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Paul Murray Live | 18 November

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Lidia Thorpe censured but remains unapologetic. Plus, Paul cuts through the latest Labor cash plan spin, and legendary boxer Mike Tyson says he shouldn't be alive.

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Speaker 1

From the sky in center.

Speaker 2

This is Paul Murray Live. Indeed censoring the Internet. Are we days away from it being killed in the Senate. I'll tell you more about what I know tonight. Of course, there's lots of other things to talk about. While Airbus Elbow upgrade Elbows currently overseas. Newpolling here shows he's in a world of trouble and the numbers are not moving. Of course, you know Allen Jones was arrested and charged today and Nicholas Rees, the mayor of Melbourne freshly re elected.

He will be on the show tonight, and not just as a guest. He's here for the full back and forth with Matt Canavan, debated at its best always here on Polari Life. But first let's focus on a story that in my mind, has been as impactful as many the others we've talked about all year, everything from the change of what happened in America to the Queensland election

and so many other stories in between. But the story of little baby Luca has sat with me and I know you since we first learned that this beautiful little boy who had been attacked by a man who police alleged has already left the country, and of course this was after boiling water was poured upon him in a park. Well. The reason I mentioned this tonight is because I love to follow up, especially when it's some good news about

Australia's bravest little boy. The Quarier Mile today had an interview with Baby Luca's parents about his recovery, about how he's going, and about his emotional state. And he's obviously only very little, but obviously he's deeply traumatized by what has taken place. Here are the photos that I want to show you on a day where I wanted to show you some of the good news. Here of him playing with Mum and Dad in the backyard like any little bubba does in Queensland and Australia. Each and every

day he does bear the scars of what happened. Whether those scars will be lifelong, we will all find out together. But of course the strength that we have for this little boy and love for his family is forever. According to the article, his mother said that it had taken a time for Luca to get over the incident, but

Luca was on a path to recovery. She says he didn't have a bath for like a month when he had all the bandages, and when we poured water over his head when we had a bath, he started screaming. It did take a little while, but and he's still a little weary of people, and he's become a little bit shy. So when we go into a group situation, will he'll often hide behind my legs and I'll just take a little while for him to warm up to everyone. Of course, that is the result of the traumas that

he has been through. The story, however, gets better from here, which is that he's now comfortable having a bath, thankfully, and he's getting better with people once he assesses the situation. This beautiful little boy whose strength is unbelievable to see, and I wish I could show you his smiling little face. But because of the quirks of the lord, despite the fact that the person who police allege is responsible for this has apparently fled the country because he is a youth,

that of course means that he can't be identified. It's his family who have told us about baby Luca, so I pass on what they are willing to be made public, But sadly they can't show his face, and that's why I can't show you his face. And I hope that his face has many more smiles since what has taken place, and I hope that he has a life that has many more smiles to come. His father said he was hopeful that his son would have a big future. We

are definitely optimistic at this point. He already looks better than we ever thought. Hopefully by the time he becomes a teenager, you won't even be able to see the scars anymore. So strength and love to baby Luka, his mum, dad and everyone who are around him. Strength and love from those that will never be lucky enough to meet him,

but think about him every day. Now today, Question time back, prime minister still overseas, of course, playing world leader, cuddling up to lame duck presidents or prime ministers who like him, have a very uncertain political future. But there were two stories in Canberra today. I think one is an obvious

one to talk about. The stories were the Federal government making some moves about apparently protecting the use of cash when you go to certain shops, or a report that says there are three million Australian families who are in danger of homelessness, which one do you reckon? The media talked about.

Speaker 3

Today, retailers selling groceries, fuel and other essential supplies will be forced to accept cash under a plan to help those who haven't made the digital switch.

Speaker 4

Cash may no longer be king, but the alineazy government is moving to keep currency in the economy.

Speaker 2

The government to mandate acceptance of cash to protect the one and a half million Australians who use it for eighty percent of their purchases. Honestly, the details around this surprise, surprise, and nowhere near what the press release said. The Treasurer put this one out this morning, the media fell for it and by six pm it was a more dominant story than three million of our fellow citizens heading towards potential homelessness. But as always there's an asterisk, there's a catch.

This is not going to be the protection of cash and telling every retailer in the country that they have to accept cash. No, it's a review that will report back at the start of next year, and it will only affect essential services where supposedly legal tender, which should already be accepted by everyone as a way of paying for things after all. Otherwise the bits of paper or the coin means nothing but have a look after the review, and they make the decision and they pass the rules.

It kicks in on the first of January in twenty twenty six. So a story that doesn't really affect everyone who wants to use cash, which is a review into a system that will not return its findings despite the fact that the governments already told us what they want the findings to be, will not report back until next year, and then it doesn't coming to effect until twenty twenty six. Hold the presses breaking news meantime, the actual story of the day is this story about our fellow Australians. Now.

