From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, geta Gay, Happy Tuesday. So much to get to, including just how close we actually came to a rate hike today The Reserve Bank told us there wasn't even a discussion about cutting rates. To get to that in a second. Oh, Albo's still doing his best to suck up at the China, as you've heard all night tonight. And believe it or not, the plan to replace Biden, somebody's actually putting some details to it. I'll get to it all in a moment.
But first I noticed as a national show, and I know it's always dangerous to lead with state politics, but there is a figure that is quite specific to our audience that I'm very sure you would know when I mentioned his name, Matt Kean. Matt Keener is the current shadow Health Minister because he was a very big reason why the Liberal Party lost to the last state election in New South Wales. Well today, this man, who was more comfortable in teal or green company, has decided that
he is going to leave politics. He claims he's leaving all forms of politics and it is essentially immediately because there's a wonderful place for him apparently somewhere in the business community. But the effects of him on politics, not just in New South Wales but for liberal politics is something worth talking about because I feel it's a bit
of a good ridden stay now. Today was the News of Wales budget and the budget was handed down by a Labor party that, yes, like every quote unquote new government is still blaming the former government, but very specifically today, before anyone even knew Matt Kean was going out the door, the current Treasurer, who's had his own problems, pretending that Donald Trump is the biggest threat of the New South
Wales economy. Okay, settle Down was taking a shot at Matt Kean, who, because he couldn't become leader, had to settle for second best, and that was Treasurer to Dominique Perrote, while undermining Perote at every chance he could, and of course losing the election in the process.
New South Wales can also stabilize its debt trajectory because the government is discontinuing the previous government's plans to borrow vast sums of money to artificially enlarge the New South Wales Generations Fund. Put simply, we will put an end to the fiction that by plunging the state further into debt, we will eventually get the state out of debt.
But moments after the budget was released, Matt Keen decided, of course, to make it all about himself. Today was the day when he had to tell us what some people have been seeing for some time. But yeah, he's pulling the penies getting out of politics. Then he goes at the courtyards of Parliament, gets the cameras with him and of course steals the spotlight from the treasurer who replaced him.
After thirteen years as the Member for Hornsby. I'll be retiring from parliament.
So don't you love these people? There was an election a couple of years ago in New South Wales. He wanted to remain as the Treasurer of New South Wales. But of course, after losing the chance to be the treasurer, well then he didn't even want to be the leader. He basically hasn't done much as a shadow minister and now it's time to pull the pin. How different the world now is because he's not as powerful as he
used to be. Now, while patting himself on the back like every politician going out the back door, he said this.
I feel I made significant changes are positive changes in energy policy in my time as the Minister for Energy, so I intend on continuing to try and make an impact in the energy industry in the private sector.
Now, the idea that a former minister going directly into the private sector of which they either helped generate through their policy or helped regulate through their policy would generally
speaking be iffy. But of course, because his is all about energy and renewables, exactly what I have been saying all the time when he was pushing New South Wales over a cliff with a race towards renewables, that what he was really doing was burnishing his CV four what would eventually be his real future, and that would be something somewhere near the private sector. Well, all of that has now come out now, whether that's ethical or not,
I think we can both agree whether it's legal or not. Well, of course, surprise, surprise, he's waited a magical two years since being a minister, So maybe the system now works in his favor that he can go and now work in the very sectors that he made decisions for that
clearly were advantageous to those companies. With no intention at all of corruption, but a very convenient scenario that the industry that he helped grow through his decisions in government well becomes the one that he says he now wants to go off and work to in the private sector. Now,
I don't know playing to run his own business. Is he's going to go and join fellow former lefty liberals running certain companies that of course then turn around and remember when it came to the ghost he and Mike cannon Brooks, who was a billionaire, was able to get money out of the federal government to help them build more solar panels. You see, if you know the system, then you know how to the system should work. Again,
all strangely above board. But when he talks about wrapping himself for the energy grid, now we can remember that there was no other time in recent history when the citizens of our biggest state were being told to ration power. Now. This wasn't because we're in the middle of a world war. This wasn't because there was some giant accident that had knocked out part of the power system in a natural disaster.
This was because it was going to be a day when lots of people were going to be using electricity because of the weather. And this is what Matt Kean said as the then Energy minister. This is what he is proud of when it comes to his legacy in New South Wales politics, whereas the rest of us that are watching on remember him pretty much only for this.
So what we want to see is if there is an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage, so perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed that would help.
Now, of course he claims that he's been thinking about this for some time. In fact, he actually said.
That I've been thinking about this for some time.
