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Paul Murray Live | 13 August

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Anthony Albanese's failures on curbing the cost-of-living crisis, Labor rushes the launch of the digital ID scheme. Plus, Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris: Who's winning on social media?

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Speaker 1

From the Skyinging Center.

Speaker 2

This is Paul Murray Live. I can't stand when people lie to you. I can't stand when the people whose job it is to call it out look the other way. Now, you and I both know that politicians of all different types, and the people who enable them, generally in the media, they will ride a certain wave to power and then turn around and deny that they've ever been to the beach. Perfect example what's playing out right now with Kamala Harris, who was for this and now isn't for that, and

the media of course nothing to see here. In Australia, the number one issue at the last election was cost of living. The number one issue the day after the last election was cost of living. The number one issue. A year after the election was cost of living, the

number one issue two years after. Get the point, because the reality for millions of Australians is that, yes, due to giant global issues, things became very complicated after the years of COVID, But Australia seems to be having a longer hangover, a deeper hangover than firstly any of us expected, but most importantly that we were promised. Because you see, the people who promised to be the people who say take two and lie down and you'll be fine by

the morning. Was, of course, this government, the Labor Party, the people who cheered them in by raising the noise as loud as they possibly could in and around cost of living. And then of course they do everything they can in the media to avoid the subject, over and over and over again. They turn around and tell us that while when they've got their budget it's a cost of living extravaganza, that when they're doing tax.

Speaker 1

Cuts, oh, it'll fix the world.

Speaker 2

But you and I both know, because we're still standing on the beach, that the waves keep coming and coming and coming. Okay, I won't talk youre the metaphor any longer you get them a point on this one. It's cost of living and it whacks, and it whacks and it whacks. But because there are things that are cyclical and not in control of the politicians, they of course unable to fix many of those things. But there are things that the politicians do that make things worse. But

they decided to make everything personal. So I want to hold them accountable to their same standards. Unsurprisingly, most in the media have no interest in doing this whatsoever, because They don't care about the issues. They don't care about the people on the other side of this screen, or the screen of the articles, or the other side of the speaker. They are just interested in the little game of everything that happens on this side of the screen, or this side of your computer, or this side of

your radio speaker. But like you, I know plenty of people that have been doing it really tough over the past couple of years. I know plenty of people who expected something different. Instead they got something far worse. And I talk about this every night because it is that relentless. In the same way that you cover a natural disaster while it's taking place day after day after day, we will do the same when it comes to cost of living. It's not about being repetitive for the point of politics.

It's about showing every night that we see you, that we hear you, and that we understand that when this video spreads online to people who would not normally watch the program or engage with the channel, that they understand someone gets it on this side.

Speaker 1

Now, you know, and I know that of the years we've.

Speaker 2

Been talking about this, there is half a dozen examples that do pop up in the media but it's not the political media. It's generally the people who are outside of the politics who end up filing stories like this, including the number of Australians who are skipping doctors appointments or turning off their heating amid the housing crisis and cost of living crisis. What about the people hundreds of whom so they skip a meal, or the millions of

people who go to things like food banks. Well, the thousands of people who are now rubbish putting their hands into a bin, dumpster diving to find food because they don't have the coin for it. Three point seven million people last year, according to Food Bank, had trouble putting food on the table. I didn't know where the food was coming from Melbourne University. Too many Aussie kids are

starting a family and raising kids in poverty. Our Prime Minister, of course, whose biography when he was riding the wave of cost of living was I'm the kid from Housing Commission, the single mum. I know what it's like to do it, Tarfa. I can rub two sticks together. But of course he's been in the system for decades. He really is a Joe Biden esque figure, not just because of his inc competence.

But because he's been around the system. I think he worked for a bank teller in the eighties for this amount of time, and then he's been an advisor or an MP for the rest of his life, meaning he's expert at learning about the waves to catch and how to manipulate opinion and how to whisper sweet. Nothing's into the media to change their opinion, but his life circumstances, how he lives and whom he chooses to hang out with, tells us about how.

Speaker 1

He has strayed so far, so far.

Speaker 2

From the man that he always claims to be. Now, one other reason why the Prime Minister doesn't get it, doesn't feel the urgency. It's because he alone every other MP has got not one, not two, but three pay rises since Labor came to power. You've had twelve interest rate rises. They got three pay rises. He's now on six hundred thousand dollars and one of those three, by

the way, was the biggest pay rise in ten years now. Previously, when politicians felt a sense of shame or they were slightly afraid of a media that even a positive media that liked you, would call you out on BS, he hasn't even had to answer a single question about whether

or not they should defer their pay rises. Nope, it sweeps in everyone's good, all the top end echelons of the public service, which are often paid more than the Prime minister, fine, all of the CEOs, all of the people they're hanging out with at the front end of the plane or, in the Prime Minister's case, your own plane. It doesn't mean that they don't come from different places, but it means the people that they interact with are not the people who are hurting, so they're just noise

to be dealt with. Well, I'm pleased to say that the focus, the relentless focus that we have had for the past couple of years, is now starting to be echoing in the wider population. Because remember when I said, I don't know what you're going to do when it comes to the election. Good luck, it's always years away. But for goodness sake, please tell a pollster that you're hurting. Send a message to these people that you're still sorry.

