Paul Murray Live | 17 June

on the television. But I'll be honest. One of the things that scares me, one of the things that I know would scare an awful a lot of people watching, is about one day when our body might work but our brain won't be perfect, that we'll start to lose touch of things. And in Australia, things like Alzheimer's and dementia are very big, very big, and a lot of people live with it and we all know what the

consequences are. I start the show tonight though with some good news, but let me try to explain the size of issues. Now. I know that there is a specificity of difference between dementia and Alzheimer's, But in the question of dementia, about four hundred and eighty thousand people in Australia currently have been diagnosed with some form of dementia.

About eighty nine thousand people each and every year get diagnosed with it and sadly about five thousand people and the latest numbers we had with twenty twenty one died with the condition. So today it is with great hope that we read headlines that a new drug may will be on its way towards Australia which might be able to help us in the fight. To those that have it, to those that are worried about it, to those that

are scared about it, this is big news now. Apparently two Alzheimer's drugs aimed at slowing cognitive delay are heralded as a step towards prevention and are expected to give be given the green light by Australian for Australian patients soon. They are the first drugs to get approved internationally for treatment for the life limiting illness in more than twenty years.

Local experts are warning medications are going to be expensive, they're going to need monitoring, and may be only available to a certain section of people that are living with Alzheimer's. But still, if it helps anyone, this is what many people have been frankly praying for, hoping for for a long time. Now, let me explain some of the research behind all of this. Again, I'm not going to play a doctor on television for you. I'm just repeating what

I've read in the media today. Because there have been clinical trials which have been taking place, and they have been taking place principally in the United States, but the approval process is starting to speed up here in Australia,

where this is going to be an inevitability. Now, an eighteen month trial involving seventeen hundred and ninety five people between the ages of fifty and ninety the first of the drugs showed a twenty seven percent reduction in cognitive decline compared to those who were not given the drug. Patients gained six months of cognitive stabilization. Think about how important this is for yourself or the family member that

you're most concerned about. With all of this, now, one of these drugs in particular has already been evaluated by the organization that decides whether these drugs can be used in Australia. That's the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration. It's expected to be available here later in the year. But here's

the kick. It'll cost thirty eight thousand dollars a year per person, unless, of course, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee put it on the list where taxpayers reduced that number down and frankly, your fellow taxpayer ends up paying the best part of the thirty eight thousand dollars for the doses per year. Now, it's going to go before that committee next month and we'll know the month after in

August whether it has got the sign off. But let me be very clear, and the reason I take a couple of minutes to talk about it at the start of the show. The Australian government has the money, does it have the will to turn thirty eight thousand dollars a year for this medication into something that will become close to freely available for anyone who would need it here in Australia. Well, you bet you they do. Now.

This government is more than willing to put an awful lot of stuff off the budget books, but it deals that they want to do for hundreds of billions of dollars when it comes to things like submarines, or when it wants to spend again tens of billions of dollars

when it comes to renewable energy. Well, the money coming into the federal government has never been higher, as you can see here a few years ago, four hundred and forty seven, then four hundred and eighty one billion, up to five hundred and fifty billion, and the last full financial year, the current one ends in a few days time,

six hundred and eighteen billion dollars. They have the money, They have the money, do they have the will, Well, we'll tell you, we'll follow this process all the way through because again it frightens Australians about what may well happen if there is a drug that can help you hold on for at least another six months or maybe even getting the world of prevention. That is huge news, way bigger than anything in politics today. But let's get to the politics because that's the main meat, and I

know that's why you watch this each and every night. Well, perfect example about albonomics, where the people in charge of the country will they get richer while you get poorer, yet you still have to pay more tax, Where things like in interest rates and inflation will they hollow you out but they're fine. We know this because there is currently a per capita recession, meaning for the average Australian

things are going backwards. They have been going backwards for well more than a year now and even the abc CS things are starting to feel like they did in the early nineteen nineties. Now the numbers aren't exactly the same, there's not a million people unemployed, but the circumstances and the pressure are as bad as things were way back when the Australian economy is only sputtering along you wouldn't

even say there was growth. There is technically growth, where in the past three months the Australian economy only grew by zero point one percent, So we are right on the edge. As soon as it starts to go into negative for three months and then another three months. Two quarters. We are in a recession. There has been a per capita recession for the best part of more than a year.