Really, how long is a long time? Because it was only a few weeks ago that he was proudly strutting the national stage on Q and A, representing the lefty liberal position and obviously getting a chance to put a few into Peter Dutton, particularly on nuclear policy. So if he was already planning to go on the way out, then he was planning a hit job. If he wasn't planning to go out the back door, well then he
was telling a lie. Today. Now, anyone who knows Matt Kean knows that, of course he is an absolute creature of the factional system inside the Liberal Party. Now, the Liberal Party is just as factionally riven, if not more so, I would say, than the Labor Party. And basically because the Labor Party has a system where we keep our fights indoor, and even the people who we know are on the wrong side of the two thirds of the party that decide to make a different decision, you go
out and argue publicly what the party's position is. Think Penny Wong remember when she had to pretend that she didn't think now was the right time for same sex marriage. But of course in the Liberal Party what ends up happening is that basically the Bedweaders, well, they end up going to the right, meaning that the lefties are the ones who constantly call out their own government. Or conversely, if the bed Wedders go with the left, then it's
the right wing that ends up doing it. And the factional games inside the Liberal Party are ones that the Great John Howard has said are completely unnecessary and are beginning to cause permanent problems for the Liberal Party. Matt Kean's been involved in all of this, and Matt Kean was planning at one point to take his show to Canberra. He wanted to become a federal politician because the area
that he represents in and around Sydney. While safe liberal states at the state level, these are areas that are kind of prime for potential deal growth going into the
next federal election. Now, one of the reasons why Matt Kean, who was the then deputy leader of the Liberal Party, decided not to become the leader of the Liberal Party and that's opposition leader, apart from not wanting to do the hard work when no one's watching, was of course, because all eyes and even in the Turmbul Times, which often got exclusives either named or unnamed from people close to the Keen camp, made it pretty clear he wasn't
running for the leadership because he was thinking about moving to federal politics. Now, there was one of two options that he was exploring. One was to boot out Julian Lisa in the seat of Barrera, but that isn't happening. So the possibility was that he was going to knock
out Paul Fletcher in the seat of Bradfield. But then on Friday we saw perhaps the real reason why today was the announcement that apparently was a long time coming from Matt Keane, and that was that the boundaries have changed in New South Wales about the different types of seats and where the battle lines will be for the
next federal election. The seat of Bradfield, which presumably was one with a low profile Teel candidate who however had set up an alternative MP's office as a way of sort of psychological warfare and stalking Paul Fletcher, but with no indications that Paul Fletcher was going to be going anywhere, and the boundaries changing and the former Member for North
Sydney potentially becoming the candidate in Bradfield. Will guess who magically has decided that, after all of his options ran out when it came to federal politics, that now was the time to say he was getting out of state politics. The party is not better for his service. Yes, the
faction the factional differences are deeper than ever. While he thought that he would be able to pull off, among other things, as a minister, bringing back the ghost of Malcolm Turnbull for a job in the New South Wales government, well, of course that got popped on the head. He was a bloke who when it came to energy policy, was more aggressive than any Teal in any parliament, he would
be happier in the world of Greens. And now because of the way that our system is put together, he now gets to go off and make potentially millions of dollars in a sector that he helped turn greener. I'm sure he loves his family, I'm sure he loves his friends, and I know that it is only the left who assumes the worst in the human being they disagree with
I don't. But when it comes to the public discourse and what he in part, in my view, did to the Liberal Party, including putting it in a position where they lost and lost badly at the last state election, good riddance, goodbye. The Reserve Bank met today and as you know, they don't meet every month, going to meet every few weeks. So when they meet, they obviously are going to make big decisions, big ups, big downs, or in this case, of course, they are holding for yet
another month. Now, of course, that means that those of us that are in the middle of the mortgage squeeze are still as purple as Raybina, with the rates the highest they've been in the best part of a generation. So there is no relief. Well, the relief is that they didn't go up. There is no relief in still things being at modern highs tens of thousands of dollars that you've needed to find to try to pay a house off since Albanesi became the prime minister and Charmers
became the treasurer. But interestingly, today, despite the fact that obviously we were told the federal budget was so amazing and there'd be no inflation re impact and in fact they'd be expecting a cut sooner rather than later, the Reserve Bank boss came out and said they didn't even discuss rate cuts, which meant they only discussed two things today, holding which is what they decided, or putting them up,
which would be extraordinary. But here she is confirming that only two of three options were even discussed today.
No, the case for a cut was not considered.
Not even considered. So all of those predictions that we've been showing you from banks that expect things to be happening at best at the very end of this year or most likely midway through next year, means that the pain that you are feeling and had been feeling every
month continues for many more months to come. In fact, the chance of a rate hike, as remote as it may seem because of the financial difficulties that most people are well Again, the Reserve Bank governor left the door open for things to get worse, for people paying their houses off before they get better.
