From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Hello, it is the end of your hump day. We're on our way towards a weekend. Thank you so much for watching, gheb you're happy to be around the country right now, all right now there, We've got a lot to get to tonight, including I'll tell you how. You know when you look around there's all these flash cars and flash homes and everyone looks like they're earning a trivium bucks, but we know they're not. What that has to do with Australian politics, I'll explain there is a point.
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What we knew what seventy days into the presidency of Joe Biden that he was quite up to it. Remember that is the first seventy days. We're on it for four years. We copped it for four years while the people who were sneering in our telling the truth. I've got the receipts about some of the lies they told
in real time heavy hit us night tonight. We've got none other than Stephen Conroy, Bromin, Bishop both here plenty to fire up about or it's always in good spirits, but certainly two people that have seen it all and Meghan Kelly.
As always fires up and is exclusive to pull my real life.
It's deprived. That's my opinion.
This is aved disgusting individual about whom I wish to hear nothing, nothing after this trial is done.
All right now tonight I want to talk about something that may fuel some people to suggest conspiracy theory. But may I say, right at the start of this conversation, I want you to pay attention to every little detail
that I'm going to say. Don't pay attention to the headlines, or don't be half listening, because as we know, our system of democracy in part works because we have maximum faith in the process, maximum faith that how we vote will be reflected in how they count the vote, and the honesty of the process to around and gives us the idea of whom the winner or the loser is or in.
Zoe Daniel's case, awkward.
Now, the organization that has run Australian elections is the Australian Electoral Commission. Now, like all government departments, it is a government department, which means, yeah, okay, sometimes some things that we here see and they do you slightly roll your eyes at But the absolute central function of our process of how we elect people is guarded by that organization, and I have maximum faith in that organization. No butt's coming. The story I want to talk about tonight has a
very important bit of detail in it now. As you know, sometimes when you're accused of doing something that disrupts a process in a court, it is dealt with almost as seriously as some of the crimes that come before it, like contempt or define the judge, or these sorts of things, right, really serious, really serious, not to break a suppression order. And that's because you need to have faith in the system.
And a little story has come out today that I think we should have known about way earlier than today. It involves how votes were being transported between counting centers and another accounting center in the seat of Barton. This is the seat of Barton in Sydney. It's one the Labor Party has held for a while, is going to hold for a very long time. There is no doubt about which way this thing is going to go. But this morning we woke to a story, a story of
missing ballot from the seat of Barton. The Electoral Commission's ballot transport process is under scrutiny tonight after a bungle at Hurstville in our South, an.
Official took home almost two thousand votes. The ballots for the Sydney seat of Button have been recovered.
Investigation has been launched into how nearly two thousand ballots from a polling place in Sydney's South ended up at the home of a worker responsible for transporting them.
Huh well, this story was not announced by the AEC. Instead, it was an exclusive story this morning by the ABC's investigations unit. Let me read from the text of their website. When all of this was first reported this morning. About two thousand ballots went missing on election night and were later recovered from the Sydney home of a temporary Australian
Electoral Commission worker, the ABC can reveal. While the AEC he said the incident did not affect the result in the seat of Baden because the votes had already been counted, it has not explained how the ballots ended up in the worker's home and has launched an investigation. Officials at the AEC only noticed that the container was missing when they began the routine recount of votes last week. The AEC was not able to provide details about where in
the worker's home the container was found. A quote given to the ABC by the AEC says, quote the only specific detail I have regarding the collection is that it was obtained during a conversation outside the staff member's house following identification of the custody of the container. Again, I want you to pay a time tension to every single word in this I do not want anyone to take the video and deliberately re edit it or use it for purposes that are about undermining confidence in the system.
The reason I am talking about this tonight is not because it affected the election, but because the AEC did not tell anyone publicly that this had actually happened. In fact, it was only after the reporting of the ABC this morning that they released a more detailed insight into what took place here. This is directly from the Australian Electoral Commission.
The AEC exhausted numerous avenues of inquiry ascertaining that the authorized transport officer inadvertently maintained possession of the single missing container. It was recovered from the transport offer fully intact with all uniquely coded security seals unbroken and without any damage. All ballot papers were still in the recovered ballot paper transport container and were promptly returned to the counting center
and have undergone fresh scrutiny. The fresh scrutiny count matched the initial count in the electoral division of Barden, and it was unaffected by this incident. That's really important, Okay, none of this changed the result. While respecting the privacy of the individual concern, the AEC did experience a number of challenges in communicating with this person as we explored all possible avenues of inquiry.