I'm going to say for them seventeenth on, you're still on the beach, and you remember them riding the wave in a poll today, And of all things, the turnbul Times. The Guardian shows that Australians, an extreme majority of Australians sixty seven percent, seven percent more than those who voted Know in the referendum Prime Minister sixty seven percent of people think that costa living gets worse in the next twelve months. This is not a poll from last year.

This is not a poll from the start of this year. There's a poll from basically the August. The Reserve Bank tells us that they don't expect much to change in the next six months, but the perception of Australians is that their own personal finances will go backwards, the cost of everything will continue to go up. And it's also really important to say this. You don't have to have an economics degree to be literate in what they often don't tell you about things like cost of living.

Speaker 3

Now.

Speaker 2

The reality is that inflation is measured every month and then ultimately every three months, and the focus is always just where it is this quarter, this quarter, this quarter, this quarter. But the reality is, if you go back to this point when they took over all of that combines a little bit like federal budget deficits, the gallery will have you believe that it only matters what this year's number is. But the reality is if you're in a fifty billion dollar deficit this year, it gets added

to all of the other deficits. Since the country was able to balance its books and pay off its debt that's of course two thousand and seven. Any future deficit will be added to that. The expectation of the Treasury is that we are in deficit for the next forty years, and we're already in are trigting in a bit dollars worth of debt. To give you an idea of who

has this opinion, is it just the hardcore Paul Murray watches. No, It's spread across the political spectrum, with one obvious exception the people who are trying to cheer on their side of politics and trying to believe the bs the Prime Minister throws their way. Seventy one percent of people who

vote for minor parties. Now, this could be everything from Victorian socialists to oneation can be independence from Die in Sydney all the way through to Bob Catter in North Queensland, Rebecca Sharky in South Australia and the independent voters of Tasmania seventy one percent think that the cost of living gets worse for them in the next twelve months, sixty four percent of the opposition, sixty percent of the labor parties partners in crime, and just a third of Labor voters,

but a third of Labour voters that are willing to blow the whistle on their own parties bs because at the end of the day, despite the spin, despite the gas lighting, despite just saying the words cost of living like they're Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz saying there's no place like home or beetlejuice. If you say cost of living three times, guess what, it doesn't appear, and it doesn't disappear. If you say it three hundred times, it doesn't get better and it doesn't get worse. Action

is what we'll do that. But this government, despite its spin, despite its too little, too late, despite its fiddling on the edges, despite that, while I have a loaf of bread, you can have some crumbs and you will be thankful because they were your crumbs in the first place. There are three ideas that the government that apparently at all times was focused on cost of living that the Australian public no are the true reality of the government when it comes to priorities as this, many people are in

this much trouble. Two years ago, they took fifteen hundred dollars off people as an automatic tax return. That effectively meant that there was a tax increase on ten million people.

Now as we're in tax time right now, I remember finder dot Com that a U the financial services website, told us that something like about a third of the country looks forward to this time of the year because there might be just a little chunk of change at the end of the complunk aim or tipping point as it is these days, that they'll be able to take that five hundred dollars or one thousand dollars and be able to use that money to either kill off the

credit card, use that quick amount of money to do something they need to do around the house. It's just this not a little gift, because it's your money anyway, but it is this little moment like when you were a kid and you opened up the birthday card and you went, jeez, Nana, twenty bucks awesome, and that money should have been there last year they took it away, should have been there this year they took it away. Imagine what fifteen hundred dollars in a tax return guaranteed

to ten million workers would do. Now when sixty seven percent of people believe, I'd double check my number because otherwise I got fact checked sixty seven percent. If people say the cost of living situation is getting worse, this government took it off them. This government that apparently cares about cost of living, that desperately wants to pretend that they are doing something, has increased petrol taxes. It is now just under fifty cents per liter, fifty cents per lead.

Every time you drive around, you have a look at that price. Fifty cents of whatever that price is per leader. Tax that's increased under this government. As I showed you months ago, bottle of Bundi run.

Speaker 1

Sixty three percent of its tax. Sixty three percent of it is tax.

