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Paul Murray Live | 17 September

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Paul calls out the PM's empty election threat, Australia's business community fires up at Anthony Albanese. Plus, Nigel Farage joins from London to discuss the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1

From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray life. It may not surprise you, but from time to time I have played cirkum machines. Oh no, terrible right, many of them are involved in RSL clubs. But is it time for the RSL club to be no longer called the RSL Club? We'll explain why in a moment or two. Is time. Nigel Farras joins us tonight. Cannot wait for it, and lots of more detail from what you've already heard about what Trump has had to say about what happened to him yesterday.

Speaker 2

I would have loved to have thank that last, but but we decided let's get out of here.

Speaker 1

As you know, housing in this country is a very significant issue. There is not enough places for people to buy, there is not enough places for people to rent, and of course we have a system where we just bring on in hundreds of thousands of more people each and every year. The federal government thinks the way to solve all of this is, of course to throw more money at the problem, but specifically not really homes that you and I would be able to get access to. Of course,

it's generally speaking about social housing. Housing Commission homes and the Prime Minister is not getting his way because the Greens are saying no, everyone else in the Parliament is saying no. So today Albow threw the ultimate toy out of the cot that any Australian Prime minister has the opportunity to do, and that is to threaten that if they don't get what they want out of the Senate and it is rejected twice, then we would be off to a double disillusion election. Try not to laugh.

Speaker 3

You could go to a D day, though I probably won't go to a D day because it wouldn't be a great result for you, would it.

Speaker 4

Well, well, wait and see.

Speaker 1

Now. Of course, the bad result that to Andrew was referring to there was that in a double disolution election, it doesn't really matter what happens downstairs, because it's still all of the normal seats. You need seventy six to become the government. But in a double disillusion what you do is, rather than have harm of the Senate up for grabs with the other half sitting around for another three years, you wipe everyone and you go back to

the start. Every spot in the Senate would become available. But as that other strategic political genius the ghost Malcolm Turnbull worked out if you have a double dissolution and all of the Senate is up for grabs, then the bar to actually get people elected to the Senate is halved. Literally half as many votes as you would need to get in on a half Senate or normal election would be the case in a double dissolution. Now that would mean, given the current polls, there would be more Greens in

the Upper House. It would potentially mean that there would be more Libs in the Upper House. Of course, the cross Bench two would most likely explode, just like it did again when that guy playing four D chess did it in twenty sixteen. And if you halved the quota for people to get into the Senate, there'd be more people from one nation, more people from the Lambing network, probably more people from United Australia Party, and definitely another teal that would end up getting up, most likely in

places like the Act. But there's other people who would be added to the cross beach. Now the Prime Minister thinks, look more of the people who generally vote with me. Who cares? The problem is it could go in any different direction. Legalized cannabis most likely would get pretty close to winning a Senate seat. Their vote is very close, and they have representatives in the Victorian, New South Wales

and Western Australian parliaments. What about the libertarian movement? Libertarian movement formerly of the Liberal Democrats, has had people elected to the parliament before. They do okay in Victoria, they're doing particularly well in New South Wales. Could they end up going in And of course, when you have a look at the overall trajectory of the polls, the Prime Minister can threaten all he wants, call is bluff because if there was an election, he would get his backside

handed to him. He would lose majority, he would go into minority. As we showed you last week or last night, I should say, there's some analysis that both parties could end up in the minority position. Don't forget you want to talk about the poll's Prime Minister before you put out your piss week threats. Fifty seven percent of people have told the Red Bridge polling organization they cannot name one thing, not one thing that you have done since

you became Prime minister to make people's life better. There is, of course the polling that exists, as you've already just seen from the resolve people. That show fifty three percent of people say the current prime minister's performance in most recent weeks is poor or very poor. So good luck, Pale, make whatever threat you want, pour whatever sugar you need

into the press. Galleries year that everything is just the same as it was before the twenty twenty two election, because just as it wasn't the same as the twenty nineteen election, trying to turn the twenty and twenty five election into the twenty sixteen election will have exactly the same result. A first term government will get a whole collection of seats smashed out off their record. But unlike the Ghost who had a backbench thanks to the win of Tony Abott in two and thirteen, you don't have

any backbench to burn. You have a majority government of just two seats. It is inevitable that every first term government loses seats. We saw it in twenty ten with Gillard and Rudd. We saw it in two thousand, sorry, in nineteen ninety eight when it came to John Howard. We saw it in two thousand and sixteen when it was the Ghost. So good luck, you make your threats. The Greens think they're in a sweet spot when it comes to housing, particularly in and around Southeast Queensland, because