What does that mean?
We're of the view that, with evidence available to us at this time that the transport officer inadvertently overlooked the return of the transport contailer and was indifferent to the implications and our serious concerns, this does not appear to be a deliberate act. So good news. A box of votes that had been counted went missing. The box was not tampered with, Nobody fiddled with anything, nobody broke anything.
There is no threat to the process. My point tonight, though, is that to make sure that we have maximum faith in the electoral process. When something like this happens, the AEC needs to make it publicly known.
Now.
I don't know why they didn't. I don't know how the abc knew something that the AEC didn't know. According to all of the information available to us right now, the person involved, it seems forgot to drop it off. But there wasn't the only box that had to be dropped off. There were multiple boxes House and Senate vote. So for some reason one didn't get taken.
Off the truck.
So if you were in charge of the truck, why would you not notice that you didn't have one or that you had one left over, because presumably there's nothing else in the truck? Right Also, can I suggest just again why this.
Matters to me?
It's because every election I'll get an email from someone saying, oh, I don't forget vote with your pen, don't trust the system. I don't want to stop the steel garbage to come into Australia. I don't want to stole an election crap to come into Australia. Okay, I don't understand how those plastic boxes where you end up shoving in your vote don't have something that you and I could buy tomorrow to keep track of our luggage if we go on the bus, the train or a plane and have to
be AirPods. It's not an ad for Apple, but there are tracking devices that you can put in your kids' school.
Bag to know where they are.
Why is something like that not attached to every single voting box in Australia.
I hope that it will be.
I'm sure they'll say there'll be some cost connected to it. I'm not trying to panic a single person about the Australian electoral system.
What I am trying to say.
Is that because it is such a sacred thing that you trust that you vote, that they count and the right person gets elected based off those votes, that any threat to that process at all from misinformation as they like to say, all the way through to something like this, the AAEC needs to tell us first, not wait for it to be exposed by a media organization. And it's not the first time that there have been incidents, small incidents, not incidents that have changed elections, but they are really
important that we talk about them. Twenty thirteen Western Australia there actually was an amount of ballots that went missing. Former AFP Commissioner Mick Keilty was the one who had to go and have a look at this and he concluded, among other things, that some lacks security processes were part of why a bunch of ballots went missing. This was such a problem that everyone in Western Australia had to vote again after the twenty thirteen election to confirm what
the Senate vote actually was. In twenty sixteen, in the seat of Herbert, which is up around Townsville, that was a scenario where the Labor Party was able to claim that seat from the Liberal Party by just thirty five votes. But as the Townsville Bulletin reported in the weeks after the election, training Federal Police had to be called in because there was an issue an allegation.
Of multiple votes i e.
More votes than the number of people who were actually on the electoral roll. Reading from this story, a joint committee well pribe voting irregularities in the seat of Herbert after the Australian Federal Police was called to investigate forty two cases of potential double voting. Remember the margin in that seat was just thirty seven votes, but there were forty two potential cases.
Labours cath O'Toole.
Beat the LNP incumbent, the late Ewan Jones, by just thirty seven votes, and of course the Turnbull government we all remember was only barely re elected with a majority.
There was stories that followed this.
And followed what the investigation was, and I'm pleased to say that, according to again the reporting of the ABC, the AEC said those figures were incorrect. There were only forty two cases upon possible multiple voting that were referred to the Federal Police in that seat in twenty sixteen. Thirty three of the forty two were attributed to a polling place error, so thankfully the number was not indicative to what the result of the election was. Is this
story going to be on the front page of tomorrow's paper. No?
Did it lead the six PM news tonight? No?
But is it an example about every single dotted, I cross T that you must have in place for a system, because there are people who are desperate, desperate to try to turn any small crack in our system into proof of something that does not exist, which is an electoral system you can't trust.
So to all of the people who work for.
