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This is Paul Murray Live.
I thanks very much for watching. Lots to get to it tonight. Yes, of course, the battle about who should come to the country and the manner in which they should come, it's been one that we've had for more than twenty years, and new version of it tonight we'll get to that. From a bishop and Stephen Conroy. There's also great idea about something that I know a lot of it you care about, which is how do.
We get more people into their first home.
Great idea, a solution, not just talking about the problem tonight, and a maniple Beacon Kelly about everything that is happening in the United States. If I seem a little different tonight than I normally am, it's because I am. If I seem a little rattled tonight, it's because I am. If it seems I'm a little emotional tonight, I apologize because I am.
As you know, I am.
The father of the world's best little girls, and they are in the public education system. I'm proud of them and proud of their teachers, and I'm proud of their friends. But we have to talk tonight about how we are letting our kids down and that the kids are not all right. I'm not saying that about my girls. I'm saying that about.
All the kids.
We spend in public education between the federal, state and governments, twenty eight billion dollars from the federal government, fifty two billion dollars from the state governments, back and forth.
Take a little year, push a little.
There, seventy billion dollars, seventy billion dollars. Today we learned that yet again, despite the money which has gone up a little since those numbers, despite.
The fact that if you look at it over.
Five years or ten years, you start to get into crazy numbers of hundreds of billions of dollars, we are going backwards. It matters because education is such a key. It's an ability to change your life and its ability to set you up for a life. Today, the Napline results showed that one in three Australian students primary upper primary, high school one in three are not meeting basic literacy
and numeracy standards. Now, I know that this is not going to fire up people like the refugee stuff and all the rest, but this is the only thing that really matters, because this is our country and it's the future of our country. And I've done versions of this editorial multiple times where you thunder and scream and flip the.
Table and hope that that's going to get a bit of attention, but it doesn't.
Instead, the same results every bloody year. Well again, the results again are across numeracy and spelling and.
Grammar and everything else.
Now half the country's great, sixteen percent of the country absolutely nailing it. But then there's about thirty three percent of the country that is below standard. There's the best part of ten percent of the country that are so far behind.
That they need support.
The article from the ABC about this there's one in three Australian school students is not meeting the literacy and numeracy benchmarks and more than one in ten additional support one intend and need additional support. Experts say that the scores demonstrate the urgent need for classroom reforms. Otherwise a significant part of a generation looks set to miss out on crucial foundational learning. Now, I repeat every teacher that I've met the whole time in my little girls.
You are amazing.
Thank you, And to so many of the teachers, they are great. Whoever setting the curriculum and whoever sort of throwing in the wokeness.
I have my issues with you, all right, So I know there's a.
Difference between the ultra ultra frontline and the people that are making decisions about I get all of that wrong. This is the future of our country. We talk about the future of our country. Are we able to defend ourselves against China? Well, this is our country today and we are getting a report that a third of its future is not up to scratch. And not because they're dumb.
Something's wrong. Something's wrong in the fundamentals, it's wrong in the way where parenting or I don't know, but something's wrong. And I want to ring a damn bell that something is wrong.
And if you're one of.
The people whose kids are in the fifty percent that are fine or the sixteen percent of.
Great, good luck. But all of us have to care about who's been left behind.
Here Someone from the Gratin Institute, Yes, are lefty, but still says in plain English one third of Australian children are not on track with their learning. It's almost half a million students around the country that are not where we need them to be. The results are bad everywhere bad in New South Wales, bad in Victoria, bad in Queensland.
Now amazingly.
There was not a lot of focus today in cambrid because again, the more interesting conversation is all the sort of heavily emotional conversations about who should come here in the manner in which they should come. And I understand why that debate matters, but I absolutely believe that this
is the lead story today. We have become so used to these results that they don't they said, no, shutter up a spine, and nobody's asses kicked into action, and nobody loses their job because of the endless failures, and nobody promises to do better, and we don't change the thinking. As Kevin Donnelly the education experts often says it, the same people keep read writing the rule book. Well guess what happens, the same outcomes. We absolutely need fresh and
new thinking. Why don't we turn to school systems that work better than ours, that get better results than ours, and try to bring in some of these experts from overseas to have a look at our system and say that's wrong, that's wrong, that's okay, that's a good idea. But if we just keep sort of having the same conversation amongst ourselves.