I know some people don't want to talk about this because it does not have a silver lining. But right now, there are three point seven million people in this country who have trouble getting a meal each and every day. There are people who are lining up for food banks. It has got worse and worse, and there are no signs of it getting better. There are also a significant number of people who are living right on the edge right now, and if they're not directly homeless, they're living

in things like tents and cars. These are people who have jobs. These are people who go to work, but they don't have enough money to pay for somewhere to live. A report was released today by Homelessness Australia and I think this should have got much more attention than the government trying to talk about anything but it's bad economic record. I'll read from the ABC here the rising cost of living and rates of rental stress have left about three

minion Australians at risk of homelessness. That's more than a sixty percent increase in less than ten years. A state by state breakdown has found that Queensland in Victoria, they are the hardest hit.

Speaker 5

Here.

Speaker 2

In Victoria, nine hundred and eighty seven thousand people are at risk of losing their home. According to this report, the state has seen twenty three percent increase in rental stress. Put simply, if you are lucky enough to have a rental property. The increases in the rental property mean that people who have not seen any significant wage rises yet are still having to find extra money for all of those extra things that we've been talking about for the

past couple of years. Means they may not be able to pay their rent. If they can't pay their rent, they'll get booted out. And of course we know there are so few properties that are actually available right now. This story, to me is way more important than a review that reports back next year with consequences of twenty twenty six and not for cash to be available everywhere or for it to be mandated, it must be accepted.

None are only for essential services, and I don't think that there's any plan anytime soon for service stations or supermarkets to not be accepting cash. So it's a review into something that isn't changing with a promise of it not changing in twenty twenty six, But between now in twenty twenty six now in twenty twenty six, three million people are right on the line, right on the line.

The report's author and CEO from Homelessness Australia spoke to the ABC ahead of the release of this report today and Cape Colvin said that people who could have afforded private rentals just a few years ago in our resorting

to CouchSurfing, sleeping in cars or pitching tents. Now there is something that the federal government could do in this situation, but of course they have no interest in doing that, and that is reducing the number of people that we bring into the country each and every year now, while Australia has a skill shortage, that is in part because generations of Australian politicians have shamed kids from picking up

a hammer for going to tafe instead. From King Beasley right through to Anthony Albernezi as labor leaders, the preference has been go to university, Go to university, you must go to university. Well, there's a story about that as well at a moment or two's time. But the reality is is that while this Prime Minister told us that he was going to cut immigration, he told us that in December of last year, he has failed to deliver

on that promise. In fact, the numbers by any standard are exactly where they were twelve months ago, and exactly

where they were twelve months before that. We are in a world of pain at the moment when it comes to migration, and he is becoming to become a political issue now again for those that are half paying attention, for those that are getting ready to run off to the umpire, for those that are going to complain that somehow this is some sort of racist dog whistle garbage that when we keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of people and more than a million people since this government

came to power. That is a million people that need to live somewhere. That's a million people who compete with the already struggling number of people for rental places. That is a million people who are competing with those that are struggling to pay for their first or family home.

That is why immigration needs to be discussed, because if we have a system where three million existing Australians are this close to being homeless, and we are adding more and more people for them to compete with when it comes to rental properties, we are going to have more people homeless in this country. But as late as last weekend, Lefty Laura Tingle was writing in the ABC in the Financial Review that we need to have a mature conversation,

a sensible conversation about migration. This, of course, is the lady who thinks that as a result of the issues that have arised because of the problems of too many people coming into the country too quickly, that apparently we were going to turn on foreign looking people if they were trying to buy a home.

Speaker 6

For a major political university saying, as Nicky says, you know, everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants. And you know, as a certain flash of people turning up to try to rent a property or at an auction and they look a bit different. What have you defined different as basically has given them license to be abused?

Speaker 2

Oh no, but we should have a sensible conversation. That's her starting point, a sensible conversation about migration. Australia has too many people coming to the country while too many people living in the country are struggling. The federal government is in a position to try to help those people. But literally they are spending twice as much money as they give to people like food Bank on advertisements to make you think that they are doing anything about cost

of living. Saving their own political backside is what they spend taxpayers money on. Otherwise, it's up to charities to take care of those who are right on the line three million people. I ask you, what was the lead story out of Canberra today. Meantime, while the Prime Minister again is faffing about with world leaders, including again the president who was a Lane Duk president, these meetings are

useless until, of course Donald Trump turns up. Well, you may remember that there was a little thoot bubble from the Prime Minister when he was foe launching his election campaign, which he has already told us is going to be in May of next year. It was an attempt to change the conversation from the relentless negative publicity about airbas Albo, the relentless failures of his government to actually deal with cost of living. Remember, while they say there's a tax

cut for everyone, it was too little, it was too late. Also, there's been twelve of interest rate rises on their watch, in part because of the way that they are running the economy. But there was a multi billion dollar promise which was made at that launch, which was that Anthony Abernezi and us the taxpayer were going to wipe student debt, not all of it, but a very significant amount of it.