Speaker 2

And of course, the ultimate goal of modern center left let's be polite, but most likely hardcore left wing governments that pretend not to be left wing governments. They want to expand the size of government because the more people who physically work for governments are more likely to end up voting for center left parties who promise to never

reduce the size of government. These people expect that the interaction with business should be that your biggest client is government, so you'll never get upset with them when they make bad decisions, because they have the power to regulate you out of existence, to increase taxes on your businesses. You run in sign an NDA, they do a take it or leave it sandwich that is unpleasant to both smell and taste, and you have to put up with it. Or there's the people who, of course, are just financially

dependent on government. More money, more time, more jobs, all the things connected to. Without daddy government, we'd all fall away. All of that eventually builds to a permanent majority, where as we know, a very small section of people are the ones who actually pay the amount of tax that the government then swirls around and throws back out. In order to increase its to increase its power, and to increase its control. This government could do an awful lot

of things to help with cost of living. Most importantly, it could double the amount of money that it funds to every charity right now, perhaps even a billion dollars they could shave off because the people who are most in need, the ones who got nothing in a tax gun. The people whose power bill goes up way higher than the little credit that they're going to throw your way. They need things like charities. Yeah, the charities of course, relying upon donations the people who don't have the money

to see how the system shrinks. Government's got plenty of money for its priorities. But when the people who are suffering as a result in part of its policies are not a priority enough to receive significant help today, well it shows you. They rode the wave and now pretend they've never been to the beach. May the people dunk them sooner rather than later. There we go seven hundred references. I hope you like the metaphor. But of course the real problem is Peter Dutton. Didn't you know that? Like,

he's the great threat to Australia. He's the reason why there's more homeless than ever before. He's of course the reason why there's oh so many problems. He's the reason why there's all this sort of social social difficulties right now. I mean, just Queen Laura Tingle, Lefty Laura Tingle, remember what she had to say about how terrible it was that he was planning to cut immigration which is what

the Prime Minister was claiming to do. Oh but he's claiming to do it a little bit deeper and promising that foreign buyers wouldn't be able to outbid your kids on a house. So of course Dutton's the problem for.

Speaker 4

A major play calling this be saying, as Nicki says, you know everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants. And you know, I had a sudden flash of people turning up to try to rent a property or at an auction, and they look a bit different whatever you defined different as the basically he has given.

Speaker 2

Them license to be abused. Oh and of course, nasty Nicki Sava, who of course was the co pilot in that nonsense immigration tinder box Darton, evil racist, blah blah blah blah, all of this garbage as opposed to what we all know, which is that who cares where you come from? Of course we do care about what you believe in terms of whether you want to be part of the society that has been built here that is respectful of race, gender, religion, no, religion, all the rest

of it. No, it's just literally about a scenario where when hospital ramping means that when you call Triple O, you may or may not get an ambulance. If you do get an ambulance, you'll have to sit in the back of it because there's no room in the hospital. When you hear about governments turning around and go, you know what, come on in a million more in the next couple of years, you start to realize that maybe those cues might get a little bit longer. So I

thing to do with race, religion, anything else. But this is the game they play, and Peter Arton, Peter Darton, is the one who's causing the troubles. And of course one of the great narratives that these people always trying to distract from the actual failures of the actual government. They like to tell you that the Liberal Party particularly has a problem with women. Well amazingly again, same opinion poll in the turnbul Times in the Guardian today two

party preferred Guess who's leading with female voters. Labour's down by six since February of this year. The Libs are up five since February of this year. The undecideds they also are slightly up, but literally a five out of six people moved from Labor to the Libs and only one percent went onto the undecided pot. Well, that's a

significant statistical movement. But of course there will be a scandal to remind us all why the Liberal party's terrible and evil and amazingly those people in the press gallery who again are cost of living that's just you either, that's all. That's as really sticklical. It's not personal, but

apparently it was personal a couple of years ago. Go figure, they're all the ones that are now saying the panic and having ideas about tactics and how the Prime Minister might be able to save labor from himself, despite the fact that, of course the polls in things like the City Morning All show us that fifty one percent of the country, fifty one percent of the country believe the

Prime minister's performance is poor or very poor. Well, they noticed that there's a little bit of Kamala Harris magic or Kamala Harris magic. My apologies, I don't want to offend anyone. It's just only the way the President used to pronounce it. Anyway, Because Jason Claire had a slightly smart ass answer to a question in question Time yesterday, Aha,

you know how the Democrats are calling the Republicans weird. Well, guess what, there's now a plan for the Labour Party to call the Liberal Party like weird, a new version of weird, which means if it's working for her, then it'll work for us, right please, Clueless Clara Now, she may well have a new job, but guess what, it's still CLARAO now and it seems she's just as clueless in her new job as she was in the old job. Oh, which is an incredible performer, which is code for talks

to the media a lot bying. They're back that being other ministers, not her. But you know she's a great performer, an amazing performer. Whenever the media talks up a specific politician who you don't really know, it means they're really involved in the social set of what's happening in Canberra. Feel free to disapprove me wrong or Claire coming for

an hour and we can talk it out on it. Well, as you know, she got to the backside and the Biscuit rightly so with Andrew Giles after their appalling performance in Home Affairs. But there was nothing to see here. We only moved ministers because there was a reshuffle, and of course she went from buggering up the borders to now buggering up the quarter acre block because she is going to be in charge of the housing crisis, and won't she be amazing. She was so good at home affairs,

so she'd be so amazing at housing. Well, guess what, well done the PABA for noticing in the Daily maila day that she's well the same clueless Clara. Now she's as bad in this gig as she was in the last gig, particularly in her performance in Parliament. Blundering Minister Clara o'neili's face is left red faced during car crash question time days after starting a new job. Oh but she's a good performer. She's a good performer. Sorry, she

on the other line, she could performer. Here's how our words salads failed to save her from an embarrassing era. You see, she was debating again government housing policy, all the rest of it, and she claimed that there was all of this data to back it up, and all of the data came from Treasury, and Treasury must be trusted because despite the fact they're always wrong on the budget, they're so right on this.

