Guying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, wead welcome to the show before the long weekend, before another long weekend, both of course with incredible importance to Christian Australians this weekend and then to all Australians next weekend. Happy Easter. And of course this time next week I'm going to be living a dream because we are going to be in Western Australia. We will be on our way to
Calgooley and I want you to join us next Sunday. Okay, not this but next Sunday night, the twenty seven in Calgooley. If you can make it, get yourself there, ourtown. It's skynews dot com dot you ourtown at skynews dot com dot you love to get into the orange dirt. We will do so next weekend, looking forward to it. Sixteen days until the federal election. Tuesday is when the first
votes will be cast. In an election where there is a fork in the road, there is a way to continue what we are doing with the problems we've had over the past three years, or a chance, as the opposition will say, to put the country back on track. At the other an easy world today again, just basking in the terribleness of the performance that he had last night at the debate, where negative gearing was back on the table, and let me explain how that should work
for the rest of the election. Today unbelievable. The headline is no new spending announcements, but relax, he's made plenty since January.
A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars, three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar, two point four billion dollars eight point five billion dollar, four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred
million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars, two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars, three million dollars, ten billion dollars, twenty four million dollars, nine million dollars, fifteen million dollars.
As I said on Monday night, that's the show. It's time to go. What a list it keeps growing and growing and growing old. But our only account since the start of the election. No, no, all of those huge promises made to change the subject, to change the polls, it slowly has worked. But all of that spending since the start of this year extraordinary and we're on our way to one point two tea for trillion dollars debt. As for the Opposition leader and Peter Dubnin, he was
focused today. I'm trying to get more kids to use the final part of their high schooling. If they want to try to marry that in with becoming a trade this would be the way to go today. The announcement was to put back what of course Coalition governments have long believed in, which is specific trade schools, not ones automatically linked to unions or the education unions. He's the announcement made today by I think the Deputy leader as well.
So our announcement of two hundred and sixty million dollars for twelve new Australian trade colleges across the country starts right here in Patterson today. This once in a generational form of our schooling system is about bringing excellence in skills back into schools now.
As for the media and how they tried to spin it for Labor to day, despite the fact that the train wreck of a performance the Prime Minister put on at the debate last night, where he was proven as a liar time and time again when he was trying to go on the attack. Those were lies as well. But of course the majority of the access media, Oh, he was great, he was wonderful. He was a dead rubber.
There was nothing to see here. Please, if you saw it with your own eyes or saw, of course what we played you, which was the tapes last night, there would be a few more than these type of softballs that you'd throw at the Prime Minister today.
Do you think that Peter Dunn is a climate denier based on the debate last night? And also, you know there's just over two weeks to go in the campaign, a lot of public holidays in that time. Are you confident that you can score some votes, especially in seats like this help?
But levels, why do people underestimate you so much? Given that you flip the poles in a couple of weeks, You're in the lead and your opposition leader has been caught seemingly woefully unprepared. She's my last day with you on the campaign for a while, so I called that you will indulg to the other side.
Believed or not the other side you won't be as happy.
Lut see how that all works. Perfect example about the access right, And she was one of the reporters who got the little one on one because of course she was towing the line. Can you believe this? We are two weeks away from either re hiring one of the worst governments we've ever had or changing to a new one. The tough questions should be for both sides all the time. They should be about the flaws in their ideas. Instead it's just about could you please say something terrible about
the bad guy? I need it for my story. But no, the tough questions well, they of course were all for Peter dunn't despite the fact in the debate last night, to the ratings more than a million people ended up seeing plenty more on socials as well. So that's why it's worth I think noting how good Peter Dutton was last night.
Now, yesterday's the bit you said you don't know President Donald Trump. How would you get that deal if you don't even know the guy?
You're not a dentist or an engineer. But I suspect that you'd take their advice on their subjective expertise. But last night, when you were asked about climate scientists, you said you accepted climate change was happening, but you couldn't bring yourself to say that you trusted climate scientists.
How do you plan to bring in more trades and jobs when you refuse to back policies and incentives like free tay.
You haven't visited any potential nuclear science including the one here at Ladell just an hour away. You recently said that town is dead, which caused quite an upset. They're also concerned about earthquakes. It's not a very good look a nuclear plant built somewhere where there are dozens of earthquakes and just the last year alone. When are you going to visit them in person to allay their concerns?