So the people in charge of all of this, of course, the Prime Minister and his merry band of men and women as ministers, and what is about to happen for them, despite the fact that you are living some of the toughest financial conditions of our lives. People under the age

of thirty have never lived anything like it. Well, as you can see there by the headline, guess what they're getting Another pay rise Now, this is the third pay rise since Albanesi became Prime minister, and it feathers the nest yet again of the people who do not need the feathering. Today was made by the of course, the completely independent tribunal, the same tribunal that one of their ministers was lobbying to give a twenty percent pay rise

to a high ranking public official. And now we're in a scenario where the Prime Minister is going to earn over six hundred thousand dollars. Now, because it's other people's money, they will just throw it up against the war. But

think about this. Backbenchers have now got their third pay rise since Labour came to power, and now earned two hundred and thirty three thousand, a minister four hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars, which is more than the Opposition leader at four hundred and thirty two one thousand dollars, and the Prime Minister now six hundred and seven thousand dollars.

Leave these up, because I want everyone to times three on all of these, and that's how much money a politician will earn should they be elected to parliament, server as a minister, be the Opposition leader, or of course be the Prime minister. I repeat the third pay rise since Labor was elected in May of twenty and twenty two. The numbers are extraordinary. Now. Of course, if they want to do the politicians could turn around and refuse the

pay rise. They could do what happened in twenty twenty one, which was to have a wage freeze. They could move a motion in the Parliament to do so, to say thanks very much for the advice, but we will not take the pay rise. They could do this if they wanted to. Oh no, but of course it's a completely independent body and therefore they couldn't possibly overrule it. I repeat, same body twenty twenty one, the Parliament said, no, we don't need the pay rise. Will the Prime Minister get

a question about this tomorrow? Let's all wait and see. If you can't talk about it because it's the international affairs of licking the boots of China, well then could somebody ask the day after that, does he deserve his third pay rise since he became the prime minister? Does every backbencher deserve their third pay rise since labor became the government? Does every useless senator deserve a pay rise? No,

of course they don't. While yes, cost of living affects everyone, including people on big wages with big morel good jees, what a message to say. The same government that turns around and says we've done our best because we've given you thirty something bucks back a week in tax cards are going to get a pay rise that will be way more than thirty bucks a week.

tell you about today. News from today that a fifth of all small businesses in Australia are out of cash. They are right on the edge of exploding and disappearing. This is on top of nine million Australians who have less than one thousand dollars in the bank, most of them less than two hundred and fifty dollars in the bank. And we learned today that high inflation will be around

not full months, but four years. All of that, of course, feeds into the Reserve Bank, who meet yet again this week to decide whether to put up interest rates, to put down interest rates, but most likely to keep them at a generational high level. Now this means the tens of thousands of dollars that people paying off their houses have had to find to pay off their homes since this government came to power, and twelve interest rate rises

have happened on their watch. That they will celebrate because nothing gets worse if they keep the rates where they are. But the reality is, as I've spoken about before, the python is squeezing. There is only so long so many people can live under the same squeeze. You will have noticed it like I have, about the number of for sale signs that are popping up, the number of people

who aren't able to keep up with their mortgages. Now, this does put into play quite a few seats in the mortgage belt, which the Labour part assumes are safe and will always vote their way. It's up to Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party to offer a solution or cost of living, not just to find what the problem is.

But yet again we see that the reality for the people who rule us is that they get three pay rises in a couple of years, while you probably haven't got any and if you did, maybe best case scenario five percent. And because of inflation over the past few years, it's really real wages back at the twenty eleven in

twenty and twelve levels as you just saw. The A and Z Bank suggests there will be no cut to interest rates this month or for the rest of this year, probably into next year, which is why the opinion polls are shocking to labour. People who think that the Australian public is so stupid, throw them a couple of crumbs while their loaf gets bigger. But Australian says, you know,

have had enough and are now starting to push back. Now, apart from anything else, one of the things that I think was very important to highlight out of this number that shows Dutton as the preferred prime minister by one point, about the people who actually put the poll together. They say, of those that have given them comments while giving their answers about who they'd vote for if there was an election. Right now, some of the comments we collect are becoming