their focus is utterly on renters. The Opposition think that they're in a sweet spot because they believe that people should be able to access things like their superannuation to be able to get something resembling a deposit, to be able to buy a house. And while there is tens of thousands of people who are waiting on public housing waiting lists, I'm not sure too many of them don't

already vote for your Prime minister. And then there's of course two very different groups who would barely agree ever, who think the Prime Minister is the problem, who think that his government is the problem. And while he parties around thinking that he's the celebrity Prime Minister, the reality is that this is a guy who doesn't impress anyone. As you've heard tonight Chief Executives via the Business Council

of Australia, they're having a dinner right now. The Prime mint is coppying it between the eyes from the business community. He also copped it between the eyes today for the man who led the ACTU when the Labor Party truly reformed the economy back in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties. Let's go back to what the bosses have had to say. Chief executives of the nation's biggest companies are warning that

Australia is losing our way and taking steps backwards. The person who represents the Business Council, who represents companies like BHP, the Banks, Accounting, First West, Farmers, Hancock, Prospecting, Telstra, Atlasian and Quantas, say the country is losing its way. Instead of taking big steps on the things the matter, we're taking incremental but noticeable steps backwards. Of course, the Prime Minister already had a response to these evil business leaders.

Speaker 3

Is it really the time to be hitting businesses with your wave of ir reforms, increasing red tape and requirements on business.

Speaker 4

Let's be very clear those reforms have passed and under those reforms. This Thursday, two days time, the clock's ticking on whether we will reach one million new jobs being created since we're elected to government. So what we're seeing is more jobs being created. We are seeing higher wages, We're seeing continued growth, We're seeing a continued rise in business investment. We're seeing all of those factors.

Speaker 1

Of Course, as I've shown you many times before. When it comes to the economic growth, this country is more like the car that's out of tune, that's idling at the traffic lights and just slightly creeping forward. But then there's Bill Kelty, former boss of the Australian and the Act you the Trade Union. He says that we need a labor party in which big issues are confronted, describing the other an easy government instead as mired and mediocrity.

The government needs a greater dose of imagination. The Labor Party seems to have lost its way, so the bosses the unions are saying the same thing. The Prime Minister just thinks you're stupid and are too busy to notice.

Speaker 4

Well, I don't accept the premise because every indication is certainly not that. I'm very confident that when Australians focus on what the next term is about, a government that's making a difference to the economy, a government that what's an economy to work for people, not the other way around.

Speaker 1

Brother. Of course, the reality, this is what I've spoken about for years now, is that the economy that they talk about is the economy that the government's able to give itself a gold star for the one that talks about, say, budget surpluses, not budget deficits. The economy in terms of you and I is that we're in recession for six quarters in a row, the best part of eighteen months.

We've all gone backwards. The only reason that we are sputtering in terms of growth is because of the number of public servants that have been hired, the pay rises to the public servants, the amount of infrastructure spending that state governments are borrowing billions of dollars to build, which in part also is pushing up inflation, an inflation rate that, by the way, in Australia is doing worse than places

like the United Kingdom, the United States or Canada. And when the Prime Minister talks about growth again, stats baby, we've got them here. We've got the data, not just the opinion, not just the Catherine Wheel of showbiz. We've got the data to prove it. Powe. This is Australia in anemic growth. Remember as soon as there's a minus, as soon as you go under zero percent for two quarters in a row, then you're in a recession. We are barely barely growing. Yet the Prime Minister says, well, look

at us one point five percent growth. We are doing better than insert country. Insert country, Well what about the United States? The United States were inflation at one point hit the best part of nine percent. It's the number one issue in the upcoming federal election and if anything, would be the sole reason why there may be a change of president. Look what their growth is compared to

out growth right now. The Prime Minister likes to tell himself a whole collection of stories that he has a special connection with the Australian politics that Peter Dutton could never possibly replicate. That if he tells you that he's helped you out with two little too late tax cuts, you're too stupid to notice that despite the fact that he promised to cut your energy bill by two hundred

and seventy five dollars. Instead there's a twenty five dollar credit, maybe for the next twelve months to get you through an election. But of course that twenty five dollar credit comes after your bills are already gone up by the best part of one thousand dollars. The Prime Minister and the people around need to understand that. In the same way, when you point to the stock market as an example of how amazing the economy is going, the reality of

every day people's lives is all that matters. Because while the big companies may matter, and the big unions may matter, and the big media mates may matter, there's about seventeen million Australians who once every couple of years get the chance to say whether they want to rehire or fire a government. And the polls right now suggest that minority

government is a virtual inevitability. You see Anthony Abernez, he may well think and the people around him that if they just show lots of black and white images of Peter Dutton and say cut, cut, cut, and pretend that he wants to put a nuclear reactor in everyone's backyard. The reality is that when this government was hired, it was under a promise of doing better. Instead everything got worse. There was one interest rate rise under the previous government.

