people of Western Australia. She continues, it's important that I do justice to my constituents and that requires me to have the resources to do my job. So despite the fact that I was elected by the

Labor Party, and the Labour Party had the resources. Because I've decided to walk away from the Labor Party, I should have the same resources as the Labor Party to be able to decide whether I do or don't support what the Labor Party is suggesting. One more here in the best interests of everyone, she says, for this staffing

issue to be resolved, including the government. She wrote a letter to the Prime Minister, not at all threatening to say that if I don't get the extra members of staff, that I don't have a dis proportionate number of staffers to the other people in the Parliament, well, that I would vote against your legislation. She's not here to be obstructionist,

she says. Now, of course process can be boring for many people, but it is interesting when it comes to fadom of payment, because we heard a couple of weeks ago that she decided to hire Glenn Drury, who at last time I checked, I think is based out of Victoria, to be the chief of staff to the Senator from Western Australia. Now, of course, he is famously known as a person who has previously worked on the cross bench for people like Darren Hinges, show he knows how to

negotiate legislation, no question. As the story was written up at the time there in the Guardian, a couple of other quotes in and around all of this, as chief of staff will be there to help her through this Machiabellian maze that is Parliament. It can be a whirling area of stress. It could also be very rewarding when you're trying to help people. Okay, cool, fine, fair enough. I had no problems with Glenn, or do I have any problems with the preference whispering thing. That's the system.

But I just think it is worth noting that when his services had been offered in the past, and there were stories about how this pitch was at the time recorded by a potential customer in the lead up to an election, this is what he said about his services and then also his role as a political staffer. So since we're not on the table costs for us getting elected, what is it?

it comes to preference whispering. Now we know that potentially he will be involved in the preference whispering of whatever Fatima Payment is planning to do. Now, whether that will extend to some new party, we'll all find out together. But you see, this is the difference between people who have covered politics for five minutes and those of us that have been around for many years. It's called institutional memory.

It is amazing how many people who profess to know way more about politics than dumb old me somehow don't remember the stories that were there before they turned up, because you see, there was a world before many of these people did turn up. I know it's not as important, not as impressive, but it is worth remembering every now

and then. Now, of course, for Peter doudn't to be in a position where a couple of Poles have said that they're fifty one four nine at the very least, if not leading, then they are competitive going into the next federal election. There is a great difference though, between the success that he is seemingly having as an opposition leader, as is much of the shadow cabinet and his team. There are huge problems with the machine that is the

Liberal Party. Now again I'm not a member of it, but obviously want Peter Dutton to do well, which means he has to have a machine behind him that can actually deliver on the fight for government. Now, Peter Dunton and the people around him should be given all power in the world to have total ability to make sure that the Liberal parties and all of the different states are all aligned with the same goal. It starts in New South Wales now, that is Weld's Liberal Party has

for too long, but eating itself alive. It has for too long embarrassed itself with these fights. That mean they missed the main game. Last week we all saw, not just in Australian news but actually international news that the incompetence of the News Ofbals Liberal Party meant that they didn't fill out the forms in time for the New South Wales's local government elections. Now one half of the team who runs the New Sobal's Liberal Party or they

were demanded into the office. You're gone sacked for not filling out the paperwork. Well, why is the news of ols president of the Liberal Party still there? Don Harwin dancing? Donnie Harwin? Hey, of course there's no excuse he should go too, because the news of OZ party is a mess. It's a mess because of its factions. Where oh, well, it's my version of the Liberal Party, it's your version

of the Liberal Party. They end up suing each other like they did during various state and federal elections, and it means that the candidates who should be pre selected right now for the federal election are not being pre selected. It means the machine that has to fight the Labor Party, the establishment media, the Greens and all the rest of it is not fit for purpose. It's not fit for purpose in New South Wales and it should be taken

over by the federal author athorities. I would suggest the same in Victoria as well, because while it didn't get the same attention, it's the same problem. You see the Victorian Liberal Party they missed a deadline too. This was for their proposals about what should happen about which she seats should stay and go at a federal election. A party to be able to form government needs to be