quite angry. We are also beginning to see more specific focus on the cost of housing and rents, as well as growing unease with job security. Now, who are the people who could actually do something about that? The great passengers of the Australian economy, the ones who say, trusts us. Everything's okay. Sure, growth is okay for us at zero point one percent, but you have to live in a

per capita recession. They take more tax from you than ever before as an overall slice of the economy, but they rejig parts of it so it becomes two little too late tax cuts so they can say they're doing something about it. The Poles will only get worse while they maintain this current smug attitude. And every single person you can see in your screen, including that bloke, gets their third pay rise in this term of parliament, their

third outrageous. Now about those polls, As I was saying, they continue to shock the political classes, but they don't shock you and I. We've been on the front lines of this and speaking about it for as long as we have been seeing what's been coming. You know the headline right now thirty six thirty five in terms of who is the preferred prime minister nationally, big chunk of people having no idea which way they're going to go. But have a look at this. Labour's got a Queensland problem.

It is a massive, mega, huge Queensland problem. Now they've got less than half a dozen seats in Queensland, but I reckon a couple of those, particularly places like Lily, might be under real threat and they might lose some to the Greens because their vote is apparently up. But look at what's happening there. Forty eight percent of people

saying the preferred prime minister is Peter Dutton Albow. The only place you can get a high five is from the Labor government, which is currently about to get flushed down the toot and hopefully h in a few months time. Meantime, another opinion pole, same organization, this time over in the Financial Review. It shows pretty obviously in a whole raft of numbers, and let's look at the bottom right hand

corner of these numbers. More than anything else, two Party preferred fifty to fifty, exactly the same number as the News poll has had out there. So we're now starting to see a trend. You're starting to see a trend. Now overall they're preferred Prime Minister Albow in front, but only by two points. Now remember I was somebody sitting here thinking, oh, preferred Prime Minister Scott Morrison was fine.

So the twenty twenty two election, who knows what's going to happen, Albow a year out was running third to don't Know. Well, Duarton is well and truly in front of don't Know and he's starting to breathe down the neck in how many poles in a row now around Anthony abernezi As for their overall vote, the Labor if the Liberal Party consider it forty nationally, then they're going to win an awful lot of seats. I don't know

what's going to happen with the Teal seats. The Teal seats are the statistical block between an opposition getting close and an opposition get close to government. But on all of these numbers, the Labor Party will go into minority, which means the tale will wag the dog for three years and we will be in a very tough place for the next little while. It doesn't matter how left wing all of those MPs are and how that all

thing off a certain type of song sheheet. You know, the government's not in charge, that are in charge when you've got to go and double check with somebody else before you can even pass one piece of legislation in the Low House, let alone the Greens, Pocock and the

rest in the Upper House. And also on the issues, you're going to have a look here at how things have changed since the last election, where the Labor Party, which was leading in many of these areas, is now only preferred by voters when it comes to welfare, family and community, health care, education and training, the environment and climate change, and strikes, unemployment, roads, housing, accommodation, standard of living,

government spending, managing the economy, defense, national security, crime and order, immigration and asylum, all of those currently being led by the opposition. The pole shocks will continue no matter how arrogant the Prime Minister is, and no matter how deaf, dumb and blind the people around him are and saying good job boss. More of the same pleas which brings us to today, and the red carpet was rolled out for China to essentially continue to march over the top

of us. Of course, this is a wonderful refreshing of the relationship because Australia doesn't call China out anymore, even when they endanger members of the Australian Defense Force. We don't say anything. We pretend that what's said at Beefweek

is a way of responding. Yet, as we showed you and sent it estimates, nobody made a phone call to China about it, a little bit like that scared person who secretly hopes that they get voicemail or technically rings an old number and says, well, I tried to contact

them now. Of course, all of this politically apparently works for Anthony Aberdeasi because the one point four million people of Chinese descent in Australia well and truly turned against the Liberal Party last time after voting for them in twenty nineteen, sixteen, thirteen, ten and in two thousand and seven. So most likely all of this garbage somewhat helps politically, but only in a certain pocket of Australia. But again, as you have heard, the media only one message tonight,

which was everything is awesome. With the flick of a penanda firm handshake, Australia and China renewed and revitalized their relationship.

that he wants. Thankfully, tonight there were some people that were braver than many, if not most people in the Australian Parliament, or many or most people in the Australian media, because they were the ones who went to Cambridge today and tried to speak on the behalf of a million people who live in concentration camps working as slave labor.

