From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, thank you, to make a history making day for the Liberal Party at tonight. A person who may have a little advice as to what their new leaders should do. A happy warrior in UK politics who has championed a need for serious dealings with cultural issues and immigration, so much so that even a lefty prime minister in Keir Starmer is starting to sound like Nigel Farage. But only Nigel Farage is Nigel Faraj and he is on our program tonight,
really looking forward to that conversation. Probably don't break the cameras next on, guys, you could hear that cracking, all right. So let us get to today and the news of the day where the Prime Minister was sworn in along with many of his minister's assistant ministers, etc. Etc. And this does make me need to breathe some life into an old nickname that I had for the Prime Minister,
which was each way Albow. Now in twenty and twenty two, we've got to go way back to one of his first days as Prime minister to show you when he was sworn in in twenty twenty two, different governor General, same Prime minister and a decision not to place a hand on the Bible, instead to take what it's called
the oath of affirmation. Now, as you know, I'm not a person of faith, but I have respect for people of faith, and I would assume that if you're a person of faith, then not taking the non believer's affirmation is not the most ultimate way of saying that to the Higher Power, I surrender and I swear before in terms of the commitment that is about to be made
to the country. But Anthony Alberinezi made the decision in twenty twenty two that he would take the oath not sorry, to take the affirmation, not the oath, not have a Bible, rather than take the oath and have the Bible. This was interesting. It was even noted by the scribes at the time that he had decided to take the secular affirmation other than swearing before God the Catholic Weekly, which I'll be honest I don't read often, but still they noted here that the Bible is out and the affirmation
is in. Anthony Aberezi has raised eyebrows across several religious groups just seconds into taking office by selecting to be sworn in as a as Prime minister by making way sorry, by way of making a secular affirmation without reference to God, rather than taking an oath on the Bible. Now, this version of each way Albo goes even further back than
twenty twenty two. You see. One of the reasons the Labor Party was able to convince itself that it lost in twenty nineteen because it clearly, they say, wasn't their climate policies. They kept those. Remember they just told you two seventy five and one hundreds of thousands of jobs.
No.
One of the reasons, according to their review, was that Scott Morrison visibly believed in God. That Scott Morrison was a committed Christian, one willing to be photographed on Easter Sunday amongst the faithful in his parish. Now you remember how the left mocked him and therefore millions of people
around the country for his belief. So today I went and decided to have a look to double check that that was what happened and what was one of the things the Labor Party said they had to do Differently. The twenty nineteen review into the federal election campaign is this document. In this document, it has in very specific chapters, a chapter about explaining the swings. We're on page sixty
one you can find out about Christian voters. And on page sixty one it says the party would be rise wise to reconnect with people of faith on social justice issues and emphasize its historic links to the mainstream church. In and about. As you can see there it makes reference to the visibility of faith that the former Prime Minister Scott Morrison had now Andrew Bolt did a better job of noticing this than I'm doing right now a
couple of weeks ago. But it's worth pointing out again that the bloke who was sworn into office without the Bible was covering himself in the cloak of faith, which I have no doubt has to be genuine. Surely no politician would perform such a thing. And he's had a quote over a long period of time the three things to believe in was his football club, the church and the Labor Party. But he certainly really dialed it up in the last election, remember where suspending campaigning while obviously
still campaigning. Because, as the twenty nineteen documents said, religion, the embracing or the rejecting of it, has an overt political consequence. Hence why if you're actually suspending a campaign, you do nothing but by clearing the normal rules of a campaign, meaning no press conferences, no questions, no one
pushing back, no one asking about your motivations. It means the pictures that went all over the different forms of news were those of a prime minister on Easter Sunday and a prime minister who said this about a pope who he had never met.
Pope Francis lived out his faith and vocation in word and deed. He was truly inspirational in his modest way of life, and at his weekly audiences he demonstrated his commitment to peace, equality and inclusion.
So we know that this could well be a good Catholic boy speaking about the passing of a pope, but it's also a hyper political man trying to learn the lessons from politicians past and elections past. When talking about his own personal faith, again conveniently around this time where we're definitely not campaigning, he said.
This, I try not to talk about my faith in public. I say I was a race with three great faith. I've said that a number of times, and at times like this, I think what people do is to they draw on who they are, and certainly my Catholicism is just a part of me.