Honestly, why do they underestimate you earthquakes a nuclear plant. That's the difference. It is impossible, based off the questions that are asked for the opposition to be able to get on the front foot. Now, the reality is you don't have to necessarily engage with the question that you ask. You the answer that you want to give, but of course they have no interest in hearing the answer because they want to focus on the question. The question. Of course,
that is the gotcha again. I don't mind tough questions, but if they are not equally being applied here, then obviously we know what is going on now. Elections. They are fought in what we can all see on the nightly news. They can be heard on some of the commentary and the radio. You get a bit of a skewy view when it comes to social media, because remember, the algorithm is feeding you more or less depending on
the things that you already look at. But this weekend is an opportunity for you to have conversations with family. And I'll have more to say about that in a moment, and more to say about just how brain dead some of this stuff is on social media. But as I say, despite the fact that we showed you last night, how in fact can we bring back There's a little collection we put together last night of Peter Dutton's best moments in the debate. This was impressive stuff.
Let's roll we approached the third of May, many Australians will be asking themselves are you better off today? Than you were three years ago. People have seen food prices go up by thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up on twelve occasions over the last two years. The government's brought in a million people, all of whom want homes, and all of whom are competing against young Australians for
that rental property or to purchase a home. That's a million people, which is seventy percent higher than any two year period in our country's history. And to your government has modeled negative gearing changes NCGT changes. The Treasurer has done that.
That's not right. Well, it is a publish service.
This Prime Minister has a problem with the truth. And it's not just in relation to this debate. There are many aspects that you could pick up during the course of this campaign. With the Prime Minister constantly telling people they're much better off now just defies the reality in their own lives. There are thirty thousand small businesses which have gone bankrupt over the course of the last three years,
a record number in our country's history. Over the last twelve months, households have been in a recession for seven consecutive quarters almost two There's been a threefold increase in the expansion of the public service compared to the regular years. We have the highest per capita rate of public servants in the world.
And the Prime Minister was stepping on rakes. The hardest of which, which hit in right between the eyes, was a failure to deliver on his own promise of two seventy five dollars off your power bills and an inability to answer this question four times.
You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the cheapest form of power.
When will we see our power bills come down?
They are Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest form of power, not because of what we say, but because of what the Australian Energy market operator says.
So when do the bills come down?
And what the market is is delivering? See, Peter has to have government, state, taxpayer funded. We stick with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals.
What we're dealing with here.
During the former government, twenty four out of twenty eight coal fire power stations announce their closure. We need to get supply and certain in energy security. We can't wait till the twenty forties a nuclear Just.
Stick with your plan, mister albinezy.
When will the bills come.
Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the cheapest form of power, and that is why we are doing that, rolling it out, including through gas. Peter Ray's gas. Gas is now thirteen dollars. It was thirty dollars and when we came, when we kind of thirteen is cheaper than thirty.
When do we see the bills come down?
Well, what we need to do is to roll out renewables, make sure there's energy security, make sure it's backed up by batteries, by high joe, and by gas. That is what all of the private sector is backing and investing in.
Take your pick four times. When will they come down? He can't promise when, which means they're not going to. Otherwise, if you could find a way even to lie about it like you did last time, he would. Then he turns around and says, oh, pet, he dudn't. His plan's going to cost billions of dollars taxpayer money. The only reason your power bill has allegedly gone down by twenty five dollars a month is because the taxpayer is paying the power companies to reduce your bill by twenty five
dollars a month. That's what happened last year, That's what's going to happen this year. All of that, of course, then feeds into a fake number about the inflation figures, which figures into the fake calculations being made about whether the economy is turned the corner or not. But how did Channel seven think it when last.
Night Anthony Albanizi and Peter Dutton have shifted their folks to a tax on tax after failing to deliver a blow during the second election debate.
Now we all remember a good old fashioned scare campaign from the twenty and sixteen election. That was the one where the political genius always playing four D chess, the ghost Malcolm Turble had the eight week campaign, the double disillusion, lowering the bar for the number of people who could make it into the Senate Crossbach. That's the one where he took the majority. The Tony Abbott hadn't turned it into just winning and he was willing to call in the police because of lies like this.
Now the Liberals have set up a Medicare privatization task force. Everybody knows you don't set up a Medicare privatization task force unless you aim to privatize Medicare.
Of course it was a lie. It is still a lie, but as it was in twenty sixteen, it was a lie that they shark down Australia's throats.
Put your hand on your heart and look Australians in the eye and say that the Coalition has a policy to privatize Medicare.
I can say to the people of Australia that this election and their vote on July the second, will determine the future of Medicare.
Is the Coalition privatizing As.
You've asked me to talk to the Australian people here, and I just want to take another thirty seconds and answer the first question. On July the second, Australians will have a choice. It'll be about the future of Medicare. You can vote Labor and make sure that we keep the price of our healthcare system.