That's the reality for the weigest population. Of course, you've seen the intimidation that happened with my colleague Chang Lai, who had been held in a Chinese prison for three years, trumped up bes chargers. But the Chinese diplomats in our country start to get in the way, pushing Paul and try to intimidate her world under the members of the

Australian press who started to push back. But more importantly, you'll see the lady in white, the Australian embassy officials the Department of Foreign Affairs saying no, no, come on out of the way, out of the way. But of course when the Prime is was asked about it, just like when the boat of illegal arrivals were there in Western Australia, Oh he doesn't know. Apparently he's found didn't

work today. Apparently one of the what eleven people who have to talk to the Prime Minister about his media. None of them were able to pass on to the big boy. Of course, he will have plenty to say. That will be only after the Chinese leadership has gone.

Today was a pantomime, a pantomime of pretending that we have a partnership where we are well and truly the weaker partner, and to be the weaker partner in our own parliament I find disgraceful James Patterson, who remember had been banned from traveling to China for his ability to speak out against China, while he is using every bit of his opportunity as the Home Affairs Minister to tell the truth about this abusive relationship.

we are consistent with that, and we speak out. We're appropriate, We shouldn't be cowed into silence.

happen with the constitution. These people are playing for keeps and they will find any and every way to make sure that any opposition to them is marginalized at the least, but snuffed out at the very worst. Make no mistake, that is the plan. That is the play. By watching this program each and every night, by supporting this channel in the way that you do you push back, Please do it every night. We've been on such a journey. We will continue that journey for a very long time

to come. Annoy these people by sharing our content. Annoy these people by liking us on Facebook. Annoy these people by getting our app via skuynews dot com dot au. Push Push Push, Because it's definitely necessary. The government cannot decide what is true or not and then pretend that we are the free and open place. That is oh

so different than the way they play the game in China. Now, despite the fact that we all feel this way about watching the relationship with China, well, let's look what the pr machine is doing back in China. The Global Times, which is spent many a time referring to Australia as gum under their shoe. Remember that's their actual view of Australia. On no, no, Now they're quoting their own opinion polling. Geez, how open and free do you think their opinion polling

is in China? I read from the Global Times, the propagandist outfit. The Global Times not a free media. It's not one for one here as China Australian relations stabilize mutual good will between the peoples of both countries. As on the Rios. The Chinese respondents to their survey have reported a significant increase in their favorable perception of Australia. Jesus,

isn't that amazing. Compared to the last survey back in twenty twenty two, the average goodwill's score has risen by seven points and out of sixty nine point two percent, which is in alignment with the policy adjustment of the current Anthony Albanesi government. The yay for the day is coming from the propagandists in China to the Chinese people. The propaganda is then, of course laundered, refashioned and posted on social media here now for people that are half

paying attention. Of course, I fully support the Chinese diaspora that is here. My communication, my criticism, my vehement opposition is about the c c P, the government of China, not its citizen or its diaspora around the world. My reference when it comes to elections was the statistical proven fact that there was a move in that population, and in part that was because of the information that they were getting from local media here. That really was a

rewashing of the propaganda that is being served up in China. Well, in this country we are free until of course they turn around and tell us what's true and not true and not allowed on the internet. So how do you think this would go under that new system? Johannah Sleek in The Australian today, what a cracking cartoon, good bloke, funny man. Prime Minister basically Nicki nu on the leash. See it is possible to stabilize the relationship and maintain

our self respect. Anthony PEKINESI, well done to those who remain fearless and are willing to push back again. CCP is the problem, not the citizens. Now in Melbourne, plenty of crime going on, But of course many of the lefties there would like to say that it's like AOC would say a form of reparations. Well, one of the great freedom lovers in the state of Victoria is and none other than the beautiful Rebecca Judd. Her husband the legendary football player now businessman, and she herself is a