Recent data have been mixed, but overall I think they reinforce the need to remain vigilant to the upside risks to inflation. We still think we're on the narrow path. It does appear to be getting a bit narrower. We need a lot to go our way if we're going to bring inflation back down to the two percent target range. The Board does need to be confident that inflation is moving sustainably towards target and it will do what is necessary to achieve that outcome.
Now, of course not an economist, but I read plenty about people's thoughts on the Australian economy and it is extraordinary to me that there's even any chance of a rate increase, because yet again more information about just how tough Australians are doing it comes on the very day where this meeting took place. Cost of living, as always politically but more importantly the real world, is the number one issue, as the living cost crunch causes credit stress.
Why because people are starting to fall behind. A new report has concluding that four out of five Australians are suffering from high levels of bill stress, while separate statistics released by the Reserve Bank of Australia and the Banking Regulator highlight just how debt pressures a rising, specifically credit cards. For many people, this the way that they are trying
to get through these dark days of albonomics. Meanwhile, the Reserve Bank figures out this month show that credit card debt attracting interest rates climbed for five months in a row and has jumped four hundred and fifty million million dollars since September. The outstanding amount that currently sits on cards around Australia seventeen billion dollars, current interest rate eighteen
point three percent. That means that three point two billion dollars annual interest bill is currently what is being paid for by struggling households. But of course none of those households have anything to do with the people who run the Australian economy. As I told you first off, the
first cap off the rank last night. The politicians are getting a pay rise, no matter how useless the Prime Minister can be, no matter how unhelpful many of his ministers are, and no matter how terrible the Treasurer is. They are getting yet another pay rise, the third since they came to office. It's the second biggest in a decade. That's because the last one they got was the biggest in the decade, and just after they came to power they also got a pay rise. That's three in a row.
Have you got three in a row since twenty twenty two? Of course not, because they live in the complete other bubble. But then they pretend to understand your problems. They don't. Now, if these politicians were serious, someone anyone anywhere would come out and say, I don't want it, I don't accept it. Let's do something in the Parliament to make sure that they don't happen. But of course, unless the opposition does that,
the government won't do it. In surprise, surprise, nobody seems to be interested in sending that real message that they care, that they don't really need the pay rise. But when the staff around them also get the pay rise, including the person who runs the Prime Minister's department, who will earn four hundred thousand dollars more than the Prime Minister. The public servant a million dollars, the Prime Minister six hundred thousand dollars. Meantime, it's not just the Polleys that
are rolling in extra pay rises. What about the CFMEU. Now we heard this when it was a maybe. Well now it's been confirmed twenty one percent pay rise for people who work with the CFMEU, particularly on work sites in and around Victoria. But it won't be limited to just Victoria. This means you get the absurdity of people
with the stop go signs getting paid two hundred thousand dollars. Now, this was all confirmed, surprise surprise by the union members today, including one of them who was saying twenty percent pay rise is over four years. That's not enough four rangers in the country. The apprentices all have four raptors. But as for the stop and go workers, the people who yes do it in the heat or the cold are also getting two hundred thousand dollars under the new deal.
