From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you Charry.
This time tomorrow night immediate reaction to the next leader's debate. We will have experts from inside and outside of the house exactly this time tomorrow night. As always, we've got plenty of fire up about this evening, including of course, so count down to the election, and right now we
are now looking at what is it now? Just one more sleep until another election debate, but eighteen days until that federal election seven days a week from today the very first votes will be cast, and tonight I can start to show you the how to vote forms which are popping up all over the place. They tell us which way the preferences are going to fly on and
explain why preferences unsurprisingly mean more than ever before. Now I've got to be honest in this one of the most boring elections any of us have ever lived through.
Today was a particularly boring day because they are preparing their lines, they are rehearsing their zingers, filling their heads full of facts, because they're doing debate prep at the moment, which meant the most exciting thing the Prime Minister said today and I just I mean who This is brave stuff, right, he defended veggiemite.
I can confirm here today that I am pro veggiemite, and indeed I actually put a lot of veggiemrt on my toast when I ate bread, so I love veggiemte.
That's a good thing.
I did hear the report on that it's rather odd that they're letting marmite in, which is rubbish.
Franklin, shut up, shut up. I've got to just jabber. I know that if I jabber, I'll beat the other guy.
Just say Petter Dutton's four names, four times, make a reference to Donald Trump, point at the sign and you're winning it seriously. Or this bloke, this bloke, he's got more tickets on himself than Taylor Swift sells to a concert because he thinks that he is plain sailing his way through too. Well, another three years and I'll have something to say about that in the moment.
Or two is time.
But no new spending today, But that's okay. He's done plenty of spending since January.
A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars, ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars, three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar, two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar, four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred
million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars, two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars, three million dollars, ten billion dollars, twenty four million dollars, nine million dollars, fifteen million dollars, My goodness.
As for Peter Dutton, he was out and about today, but again they went behind closed doors pretty quickly. Why he's doing the debate prep getting ready for tomorrow that have happens the hour before us tomorrow night. So no matter where you are, you make sure you're here. You should always be here anyway, but be here nine o'clock tomorrow night. The best analysis in house ououse in terms
of the people we're talking to, not the quality. Will be here tomorrow night straight after the debates, and make sure nine o'clock on the dot you are here regardless of what's.
Happening anywhere else.
Well, the attack from the opposition today, what's going after the home ownership scheme and the fine details that unsurprisingly the media didn't want to talk about with Labour's policy.
The Prime Minister is out there promising to build one hundred thousand homes for one hundred thousand dollars. It sounds like something off one of the ABC skits.
It's a joke. It's not going to work.
And as Michael pointed out, the signature housing policy of the Albanezi government hasn't built one single home. Australians have lost the dream of home ownership under this government.
Constant message do not let the past few weeks distract you from the past few years because the true cost of holding onto labor is exactly as it follows. There are fifty four thousand people who lost their job last month. One point six midion homes are currently in mortgage stress. Two out of three people can't afford the rent that they are paying. Three million people are on the verge of homelessness tonight. Three point seven million households will run
out of food before the end of this week. A football stadium of businesses have gone bust, from the building sector to the cafe sector of many others in between, not just meaning that the people who took the risk of owning those businesses, but the people who work for them, all of it goes put. You've had to pay the highest supermarket prices ever. You're paying the highest prices ever on alcohol, where sixty three percent of a bottle of
Bundy rum is tax. Smoking taxes mean that people are now buying illegal tobacco, and there's a crime wave sweeping the country because of that. And don't forget fifty cents in every leader of petrol.
Currently is tax.
The Opposition plans to cut that in its first year to twenty five cents budget deficits.
Forget the next.
Five, ten, fifteen, thirty, try out of the twenty sixties. That's in a generational report. Not forget one point two
trillion dollars worth of debt. Now, often I will talk about how the media spins things in certain directions, but I also want to show you about some of the genius tactics that some people in politics are using when it comes to social media at the moment as their way of trying to get the message out, because, of course if you simply just make stuff up and there's some wild examples of it, or you just put scary music over things. We know that the law says politicians,
well they don't have to tell the truth. Well, the reality is on social media you can do whatever you want, including the bloke who's playing Fortnite. This bloke is of course a Greens senator.
Here he is.
Yes, I'll hit the GRITI five win election.
How are we going to find out?
Pological?
Thanks for asking.
We're going to make new corporations and billionaires pay their fair share of tax.
I'm gone.
He would like more power in aus Training Parliament, and if the Labor Party is in a minority, he will definitely have it because they'll have the control downstairs. But he's already got it upstairs. Remember Labor can't pass anything without the support of the Greens. Meantime, the man who thinks that he will be at least the puppet master after the election, Adam Bant.
What's he doing on the internet?
Chance is coming done?
I don't know what the appropriate term is, but I'm gonna say it's cringe full.