Here he is announcing the policy a re elected Labor government will take twenty percent off student debt for everyone who has won. Now, remember I've spoken about this before. The overall amount of debt that is owed by people who have gone to university but have not paid it back yet. The fees to the Australian tax pase eighty eight zero b four billion dollars. The promise that's been made by the Prime Minister. It's his second swipe at

this policy is roughly about ten billion dollars. Now, remember, three million people in this country are right on the line of homelessness. Where would you be spending ten billion dollars. Of course, the Prime Minister is doing this not to help with the cost of living, but to take on the Greens because the difference between majority and minority for him, most likely at the next election, is whether Greens take

labor seats. So ten billion dollars is being spent to move people who go through the university system, who we know are more likely to vote left. Jees, I wonder why, and to make sure that they vote Labor not Greens, even though if they vote Greens they'll still preference labor. Well, guess what. A very significant number of those people who are about to have their debt reduced don't live in Australia and have no plans on paying back what they

owe to you and me. Great story, great exclusive. It's wiseguy news dot com. Do you should be your homepage? Because this was a ripper from them today the digital team that twenty percent twenty percent of those that are about to get a reduction in the bill, that many of them play play and not to pay back. Currently are overseas with no plan of paying the money back.

Almost forty thousand student debtors overseas have an average of twenty nine, seven hundred and eighty seven dollars in loans, accounting to one point one billion dollars of total debt. Scott New spoke to a number of overseas graduates who knew they had to continue making the loan repayments but

said they didn't bother. So again, if the Prime Minister wants to stand by the cost of living changes for Greens or labor voters at ten billion dollars, about a billion dollars worth of that is going to people who already live overseas, and many of whom have no plan on paying it back. A repeat. This is on a night when we all learned three million Australians of this close to homelessness. But of course they're not as loud on Twitter or social media as many of the student

activists are. It's a disgraceful example about priorities. It's also a disgraceful example about these people trying to change the subject from their own mess only to create more of a mess when they do it, which is why the latest opinion polls again not good for the Prime minister. They're getting better for Peter Dutton and the coalition. A pole came out today by the Australian Financial Review, done by the Freshwater Organization. It shows no change since their

last poll a few weeks ago. The Liberal National Party would win an election fifty one to forty nine, but of course it's all about seventy six seats and the big as risko I has teld you, was about the Teals. If the Teals stay, the Liberals won't get there. If the Teals are blown away politically, well, obviously they are a chance of forming government. But the worry for the Prime Minister is not that he's losing on these numbers.

The worry for the Prime Minister is that if you have a look at the trend of all of the polls since the twenty twenty two election, they only had in one direction down. Multiple polls are now starting to cluster in this scenario where the Labour Party is south of fifty percent, only ever so slightly, but still south of fifty percent. That's because their primary vote, which is four since the last election isn't even a third of

the country. Remember, as I told you last night, only thirty percent of Australians think that we're headed in the right direction. Pretty obvious to see which way they're voting. If the Liberal Party has a forty primary vote, well then they would win a conventional election. I keep mentioning the Teals because it is the obvious reason why this is not potentially a conventional election. The Greens pretty much where they have been, but ever so slightly up. And

that number that matters is the everyone else. Everyone else from the United Australian Party to the Victorian Socialists, your local Teal Independent, you're real Independent, or of course Paul En Hansen's One Nation. And when it comes to the leaders, our old mat Ncholas Reese rejoining the show this evening, of course, has talked much about the preferred prime minister role. Well, I've spoken about this many times before. Anthony Albanez he made lead, but it's only by one point and he

hasn't even close to breaking fifty. Amazingly, just four percent of people are still yet to make up their mind. Let's imagine you split that in half. Bad news for the Prime Minister and Peter Dutton, who apparently is unelectable, would get very close to doing so on the issues. And this is what's really important the Labor Party. It only leads barely on a few of them. It is the environment, jobs and employment, healthcare, family and community, welfare

and benefits. But roads, infrastructure, housing, cost of living, managing the economy, tax and spending, national security, migration and crime are all issues which we know are greater priorities than many of those that Labor are currently in favor of. Certainly are leading on or campaigning on cost of living right now. Fascinating to read thirty nine percent of people say the Libs just twenty seven percent of people say Labor.

Also in campad to Day, there was an alleged consequence for Lydia Thorpe's carry on which embarrassed herself, her cause, and the country when she decided to make a spectacle of herself. Of course, when King Charles and Quen Camilla were here. I know by talking about her, I am feeding the beast. But still it's worth mentioning here because she was formally censured by the Senate today for her behavior. Now, a censure of the Senate doesn't mean anything, she doesn't

lose a day's pay. She's not told she's not allowed to sit in the Parliament for the next two weeks because of course the Labor Party would need her vote. Remember, she hasn't said what she's doing when it comes to the Misinformation Bill. But the reason why perhaps there should be some attention paid to her formerly being told she can't sit in the Parliament for at least one day, or I would suggest the next two weeks, is because of her very attitude despite when she was censured by

her own colleagues. This is what she did outside of parliament today.