The results are obvious. A couple of years ago I told you the three hundred.
B four billion dollars had been spent on schools, yet things started going backwards and had been going backwards every year.
It's a couple of.
Years after we had that conversation, so you can add another couple of hundred billion dollars onto it, like half a trillion dollars, and they go backwards every year. A significant number of kids are left behind. Now Jason Clare is the Education Minister, he should be ashamed of these results. Instead, he is trying to use these results to yet again have a change of the education system, where no doubt the exact same people who got us in this mess will be the exact same people who will design a
new way of getting back into the same mess. But that said, he said the right thing today in our federal Parliament about how bad these numbers are.
What the results don't show.
But I want to inform the house is it's only twenty percent of those children who fall behind when they're little who catch up by the time they're in year nine in the middle of high school.
Hear that.
Just twenty percent of the kids that fall behind actually catch up, so eight out of ten of the three out of ten do not catch up. Now, I'm a person who speaks with no authority but absolute interest in this subject because, as I've told you many times before, I'm high functioning dyslexic. I'm a person who absolutely bombed year twelve and got like forty something out of one hundred. I'm lucky because i have a certain series of talents.
And I'm sitting here tonight not asking for pity, but very aware that there are people who struggle in our school system who don't end up sitting where I'm sitting right now, and we've got to talk about it. I want those kids to be okay, and I want our system to be the one that will help them be okay. And I don't care how much money it costs if it's not the same people making the same mistakes over
and over again, well again. If you had results like this and you were the chief financial officer, you'd be very close to losing your job. If you've got the same results and your chief executive officer, you would be very close to losing your job. If this was a listed company, that keeps performing as poorly at share price would be through the floor. Yet nothing changes. Not one person will lose their job as a result of this performance.
And we know that there are plenty of examples of kids who are told not even to turn up for these tests because they too would further pull down the numbers. No one is served by that sort of blindness. Nobody is served by that sort of ignorance. And while I say thank you to the Education Minister for pointing out the gravity of the situation, whatever credit he had with me immediately flushed down the toot same answer in Parliament today.
Rather than talking about everyone pulling together and getting our best minds left, right and center from here and overseas to save a generation of Australians, he made a crass, piss week political point.
And that's what the fifteen percent pay rise that we announced for Earlierede Cats is all about.
Opposed by the Liberal Party and opposed by that guy in the Senate what's his name again, Jared Reddick, who said that paying early educators more.
Was going to destroy the family unit.
This is the bloke that the Opposition leader endorsed and said, quote unquote was a great defender of liberal values. Mister speaker, if they're liberal values, then God help us.
Shame on you, minister, truly, shame on you. Look, things are really terrible.
There's a huge number of kids that are falling behind, and the kids who fall behind, they don't make it up.
But back to the politics. This report should have the same media impact.
As a closing the gap style failure because it is an indication about what is not working. Sadly, there's more evidence about how the kids aren't right. I'm sorry it ain't a rock and roll starts at tonight's show. But tonight we're talking the real deal here, the real deal tonight. Professor Patrick mcgurry is a brilliant Australian. Don't agree with everything he's ever said in his life, as I'm sure he would never agree with most of what I say, but he's a brilliant Australian.
He and again.
Made of Mind Professor Ian Hickey are two people that have always fought for better mental health systems. He of course, was the Australian of the Year, that being Patrick in twenty ten. Today he released a report that was about the mental health failures of this country and particularly yet again, how we are failing a generation of kids. Now, if you're somebody who just thinks all they need is in a tablespoon of cement and hardened up and all they need is a swift kick in the buttet, sorry, that
ain't the real world. The real world here is that the kids are in trouble now. Yes they are in trouble because they're being told the planet's ending. Yes they're in trouble because they're being told it's on stolen lamb. But there is clearly something deeper. The incidents of mentally ill of the mental ill health in young people in Australia has risen by fifty percent in the past fifteen years.
Oh that's because they're over diagnosing port. I know, all the little off ramps that people say to not have a real chat about this, I'm not going to take them. Also, there has been a further rising and a steep rising since the COVID nineteen pandemic, which is why I raged the way that I did about schools being closed.
And all of the people who got screwed over.
But no, people like Daniel Andrews, they get a little gold medal. They have ruined a generation of kids, kids who will become adults, who will become parents, and who knows what happens after that.