It really is.
Qringches In't it another example of the Greens in the way that they are elevating the political discourse of Australia outside of well the lowest common denominator. Meantime, the questions that were asked of the party leaders, including the one that will be propped up by Green's preferences no matter what happens at this election, unsurprisingly elbow.
Oh, what a barrage of tough things he had to deal with today, Prime.
Minister, have you spoken to Premier Min's about getting the rabbit O's Italian Stadium?
I think Premier mint is very aware of my.
View considering new step in to help save Marrittfield golf course.
Keep that eighteen holes?
Do you think that more Park of Fortunate.
Made eighteen months?
Are they even trying? They even trying anymore? It's there.
This is how it works, and you're starting to see this by the way you're starting to see people getting there one on one interviews with the Prime Minister. This is all in exchange for not asking a tough question at the press conference, for not rocking the boat, for letting the Prime Minister say and do whatever he likes. Of course, they're keeping counter every time Peter Dutton goes to a pedrol station.
No such thing.
When it comes to the endless lies about Medicare you and I are paying attention?
Many people aren't.
And the people who are supposed to be paying attention on their behalf the ones in this campaign representing us in the media. Or they've got a side they like and a side they don't, and Peter Dutton is definitely the side they don't compare. Have you made a phone call to the premiere of New South Wales to get your football team back into the ground it used to play in with this with.
The Greens to block Labour's cup and you're only vowing to reduce the intake by another thirty thousand? Was it really worth kicking the can down the road for another year?
Can we get some clarity around whether you will be helping the kids out with a home deposit?
I'd Baton has tried to distance himself from your nuclear plan. He says you won't have an opinion on it until after the federal election.
Is this a problem?
I always love when I am naturally asking a question that clearly has not been sent by anyone from head offers now each way Albow It was just as true before the last election, during this entire term of parliament and into this election, and whatever the heck is going to happen beyond perfect example of each way albow where the rules apply differently. To the greatest politician of all time,
just ask him. He is greater the Matt rush the presidents on Matt Rushmore in the United States, the finest of labor leaders, right up there with John Curtin defending Australia during World War Two. We all remember when Pete Dudn't went on with Coylin Jackieoh, and he was asked a question by Kyl and Jackio and he answered a question by Kyle and Jackie O, would you.
Live in Kiribilly?
We would live in Kirabilly. It's a you know, we love Sydney, you love the harbor. It's a great city. And so yes, that's the answer.
Oh my god, one of two options of which he's legally allowed to do. And he might do that.
Now, how did the Prime Minister of the Labor Party, the bad actors on social media and the get along reporters deal with that? Well, we remember because it went on for days and days and days.
Fair bit of humorous behind that comment. I think measuring up the curtains. I don't take Australians for granted.
But why is the segment called each way Albot Paul, Because let's compare Anthony Albigensi being asked a question and answering a question on a podcast over on the Nightly in Western Australia.
You're telling me if the Nightly brings me up and says Latika, will you come out and cover the campaign in twenty twenty eight?
It's you that I'll be shadowing.
If I'm successful on the third of May, then yeah, you'd be very welcome. I look forward and I'll guarantee you another podcast during that campaign.
So a plan to run for a third term?
Now, Anthony Abernezi, who said what he said about Peter Dunton being asked one of two logical questions. Do you live in the paxent taxpayer funded mansion in Canberra or the taxpayer funded mansion in Sydney?
Okay? What's his response to.
Already, assuming he's going to win this election and getting ready to win the next election.
Are you cocky or confident ahead of the labor law?
I take nothing for.
Granted, except there's absolutely no chance that you would resign or there'd be a change of leadership should.
You win this election. In fact, you'd be in it to win it for the third election. Each way, how by much anyone ready to call it out?
Any follow up questions for the people that are watching us right now, as your Labor Party might have tucks you into a hotel or motel bed somewhere on the Alban Easy trail.
Oh, but don't rock the boat. You won't be able to get your one on one where you might be able.
To ask questions like have you spoken to the news of OL's premier about whether your favorite football is Yep, it's this easy.
It's this easy for him.
Now.
One other obsession of the past a few weeks, and I told you this months ago, was that if the media tried to link the Australian election to the American president over and over and over.
Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, US President Donald Trump.
And if they.
Asked Peter Darton questions about Donald Trump over and over and over again, but those.
Remarks that you know you'd pledged to make Australia great again, is that a message that you think is helpful to the coalition At this point in.
The campaign, there's a risk for a benefit being linked to commentary that's linked to Donald Trump.
Well, you said back in February that I'll say this about Donald Trump, He's a big thinker and a deal maker. He's not become the President of the United States by being anything less than a shrewd. Do you stand by those comments too much?
Later?
If they come in, will you blame Donald Trump?
