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This is Paul Murray Live.
Happy Wednesday. Thank you very much for watching. Lots to get to so let us begin now. Australia is, of course a diverse country. I know people like Laura Tingle think that it's mostly white people who are afraid of the odd different person that is around, but of course we all know that there are lots of people from lots of different places. All you have to do is look at the census. The census, of course a couple of years old, but still the most obvious numbers that
we have twenty six million people in the country. Eighteen and a half million people are born in Australia. There are eight zero point two million people that are born overseas. As you can see here when we compare things from twenty thirteen and twenty twenty three, the bell curve is
pretty much the same. But the countries of which people come from most are England, India, and as you can see, the Orange, which is the more recent number, way higher than previous times, as is things like China, Music, Philippines, Vietnam, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
But on top of that, of course.
There is a far bigger diaspora, which is the number of people whose parents were born overseas and how many year agon that is, well, I can tell you it's about half. About half of all of Australia has a parent at least one that was born overseas. This sense has found that forty eight point two percent of the population continues to be drawn from around the globe, with twenty six percent of people reporting the birthplace as overseas. But the connection back to it is what we're talking
about now. Obviously, as people come from lots of different places, they bring with them a change in the mix of the people who believe in their version of God. Now in Australia, traditionally it has been in modern times Christianity, which has been the number one faith in the country, and it does remain that way, but it is not the majority of the population is certainly the majority of
those who believe in Oh God. Islam is now three point two percent of the population, Hinduism is two point seven, Buddhism two point seven, Judaism is in and around that number as well.
And the number of people who don't believe in any religion at all.
And you know I am amongst them, but I have no respect towards people of faith. I just think it's important for me to be honest with you. Is thirty eight and a bit percent.
Now LEFTI is.
Of course, they cheer on this number, desperately hoping that there's one day where the none of the above eventually gets to fifty percent and they're no longer what will we have to hear about Judeo Christian values, et cetera, et cetera. But of course from whence people come and what they believe in does form their belief system for obvious reasons. But today we learn yet again that there are people amongst us who would like faith to become an even bigger issue in our politics.
There are multiple groups.
And this one in particular, who would like to get the Australian Muslim community to start using their political power to get what they want in terms of foreign policy, which in this case would be no support for Israel and for that to be in return for their vote.
And while the number may be small in terms of the entire country, in obvious pockets of the country, the number of people of the Islamic faith is higher than it has ever been so Muslim votes matter is one of the many different websites or movements that are trying to suggest that one's faith should also start to.
Affect the way one votes.
Now, this group say that their collective voting block is the most valuable and underutilized asset that they have, and they claim that there's twenty seats in particular where the numbers are significant enough to determine who ultimately ends up winning the seats. Now, articles about this phenomenon tell us that according to Bureau statistics, twenty nine of one hundred and fifty one federal electorates have five percent.
Or more of the Islamic.
Vote faith, I should say, and basically all of those are now held by Labour Party people. Now the twenty nine seats, sixteen of those seats are held by the Labour Party on margins of ten percent or more, and the previous election it had suffered primary vote swings against it of up to eighteen percent.
Now, of course, we saw when traditional.
Labor Party seats weren't getting the vote that they expected in places like Cabramatta in Sydney's West Fairfield in and around the area, that of course they thought they could just drop the American lady from Scotland, Ireland on top of the population of the seat of Fowler, and locals like Dae Lee said no. So the Labor Party got the shock of its life. It was no longer able to just tell local communities who their local representative would be from central office of the Labor Party.
This movement is an extension in and of that.
Writing about it today in the Australian newspaper, they spoke to a series of not necessarily Islamic political leaders, but certainly prominent Islamic figures in Western Sydney, including a bloke from I think the Lebanese Muslim Association, who said that this whole effort could be revolutionary. Our community is nuanced. It's filled with second and third generation migrants. Hence why I was talking there not just about where people were born,
but where their parents or their grandparents were born. And that is expected to be a backlash against Labour because they haven't come up against Israel enough. The community leader, doctor Jamal Riffe, has also said that although most elections will fought over the economy, the next one will have a greater emphasis on foreign policy, namely.
Of course, the conflict.