Of course, with what is passed.
Down teenage girls, fifty percent of women age between sixteen and twenty four experience having a mental health disorder.
Oh that's because of social media.
No, yeah, all of these things they make it worse. All of these things make it worse. But there's stuff that's chemically going on.
All right.
Again, I don't say this as some sort of wellness preacher or blogger or someone who's suggesting that every kid needs riddle.
And the reality is that mental health.
There are things that are going on inside people and when their brain is building, when there are difficulties or deficiencies or things aren't connecting properly. Again, just go for a walk outside. It ain't going to fix it. We continue here, Patrick mcgurry his quotes. The conclusion is that society is in trouble in terms of its ability to safeguard the mental health of young people as they make the transition from childhood to adulthood. Yeah, this is depressing.
It's not as much fun as it is to watch the block. I'm sorry for that tonight, but rather than spoon feed a whole bunch of stuff that will make you feel nice and warm on the end. Inside there is tough chats that have to be had sometimes, and the tough chat tonight he's something's wrong with our kids. I don't know what the answer is. Because I'm a
TV host. All I can ever do is try to point us in the direction of what the problems are and really pay attention with the people who are experts in this stuff, not the people who turn around and say that we should wear masks outside.
Not the experts.
And I'm not talking about all those people again, I know all the off ramps that people throw to make sure we don't have the conversation, that.
We don't have the chat.
And you will feel a little bit helpless thinking about this, because again, what can we do well? Again, let's get into a little more from this report, A little more from Professor Patrick mcgury, the Australian of the Year in twenty ten. He talks about how there is a huge gap between the number of people who have issues to do with mental health and the amount of money that there is to actually deal with mental health. He puts some numbers on this that are going to frighten you.
He refers to it to the form of discrimination in a funding sense against against the middle ell. It means only fifty percent of people with mental illness get access to treatment. Repeat, fifty percent of people with mental illness get access to treatment. Just fifteen percent of that treatment is an acceptable quality. So think of those numbers. Fifteen percent of fifty percent is the right amount of treatment that's taking place. Yet, we have so many people with
so many problems that we all know this. We see it every day, We live it in our own lives, We talk about it with our friends and our families, or sometimes we keep it so deep inside.
One last one from you.
This is all under the radar, and under the radar, the public is simmering about this issue. If you talk to any family and anyone that's trying to access mental health care, they have terrible difficulties. We want to see this become a number one health priority. Mental health has always been a poor cousin. This crisis is not going to be reversed overnight. It is going to take a political consensus to do so. And while we're dealing with the rising tide, we've got to actually help the casualties,
which are two out of five young people. The kids aren't all right, and I don't know what the reason is. And yet there's all those other things that I said are all the off ramps so that we don't talk about this yere but clearly one of the big things we have to do is start to throw money at treatment in the way that we would like cancer.
That's how serious this is.
We need to make sure that in the same way you have the capacity to go to a GP, you should be able to get access to some sort of assistance in all of the very complicated ways when it comes to mental health. And I'm talking about the young, I'm talking about the old. I'm talking about people who think they're at the top of their game. I'm talking about the manic depressives, I'm talking about the depressives, I'm talking about the anxious.
All of this.
Because either we have something going on inside of us that has been diagnosed or hasn't been diagnosed, but there's a very significant number of people who have been diagnosed, and those people need to make sure that they have maximum treatment. One of the earliest things that the Abenezy government did that I will never forgive them for was they reduced the number of free telehealth sessions that you could have with mental health professionals. That needed to be reversed.
It was reversed in some regional areas, but it should be reversed in every area in the country. The amount of money that goes to things like crisis hotlines needs to be trebled. The amount of money that goes to serious healthcare professionals who can take care of people, all the way from pastoral care to professors. All of it needs more money, more support. This is not because I'm a bleeding heart, but it's because, like you, this is
all that life's about. It is about having a safe country and having a certain set of values, but it's also about making sure that people have the strength to get through the day. We are being told today that our kids are being left behind at school. We are being told today that our kids are being left behind when it comes to their mental health. I hope someone listens.