John Setka, the boss of the CFM, says, it's a pretty our job. People think just standing there with a lollipop sign and you're getting two hundred grand a year. They work massive hours when it's speeding down rain, there's concrete paorse going on. You can't just walk away. You're putting up with all sorts of lunatic drivers, You're putting up with trucks flying pasture. You're putting your life and some other drivers hands all the time, you know. So
two hundred grand apparently is okay. Now, amazingly we hear tonight that the federal government is thinking about a law which way we'll end up breaking up parts of the CFMEU. Now, remember the CFWMEU is the maritime union together with the Construction Union, the Forestry Union and the mining Union. Apparently one of those sections is going to be broken off. Now. The CFMEU, of course, is part of the bobber Boy
network of the labor movement. Now, of course they claim to be fully disassociated with the Labor Party, but how many of them do you reckon? Are out there campaigning for anyone but the left side of politics. So they can pretend that it's arm's length, they can pretend they don't get their donations, but they well and truly get their efforts each and every election. Watch this space. Can you believe it? Two hundred grand stop go penalty. Yes,
I get it, you're outside two hundred thousand dollars. Now, often I take some time to try to explain to you how the sausages made, and just so they say how the sausage is made is kind of uncomfortable and you never really want to know what the ingredients are. Yeah, I'm going to show a version of that tonight because I, like most, if not all, people who talk about politics for a living, what we rely on polls to try to give us an idea of whether things are trending
this way or trending that way. Now, I don't see them as absolute signs down to the half a percent about which what the actual thoughts are of people, but again certainly general trends. Now, as you know, the polls have been telling us something rather consistently for the past few months, and that's been kind. They've been telling us this for at least a year. But among other things, when it comes to cost of living, people's opinions are
turning and turning hard against the federal government Again. Sydney Morning Herald, Channel nine newspapers not part of what we do here and often highly critical of what we do here. So we show you their polling as well as News poll, as well as the Morgan pole, as well as the Essential poll. We try to show you all of these different polls so again we can have a conversation based off data, not just off vibes and the same company,
but a different version the Financial Review. We showed you last night that on the issue of cost and standard of living it is the Liberal Party that is leading thirty six to twenty seven. The Labor Party has lost nine points on this issue since the last election. Of course they were promising to do something about cost of living. But interestingly there was another pole which again I often quote and I will later in the program this evening,
which is the essential pole. I like when they start to really get into the granular details and you're able to even look and they publicly source their information, of which I appreciate, which is that they publicly will show us not just the headline numbers, but then they'll show you the demographics about which age group and which gender group and political lines. It gets complicated if you want to go and have a look. But of course this was the mob who put out the opinion poll and
is published in the Guardian. The Guardian, of course, is where one of the Prime Minister's eleven personal media staff used to come from. I'll make Katherine Murphy not just doing the job for Labor in the Guardian or on the Insiders program, She's now decided to go and do it inside the Prime Minister's office. Well, she would be very happy at what her old alumni published today because they published a list of quests relating to what issues
you ranked the parties on. Now you will notice that a quick glance at the color chart is that the Labor Party is leading on all of these issues. But what are the issues that they decided to focus on, delivering the transition of renewable energy, support the public's health, representing our intersts globally, keeping the public safe, or planning for the future like AI. What's missing? Oh, that's right,
the number one issue in the country cost of living. Now, that either means that they forgot unlikely or they deliberately chose not to ask that question because they couldn't quite trust what the answer was. Now, in fairness, the polling by Essential, I believe is generally pretty good. But when they turn around and list all of the issues, but they leave off the number one issue in the country. Well, maybe I'm just jumping the gun. Perhaps they're doing a
whole on it in two weeks time. But when the results is tumbleweeds on the biggest issue in the country, yet every other poll shows that the government is below water level, is it unfair to say that they knew which question to ask, or more importantly, not to ask
because they thought they might see a different answer. Perfect example of that, of course, is the politics in and around Peter Dutton and the Coalition not wanting to keep to the twenty thirty climate targets that the Greens and Labor passed through the Parliament with the among others, the support of doormat Dave Pocock. It's not a surprise because they didn't stand for them at the last election. They
didn't vote for them, asked after the election. But apparently it's a scandal that they won't be bound by the decisions of their political opponents. They could, in fact, if they had the numbers, choose to pass a different law. Of course, as you know, Pety Dutton very clear on why. While twenty fifty and net zero by twenty fifty is the exact target of the Labor Party and the Liberal Party and the National Party. The destination two twenty fifty
is the debate. The alternative Prime Minister says, whatever the targets are for twenty thirty, Labor won't meet them. So let's not have the fake targets and let's not put one hand behind our back when we're trying to compete with the rest of the world, including China that, as you know, pollutes thirty times more than we do.
And we're fully signed up to net zero by twenty fifty. But if you think it's a linear progression, they will cripple the economy. So I think we have a look at all of that information and if there are settings that we need to change, then we would change them if it means helping families with the cost of living crisis that labor has has created.
And then of course the Prime Minister thought, oh great, awesome, this is this issue is like nine out of ten people agree with me. So let's go to the barricades and pretend that Uga Booger Australian version of.
Donald Trump abandoning the targets, abandoning investment certainty, which will lead to less investment.