Speaker 3

The Treasury modeling for this bill tells us that we are going to have an additional one hundred and sixty thousand rental units online in a period of a decade.

Speaker 1

Guess what, it doesn't exist. There is no Treasury modeling.

Speaker 3

We want to assist Australians to have lots of different rental options. What the research shows, what the experts shows, is that the scheme in the Senate will build more homes. There is dispute about how many homes, but it will be tens of thousands of additional homes. Now, what I would say to the Parliament is that if we want to stop success and progress on this matter, then we should play politics business as usual.

Speaker 2

Oh you noticed that, I'm a four D chess that she's playing because she's a great perform a great performer, great perform, a great performance. Sorry, she's still on the I'll get back in a second. I'm just on the air well her four D chess there where the bottling is disputed. No, it's not disputed. It's not from Treasury. Something that has been noticed by I hate to say this, the Greens and the Liberals, but you know nothing to see here, great performance, performer. And then of course there's

the CFMU. Now it's only one part of the CFMU. That's the problem. So technically some of their representatives can still be kind of in charge of the Labor Party, sitting on National Executive being national vice presidents. Do nothing to see here, we're going to clean up the same union, but then we shut down the standing Royal Commission into the Union. I mean, the Australian public doesn't see any

of this, does it well? Interesting question today from the Shadow Housing Minister, Michael Suka, who's loving the idea that he's got clueless Claire every afternoon at two o'clock on national television.

Speaker 5

During question time yesterday, the minister claimed some experts believe CFMU corruption and illegality has and I quote no impact on residential construction. Can the minister name those experts now?

Speaker 2

Of course, the four d chs wonderful performer. Wonderful performer that is Claire O'Neil, who was so amazing in her last job that she got sacked from it by Anthony Albernezi, who didn't sack well, plenty of underperforming ministers. And of course the Finance Minister caught lying all those months ago. Here's her answer. Good perform great before and.

Speaker 3

That question just following up on the shameless color ticking of the green and we have again, oh liberal, come forward and ask a question not about how we're going.

Speaker 6

To build more homes for Australians, but.

Speaker 3

About how we can play more politics in this parliament. And I can tell you really clearly, Speaker, that my focus on this rock, in this role is not about what happens here in Parliament House.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Anyway, you were asked to name someone here, She's not naming anyone and thus proving the point of the question and guarantee she'll get more tomorrow.

Speaker 5

Referred to the minister's statements and asked her to name those experts. Now, if the Minister cannot name those experts because she made that up at the.

Speaker 3

Disaster, Member four Deacon is making absolutely we no sense. If he is concerned about the impact this union is having on residential construction prices, then he can go into his carcus room and talk to his senator colleagues about helping our government clean up this union. Speak up, whether Lord, what's up with these guys today?

Speaker 6

Speaker, order the.

Speaker 2

Great performer, Great performer. You may remember we spend four hundred and fifty million dollars on a referendum last year. Oh yeah, half a billion dollars whatever started out at sixty forty Yes, we know it ended up sixty forty nine.

We also know that there is three prongs to the Larus statement, which was a voice, a commission, a truth telling commission where essentially the black armband version of history would become the official arm band of history, and then a treaty of which, as we know in Victoria, the government doesn't rule out giving anything up and we don't

know exactly what the demands are. Well guess what. Yet again a surprising result in an opinion poll that comes out of the Turnbull Times today and they were rather shocked it was their lead story and then of course was buried, very buried later. Only one third of voters want a treating in truth telling commission with an Indigenous voice or an Indigenous voice. The top button, which is the dark blue, is last year's number, so let's go to the light blue. Thirty seven percent support a truth

telling commission. Thirty five percent support a voice regardless of the fact that, of course it was defeated in the passion that it was, meaning support has actually fallen for it since the election. Was a surprise. And even the constitutional recognition question, well that too has now fallen to thirty five percent. I love in these polls that, rather than showing you how many people either don't care, don't know, or openly oppose, well, let me tell you a part

of the answers to our questions. You see, this was the same polling that got us to sixty forty yes, because there used to be remember about thirty five forty five percent of people who were definitely going to be yes, right, and then we knew there was a significant number, almost fifty that was going to be no. And then there was just a bit that they never counted, and then

they just went, well, if you're forced. Interestingly, for all of the times I've spoken about this pole and I like it for some of its information, there was one thing they magically took out of today's pole, the approval rating of the Prime Minister. It's been there every other pole, It's been on their website the whole time. But right now may they be finding the same thing as the other polsters. Fifty one percent of the country thinking the Prime minister poor, very poor, no, not at all good.