Now, his reward for that lie is that now he gets to have a weekly comment piece about Australian politics on the very same show that he was telling those lies. But as we know, here we go again medi Scare, Yet again Medicare. Only one side's going to save it, the other one's going to flush it down. The too. This is despite the fact that the last time the Liberals were in power, of all doctors' visits were bulk billed,
no extra payments. Under the current government that is now seventy seven percent, So on their watch it has gone backwards on no no oh, But apparently it's the Liberal party that is going to see a reduction in the amount you can bulk bill.
We never ever, ever want an American style health system in this country. Is the guy who said, along with the Coalition last time they came in a government, there'll be no cuts to health and no cuts to education. They read fifty billion dollars out of health. They tried to stop bulk billing altogether. People should be under no illusion there will be cut to health, there will be cut to education, that will be cut to the ABC if the Coalition are elected now.
This is despite the fact that how many times can Peter Dunton say that's not going to happen.
A coalition government will again deliver quality healthcare. Nine billion dollars will be invested into Medicare.
But they just keep doing it anyway, and no one at these press conferences says, okay. Prime Minister Peter Dudden has said how many times that it isn't going to happen, but you keep saying it is going to happen when an actual fact, on your watch, the total number of people who were able to bolt bill their trip to the doctor has gone down, So Medicare has gone backwards
on your watch. But you're saying vote for us because you think under the next guy who's promising to spend more than you in this area, that it's going to go backwards. But no, no, they just repeat, repeat, because they're shameless and they think that they have a fig leaf. What was the one, Bob, If you have a Medicare Privatization task Force, then you're definitely privatizing Medicare. And they just say that that fig leaf was like some sort
of a fur coat. And then they fight and fight, and they just say it and say it and say it and say it and say it and say they repeat a lot a trillion times, no matter how provably false it is. Yet they're never called out for it, never ever called the lie trackers that they had. No, that's not in this that's never counted, never, despite the fact that it is demonstrably not true. Well, let's now play them by their own game. Okay, let's use albo
logic on albo. Let's talk about housing. Let's talk about people who buy an investment property, not fifteen, but the extreme majority of people who have one. Maybe some who have two. But the idea that we're talking about everyone who's in the property market's got fifteen and they're just milking money off the future general, it's not true, you
know it. If you're lucky enough to have been able to work hard enough to be able to have an investment property, and without investment properties, there's no rent and as we know, the rental market pretty damn tight right now.
But let's get to the back and forth of part of the debate last year now last night, Now the debate was the moment between Peter Dutton and Anthony Abernezi about the Labor Party trying to put together a working group to get some information from Treasury about getting rid of negative gearing, the same policy they had in twenty nineteen. Put simply, would you model getting rid of negative gearing if you weren't planning to get rid of negative gearing?
Here it was in the debate last night. Was it modeled?
It certainly wasn't commissioned by us to.
Do so, It was modeled by the government. It was publicly it's publicly available that this Prime Minister has a problem with the truth.
So was Prime Minister bsing yes, because here is the true measure of Australia, not speaking years ago, but speaking last year about whether or not he had asked the people who worked for him, the same people who put together the budget, to have a look at getting rid of negative gearing.
It is not unusual at all for governments or for treasurers to get advice on contentious issues which are in the public domain, including in the Parliament. It is not unusual for treasurers to do that. But we have made it very clear through the course of this week that we have a broad and ambitious housing policy already and those changes aren't part of it.
So the Prime Minister lied last night on two fronts, One that this ever happened and two that they never asked for it. No, they did ask for it. That is what was admitted by Jim Chalmers last year. Remember the logic of the medi Scare campaign that exists to this day. You wouldn't have a working group of privatizing medicare unless you were planning to privatize medicare, then why would you get Treasury to have a look at getting rid of negative gearing if you weren't planning to get
rid of negative gearing. But again, the Prime Minister assuming that you don't remember and the reporters are too lazy to even go on a basic Google search for what had happened last year, which they are. This is what he was telling them today, in between questions of why do they underrest to meet you?
Do you till out meeting the greens demands on negative gearing?
I rule out negotiating with the Greens. That's even further for you.
I real out.
I have responded to that lots of times, asked again, Well, you can ask you again. You get the same answer. We have our housing policy that we are taking forward the Greens. I am not negotiating with the Greens. We make it very clear.
Because this bloke is such a political genius. Is he trying to avoid we will not cut negative gearing because he's trying to avoid their will be no carbon tax under a government lead? Why would you not just say, with absolute clarity, we will not get rid of negative gearing. But of course that wouldn't count because Peter Dutner said we are not cutting medicare, but they still claim that he is anyway. So if there's no rules and the gloves are off, then guess what. The gloves are off
and there are no rules. So today Jim Chalmers again last year admitting not only did they look at getting rid of negative gearing, but he asked them to have a look at getting rigative negative gearing. Today he's trying to pretend that there's a difference between what is the semantic game he plays.