Well, Funnily enough, the opinion poll done by the same people who wouldn't ask the question about cost of living was asked about the positions that are currently held by the existing government and the alternative government and guess but it shows It shows that Yes, the majority of Australians currently support the current position when it comes to the forty three percent energy target, but forty eight percent don't. Now what's interesting here is that what is assumed to
be political death to even go near well isn't. Remember the same polls, same organization told us sixty forty that Yes was going to win because all of the money, all of the institutions, all of the big decision makers had made the decision. Well, this shows us that even before we get to an election, we're not sitting in a sixty forty situation. We're very close to fifty to fifty. And here's the bit that's going to shake some boots
for the Labor Party. Have a look at the number of people who are Labor voters who think that the government's position is the wrong one and Dutton's is the right one. It's thirty four percent of Labor voters. It's the best part of a third of all Labor voters agree with Peter Dutton's position that the current position of Albo is, in Goldilock's terms, too hot or too cold,
depending on the metaphor. Obviously Coalition supporters by a huge number, but again important that thirty three percent are they potential Teal voters. Would you have a straight swap of Labor to liberal voters? Probably not, but there could be some churn there. Unsurprisingly, a quarter of Greens think that the current situation is too hot and we should be thinking twice about what we're doing with twenty thirty. But interestingly,
minor parties and independence. Now this ideologically is difficult to read because this is everything from the Victorian Socialists to the Teals, to One Nation to Australian Party, but anyone who is apparently part of the double haters and I'll deal with that in a few weeks time. People who hate the two major parties. The majority of those people say that we're in the wrong place. And we're not in the wrong place because we are underdoing it. We're
in the wrong place because we're overdoing it. Nothing to see here, of course. Now interestingly, another poll, and again we don't take them as gospel. We take them as just little litmus tests, a little sort of which way is the win going right? This one from the Sydney Morning Herald. Have look at the change in Australian politics since the last election. You see the next one. Guys Albo thinks that everything is the same politics as it
was in twenty twenty two. Well, guess what's changed. Climate change is a serious, urgent problem. We should be taking action now, even if it involves significant costs and sacrifices. That was fifty one percent of people back in twenty twenty one, it's now forty one percent of people. Climate change is a gradual process, so we can deal with the problem gradually by taking small steps over time. Was
twenty seven now thirty two percent. Until we are sure that climate change is a real problem, we should only consider action that has no significant cost. Has gone from twelve to eighteen percent. Fascinating to see how the politics is not what the politics was in twenty twenty two.
Exactly what we knew was the case that in that election they were able to put lipstick on the pig the people had always voted against by saying two hundred and seventy five dollars on your power bills when we all know that can never happen and nobody's going to fall four the three hundred dollars or twenty five dollars a month in power bill credits for every mansion in the country and every one bedroom unit in the country.
We know that that's just a distraction to get them through an election, so they can turn around and say, it's twenty twenty five and we lowered your power bill by three hundred dollars. Remember I told you take the power bill from May twenty twenty two, put it on your fridge. If it's cheaper than that number, and I mean real cheaper than that number, not this sort of garbage that they're playing with, but it's actually cheaper than that,
then vote labor. But of course it's way up, which is probably the reason why you should think twice, because it's only going to keep going up as they push in their transition to get to the targets for twenty thirty that remember, are essentially meaningless because it is China that can continue to do whatever it wants until twenty thirty. Now.
A couple of other shows have mentioned this tonight, but there's an interesting little pushback when it comes to the explosion of renewable energy projects, particularly in places like Victoria. Now we've told you about the people in and around Ballarat who've had enough of that process. Yet at the state election to many of them voted labor, so essentially
no message was delivered to the Victorian government. Well, interestingly, the local CFA volunteers have turned around and said they are refusing to fight fires that have been caused by some of the stuff that is being put in place
as part of the renewable energy revolution. The brigade has written a letter to the state government and it says they want an immediate halt of all current and proposed high voltage transmission lines and renewable energy infrastructure projects, and the demands of the government give genuine consideration to the concern and acknowledge the negative impacts for people and communities. Now this matters because one thing that absolutely can start a bush fire is if there's high winds and power
lines start banging together. Remember that has been the exclusive reason as to why some bushfires that have killed people in Victoria have started. And more transhibit mission lines means potentially greater sources or threats. When it comes to fires, the people who would fight those fires are now turning around and saying, we're not going to fight those fires. We won't be doing so because you are putting us
in a difficult position. You're putting us in a place where we have to fight fires because of what you are doing. When it comes to the high transmission lines now to the United States, as we know, crime in the United States worth talking about because despite the fact the FBI says that it is starting to taper off, the reality is compared to where it was a few years even earlier than that. There's a great sense of crime being a massive problem in the US and great
cities like Los Angeles that I love very much. I love going to LA, but it's not what it used to be. Pretty dank and pretty dirty. Well, how's this for a story. A Secret Service agent who was there in part to guard Joe Biden when he was in Los Angeles for the big fundraiser a couple of days ago. Guess what robbed at gunpoint? Roll of tape.
A secret agent who was here for President Biden's visit to LA was robbed at gunpoint on Saturday. Official say the agent had just finished work when the armed robbery occurred and a testin neighborhood. The agent ended up firing their gun. The saaspact or suspects got away, but this surveillance footage you see it here, got a shot of their Silver Infinity. Police say the agent's bag was stolen, but some belongings have now been recovered.