There have been twelve under this one. So you tell yourself your stories. The reporters will write them down, shove them through the air like you want them to. But the reality of the people sitting on the other end, they go, I'm sorry. Remember almost sixty percent of Australians cannot say one thing that this government has done to make their lives any better. Good luck with that proposition at an election. Prime Minister. Meantime, I've got another bit

of news for you in and around cost of living. Now, some deep data thinkers have been having a look at whether people have been spending their two little too late tax cuts, and the assumption is no, they haven't been, which is good because it means it's not been pushed towards inflation. However, one of the reasons why people are holding on to what very little of the too little, too late that they had is because they are expecting mega tax bills to be coming their way. Those maybele

of all he started coming. We learned today by the Cidny Morning Herald that the Australian Tax Office is getting ready as we are all doing our returns, to come after business and individuals. They claim there's about one hundred billion dollars in the Australian economy an unpaid tax. So of course they will pretend they're going to shake down

the companies. The reality is they will shake down the small business, the sole trader, anyone with an ABN, anyone who decides to claim as legally they can, the amount that they use their car to go toward from work put simply you. Meantime, we also learned today about several issues when it comes to housing. Again, nothing to see here. Housing is not a problem, it's all a problem. In the Senate might have a double dissolution about it. No,

the QE for renters. The queue for people to buy houses gets longer because of this government's repeated obsession with bringing hundreds of thousands of people into the country. We learned today that figgers that were released to The Australian by the Liberal senator Dean Smith show there was evidence of mortgage stress, particularly in places like Tasmania, with a seventy two percent increase in the number of mortgage holders

that were falling into arrears. On over the economy's amazing prime minister sixty four percent increase in South Australia, sixty two percent jump in Queensland, forty four percent rise in Western Australia. And then there's of course the people who are trying to build their dream home, because you see, the property market isn't just about people who want to buy their one bedroom unit, but maybe the people who

want to buy the place for their family. They want it design just the way they like, so they say about their cash and they hire a builder. Now many builders have gone bus because the price they quoted you a year ago or two years ago, they can't deliver because guess what, the cost of building a house has gone up by forty percent and not bay up in the past twelve months. I'm saying before the pandemic, forty percent higher than it was a couple of years ago.

In fact, Australians are spending as much as fifty seven percent more to build a brand new house than before the pandemic. Most expensive places Victoria, what a surprise, least

expensive Queensland. But don't think it's all rosy for people in Queensland, because we learn this week as well about people in Queensland, specifically Brisbane who actually live up the hill a little bit that they are still being slugged with huge increases in insurance premiums, which, as we've shown you many times over many months, over a couple of years now, is a massive factor in the inflation number that remember, is higher than other parts of the world.

Some Brisbane people trying to ensure their home have seen a jump of up to ten times because of new council maps, and it means that just because someone lives in the same local government area as you, but they live at bottom of the hill, but you live halfway up or on the top, then all of you will pay the same. Oh, but the economy is amazing, and if we have a double disillusion election, Labor will do so well. Such a tactical genius who can annoy both

the business community and the union community. See nothing now. We earlier this year had the Queensland local government elections, and all the weekend just gone we had the new South Wales local council elections. Much of the headlines out of that were people talking about the Sidney Lord Mayor and Clover Moore winning an eight hundredth year in power. Does she buy herself a new choker every time? Who

knows quite the collection. But some people are now starting to dig into the other results that came out of the new local government elections, including that apparently the Labor Party was starting to get itself into a little bit of trouble, particularly in Western Sydney. But you know, the economy is amazing. Wouldn't everyone vote Labor at the next election.

The political strategist to at one point in time work for the Labor Party who now does the red Bridge Pole, because Samaras said the party was struggling in this traditional heartland at western Sydney and the RBNZ government should be concerned about the next federally concerned he's trying to call

on a double dissolution. Good luck meantime, With the Liberal Party unavailable due to their own stupidity and factional nonsense not being on the cards, there was a center right party that did particularly well, the Libertarian Party formerly the Liberal Democrats Party. They deserve a shout out that they should have got yesterday. I'm sorry I give it to them today because I was distracted by events in the