At moments like this, they are drawn on the who we are or who they are. I think it was the exact words. So when it came to presenting as a person of faith, appealing to as many people of faith as possible, the Prime Minister was out and proud before an election. But today, when he was sworn in again for the second time as Prime Minister, we're right back to where we were in twenty twenty two. Now again, I am not a person of faith, so if I held the Bible, it would be an overt active sort
of political pandering. But if I were somebody who had three great loves, who spoke as warmly about the head of his church, who had gone to church publicly on the occasion of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, then you would think the greatest power that you could swear to that you would uphold the oath that you have just given, would be the very God that you may well not talk about every single day, but you were more than
happy to parade when you weren't campaigning. Now I know that labor people will say that none of this mattered at the election, and perhaps it didn't. But if one of the reasons why they lost was because they didn't project enough commitment to faith, and the bloke who has won not once but twice since that review is selective in his invocation of faith, I think there's something weird here. Dare I say the each way elbow of it? Now, there is nothing more insulting than to talk about somebody's
personal faith, because it is theirs and theirs alone. And again I cannot doubt that whether the Prime Minister is or isn't a person of faith, you have to say that he would be. But why wouldn't he show that by taking the same oath as many prime ministers before, with a holy text of many prime ministers before.
That's what I, Anthony Norman Alberanezi, do, solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare that I will well and truly serve the comwealth.
Of Australia, her Land and her people in the Office.
Of Prime stuff.
Twice say each way elbow. I can imagine the hate and no doubt the smoke signals are being sent away of the new Communications Minister. Do something about him, ring the bosses wave the finger. Well, none of that's going to work because in a democracy you are allowed to question everything, including how fitting Kim the Prime Minister is on all issues big and s. More to the transition in the Liberal Party today, congratulations to Susan Laigh and
Ted O'Brien. They the new leader and deputy leader. Now, I will be very honest with you, I was not entirely sure that Ted O'Brien was going to be a full time candidate for the deputy's position. I knew it had been muted, but I didn't hear what it was announced. But congratulations to him, good block from Queensland who showed today that there are many more strings to the bow than the caricature that the Labor Party may well have
built over the past three years. Now, I'm pleased that these guys are the leadership because they are the next chapter, the new generation, the next step forward for the Liberal Party. I've got to say the bench is pretty good too, with people like Angus Taylor, with people like just Into Price, and of course the great Phil Thompson who decided once just Into Price wasn't going to run because it was obvious that Taylor wasn't going to be the leader that
he went. You know, bugerat opup me hand up is showing that this is a bloke who wants to be part of the future leadership structure of the party. And between these three Lay and Ted O'Brien, that's a pretty good corps of people who want to take the party forward.
But I got to say, I've got a lot of messages, just some of the many, many messages that I have got today, and I could show you them all, but I've actually got names on them here right.
Stepping the left direction, big mistake, going from bad to worse. Always voted liberal. But I'll do one nation from now on, turnbull light the ghost's sister, like losing no net zero or there will be no more Libs. One nation and family first had my vote, and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on. But where does this come from? Honestly, where does that come from? Oh, she's technically factionally, this she's factually like, come on, here's the
reality about Susan Lee. Okay, And five things that I think are really why if you're a person who voted for the coalition a couple of saturdays ago. You'll probably be doing so again in three years time. Well, Susan Lee, of course, unlike the current Prime Minister, has actually got a real life to talk about. In fact, this is Anthony Aberesi the first year he became a MP. This
was in nineteen ninety six. You go to his very own website on the Australian Parliament Houses website and you can go and have a look at his entire experience outside of the Parliament. Well, he went to UNI. He worked as a bank teller I think it is for one year in nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty one. Then he worked for a federal government minister. He was a party official. He then worked for the nusobas premier. Then
he became an MP. He is a creature of politics. Now, let's compare this year with Susan Lee, and Susan today told the story of who she was right up until that moment when she was riding around in a caravan that she had previously used when she was working as a shearer's cook.