I hope that the same Prime Minister who made that despicable decision about telehealth reverses it because there's money out there. There's money out there every single day. When it comes to this Prime Minister, it will be harder for him to deal with this than just hanging out with Olympians like he did today. It will be harder for him to deal with than just pandering and saying that AFL
should become an Olympic sport. It will be harder than trying to convince the country of your position when it comes to a referendum. But more importantly, it'll need more than the half a billion dollars that was spent on it. And again the Prime Minister is planning to spend four hundred and something million dollars on not one, but two private jets ordered by the previous government but not canceled
by this government. I just came up with a billion dollars for your Prime Minister, and I just pointed in the direction of how you should spend it.
As for the actual story.
That apparently the media was focused on today, this was the beginning of the end of the earth, you know.
Peter Dutton.
Peter Dutton has been labeled heartless for saying Australia should stop taking refugees from Gaza.
Peter Dutton is.
Being called heartless and racist after the Opposition leader said people fleeing war torn Gaza should not be granted visas to Australia.
Peter Dutton says they pose a national security risk.
The comments of anger Muslim leaders.
So what did he actually say here? It is unedited.
If people are coming in from that war zone and we're uncertain about identity, all their allegiances, that Harmas's enlisted terrorist organization. They've just committed an atrocity against the Jewish people, the biggest attack on people of Jewish faith since a Holocaust, and that the government wouldn't be conducting Czechs. I don't think people should be coming in from that war zone at all.
About two thirds of that's right, the last third is wrong. Here's the reality. In the same way that the people of China are not the Chinese Communist Party, the people of Russia are not Vladimir Putin, the people of Gaza are not Hamas.
That's the reality.
Australia is a place that has a responsibility to yes, have a lifeboat, a lifeboat that cannot take everyone who needs to get into that lifeboat. And we have certain number of seats, and if people from Gaza pass the test, then yes they.
Should come to the country.
But the tests, of course they do need to be rigorous. They do need to be higher than what has been said in the past. But we are in a place right now where I don't know why it has to be said, but it has to be said. The idea that all Palestinians are us is not true. By saying that, I am not pretending that the horrible things that a mass has done did not happen or are not terrible. I am not trying to solve a problem on the other side of the world that.
I can't solve.
But I am saying that Australia has a lifeboat and we try to take people from all parts of the world, including places like Gasa. Should we take everyone?
No?
Should we take everyone yesterday?
Know?
Should we do better? Tests? Of course, so.
As to say I agree with two thirds of it, I of course disagree with where inevitably will go in the next few days.
Peter dun't. Peter dun't.
Peter dunt and Peter Dunn and Peter dunn't. But I just don't know why I had to say it, But.
It is the truth.
Meantime, when it comes to immigration more broadly, not about refugees. Remember, at the end of last year we of course, had clueless Claire O'Neil and the Prime Minister telling us, oh, they're definitely going to cut the amount of immigration coming into the country. Remember this was December and Anthony Abernezi announces plans to reduce immigration levels following the COVID influx. Now, as you know, the issue that Australians have with immigration is not from where people come.
It's not from what they believe.
The reality is that people can come from all parts of the world as long as, of course they are willing to live to the standards of life here in Australia. We should have processes that make sure that you can weed out as much of that as possible. That this flag means sorry, this flag means renewal, unity, all the rest of it.
Right, So we also know that.
On this program when we talk about immigration, we talk about literally a scenario where if you just keep adding.
More people to the queue, well things get harder.
Every state in the country right now has a problem where if you call an ambulance, it may or may not turn up because the ambulance may or may not be at a hospital with a person sitting in the back of it, because they may or may not be able to get into a hospital. You add more people, that gets worse. There are people who are currently homeless. In fact, the most number of homeless that Australia has ever had according to the Bureau Statistics in the last census.
So when a rental property comes up, guess what if you keep adding more people to it and they need somewhere to stay, the rental line gets longer. If the number of properties gets smaller because we're not building enough houses to keep up with the demand currently there is,
then we get into a world of pain. And the IPA actually put a number on this that despite all of the conversation, all we're coming back and all the rest of it, if you look government by government sort of election to election, election to election, election to election, this government right now, according to the IPA, more people than ever before. In the first term of the Hawk
government it was less than two hundred thousand. First term of the Well first and only term of the Kending government two hundred thousand, Hawk and keyting from ninety to ninety three again two hundred thousand, and then we start get to the second third term of John Howard two thousand and one. That's we sort of start pushing towards
four hundred thousand. From two thousand and four to two thousand and seven, the Howard government at about six hundred thousand, the Morrison and Turnbull era of twenty sixteen to two thousand and nineteen, you're starting to push to eight hundred thousand. Alberzi pushing up at one point two million. We are nowhere.