United States. They won fifteen council seats and that's huge because put simply, they have one seat in the New so of Wales Parliament, but they they have one seat in the Victorian Parliament. They have clearly support and libertarianism I think is probably a little bit more popular once people actually know what it is. But the brand of the Libertarian Party did particularly well, and it did well in lots of different places, including in and around the

outer fringes of Sydney in an area called Camden. Today as part of the celebration. They were out and about saying that literally every single development application that will be lodged by that candidate by that council will be approved by a libertarian because they believe in getting on with it. But the reason I talk about all of this now is there is a huge blind spot for the center right and right of Australian politics. Too often it is

arrogant about the role local government plays now. In many ways, I have said to lots of people who've run lots of minor parties over the years, why don't you run candidates at local government? Just say roads rates rubbish and will keep Australia. Unsurprisingly, most people who don't know anything about whom they're voting for would probably vote for that

because at least they know what they're getting. But there's a second reason why political parties should put effort into the people whom they a local council, not just to be counselors, but potentially mayors, because guess what happens when a local community gets to know and like a mayor, they can run for state parliament and they often end up winning seats in state parliament. The same could be

said in federal Parliament. Christy McBain I think, is a rising star of the Labor Party, so former mayor, and she of course has won the seat of eden Minera, which apparently was remember the Bellweather seat, but it didn't matter. It's now locked in as virtually a safe seat. She was one of the mayors in and around that part of the south coast of New South Wales, in and

around the fires. My point is this, everyone focuses on winning a Senate seat, because understandably that's a big game, but why not run more people with very clear traditional values at local council level. Maybe they can stop the local councils getting outside their lane. Maybe they can become the mayor, maybe they can be seen as somebody who's upholding a whole series of traditions. And then that base you get to work off to become a state MP

and eventually a federal MP. Too many center right parties start at the Senate and yes it's always hard to find people, but even if you can't find candidates, why not do surveys of the candidates that are running and say this is the one that's most like us, this is the one who's promised to do the things that we've asked them to do. So world under the Libertarian Party, not just on their results, but on having the courage to actually go and start at the bottom of the

political pyramid, because it does eventually bear fruit. It eventually produces federal members of Parliament. It means communities get to know you over years and years, and then the personal vote can often overcome whatever garbage is being thrown into a local area from a local or national media who frankly don't know what they're talking about. So well done

again the Libertarian Party and everyone involved in it. The more you read about Libertarianism, the more sense it makes to me, at least Jeff Kennet when he has plenty to say, and he is an iconic figure of Australian politics. Of course, he hasn't been an elected office for a long time, but I love when he just remains part of the debate and fearless. He wrote a great piece today in the Herald Sign which was about why the Greens must go last. Now by extension, I would suggest

that your preferences absolutely matter. They matter at every election and if you're somebody who goes well put them all last. Guess what you get end up with the Labour Party. But if you end up putting the party that you would like to be the government number two, then guess what you'll probably end up with them. We saw the difference between twenty twenty two put them all last in twenty nineteen, when preference discipline meant the revolution was delayed

by three years. Jeff writes today about the Greens and the moral case for why they must go last. The last thing I want to see is a Minori government where the Greens hold the balance of influence. Their behavior recently has been divisive, confrontational and simply un Australian. Many worry about the extreme right, but we should be equally

worried about the extremism of the Greens. My assessment of their policies announced today is that they are simply unaffordable and would guarantee inflation and interest rates remain high, a huge cost to all Australians, particularly are young. The Greens are simply not economically responsible, he continues a few pars later, But it's up to the Australians to reject their extremism. To that end, they represent a very real threat to

the country's cohesion. I've given the opportunity to hold the balance of influence in a federal parliament, Australia is in for a very rough time where quite possibly little will be done or worse. Excellent point. Now let's talk in it around Donald Trump and of course the second attempt on his life in just a few weeks. But amazing to watch this news story again, just fold high hide. It's referred to as an apparent or alleged attempted assassination. Now,

by the way, don't you love this now? Of course, the person who has been arrested, thankfully is behind bars. We will eventually hear what was really going on. You notice the media, of course, doesn't talk much about the fact that when his truck was parked out in the front of the house. Google Earth goes past and guess what, oh, Biden Harristicker. Of course, if it was the other way around and it was a Trump supporter, we'd still be talking about it as the lead story, right, I don't know,

but nothing to see there now. Interestingly, now, local cops this is their sort of big moment in the sun, and sometimes they say things that they probably shouldn't, not because they're telling lies, but because clearly you can see that the more established people around them, from the state or the federal law enforcement, they don't like what they're saying.

Don't say that bit like when that guy yesterday told us that if the president was the sitting president, there would have been more security around him, but because the former president, he doesn't get as much. So cue this bloke and again you didn't see this on your six pm news.