Now you've heard a couple of other people talk about this tonight, and rightly so. That the idea of our foreign policy determining who you would hire to be the government for the next three years is a big change in our politics. But there is something on top of
all of this that we are always fascinated by. And as Australia changes, and as certain parts of Australia become like the more like the people who'd been born in other countries, and again this is happening all over the country, well then surely at some point in time those communities are going to expect that the local politician ends up being somebody who looks like them, thinks like them, and
believes like them. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that we're talking about a search for the ethnicity of a electorate and then automatically a group of one former nationality will end up voting in one particular way, because of course that would be racist. Why because just like white people, indigenous people, Chinese people, gay people, trans community, whatever, everyone doesn't think the same thing as everyone else in their
neighborhood or their likeness. But this phenomena is going to be fascinating to watch of all of the many things that will be fascinating about the next election. If the assumption is that the Labor Party is going to be playing a game between majority and minority, and the assumption at this point in time is that there's not going
to be a change of government. After the example that have been set by the people of Fowler and the largely Vietnamese community, will other communities around the country start to mobilize around other issues. And it's a challenge for those of us that talk about politics all day every day because largely much of the media that talks about politics is blind to what is actually happening in diverse communities.
It's why news organizations like SBS are quite important to us to get a better understanding when people of the community are able to report on the community now. In the olden days, the way that people were able to send a message to particular ethnic communities was to have a good relationship with the local editor of the local language newspaper.
But now things are very different.
As we saw in the last federal election that a huge number of Chinese voters did not like the attitude that the federal government had previously taken to challenging China. By their own admissions, one of the many sources of news that they are receiving is through things like wei Chat. We Chat, as has been reported by many organizations here in Australia, ends up pushing much of the media that comes out of China, which of course is controlled by
the Chinese government. Other reporting suggests that much of the ethnic media in relation to the Chinese community in Australia again has some connection back to the overlords in Beijing. It doesn't mean that these voters are stupid, and I don't want anyone to deliberately misinterpret it, run off to
some umpire and say I'm saying something racist. No, what I'm talking about is a genuine conversation that those of us who claim to know what's going on in the world of politics need to start to open our eyes to, which is a diaspora of people who won't just vote labor because they always have, or just vote liberal like they always have. In fact, the Chinese community is a perfect example about this. Largely Chinese voters were able to send Liberal Party MPs at say the twenty ten, thirteen
and sixteen election. They voted for Scott Morrison, in twenty nineteen, but then there was a big change, a very obvious change. So this is just a way of me saying that we're going to do the best that we can to keep an eye on the types of messages that are floating out in the community that have nothing to do with the traditional media that you see and we watch and we listen to. And I need your help with this.
If you see things that are interesting that you think attempts to influence people based through race or through faith,
I just love to see it. I'd just love to see the types of messages that are going on because, frankly, it's the media that most of us are not seen, but increasingly, with half of the country having parents born overseas and more people than ever before speaking languages other than English at home, the reality is the question is for people like the Liberal Party trying to gain votes or the Labor Party trying to hold on to.
Votes, how do they communicate with these groups?
Who are the people making the ads, Are they redubbing things or are they changing the messages? Again, if you find examples and you can tell me what's really going on, I'd just be fascinated.
To learn about all of this.
I'm not skeptical of it because the reality is, if you and I had gone to a country where we were speaking the at times minority language, or were from a minority culture, where we would obviously see gat news from Australia via sources like skynews dot com dot Au, we'd be trying to read the newspapers online that we were reading when we were living here. So it's no different than people in reverse in parts of our community. So if you find examples of this stuff, I'd be fascinated to know.
What's going on.
Because the group that is claiming that they're going to be moving the Islamic vote around may not necessarily be standing candidates, but they may well end up heavily influencing potentially where votes are going to go. This is going to be a very interesting election, but it sometime this year or definitely next year, it'll be fascinating to see what happens and what information is floating around. Send me the emails, Paul at skynews dot com dot Au.
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You've heard this, but there's a conversation at the moment and a fierce battle about what percent of one percent of global emissions Australia should be cutting by twenty thirty. Peter Dutton has reignited the political fight over climate change.
If the Coalition submits a less ambitious twenty thirty target, Australia be the first country to do so under the Paris Agreement.
Peter Dutton says he remains committed to net zero emissions by twenty fifty, but today he effectively abandoned Australia's legislated short term target. Electorally risky, especially in inner city electorates.
Oh, don't make the teals acrey, please, please, they will glower in our direction. They already have well well under Graham Lloyd, the former Environment editor now I think associate editor at the Australian newspaper, because he actually put it on the table here that.