There is a difference between commissioning modeling, which is what the PAM was asked about last night, and getting advice from the Treasury getting views from the Treasury on issues that are in the public domain.
So apparently there's some semantic difference. No Hawk said you're going to privatize medicare because you've got a working group that's looking into privatizing medicare. Well, they started getting rid of negative gearing, so why not libs they're planning to get rid of negative gearing. The Prime Minister, when asked directly, will not say we are not getting rid of negative gearing. But even if he did, it doesn't matter because you've said we are not going to cut Medicare and it
doesn't matter. It doesn't even count that there's no evidence of it whatsoever. It doesn't count that you're actually planning to spend more money than they are currently promising to do. So this is how topsy turvy and ludicrous this election has been. So Okay, let's play labor at its own game. They of course pretended that one of the reasons they were able to say that Peter Dunton was going to do something about Medicare was they were able to Frankenstein
together a grab from more than ten years ago. Well, we just so happened to have a little bit of tape of the current Treasurer of Australia and his sometimes views when it comes to negative gearing.
Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and capital gainst tax is a shame. Housing affordability which doesn't make important and considered changes to capital gains and negative gearing has a hole in the middle of it.
If you want to.
Deal with housing affordability, you need to start with negative gearing and capital gains.
Okay, what's the Bob Hoork thing? Play the Bob Hawk thing? Right, Remember what was what was the Bob Hawk thing? What did Bob Hawk say? Which is the basis of medical scare for twenty sixteen, nineteen, twenty two and twenty five.
Now the Liberals have set up a Medicare privatization task force. Everybody knows you don't set up a Medicare privatization task force unless you aim to privatize Medicare.
Well, Jim Chalmers says, what about.
Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and capital gainst tax is a shame. Housing affordability which doesn't make important and considered changes to capital g a and negative gearing has a hole in the middle of it. If you want to deal with housing affordability, you need to start with negative gearing and capital gains.
Play them of their own game, and you've got the tape to prove it. Now, wait watch and see where that goes in the next few days. Oh and of course they'll say it was all an evil idea which came out of sky News the prime time. Don't know, It's just the same standard they use for something that is demonstrably not true. Everyone knows it's not true, but for some reason, they never get asked about it, But Jim Chalmers says that about negative gearing. But now and
the Prime Minister won't rule it out. What's going on here this weekend. You have the opportunity to spend time with friends and family, and you're going to talk about the election. So try and remember as many of these as possible, about the difference between a bloke who promised to make their country better, but in actual fact it was fifty four thousand people who lost their job in March.
Better numbers for the jobs today. One point six median homes are in mortgage stress, two out of three cannot afford their rent. Three point seven million household will run out of food, Twenty nine and a half thousand businesses have gone bust, highest supermarket prices ever, highest taxes on alcohol, smokers and petrol, and budget deficits for the next forty years, not ten plus one point two t four trillion dollars in debt that is on its way. Those numbers, particularly
about homelessness, are worth talking about. Those numbers, particularly about people have food insecurity, are worth talking about. You'll remember that a couple of weeks ago on the show, we had a blowke here by the name of Morgan Cox. Morgan was on the Q and A program a few weeks ago where he was talking about his experience and about how he is one of those that is the true victims of this government and the way they are
being ignored when it comes to cost of living. So this weekend, when you talk about politics, talk about Morgan.
One more rank increase and my family, my one year old baby worth facing homelessness and we've got nowhere to go. My family's already been forced out of Sydney for the same reasons. I want to know, is the government going to cut immigration to match housing availability or are we just going to keep going until every regular working Australian is homeless.
That question shook the nation, so then we spoke to Morgan on this program.
I had to sometimes I have to ring a charity place and ask them for some help of the electricity and they are able to give me some credit. If it keeps going like even another year like this, just one more year, I think millions of people.
Will just be destroyed.
They'll be just finished, They'll be living in camp well.
Morgan is back in the news today because he's decided to have a protest. The place he's decided to do it is on the Central Coast, and he has done so out the front of the Prime Minister's investment property. He's decided to do so because he wants to keep the issue of people like himself in this election campaign. Morgan Joy now from the Central Coast. Morgan, why did you decide it's time to bring even more attention to your plight and to do it where you're doing it?
Well, of course I'd prefer to be our home with my family over Easter, but I felt it's really important that the elections on and the fact of the matter is the little people we're just not being heard and this is a desperate situation and it's getting worse rapidly. So I just I really really need to get this out there, you know, for nothing else then, so that I can tell my kids at least I tried, you know, at least I tried to get them to bring them
up in a country where they can afford to live. Yeah, it's a.