able to contest an election. For it to be able to win an election, it has to have a machine around it, a machine that is fit for purpose, a machine that is ready to go. And a Liberal Party at the machine level at the state level is not good enough. The one at the federal level well at one in twenty nineteen. They got clobet in twenty twenty two, but it could fight and with the poles and the issues on their side, it should be the best version

of the machine possible. So do what the Labour Party does when you have dysfunctional state divisions, get on top and take them over. Laters from America, and let's follow the money when it comes to the bookies, it's back to level pegging now between the second coming that is, of course Obama in a pantsuit and Donald Trump. Now it seems that Arizona has come over so slightly back his way, but still she's in front in Pennsylvania and potentially in front of Nevada. If that's the case, well

of course she'll become the president. But polling, which is starting to now keep up with the times as opposed to just be polling from a couple of weeks ago, is now starting to show that on a national level, Trump is very close or in some cases leading. Now, before you say, of course that's a Fox News poll, the same poll a couple of weeks ago said Harris

was leading. But if you have a look at just how tight this thing is right now, the Real Clear Politics average, which is an average of all the polls, shows Harris nationally up by one point four. Biden in twenty twenty was up by between two and four points. Once you throw in RFK well then and other minority candidates. Harris still in front, but in the states that matter, Trump just and of course point one is beyond margin

of ra It literally is a coin toss. The issue that does particularly worry though, of us that would like to see Trump defeat Kamala Harris because of her crazy policies. And I'll get to that in a second. In terms of who do that they like more people, according to polling, like Harris more than Trump. Meaning of course that when the Democratic Convention kicks off by the time you wake up tomorrow, and we'll talk about it tomorrow night, after Joe Biden gets his warm hug and legendary farewell and

all of that other garbage. But of course don't forget something that may remind us of some of the problems that exist in and around the DNC is that while they try to tell us everything's okay, could somebody please explain why the city that is hosting the convention is currently boarding up as many windows as it can because there's going to be wild protests. Sure won't be as bad as nineteen sixty eight when literally police started firing at the protesters, but it ain't going to be fun. Now.

May I suggest that most likely the only network that will actually show you what's going on and the protest is tomorrow will be the Fox News Network. We'll show them to you again. Everyone else will just pretend they're not here. There's nothing to see. Meantime, Kamala Harris actually put some ideas on the table. Sure she did it on Fry American time, which was Saturday, our time, secretly hoping that still in the summertime, everyone wasn't paying attention.

Even the Washington Post said, some of her ideas about price controls when it comes to the economy, and I think more than a gimmick. She also has this brand new line that apparently she's just fallen from the sky. She's never had a job before running for president.

they won't fall for the BS. Full coverage tomorrow all day here on Sky News and again here tomorrow night quick break back with more lots of debate to get to. We send it about Canavan, Sam Crosby, so much to fire up about. Glad you here. Thank you very much for watching. Now before we get into the debate, which is going to be fun tonight, can I give a huge shout out to two people one Steep Price, thank you very much for taking care of the show last night.

Thank you for being so kind on the air, and to everyone who got in touch with this. Yes, Leah's birthday, which of course means today's a particularly tough day as well. The little man would have been twelve, and we send nothing but strength and love towards him and I appreciate your love each and every day, month and year, and anyone talks about it means it well to me. The second year is congratulations to Larry Emda. Now Larry MdeR

of course won the Gold LOGI last night. Now, I again, like you don't really generally care about the logis the spot of fact, we actually have one here, just as a little reminder of everyone we won one once, just a little way to rub it in. Well, of course he won. God he'd been around for you know the story of Larry Mda. This is a lovely man, and I just wanted to say at the start before we get into all of our debates and everything else, this man is as classy and as nice and as delightful

off the air as he is on. He is a real life friend. I'm sure that doesn't help with some other people in the world, but any and every time, from when I was a guest on Sunrise to having this show, to a guest on radio shows, whatever, he is the best in the business. I am so glad that his name is now in lights forever with the

great legends of the business. And I'm also glad that after this incredible success, he had to come through and actually deliver on his promise to get a tattoo on his bum within twenty four hours of winning the Gold LOGI.