Australia ain't getting kicked out of Paris.
The world is not turning on Australia if we turned down the dial on the ambitions. Now remember the destination is the same net zero twenty fifty. But as Graham writes today, Australia has no chance of being kicked out of the Paris Agreement. Whatever Peter Dutton may do, the biggest stick that you and Armory would have, which is to deny Albanezi his chance to host a climate conference, should be he be re elected in twenty twenty six, but of course it wouldn't matter because Albanezy.
Would be re elected. Peer pressure but.
Simply is the only tool at the UN's disposal now. A little warning to lefties though now they think that the politics on climate change has changed so dramatically that what failed in twenty nineteen, that was wrapped up in lies in twenty twenty two with two hundred and seventy five dollars off your power bills and five hundred thousand new jobs, that now that they're in government, and because of the Teals and the Greens, they'll stay there forever.
The expectation now is that they're going to go even harder by twenty thirty five. As Shari Markson reported in her program an hour ago, that process could be anywhere between sixty five and seventy five percent emissions reduction targets by twenty thirty five. So the idea that we would eventually get to one hundred percent and effectively be therefore net zero in twenty fifty, but we keep turning the dial up as fast as possible so that we get the bulk of the work out of the way before
we get to twenty and fifty. Now, of course, this is all great for the people who don't rely on paying for power or running a business or all of the obvious things that have to change as a result. But all of those people are the ones already sitting in the lobby groups that are getting government money to help to achieve the power side of that equation. Or they're the politicians who, of course just keep getting pay rises, including the biggest in a decade that they got just
last year. So their assumption is the horse has bolted. There is nothing to be seen here. But Peter Dutt't clearly believes that there is a political angle here that perhaps while the destination remains the same, the journey is one that could be negotiated. And again convenient truth for lefties who like to always talk about Australia as a megapolluta because of the per capita pollution that we make. Of course they don't say that when it comes to
a per capita recession. I do know we use the other figures, But of course when it comes to pollution. It's just how much is in the air right and as you know, Australia about one percent, China more than thirty percent. China can continue to do whatever the hell
it wants still twenty thirty. So the betting here, I think from Peter Dutton, as we've seen this thing grow over the week, and the Labour Party's done an pretty good political job of turning the subject from their own failures, which has been pretty much the story for the past few months, into the red hot outrage in and around
the Paris Agreement this week. But for Peter Dutton, his assumption is that if forty three is too high and we're not achieving it, then what's going to happen at sixty five and seventy five Either we never achieve those goals or way.
More needs to happen.
And even then at the end of the day, even when we hit two thousand and thirty, that's when China starts to get measured on what they have to do before their net zero goal, of course of two thousand and sixty. I've said this a few times this week because I wanted to sink in when you inevitably have to fight about this with younger members of your family, which is, if Australia did everything, it's one percent of
the world's problems fixed. China is thirty percent. Back to that grapt because it's also important to note some of the other countries that are involved here. When it comes to India, there are about ten percent. The United States is at about fourteen percent. Now, unless you're living under a rock, you know there's a presidential election this year. Peter Dutton's bet is that Trump wins because you see, the Paris Agreement is not law in the United States
because it passed through the Parliament like an international treaty should. Instead, it was arch Obama who signed up to it via presidential order, which meant when Donald Trump became the president, he tore the damn thing up. When Joe Biden became
the president, he re signed up to it. So the likelihood is if Trump wins, he tears it up in January of twenty twenty five, meaning that the election we'd be having in twenty twenty five would be one where the country that's producing what twenty something percent or sorry, I should say fifteen percent. My eyes are terrible tonight, fifteen percent of the world's emissions.
Would be in the same box as the one.
That's producing the best part of thirty So what forty five percent of the world would not be playing by any rules before two thousand and thirty. So what might seem as an automatic political loser today if Trump wins. If Trump wins, could become a more competitive position by the election should it be held in January of next year. For his part, he is Peter Dunton.
Day we saw the Prime Minister and his very angry state that he was in, telling people that he couldn't really explain what a sixty five to seventy five percent target looks like. In February of next year, the government's going to have to sign up to a new target by twenty thirty five.
Now, what does it mean for families who.
Are struggling at the moment where Anthony Albanez he promised at the last election that there would be a two hundred and seventy five dollars decrease in your power bill. Instead there's been one thousand.
Dollar increase in your power bill.