My story is a migrant story, it's a small business story, it's a rural Australia story. It's a story about a mum and a family, and it is a modern Australian story. When I came to this country as a young girl from a cold English boarding school in my teenage years, I stepped out of the airplane at Brisbane Airport and I looked at the brilliant blue sky and I knew that I'd come to the best country on and have never stopped feeling grateful for this country for what it
has given me. I was able to pursue the dream of flying and become a pilot, an aerial stockmustering pilot. I worked in the sharing sheds. I learned the value of a hard day's work in the hot sun. I learned the real value and the dignity of manual labor. I was able to pursue three finance degrees, including a specialty masters in tax law, which is where my great interest in tax policy comes from. But I found my pathway into politics and I aligned with Liberal values through
the hard work, the effort, the reward, the opportunity. I'm still just as passionate about the Liberal Party as I was when I hooked up my caravan, the caravan I lived in as a shearers cook painted it with the Liberal Party logos and towed it up and down the Murray River.
This is a person who had a full and complicated and real life before the world of politics. This is who we keep being told is the type of person that we want to be front and center in a political party. I honestly do not understand the number of
people who have taken some automatic set against her. Now, if this is some sort of other incarnation of former leaders past that none of us have been big fans of, I'll be the first to say it, but I'm not entirely sure why you want to prejudge a person before they start to show you what they would be like as a leader. Now. Susan does, of course have the baggage of being the deputy leader in this past selection.
She can't pretend that she wasn't part of either the decision making or some of the very significant dropped balls. But again number two of the five things that I think are good about what happened with the Liberal Party today, she does, yes, in being a woman, bring a perspective to the leadership of the party it has never seen before. I know crazy don't talk about it, but can I tell you something, and I'm going to have to put
my glasses on for this. Since twenty twenty two and twenty twenty five, the Liberal Party has lost thirty seats thirty seats. Twelve out of the twelve they lost this election had more female voters in those seats, and not by a little bit. By the way, in twenty and twenty two, when they lost eighteen seats, sixteen of the eighteen had more female voters in each of those seats. Put that together, twenty eight of the thirty seats the party has lost since it lost government have more female
voters seat by seat than male voters. And again let me explain some of the differences here. Firstly, these are all of the seats where there are more female voters than males, and all of these seats of the seats that the Liberal Party has lost since twenty twenty two, Banks, Bass, Benelong, Bonner, Boothby, Braden, Brisbane, Chisholm, Curtain, Deacon, Dixon, Ford, Goldstein, Higgins, Hughes, cou Yong, Leichhardt, Mckella, Moore, North Sydney, Piers, Petrie, Reed, Robertson,
Ryan Sturt, Tangy and Wentworth. Only two had more blokes, and that was has Luck where it was less than a thousand, and Swan where it was two hundred more blokes than women. Instead in some of these places that I'm looking at here, here's the reality. Say in the Seed of Dixon, the one that was just lost by Peter Dunnon, was a two thousand vote difference there. When you talk about people over fifty or under fifty, the
difference there was nine thousand votes. Now I get it that politics is about philosophy, Politics is about belief, politics is about values, and I am not trying to talk anyone out of any of those things. But it's also about maths. And in the same way that you have to have the numbers in the party room to become the leader, to become the deputy leader, or in the Labor Party to hold on to or to get a ministry.
The numbers show us that female voters matter. Why because can I show you the primary vote according to the essential poll, this is over the past couple of years, pretty stable that more blokes we in favor of the coalition over the past couple of years. Again, same poll. However, when it comes to females, it's not all heading the way of the Labor Party. In fact, it's kind of fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty and
then it really drops off. So that's why it really matters that the party that has lost twenty eight of thirty seats it has lost since twenty twenty two that have more women than men, and again I'll gladly run through every number four year if you want that they need to do something to reconnect. And clearly, the first popularly elected female leader of an Australian political party not installed by the factions and then propped up post a dead head election like Julia Gillard, this is a big
and important moment. But the idea that oh she's from this faction, which means this, which come on, this is going to be a good day for many people. It means it's a different perspective and it's one where clearly more than half of the country currently has. And I get it, not all blokes one way, not all ladies another. There's not one way to talk to certain demographics. You talk to networks. I get it, I get it, I
get it. But if in every in twenty eight or thirty seats you've lost one data point is screaming at you. You don't put a leader in who's female because they're female. But if you have a female deputy, probably a good idea that the vice captain can become the captain. The third thing that is worth talking about about the change of leadership that took place today is that everything's on
the table now again. I am a person whose first and utter loyalty is to you the viewer, and certainly when it comes to the political vessels in which we trust, you know that I wanted a change of government, and I wanted to change a prime minister. And even if you're a person who might be a little more libertarianan or a little more one nation, I've sat here for how long talking about preference discipline that you always had should have Number two as the party you choose to
form government. But the point is when you have lost a couple of elections and you've lost that many seats, and remember there's a bunch of Tier ones that don't ever come back, which doesn't mean you're not competitive, but the point is that even if you won all of those seats, well, then you'd only be in a position where you'd still be pushing for minority government, and that obviously won't be happening in the next three years, so
why not try to put everything on the table. And that's exactly what is going to happen when it comes to policy now. I personally think she should have stood up there today and said, look, here's the deal, reset everything we took to the last election currently up on stilts. And I know she wouldn't say it, and I know he's no political hero of mine, but I can't help but think where Bill Shorten first became leader after the Labor Party was trunced by Tony Abbott in twenty thirteen.