Speaker 5

Center motion is like that.

Speaker 7

To me.

Speaker 5

I don't give a damn about censure motion. In fact, I'm going to use it for kindling later on in the week.

Speaker 2

On our way towards summer. But she's to be starting fires. Okay. The other part it was worth talking about was again we know how unrepentant she is about these things, and that's fine. She can be the worrior that she is.

But as I've pointed out before, she obviously had a fingers crossed when she was giving a legal oath, something that if you and I did in the court, that would be a problem, but apparently to be signed in as a senator with immense power for six years and don't forget we still have her after the next election, after she was just freshly reelected on Labour preferences green votes.

That the last election means she's there for six years in an institution that apparently she completely hates, in a country that she believes is not really the one that we live in, because of course this country is her country, not our country, and definitely not the kings.

Speaker 5

If the colonizing king were to come to my country again, our country, then I'll do it again, and I will keep doing it. I swear my allegiance to the real sovereign of these lands. First peoples are the real sovereigns. I'm here to bring down the colony.

Speaker 2

Interesting though, that she's willing to be paid by the colony. She's willing to have the legal protection of walking into the Parliament and being able to say whatever she wants without any sort of legal repercussions. She's willing to literally be paid in money that has the King's face on the other side of it. Talk about each way, albow, it's every way when it comes to Lydia Thorpe. But of course if I say this somehow I'm being racist. No, of course not. If she was serious, she would resign.

She was serious, she would try to live some sort of alternative lifestyle with an alternative currency. Or no, she wants all of the power of the colony while bringing down the colony and being paid with coins that have the King's face on it. We will know in the next week or so whether the censoring of the Internet is going to become law. The Prime Minister and Communications Minister have had a couple of cracks at this. They call it the misinformation law. I call it censoring the

Internet because that's the plan. You know what the plan is. You know how bad it is. And everyone from the Human Rights Organization to the ABC, from church groups through to everything that I've told you that this is a terrible idea that they are putting in front of us. Again, there are plenty of laws that exist about defamation in this country. There are plenty of laws that exist about inciting violence in this country, and there are serious consequences

for people who want to pedal in lies. But the idea that social media companies will be fined if you post something on the Internet that the government deems not to be true is well and truly a step too far. And it looks like this bill will die a death in the Senate because the maths matters. Again, I'm going to explain these numbers every night because I want everyone

to know what is happening here. Now, this vote, if it's brought on tonight, would fail, which is why the government is trying to string it out for as long as possible. I think they're just delaying their pain. But again, you need thirty nine votes to pass anything in the Senate. If all of the Labor Party, including the President and all of the Greens vote, that's thirty six. There are five left wing votes on the cross Bench. But the problem is David Pocock said no, meaning there's four left.

Tammy Tyrrell has said no, meaning there's three left. Fadom A. Payman has said no meaning there are two left. And today Jackie Lamby formally came out and said no, meaning that there would be just one left. But how do we not just watch Jackie Lamby having all sides of an issue here. She knows this thing's going down. She knows the concept of censoring the Internet is completely ridiculous, not to mention, grossly unpopular and an attack on free speech.

But try and work out what her logic is for voting no. When she was talking this morning here to Kenny Heatley.

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When I see social media that's going to police itself, I have a problem with that. So I think the intent of the bill is not going to be is not going to end up the way they want it to. So that's a real wober for me. And letting social media police itself those platforms, that's half the problem that we've got. So really I don't see the point in the bloody bill, to be honest with you, it's just a waste of time. Seriously, get some work done. Do something about the cost of living.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Speaker 3

Is there anything labor could come to you with to make it more palatable for you or are you just flat out against it?

Speaker 8

No, I'm just pretty much flat out again sting quite frankly, Like I said, there's a cost of living crisis out there. Get on with it.

Speaker 2

So it doesn't go far enough or it goes too far. Of course, that's just about her being able to turn around and say no, no, no. Of course of living is the focus unless they do what's her suggestion as she moved to Private Members Bill, what does she want the government to do? Many sides of Jackie Lamby, but let's get back to the mats. So there are other members of the cross bench, but pretty obviously One Nation United Australian Party. They're not going to go there. Dured Rennick's

not going to go there. So potentially David Van former Liberal who says that apparently he's open to all of this, and then is of course there's Lydia Thorpe. But even then that would be two of the three votes that they need. So at this moment, even if they are able to get a yes out of Lydia Thorpe, even if they're able to get a yes for whatever bizarre reason out of the former Liberal, they will still fall

one vote short. But let's make sure this happens. Freely available on the internet is the number for the switchboard of Parliament House in Canberra. Feel free to call that number tomorrow and feel free to contact the senators who still have not said whether they are going to be yes or no. Will this thing die by one vote, two or three? You can also send an email. All you need to do is Go to aph dot gov dot au, go to the senator's page, find a contact

from them. Please be polite, both on the phone and in emails with a simple question of are you going to vote for or against censoring the Internet? Again, the numbers are not there right now, will magically they appear, who knows. But let's make sure that we've done everything we can to make sure that the case is clear. Australians want free speech protected for obviously reasons. The main and dominant news story of the day today has involved

the broadcaster Alan Jones. It's been a difficult day for many people as they process all of the information. But as you know, he has been arrested this morning at his home in Sydney and was charged by police this afternoon.