The AEC, I appreciate the task that is in front of them, each and every election. I appreciate that we are able to know within just a couple of hours, regardless of whether it is a big result or a tight result, what is happening in our country on the very night of an election. I appreciate that they picked up their game and they kept counting in some of the tight seats on the Sunday, so the country wasn't
forced to be waiting until the Monday. But someone somewhere is going to have to explain and we will report on it here.
What happened here?
Why was this known by the ABC so much so that it was the one who made it public, not the AEC who should have made it public, because again, no cracks in the system, because there are bad actors who want to exploit it. Now let's talk to Ebus Elbow. He is yet again up and in the air. I think he's in Indonesia. The American President landing in Doha in Qatar as we speak. Whether he leaves with the free plane or not, we'll get to that a bit later.
But we know that one of the most important parts of the coalition that the Labour Party put together in twenty twenty two and in twenty twenty five were seats that had high Chinese voter populations. Now these were groups who had voted for the Coalition in twenty nineteen, sixteen, thirteen and ten. This didn't spring up overnight, but we know they moved hard against the then Morrison government and hard again about going back to the Liberal Party at
this election. So the Prime Minister knows that the power of the Chinese diaspora in Australia is determined in multiple seats that if any time, end of the future things got close, they really matter. And can I say very clearly there is a difference between the Chinese government, the citizens of China and anyone in Australia who has connections back to Chinese heritage.
What's interesting though, is.
That very clearly on mats a collection of people who voted again for the Liberal Party in sixteen, nineteen, sixteen and ten in terms of recent history and thirteen as well well, they made a big change.
Why did they make.
A big change, because, of course the Chinese government punished Australia for then Australian government standing up to China when it came to its responses and responsibility for the outbreak of COVID nineteen. We know about the trade sanctions that were aimed at punishing Australia for trying to demand greater responsibility out of China. Of course, with the change of government was a change of attitude, and the Prime Minister well, he of course has been rewarded as being a handsome
boy by Chinese officials. He has set about trying to make the most of a new and reset relationship, one that has been seemingly.
Rewarded by voters all over.
The country since the election was so definitive a couple of weeks ago. But of course the Chinese government, which is different than the Chinese people, which is different than the people of Chinese descent who live in Australia, is not your average bear when it comes to a government. We know that this is a regime that has put a million people into slave labor camps because they believe in a faith that the government does not approve of,
that being the wigas. We know that one of the very reasons why we turn to countries like the United States and have to buy three hundred billion dollars with the submarines is because of the potential military threat of China. It's not about guarding ourselves against New Zealand, Papua New Guinea or Indonesia. So we should note with caution how the Chinese President has reacted to our election. The President z has congratulated Anthony Abernesi and says that Australia and
China should work together to promote world peace. President Zi Jingping has congratulated Anthony Arbernesi on his re election, saying that he wants to work with the Australian Prime Minister to strengthen their relationship and promote world peace and stability.
In a written message delivered on Tuesday as the Prime Minister was sworn in by the Governor General, the Chinese leader said that he had engaged in depth discussions on strategic, comprehensive and directional issues in all three of his meetings with our Prime minister. These discussions led to important consensus that have provided strategic guidance to improve and grow bilateral ties.
Strengthening cooperation between China and Australia is one of the g is of great significance for achieving shared development and promoting world peace and stability. The President's comments will also run on the front page of the People's Daily, which is the Communist Party's leading newspaper, and you see Antony Albanezi.
To keep the arrangement nice and happy, where plenty of people get rich off the trade, where no messages are sent via the social media apps that some people like to use in this country, that would be anything but supportive of the Australian government. There is simply one thing Australia has to do, and that is to never stand in the way of China. We don't have to take them on, just promise to never push back.
Or as they did in the disco era one for the old school.
Now let's talk about our economy because there is eight link, as I said before, between people driving around flash cars and beautiful big homes and Australian politics that mix one Jim.
Chalmers, of course, Treasurer of Australia.
He is the one who well, he used to make such an issue about trillion dollars in debt, didn't he.
Trillion dollars of debt, trillion dollars in dobt of trillion dollars in debt, trillion dollars of debt.
But the reality is that trillion dollars will be racked up by Jim charmers and the Labor Party.
In fact, it'll end up.