But how much higher will your electricity prices go under this Prime Minister.
And the weekend rattled Prime Minister was off with the fairies today because of course Airbus Albo knows an awful lot about what it's like to look out a window and enjoy the clouds. He also knows because he's getting not one but two brand new private jets.
Oh that's right.
Sorry, they were ordered under the Morrison government. But this government's been in power for two years and is powerless to challenge them. He's still getting two new private jets. So today he decided to go.
On this.
Dance a metaphor if you will, about his plan versus Dutton's plan. And the problem is the destination is the same net zero twenty fifty. That's the same for the Libs, the same for the Greens, the same for one day, the same. Everyone's position is net zero twenty fifty. So certainly it's labor and liberal, I should say net zero twenty fifty. So what exactly is the Prime Minister trying to do here when the destination is the same place.
And now what Pety Dutton is saying is that he won't have a twenty thirty target. He won't tell you what he will do before the election. It's a bit like someone getting on a plane at the new airport on one of those mystery flights where you don't know where you're going to go, You don't know what the
destination is. You think you're going to wa direction, but you find yourself on the other part of Australia or the other part of the world, and you can't You can't get off your flight until twenty forty because that's when the nuclear fantasy will land, if they can find a location, if they can find someone who'll fund a nuclear power plant. Until then, you're going to have to parachute out of the plane and take pot luck at where you.
Land nailed dirt. The destination is the same knit zero twenty fifty.
If nucular kicks in twenty forty, then guess what that would all count on? Where we are heading for twenty fifty. But of course there's an election in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, and Albo believes that we're constantly fighting
the last election. But of course the difference between the twenty twenty two election and the twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five election is it interest rates have gone up twelve times since he became Prime Minister, cost of living is demonstrably worse people's capacity to say I'll pay a little bit more if we can solve x percent of one percent of the world's problems, while China can do whatever it wants, and depending on what happens in
the American election, forty five percent of the world won't be doing much before twenty twenty thirty.
That's the game.
But the Prime Minister thinks there's enough people particularly frustrated and angry. And this is sort of the ultimate proof of the uga booger of Peter Dutton. But we've got into such detail every night because I know you're going to have to debate this with your friends and family
over the next few days. I've shown you where this started with a couple of lines of the Australian newspaper willfully misinterpreted to now what we now know towards the end of the week is the government is getting ready to go as high as seventy five percent while they can't currently even achieve forty three percent, and Peter Dutton says let's take it slowly, but will still end up in the same place. Who knows what will happen. Trump winning or losing will be a big factor in whether
that policy hurts or helps the coalition. Now, I know we're not allowed to talk about immigration because nasty Nicki, Sava and the rest of the gang says that this is racist to talk about it.
But we are because we.
All know there's not enough houses for the people who live here already, let alone the number of people who keep being tipped into the country. So we can keep zero point one percent economic growth, and so the government can turn around and say we've got a surplus, right, So they're all sitting pretty in the sort of comfy bits of the country while the rest of us are going, can we just have a little break here please? And
a perfect example of that is rental properties. Now, I remember a friend of mine saying a couple of years ago to me that a big issue on the Gold Coast was how many people couldn't find a rental property. The penny of your really dropped for me until about six months after that.
But what about this today?
That rental stock in Victoria has gone down by fifteen and a half thousand properties, meaning there's fifteen thousand less places to rent this year compared to last year in Victoria.
But of course there's even more people than ever before that are looking around now In Queensland, one of the solutions that they have, which is for people who currently are using their empty houses to go out for weekly rentals on airb and b to put simply make it too hard for people to rent their empty house out now. Of course, if you've just got a nice joint with a nice view and every couple of months you let somebody stay there for the weekend, that's not the issue.
But the council in Brisbane, freshly re elected, has just said that you're now going to need a permit if you want to let your house out via Airbnb.
The hope there is the people who are.
Letting out empty houses will go well, I'm not going to permit bargaret put somebody in for six months or twelve months. Adrian Schuner, the local mayor, says that the council will only issue a permit if the landlords are planning, approvals are all in place, and if it's appropriate and if it has the support of the body corporate, so you might have a unit. But everyone else says I'm
tired of people coming and going. Guess what, you won't be able to rent it out so isn't that amazing You own property, but it's the council that decides what you're allowed to do with the property that you own. And if it's not the council, then it'll be that annoying lady next door, the Karen next door will be able to tell you what you can.