And remember, by the way, the day the party broke and the day the party I'm not going to say died but certainly got krook was the day Malcolm Turnbull knifed Abbot. Okay, it was that day because the Liberal Party had become just like the Labor Party and the holy difference between Team Red and Team Blue was broken for millions and millions of people. That's facts too. But just like Bill Shorton said about the Labour Party, there are three things you need to do in the three
years that are the period of time between elections. First year focus on your party, get it fit, get the machine up and run, and get make sure that the right candidates are in place. Second year work on the policy, well, obviously you should have been doing that at the same time as you're doing the party. And then in the third year is when you focus on the politics of an election. Now, the truth is, of course you do
all three at all three times. But when you're in a position where no one thinks you're going to win the next election, millions of people hope that you get close, and certainly close enough to take some barker for we think you know, it's going to be a pretty arrogant government. I mean, the Prime Minister is already off airbus elbow before the end of the week because you see, he
thinks he's over that hoop that doesn't matter anymore. And he's got many more flights after the one that's coming up this week because of course he absolutely must go to the inauguration of the Pope, but then won't hold the Bible when he's being sworn in. Help me out, Help me out. So this is what they said about policy today.
I committed to my colleagues that there would be no Captain's calls from anywhere by me, and I also committed during the discussions I had with him this week that we would work through every single policy issue. We would canvass the different views, and we would take the time
to get it right. And you might hear me saying take the time to get it right quite a lot this morning, because that's really important, and unsurprisingly in our party, there are many different views, and we will listen and we will take the positions that we need to at the appropriate time.
All right. As for the fourth thing here, that she wasn't going to be pushed around by the camera media. This is really important because you see, the truth is that some of the most arrogant people in the building are the people who observe the process, who aren't in the process but think they are the process. He's a little bit of the back and forth about how she held her own today, which I liked.
Appreciating that you're here now, Will you, as leader, unlike your predecessor, continue to put yourself regularly before the canbra press, gullery and before a broad section of the media, just you know, for the basic transparency, accountability and to air ideas.
Yes, I will, Sarah Okay, this was the fourth question was that one? But the one that I really liked seeing was the pushback with the blokou verbal just enterprise during the election, Jason, you.
Didn't in that zero. It's been a fought long and hard inside your party room.
We thought it was settled.
Is it settled or not.
We have to get energy policy as a whole right, but we have to recognize that we need a strong country that is committed to a manufacturing base that relies on cheap, reliable energy.
You're prepared to walk away from netsuit.
You're putting words in my math, Andrew. No policies have been adopted or walked away from at this time.
And finally, I really liked that there was a little moment which shows that a person having one of the best days of their professional career still was all about family first. Lovely photo was put out by Susan Lee over the weekend. This is her with her kids and with their grandkids. Photo of a divorced mum with a real life, with a dream to be part of the national conversation. Possible hill of being able to win an election in three years time, but maybe competitive in six.
But even though she was hustling for votes and making all of the phone calls. She was probably doing so not too far from her mum, like all of our moms we love, but her mum is dying. And she made that point today that she wanted her mum to hear through a radio or tell her wherever she is how important her mum was and is to her.
I just want to say a few words I would acknowledge my mum, Angela in Aubury On. My mom is very sick and on Mother's Day before I came up here, I called in to see her and I thought that it might be the last time that I did. She is in end of life care and this week has been tough because I've kept in touch with her and her medical team and my family, and I just wanted
to mention and my mum this morning. And I know you'll understand that after I've taken all of your questions exhaustively, I will be heading home to be by her side. And my mom grew up in wartime Britain and the values of resilience, self reliance and persistence that I believe I have today come from her. So thank you, Mum.