Speaker 9

Those offenses include eleven charges of aggravated indecent assault where the victim was under the authority of the offender, nine charges related to assault with active indecency, two charges of common assault, and two charges of sexual touching. Police will allege these offenses took place between two thousand and one and twenty nineteen, involving eight victims. The youngest of those victims was seventeen year old when the time, at the time when we elites the defense took place.

Speaker 2

Now because the matters have now moved towards charges, and that of course means an appearance in court. As time will roll on. I'll have nothing more to say about all of this other than to obviously note police are methodical in things like this, and it's important to note that mister Jones has denied the charges and we do live in a system where someone is innocent until proven guilty, no matter how much rage there may be on the internet.

That is an important principle of our laws. I will not say any more about this case is resolved one way or the other for obvious reasons. We talk a lot about councils getting outside of their lane and often trying to veer into solving problems like the Middle East. Well, there has been a council that's actually done the right thing. As we know. There are plenty of people who have attempted to take to the streets in support of the terrorist organization has Balah of but if you change the

colors then it's not quite the symbol. But we know the point. There was also an attempt by the Cumberland Council or some of its councilors to fly the Lebanese flag for no other reason than to show support for the Lebanese community. And of course the Lebanese community is not the Hesbela community, Let's make that nice and clear. But still the plan was that they would be flying

the flag at the front of their council chambers. But I'm pleased to say there are enough people on the council who decided not to do that, meaning for once a council actually decided the only flag that you need out the front is the Australian flag, but of course we fly many others for all the obvious reasons. I hope you didn't watch the Mike Tyson Jake Paul fight, but if he did on Netflix, you will be just

as igh watered as the rest of the world watching it. Surprise, surprise, the twenty seven year old beat the fifty six year old. But amazingly, Mike Tyson has come out and said one of the reasons why he had great health fears in the training and then in the fight as well, is that he has announced that there's no way that he should have been there. Why Because he has announced that he has been dealing with AIDS HIV. Why he got in there in the first place, of course, is all

about money. He gets twenty million dollars, But what a stupid thing to put himself through, and why anyone promoted it knowing potentially that fact is extraordinary? Speaking of the fights, who couldn't have a look at Donald Trump turning up at Madison Square Garden. He was cheered on by many in the crowd. What a murderer's row he had around him too, of rock stars of the right, including new arrivals to the team of RFK. Even Dan Bongina was there,

along with Kid Rock and plenty of others. Perhaps the nerdiest person there was the Speaker of the house, looking like he pretended to enjoy the UFC. But what about one of the greatest fighters of all time? After winning and doing the Trump dance, he gave the President elect the championship belt while he's living it up in the

United States. The outgoing ambassador to Australia from the United States, Carolyn Kennedy, yes of the same family as RFK, was giving a speech today at the National Press Club about how awesome Australia is and how important it is to the United States.

Speaker 7

And after two and a half years, I think I have an answer, and I'm still surprised that Australia doesn't always appreciate how important it is.

Speaker 2

Now. Of course, nice pleasantry extended to many ambassadors, and it's all sort of a nice little moment of we love America, America loves ask grateful and fair enough, But what about some of the questions where this was their chance part of the Canberra bubble, the bubble inside the bubble, at the most bubbly event on the home ground of home grounds, which is the National Press Club, to ask questions of an ambassador, who, of course would have to

straight bout all of them. But they got to pretend they were part of the Washington establishment, and they prove they'd be just as bad there as they are here.

Speaker 10

Of The re election of Donald Trump shows that the trend of American first icelationism is not a accident at once, of it's increasingly becoming a trend. To what extent should American allies in the region, including Australia, start preparing for a world without America.

Speaker 11

Donald Trump's nominee for Directive National Intelligence, Telsey Gabbard, is facing Democratic allegations that she's working for Russia and poses a threat to US national intelligence.

Speaker 12

Will America be ready to elect a female president in your lifetime?

Speaker 5

I not.

Speaker 12

In your speech, you spoke about the value of vaccines for population health and things like that. Obviously your cousin is being accused of spreading vaccine skepticism.

Speaker 1

What does it say about America today?

Speaker 2

Donald Trump?

Speaker 4

Do you think the Trump administration could be paving the way to allow Israel to annex the West Bank?