Of course, it was there in Los Angeles for the giant fundraiser, all sorts of celebrities like George Clooney and George Clooney and a whole bunch of other ones that were there. Julia Roberts, Jack Black, thank you to the people who way you appreciate it well. A story that popped up today on the Daily Mail's website is their federal political editor. Now, yes, they used to work for
bright Bart. This will be written nup as a reason why to ignore the story, but big bold and exclusive headline that they had today the secret Democratic plot to replace Biden. Dailymail dot com has learned that if Joe Biden stumbles when it comes to the debate coming up in a couple of weeks, you'll see it here on Sky News that if his polling numbers keep following, then it will take a united front of liberal grandees to make Joe throw in the towel. Who are they talking about?
They would say that they would be a face to face meeting with Joe Biden and Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer. They would all have to go in and tell him, sorry, Boss, time to pull out. But of course the White House says, no problem to see here because he's playing mental chess.
But the president is playing chess and the former president at fasta is playing like hungry, hungry hippo.
Yeah, sure, I think the chess is being played by somebody else. Tiddley Weeks might be probably what Biden's getting involved in. Quick break back with more lots of talk about Joe Hildebrand and Senator Holly Hughes. We know you love when they agree all of the time, and they will agree all of the time straight after the break, including about Albo failing surprise, surprise to stand up to China. That and a whole lot more. Love to know what Holly thinks of Matt Kaine. We're in a second, Thanks
very much for watching. She should be in the man cap, but there's other things to do. Why Holly Hughes is currently joining us now, I think from Melbourne. How are your Rockster.
I'm in Melbourne, thank you very much, miss you. I wore the velvet so I could be close to the man cave.
Thank you. And he's taking a couple of minutes out from well, not just advising the Prime Minister informally, not just doing a great podcast with the good people at over, not just writing for the Daily Telegraph or appearing here at Sky News, but more importantly Candy Crush, he's none of them. The wonderful joke, thank.
You, thank you very much. And no I wore this kerchief just to sit on my respect for you, Paul.
I know how much thank you dressed ug for me.
I did, Holly.
And I love the fact that these days now, when someone asks you how you are, it's efficient to say I'm in Melbourne.
All right. Well, let's get to this politicians.
It's how it works.
Third pay rise in a turn, third pay rise. Now, Chris Bins, who could well and truly give plenty of advice to the Prime Minister about how to do things, he's turned around and said wage freeze in New South Wales. Right, Why wouldn't Albot come out and do exactly the same thing, Joe. The third pay rise this.
Term, I honestly do not know.
I'm sure we're going to hear plenty of statements saying this is a matter for the Remuneration Time Authority.
I don't know how New South Wales managed to do it.
I actually was just at a New South Wales government function where the state budget was handed down and this was one of the measures that. You know, while it doesn't necessarily save a huge amount of money in real dollars, the message it sends is absolutely invaluable, which is that we're not asking anyone else to make sacrifices until we make them first, and that that is just laid down you know, politics one oh one, So don't I don't know why there wouldn't be some kind of wage freeze federally.
Now, Holly, you're in the ultimate position here to be able to tell us all to get stuff. Who cares? We deserve more money than ever before because you have such freedom now to be able to say such things. But do you not think that the problem?
I do?
I do have freedom third pay rise in a term.
Surely they can turn around and say, okay, not this.
Top You know what though, I mean, the focus is going to be on federal parliamentarians who are still getting paid at less than a quarter of what secretaries of departments are being paid. And I actually think there is a massive disconnect because any minister of a government that is well, you know, in the old days ministers obviously with Andrew Giles. Now that doesn't happen, but ministers used to be accountable.
For what occurred.
And the department heads are receiving now over a million dollars a year, which is nothing what the ministers are being paid. Yet the ministers are the one who technolog should lose their job if everything goes pear shaped. But the other thing I'd just like to point out, and there is a misconception still in the Australian you do not.
Have super forever that ended in two thousand and four.
We do not.
There is no such thing as a parliamentary pension anymore. I mean people have even said to me since the pre selection, all at least you get the pension.
No I do not.
When I leave in a year's time, there is nothing, thank you very much, pat on the ass, see you later. So there is no pension there anymore. But look even Amy Ramichez wrote in The Guardian saying that the lack of the sort of pension for parliamentarians is a problem because why wouldn't parliamentarians spend their last year, the last few months whatever, sorting up their next gig, which brings us to still got school fees, they've still got a mortgage.