Speaker 5

How's a guy from not here get all the way to Mark to Trump International realize that the president for our president of the United States is golfing and he is able to get a rifle in that vicinity. I think that's the question THATBI Secret Service or laser focused on today. Is this gay part of a conspiracy? Is he a long gun.

Speaker 1

Sh Move on, move on, move on, Jady Van's cats, Jady Vans catz. That's literally what they're doing in America because the media is so bad over there that they think to even investigate this story. Somehow legitimizes that Trump may have died and if that happens, well, then people might have sympathy for him, or they might want to rally around him for fight fight fight, So I don't

talk about it. Doesn't exist, doesn't exist. For their part, some of the people who were playing golf with Trump yesterday have given interviews, including a property developer who was playing golf at the time with Donald Trump on the course where the shooter had been waiting for twelve hours. The whole just up around the corner. He spoke to Hannity today.

Speaker 6

It was terrible, but I got to see I got to see a man who was stoic, courageous, cared about his friend's safety and lot first before his own life. He was an inspiration to everybody who was around him yesterday.

Speaker 1

He of course, had plenty more to say, particularly around the Secret Service, who didn't just shoot in the direction of the person after seeing the barrel, but also getting the president off the course. Apparently there's some sort of high speed golf card that they have.

Speaker 6

You knew immediately it was gun fire. It didn't sound like firecrackers. The Secret Service were exceptional. They had the President secured in my estimation, because I was five yards away from him in my estimation, maybe after the first shot, certainly after the second shot, so by the time the fourth shot rang out, the President was on his way. With that detail, it was as if they had practiced it five hundred times before.

Speaker 1

Now for Donald Trump himself, he has not spoken in front of a camera yet. Instead, he did a Twitter x's session, where it's basically a live podcast. This was with somebody in the crypto space, because apparently this week the plan was to announce some sort of Trump crypto coin. We'll get to that later, but this is what he had to say about the experience. In fact, this is how he describes the moment the shots were fired towards the gunman who was planning to kill him.

Speaker 2

Very peaceful, very beautiful, whether everything was beautiful, It was a nice place to be, and all of a sudden we heard shots being fired in the air and I guess probably four or five and it sounded like bullets.

Speaker 1

But what do I know about that? But Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets.

Speaker 2

I was with an agent, and the agent did a fantastic There was no question that we were off that course.

Speaker 1

Again, you've got to have a certain ego and certain stones to want to run for any elected office, a little one the presidency of the United States. He lit alone everything that has changed in the past few years for Donald Trump, but just there used to say no drummer or Bama. You know, we know how theatrical at times, Trump can be. Just level telling this story, he again continues to do so.

Speaker 2

And he ran across the street and grabbed his car, opped into his truck or car, and amazingly a civilian in that area, so it's something and it looked very suspicious, and in the car, drove their car to the back of his truck of some kind and took pictures of the license plate, gave them to the sheriff's offers.

Speaker 1

And finally, my favorite bit, the second attempt on his life after the first fight fight fight, and you know how much I love that. Thank you for your reaction to last night's show. This is his reaction to this second person trying to kill him this year.

Speaker 2

I would have loved to have sank that last part, but we decided, well, let's get out of here.

Speaker 1

But even after the shooting, we all know Trump's the problem. Rhyme.

Speaker 7

If Donald Trump wants people wants Kamala Harris and others to say to stop saying that he is a threat to democracy, then he should stop threatening democracy. Perhaps he shouldn't be overturning trying to overturn elections, overthrow the government, and inciting insurrections.

Speaker 8

The former president's own words seem to be increasing the threat of political violence in Springfield, Ohio.

Speaker 1

The calls to tone down are good, but they need to come from inside the house. Well, these people are nuts ante nothing possibly bagged could happen him, because if we admit that, then then he ends up getting sympathy, and if you get sympathy, he gets votes. Please not your feraches on the show. I'm looking forward to that, Megan Kelly on tomorrow Nights shut now forty nine Dice to Go. I want to again show you some data here which was just about where the race is now.

A grade polls. These are the ones that basically have been pretty close to accurate in the past, and I think was banged on in twenty twenty a pole that came out a couple of days ago. It shows Trump leading fifty one to forty eight. But then I can show you another a grade poll that shows Harris winning forty nine to forty five. So okay, let's have a look at the overall averages of poles. Now they are getting better for Harris as more poles coming after the debate,

she leads by one point seven percent nationally. Now, the reason why many of the prediction things say that Trump's going to win is because unless she's winning currently by two or more, then that's considered to be yes, a big winning California, a big win in New York, but the swing states would end up turning against her. But here's the bit that's really worth having a look at. Here, Harris is actually running behind where Biden was four years ago.