business woman. She's come out and said that Melbourne now is basically work broken, violent and I couldn't agree more. But on crime, let's get back to old mate. Daniel Andrews, the bloker gets the gold medal after overseeing a system of the world's longest lockdown and people dying alone during COVID. Yeah, quick giving the gold medal. Now, he had an announcement while he was Premier, which is they were going to

raise the age of criminal responsibility. The crime wouldn't disappear, just the people you would hold responsible for the crime will no longer get held responsible. They've changed the age of responsibility, first up to from ten to twelve, and then by twenty twenty seven move up to fourteen, meaning all the crime keeps happening, but you won't be able to take a ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, or even potentially a fourteen year old into the system to be held

accountable for that crime that makes you woke, broke and violent. Well, despite the fact that the same government has the same policy, with the same plan but a different premiere, they are now wanting you to give them credit for potentially cracking down on youth crime. The same people who have moved the line of responsibility and will plan to move it again, are now pretending that they are going to go after

youth crime. Youth crime that, by the way, according to that far right wing the age is now at a decade high, in part because of a pursuit of notoriety as people film their stuff and put it on the internet. Well, now the Victorian Labor government are set to crack down. This is the Attorney General. We want to respond to Earth. We want to pick up naughty kids. We want to make sure they're not turning into a serious offender that

frankly the community is afraid of. Well, Attorney General, perhaps you should think about your own laws and your own handwriting, because your own laws and your own handwriting says that a ten year old and an eleven year old no longer responsible for what they do in your state. Under your laws. They're not responsible for crime, but they are smart enough to take the hormone blockers to change their gender. They're not old enough to drink, but they can go

off to the clinic and it gets worse. They move it up to thirteen, they move it up to fourteen. They are not interested in cracking down on youth crime. They are interested in pretending that they can just make it disappear by not holding people accountable for it. Now, a few things I want to get through in the inbox before we get to a great debate, Matt Canavan,

Sam Crosby, looking forward to that one tonight. You may remember four d and fifty million dollars of your taxpayers money was spent not just on two brand new jets for the Prime minister. Oh, that's right. They were ordered under the previous government, but not canceled under his. Yeah, four hundred and fifty million dollars which is going to be spent on those two new planes. Well, that's also the same amount of money that he spent on a

national yes, no question the referendum. When it comes to the Voice, you may well recall it started out a sixty forty everyone in one place, all the corporates, all the politicians, and then the No campaign fired up just into Nampa, jimper Price and the wonderful one on one Dean. They gave Australian's courage to be able to push back to say the front end of the plane no more, make it focused on normal people, and of course it

became a sixty to forty hell no vote. Now, as you know, this was meant to be the start of a three prong process which was, among other things, going to include a truth and Reconciliation Commission and start to move towards a treaty process, remember Voice, Treaty Truth. Well, as you know, the Australian people, as I say, quite clear in what their determination was of the first part of it. But the Prime Minister is determined to ignore the mood of the nation and move on with the

Macarata process. Anyway, let's get to truth. Let's get to treaty now. Of course, all of this was just hidden in the back pages of The Guardian today, in between all the times they beg you for money every time you go to their website because you know, as it should be. But apparently your vote don't matter. Does that surprise you that the bloke who's got three pay rises since he became Prime Minister could not really care about your vote? The people who truly believe in a democracy,

but let's get ready to censor the Internet. The people who will stand up for Australian values but just won't mention too. The leaders of the country that actually damage our troops, be they in the air or in the water, but sh there's lobsters to be sold. Doesn't really care about such a demonstrable rejection of his agenda. They rejected it in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia, Queensland, New South Wales, the Northern Territory, Western Australia and even woke Old Victoria.

But of course, because they all live in the bubble of the Act where everyone voted yes and lovely left, he is like Laura Tingle, think that well, there's going to be a huge run on racism in the country because that evil Peter Dutton is cutting immigration, which is exactly what Anthony Abernezi is claiming to do as well.