But they're great community people, they're great volunteers, they're great leaders of their community. But instead of them being able to go and use those skills, they're forced to look for employment. I mean, Scott Morrison is the first Prime Minister to leave with no pension whatsoever. And I personally think it's disgraceful that we throw a prime minister of
this country out with nothing, no support. Now, this is not something that Albaneze would face, and it's not something that Dutton would face, because both of them were elected four two thousand and four when it just got rid of But we now have a former Prime minister who has no staff, no office, no nothing. And I actually think that's embarrassing for us as a country.
All right, So let's get to the mat keen of it all. So look, I say, you don't let the door hit you blah, blah blah ah, I don't care, right, good luck. But in his announcement today and I think it was time to be underneath the cover of the budget and all the rest of it was the actual detail, which was, Yep, I'm pulling the pin. Who cares, that's politics, But I'm going off to work in the very sector
that I used to regulate. So he stopped the second version of the retirement story, which is where's he going to pop up? Now? Again, this is all above board. I'm not suggesting corruption all the rest of it for those that are looking to slay a dragon on his behalf.
But to me and maybe it, it's into the pension system, which is, if you've got a scenario where your parliamentary career is going to be about ten years and you end up being in a ministry that ends up helping a lot of other people grow their businesses or change their business well, isn't that the retirement plan? And while again it is not corrupt, the perception of oddity I think builds with all of this.
Yeah, I think there's a couple of things.
One is, I suppose you know you don't want someone someone who knows a lot about a particular area could be an invaluable asset in the non government sector and in the private sector.
You know, if I certainly know how to apply for the government, that's right.
So lining their own pockets so they can so they can get in the door of the next Defense Minister or the next whoever it is, or the next energy minister, or whether or not they're actually providing, you know, so what should be valuable into the record.
His expertise is is an accountant, that's right, but by trade he's an mechanical career.
I think it was to his credit. I think that he said this is clearly what I'm going to do. He then has to go and seek the approval of the Parliamentary Ethics Committee or some such that will say yay or nay, you can do this. I thought what was a bit unbecoming is that he did it when his successor, his treasurer, was handing down the budget.
It was obviously an.
Attention seeking device to sort of detract from that. And I thought it was a bloody good budget too. I have to say, of course, you stop and stop five billion dollars going social that's amazing, that's amazing. But but yeah, I thought that was a bit unbecoming, and you know,
politicians don't have many friends outside of politics, offered. I think you know when you when you're actually going out and it's the time when you know, Sam and Ralph, the sheep dog and the wolf can just sort of shake hands and call it a day.
I don't know why you.
Holy you use the Liberal Party the better for me, So, honey, there are lots of us with friends outside of politics, and a lot of us were smart enough to keep our friends outside of politics very sick from politics, because you know, it's.
Always important to have a touch with the real world, but know that your whole world is not.
Going to be this.
So I would like to say I have very dear friends outside of politics and always have had.
So you know, let's talk about Matt. That's a big cruel.
Let's talk about Matt. Change the Liberal Party for the better mate.
Yeah, probbs not in my view, but that's because I have a very different view of perspective from him when it comes to energy and the security of energy and how we need to work going forward. I have to say, though, I've spent the last two days in a menopause inquiry, so I'm actually not up speed on what the new South Wales budget was today because I have been neck date in Menopause inquiry.
That case, take my word, Harry was fantastic.
Mate. I will follow up tomorrow when I.
Get to verify that information, I.
Will double check that. But I do appreciate your input, Joe.
I'm friends with you.
Mack was only a week ago saying he wasn't interested in moved to federal politics after he was touted as maybe wanting to knock off Paul Fletcher. I mean, who knows in this game, but I certainly read a statement that he put out and it seemed to me that he already had something lined up in the energy sector. Reading maybe between the lines, but certainly what he put out.
I don't know how state parliament.
Works, but I do think there's a period of time that you have to wait from when you were a minister in a particular area before you can go and work in that area.
And maybe he's done that time. I don't know.
Well, perhaps he wants to take a term off to come back as a deal. Who knows, but we'll all wait and see, because I've got a feeling we'll hear from him from a long time, and no doubt he'll warp into one of the many former politicians that we've been critical of who will all unite in their one true hatred, which is us. More than a second year on Paul Murray Live, plenty to talk about, including that data that shows that we aren't back in the twenty
twenty two election when it comes to climate change. In fact, it's close to fifty to fifty about whether we keep pushing the way the left wants us to or it's time to pull up. Thanks for watching. Holly is in Melbourne and in the man Cave right now, is other than the lovely Joe Hildebrand. So let's get to two. The politics that is turning around the twenty thirty emissions
targets now. When we all read the trumped up stuff last week, and remember we went on that journey from the interview in The Australian to the spin, what was really going on. My first instincts, I won't lie, was
to go hang on the politics. What we're is this right, But of course it's never You're never fighting one election forever, right, Like clearly Scott Morrison was not fighting the twenty twenty two or the twenty nineteen election in twenty two, and conversely Elbow will not be fighting the twenty two election in twenty four or twenty five. But he thinks that he did. Why because it's like all politicians, the last one that he won and I've still got the special collection.