No, I guess, yeah, no, I apologize. Sorry, the car distracted just both then I understand obviously, and look, we understand your passion, but you've decided to do it at the front not of the primin house, but house the Prime Minister owns. What do you say to those that are going to give you flack for where you've chosen to do this, that you're not a curability that you're doing it on the central Coast.
Well, first of all, there has to be, you know, a situation where I can do it, And there is a situation here where I can do it. There's the space that I can do it in. And I'm not breaking any laws. I'm not really hurting anybody or upsetting anybody. I've spoken to all the neighbors and they're all quite nice and lovely people and they are fine with it. So this was just the opportunity that I had, and like I said, I just I want to do something, you know, for the future of the kids.
Yeah, Morgan, when we talked about your own personal circumstances when we spoke last time, So let's let's again look at those raw numbers. One point six million people in mortgage shifts, meaning they can't afford their repayments, two out of three can't afford rent because it keeps going up. Three million people this close to homelessness, as we've discussed before, that's people like yourself and three point seven million people going to run out of food, probably have by now,
and they're not going to have a great easter. Yet we're halfway through the election and I was talking about any of that stuff. Really are they? That's right?
That's why I'm doing this, That's why I'm here. I just I didn't know what else to do to bring attention to this. But it seems like it should be the number one issue at this election for sure, and I don't understand why everyone isn't talking about it all
the time. I keep seeing a lot of stuff on climate change, and I just don't understand how that they can think, for instance, that we should be concerned about the weather in a hundred years when next week we don't know if we're going to be living in a tent.
Absolutely. Now you've appeared with us, you've appeared on the ABC. What response have you had? You know, you're not really massive on social media, but but how what responsive you had for being willing to be as public as you are in all of this.
I think most people have been overwhelmingly supportive. I've had a few people come out and say I'm racist or I'm anti immigrant or whatever. By the way, my partner is an immigrant, and I'm not against immigration at all. I just want the government to manage the country. I mean, what else is their job? Yeah, that's all just as many houses. We need this many people.
Correct, and if you add an extra one or two million people to it, then all the people that are currently just barely holding on, well, they compete with everyone else who might be able to jump in front of them in terms of their capacity to be able to pay that rent or to bid for that house, in terms of the election, and in both sides here, what would you say to both the Prime Minister and Peter Dunton about how they need to focus and have either
of the leaders shown you anything resembling what should be the focus for people like your good self.
Honestly, I'm just really sad and disappointed at everything that I'm hearing. I feel like they just need to come back down to earth and talk to some of the regular people, the working people. There is literally millions of us in poverty and struggling, and we don't even have a chance to talk to them. We're just we shut out. That's why I've gone to this desperate sort of measure. I didn't know what else to do. And like I said, do you know, it's not just us, and now it's
also into the future. So our kids, our families, where are they going to live if we just don't have enough homes? This is a desperate situation for millions of people.
Now. Earlier today, you had a banner that was on the caravan. I think the police told you to take it down. That's their business, But that was because you were trying to promote a website, because you want people to have the ability to tell their stories. What does it cost of living casualties dot com dot au tell us about what you want out of this website and is anyone else helping you along the way. It's not a front for a political party or anything like that.
I'm just asking no, no, I have no affiliation with any political party, and frankly, I'm disappointed in all of them. I dare say that they asked me to take it down because it had Albow's name on it, not because of the website. And the website is just a very simple website where people can go and they can just enter in text their stories and they can select a few options if they want it published or not, and they can select things that they might like the government.
I just came up with a few ideas. There might be more. People can ask me if they want me to add things, but a few ideas that they'd like the government to maybe address the issues, and just so that their voice can be heard. My intention is to take that to politicians and if there's enough of us, you know, perhaps they'll listen.
How long's the kara? Then, therefore, is this how you spend the next four days?
Unfortunately, it might be. It depends. It depends on the situation. And you know what, I'd really love to hear from some politicians. I'd love to hear from Albow or Dutton or really anyone that will listen, because the whole point of being here is just that we can be heard.
And you know, I'd love to take him on the tour of the homeless camps that are around my place, and I'd love to introduce them to some really lovely people that are just suffering horribly, and I'd like to just bring him back down to earth.
Well, there's plenty of people that are running, plenty of people that are defending and plenty of people who are after our conversations now know who you are. By the way, if you want to help Morgan out, one thing you can do is give him some work, all right. He works in hi Fi. We've spoken about this before. His website is Smart High Fi dot com DOTU. It's audio visual installations. His telephone number this is me doing the plug. By the way, he didn't ask for this is one
three hundred and three two nine one oh four. The best way to keep his family fed and a roof over their head is for them him to have work. He'll do it anywhere from Newcastle down to Wollongong, but he'll probably go even further. Morgan, all the best mate. Again. That website when it comes to cost of living casualties, what is it again?