Before in Queensland, we know that the Miles government is set to hit a brick wall and hit it very hard. Of course, all the way to the end giggles Miles will continue to giggle, thinking that he can spend as much money as humanly possible, bankrupting the next and former government, meaning that of course they would either have to raise taxes or cut back potentially or just go deeper into deficit, basically trying to lay land mines before an election for

a potential change in government. We know the latest polling suggests that they would be wiped out. We also know that they well, as I say, they spend so much money up against the wall, including literally they've putting the suggestion that they're going to build government owned petrol stations still bring the price down after the election please. Unsurprisingly,

none of this craps working. And now, apparently according to the Courier mar Labor people are telling them, get ready, we're going to try to save as much furniture as we possibly can now in fairness the Labour Party. Of course, when Cambellyman one way back when to fourteen years he reduced the Labor Party to the number of MPs that could fit in the tarago, literally Annasachia Palachet, last one standing,

ends up driving the car. Nobody expects her to be the leader's ok sacrificial land at the next election from they get a majority. Okay, So it doesn't matter in Queen's Land whether you're this high or this low. It can all change in a few years time, right, But how a look at this you are. Polling conducted by the quarrymar last month revealed that the LNP has extended its two party preferred lead to fifty seven fifty seven forty three, marking a ten point swing since the twenty

twenty election. Because she is keeping it thafe and clean down hut and they'm at clean them memo and everyone else there around the country is terrible and shouldn't come here. But we will take their GF team money. This points to a potential loss of twenty three seats, including basically anything north of the Sunshine Coast. The strategy is now to sandbag as many seats as they possibly can, particularly

in the southeast. Why because remember they were able to go from about what less than ten seats and come back in an election. Their plan is to flush as much bad wood and dirty dealers from this government so when there is a chance to fight in another election in four years time, well they'd be able to pretend nothing to see he completely knew. We're ready to go a great performer. Now let's talk truth about what's happening in the United States. Trump is behind now winning and losing.

I have incorrectly said in the past that somebody was winning or somebody's losing. Reality is, there's only one election that happens officially on the first Tuesday in November, but early voting can start as early as September. The book, you say that Harris is now up and the chances of her winning is their fifty two percent to Trump's forty six. Yes, Titan, some things could change a little

bit here, a little bit there. As I've told you before, the state of Arizona and the state of Pennsylvania, if they both start moving blue, Trump can't win well. According to this latest poll third line state of Pennsylvania, Harris up over Trump. I'm not breaking any news here, but there is an interesting thing that Donald Trump is trying to do by trying to go around the traditional media, which as we know, is basically they're not just carrying the water and they're trying to part the seas for

Kamala Harris. So he went on x A Minion. People listened to it live. I don't know why this wasn't a video and they just uploaded it after it had been recorded. But you know, we've got to show how amazing the platform is. And it was understandably very positive. Both like each other, fine and fair enough. But back to that point about the media and as we know, applying no pressure, no standards, no questions, no interviews when

it comes to Kamala Harris. Nothing to see here. This is the front cover of Time magazine, the front cover of Time magazine. Well, if the mainstream as they used to call it, but I don't even think it's that. It's the regime, it's the machine media, it's all the rest of it. Meg and Kelly's particularly fired up about this, and I'll have a chat to on tomorrow night's program. There are lots of ways around it, and social media

in particular is the big way around it. Now. I wanted to show you tonight and tomorrow and I'll show you some examples of what is on these services. But how Trump can still get a conversation going around the gatekeepers of the establishment media, who, of course all about access to the cool kit, and the cool kid at the moment is Kamala Harris. Have a look at x falling known as Twitter. Now, obviously, just because somebody's a follower doesn't mean they're a fan, but it certainly means

that your message can go around. Look at how many people are hearing whatever Trump bangs out with his thumbs versus what the staffer for Harris bangs out using their thumbs. Also, if you're really hardcore, you follow team Trump or Team Kamala, and again they've got an advantage there. When it comes to the Instagram, exactly the same twenty six million for Trump, seventeen million for Harris, three million for Team Trump, and seven hundred and twenty three thousand for Kamala Harris. Again,

I'll show you examples of this tomorrow night. When it comes to meta Facebook, thirty four million people get to see unvarnished what Trump or his people want to post similar breaksdowns. The only place where things are a little bit closer is, of course, the Chinese surveillance app known as TikTok, where Harris is at four point four million,

but Trump's at nine point nine million. Interestingly, team Trump, the machine behind Trump, way behind the BS machine around Kamala so yes on TikTok in one of the indices, Kamala Harris well and truly ahead. Will that be important with young voters? You bet you? But the size advantage everywhere else, to go around the gatekeepers, to go around the people who want to tell you Biden's completely fine, smart, amazing.