So five things so join me, join me in the conversation and the debate and the want to hold a bad government accountable. Do not get distracted by the internal games or the people who are trying to stir the internal games. I get it, it's really important, and values matter and principles matter, and I'm not asking anyone anywhere to change those things. But if you're sending me messages on our on day one, then how does that make
anything anything harder for the federal government? I do not understand. Send me an email with your thoughts or your complaints. I will reply, I promise. Paul at Skyews dot com dot au all right, but I just believe. Why not give it a go. Let's see how it goes. She makes terrible decisions, I'll be first in line. And you know how loud my voice can get in the meantime. Good luck to her and strength and love to wear mum. All right, quick break back with more pleay to talk
about here tonight. Nigel Farras joins us in a couple of moments time here on Paul Murray Live. Don't forget you can always jump on the socials anytime when we always give you a little preview on the Facebook page about who's coming up each and every night. Thanks for watching.
All right, let's get into conversation right now with Michael Kroger leads you to the Liberal Party in Victoria and a man who holds his own here on Sky News, but more importantly is right by Paul and Hanson's side when it comes to all things one Nation in Queensland and around the country, the wonderful James Ashby. So, Michael, what did I get wrong about the new leader of the Liberal Party.
No, I think you've got nearly all of that right, mate. I think that's all pretty true. I thought she had a very impressive start today. I mean, look, let's put everything aside. The next three years in this country will be about the state of the economy. And it certainly helps when your leader has a master's in tax and accounting. Tax is very very complicated subject, and she's got a
master's degree. So you're talking with someone pretty sophisticated. And she's also a very good communicator, so I think she understands that. She's pretty tough and mate, as you said, her background is just fantastic in the modern era. I mean, no offense to albow and other professional politicians who've climbed the ladder all the way, which is great. This woman I mean to be a shareer's cook of all things,
and the other things she's done. It's just what an extraordinary life experience sport in Nigeria, what an extraordinary life experience to get to the top of lieral parties. No mean for she've beaten a very outstanding candidate in Angus Taylor. So Matte, I think you got that. I think you got that pretty right. I think she's made a very good start.
Now, James, has your inbox been filled with people that are sending me messages saying that's it, I'm done changing party and again, Look, I get why people have this sort of reaction, right. I've yelled the telly when the tigers are getting flogged what's sixty nil or whatever it was on the weekend. I've screamed and bellowed when you know something goes wrong in a pit stop, in a formula. I get it, right, I get it. It's your team. You want nothing but the best. So I'm never going
to tap down somebody's passions or believe any of that stuff. Right, and don't believe any of the dog whistle garbage about somebody or anyone who's going to try to pretend that that's what I've done tonight. Right, it's not true. Right, we're all part of the one big fire up here. But what do you think about Susan Lay as the
leader at least sorry, as the leader? What does mean and is it also a difficult question to answer before we know who's even her no shadow cabinet and how she's going to run the show.
Well, I do want to wish her all the best.
The whole country is reliant on the Liberal Party selecting somebody who's going to do very well.
We need that.
One nation not going to be government anytime soon. So I do want to see Susan Lay do well. But the reason why she had to explain her history is because nobody really knows much about her. She has been on the front bench for quite some time. I would almost describe Susan Lee as somewhat of a chameleon because she blends. No one knows anything about her, and when she has sort of come out of the shadows, it
has been for things where she's made mistakes. She was the first Liberal person to back the banning of sheep exports. She was forced to explain herself today. There she was again forced to explain herself over the Palestinian issue, where she backed Palestine at that time, and again she's had to explain herself. We've had to deal with her as Environment Minister when she was in cabinet under the Morrison government over environmental issues, trying to get minds up and
approved here in Queensland. She didn't have the courage that a leader requires to sign something off and then explain herself, you know, debate those people who want to say you shouldn't have done that. So I haven't seen any courage out of this new leader.
I like Susan. She's intelligent, there's no doubt about that.
When we have conversations, because we're both pilots, it generally goes to aviation. But as a leader, you cannot be a windsock on an airfield.