Albert used to use terms like build back better, but that doesn't get brought up right, that does it now? I showed you on Sunday night and there's a version of that up at sky news dot com. That are you and up in our socials as well. Actually going back over the nonsense when it came to how the media skewered things in and around just internemperginper price. But surprise, surprise, the talking point becomes a perception and perception potentially reality
when it comes to an election. Because in the Resolve poll which came out twenty four hours ago, that yet again showed the Labor Party ever so slightly growing to back where they were in the election. A couple of years ago and the Liberal Party coming back to pretty much where they were at the election three years ago. That Trump was always going to be part of it. So put simply, the media badgering has actually worn off on the Australian people.
Why because twenty two percent.
Of people so they're more likely to vote for Anthony Ebenezi because of the way that he's been dealing with Donald Trump. Twenty one percent so that they are less likely the uncommitted voters that's the bottom left hand corner. It's twenty four percent less likely, twenty four percent more likely. So it's a wash, right, what's the story? Pet It udn't because thirty three percent of people say that they are less likely, fourteen percent more likely, thirty five percent
less likely, fifteen percent more likely. If you say it over and over and over and over and over and over and over enough.
Guess what people start to believe.
It like they're going to cut medicare, despite the fact that on day one of the campaign, we'll match what they're spending when it comes to medicare. Oh, they're going to cut cut medicare and not a reporter says heng On. We've stood here for two weeks and you've lied every day, multiple times a day for two weeks. No, No, Instead, Prime Minister, have you spoken to the new Salon Labor premiere about moving the football team that you love back to the ground that you prefer to watch them in?
And I get it, I get it, the carmidates of the Karma bus that's coming for me. But you need to see how this sausage is made. And it is rotten, rotten to the core. Worst election I have ever seen in terms of the overt viewing of the media. Now do I have a strong opinion, Hell yeah, But is that on the front of the restaurant? Do you not know that that is what we do and have for fifteen years and fifteen to come and fifteen after that?
And you know what?
Am I measuring the curtains for the future of this show? Bloody oath. We ain't going anywhere. But oh, these are the straight reporters.
These are the ones that laugh about Sky News in primetime at press conferences. These are the ones who don't follow up Verdick. But of course Trump tump tump, tump, tump, tum tump. And again I love this right for one of a better term the more trumpy people, including many in the Australian media. They're saying he should be more like Trump, and the reason he's losing is because he's not trumpy enough.
The reality of the polling that I've told you.
As a person who's got the hat listens to Steve Bannon, I'm all in and understand Maga completely. I'm so glad that Donald Trump won that last election, but I'm not going to pretend that the majority of Australians do not I view so this idea of just saying he should double down, triple down, quadruple down, because it really appeals to the people we appeal to.
Come on.
The majority of Australians we have known since the last election didn't like Donald Trump, which is why the Labour Party desperately hoped that they would be able to operate an absolute quilt of lies under the dark skies of Donald Trump and the media, knowing that they wouldn't upset the apple cart because you definitely need that one on one with the winning Prime minister, right, they wouldn't ask anything, they wouldn't call him out on the lies. Well, what
a difference a few weeks make. Now, this is no breaking news. It's evident to anyone and everyone about what's gone up and what's gone down. First column, what happened in twenty twenty two, Second column, what happened just a few weeks ago. Final column, what's happening right now? The red is down, the Green is up. Most importantly, most interestingly to me, one nation close to doubling their vote
in this poll in February, still above their vote. But once you start to put together all of the different averages and all of the different polling, when it comes to one nation, that is one of.
These stories of the election. And if you vote one.
Nation, what you do with the number two number will be the difference between our by running away with it or this thing being so close that there might be some surprises happening on election night. And I loved our time with Pauline Hanson last night. It was awesome to be at Seagulls. I love the Mavericks pub test, which should do more of them. I thought she was absolutely sensational,
as was Matt Canavan and Bob Catter as well. In fact, just to relive some of Pauline's best moments here they were last night in our pub test and thank you to everyone who watched and everyone who turned up.
A lot of these students are being scammed for the vote and it's been rooted. So I brought it to the tension of my member of Parliament there to actually do something. I've spoken about it on the floor of Parliament, but nothing's happened yet. We're going to force the issue, Paul. It's not right, it's overspending. They can't manage the country. They're absolute bloody hopeless. As far as I'm concerned, this government needs to go.
She's a ripper and of all of the different voices everywhere else, including you know, these little micro independents all together. Yes, quite consequential in terms of the number of people that they have in Parliament. There is no single figure over the past thirty years that has been as resilient or
as popular as she is right now according to these polls. Now, are they about to sweep the Parliament of the whole bunch of members in the Parliament like they did in the nineteen ninety eight queens Own election.
No?
Is there a chance that they are going to be able to increase the amount of senators they have? Yeah, probably, but you can't deny what is happening right now, which is that either disaffected liberals or annoyed labor supporters are saying bugger this. I'm with Pauline because again, can I show you five percent of the twenty twenty two election.