Going up to one point two trillion dollars when you have a look at the predictions that are there in the federal budget. It is one trillion, O should say, not billion, one trillion dollars. I think we've got it wrong in all the graphics because I wrote billion is a trillion in the notes. I apologize. It is one
trillion dollars in twenty five twenty six. It is one trillion dollars in twenty six twenty seven, is one point one trillion dollars in twenty seven twenty eight, and is one point two trillion dollars in twenty eight twenty nine. As I've shown you before, that is tens of thousands of dollars for each in every Australian. It is an even higher number when you start to look at the people who are currently under the age of fifty. It's an even higher number when you start to look at
people who are under the age of thirty. And always there is a political discussion and there is an assumption that racking up debt is a bad thing that a government should not do, and they will be punished by the voters and they should be. Core belief of mine is that when the debt is going to get too high, at some point, you are ending up spending more money servicing debt than you are on.
Running the government.
And we know that some of the interest payments on all of this is going to be the best part of.
Tens of billions of dollars.
In fact, it's going to be in the top ten of all of the things the federal government does for the next ten years is going to be paying off debt. But one of the reasons why the debt and deficit message did not move the needle at all at this federal election and may while not at the next or the next, or the next or the next as the debt grows, is in part how we live our lives. The reality is that there are a huge amount of Australians, myself included, who need to borrow money to buy a house.
But on top of that, there is many Australians who borrow money to buy a car, borrow money to buy a jet ski, borrow money to go overseas, borrow money for things that aren't necessarily the have to haves, they're the want to haves. And we see today that there is a interesting piece of information which comes out of the Australian Bureau of Statistics that shows us about personal finance.
In fact, in terms of the new home loans that have been written in the March quarter, have a look at the value of those loans compared to just ten years ago. So people taking out loans in the March quarter ten years ago, total value fifty eight billion dollars. Ten years later, total value of those loans eighty six
billion dollars. We are borrowing more money to pay for nicer things when it comes to personal debt ten years ago in the March quarter, loans in the first three months of twenty fifteen five point seven billion dollars now eight point four billion dollars. In fact, if you have a look at this chart, this is the one that will frighten. Yes, the biggest debt that most Australian households have is trying to pay off the house.
But if you have a look here where the household debt the household debt.
Here is a scenario where you're going to need almost two hundred percent two hundred percent of your annual income, which is there when it comes to servicing that debt.
Now forget me.
I'll pick this point up in a moment, but we'll go to the wide screen here for Donald Trump arriving in Doha in Qatar as part of his Middle Eastern trip. Of course, when he was welcome to Saudi Arabia, it was a far more elaborate affair. We won't get much stand out of this because for obvious reasons, there are no microphones in and around this scenario. Parades will be
held a little bit later in the day. Qatar is a really important story because, of course, Qatar is the place where the leaders of Hamas have been hiding for multiple years, living a life of luxury, while the people they purport to care about, of course, are living the
life that they currently are. Qatar is also the place that I was deeply critical of and I stand by every word of it in the lead up to the last Soccer World Cup because it was the place where four thousand people had died because the conditions of workers coming from countries like Nepal.
But Qatar is a big world player.
It's one that owns an airline offering one of its airlines planes. We'll take a note he's not going to speak, and we won't hear much more. But of course the president taking the photos, he will be giving remarks a little bit later. But the beast, and remember there are two of them, has been moving from Middle Eastern country to Middle Eastern country. This trip will not involve going
to Israel. Instead, Qatar is an important visit because not just the amount of trade that could be done with the rest of the world, but because, as i say, their position when it comes to protecting the leaders of Hamas, the ability of the Qatari government to put pressure on Hamas may well be part of the conversations that will be taking place with the President of the United States
as he is in Qatar as we speak. I'll make my point about debt maybe at another time, but it's still worth knowing that perhaps one of the reasons why the Australian public didn't care about the national debt is because we've got an awfully huge amount of debt when
it comes to our personal lives. Now, whether that means that's a problem for our finances where slowly but surely in countries like Greece, where of course their economy completely collapsed, but the people were comfortable until it collapsed could be a sign of things to come, and it may well be generations from now. But if we're in a position and an opportunity today, say future generations, from having to pay off that debt, that will.
Be a good idea.