You cannot swing in the breeze.
You've got to stand for something, and as Ted O'Brien said today, Ted was very clear on the vision he's got for the Liberal Party. I hope that his deputy position to her strengthens her armor and she does very well. The country is relying on Susan Lee. Wish are all the best, but we will as one nation also call her to account when she gets things wrong.
Michael, can I ask a question which may take the rest of the show to answer, but do you best not to? We've got Nigel and a few more other topics here. Obviously there are square pegs.
Nigel hasn't been in the news.
That's all right. The satellite time comes out of my con comes out of my pocket. There are square pegs and round holes, right, So sometimes there might be something that you think is absolutely the right answer, the right policy prescription, but it doesn't fit into the square peg or the round hole of what the election is telling you,
what the polls are telling you. And I'm not going to pick a specific policy, but how do you know the difference between something that you're willing to lose multiple times over but it is a fundamental thing that you believe is better than everything else out there? End those moments where you have to move on. Now, I don't know whether you move on from things just because they failed once, or whether the square peg becomes a round hole because people all get rounder the older they get.
Yeah, it's made it's a great it's actually a great question and the answer is vague, but essentially it's this, what does your party stand for? Why was it founded, what is it believed, What's what's been? What's the core, what's the spine of the Liberal Party? What has it been for eighty year? Is why do people vote for the Liberal Party? Why are the vote for the Labor Party?
What are the vote for one nation? What is the what is the you know, compelling argument that that through your through your history has led people to support you, and those principles and values of the Liberal Party are well established. We're getting into trouble when our core values are not the major part of the political debate. So if you give away, you know, the economic debate as the primary debate in this country and allowed to be about healthcare or the cost of nuclear then you're going
to tend to do badly. And let's be frank made everything in this country, as it does in every country, depends on how wealthy economy is going. Every social service, every defense, every assistance to the poor and the underprivilege and the needy depends on how wealthy economy goes. And that's why it should always be the primary debate but the Liberal Party will never win a spendethon because government
bunds are not unlimited. And this, you know, this la la land of economics that the western nations of the world are in at the minute, where you just keep printing money and keep running up debt. There's a day of reckoning coming. You know it's coming in Victoria because we've got a budget here on the twentieth of May where there'll be slashing and burning by the Allen government who are basically bankrupted Victoria. So the answer to question
is what are our core beliefs? Now? You see, I think nuclear a good policy, important, Polish should stay, should be in private sector hands with limited assistance, etc. But it's never been core to the Liberal Party's brand offering. You know, Mensie spoke about it, others have spoken about it, but we never did anything about nuclear between thirteen and twenty two when we're in government. So is it a
core value of the Liberal Party? Has it been the reason I joined the Liberal Party or anyone joined the Little Party?
No?
But free enterprise, free markets, freedom of speech, individual responsibility, security, national defense, well managed budget and economy. There have been the core principles of the Liberal Party ever since Men'si's founded us in nineteen forty four.
All right, James, what do the new ministers tell you about the potential way this government goes in the next three years. I think that rewarding, say a communications minister who wanted to censor the Internet by now making them
the person in charge of the law says something. I think that freeing the distraction of aged care for the free beloving sports minister now become the communications minister, who, of course main form of communication is social media, is a bit of a sign as the message they're trying to send, as well as of course the endless loveiness in and around the ABC. But what about some of these other appointments. What do they tell you about what Albo wants to achieve in the next three years.
Well, there's that old get somewhat you just set up in ten seconds. It's called failing up. Some of these people get rewarded for poor behavior or even bad behavior in that sense. But the issue that I see moving forward, Look, they're going to get some of their worst controversial legislation.
Out of the way first. It's always the way.
That's why the Liberal Party are having their arguments now It's why the National Party have had theirs and bad legislation is always best dealt with at the start of a term, isn't it amazing? Though what we'll see is greater debt, We'll see greater regulation. The cost to do anything moving forward will only increase, so your dollarbise less
moving forward. Would My greatest concern that we're going to see in this next three years of parliament, given the suite of ministers who've been elevated, is that there isn't a great deal of experience amongst them all, and those with any experience.
Haven't really done very very much in their term.