Speaker 13

Do you have any thoughts about whether Kevin Rudd's position in Washington is tenable? Can he remain in that position? And do you have any advice for Ambassador Rudd as to how.

Speaker 2

Awesome conduction, what a chummy little club they have where? Of course, today the biggest story was an inquiry into cash three million people who are this close to homelessness. Let's get straight into it and ing gong for the rest of the show. Nicholas Rees, Matt Canavan, I know you love it. Pull your seat for this one's going to be worth remembering on a Monday night here on Sky News. Thanks for watching. What's that old line from the song you don't know what you got till you

it's gone well. How we have missed a returning champion. You know, he ran off, he became the Mayor of Melbourne. Then he won an election while the world was having a look at what was happening with Donald Trump. He returns as the Lord Mayor of Melbourne. Nicholas Reese is here. Congratulations my friend, and welcome home. And more than happy to greet him is none other than Matt Canavan, of course, sitting by in our nation's capital. Nicholas, congratulations mate, what

a phenomenal achievement. You had them all against you and you swipe them all.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. Paul Murray.

Speaker 4

I can't tell you how many times when I was out in the huftings people would come up to me and say, I've been watching you for years on the Paul Murray and we love Paul, and we love you and we're going to be inviting for you.

Speaker 1

So there you have it. You are my Joe Rogan mate. We can't thank you enough. Matt. I hope you feel the same.

Speaker 2

I'm happy to give you the big boy bump here. Well done. All right, now, let's now by the way, we're not you're back. We've been nice. We've done the cuddles back to normal now, okay, but remember this bloke Labor didn't even send preferences his way, so it was a new Nicholas Ree sitting in front of us here. Let's all find it out together. Latest polls show Prime

minister government world of trouble. But more importantly, Matt, it shows that nothing is changing the subject and surprise, surprise, you know, the attempt when it comes to university fees doesn't move the needle. I wouldn't imagine that some very small bugg arising around inquiry into cash is going to do the same either. Why do you think it's stuck where it's stuck for the government?

Speaker 14

Well, can I first welcome Nicholas back too? If I missed your mates, great to have you back. I was hoping he was coming back just to celebrate Donald Trump's reelection. That's a great achievement from Nick down there in Melbourne too.

Speaker 4

Well.

Speaker 14

Look, I think the issue, Paul, is that the government has not really got a credible, coherent economic plan or agenda for the country. I don't think any amount of cash splashes, debt ride offs or social media youth bans are going.

Speaker 1

To resuscitate this government.

Speaker 14

People understand that there is a serious crisis in our nation right now. Our living standards have fallen by more than any other country in the world since the end of COVID. They're down about eight percent of real disposable income levels of down about eight percent.

Speaker 1

They've grown in the US while ours have been falling. And people get that.

Speaker 14

And so when you've got serious problems in front of you as a demand, a hunger for serious solutions, and all of these trinkets and cheap sales trips like it's like a closing down sale. You know, there's another set of stake knives for you. It's just not going to cut it with people. And so I think if the government has a survival instinct in them, they'll use the Christmas break to actually come up with a proper plan, not just more cash handouts.

Speaker 2

Yeah. I mean, Nick, it's this thing again. You focused on your own future. But now let's start to turn their attention to the old team. Why is it just not moving for them? Because it's not like there's not parts of the media that aren't willing to move on. You know, every sort of let's change the subject is given the royal treatment. But I think a little bit like in the United States, it doesn't matter what the message is out of camera, the reality of people's lives can't You can't spin it.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's a very challenging time to be an incumbent political party in government. You look what happened in the UK elections, You look what's just happened in the US. Even local government elections here in Victoria saw a huge turnover. Like I had a very very hard fought victory. I'm going to tell you to hang on. So it's a really hard time to

be in government. I think that's had a lot to do with inflation and the impact that's having on cost of living and people's sense of how they're going in life. And again that's not confined to Australia. It's the same story most of the advanced world. I do think Albanize has got quite a few things going from there. And you know, I was Matt Canavan, I wouldn't be complacent. He sounded pretty complacent to me, like he's not going

post to victory or something. But Albanese he's a pretty wily political operator's pretty tough campaigner, and he's got plenty of things to sell.

Speaker 1

Matt.

Speaker 4

I mean, let's not forget he has halved inflation since coming to office, over a million jobs generated. He's out there with his new slogan building Australia's future, which obviously goes to his track record in infrastructure.

Speaker 1

So I think the.

Speaker 4

Legend's going to be pretty pretty pretty tight, pretty hard for It wasn't, but I wouldn't be complacent.

Speaker 1

Like Matt Matt May.

Speaker 2

Matt wasn't putting the queue in the rack and saying, you know this, this game's over. We're talking about the pole six and a big months out from an election.

Speaker 14

Matt Well, I wasn't complacent before, But if that is the pitch he goes with, I might become a little bit complacent because basically what you're saying, Nick, is that all the PM has to do is tell all Australians that they've never had it so good and they should bout out in front of him, and Genu inflected his greatness.