Four years ago, Biden was five point eight percent up over Trump in the national polls. Harris is less than two at one point seven. So we still don't have no idea what's about to happen in this election. But Harris on the overall picture not doing as well as her media boosters would say. But again, most of the poles that have rolled in since the debate are starting to go her way. We'll all find out what happens. We'll be in America. But love this country even when

we're over there. So let's talk about this country. Let's debate in this country. We'll get into it. Into it next with Joe Hildebrand, Holly Hughes. We want to see kill on Paul Murray live Niger for us before we don't thank you very much for what giga. Let us get into this now. In other than Joe hoilder Brand. You can read, you can write to him, you can see him, you can listen to him, lots of different ways.

The wand of a Holly hughes, of course, and he said while Senator joining us from camber, because she's still sitting even though the downstairs people aren't. So the Prime Minister is a double disillusion because he may not get what he wants when it comes to the housing funds. But of course that's because the economy going amazing. No one's got a problem with him. Literally tonight the former acy, a hero of the union movement, and the CEOs are

telling him there's a problem. It's more expensive than even before the pandemic to build a house, let alone all of the other issues that mean that currently fifty three percent of people think the premise is doing a poor or very poor job, and fifty seven percent of people can't name a single thing that's made their life better. But no, no, bring on a double d.

Speaker 9

It's just ludicrous because if you actually sit down and do the math of what's required for a double dissolution, and that's the second defeate of a bill after three months and then six months before the next elections due, he would actually have to recall Parliament in order to put a bill he would know would fail in order to generate the trigger for a double dissolution. It is just insanity on steroids. It is an absolute rabble in

the Senate this week. They've turned up for a Senate only sitting week, put up their build to own or helping build, whatever it's called. It's just the most pathetic bill that no one in the Chamber is supporting, like no one except labor, and they.

Speaker 10

Are behaving like petulant children.

Speaker 9

It's now two days into a four day sitting week and we haven't even got to a committee stage of this bill. It's just going nowhere and nowhere incredibly fast. And you know this is a government unraveling day by day.

Speaker 1

Joe again, the Prime Minister, or no doubt the people around him, may go, oh wos you sort of talked into it by the press conference and all the rest of it year, but there seems to be Look, there is an obvious imparty here where the Greens wanted to fail because they want to go on the written to question, particularly in Southeast queensline that lives wanted to fail because they disagree with that the year size, the cost of

the policy lit alone, anything else. So I mean, does he actually think that anyone said around a barbecue is going to be convinced by his plot as a reason for us to go to have it a lynch?

Speaker 11

Oh, he's not going to go to a double day, and there's no way he would. There's no reason he would tactically or logistically. Holly's quite right, it would be all but impossible. He wants to go to an election. I am sure, and I'm not repeating anything he's told me, but I have no doubt I've said this all along.

It is clear as the nose on your face that the best chance of Labor getting re elected with the majority is giving the Reserve Bank as much time as possible to start cutting interest rates so that people think that the future is going to get better, they forget the lean years of the past, and Albaneze can say the end of all this, see I did it, I've gone full term. I haven't done it. People don't like

early elections in Australia. Generally, they almost always backfire. Bob Hawk in nine eighty four was a pretty good example and exactly right. So he goes full term, he says, I've always said I was going to go full term. I've done that. The RBA is almost certainly going to cut interest rates touch wood in the first half next year. So he goes in April May and away you go. I think he's simply keeping everyone on their tires. And I think he's been doing this quite effectively all year.

You've had people making all sorts of predictions. We're meant to be in the middle of an election campaign now, it's not already having gone to the polls according to some predictions, and so he's got everyone sort of up in a ladder whilst he's still just quietly plotting a long game.

Speaker 1

That's very kind of you. Let's talk here about what's happening with victory you're doing. He's doing his best world I'd get that before. I've been there before. Don't worry now. Of course, one of the keys, apparently the Liverboo part of getting even close now again, I think the analysis that has been discussed from the former Labor senator from Queensland is a little too favorable to the coalition, but it's the one that suggests that there could be a

minority government either direction. For that to happen, something pretty significant has to happen in Victoria. Now, the expectations were that a very significant number of seats that Pete Dutton would require would come from there. The analysis and beliefs seemed to be Andrew's effect doesn't really matter anymore. But whether there's a crossover, we'll all wait and see. Now, I get it, Holly, you are not from Victoria, but you know plenty of people from there inside the political world.

Why would there be a sense of hope amongst Victorian liberals that federal seats that they've lost are about to come back their way when we know what the advertising is going to be, black and white pictures of Peter Dutton, the cop from Queensland or uga booger vote labor.

Speaker 10

Yeah, I read that article today too.