It's going to result in more to fix up after this three year term if the coalition and other Conservative parties can get their act together, work together to get rid of this bad government. If I sum it up, you know, you remember that Van Milli Vanilli, the greatest fake ban on the planet. They were never seen again when they were discovered to be so bad and fake. This bloke was discovered during an election cycle that he
was fake. He stood for nothing, and yet what do we do We rewarded with him with another three years. I don't understand the psyche of some Australians.
Well that's it. But you know, I respeak to the old the mob is always right, the people are always right. So you know, when they choose you, they're right. Well, when they go the other way, that's fine, that's fine, James. But right, last one here I want to ask about, which is AI interesting? Poll in the Essential today, the Turnbull Times. Of course, sixty percent of people view the use of AI in Australian industry as something that's going
to cut costs but more importantly cut jobs. Now, we just went through an election where nobody wanted to talk about it because, you know, complicated and stuff and not as easy as I'm hardly a planstic cat or the ugod Book of music just around another leader. So you know, this may be a slightly more complicated conversation than some people want to say. But what does that tell you, Michael, either about how businesses need to use it responsibly or
is the truth that people are afraid of it? Because yeah, that's what it actually means.
Mate, that's absolutely true.
I don't look, you know, there are turning points in your life. I've never seen anything like the power of AI, nor has anyone. Do we need books anymore. Do we need tutors? Will we need teachers? Will we need university professors? Will we need academics? Will we need.
TV hosts now that's it.
Artists look at.
It, or commentators. Will we need singers, will we need actors?
Models?
I mean, the power of this thing is just unbelievable. It's going to replace humans in so many fields. It's just gobsmaking. It's breathtaking that you can just ask all these questions, you can get long detail answers to everything.
You know.
It was in the car.
They are one of my sons, and we were asking Ai where are we and they were telling us exactly where we were on the Eastern Freeway and the power is just like nothing we've ever seen. So yeah, it doesn't mean there's going to be big change in the world in the next ten years. Absolutely there are absolutely all.
Right, good stuff, lads, appreciate it. We'll talk again next week where yes, it will be a human conversation happening live. There'll no be waiting for generate, generate generate. Maybe in a few years, well see what happens. Thank you guys, do appreciate it all right, The wonderful Nigel Farras joins a straight out of the break again big News at British politics. It is turning to him on the issues and in the polls. Perhaps the next Prime Minister is exclusive on Paul Murray life.
It's time for the man who's never boring, the leader of the Reform Party in the United Kingdom, and our to your friend, maybe the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom who keeps the roll up, the head of the Reform Party none other than the wonderful Nigel Faras.
Nigel love you to see you. Things keep rolling your way, not just the results, but the issue you have been bang on, bang on, bang on, bang on for as long as that the UK should be free from Europe is about immigration, that you should have control of your borders. And here is the UK Prime Minister trying to sound like you. Let's see the tape.
Will finally take back control of our borders and close the book on a squalid chapter for our politics, our economy and our country.
What's your responsible?
Well, he spent his whole career as a human rights lawyer, as head of our Prosecution Service, as leader of the Labor Party, openly campaigning for free movement of people, open borders. Anyone that criticizes mass immigration is a biggot and a really bad dude. He's actually prevented people from being deported despite the fact they were serious criminals because of the European Human Rights law. And now because he gets an absolute pounding on the first of May from reform, suddenly
he believes in control. He understands that it's caused mass immigrations, caused huge damage to our economy, to people's lives, and any conclusion you can reach is a total and utter fraud.
Yeah, and every I mean again him is so obviously responding to an election that happened in the past couple of weeks, right, because where was this two weeks before, two months before? Where was this during an election campaign? And the thing that these guys never ever ever understand, right, is that they think that, oh, it's all about the
small boats and the illegal immigration. No, it's also about adding hundreds of thousands, name millions of people to every queue in the country, so everyone who's already in the queue, that's what irritates them.
Yeah, I mean, we have to build a new house in this country, a new house every two minutes. Think about that. Just to cope with current levels of immigration. Our populations increased by ten million over the course of the last twenty years. So no wonder you can't get an appointment with your doctor now one of the roads are clogged. It really has damaged people's way of life and it's made them poorer too. But look, Starmer, having said all these things, Firstly, it's going to hurt him
because it'll split the left. There'll be more people voting green, voting for the Gaza independence, There'll be other independent left wing candidates that could really hurt the labor vote because these guys, they're a small percentage, but these guys believe in complete open global borders, a bit like the old Trotsky It's going back over one hundred years. And as far as my supporters are concerned, they're going to look at this. Are they going to say, oh, it's all okay,
we don't need Farryes anymore. Starmer's are man. No, they won't believe him either. He's in real, real trouble. And I have to say he lacks total sincerity. He's all about power for the pursuit of power, not actually what you can do with it. And I think people will see through this. In fact, they have already what.