That's what one nation got.
But in the current essential poll, that's the one that comes out in the Turnbul Times the Guardian What Nation support is at nine percent, almost double the Yugov report which first showed us the Libs are up at seventy something seats. Now it's Labor seventy something seats. But guess what doesn't change. Support for paul En Hansen News Poll up three points on where they were at the election. Resolve and Morgan a little more skeptical that there's been
any significant growth, but one thing is obvious. There is a rise in the one nation vote, which means just as important as it was in twenty nineteen. If you are going to vote for something other than a major party,
what you do with the number two matters. It really matters, because yes, your vote can go off on a long journey, a long magical journey of other micro parties or independence with no chance, and then eventually picking between the lesser of two evils, or you can make an absolute statement about who you want to vote for fe first in the lower House, then in my view, you should pick an you think the government should be with your second.
But where you can also have that maximum.
Power for things like One Nation is number one in the Senate because one of the reasons why a party like One Nation is running in every single seat everywhere is not just about their ability to play a major role and give you an option outside of traditional political parties at this election in the lower House, it means that they are able to collect statewide votes for those Senate spots. So Malcolm Roberts is the one up in Queensland.
We know that Lee Hanson, Pauline's daughter, is a massive shot of the last place in the Senate race in Tasmania. Remember smaller population but still the same number of senators. It means you don't need as many people to vote, you still need a significant percentage. The same of course, when it comes to South Australia, where already there is a one Nation Upper House MP Western Australia as well, which it has had One Nation members and by the
state and federal parliament before so preferences matter. I'm going to say this a lot over the next few weeks because it's game time. It is now the time not just for deciding, but for you to own your vote, to not just say bugger them all and then spend the next three years rolling your rise and complaining about the government that we get.
At some point you have to choose Yes.
Your first preference is I would like insert party to be the next government of Australia. If that doesn't happen, which of the two that are more likely to get the most number of seats, Which of those two do you believe is headed in the right direction.
Or the wrong direction?
Majority of polls, majority of demographics in the country, seat in the wrong direction.
What you do with that preference is the king maker, the queen maker, the they maker to be very politically correct.
And today in Victoria we started to see what is going to happen when it comes to the how to vote cards. Now Labor has not published theirs, even though votes of course they start seven days from now, but we did see what both the Liberal Party and One Nation are going to be doing when it comes to
their preferences. So in a scenario where the primary vote of the Liberal Party has gone from having a four in front of it, which means it would most likely win a conventional election, to now falling back to in and around where they were three years ago, the preferences of one nation which did go their way along with the UAP and others in twenty nineteen save Scott Morrison's backside when they deserted them. You've got Albo in twenty
twenty two. What will you do in twenty and twenty five? Well, the how to votes which are starting to pop up now via the Victorian candidates. This is the Liberals Emelia Hammer, who we hope he is able to knock off doctor Ryan, who by the way, took three days to come up with a proposal when it comes to paid influences. Also, this is the bloke who's running in the seat of Aston which the Liberal Party previously held then they lost
today by election. But as you can see on both of those who got the green paper, they mentioned only the Liberal Party by name, everyone else only by name.
It's a bit cute.
And then there is the Senate voting that is underneath. I believe very late tonight there's been something out of
New South Wales. But let's just focus here on Victoria because I've got to say I find it curious where the Liberal Party is placing some of its preferences here, because while there are lots of smaller parties that will have pockets of support somewhere else, the only one that is currently pulling it almost double what they did to the last election, almost breaking into double digit figures, is One Nation. But let's have a look here the Liberal
Party preferences in the Senate in Victoria. They want you, and remember they go above the line who you've only got to vote one, two, three, four, five six, Okay, below the line every single person who is on the ballot paper. Yes, I'm one of those supernerds. Yes it takes some time, but jis I enjoy putting certain people one hundred and fifty sixth absolutely obviously Liberals first, then family first, then libertarian then One Nation now libertarians. Of course,
the former Liberal Democrats. They have representation with David Limbrick in the Upper House in Victoria, so they are not without representation. Family first, a little more culturally focused when it comes to the right wing. Maybe that's the logic, and then you get into one Nation, Sustainable Australia and the Australian Democrats. Now, of course Liberal Party preferences are only going to trickle down to people who have not
already been knocked out of the race. So maybe the theory here, and remember all of this is in return, right, we put you higher, you give us what you have.
So maybe.