It would also be a good idea if all of us pull back a little bit. And no, I don't just mean in terms of what we can afford. But one of the great joys of technologies we currently have it and access to credit as we have had it for the past few years, is that there's no delayed gratification. It's everything yesterday, and there are plenty of companies that are around that will help facilitate every little one of
your impulses. But the problem is when you don't have to wait and somebody will give it to you for free. We all know how that ends. It's the same for governments, but it's the same for us too. Quick break back with more some heavy hitters next, and then Meghan Kelly here on Palmary Life.
Thanks for watching. Thank you so much for watching.
One of the joys of watching here is that you'll know what's happening on the other side of the world. What we talk about the most important country in the world, this one with two people who love it very much but come at it from very different angles, one slightly read, one slightly blue.
In fact, I think they're about.
As clear a color as they are in Stephen Conroy, who has always joys us from Melbourne in the man Cave, the carryover chant none other than the wonderful Bromwin Bishops. So let's talk about old mate Chris Bowen, who now is officially out of hiding and of course now gets to.
Say mandate, mandate, mandates.
He wrote an opinion piece in the Australian newspapers the Day where, among other points that he made, he basically says, looks he's love renewables now and all of this stuff that people blow up about where they.
Are doesn't matter. Isn't true?
Why because many of the locations where some of the more contestable projects are the Labour Party had a.
Swing toward it. Is he right?
No?
Why? I mean he's if he's pointing, if he's pointing to a scoreboard.
Because it was never debated in the first place. He had a few demonstrations and the lead up to the to the election, but once we got into the campaign, there was nothing. There was no debate about what was the right policy for energy as the main subject. There was questions about the Labor Party running its line about six hundred billion dollars, which was just a lie, still as a lie, and he's still propagating the lie. So no, he's not right, not on any question.
Yeah.
So Stephen again, interesting again, I mean, we can sit here and we all know everyone's views on this here. But his argument is the reason this is settled now. It's not just about the majority, but in the areas where if the if the argument is that, you know, the installation of this stuff is highly disruptive, and in the places where labor could have been punished, labor wasn't punished. Do you think that his point is correct? Or are you with Bromwin that it wasn't really a fight?
Well, firstly, Roman, whose fault is it that it wasn't a fight? I mean, it's the opposition's job create a fight.
Absolutely, but it didn't happen deinitly just didn't happen.
But so Chris Barnes' core points, the answer is absolutely right. I mean, you don't need to just look at those individual electorates seventy percent of Australians have supported solar panels on roofs. This isn't a debate that it was are clinging to from twenty ten thro to twenty thirteen, and it's bedeviled them all the way through to twenty twenty two when they lost their core constituency seats to the Teals twenty two.
Yes, we wanted every.
Time until it's gone. Parson went and said we'd commit to net zero. He gave away the debating points. That's when the trouble started.
But just for devil's advocate here, So please don't send the complaining mass just for the point of debate here, which is in places like the Hunter Valley, which again, can I stop hearing about how that's always on the table. I've heard that in multiple elections for however long now. Also, as there are some I was a young liberal. Yes, some some labor people say about some things too, all right,
but I get it. I don't know. But the reality was is if there was a swing towards the government in the areas where presumably you know again I talk about this in places like Ballarat right where those osnet protests allowed. Obvious they'll shut down the streets. The treatment of the people is disgraceful. Yet Labor Party holds a seat in Victoria at the state level, Labor holds a seat federally.
What am I missing here?
Because I know where the National Party fights, they are able to hold on right, but you would assume that the X factor that would turn things on their head would at least be a reduction in some of the Labor Party seats where the damage is being done.
Now, look the election.
At the end of the day, the campaign was all about these dreadful coalition people or the Liberal Party is going to destroy Medicare and you're going to have to pay more for your healthcare. It was all based on a total and absolute lie. But it's not the first time they've done it, and it probably won't be the last time. I'll try, but there has to be the ability of the coalition to fight that back.
Can I ask you guys about I don't know how much you heard, obviously, I know you were sitting there from the second the show started, taking notes on everything I have to say at the start of the show, But the conversation that I was having about the AEC and this box of ballots right again, did not affect the result? Work haunted before box wasn't all of that? I stand by all of it, right, We all have maximum confidence in the AEC. But of course humans are not infallible.
Right.
I went through for fifteen minutes what my case was, and already email email email. I'm just looking here at my computer about people saying I'm naive they slammed the process all the rest of it here? Can I ask you both just a thirty second version here?
Right?