It's just cost of living casualties dot com dot au and yeah just a text just answer some texts, tell us his story and I'll try to pass it on to some politicians and hopefully we can get some change.
Good on your Morgan, all the best mate, Happy Easter and all the best of your family. Thanks Mane.
You as well, Thank you Morgan.
Cox there on the Central Coast now again he's been pushed to a point where he thinks that's the way to make his point. And you've got to imagine a person who is pushed that far to do that and the inconvenience that comes from it, and you've heard his reasonings for it. That's his website. That's how you can help him when it comes to work. And I'd love
to know what you think, Paul. It's gonews dot com dot you should cost a living and people like Morgan be the focus of this election or the distractions of They're gonna can't many care. They're going to get rid of negative gearing. We'll get to both next here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching. Sunday Nights we're hardcore politics and Thursday before a long weekend, we are hardcore politics. Baby. You give it to you straight for the next few days,
army with the arguments. For the next few days. With the family, with the friends. Be polite, everyone loves their family. No blow ups. But you know, if it gets to the subject, we'll give you a little bit of information. Christy McSweeney is of course from the pr Council. She joins us now from beautiful Melbourne and the reason we're in HD just always looking amazing none other than Darren Barnett. A lovely to see you as well.
I thought that was heading Paul, Thank you very much.
All right, now there's a million polls, but I want to bounce around here, so my apologies to the team behind the scenes. I'll be honest about where the election odds right, and they are in terms of the betting markets, and it is the Labour Party at a dollar twenty two to win with sports Bet, the Coalition at four
dollars thirty, so an obvious favorite. Now lad Brokes Labor Party dollar twenty two, tab dollar twenty five, the Libs blowing out to well plus four dollars in all of those, so what was previously Libs then became fifty to fifty Now book you say, is pretty strong in the way of Labor. If you're a hardcore supporter, I think the momentum may change. Look bit responsibly butt four dollars a reasonable price if you think you're running towards towards maybe
a different direction. There's also a whole collection of poles, including our mates at Redbridge. And remember we talked to Costa Marris from Redbridge and Michael Kroger on Sunday nights and say to the nation, they are having a look at a whole collection of swing seats and they are tracking whether they are heading the Liberal way or whether they are heading Labour's way. Now, don't worry, you don't
have to squint, but I'll do the work for you. Basically, fifty one forty nine in lots of different directions, in all of the seats. Now I'm talking about Robertson on the central coast of New South Wales, Reed suburban Sydney, Shortland, in the Hunter Bruce suburban Melbourne, Goldstein, the Teal seat in Melbourne, Bullwinkled, the new seat in Western Australia, Hawk, which is the contest between Labor and the Greens.
Hawks where I grew up Sunbury.
There we go Sunday mcew and Casey Bentelon, Gilmour, Hughes Patterson and Lincoln Yari. Again, fifty one forty nine, still nice and tight. Yes, you can see in places like Robertson it was liberal by some margin. Now it's just in favor of Labor. A lot of things that you see in that way. So let's talk about these particular polls, whether you trust them, whether you don't, Christy, does it show a tight race or does it show the momentum that the bookies seem to believe is there in the election.
Look, I think it is very very tight. And the reason why I think it's tight, and I've said it before, is that the same people Redbridge who and give us that poll are the same people who identify and they're great mates of mine in Melbourne and great friends.
Of the show.
They're the same people who identify how far the soft vote has blown out. And that soft vote is still sitting at about twenty five percent, and one in three voters voted for independent at the last election, and some of those are going to switch back. So if we combine the thirty percent of people who I don't vote for a major party and might be assessing the major parties and the twenty five percent of people who haven't made up their mind, it is still very very close.
And I still do think that small margin there reflects the general electorate, despite the Labor Party gaining momentum in the campaign.
Yeah, because that's the question, isn't it, Darren. It is always about momentum. What is very different I think about this election than others is when you basically have this set down week, where are they still going to appear? Yes, are we going to try to read into who got the biggest cheer at the Sydney East. But basically from now till the other side of Anzac Day, most people are going to unplug and it means they had to.
They have the chats with the families and we'll see whether that produces an even greater momentum for where the book you say it's going, or it starts to push us back to where we were just a month ago. What do you think of that pot?