One percent of people vote family first, They're not going to get a Senate seat, but the preferences get added as one full point maybe back onto the Libs. The Libertarians probably will do much better, certainly in certain areas, much better than Family First, and then one Nation is going to do a lot better than all of those. But I would have thought at an election where currently the Poles say that one nation is running as well as it is, that it should be as high as
possible on its ticket, and vice versa. Now, I know there'll be some lefty Liberals who don't like it, the press gallery won't like it, the Prime Minister won't like it. But guess what, Almost ten percent of Australia currently is saying that they are willing and wanting to vote for one nation. Why would you not try to harness those people as high and as fast as possible. Now we haven't heard from many of the other smaller parties, but
One Nation and what they are doing in Victoria. And remember, yes Victoria is different than Queensland, different than other places around the country. But this is how the preferences are starting to flow back and forth. One nation first, then family first, then libertarians see the pattern. It then breaks for shooters, fishes and farmers, the trumpet of patriots and
then at number six the Liberal Nationals. So the Liberals are being a little bit they're holding their preference back one Nation, really holding their preference back when it comes to the Senate, the theory being that name might be able to get somebody else elected after a one nation senator, and then if they had to pick any after that, then it'd be the Liberals. But before people start winging about what to one Nation is doing, what are the
Liberals doing? They're putting them not second, not third, but they've decided to put them forth. And let's have a look at the how to vote card in the seat of Aston Now again, this is one that at the federal election last time the Liberal Party was able to hold on. Then it's MP bolted at a pretty bad time.
For the party.
But let's have a look when Paul Enhanson, Liberal Democrats and United Australian Party are on the ballot. That is what three to nine eleven percent eleven percent that was
out there when it came to pre diferences. That's why the Liberal Party was able to go from a primary vote of forty three percent on top of the Labour Parties thirty two percent, the Greens twelve percent before you're able to get to United Australian Party, Paul and Hanson, Liberal Democrats between them eleven points at eleven points to forty three points.
Guess what happens?
The Liberal Party wins when Paul and Hanson, the Liberal Democrats and the United Australian Party or trumpet Patriots as we be called now, did not turn up to assist when it came to preferences at the by election.
Guess what happened.
Forty three percent becomes forty percent for the Sorry, thirty two percent becomes forty percent for the Labor Party, forty three percent becomes thirty nine percent, and then the Independent, Fusion and Greens give all of their preferences, meaning the Labor Party wins the seat.
That's what happened.
So this vote of minor parties matter, This vote of preferences really matters.
It is the difference to winning and losing.
And in the same way that there is no Labor party without Green's preferences, there is no successful liberal party without the preferences of one Nation, libertarian, trumpeter, patriots. Now we know that Clive Palmer, when it comes to his advertising, has made it very clear it's bugger them all. He's running the same message that he was in twenty twenty two. We know what happened to the liberals and those preferences
at that election. One nation polling higher than it did in twenty twenty two, but a much stronger message of saying buger elbow. That's why I'm focusing in great detail tonight, because this is the game. You pay attention to the detail. I do too, and you can see the games that people are playing. The liberal preferences in the seat of aston. Remember without UAP or trumpets as it's called now, without one nation, without the libertarians, they lose the seat. What
are they doing with their preferences? Liberal first, then family first, then libertarian, then a local independent, then one nation. Seriously, this is the I'm talking about the organist wing of the Liberal Party, not petty doudn't the organ How the heck would you put one nation that low down when you need its votes to win that seat. Honestly, as for one nation in return, what are they doing the Libertarians, then the trumpet of patriots, then family.
First, then the Liberals.
If the Liberals do not win the seat of Aston, those how to vote forms will be one of, if not the reason why it happened. Because when the government was when the Liberal Party was losing office in twenty twenty two, it was able to hold onto that seat.
Why because of.
Those preferences eleven percent of them. When it was a by election and they were there, the seat was lost. And now at the first opportunity to win the seat back, they failed to do the deal that will actually save their backside. You cannot help people who will not help themselves. That said, I am not suggesting give up. I am
not suggesting that the Labor Party victory is inevitable. I am not suggesting that we should not be meeting here each and every night to fire up going to pretend that that's not what hundreds thousands of people are going to get in the elector who are not paying attention as strongly as we are. James Ashby is inside the One Nation machine. I'll talk to him about some of
the decisions here. I don't know that they're different in different states, but I'm curious to see if anything he might be able to tell us about how that preference sausage is made. Now, away from politics, we are coming back to Western Australia for our town. We'll be doing so in just a couple of weeks time. Not this Sunday, which is east of Sunday. It is the Sunday after that, the final Sunday in April, and we're going to a ripper of a joint. I've never been here in my life.
I've dreamt of going. It's the home of Kevin Bloody Wilson Mining. I know that just up the road there's the Nullaboorn Muster that's going to be taking place out back Truckers, Ossie gold Hunters.
This is Super Australia, caw Goooley. Not this next Sunday. Can you get there? Our town at skynews dot com dot au. Ourtown at skynews dot com dot Au.
I want as many people watching the show right now to join us, the people who are willing to fly up from Perth.
You do it.