How important is it that when something happens like what happened, that the AEC has to say, we've got a problem here. Don't worry, it's not going to affect the count, but we have a problem here and you don't find out multiple days later? Or is it just process who cares no harm, no foul problem?
Well I don't quite share your great OPTIMISMU See. Remember they had to hold the Senate election a second time West Australia. I've seen in sitting on the committee that overlooks the work of the AEC after an election, and I've seen multiple cases of multiple voting in different electorates. It's always brushed aside, not a big deal, not a big deal, but it is I think in need of
a really good, thorough overhaul. There is no reason, for instance, why they can't have all of the roles linked up electronically. When it gets crossed off on one polling place, it goes off everywhere. Agree, but it doesn't happen, not because it can't be done because the will isn't there to do it.
But even in a place about that multiple voting thing, where even in Herbert thirteen, again as I showed through the numbers, the margin the seat was thirty seven, the double vote was that the multiple vote was higher than that. It ended up that the clerical issues meant that the number that even was those accused of either essentially more ballots than there were people, was about twelve, which thus
wasn't determinative in the outcome. I'm not saying this to my ass or to get involved in any sort of preemptive legal stuff. I'm just trying to be like, I'm happy to talk about reform of things, but confidence in I maintain that, you know, the strong confidence in, but not without some of those issues that do need to be discussed. But Stephen, what did you think about this? And again to that central core moment. Why did the ABC tell us about this not the AEC tell us about this?
Firstly, Paul, congratulations for it just again highlighting the importance of the integrity of this process. It is I think something about Australians should be able to have one hundred percent confidence in so to this issue that you've highlighted tonight. The AEC should have come clean now I can accept it.
May be it takes twenty four to forty eight hours and track down the missing box, et cetera, and they wouldn't necessarily want to publicize it in that period where they're chasing down in case evidence can be destroyed type thing. I give them a couple of days grace. But yes, you are absolutely right that the AEC should be the ones telling the Australian public about it. It's the only way to ensure that the confidence can be maintained at
one hundred percent. But like brom into a couple of points of prominence, and you did go to this in your editorial, Paul, I've also sat in that same committee and examined afterwards, and I've sat through endless claims which we've just heard again from Vodment about double voting and all this sort of stuff, And as you correctly pointed out, by the time you finish clearing out the conspiracy, theoristy down to barely more than two handsful of where it's
actually happened. And there's been the occasional case I think maybe there might have been a prosecution. But can you imagine, Paul, in today's world where idiots film themselves committing crimes, that everything is online, do you really think you could organize a conspiracy of hundreds of people wandering around electorates and nobody found out about it?
People impossible if you go through the figures.
To Bromwin's core points and their investigator, as they were under your committee, and they were under mind, and they've never been a determinative and most of the times it's down to an error by someone crossing off the wrong name on the actual role.
But to your more.
Important Bromen, which is suggested that there is an alternative process whereby you could link up the roles. Correct one of the reasons I've always opposed electronic voting.
Post path.
No, Stephen, I'm not saying electronic voting, I'm seeing thinking the rules.
Let me finish, Let me finish my sentence.
Let me finish my sentence. So I've always opposed electronic voting, I suspect for the same reason as Bromen. But my concern about linking them all up in crossing off the role is the same general concern the ability for it to be hacked, the ability to be for it to interfered with. I would have grave concerns of the ability
to secure that process from outside interference. So I say, on the balance of what's right and wrong, I'll stick with the crossing off and putting up with some errors by the officials who are part time, and there's no malice involved in any of this. Then take the risk that outside interests could hack access the role and just starting crossing people off, because I tell you that would
reduce the confidence in our balloting process. We are famous for the Australian process where we use pens and pieces of paper and we have people crossing off, so there's no capability for it to be interfered with.
Well, and don't forget you know, literally the Parliament House email system had been hacked by foreign actors, the plans to the ASIO office had been But in terms of surely there is a secure technology. But basically I want to bounce a couple of other quick things.
But if it's online, it's online, all.
Right, Well I want to quickly bounce a couple of the Anyway, Andrew Hasty has come out and said, well, surprise, surprise, what I think one hundred and fifty people believe in the lah House, which is that one day they would like to.
Lead, including I think even the one.
Soul green left would like to be the leader of what they automatically are.