And can't do in your own home.
Now, plenty of Australians love going to Indonesia Bali specifically, they have done so for some time. But again, the ABS put out some stats today telling us the number one location for Australians in twenty twenty three Indonesia. Now, I would have thought that Australia that America would have been higher on that list. But today one hundred and thirty three thousand trips to Indonesia, one hundred and twenty one thousand trips to New Zealand, ninety one thousand.
Troops to Japan.
But of course, for many people, the place they go in Indonesia is Bali.
And while many.
People go and sun themselves that a resort, there are plenty of other people who they don't care. It's just a chance to have as many bing tangs as possible. Get the T shirt and hopefully get home in one piece. Why am I telling you all of this tonight because that I'm one tourism destination for Australians, which is Indonesia, are now telling people up front knock it off. So in the same way that they are very clear about drugs and the penalty for drugs is death in Indonesia.
The penalty for carrying on like a luci unit who's having fun on a forty trip, well, I won't be death. It may will end up being a significant fine or potentially time in prison. I tell you all of that because clearly Australians love going to Bali. I'm telling you now, calm down, make it like half a wild night rather than the full on wild nights for obvious reasons, but perhaps the biggest party if the Greens ever getting shared anything, could well be here at home. You may have seen
this around today now. Of course, this is the Greens trying to sort of out left the left because the legalized cannabis people are elected in the News of Wales Parliament. But the Greens say we can go better than just marijuana, can't we?
Ideally, it would be great if people didn't drink, because it really is a poison and people didn't smoke cigarettes, but they want to so regulate it. I think the same thing we should start thinking about that with currently illegal drugs like cocainey.
Good luck, no chance, no chance.
Now we've got the Olympics coming up end of July. But I've got to be honest, that's not the sporting event I get particularly excited about.
Now.
I want you to think about like best evers, like Peter Brock or Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali. These are legends of their sports. Well, there is one legend who sits above all of them. There is a sport.
Called Major League eating in the United States, and on.
The fourth of July and a patriotic duty at New York's Coney Island, they come from near and far to try to challenge the champion. Joey Chestnut is his name, and he has won more hot dog eating contests than I've had hot dogs. And I'm a fat blake, so that's how good he eat is. Well, today I woke to a disgrace to an absolute face, which was the sixteen time champion. Joey Chestnut is out. He is not allowed to compete in this year's fourth of July Nathan's hot dog eating contest shown around.
The world on ESPN.
Why because he has recently started a sponsorship with a plant based hot dog company. Now the dogs taste the same going down, but Nathan's who are the people who make the hot dogs that they eat on the fourth of July say sorry.
This is not acceptable.
So the sixteen time champion, the Goat of Goats, has been banned from being able to climb man Man one more time. And plenty of people in the United States are Chris falling at this idea, including the Great Painton McAfee on ESPN.
Let the guy sucked down dogs is what we're all saying. And there's enough time to figure this whole thing out. And I hope that we're able to get it accomplished, because if I turn that on and I got some Bush League and hot dog eaters on my TV, I'm not going to be impressive.
Sing it brother, sing it loud.
I need to see the disgusting show that Joey Justin does. Yeah, and that's how you celebrate America. They need to figure this out. AJ I'm bum dat.
Three words free Joey Chestnut.
I don't think Bromba Bishop will Stephen Conroy care, but we'll talk about other things straight after the break Here on Paul Murray Live, Lenny me because it's disgusting. Well, who knows they're passionate for Joey Chestnut or even their knowledge of major league eating? But Bromwin Bishop is here
along with Stephen Conroy. Look, I don't know whether you want to get behind me here, Steve, and you're a numbers man, brom when you know how to manage a branch, I mean, can we free the major league eating guy? Have you ever heard of this concept Browin of just literally competitive eating of hot dogs?
Disgusting? Yeah, it's awful. Stephen? Have you ever been a fan of you? This bloken.
I but I have.
I have always taken note of how many the winner you can act like, consume and tatler of admiration. I've long ago given up trying to a hot dog, But I have nothing admiration for the amount of the revels.
Stuffed down the moment his record seventy six in ten minutes, seventy six ten no, no, no, which is not so anyway. Let's get the proper stuff. So let's talk about twenty thirty, let's talk about targets, Let's talk about elbow on his mystery flight rubbish. Right, Okay, So I'll be very direct. When I heard Live's pulling out a Paris agreement, I've gone, hang on, how does this help in the ten seats that they need?