A thumping cartoon in the Times of London. By the way, if we can have a look here at the depiction of the Prime Minister presumably having a conversation with the good British people. Here we risk becoming an island of strangers. The person responds, I don't know who you are anymore. A very good point. I didn't know it was a smoker, by the way, But anyway, minor detail, how do normal people react to this sudden change? Do you think.
Now?
The part of the cartoon, Paul is I'm known when I'm out campaigning for wearing yellow Cordroi trousers right, my apology and overcoat with a velvet jacket and having a pint and a fact, that's me. I've got Union Jack tidd as well. That's me with Star Wars head on it. That's why the cartoons really funny. They're trying to imitate me. But you know what I said, it's something you can't out pharage farage because if you do, you're whistling in the wind.
And there will be plenty of people who think that there's you know, a little bit of the farage magic, a little bit of the ideas if we can shave two percent here, four percent there, then when then basically we know in a first past the post, if we can make thirty four thirty and we can make thirty thirty one, then we don't have to deal with this yere.
But I think when people can sense momentum, they do and I think that they're going to get behind something that's going to actually change things, because you can have a whole bunch of people saying, well, here's my version of the same, or here's my version of the same in different rapping, and then there's another person who's saying, hey, by the way, you know the other two emperors aren't wearing any clothes.
Yeah, yeah, I mean in terms of the narrative of British politics. So someone said to me this morning, you know, we are all parajistas now.
So you know, the choice at the.
Next election is you can vote for the you know, you can vote for the real deal or go for the fakes. And that's why we've got momentum and reform because we genuinely say what we think and we mean it and we kind of almost don't care whether you like it.
Or not.
That's what we believe in. There are principles and we're unbudgeable on that. And I think at last people are saying in great numbers, right, you know what, this is the Party of a Change, And another poll out this morning putting us, can you believe it, ten points in the lead. We're ten points ahead of the governing Labor Party in the current polls, thirteen or fourteen points ahead of the Conservatives, who are falling off a cliff. Now, look, you know, I'm not a scene sayer. I can't predict
what will happen over the next months or years. But right now we are in a most incredibly strong position. And historically what is going on has just never happened in our modern democratic history. So it's a very exciting.
Time, but also such an important message to those who share our politics. But the idea that of the things you believe in, you must be unshakable, right, and if you've got a movement that is built on absolutely unshakable central values, then the rest of it becomes tactics. Right now, as you know, we're sort of in this conversation of the center right being in real trouble in terms of
electoral fortunes in Australia. You spoke before about the need for happy warrior and I've been using that term a thousand times in our chats of recent times. But again for those who are in and around the decision making process on the center right in Australia, I think if they don't have those core views before you even ask the question what they are, then they'll never actually achieve anything.
Right, No, that's right, And I mean looking at the splits that are there in Australia right now. I mean it's not for a shortage of money. Is it because one individual has been pumping a lot of money into sort of small C conservative ideas. No, you know, and it all looks terribly wasteful the whole thing.
You know.
Do I really believe that Australia is this sort of center left softy? I mean, I just don't believe it. But somehow someone has got to come along and spread a bit of optimism, spread a bit of happiness. And if you look at all the upsurging popular small C conservative movements, they all have leaders that actually express a bit of joy, that actually express a bit of optimism, a bit of sunshine and That's what people want because they see all around them the values they've grown up with,
the things they really do understand and care about. They see them under threat from modern day wokery and much else. And the way through it isn't just a moon, isn't just a complain. It's to have a vision of where you want to get to bloody Earth.
These chats are so valuable. Lots of important people, but most importantly normal people are watching them both live on the telly and for many days after online. Thank you mate, appreciate it and I appreciate the privilege of talking to you. Good on you, Nigel. Thank you Nigel for us leader of the Reform Partty in the UK. That's our show through night. Now. Remember we're off to Cans and we'll be there in a couple of sundays time. If you'd
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