Near the next election according to the Prime Minister.
As the Daily may World wrote it today, the Prime Minister Anthony Aberanzi is allowed to record one point one five million migrants into the country since he came to power. Net migration taken from July twenty three May twenty four was four hundred and forty five thousand, which of course is higher than the number that was in the budget.
The budget that of course was prepared after they had made the announcement that they were going to cut So guess what labour life And just twenty seven months, mister Abenezi has brought more migrants to the country the entire hawk Keating years. Albanese's governments also a whopping sixty two percent more migrants than the rud Gillard term. But nothing to see here. You're racist if you mention any of it. Okay,
A couple of quick things worth mentioning. As a bloke in Melbourne, he's been a lollipop man for a long time. He's got awards for it and he deserves plenty of high fives. One of the things this bloke does is the lollipop man, is that he gives high five to the kids that the crossing the street. Why because it's nice. Some lunatic, sorry I shouldn't say. Some person I strongly disagree with, decided to complain. The story made it to
the papers today. A single complaint from a parent in Melbourne's Outer East prompted the Yarrow Region As Council to issue a beloved children's crossing supervisor with a warning about unnecessary physical contact with children and young people. In a statement to the Age, a Yarrow Range As Council spokesperson confirmed that the supervisor had been reminded of his child safety obligations. Honestly, okay, if you don't want your kid to high five to the lollipop man, your that's what
you say to your kid. And maybe if you want to have a little chat and that look just my kids not comfortable it or you fine, everyone else can high five, and he can high five these people? Seriously, how they come up each and every day with this sort of new ways to.
Make us cranky?
Anyway, Well, under all the men, women, boys, girls, whatever, the panoply of people around the country, who of course are the lollipop men and women of the country, Well, do under all of you in.
High five away.
Let's get to the United States here, where, of course, the Trump Harris election is shaping up as well, just as close as you thought it was going to be, rather than the barnstorming a victory that most likely Trump was going to have over Joe Biden.
That's right, that's his name.
Now, you may remember that one of the one of the policies that Donald Trump had for a very long period of time during this election was very successful in places like Nevada.
It was no tax on.
Tips, massive tax cuts for workers that include something else that stood out to be very popular.
Actually here, it's.
Very popular in this building and all those hotels that I saw that are so nice. I'm staying in a nice one. It's called no tax on tips, No tax on.
Now the political calculus was again in places where there are lots of people who work in the service industry, and anyone who's gone to America knows they get paid this much by the place they're working for, and the rest of their money they make in tips, which is why the service in America is so amazing. Las Vegas would be one of those cities. Las Vegas, of course, is in the state of Nevada. Donald Trump has been able to in the poll's turn it from a regular
blue state to a red state because of that policy. So, surprise, surprise, Kamala Harris has promised exactly the same thing.
We will continue our fight.
For working families of America, including to raise the minimum wage.
And eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality worker.
But the reason I'm talking to you tonight about it is because same policy, two different candidates, one news organization, two very different stories. This has been online for a couple of days, and thank you to the mates who pointed it out to me. Always support how into the fight that you are and fight, fight, fight. CBS News
is the one that we are talking about. When Donald Trump made the announcement, former President Donald Trump's vow to stop taxing tips would cost the federal governm two hundred fifty billion dollars over ten news bad, terrible, evil.
Or all bankrupt everything. When you actually click onto the link, read the story.
Former President Donald Trump's vow to stop taxing tips would cost the federal government two hundred and fifty b four billion dollars over ten years. The proposal, made by Trump for the first time just over a week ago in Nevada, would increase the nation's read in one hundred and fifty billion to two hundred and fifty billion, and possibly much more if it was to cause a shift in the overall compensation of way. So this was a bad, terrible,
economically irresponsible policy. I think you know what the punchline is, CBS News, different candidate, same policy. Vice President Kamala Harris is rolling out new policy position, saying she'll fight to end taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers.
Click the link, read the story. Read slightly different, doesn't it.