And all the rest of it?
Right, Matt Canavan comes on the show on Monday and says, well, you've ever complicated it. It's just about what you believe it, whether this is the right.
Way to go with the wrong way to go.
And just like many people said, well the conventional wisdom is yes, it's going to get up. Well he picked no when it was sixty forty and guess.
Where it all ended up. Bromwin.
Have they done the right thing or do they need Trump to win bills to keep going up and then they can start to win.
It's the right thing. And historically since Rudd was first elected, the coalition has been has one seats and one elections in every election except twenty twenty two, when because of Morrison going off to Glasgow it was no longer an issue of difference between the parties. But we won every other time when it's in contention, and people focus on
what it is doing to their lives. And when Peter says that he's focused on Australia, not Paris, and he won't bankrupt the country to meet the unattainable target of the Labor Party makes a.
Lot of sense well, especially when, particularly as shry is reporting, if the conversation is currently forty three we can't get to but we'll eventually get to seventy five by twenty thirty five, then again the normality a change. If the easy stuff has.
Already been done, then clearly that's going to be fascinating about what and were.
Destroys entirely our rural industry.
I wanted to get seven and then we can get into the fight about it all. Stephen, the reverse of the tough question to you wrote, because again I know sort of the ease with which it's like, okay, please feel free to.
Step on this land line.
But if Trump becomes president and then you end up with a scenario that I out on before, where China doesn't get messaged TI twenty thirty, the US pulls out completely, that's forty three percent of global emissions. Good luck trying to sell people on seventy five percent of one percent is urgently needed by twenty thirty five.
Look, I mean the maths of what you described there don't represent the debate in Australia. The majority of the Australian public, as demonstrated by the last election, believe that we need to move through in newr Boss and they would like to move as fast as we can. The challenge the Labor has always been, and I think it's beginning to absolutely get into the sweet spot, is that it absolutely says gas has to be part of this transition. That was always going to be needed to be the case,
no matter how hysterical or the Green's got. The manufacturing sector in this country, which we're trying to rebuild, need a gas supplied electricity in the short term. So managing the gas part of this equation, albeit drawing from the Greens, has always been Labors charge. I think it's hitting the sweet spot right now. I think it's in a position where it can manage its way through the transition. But Peter Dutton's position of saying I'm not going to tell
you it's too hard to do out of governments. I've seen experiments.
Like this before.
Not having a policy, you're able to be attacked from all sides. Frankly, what you've really done, is it said I, if I can just finish Brombent. What it's really done, is it said every single Teal and Green voter, every single Teal and Green bot if I want to see action on climate change, I have to give my preference to labor another you like labor or not. On the Middle East, every preference will be coming to labor now. And that's where I think the mistake puttered Upton's mode.
I would suggest, by the way, just just slightly. Though conversely, of course, if one nation's currently sitting what at seven percent, if they ended up with a preference mix that gets closer back to twenty nineteen, twenty two, twenty twenty two, then that will help the LMP in some areas, not all areas. But again I suppose that's their argument that if we can get a primary vote to forty plus, all of this.
Game, but let's get back in there.
We are yet to see whether the money will flow in the same way for the Teals as it did previously, because already the person who gave them half a billion dollars said, no.
More English is Jewish.
Oh yes and not interested.
So there's a whole for stuff. We also, I remarkably heard mckela referred to as.
It inner city seat.
Really, I don't think so. And I would remind everyone who likes to look at the figures from the yes from the no vote that it was virtually fifty to fifty and that was with no support from the Liberal Party at all, just committed people in the electorate who said we're going to vote no.
So okay, So Stephen, I want to just ask this one more and then we'll move on, right, which is we can see where Albo's going to try to fight it on again. The assumption that horses bolted, just like votes for the left climate change for the right, has to be solved, deal with all the rest. Bromwin's shaking
your head, which is why I asked this question. Do you have to be careful about what we assume is conventional political wisdom about the financial costs of things when the financial mix of voters in twenty four and twenty five is very different than it was in twenty two.
Correct, Well, look, I think that's a that's an absolute fair point, and what we know right now today is the most potent issue across the entire country, regional, in the north, in the south, wherever you want to talk about is cost of living.
So Peter Dutton's only path forward here is to.