Harris is qualified to be president because she was vice president, but then she doesn't own any of the decisions that were made as vice president. The same media that turns around and says she's a completely blank canvas, despite the fact there's lots of tape of what she's believed before the last election. Social media is the place where those

messages play out. It's, of course, where left wingers say there's misinformation, as opposed to the misinformation that's currently running and parading as the press gallery of the Washington Press right now. Completely fine with the fact that she's not asking answering questions because then that have to come up with them, and if they had to come up with them, they may well end up being tough. And by tough, I mean, Madam President, how are you I'm here on

Paul Murray Life. Thank you very much for watching.

Speaker 7

Gus.

Speaker 1

Were are having to be big debate. Let's get into it in the moment.

Speaker 2

Or Tuesday time here with Joe hilde Brand, with Lisa god They're both in the man cave. This will be fun. I'm going here.

Speaker 1

How exciting a full man cave on a Tuesday night.

Speaker 2

I'm rather excited here.

Speaker 1

The wonderful Lisa god Art, how are you?

Speaker 6

First time in over four years?

Speaker 2

There you go? Well, remember you know Sky News man caves for Sky News. You know anyway that happens the man no way?

Speaker 1

Please?

Speaker 2

All right, the wonderful Joe hilder Brand, of course, Hello, my man, I'm not doing you a touch of class, doesn't you?

Speaker 6

Gentlemen?

Speaker 2

Listen to your but all right, only media find it all online and I'm on Joe's podcast. Will plug all that nice and proper for you in the next couple.

Speaker 1

Of days digital ID.

Speaker 2

I know an awful lot of people write emails to be about it, and I know an awful lot of people are particularly passionate about it, and for the communication we get fearful of it. It of course is now the law of the land. But the program is now starting to roll itself out now, Joe, I don't know whether you can answer a question for me on this or not. Does everyone just get one in your MyGov app or do you have to double click to buy into the system?

Speaker 7

I do not know, and I think they're still working that out. I think it'll be interesting.

Speaker 8

I would imagine it would have to be an opt in thingwise, otherwise it would be like how you two put all their B sides in your iPhone and tell anybody that is going to backfire.

Speaker 7

Spectacular. But I did just want to read out.

Speaker 8

I've just prepared this one little quote which I just thought was the most ABC comment every that's right, that's right, But the ABC story has written just in a completely straight news piece.

Speaker 7

It's proposed trust exchange.

Speaker 8

System, which is an ominous word, trust exchange, gold standard exchanging.

Speaker 7

Trust with today. I mean, if you're going to exchange trust, when you at least wear some protection.

Speaker 2

Well, I was going to say I have thereo's active consent.

Speaker 8

But it's proposed trust exchange system would use QR codes made popular during the COVID.

Speaker 1

N how popular.

Speaker 7

Whom some porkin right into the av's everything. Oh yeah, these are really popular.

Speaker 8

It's like, you know, it's like reading the newspaper is really popular when you've been kidnapped and you've got a gun to your head. I just wanted to reading the newspaper with today's dating is today's date.

Speaker 1

I just love telling everyone how much to day exactly.

Speaker 2

But I think the issue here right, and obviously I understand those that are hardcore about this to screaming and the teller get into the issues getting my point is this right, The legislation has passed, Okay, so the time for being able to unscramble that egg alas has gone at the time those who tried to talk about it again your nudders and all the rest of it. So

let's talk about the practicals here right now. Again. What they will claim to be the advantages is is that essentially, rather than having to fill out the same form seven hundred times, there's this one thing that you'll be able to access. That means they'll give the information for you. However, However, however, my and why I just want the opt in system as opposed to automatically in it is.

Speaker 1

I don't know, it's not.

Speaker 2

Nothing whole, but I don't want the readout of where I was and what I did and if signing in to licensed venues is going to be part of this, Sorry, I don't want that.

Speaker 9

Well, we went through this with COVID right, everyone tracking us through what coffee shop you went to, what hotel you went to, what not? Do you have anything to hide necessarily? But you don't want yourself well, you know, I'm trying to be you know, its television, I'm being good. But you don't want the government knowing everywhere you go. And that's the problem. And I don't know the MyGov app itself like.

Speaker 6

Given me strength. Every time I've tried to use that app itself, it's a nightmare.

Speaker 7

It's way better than it used to be.

Speaker 6

Hav another courage to go under.

Speaker 2

The previous government?

Speaker 1

Is that what it is? That's what it is that Clara Neal is a great.

Speaker 6

To describe today as a honeypot for cyber attack.

Speaker 1

Of course it is.

Speaker 2

It's a fut of the rainbow because remember the data was that there was a data leaks at state level when this was all propped up in and around.

Speaker 1

So again, the issue is that if there's a repository.

Speaker 2

Of information, do I agree to be put in the in the pot of information or am I already in the pot of information? And the only consent that the only play, the only way I get to play into the system is whether I do or don't want to access the pot of information.

Speaker 8

I think, to be honest, it's high risk, high reward. It's like the e health system, which was going to be fantastic, but nowadays so few people opted into it, and it was so sort of piecemeal that you go to anyone who's had any experience with the health system, it's awesome, but the basic stuff that just often gets missed.