On Monday, the White House press spokesperson said President Biden supports the proposal to eliminate federal taxes on tips. The Culen re Union, which represents sixty thousand hospitality workers in Nevada, praised Harris for the policy. The Union, said Vice President Kamala Harris acknowledged the hard working men and women of the hospitality industry and committed tonight in Las Vegas to raise the minimum wage across the country and fight to end taxes on tips as the next president of the
United States. So when it's Trump, it's bad for the country. When it's Harris, it's amazing. Same policy. Don't believe your eyes when these are people who lie to you over and over and over again, ignore and hang here for the truth. We'd break back with more, pleaded to talk about Bromin, Bishop Stephen Conroy and looking forward to Meghan Kelly in a few minutes time.
We're having a big one tonight. Thanks for watching. Thank you very much for watching.
Also, a couple of people send me emails. I was obviously personalizing the education story because all my little girls.
Write in it right now. Their naplane was fine. Thank you for a couple of people who decided to reach out about that.
They're doing great, they're sailing, they're amazing. Their teachers are awesome too.
But thank you.
I apologize for any confusion, especially to my little girls who will be the ones kicking dad right in the place and Bishop is here in the man cave.
Stephen Conroy is here to help.
Of course, always from Melbourne, they'll agree on everything. So let's get to what was discussed today. We all heard the grab and all back and forth about whether we should be taking more less none refugees from Palestine from
the Gaza strip. There are two million people that are there. Stephen, again, I mentioned that I agreed with sort of two thirds of what Peter Dunton had said, where you do need to have stringent things, you do need to have all of these things in place, and if that means it's not a quick extradition, then sadly that is the situation.
But I'm not for the hard No, what do you think.
I think, Paul, I actually agree with you. I think the coalition we're putting labor in a very difficult place with the position that they were saying and wanting security checks following the process, making sure everybody. And Dave Sharma was on Shari's show and he talked about how they were criticized for taking too long over Siria, etc. So I think the Coalition were in a good but it seems like just this last little bit is a little
bit of overreach. And I think it's been described by some in the coalition players behind the scenes as it was a captain's pick. He sort of he went off pieced a little bit, and I think it is just a genuine flight average. I think they had labor well placed. You just got to point to what happened with the decision around Direction ninety nine when it came to the refugees after the High Court decision, and you know, one or two of them began to re offend, and Andrew
Giles was under the government were under enormous pressure. Tony Burke's placing himself in the situation where he needs to He needs to make sure not one of these people express a view or behaved in a way that could be seen to be pro hamas organization.
You were starting to make sense until you brought Giles into it.
Then you ruined your argument.
Peter Dutton today.
I was not prudent.
I don't think as usual. I don't think you listen, Oh yes I did.
I didn't like what I heard.
So do you think that Dunton landed in the right place to day?
I think when he said it was not prudent to bring people.
Yeah, there's two versions of this comment today.
Striking the right notes good point because the words of Mike Burgers worried me. I really was worried.
That was ludicrous what he said.
It made no sense to me.
Which again was basically, you could support, but you can still come in. No but no support, then you can come in.
But I mean, asio has to be above the frack, above the fray, and his words alarmed me. And I'm sure that that's part of why there was that reaction from Peter Dutton, and rightfully so, I think the comeback from the government or we just takes advice, it didn't ring true simply because of that difficulty.
Well, and as Cherry pointed out before, the usual process takes clearly within an hour, multiple weeks, multiple months.
There was more to it than that Bird just said, oh we did check some oh, but some the applications didn't get it in time, so we couldn't do I'm sorry, that's not good enough. So I think Peter was quite right in drawing attention to that. And if anyone is to come in, they must be thoroughly scrutinized, absolutely thoroughly scrutinized. And if that can't be done, then we can't have them.
And that's the thing, Stephen, where again to get how politics works, which is one quote stands forever one doesn't. This government, of course, has done plenty and I have got the examples, and they will be all ready to roll tomorrow if they want to turn around and say what And I don't alway said that they too have
rolled back things. It is what politicians do. And I think that every politician has the right to say, look, you know, maybe a little too far, a little too the other way, but we know what's going to happen here, which is that again question time tomorrow is now going to be sort of great outrage from the left and there's going to be a great double down from the right. I noticed all of the people in the press Scalia will of course wave their fingers all the rest of it.