But even when the Guardian polling shows you that it's fifty two forty eight. As whether we should keep to forty three percent and the twenty thirty target of Labor and the Greens or whether we go with the Peter Dutton model, that is a change in the politics, the
romantic trains in the politics. So Joe, I think for those that are advocating for the Prime Minister's position on this, and we went through up and down and a hell and high water and all the rest of it, right, is that as soon as cost gets involved, people's opinion changes, absolutely correct. That's where we are now, right, Yeah, that's right.
And that even came up when we were doing the net zero series at news Court, which I was very privileged to play a leading role in. We conducted, we commission, our own po asked that very question and everyone believed in action on climate change until there was a cost to it, and the high that cost got, the fewer and fewer people seem to rate it as a sort of must do protest area. And that was before the
cost of living stuff was really biting. Now and again, you compared it to the Voice in your opening monologue that you can see notwithstanding they're just the shambles that was the Voice official campaign.
There's a correlation, don't you.
But as the cost of living started to buy it and interest rates went up and up and up and up and up, support for the voices this sort of abstract, distant, big, sort of grand national gesture or whatever. It goes down, down, down, down, down out so and it is so simple. It's not rocket science. Everyone knows it. Holly knows it. People will say they want action, people can afford to think about big picture stuff, big nation building stuff, vision stuff, long
term stuff, abstract stuff. They'll support it till the cows come home, when they don't have to worry about things that are happening in the here and now.
As soon as there are.
Real pressures to your household, to education costs, putting food on the table, everything else goes out the window.
And that's where we are now guys in the control and if we can bring back that image, and I showed during the editorial that showed the change in things from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three. While Holly's talking to here, it does mean that that in a trend line, things are starting to move back to the position that Peter Dutton is saying here, and I think rightly so, which is we agree on the destination at Zerra twenty fifty. I'll see you there. You can go
your way. I'm going to go my way. His bet is that nuclear at some point supercharges to that goal. That's his bet. It's not the Greens and Labor. But I tell you what my instinctive feeling about the electorate is that while many of the loud voices are still in there for the teals and on Channel two, the people in the middle are going mate. Sorry, I know it's important, but get back to me in a couple of years time, and trying to pay off my house, you know.
But this is the same, you know, for those who've been around politics for a really long time and followed it closely for a really long time, this is the cycle, and the cycle has always been put the coalition government in, they get the budget back under control, economic conditions back under control. People start to be feeling very comfortable. Their life is going well, they can afford what they need
to afford. Everything's you know, hunky dory in their lives, so they can start to think about the big issues. And you know, we've had the doctors' wives, we've had all the different types of different ways of putting it, but at the end of the day, it's always been the same sort of political cycle that when everything's going well, and to Joe's point, people like to think about the
big issues. But when they can't put food on the table, when they can't pay their energy bills, when their mortgage is out of control, or they can't find a rental, then all of a sudden, it becomes a little bit about more me and what my family's experiencing, not what I need to do for the greater good. And you know,
I think this is where we're seeing climate change. Was that everyone was like, oh, climate change, Absolutely, we're all in favor of supporting things that are going to reduce emissions, that are all going to make the world a better place. When the reality is where one point three percent of global emissions. China is outstripping us almost weekly on what they're contributing to them, yet they're excluded from Paris as
are developing nation. People are starting to wise up to this sort of rhetoric, but they're also seeing the costs that are being absolutely inflicted on them via this zealotry and ideology chasing by Chris Bowen. And they're starting to say, we can't afford this. My job's not secure, I can't afford to pay the rent or the mortgage, I can't put groceries on the table. Like this is getting out of control, and I think we're starting to see that.
And as you said rightly at the beginning, people are interested in these sorts of issues when they can afford to be interested in them when they can't afford their basics.
Sorry, not my problem.
I always do love. By the way, were the channel on newspapers find in their polling what you had two years ago, I'm god, I do appreciate it. Thank you very much. Guys do appreciate it. Thank you, Joe, thank you, Holly. Now a reminder not this next Sunday we are going to be in McGregor. Which of Course a suburb of Brisbane for our town. If you would like to join us, you know what to do. Send me an email right now to ourtown at skynews dot com dot You know
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