Right.
Here's what he told Cos Samaras on his podcast. I'd be foolish to say I don't have a desire to lead.
I do have a desire to lead.
All right, So let's talk about biding your time here, Bromwin, I spoke post election right that basically, I think one of the things that I like is that the people who do have the plan to lead one days, they put their hand up. Okay, they put the hand up at every opportunity there is for them to be counted.
Okay.
Andrew Hasty chose not to do that just into price, of course, Withdrew from the deputy thing. What's your view as a person who at one point they thought very fondly of.
You.
Know, you might think your times five years later, but if the opportunities today, you put your hand up today, right, don't you correct?
It's called a sliding door moment, and for hasty, I don't think it is a sliding door moment. I think he needs to have a portfolio that is outside defense. I think he needs to be tested more. I think there's time for him to do that. I always get a bit worried when people say that they're not going to do a particular job now because of the age of the children or whatever. Sorry you had to consider that before you came along. But I do think there's a need for him to be blooded a bit more.
I suppose it's the term well.
And again, so that's about being more front facing. But I liked that in a split second, right, you had this sort of Ted O'Brien moment, You had the Phil Thompson moment.
I like that.
I need a literally less than thirty second answer, Stephen, about your free advice, left or right, labor or liberal. Do you abide your time or do you always bang on the door?
You might buy your time be certainly don't publicly announce forty eight hours after your leaders to be elected you want to lead. That's just poor political judgment. And I think Andrew has is a great human being, a courageous human being, and I think he could be a future leader, but you just don't say.
It just afterwards.
I mean, the truth about the Liberal leadership is Susan Lay has already lost the numbers. There are two senators who voted for her, both leaving parliament, so that's two votes down. One of the new ones coming in is absolutely pro Angus, so that's already seeing this and Breadfield might not. Only that leaves one person and Breadfield might not happen, so there's one one vote just has to
change and Susan Lay is gone. And let me tell you, in those circumstances, Bromwin's team is going to win this one and Angus Taylor will get up some stage during this three years.
Stephen, I have said quite clearly Susan Lay as the deputy has been elected and she should be given a chance. And I think some of the terms that have come out attacking he today have just been stupid. So gives the woman a chance. She's been the deputy leader, she's been on the hustings, and she should be given the opportunity to show.
Her worth an important voice and an important moment of support. Thank you Bromin, Thank you Steven Again. Next week we will see you. The wonderful Megan Kelly is next speaking your heavy hitters and plenty to talk with.
These are your hind mate, How are you, buddy? More in a second, I see after the break.
It's our favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite person in the world, the wonderful Meghan Kelly.
She still has that intergalactic glow. Loving to see you, mate, Great.
To be here. You always give me the nicest welcomes.
Now.
One thing that I don't think any American has regret when it comes to the last election was having a president that is hardcore about illegal immigration. In the four years of Biden, what nine million people wandered into the country and the worst of those elements, the ones who have gone on to can make crimes, are the ones that they are trying to boot out right now.
But no, the.
Democrats, rather than learning this lesson out of siding to storm some of the detention centers where these people are being kept.
Their priorities are so backward I've really stopped trying to figure them out, but they just constantly make the wrong decisions.
I mean it's like, you know, it's like you're a dad, I'm a mom. You raise your kids.
You try to give them like an ethical framework from which they can make future decisions, because you won't be around to advise on every single one.
Everything went wrong with these democrats.
I don't know they I guess their parents had the wrong ethical framework too, because they make all the wrong decisions.
Let's prioritize skin color.
Let's really focus on genitalia and how it differentiates us or doesn't. Let's prioritize I don't know one's sexual preferences as the most important thing about them. And let's take hardened gang members, make them leftist poster boys, or any random illegal who's set for deportation, and not only add them to our list of poster boys, but get in physical confrontations and altercations with law enforcement, who, by the way, are running high right now in the opinion polls, like
higher than they have in many years. America is ready for law enforcement to return in full. Now is really not the best time to pick a fistfight with an ice agent. But that's what these congress women and men did, and the mayor of Newark, because they think that's noble. And they also love to see their faces on television because literally no one is interested in them on a natural basis, like no one would be covering anyone in
I did not know. I've never heard La Monica's name before, and I guarantee you I will never hear it again. But she's in the news for a day because she decided to It looks like assault a bunch of ice agents while throwing down over the illegals in a detention facility.