That I know because my wife knows all this sort of stuff about my kids when they're in there and they'll tell one person that he needs this medication that doesn't get passed on because it's all just put on a clipboard on the end of the bed like that.

Speaker 7

That is not going to last forever.

Speaker 3

I know.

Speaker 8

This is like the new Australia card and no one likes it, but sooner or later, this is going to be the way of the future. Just like you know, the bit of paper that used to be a driver's license is never going to be sure and if you're using a credit card. The government has always already or bank is already tracking every single place you know.

Speaker 7

There.

Speaker 2

I was going to go into a very detailed story here, but i'll save you. As you know, in Brisbane, right after a certain time of nine, everyone's got to pull out their driver's license to go into and it's scanned

and it's kept. And again there's that moment where you go, Okay, I don't mind checking ideas because and I get that what they're trying to do is have a database of on you're a bad person who did something wrong, But socially it's clearly acceptable because it's the only way to get to the pub.

Speaker 6

But cheese.

Speaker 2

It is a very strange experience having to create a footprint in something that's very social and it feels like to me that it's about trying to create a digital footprint in areas where the government's why do they need to know anything about this?

Speaker 6

Well, from what I read today, it was opt in.

Speaker 9

It is opt in, but it's access to your passport, you know, Like I said, the licenses online now, so it is all there.

Speaker 6

And my concern is the risk of a cyber attack.

Speaker 2

Well, I just think it's just the I mean simultaneous that we're always told about be careful with your data, to be careful with your data. How many companies, Oh, where the magical government will be okay because we're paying Amazon billions of dollars for a cloud when it comes to the National Defense Network, which I know is different than next you said now never, you know I didn't vote. You know I pushed hard against Bill Shorten. I would

never vote for him under any circumstances. But he was right when he was on Channel two last night talking about whether gambling advertising should be completely banned, whether it should be capped, or whether it should be a free for all. Here he is being asked by a bunch of pearl clutches, I'm not convinced that complete prohibition works.

Speaker 10

I think that we can do better than just one hour before, during and one hour after.

Speaker 2

I think.

Speaker 10

There's no reason why gambling ads should be on when there's kid shows on. There's no reason why they should be infiltrating the digital markets.

Speaker 2

He also went on to say it is an important source of revenue for commercial broadcasters. I know this is breaking news to ever run over at Channel two, but you need revenue in order to be able to employ order the people who work for it, the people you like, and yes to the people you don't like.

Speaker 1

That's the way it works.

Speaker 2

Where are you on this, because I understand the people that are You know, this is a vice, you know, flush it from our eyes. But it's also legal. And it's like nobody taxed lead paint. Nobody limited the advertising of lead paint. They got rid of it. Instead with tobacco. Oh, we'll tax it, but you can't advertise it. This will tax it, but you can advertise it.

Speaker 9

Yeah, And it's one of those advertising campaigns where it's it's like in America where you sit there and you watch the medication.

Speaker 6

It's going to change you. It's going to change your life. It's going to stay. But you know the fine print is you know it's going to kill you.

Speaker 7

Correct.

Speaker 6

At least these at least these ads.

Speaker 9

Do have the disclaimer at the end of it. But I do understand from a parent's perspective, when the kids are there and they're seeing it, I don't think of you want your family around watching sport that they should be watching. Yes, gambling is it is something you should be doing. However, there is the issue of when they're on YouTube or they're online playing video games, they are also being targeted with very similar ads.

Speaker 2

Right, well, this is the thing, This is the thing. All of the powers that exist, generally speaking, are about what's been around for a long time. The problem is in the space they have no ability to regulate, which is the stuff that could be coming out of a you know, a digital farm in Barbados.

Speaker 7

Yeah, that's why I'm really suspicious of syntaxes.

Speaker 8

Not only do they tend to punish the poorest people who are reverting to things like these to ease their you know, he's their pain, he's their soci situation because they can't afford other stuff. So things like taxing sugary drinks so there's unaffordable, or taxing mackers, or driving up the cost of cigarettes.

Speaker 7

And this is kind of like I just don't understand.

Speaker 8

I'm all for harmonimization and that sort of thing, but it strikes me as just passing weird that the sort of progressive agenda is you know, ban all gambling ads, ban fast food, ban sugary drinks, legalized drugs. But then exactly like thank you does banning it driving underground and men you can't regulate it, and you don't know who's it or not.

Speaker 2

And again the worst and then the reason it has to be legalized is because nobody knows what's technically.

Speaker 8

Theirst form of gambling isn't betting on the Australian Open or horse racing. It's poker machines, and advertising for them is already banned and indeed, as the less point or yours like whenever kids are online or whatever on your phone, there are a thousand different games they could play that perfectly replicate poker machines to give them that buzz.

Speaker 7

And of course as soon as they say a real wh they're going to do it anyway.