You want to come across from Adelaide, come down from Darwin, start walking now from Sydney, not this next Sunday, our town Cowgooley, Western Australia. It's going to be one of the best we've ever done. I just know it feeling in my bones. It's going to be a massive show. Be there in person, otherwise we'll see you on the other side of the telly in a moment of two's time. Ple need to fire up about We'll get to that
in a moment here on Paul Murray life. Always looking forward to a chat with these two lovely Linda Scott of course is here labor of the brute straps, despite the fact.
You're sitting a slight green message. All preferences have begun. Preferences have begun.
And James Ashby, of course, he was there in Seagulls last night doing his bit.
For One Nation. Where are you tonight? Made you damp back down in Hobart.
Yeah, mate, back down in Hobart right by me is the casino there? And Paulie enough to wind me up if you want my hands out of my pockets tonight.
All right, Linda, feel free to just just go that five seconds longer and I reckon they'll come out and start firing up. All right now, James, I'm going to spend some time not to buter you up, but to talk about what is happening right now, which is regardless of what is apparently happening to the Liberal Party, one nation has remained very steady growing depend on your poll and I know that you know you want to be a political realist, so you say, oh, look, if we can do what we did last.
Time, that's great.
But a couple of Poles say one point, couple of Poles say two points, couple of Poles say almost a doubling in your vote.
This is pretty extraordinary. Do you see it? What's an example of it? Have you seen an.
Increase in members, donations, candidates? How do you see it as different than last time?
Well, all of the above. We do have more members on board.
We are getting better donations from mum and dad people, though, Paul, we're not reliant on those big corporate donations like the major parties, But I think one are the big driving factors at this election. Why people have been driven We know that the major parties are on the nose. But two, I think we put out a policy suite in February, so we've actually given people time to digest the plans
that we put forward. You know, it's so easy for a lot of these other minor parties to winge and say the other guys.
Are doing a bad job.
But unless you've got solutions for the country, what's the point inviting for another minor party. So that's why we put a suite out of policies in February, so that people, as I say it, can digest them, pick them apart. I don't care the media haven't haven't had one negative
thing to say about one nation's policies. The other point I'll add to this two point, all those computer geeks back at headquarters there are able to dissect the detail of how many people are actually visiting our website and it is double what most of the two major parties are getting.
So these interests people are taking the time.
So for those parties that don't have a website with their policies listed on it, well maybe you should do it.
And I'll know this Labor and the liberal party.
Neither of them put their policies online until they've started rolling them out only since the election campaign started.
Yeah, good point, Linda.
We'll get into the preference game in a second with James, because this is so important, it's so statistically relevant, it matters in terms of the results here. Why do you think One Nation, according to some poles, is almost double where it was three years ago.
Well, look, I think election after election in Australia, we've seen votes moving to minor parties. Obviously that's spreading pretty widely. So we're seeing you know, people voting for the Teals, for the Greens, for One Nation, splitting off to the left and the right of the political spectrum. But Paul, I think voters are thinking differently this election. I mean
I spoke to a voter on the weekend. I was door knocking in Sydney and she told me she'd been a lifelong Liberal voter, but this election she was voting Green and then preferencing Liberal. So you know, I think people are looking around and trying to understand how they're vote is going to be best placed. But the reality is this actually for both the Greens and One Nation.
The Greens leader tonight again on the ABC, has confirmed that he will never vote for Peter Dutton as leader, and James has repeatedly On Your Show, Paul admitted that One Nation will never last night, it's a risk, it's a risk, it's a risk to vote for these minor parties. Australia needs a government that is stable in unstable times. It's a risk to vote for these minor parties when in reality Australia does need a stable government in unstable times.
And if you're going to place your vote with one Nation and then they're going to vote for Peter Dutton anyway, you have to ask what's the point. Why would you risk your vote when you could place it with Labor and form a stable government for Australia.
James, He's the thing.
We've been in a position where we've held that balance of power, or at least shared balance of power in the past Lender and never once where we relied upon by the coalition.
At that stage.
Now we went through a phase where we had Malcolm turbul and then we had Scott Morrison. Never ever, ever did they ever imagine they could rely on our vote. We turn them down on a number of issues when they were so passionate get to get legislation passed through. So we look at legislation based on its merits and that is something that the Australian public realized. You know, that's not an easy feat to be able to turn
down a coalition piece of legislation. But once we didn't agree with we amended in order to help them pass it if we didn't agree with it in its entirety. There was some shocking legislation that was passed. But I'll tell you what, nothing worse than labor legislation. And we have had to turn down support for most labor legislation, not because we're anti labor, because it's bloody terrible legislation.
And that's the point to it constantly going through when a coalition or conservative government come in fixing poor legislation that was drafted by your mob and just waved through.
By the Greens and other left groups like Jackie Lamby.