I mean, we've got the highest inflation that developed world, so we've got this massive drop in living stands, real wages are cratering, our productivity has fallen six percent since this government's.

Speaker 1

Been in power, the highest on record.

Speaker 14

A young people can't afford a home because the government can't seem to control our border, letting in a huge number of people. It's just brought Christ's after roll in Christis and the government. So this week we've got fortnite before Christmas. It could be a last sitting week before the election. The main focus of the government is to ban YouTube for kids under sixty.

Speaker 1

I mean it's time we got real.

Speaker 14

I mean, just a few months ago the government banned a billion dollar coal gold mine because of a mythical b It's not even a real be it's a made up beat and they banned it because of that. I mean, what is going on in this country? We got to start focusing on the priorities, which is people's real lives.

Speaker 1

They're real budgets that are getting crushed right now.

Speaker 2

So, Nicholas, I mean back to where we were right which was I spent a lot of time at the start of the show talking about this homelessness report. Three

million people are right on the edge. Okay, we know that there are plenty of people that you have to deal with in the city of Melbourne, plenty of people in regional Queensland as well, who are in a world of trouble where they're still working but I don't have enough money for rent and they might be living in their car, living in their tent today, three million people

on the edge. This government today did not talk about that issue, did not respond to that issue, did not find a billion dollars off budget to help any of those people. Instead, it's censoring the Internet and launching reviews into whether cash will or won't be available at a service station in twenty twenty six. I think again, those

three million people have every right to vote. But those three million people know other family members, meaning the total number of people that are exposed to this is a lot more than three million people. And I think that that is a decisive figure in your political future. And if this bloke you're spending more money on ads, flogging two little too late tax cuts and building futures made all of this sort of garbage, well I would cancel every dollar of that and I would throw it at

making sure people have somewhere to live. Yeah.

Speaker 4

Look, I think housing is going to be a major issue at the next election. Probably we haven't seen housing such a irrelevant.

Speaker 1

Issue in a long, long time.

Speaker 4

I mean, we heard a lot of negativity from matter moment ago, didn't hear much in the way of positive plans, and that's a challenge to labor as well. I agree with Matt. They can't just write on the records. They've really got to go to the election was a positive plan and show people the practical things they will do to make people's life, you know, that little bit better, that helping hand that people are looking for. And housing's going to be an absolute key area where I'd be

hoping to see more from labor. I mean, I think in this country there's a complex combination of factors feeding into housing unaffordability. I mean, some of it is construction costs, some of it is obviously interest rates. I think the fact that housing has become an investment immigrategory in Australia has been a problem as well. Yeah, yeah, I do think the fact that we've had a million growth and not enough new how I'm speaking built is a factor. Paul,

I agree with you in part of it. So the question that the election is going to be well, what are you going to do about it? And that's the real challenge for labor. But I am confident that I think Albani is in labor will go forward with.

Speaker 1

A strong plan. Like you just look at that slogan.

Speaker 4

They've got it there and it's more than a slogan building Australia's future. I think that's exactly where Albanizi should be going on housing.

Speaker 2

But does anyone believe this building Australia's future stuff? Again, you have a wonderful slogan and you've got to have

some and I've got this feeling. And again politicians will stand up and here's the slogan, and this is this billion and this like until people see something change, some thing that state governments have been devilishly good at, which is and it's worked for multiple state governments getting re elected who don't deserve it right, which is to basically announce a plan for some giant construction site, make sure that you put the bunting up around it, even though

they haven't even done the architects plan. So people might think something's happening, but the reality is when three million people are this close, this close, you know there's always been poverty, But that is a red light that if there is a shock at the election, it's not a bread crumb. It's a giant bakery of a clue to where we might be heading in this country.

Speaker 14

I think we're heading potentially for an economic crisis and Earth we turn things around pretty quickly. And look, the slogans are fine, you need to try and succinctly explain your position to people. The problem with the building Australia's future is there's not a lot of meat on the bone and the stuff that is there is failing before

our eyes. And so most of that building Australia's future is around this so called energy transition which is only delivered higher power prices for Australia promises about mythical hydrogen jobs which have not and are not turning up anytime soon. And so yes, I agree with Nick. We've got to come up with our own plans. I've seen this on show,

on this show many times. We've got a good start there with the plans to cut government spending by ninety billion dollars, taking off pressure off inflation, bringing prices down. We've got plans to remove the ridiculous and out of date nuclear energy bands so we can build reliable power supplies that can keep our manufacturing jobs in this country, and we've got a plan to cut migration that take pressure off housing so a young people can put a home.

There's a lot more to do, of course, but I think if the problem for this government is their current plans are clearly failing.

Speaker 1

So unless they pivot here and.

Speaker 14

Get rid of the barnacle so to speak that John Howard was an expert at doing, I really think they're going to struggle because how can you go to the electorate with a bunch of reheated microwave plans from twenty twenty two that have clearly not worked.