Speaker 8

So you know, either you're making people smart enough to make smart decisions or you're just locking them up in a padded cell and banning everything we have.

Speaker 2

Apart from anything else. Experienced reporters, crisis communications people, direct personal advisors to the Prime Minister here, so a wide series of brains to get across the issue of how does Trump save the campaign from himself? Next morn to seek here on Paul Murray Life. And if you're watching in Wa, we are coming for our town in a couple of weeks time. Exactly where you'll find out in moments Western Australia. We will be in our town a

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a couple of weeks time, looking forward to it. So here with of course at least got and with the Joe Hildebrand. Let's talk about Trump. So I mentioned the point before. Look, we know that the traditional media has all just decided Harris clean slate queen all the way through, right, and we're gonna sit in bitch and moan about it. And there's plenty of accountability to come from the bitching

and moaning about it. However, as I pointed out before, Trump's advantage on social media in terms of number of followers is thumping thumpingly large. All right, Now you can cut videos and it's all great, but then the guy has to follow up with the message. Right as a person who has only given wonderful advice to wonderful clients, but just imagine that there was one who doesn't really follow much advice and it's kind of looking over him.

How do you get somebody to pay attention that if they don't get it right, it's not going to end the way they want it to.

Speaker 9

Especially when you're the one taking the calls from the media when it goes bad, right and you're having to shield them. Look, I would hate to be doing Trump's media. He is a force of his own making and he does what he wants to do. And I think matching him with Musk today that was great because the two of them, as long as it was two hours, they just.

Speaker 6

Both better off each other. So I think that's great.

Speaker 9

And he is owning those channels because he is not getting a fair run apart from you on Foxy, he just doesn't get a fair run, So he has to own his own media and I think increase. That's what we're seeing with legacy media dropping off for being so biased. You have to find ways to get out there on your.

Speaker 2

Own well, and Joe, you've sort of got you know, for a man with two feet, you have seven feet and seven different camps, which I appreciate.

Speaker 7

Thank you, very supple you.

Speaker 2

You know the difference between sort of the quick in and outside of chat on the telly and then increasingly what millions of people turn to, which is a longer form, looser chat. Right that it could be ten, fifteen, twenty an hour. The Joe Rogan can be the two hour stuff, right. That stuff can help you because people get to hang out and go chee, you know what. I kind of like that person. And then conversely they can turn around and take something for a minute twenty eight and go click,

and then you seem like you're crazy. Do you think that there are people who would tune in to something with a Trump who are kind of the independence going you know what?

Speaker 1

I've heard a lot. I'm just going to double check is he crazy right now?

Speaker 7

Is he not?

Speaker 1

Which Trump is turning up?

Speaker 7

I think?

Speaker 8

And again it's so hard to tell, And it's so hard to tell in an election where you know half the game is getting out of the vote. But I think Trump is such a known quantity that if you are voting for him.

Speaker 7

You are all in on him. You will wade through a pit of lava.

Speaker 8

To get to the polling booth and you will vote for Donald Trump as many times as you.

Speaker 2

Like a bend. You know all the deep cuts, you know everything from every album, not just the single.

Speaker 8

I think it's the same untruth social or when you're sitting down with El Musk. I just cannot picture any sort of ambivalent, slightly apathetic swing voters who are still undecided thinking, oh, you know, I'll vote for him. And I think that and I think the problem is I think the problem for Trump is that Karmala has brought out a whole bunch of people who were not going to vote for Joe Biden. It was a sort of the double head as a pox on both your houses.

And people have come out and said, oh, yeah, she looks all right. She presents well, you know, as long as she's not challenged on anything or it's not live and it's all scripted, you know, she can talk well. And I think the question will be I think this election is now Karmal is to lose. It will be whether or not, like people who are a bit more switched on politically, the more they see, the less they like, and whether or not she falls apart in a debate.

Speaker 2

So alive, let me just ask one question in our final minute here. I think there's one thing that does break through everything, which is funny. Try to find something to be funny about. Do a funny meme, Do the funny stuff, because funny pushes through all of the deep cuts and everyone knowing everything right.

Speaker 6

Don't know the memes go out there.

Speaker 9

But I think Kamala's issue is she's just not doing interviews. They can't make a judgment call, and she's protecting herself by hiding away. So there was a question threaten at her a few days ago. She said, people will organize it by the end of the month, of.

Speaker 2

Which they're all okay, and they're all the defenders of democracy and all the rest of it. But when it's there, we get.

Speaker 7

The it's on the cover of time. That's all that matters.

Speaker 2

Oh yeah, yeah, because we read that every week. Thank you, guys, do appreciate it. Thank you very much. See tomorrow, look forward to the potty and we'll see it very soon in Brizzy. All right, quick break and back with the late debate. Moments from now, looking forward to the wonderful Megan Kelly on the show tomorrow night. If you don't already, listen to her show Serious XM, but also find her podcast and her YouTube. She is right on the edge and she is never backing down on how bad Harris

is and particularly how bad the VP is. We'll talk to her

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