I want to give a preview to tomorrow night's debate again, full analysis and first analysis will be here at nine o'clock astraight in Eastern time. Make sure, regardless of what's happening in the dying seconds of the debate. You are here for the hot takes, lots of people talking about it, but James, just quickly and again I've only got a
couple of minutes. But still the preference decisions, right, am I right in suggesting here that essentially one nation, Libertarian family first, maybe Christians, maybe Trumpets, you all swap it amongst yourselves before you start to throw it towards a major party. In reverse, the Libs are making you wait till fourth in some places before you get a preference.
Who's the one playing the dangerous game here?
Well, I look to their credit in some states that the Liberals have put us second, like in Queensland for example, which we appreciate. And I think I haven't seen how to vote card, but I heard a whisper that they may have done it in Tasmania too, which is a good sign. They obviously see merrit in, Leigh Hanson, who's running down here, Pauline's daughter and Tazzy for the Senate. But look, we've had now almost nine years in that parliament.
We've been able to see which minor parties are willing to work with us, knock on our door, come and have discussions. You know, there's so much similarity, and a lot of these minor parties, a lot of them just can't get their act together and they can't get the money together to run in every seat like we have. So that's why over nine years we've been able to say, well, look,
you know, Family First are a decent mob. We've been able to say that, you know, the Libertarians are equally good and if we aren't strong enough to get a seat in our own right, we'd rather one of them. But I'll tell you this, Paul, lasts or the last couple of elections, we've never really put a major party on our how to vote cards for the Senate. This time, it's so important to get it right because we need to change the balance in the Senate and that is why we don't want our votes to exhaust.
And the Liberal or Liberal National Party have gone at six.
So your votes in the Senate for one nation, and if you follow our how to vote card, they won't be wasted. You will go to another conservative party even if it does end up with the Liberals, because honestly, it's going to be distraates for this country if we end up with Labor and the Greens controlling both the lower House and the Senate.
Yeah, I'm just thinking that the Western Australian Liberal Party goes themselves first National, second, one Nation third.
I'm trying to work on the Tasmanian one as we speak. But let's turn two. All of this matters again. All of this mats matters.
All of this details matters, and we're trying to unpack it for you before somebody else writes an article somewhere does There's been Holst Teddy in the numbers and some of the participants as well. All Right, this debate tomorrow night, Linda. If it's a draw, it's a win for Anthony Uberneasy. Why because he's currently in front. That said, if the most important thing he said to day was that he backs Veedgi, might is he just put the qu in the rack a little bit too early.
Look, i think it's really important that people watch these debates like they did with the Sky News one. I know, you know, it rated really well and I think it's the first time many Australians have engaged to be honest with Peter Dutton and actually considered him to be an
alternative prime minister. And the more they look, the more they see the false promise that nuclear power is, that he still won't put a cost on it, that he still is unable to account for its danger, that labor has a real plan, that he has that that Anthony Abnez he has a real plan to relieve people's cost of living with practical measures, tax cuts in the budget, practical measures like help for free taste childcare, the things
that actually matter to normal Australians, James, unlike your group, which of course the majority of the Australians don't support cost of living naked taxes and efferent people's lives.
For the kind of debate old tax, we'll see you tax fuel tax and you'll do it eighteen times in the next term of Parliament, the same way you've done eighteen increases through excise tax to every Australian. You haven't made their lives any better. And your pitdly little five bucks will go nowhere when another eighteen of those taxes. Think single early.
But that's a lot of money for many Australians in their pockets.
Do you know what I did today? Five bucks?
Five five bucks got me a trolley to lug my luggage around at the at the airport today.
It buys you nothing correct.
By the way, I just double checked the Tasmanian preferences.
You are right, unsurprisingly, James on this at Liberals first, one Nation two, which is I want to.
Say, paul this really is breaking news. This is massive news.
What's breaking news.
What's the first time we've.
Seen since the existence of One Nation in Australia when they launched onto the scene with Pauline Hanson as the party of racism. This is the first time we've seen a major party doing.
A preference deal with the party that's rating.
Racist party like John Howard did. The honorable thing in the Green.
Is what happened, and that is what Peter.
I'm so sorry, James, but you have dramatically at minorities in this country and when you look in.
And you are balancing them above anybody else, the greatest racists are the Greens, followed by the divisive Labor Party.
All right, well, those are the preferences. They're starting to come in. We'll know more about them tomorrow. Thank you, Linda, Thank you James. We'll resume the pleasantries this.
Time next week. So he's got his hands out of his pocket. So it was a good chat, all right.