But you follow the dots. They all just live in there ownder the world, and they all police it, and they all give each other awards, and they all tuck each other in metaphorically to bed each and every night. Madness speaking of good news as well, not that any of that was John Farnham. I love him. I've seen him everything from performing in a tent in Townsville or a stadium in Sydney. I've seen him big gigs, small gigs, all the rest of it. I love, love, love this

guy National treasure. As you know, he's gone through his cancer battle. The first photos of his post cancer appearance have now popped up after his son's wedding. This is brave on everyone's front. Obviously, John Farnham doesn't look like the John Farnham that we have known on the stage. But John Farnham looks like the John Farnham that we love and that we will love every single day of his life. Congratulations to his son, Congratulations to his family,

and strength and love to you. John Australia loves you beyond words. We love you all right, quick break back with more. Let's get into the debate right now. We're looking forward to it. Matt Canavan is here, Sam Crosby is here. There's plenty of things to fire up about the Sevening. You can always send me an email portsguynews dot com dot are you did I mention I love John Farnham. We love John Farnham. Honestly, thank you so

much for watching. Not this next Sunday is our next ourtown and I'm pleased to say I return to the spiritual warmth of Queensland where ourtown will be coming right from the heart of Brisbane, in fact, in the specific suburb of mcgree If you would like to join us, if you can get to Brisbane, not this next Sunday, send me an email right now our town at sky news dot com, dot are you our town at sky news dot com dot a you McGregor in Brizzy in

Queensland the next of our our town locations. It's gonna be awesome, all right. Speaking of awesome, none of the wonderful. Sam Crosby joining us here labor to his bootstraps but we'll forgive him. And he sits here in the man Kvachen every week having a chat to a man who's well and truly national to his bootstraps technically LNP, but we know it's national. None of than the great Senator Matt Canavan, of course, joining us now from Rocky and Yourpoon.

So let's talk about the treatment that was rolled out today, the giant pantomime that was played before us, which was everything is okay, everything is reconnected, everything is great with China. Yet I've listed up here and Downdale. While I am uncomfortable with this giant performance, Matt, I know that everyone who earns a dollar out of China and everyone that's got some sort of connection to it as to why it's the big future for their business says all amazing days,

amazing days. I just think about the helicopter that they almost blew out of the sky, and I think about the fact that they still have the blooprints to the ASO headquarters, let alone the email details of the Australian Federal Parliament. But please welcome, welcome.

fourteen policy here is. They wanted us to change, or else they wouldn't buy things like coal and bali and lobster and wine from us. And we stood our ground, and as it turned out, it hurt China a lot more than it hurt us. Within months running out of coal, and their power prices went through the roof, And so we should. The fact that we're here today is also testament to the strong decisions we make made a few years ago. I do worry whether Anthony Elbanezi, if put

in the same situation, would show the same backbone. I mean today he couldn't even say a word about the atrocious behavior of Chinese officials towards cheng Lai. He said he couldn't see it, didn't see it, and so therefore cold comment. I mean, I hope tomorrow maybe he could review the footage and defend the Australian media and Australia's freedom of the press.

Chang Layam we smiled at each other. Well, then you would have also seen that there were people that you kin't have it both ways here, Sam, you saw her and exchanged a glance of love, or you were able to see her and start to see her being blocked out by people.

the Chinese premiere is in town. But surely there's a way that a Prime minister could weave those that particular diplomatic needle or thread through that needle and find a way to defend Australis media while not fully humiliating and embarrassing the Chinese delegation. But their behavior was out of line and of course Australian press and media are welcome at press conferences and should not be subject to that type of treatment by officials.

racist racist racist. Well, one of the bits got completely missed from most people in their outrage was what I think is going to be quite a political winner for Peter Dutton, which is, as he said, he will ban for a couple of years foreign buyers being able to buy Australian property. Now, this has happened in other parts of the world, including under Queen Ardern in New Zealand, although that seemed to be left out of Lefty Laura Tingle's monthly essay about how amazing New Zealand was and the

lessons they could have for Australia. But whatever. Anyway, we learned today that Australia is now a top target of foreign buyers. A foreign buyers obviously, by the nature of their name, they come from everywhere. But I think that one of the problems with housing is the number of people who, of course are at any one auction. If you can remove the number of people at that auction, well then obviously your chances are winning the auction. Will

they start to go up? Matt, I think this was a really big policy that I think we heard about on the day and then really hasn't been doubled down on sins. But I think there's a real winner in all of this, and I think that it's something that Australians would react very well to. And by the way, Australia means Australians of all types. It's not just some

secret sort of smoke signal about white people. It's just saying if you live somewhere else, you don't get to blow away somebody in this country who wants to buy a unit.