But if we are going to get lost on the back third of the comment, then we are actually missing the issue. The actual issue is about we have a humanitarian policy, we have a refugee policy. Let's make sure that when it is applied to anyone from anywhere, that the standard is.
As high as possible.
And if we're arguing anything other than that, then I think that's political bad actors.
There's another point in there too, when they were talking about Afghanistan, we had troops on the ground. Yeah, that makes a difference to the sort of policies you put in place, and I think that point has to be made strongly as well.
Yeah, but again we'll see where it goes in the next of a while. Let's talk to some other things, because again it's been sort of tough rowing with some of the opinion this evening.
But I was in one of those modes.
You know, you get a truth dump on this show each and every night, and particular ones every now and then. Now let's talk about hex because a really interesting idea which is being served up by Lefty will never happen, but still at least it's someone talking about a solution to people being able to buy.
A house, which is the suggestion that your hex.
Deck could be deferred when you're trying to get alone in order to get a better chance at alone for your first property. A very good friend of mine looked me in the eyebromwin and said, like I have traditionally voted this way. The person who actually comes up with the idea of how my kids can buy a house is the one I'm going to vote for. I don't know if this is the idea or this is the silver bullet, or this is the solution.
But what do you think of the idea?
Well, there's no doubt about it that hexs deck does create a difficulty with banks with lending policies. And I think the comment that I read today that said only which people can get alone does tell me there's something fundamentally wrong with the way the test is. At the moment when interest roates were very low and there was a three percent built in to make sure he could repay that, that sort of brought it up to the
rate that people thought was okay. But there on top of what's happening now makes it almost impossible.
Steven, let's talk about our old mate, Matt Kean.
So he of course has been given a position effectively to help the federal government set it's climate targets, and then he's also taken another job in a finance firm that of course would be heavily involved in many of the businesses that would be at the very least very interested in what some of those targets may will be to me, you can't be what is it a poacher and gamekeeper?
He thinks he can. What do you think.
I think he's going to spend a lot of time sitting outside the room when it comes to decisions.
Which I share.
Yeah, about a lot of time sitting out in the coffee room. I think this will be a challenging one for him to sustain. I think I've got no issue with either of the two positions. I think combining the two makes it a challenge to be in the statutory role that he has, and I think he needs to have a think about which direction he wants to go.
It is very challenging to mix.
The public and private sector where they overlap so much. But I know Brommin's a fan of Matt Keane. She's probably voted for him once in a ballot. But I'm interesting what Bromin thinks.
But what do you think?
You're no fan of Malcolm Turnbop, but you're still voting for him, So that doesn't mean you didn't vote.
The assumption you're making, Steven, you.
Make it up all the time.
Yeah, what do you I think The bottom line is this that we talk a lot in politics about the pub test, don't we it doesn't pass.
Oh no.
And if you look more deeply into some of the articles that have been written, his job is to oversee how the the credit system works for big firms to buy and sell and make money. The problem with this whole system is that the big investors in Walami, which is the company concerned, are there to make money, as they should be, and Matt Kean is advising them on how to help them do that. At the same time, it's in his purview to be making decisions on just what's allowed.
But again, we're all supposed to make money, you know.
And to say that you have the Chinese War, you can recuse yourself every out in the tea room. As Stephen just said, it just doesn't wash.
It just doesn't wash. I got to go because Meg and Kelly standing by.
Thank you very much, bro when thank you Steven always here to help catch a scooter while you can, mate.
I'm sad they're gone, all right. Megan Kelly's next.
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I am so frustrated and angry at watching the people who are supposed to be the representatives of the citizens in the system i e. The media, and they are just carrying Kamala Harris's water. They are parting the Red Sea for her, they are redirecting rivers for her, and it exposes everything that's wrong about them, and we could talk about that for an hour.
But it's working.
Yeah, that's the problem. I mean, it's only August. Trump's still got time, but we may be witnessing the collapse of this election for him.
And it is largely media driven.
It's an AstroTurf personality that they have created in Kamala Harris, and the voters who are going about living their own lives, not worrying about media coverage and bias are buying it. They're like, oh, we didn't really like Trump and we didn't like Biden and we've been given a new third option, and she seems kind of nice.
So yeah, let's go for that.
We don't really blame her for the economy or the border, like vice president, what do they do.
It's ceremonial.
She seems nice enough and she's not two hundred, so we'll vote for her.