Link further rises and energy prices purely to the government's policies. Now, the problem he's got consistently is that the state liberal parties don't support.
Him on this.
Very close and dear friend of Bromwinn, close and dear friend.
The state liberals.
He reposed coal mines federal as state labor government keeping going longer, Okay, So the problem is that the state Liberals continue to have an entirely different position to Peter Dutt, and it's going to be hard for him to try and blame these things entirely on labor because his own state former now, as Brombin correctly says, state governments contributed to the price increases because they closed down, just like Daniel Andrews closed down too quickly a caul fire power
station that was needed in Victoria.
Matt Keane did the same.
So it's a more complex issue today than it was five years.
Liberal governments closed it down.
I said before the last state election that should perite lose it will be Matt Keane's fault and it was, and he is a pariah in the party, useless and irrelevant. So the important thing that the point that you did make that is right is that the question of the cost of what the transmission lines that have been rolled out, the cost of the ambition of mister Bowen is going to hurt the Australian people and it is linked to
the cost of living, and that is Labour's policy. Well, this is this is the key issue and they're wound into one.
And this is why this is why I love the longer chat on certain topics like this Rod because you're seeing the idea behind the fight, not just the fight itself and who ends. And again the conventional wisdom you couldn't possibly back the no case. Guess what ended up happening. So that's that conventional wisdom and the idea is Look, I'm fascinating in all of it, but let's move on.
So pennamal Aanawskis has announced something late this evening that is of great interest to me because I always think that it represents something kind of other than what many people think that it does. Now he is apparently about to put a new law into the South Australian Parliament that will essentially get rid of political donations. Now, this of course would mean that the political parties are paid money by the Electoral Commission based off how many votes
they get. Now, of course that would instantly mean that if you win government, you have more money than the party that didn't win government, So that helps the incumbent. Right on top of that, of course, you have all of the staff, all of the machine, all of the tax pack, tax payer funded polling like we've seen Palichet, Miles and Alan and Andrews have been doing, and you're able to do that. So you've got that feeding into
your India political machine. Plus the government advertising that at the federal level they're going to spend what forty million bucks telling you about something you don't have to apply for, So the benefits of incumbency go through the roof. Of course, this wins the dinner party conversation because money in.
Politics is terrible.
Of course, part of this is also limits on how much each party can spend in any one seat.
But remember the unions, which.
Are fifty percent of the Labor Party, are all independent, which means Labor gets to spend two dollars to every one dollar of everyone else.
And if you want to disrupt.
The team Red team Blue game, the best you can do is you still a limit on your spending, but the most money you can get is two seven hundred dollars from individuals. So how many of those do you need to get to seventy?
You get the point.
It helps the incumbent, it helps the government in this case labor at one point, somebody else Broman. We've had ding dongs over the years about all of this. I think that giving a financial advantage to incumbency is bad for democracy.
That's how high I am on it where it.
Were you work, and I think the idea of eliminating donations just widens the gap between those who are in power or elected into the even in opposition from the people who are being governed. I've always felt that industry had an obligation to make a contribution because that was part of being a good moral citizen, and to contribute
where they believe the right policies lie. In latter times they kind of littan some for you and some for you, but at least they're having to justify that they're giving it yes, I loved it when the teal said no donations except for us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, that of course was different.
But I really do. And then you're owned by the government. The government is paying for everybody, and it's wrong. That's really wrong in a democracy.
I do think it's that high.
And you know, I don't normally play the democracy card for the sake of entertaining you. That's what they do about Trump on Lefty TV. Here's what the Sathastralian Premier had to say tonight.
I am not talking about captain political donations. I'm not talking about living the number of donations or the strict where donations come from.
Am I announcing a new transparency erasing.
Around electric donations because tonight I announced that we seek to ban all political donations.
I don't care if you're a sickert company or a shoe store, whether you burn fossil fuels or you can pat it against them, whether you're a business or you're a trade union.
Political donations are out part of the model.
At Lease tonight, Stephen.
It's all good if it's your side, and this is your side. But I think this sort of stuff that I think there is a problem with this. I know I'm in about a zero point.
One of one percent people who agree. It's me and Bromwin. But I think the stuff's bad.
I think all it does is breaking an existing power base of the government of the day.
Well, look, I think you know Reasian history suggests that analysis is wrong.
Paul.
Now, as you know, we've talked about this a couple of times before over the years. I'm a big supporter of banning donations, restricting donations, whichever.