Can you believe the Labor Party is more than happy to bring into a second week the visa conversation? All right now, this is extraordinary that they're out and about today, and of course that's because the media thinks, oh, this is also terrible and we're heading for a race based election. Of course, people that get a free ride from the love you media, people like Zarie Staggle, They say stuff like this.

I'm not into wall of that, right, I've had some of you know, I don't like the kind of you know, some of the chat that's happened in and around this. But the chat has moved on and it is about vetting. Yet the government was out and about today thinking that they're on a winner here. They couldn't be on a worse footing than underlining their lack of strength on this issue.

with the cost of living. That is what everybody is shouting about. The government has no plan, so they've got to lean back on whatever stick they can beat their political opponents with, and this was the stick lying around now. I went back home on the weekend and at my kid's soccer games, people were aghast they volunteered this.

Their priority should be to protect the safety of Australians first, and that's surely got to mean a proper vetting of anyone that comes from troubled locations like Gaza Sam.

But when we have a debate where the word sook's being thrown around, as the Prime Minister said today, there's something wrong with you. There's something rattling around where they know they're not in the right place.

about vetting of people that come here. And you know, I think the Labour Party is banking here that that inconsistency, that back down, whatever you want to call it, doesn't look very prime ministerial and in an area that is an absolute strength of Peter Dutton. I think they smell blood. Now we'll see if they're right.

don't want to take the advice from us. Let's talk about mining, because again decision made Environmental Minister here, which is to knock on the head yet another project, of course, for apparently cultural reasons. But then there are some group in that cultural connection that don't believe there is cultural

issues in and around all of this. But also interesting here too is some of the conversations that one of the reasons why these things get knocked back or courts get involved, is because of the amount of power lines which may well be put out there. Senator in access to the facility. Well, what about the twenty thousand kilometers of power lines that they're planning to put around the renewable energy projects.

as you pointed out. But the bigger issue is just again, I come back to the economy. It's the number one thing for this country and the challenges we face. And one way, the most sustainable way, the smoothest way out of the cost of living crisis we face, is to produce more goods. Is to get the supply capacity of the economy up to where the excess demand clearly is in the economy right now, and that will help reduce inflation, give improving our productivity, and so decisions like this, it's

just one in isolation. But it's pretty hard to pinpoint from this government, where are they actually trying to increase productivity. Where's their policy set that is trying to make the economy work better and faster and attract more investment, free up red tape and bureaucracy. And here we've got another example, a stark example where eight hundred jobs will be sacrificed here because of government red tape. And the government seems completely a loss with what we need in this country.

And I think people are shaking their heads about where are the priorities for this government where a land dispute or dispute over from Aboriginal councils, might not all the Aboriginal land councils support the government's position on this decision. Take in the side of no jobs, no economic production, and that's only going to make inflation worse.

to the democratic national conventional. Kamala Harris actually told us some of her plans, and some of the plans well, I think mister Wonderful among others from Shark Tank has referred to them as communist style and terrible ideas among other things, sort of are going after all as evil corporations. He's mister Wonderful explaining her policies better than I can.

no merit in reality. At some point she's got to put forward policies that she can be questioned on in front of a reporter, and I'm not sure when that's going to happen.

they're simpletons. Yet the policies of this so called intellectual candidate and the most dumbest thing you've ever seen ever. Whereas whatever you think about Donald Trump, you go to his website, you go to his speeches. He has a laundry list of quite detailed and well thought through, coherence, really policies. Again, you might disagree with some of them,

but they're substantial. I just look, I don't know. Maybe Sam will be right here, but a lot of me says that when the heat of this campaign takes off, the big issue for Carmala on promises, wild promises like this is why didn't you do this while you were there? I mean, she's been vice president now more than three years. Why did you let this price gouging go under and continue under your regime? And eventually she's going to have to answer those tough questions and I think she'll be found out.