Hope that works out for you.
Let's talk about the filth that's starting to come out in the early dies of the Diddy trial. This suppose he's pay did he? Surprise, surprise, He's a creepy surprise, surprise. He's done horrible things.
Unfortunately, we're all going to take a disgusting trip to his seedy.
Awful world.
You know. It's the man has no class, he has no kindness in his dark, dark heart, and he's depraved.
That's my opinion.
He's this is a depraved, disgusting individual about whom I wish to hear nothing nothing after this trial is done. The question is.
He a criminal?
You know, is he basically akin to a mob boss running several criminal enterprises. And while it's very clear to me he is a depraved, disgusting person, we have to prove that he violated the law. I actually think it's going to be pretty easy. But I can see what the defense is doing here, trying to say, all right, he has these quote freak offs, you know, weird kinky group sex in Hollywood. That's not an illegal thing.
It happens all the time.
If you don't have a consent of the women or the men, as the case may be, it is illegal. But okay, we're going to argue over whether they were willing participants.
It's almost like a Harvey Weinstein.
Situation where he's going to say they willingly took drugs and willingly participated in these things, and they're going to say, absolutely not.
He drugged me against my will.
Maybe there were drugs in that baby oil, maybe in another way, but I definitely didn't consent to being drugged or to being raped or sodomized by P Diddy. And what's really going to be interesting is the parade of celebrities who we expect to be mentioned and or called into that courtroom. You know, people who we hadn't heard about prior, like Mike Myers, you know, Austin Powers, Mike Myers, What's why is he getting called? Why is he on
the witness list? That'll be fascinating. And then of course there are the no name, quote unquote women who are going to have to find every ounce of courage. They have to sit on that witness stand across from someone who can buy and sell their whole families, who is accused of behaving violent in the past toward both male and female adversaries or so called friends who ticked him off. You know, he allegedly firebombed this one rapper's car for
allegedly being interested in the same woman. There are questions about whether he's potentially done worse than that to others. And these young women with no power and no money, who could put him behind bars for the rest of his life, have to sit there, look him in the eye and say what he did to them. Now, that's going to be a very tall order. There's already been a question about whether one has bailed. They couldn't find this one witness late last week and the prosecution wasn't
sure whether she'd left pieced out. And even if they don't peace out, will they stick by their stories on the stand.
It's a very very tall.
Order we love making.
Kelly should be back, of course, wading stice here and pull my life now. It was obvious to any one that Joe Biden not quite up to it. We knew it when us in the basement. We knew it when just in the first weeks of his presidency he was foling up the stairs, and anyone who ever said it at the time, of course, was screamed at by people like CNN's Jyke Tappa.
I think you were mocking a stutter, and I think you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline. I would think that somebody in the Prump family would be more sensitive to people who do do not have medical licenses diagnosing politicians from Afar. Plenty of people have diagnosed your father from Afar, and I'm sure it offends you, your father in law from a far. I'm sure it defends you. You don't have any standing to.
Say, noticing what I'm saying.
You just talked about a cognitive declin last question, fel.
Are times on stage and it's very concerning to a lot of people that this could be the leader of the free world.
That is all I'm saying.
I genuinely thank you.
Lauren, sorry for Joe.
I appreciate it well.
I knew. Book details all of the different ways that the Biden White House covered up everything that we knew to be true at the time, and that the media told us, of course, was just unacceptable.
And the person who wrote the book, say An's Jaye Tappa.
This is all part of a larger hole where the Biden White House tried to hide the extent of his deterioration,
both physical and cognitive, as much as possible. In fact, as you we all know, we all saw as his shuffling gait got worse and worse from two thousand and three to two thousand and four, they started putting aids around him as he walked to Marine one, the helicopter, that was to kind of hide from public view how bad his gay was, how bad his walking was, his shuffling, and also in case he stumbled again, to make sure
somebody was there. And this is just of a piece of an overall campaign to try to conceal from the American people the extent to which the President was really struggling to do his job.
Same guy shouting down out of one ear and then probably getting award for writing a book out on the other. So the way they do it, I'm taking a long way Caden for a night's waiting, so I'll so you on Sunday night.
Guy Yankees