Description you want.
Well, I think and I'm with Peter in principle. I just think that there's a reason that other states have gone down the limiting the donations rather than capping limiting, rather than an outright ban, because the High Court has found and implied right to free speech. And they did it under the hawk Keeping government many many years ago over when I think they from Chief Justice advertising yeah, so and so they found and implied right to free speech.
And I think a couple of times they've been challenged in New South Wales to the laws, but because they've been crafted in a way that have allowed some donations, as in capping per electric type thing, the High Court has found in favor of that I suspect the pure band that Peter's talking about. I suspect will run into legal problems in the High Court. But as to the principle behind this, the point I'm made at the beginning point, and so I think you're.
Wrong if you get to spend two dollars more than every other Canada, how's that fair?
That's my I've got to go to a break. How is that fair? Labor? The union is independent?
Well, having fifty percent of to say in your party's constitution.
Happy to come back after the break. I know you've got sponsors.
Let's do it. Well done, Thank you.
And the High Court. Let us all down on that decision.
Correct, all right, quick break back with more, a little on that, but a whole lot more.
You're on, Paul Murray, lave Joey Chess on them. Just press forwards. In my mind I even keep time and.
To show.
Thank you so much for watching Bromwa.
Bishop is here, Stephen Conroy just quickly before the break we had this conversation. My point was to Steve and are given thirty seconds to answer.
Then we change the world.
We move on, which is under all of these changes, forget the donations, what about the spending caps. The High Court ended up ruling that unions are able to operators independent from the Labour Party, but of course they are the Labor Party. So Stephen, doesn't that mean that the unions and the Labor Party are spending two dollars in service of one candidate, but every other candidate can only spend one dollar?
Obviously this is broken late this afternoon evening, Paul, So I've had a chance to go into that level of detail.
I think there's always a fair.
Argument that you've got to find the right balance when you include the unions and the labor movement in a broader alliance. So I think there's a fair argument that that needs to be looked at, and that's always been one of the ones that's been hardest to try and sort out for us when we've been trying to have these debates.
Yeah, I think it's a thing we look again if there's structural changes the Labor Party, and then we move around.
Interesting to see, interesting to see all right? Now?
I mentioned at the start couple of other shows and people have talked about this tonight, which is Islamic leaders suggesting that the power of the Muslim vote needs to start to be harnessed. Now it's not necessarily about running a candidate pushing preferences around, but it's certainly about saying that there's a group of vote that may be held back from the Labor Party to get its attention, chiefly at this moment against Israel when it comes to what's
happening in Gaza. But is is this, Let's be honest, is this the future of Australian politics, That the different diaspora will start to demand that politics becomes global not local.
As far as Islamic candidates concerned, yes, it will, others not so much. Daili was the exception because she worked together with a strong Labor mayor. Yes, Franklin was really really cranky about it, and that was a very powerful coupling. But I'm afraid the emergence rhetoric we'en are hearing about running Islamic candidates and seizing being part of the power structure. It doesn't surprise me at all. I'm just surprised it
hasn't happened already. And I must say I took a look again at Samuel P. Huntington's book and essay before that on the clash of civilizations, and his prognostication is that future wars will be fought on the basis of culture and not countries, and that Islam, the religion of Islam, is almost becoming stronger and stronger because religion in the worst is receding, and it gives them an added strength. So it doesn't surprise me, and I think we really have to think very seriously about it.
But I mean, in fairness, somebody who is of any religion can't be banned from run, of course, can't be banned from trying to influence, what type of influence and where? A longer debout, over a longer time, Stephen, is this the future of politics? I've got about thirty seconds. Yeah, Look, I'm fortunately it's not the first.
I mean, if you want a couple of examples in my lifetime of politics, Cyprus, the Turks and the Greeks have been going at it's in different states where the Turks have a bigger population than the Greeks, and vice versa. They've demanded positions the Macedonians, and the Greeks don't mention that they've finally reached the settlement over the Macedonia issue.
So this isn't the first time that.
Australia has had highly politicized debates around some of these issues, so it's not new.
This is just a newer version of it.
But certainly, as I were saying before, it's a blind spot for those of us who talk about it all the time to not actually know what's happening in some of these communities, which is why I want people to send us examples of what they see in their local language papers, online and all the rest of it. Guys, thank you very much, do appreciate it so much more to discuss, which shall do so next week, all right, stand by for the.
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