That's what's happening in any controversy that comes up around her her background.
Tim Waltz, his background gets a.
Ignored or b completely excused, and we all get gas lit on it. And look, this is not the first election cycle in which they've done this, but this the depth of the cynicism has surprised even me. I actually did not expect them to be this bad. I've never seen it this bad. And now the polls are dramatically shifting away from Trump.
But we have to take a second to say, something's really broken that somebody is able to seemingly get away with not being held to account for anything in their past.
You know, I think about it a lot because I have to distinguish between me the individual and me the journalist. As a journalist and a commentator, it's not my job to shift an election or to try to swing an election.
One way or another. But as a.
Human it's incredibly frustrating to watch the media gang up on one side, run cover for the other, and then still cloak themselves in nobility. You know, we're we're the gatekeeper, We're the fact checkers. We are the ones who will fight misinformation while they mislead my fellow Americans every day.
So I get incredibly angry that the side I think is reasonable and will restore order here in the United States is so far from getting a fair shake, that they're getting completely twisted and turned and lambasted by this media, these media enablers every day, which is not their job. And then I have to remind myself that my job as a member of the media is not to try
to persuade people to go the other way. It's just to stay in the factual realm and tell the stories that others won't tell, and stay factual, notwithstanding the enormous gas lighting we're getting and blowback.
You know how it is always.
Before the election as a member of the media, if you don't go along with it the party line, they start attacking you too.
But it's all on steroids this year. It's on steroids. This year because they they're back from the dead, bidens out.
Kama's in. There's enthusiasm for her, and they.
Just know if they could just check their ethics for another two and a half months, they could have this.
They can have what they want.
They could have all of their leftist policies, they could have abortion on demand, they could have a black woman in the office, take down Trump. It's every leftist fantasy.
It's like, if I just check.
My ethics for a few more months, I have what I want. And to me, it's just it makes me boil inside, right, it makes me boil. Well, it's not the first time it's happened, you know, it's Trump got it so bad in sixteen. I keep reminding myself it's not insurmountable. He could still overcome this.
I know that they is.
We all know that there's a huge consequence whichever way this thing goes. Right now, those of us have a certain worldview that you know, way share. Believe there's a right path and a wrong path. The consequences for going down the wrong path is colossal changes that I reversible that you know, take your pick on any type of issue. Right, He's got an advantage on social media where on all bar TikTok there are more people that are following him
than her. He has the capacity to, in my view, to a rally during the day in a town hall at night which is only covered not by CNN but by locals. He's got ways to be able to go around them, but he doesn't seem to. Now, you know, do you think he's just waiting or do you think the reality is that he is eight years older than when he was hungry, and he isn't fighting the way that somebody who's got it roll on the line should be fighting.
He's out there, but he doesn't have message discipline, and every opportunity he gets, whether it's the press or he held on Friday or the event with elon last night, he's.
Long winded, rambling and kind of fuzzy. It's like, what is he seeing? It's taking so.
Long to make a point that should take him two sentences to make, and I'm losing interest and I'm kind of bored and this isn't worth it. You know. There are more and more reports of people, even at his rallies which go on forever.
Walking out, leaving early.
They love Trump, They're going to vote for Trump, but they're not entertained by him in the way they used to be, and he is getting And I'm sorry this may sound cruel, but it's my observation a little more like your elderly grandparent or parent who rambles on too long, and you're kind of like.
All right, wrap it up, you know, like I don't have all day to listen to this.
Make a point, Start with a like a thesis, and then your little bit should have a crescendo and a decrescendo and land at some point. Instead, we're getting these long stream of consciousness things that are hard to follow and not fun to listen to, and it's it doesn't help messaging, and it doesn't help inspiration. Right like all the Harris for all that we're ripping on her four she's doing a.
Good job of getting into these rallies.
Sticking to the script that was written for her, saying banal but slightly inspirational things like we're not going back.
When we stick together, we win. People like that. It's working.
It sticks in people's heads. She's on message and Trump isn't. And you know, it's the old how do you solve a problem like Maria? You know, except in this case he's Maria.
How do you solve this problem.
Of a seventy eight year old, you know, businessman like Trump to get him on message. He feels like he has the right to say what he wants, and he feels like he knows better, and he's got a history that tells him he does. But what happens when that history doesn't match the present day reality of the world and of you.