the government of changes to the migration numbers. But we need to start with the basic principle that Australians must be housed first before we take in hundreds of thousands of more migrants and before we offer for sale the established dwellings in this country. So that it's a very fair policy. It needs to be properly enforced. Of course, there's a problem here sometimes in getting the people getting around the rules. But there just needs to be this

mindset that we've got to look after Australians first. They're not being looked after right now and it needs to be a concerted attempt here to house all Australians before we focus on the rest of the world.

allow an Australian to go to China. And I think that reciprocation is a critical point. I do have a problem saying just hard and fast, Nope, no one can can buy any properties in Australia because there are obviously a bunch of Australians living overseas who will be buying properties and whatnot ivesting overseas.

ks to twenty four k's South coast hardcore labor. And you said Wales again, not ten kilometers twenty four kilometers. Do you think there's going to be some surprises at the election, either about margins or maybe even results when local communities and the only person out there right now is the Nationals saying we get in power, this goes away. I don't know. I don't know.

patterns and whales and blah blah blah. I think there's a bunch of people in the right who just say absolutely no to renewables now, not ever, and they're meeting and they're having a little moment in the sun. I think the vast majority of people look at these things being no bigger than a matchstick on the horizon twenty kilometers out to sea, and they'll think, oh, yeah, fine, if that's going to bring my power down, well fine.

I vote. And one of the facts of these areas that I think everyone should understand is these big parts of the ocean that they shade off in the newspaper. You can't take a fishing boat in there like once they put up It's not like you can navigate around the wind turbines. The whole area is excised from commercial

and recreational fishing. And these coastal communities a lot of people fish, and not just the commercial fishing industry, but then there's a lot of people but like to go and take their son or daughter out fishing at the weekend.

They've got a boat they've invested in that they put their savings into it, and suddenly the government comes along and takes away some of the best of their fishing lands to excise for an overseas off and an overseas investor to make a lot of money through government subsidies. That is going to generate a lot of heat, and

so it will be very interesting. Now, a lot of these seats are very strong labor seats, like those around Wollongong, So maybe that's not enough to see as change, but I definitely think there'll be a swing based on this issue.

And remember at the federal election, a federal by election a couple of years ago and Eden Manero, the former Bellweather seat, their preferences went to Labor. So wait, watch and see whether those preferences move. If they do, it could have a result because their preferences decided that seat. Quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live. That's an I think Christy McBain is a future star of the Labor Party. Oh fairness, what quick break more to talk about here in a moment here on Paul

Murray Lot. Thank you very much. Let's get into the speed round now with Sam Crosby and with Senator Matt Canavan. So long discussed is the demise of traditional media television, newspapers, radio, et cetera, et cetera. Well new piece of evidence suggesting social media on the rise and social media will become the number one source of media and how people get their news for obvious reasons, I don't live in that universe, but I know certainly sort of people of a certain

age do live in that universe. But Sam, for those of us trying to keep an eye on politics, how the hell do we track what is actually hitting or not hitting on social media? I mean, for people that were in the Yes campaign, they got smacked, smacked on social media by what was happening in and around the No campaign because they thought that all of the air cover from sort of the establishment was going to get right.

Is this a legitimate worry for political parties that they go, look, we say, we know how much have you spent versus how much have we spent? But who's actually tracking whether the ad you put out is better than the one Matt puts out, and whether people watch more of your videos than Matt's video.

you know, where anyone's actually getting their news. This also coincides at a time when trust in the media is at its lowest since COVID first started. So people are opting out for all sorts of reasons and you can't track where they're going. It doesn't bode well for the future of public discord, of civics, of engagement and democracy.

had a lot look at it. But I mean, again, don't tell us the secrets, but the extra layers of information available to political candidates to actually tell you what type of person is watching something.