Well, if you look at the seat by seat betting, and I've only looked at sports bet but a lot of these seats now have become much more Even so, the seats New South Wales have been along robertson Gilmore, early on Macquarie and where where we're in it, Patterson is still in it. A lot of them now are slightly favoring labor and they were favoring liberal as little as two or three weeks ago. The same goes in
Victoria for Chisholm. The same goes for a couple of the Teal seats, So the Cape Cheney seat in WA, the Manique Ryan's seat, the Jry Daniel's seat. When momentum is not running with you, it's just one of those quirks of elections. And I'd say to sit to you before we came on air the twenty ten election, Gillard Abbott that when momentum started to swing towards the Coalition, it just seemed that all of those tight races the Liberals just got over the line.
Was all before two weeks. I mean, for those that are trying.
To are up fifty five forty five at the end of week one of that campaign, great point. Then all the leaks started and then momentum really just swung the other way, and that thirty six hour marathon to the line, all of those things just momentum sat with Abbott. So my point is that and all those seats just ended up falling by a fairly small margin. Unless Dutton can take the momentum, I think he is in a world of trouble.
Well, this is it because again, you know, margin of era means you know, on a good day you might push to the high sixties, maybe over seventy. On a bad day you can actually go backwards and actually further to that point. I actually asked sports bet, not sponsors. I just asked the people that are there. They say, in terms of the current market that are about changing seats, that Labour would only lose four seats. Those would be Ben Long, Lions, Gilmore and Aston. However they would win
one back from the Greens. The Coalition would win one off the Greens in Brucebane. They'd take back what essentially were already their seats, the seats of Monash Claire Moore, which are all people who were elected Nats or Libs and then became independents. Monique Ryan. Look, it's a dollar seventy nine to a dollar ninety three, but they're suggesting that she would lose to Amelia Hayman and maybe Kauper. That would be a coalition loss going to an independent.
But the market there dollar eighty to a dollar eighty seven. So see what happens, all right, So it is, it is fascinating. You're so right. The start of that, the start of that Gillard campaign five and in twenty nine I thought.
Were insurmountable after week one, and granted there were leaks and their other things. Do you think it always happened, but we're pretty cruisy after a week and we certainly were just watching the track pols fall off.
Well, thank good miss Kevin Rudd was the Foreign minister coming out of that, because nothing bad happened as a result of that honor. But it was Tony Abbot who pulled down the first female prime minister. Okay, now let's get too the debate and your thoughts on that last night. I think Albo didn't have a good night. I know that. You know, the media was always going to say it's a draw because if it's a draw, it's a win, because that's not a change of momentum. And here's the deal.
No debate has ever produced a knockout moment except for Joe Biden, who was dead in the middle of the debate. Right. Other than that, you can always say there's this bit for us and there's this bit for them. But I honestly see, and of course, you know, I want a change in government. But Christie I saw, and we showed an awful lot of pretty successful hits the following day. Yes, doesn't had to deal with the climate change stuff. I thought he dealt with it pretty quickly. Will he be
forgiven by the Left for it. No, they've got their grab, they run forever. But this negative gearing thing, I said, if the Libs can have the medi scares shoved down their throat since twenty sixteen, you can shove negative gearing changes right back down Labour's throat.
I thought, I agree with you, Paul. I thought Peter Dutton did extraordinarily well last night. The only thing I worry about is that it's a bit too little, too late, going into the East to break and the holidays and pre poll already being upon us. But I thought he outdid the Prime Minister. I saw the Prime Minister look evasive. I saw the Prime Minister look shaky. In debates such as this, at this time of the cycle, you want to have an agenda to put the front runner off
their game. And we have just spoken about how Labor seems to have gained the momentum. It did take them eighteen months to gain momentum, but they seem to have it with them now and I think Peter dun't achieve that objective. I saw the Prime Minister not being able to answer questions and not being able to quickly on his feet come up with a form of words around the difference between commissioning modeling or what is modeling versus
advice and he couldn't tack that deftly. And when you're the Prime Minister and you can't tackle that deftly, that means your confidence is a little bit shaken around that issue. And it does mean that Peter Dunton had got to him if he couldn't wipe that back. Don't for his part, he had some slip ups as well, I'd say, particularly in this Indonesian issue. However, voters are not looking at Australia's relationship with Indonesia. They don't know what Jants Defense
magazine isis into a national security but exactly exactly. So if it was, it's very difficult and complex for people to understand. So I don't think that's going to get the traction that a lot of the commentary wants it to get.
I think that bumps in and out in a couple of days. Am I right here? Well?
I think you're right, but it's you don't want to cause own goals on your suits. One hundred percent national security is a legal strong suit and you don't want that. You don't want Bridget McKenzie saying that there's world leaders saying Dutton doesn't want to BPM and it's not quite right. The form of words matters and you need to get you just need to get the language right. And I think there's been three or four language errors which you
shouldn't make in a campaign. I thought, look, Dunton needed to hit it out of the park and maybe he won, maybe it was lionball, but not enough to change the momentum. And as I said before, if the momentum doesn't shift, then I think it's going to be a really difficult time because people are going to switch off for a week.