Speaker 2

Yeah, all right, Well, plenty to talk about it in the next of a while, including I know that Matt would just like to talk Trump for the rest of it. We'll go in and around that. And obviously Nick's plans for Melbourne, including a female statue led recovery, we know that's part of the plan as well. Quick break back with more plenty to talk about here on Port Murray Live. Here it'll the end of the show and the late

debate is up moments from now. Thank you to Mike and a bunch of other emailers who were clarified and have sent me the full quotes about Mike Tyson, No, he does not have AIDS instead. However, he did actually have six with people who were HIV positive but did not end up having AIDS. But again it was part of the coverage about his fitness when it came to that fight, which thankfully it might be happening again. But

he's twenty minute dollars. Richard, all right, let's get into it again with Nicholas Reess Cary out A champ re elected as the mayor of Melbourne in his own right. Remember just mention our name, no parking signs for anyone, and the wonderful Matt Canavan. Nicholas, all right, we've heard the pitch before, but now it's action time. In a year's time, how does Melbourne look the better for you being its boss?

Speaker 1

Well, thanks, Paul.

Speaker 4

Well I've said the most pressing priority as I'll have as Lord Mayor is city safety and city cleanliness. So rolling out new city safety offices, very visible safety presence on the streets, also doubling the number of CCTV cameras around the city that angel eye in the sky. I'm also going to be having a massive overhaul of cleaning, with twenty four hours a day seven day a week cleaning services, helping with cost of leaving, putting a freeze on rates, putting doward pressure on power prices.

Speaker 1

Through a bulk purchasing scheme.

Speaker 4

May you just two dollars to go to the local pool free pet red sho.

Speaker 1

I've just looked across.

Speaker 4

All the things, the little things we do that touch people's lives, and said, how can I save people a few dollars there?

Speaker 1

Just knowing it all adds up?

Speaker 4

So a cleaner, safer, greener, healthier.

Speaker 1

More prosperous Melbourne. That's what you'll see in a year from now.

Speaker 2

Well done? All right, now, Matt, what about the coal industry coming out today and saying, hey, but before we all move on here, there is a future here. There is a future for it in our energy system and also as a way of making sure that we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot in the race to renewables.

Speaker 14

Yeah, I'll of course get the coal, Paul, But I just want to say it, that's a great agenda of Nick. It sounds like lower taxes, cracked down crime. He might have been he might have been looking at Donald Trump's homework over there. Yeah, I might move there, we might lose all these Queen's Landers back down there. Mate, they've turned out.

Speaker 1

Magnetic Paulish City. Matt. We are very welcome here, very welcome here. It's a lovely I was ready. It's a shame with Dan Andrews. It's a shame what Dan Andrews did to it. So all power to you. It's a it's a beautiful city.

Speaker 4

But I mean, I've got to tell you, I was reading these, reading these news reports of all these Americans who are saying they were going to move to Canada after a Donald Trump's victory, and.

Speaker 1

Of course I was saying, they'll be very welcome, very welcome, and you'll be welcome to Matt. He'll be welcome to Matt. Let's I think Canada.

Speaker 14

Canada is not going to be a left wing respite for too much longer, I think for those poor souls. But but yes, now on to Cole Paul on Cole, well, look, I mean everything has changed really in the world the last few weeks, and finally we've got people out here belling the cat that if we if we want to keep cheap power in this country, we've got to use all our natural resources.

Speaker 1

I'd love to use more gas.

Speaker 14

But the simple fact is we do not have the affordable gas like the United States have. We do have lots of cheap and plentiful coal those So today we've had Glen call BHP. Even if all companies come out and raise this warning, and if we don't get energy prices down, we're going to lose a lot of manufacturing businesses and not just a China to a rejuvenated energy rich Trump led America too.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we don't forget also part of the policies, there is a whole use of tax policies as well on top of cheap energy. All right, do appreciate it. Nick, we'll play again very soon. In no doubt you'll have plenty to say in the future about cole gas, renewables and everything else. Again, congratulations mate, really proud of You're well done, Matt. Just quely before we go. Since of the Internet, it looks like they're at least one vote short, even if they're able to somehow get Van and Thorpe.

Do you think this thing dies and when does it die?

Speaker 1

Well?

Speaker 14

Look, and I thank all the posse out there watching. Paul at done a remarkable job on social media. We have delivered at this stage enough votes to the clear votes to stop this ministry of truth being established. But you can't count your chickens still. The votes are tally, so we've got to keep the pressure up. But again, as many votes as we can. I think it needs to be defeated, and defeated massively, so there's never this terrible idea never arises again.

Speaker 2

Bloody thanks, Lad's to appreciate it. We'll see you all again very soon. Right, that's our show for tonight, the Late Debates standing by now. I was watching their prep before. They're all standing around a monitor studying something like the Zabruta film. Don't know what I was, but we'll all find out together shortly. See tomorrow

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