Speaker 9

I mean, I guess the first thing they'd be hoping is that their organizational wing and their state parliamentary team keep their mouths shut, stop recording each other stuff up Light New South Wales Division did of the Liberal party. I mean, they are just the king of own goals, and Victoria hasn't exactly been a shining light of great

liberal groundbreaking efforts. So I think they'd be hope that this whole pursuito deeming issue goes away pretty quickly and that the state team shuts up get some good candidates. I know, people like Tim Wilson have been working really hard for a long time. There's also a number of Tials down there who not only are they not delivering, but they're consistently voting with the Greens and Labor at

every opportunity. So the reality is, and everyone's predicting this, that we're going to go to some form of minority government. That is almost the worst outcome for the country, I think any of us can imagine. I think the only thing worse than just a blanket minority government is minority government with this Labor government in partnership with the Greens.

And you can see and again lining himself up. Now, well, the Teals will be trying to get out of it what they can, but the Tials have proven that they are just a vacuous waste of space. They achieve nothing. They're one issue, climate change, I mean, this is how politically savvy these people are. They literally came in pretty much week one or two of this government and got their climate change you know, emissions target in legislation and

lost their only issue. It was literally their only issue, and they gave it away within the first couple of weeks of the parliament.

Speaker 10

And don't forget though, they are just nothing.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Well they're also now pretending that it's about twenty thirty five targets and there's this seventy five percent, which of course.

Speaker 9

Is climate change is not anywhere only about climate change is.

Speaker 10

Not anywhere where.

Speaker 9

It was because people can't afford the rent, they can't afford the mortgage, they can't afford the groceries, they can't afford their power bills, and the power bills in particularly are being reinforced by this ridiculous race to renewables that this government, along with the teals and the grains, is consistently chasing.

Speaker 1

Singing Sister Joe, you wrote about council and how local councils it's all now not roads rates, rubbish, little bit of g hard and a lot of other weirdness that goes into Yeah, but I wanted to come at it from a different angle. How do you think council lost its way? Because the processes is exactly the same way. People put their hand up, and normally the overly earnest

put their hand up, they get in the room. But what was it about out the way our politics works now that a council, that a counselor would feel that there's greater political benefit to them and mouthing off about something they have no responsibility for.

Speaker 11

Yeah, it's an interesting one. There were sort of two

tiers to that campaign. So you had a couple of councilors in the southwest of Sydney who are very vocal about it and Canoby Banks down And I was speaking to someone about that from the area just earlier today and he noted that the people who took a really strident line on Palestine instead of worrying about Rhodes rates and rubbish or went backwards, and they went backwards to the advantage not of Labor sadly or the Greens, which is not said at all, but to the center right.

So they're basically giving giving votes away to the right. So people were voting against that and voting for people who were solely focused.

Speaker 1

On roads, get back to base.

Speaker 11

Votes, raids and rubbish, and again to what's happening to

the Teals. Potentially at the next federal election. We saw a massive swing against the Greens in places like Wullara and Waveland, the East and sub of Sydney, which have high Jewish populations but also sort of high kind of you know, genteel populations who often have the luxury to be able to wax lyrical about things like climate change, but don't like all the class warfare talk and certainly rankle at this idea that you know, this should be a referendum on a so called genocide on the other

side of the world.

Speaker 1

And so so.

Speaker 11

Again, I think the Greens firstly, and then the Teals, who are very much Greens adjacent, will suffer as a result of that. And you can see the Teals running away from the Palestinian issue.

Speaker 1

At a rate of nots.

Speaker 11

They're so high and mighty about absolutely everything else.

Speaker 1

They wait for one the start.

Speaker 11

That's why absolutely they did. You know, that's right, But you know, the one sort of cause djure. You know, there's not a fashionable cause. They haven't hitched their wagon too, but this one they're just trying to say oh no.

Speaker 1

No, no, no, no, no no, And but also they will play out. But also you know, to my point, I'll do ours solves tomorrow so we can proper chat about it. But Holly, to my point at the start of the show though, which is, you know, the Libertarian Party was able to jump into a vacuum of the Liberal Party created. But if you want to produce a future state or federal members of Parliament, run them at council, build a community profile. So guess what, it helps them

win elections. That's why council matters funny in the political sense of things. And I think anyone who doesn't want to play at that level, you're doing yourself a disservice because if you want to start at the Senate every single time, guess what everyone else is running and all the media is paying attention to the to almost anyone, but you.