Well let's see if somebody is smart somewhere on the internet to make the most of what Jim Chalmers has said about negative gearing in the past.
Any housing policy that doesn't deal with negative gearing and capital gains tax as a sham. Housing affordability which doesn't make important and considered changes to capital gains and negative gear has a hole in the middle of it. If you want to deal with housing affordability, you need to start with negative gearing and capital gains.
All of that is enough for the medi Scare campaign. Why is it not when it comes to a negative gearing one because you knows the Prime Minister didn't say today we will not cut negative gearing quick breakback with more. We are going to be in Cowgooley, not this Sunday, next Sunday, and I want to fill the room, which is why I'm doing as many plugs as possible tonight before you bugger off on holidays. Ourtown, it's gynews dot com dot Au. Ourtown. It's goynews dot com dot Au.
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Let's fill the room and fill the room fast. Christi McSweeney is here with Darren Barnett. We get away when we're in a Loser of the Week in a moment, but can we talk about election posters because we know there's a story every day pulled someone pulled mind down. Well, somebody pulled yours down, and then somebody else drew on yours, and then we're all supposed to think that this means something about whether they're going to win or not win, or there's more posters. Can I say this in the
behalf of all Australians. Get rid of all of them because they aren't about anything. We're not voting for your face. Once we get to the ballot paper your name, yes, is there? Okay, that's all you have to remember if you're trying to go for one person or the other. Now, Darren, you've been on the front line of these things where you've seen seats that were longtime seats for the Liberal Party turned to the people like Karen Phelps in places
like Wentworth. Now I think ten years ago, yeah, probably the posters was a thing right of your show of force. I just think people find them grossly irritating right now. They don't find them half as intimidating the second time around with the Teals as they did the first. Am I wrong?
I think that I think the Teals get more bang for their buck out of digital advertising, whether it's when you turn on your phone and the next scroll down gives you an allegra a spender or a row Knox ad where I live and wentworth. Some of the advertising on the side of the old the bus shelters, some of the digital advertising at Bondi Junction, some of that stuff's quite useful. And some of the.
Petrol station that's smart. Whoever in the limbs is with that, that's because everyone sees that. Literally, but poster someone someone's house, it's.
Pretty irritating, I'll give you that. But I do get a laugh every time I see someone with a tooth blacked out. But I look at it in a different way to most people, I think. But where I live is absolutely chock a block and they all win, and then oh this is on a power pole, this one's onto this way. They all break the rules, they all suit themselves and it's kind of it's a zero some game.
And don't show the camera, but just show Aaron's face. That's my favorite thing that I like on a poster. Absolutely, yeah, correct, all right, I thought that'd be the case. Christy, your thoughts about these posters, I mean, again, you've been to candidate. You've seen how these things go. I know where we've always done, but it ain't eighteen twenty and I just cut on over one thinks, oh, if we have seventeen
more than the other one, we're going to win. It just annoys me, and it reminds me don't go near your house at Halloween because you're a kook.
Well, yes, you're entirely correct, Paul. I have had my face plastered on posts all around the in and out of suburbs of Hearth and so I've ticked that off by list, and I'm very pleased that there's yet another election where that memory continues to fight and I become less prominent so in terms of candidacy. But I will say, having been there and done it and having spoken to people and what people respond to. It's really difficult in the political and at the moment because it's become so
binary and so leader focused. It's incredibly hard for local candidates to get local news out and to get their own personal brand out because everybody gravitates towards the leader now, So it does work. Signage is a huge advantage. The more of it you have, the more repetition people have of your name, not necessarily your face, but your name.
I don't think it's a good idea for people to signal I vote liberal or I vote labor on the front of my house, but signage certainly, as Darren mentioned, council bins, bus stops, billboards, that's all valuable.
That's good or I got thirty seconds, so give me a bumper sticker version. We'rere a loser of the week Darren Bunnett. Rory McElroy, Oh how good? And yeah it was a rip.
I can't even remember his name who finished runner up, so he's the loser of the week.
Christy Win are.
Winner of the week. For me, I'm going to say I think I'm going to make it political. I'm going to say Benson Soulo where I live in Sint Kilda, he does have three signs up within three streets, so I've identified the other three voters in my entire suburb that vote Coalition. So thank you for putting those signs up. You're doing well.
Thank you guys. Happy eater to everyone. Go Yankees and we'll see you again. We're his Sunday night, Monday night when I go anywhere, so we'll be back at our usual time on Sunday. Have a great weekend.