Quick break back with more Angus Taylor shadow treasure for the Libs, and I'll check out some more of these preferences as they are unfolding before our eyes. Thank you, Linda, breaking years. That'll make the Primo season. Thank you so much for watching every single night. I show you the list the true cost of holding onto the Labor Party. In fact, if we can show it again all right, Like, more than fifty thousand people lost their job in the
last month according to Australian Bureau Statistics. That's a football stadium pople lost their jobs gone. How many people in housing stress one in six, one in three can't pay their rent right now. There's three million people that are this close to homelessness, three point seven million that will run out of food, thirty thousand businesses that have gone bust, the high supermarket prices you've ever had to pay because of the taxes, the taxes on alcohol, smoking at petrol
forget ten years of budget deficits. The Intergeneration Report says budget deficits for the next forty years.
And one point two tree million dollars stead. Angus Taylor is the shadow treasurer.
He's the man who will be trying to fix this mess should there be a change of governent in just a couple of weeks time. And I had the chance to talk to him from Perth a little bit earlier. We began by talking about how Labour says they feel your pain, but they're also the cause of your pain.
That's right, Paul.
Even worse than that, they pat themselves on the back and they tell themselves that it's all getting better, and it's not. We've sent the biggest collapse in our living standards in history, bigger than any peer country around the world. Young Australians are losing hope of owning a home, losing hope of starting a business, and of course, as you rightly said, we've got budget deficits as far as the
eye can see. We're heading towards one point two trillion dollars of debt, one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars of debt and interest payments by the end of the next term of labor. And they will not restore our standard of living back to where it was when we were last in power until twenty thirty or beyond. That's on the Reserve Bank's own numbers. So this is disaster and it's why disastros, it's why we have to beat
inflation by cutting waste and slashing red tape. It's while we've got a boost growth by backing small business and getting investment going again. And fix energy and housing, Paul, and these are essential imperatives and just over the weekend we are now it's an important step towards fixing housing. On top of getting more supply into the market by busting infrastructure bottlenecks, we'll also make it easier for young homeowners to get into our home ownership for the first time.
This is restoring the Australian dream. We must do that because it's so central to what it is to be Australian. And that'll allow them to deduct the interest payments on their mortgage up to twelve thousand dollars. We'd expect a young first homeowner to gain in terms of being able to buy a home. And this is new homes only, so it'll get more supply into the market and this is incredibly important.
We need new supply. We also need affordability.
Let's talk about this compared to what Labour's offered now they're trying to go and this is many of their economic policies, and certainly the way that they're running their election, which is if they can put a nice title on something, forget the detail, forget the asterisks, forget the footnotes, forget the delays. As long as there's a little sticker that they can put on something, then they can shove it into an ad give us an idea.
I mean, clearly you're.
Focusing on helping people when it comes to the repayments. They're focusing when it comes to the deposit. Your answer to the deposit is access to super and of course when it comes to that time in their life to sell the house, well, you most likely have plenty more money than you took out of your super, however many years earlier.
But let's talk about the detail of labors.
What's the fine print that's missing in their deposit based attempts to win this issue.
Well, it's not going to be enough. At the end of the day.
Young homeowners are not going to be able to get into the market through just paying less on the deposit. They've also got to be able to service the loan and there's got to be new houses coming onto the market to make that possible. And that's why we've put aside the five billion dollar housing infrastructure Fund, Paul. And it's also why we're making interest payments tax deductible for
first home owners for new houses. But the other part I'd make about Labor's policy is this they're spending now forty two billion dollars and that program, which has been in place, their programs have been in place since soon after coming into government, has not delivered a single house yet. That the Treasurer last night when I was debating him, confirmed that we have not got a single family living in.
One of these houses.
Their policies have absolutely failed. Right at the heart of the policies is that government will own part of the house, that there'll be an owner of the house. I mean, this is a ridiculous idea. It's not working, it's not delivering more houses. And at the end of the day we see the Australian dream evaporating in front of our eyes.
Now, if Labour ends up.
In a scenario where it is returned in minority or frankly even in jority government, the Greens are necessary either to get them over the line downstairs or'll get anything passed upstairs. There's claims in the Press today that you've got some modeling what sixty billion dollars worth of extra taxes get dropped on us if the Greens end up as the puppet masters, which they already are.
Actually it's closer to two hundred billion. And Nick McKinnon confirmed that this morning. Again I was with him, debating him and he confirmed this two hundred billion. Now let's go through what it is capital gains tax on the family home, getting ready of negative gearing, going after family businesses with extra taxes and going after your superannuation. They're going to reduce the threshold on the tax that label already wants to bring in to tax unrealized capital gains,
and to increase the taxes on superannuation. But the Greens want to go further and in total, we calculate that to be about two hundred and fifteen billion dollars of taxes. Nickim not disputing that this is a huge attack on
Australian's hardened wealth, their homes, their investments, their superannuation. This is what Labour's coming after and if they get into coalition with the Greens, because they'll have no choice, this is what the Greens are going to be asking for Paul and the most dangerous thing we could have is a green labor coalition. I think it's a very real prospect if we're not able to win with a majority, and we should all be deeply concerned about that prospect.
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