Speaker 9

Look, and I think where this one council election in particular is important. We are you know, we're here in the Senate this week around a housing bill. We know in New South Wales Chris Mins has been looking at a whole raft of different type of supply issues around housing in sort of that inner City and inner Sydney Metropolitan area, and how they get more housing into different suburbs, particularly near public transport lines. And this is where councils

have a really big role to play. And instead of having people that will be able to have sensible discussions, maybe have a look at a different suggestions.

Speaker 10

And what the planning is going to look like.

Speaker 9

You're going to have some of these complete and utter loans in there who have no clue whatsoever. And it's interesting that in a lot of council areas where Liberals did run, they did really well.

Speaker 10

They did really well.

Speaker 1

Which only compounds I'm going to jump. Thanks you guys, do appreciated, Senator, future senator. Thank you very much. We'll see you all very soon. Narjo far standing by in the UK, will talk to him about a whole bunch of things, including his own television career, which authorities are trying to shut down. Yeah, seriously, more honesty. I love when we talked to Nigel Farage, of course, the Reform Party MP leader and host on gb News, and our

friend in the old Dartney joins us. Now, great man, can you believe the second time, the second time this year, we're talking about somebody almost killing Donald Trump the second time around, the media seeming to or not really wanted to, like, unless it literally is shots hitting his body, then it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because that could produce sympathy, and sympathy equals votes. What do you think of what's happened? Yeah, horrible?

Speaker 8

Ally, why it's really horrible because Mara l Argo and the golf course just down the road, they are his real safe spaces. That is where he is surrounded by friends, by family. That is where he's able to be himself and to pursue his absolute fanatical love affair with the game of golf, which is undiminished in every way. And if he can't even be in his own backyard without somebody coming after him with a gun, then that is a truly awful situation for him to be in. You know,

during my last general election, I was attacked. I had a milkshake thrown in my face, I had a bag of sment thrown at me, and you know it made me thoughtful, let alone someone firing a gun at you. So I did ring him yesterday. I did ring him last night just to see how he was. And hey, you know he was putting a brave face on it. He was saying a secret service did a great job. But underneath he's got to be waking up this morning saying to himself, just how many times can.

Speaker 1

I be lucky?

Speaker 8

So something BIG's got to happen. And let's at least for once praise Joe Biden, who did ring yesterday as well, and the Speaker. The Speaker Mike Johnson is now going to change the security arrangements for both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris so that they have the same level of protection that a setting president has not before time.

Speaker 1

Some will say, well, yeah, my view is that the second you are formally nominated. I know that that's when the briefings begin and you know, a couple of extra things start to go. In the current era and in all future eras, it should go straight up to that presidential level, because these are one of the only two

plausible next presidents of the United States. Also, I've got to say, and you know, I got quite fine up about it last night, that I was legitimately inspired by the fight fight fight stuff in that moment the first time around. I'm again you cannot but remark with admiration that Oh look, I just wish I could finish the whole. I mean, in a culture of victim wood, when something terrible happens to someone, they go and hide in a corner, or they talk about it for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 8

He barrels on. Well more than that, there's been in the last fifteen minutes. I've just seen a statement from the man he was playing golf with, and the guy said, when shots rang out and they were told to get out, he said, Trump showed more concern for me than he did for himself, he said, and he showed me just

what a tremendously courageous man and leader he is. So Yeah, once again, in a very tight situation where many would have run away screaming, he shows himself to be the man that to be the man, to be honest Paul that I've always believed that he is. I've always believed that this guy had some very very special qualities.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm with you now, before we're done your show, GiB News. You are the biggest star on the Disruptor channel and they hate it. They hated all right, and by day of course, I mean everyone outside of the building. But again, there's more force is trying to push you off the ear, not just the channel.

Speaker 8

Yeah, we've got a new committee's being formed in the House of Commons, fourteen members, nine of them Labor. The leader of the House of Commons unusually is sharing this committee. They're worried about MP's second jobs. Well, what they're really worried about, if you read the report, is MPs who broadcast on television and radio because it could present a conflict of interests, and so what you can see is they will get together with the regulator and tranforce me

off air. This is aimed at me, fair and square at me. I would argue that with the GM and News show and with over five million social media followers, what I do is amplify the debates that are taking place within the House of Commons. I would argue what I'm doing actually is an extension of the democratic process. So clearly they're coming after me, but do you know what, over the years, a lot of people have come after me and lost.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I was gonna say, I wouldn't back the I wouldn't back the horse that's going up against you. In mate. Thank you very much for your time. Good on you for the fight. Keep at it. We love seeing your mate all the best. Thank you mate. There is NAGA frage in the United States. Now. We are going to be in Victoria in Grand Final week. We're going to be in Melbourne in Grand Final week, and the day after we're going to be in spring spring Vale. If you would like to join us, please send me an email.

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