From the skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry. Look for to seeing hi again tomorrow night on and off the air. Now big one, we've got forty tonight. Yes, of course, domestic politics more proof Albot is digging a hole deeper by the day, the opposition looking to fill it sooner rather than later. I'm going to tap the brakes on some of this Muslim vote talk. I'll explain why in a second. And if you care about the American election, which I know you do.
Jad Evans, who's not had many good days, had a really good day yesterday slamming CNN to their face. Well done. But before we get to all of that, our own health matters and the fears of what may well be there for all of a us into the future is central. One of those things, of course, is that many people have a concern that one day they could end up with some form of lessening of the brain outright Alzheimer's, dementia, a phasia, or mayor or the many many different things
where we just aren't our normal selves. And Alzheimer's in particular is something that I didn't know this until I looked at the numbers today that one in ten Australians, one in ten Australians right now are have For many of course, it is suffering. There's no other way around it. And for the families around it, of course it is so deeply painful. So tonight's leads story is to tell you some good news and it comes from the university called UCLA. Now, this, of course is the University of
California in Los Angeles. Now they have apparently come up with a new pill that may well be a wonder drug when it comes to Alzheimers. Now, these things are all if sparts, maybe see what happens. I don't push drugs for the sake of the clickbait or anything else. This is mainstream stuff that is being discussed, but it is still a little while off. But imagine in a lifetime if there was some sort of capacity to help
save people from parts of this disease. Today, the Wall Street Journal, repeated in The Australian, says the medical researchers at the University of California and Los Angeles have unveiled a potential treatment for the devastating disease. No surgery. It could be taken as a pill or syrup. Now, this is all about the way that electrons work in the
brain to get them firing. The way they have been doing the tests to this point is that they gave the treatment twice daily for two weeks to some mice, and they gave a placebo otherwise no treatment to other mice, and they were put into an experiment to see how they would go. Now, this is one of those mazes
we've all seen those things that exist. There was a whole series of breeding things that took place to change their brain, and they were put all three groups through the standardized memory test known as a maze where they have to remember their way through to find an escape hoole. Now, the mice with Alzheimer's that had received the placebo, they performed very poorly, so exactly as you would expect someone with something like Alzheimers or an animal with Alzheimers to
end up having that effect. The mice with the ours homers that had received the treatment where they crushed it, they performed nearly as well on the test as those who didn't have the disease at all. Now it's early stages. It's if butts maybees. But for the people who know the one in ten Australians that have it, or the nine out of ten Australians that have a fear that one time, towards the back end of our life, we may end up experiencing it. Today is a day of
good news. Fingers crossed that the collective brains there and around the world will be able to give hope where so often hope slips away, strength and love to everyone who's dealing with that before any sort of a treatment like this becomes a reality to the lesser matters. Queensland, Sorry Queensland, I love Queensland. Why am I saying it? Because there's a que in Question Time and automatically I was triggered while trying to peripherally read documents here. Well
in Question Time today, one issue remains dominant. It remains the same in all the polls, which of course, is that the Prime Minister is in a world of pain on multiple fronts. Take your pick. When it comes to cost of living, Australians, of course are under enormous strain, a severe cost of living pressures. That's a headline from a labor strategist who is here on Sky News today. Now let's run through some of the issues that this government is dealing with right now, and no wonder they
are in the polls situation that they are. What about power bills, Well, as you know promise us two seventy five reduction in stelle, electricity bills are set to rise. And even then the three hundred dollars off the power bill stuff which has not actually started to flow yet because apparently a couple of states haven't signed off on it. Well, that is costing b four billions of dollars and it only goes for one year, and that's just to buy a headline to try to get themselves through an election.
Another example, childcare workers. Every question the government asked itself today in question time was about a PA rise that we'll be going to the people who are involved in the early education of our kids. Now, of course it isn't daycare, it isn't babysitting. Early education is important in setting up kids for primary and then high and then tertiary education if that's what you want to go to. Now, yes, there is way too much wokeness, and we've talked about
this many times before. Where there's more focus on welcome to country, there is on national anthems, but the importance and the role of formalized education as early as possible in life will plenty of evidence points to that being the right thing. Well, they are about to get a major pay rise, but the pay rise is not going to be paid for by the people who employ them. It is going to become a permanent feature of the federal budget this year, next year, and the year after
the first three years of that deal. Well, how much does it cost for them to buy a headline?
Childcare workers to receive a ten percent pay rise in December, another five percent a year later, all up an extra one hundred and fifty five dollars a week at a taxpayer cost of three two point six billion dollars.
Age care workers as well receiving an ordered pay rise from the Fair Work Commission, the federal government decided that they would pay that again, bake it into the budget. The cost there eleven point three b four billion dollars. Now, do I want pay rises for all of these sectors? Absolutely? Of course. Do I want it baked in to every
budget for every year to come? Maybe not? Only because this treasurer himself and the Intergenerational Report tells us that, Yeah, Okay, there's a spike in revenue that means surplus this year, last year, maybe probably because it's an election year next year, but every year in front of that into the future
for the next forty years, we go into deficit. Now, when you keep adding baked in spending like they inserted things like the NDIS, like the Howard government inserted things in like family tax benefits, all of those things become permanent. And the second that you start to have less revenue than you have expenditure, the deficits, well, they get deeper and faster, and they go for longer. So again, is
anyone opposed to the pay rises. No, the methodology by which we are going to pay for it so the government can buy a headline, Well, yeah, you're allowed to say that, but of course that's not the way that
the unnuanced politics of question time works. Well, on top of all of that, and I could list a whole collection of other things, what about this, Despite the fact that the politicians in the building of Parliament House have received not one, not two, but three pay rises since this government came to power, The people who guard Parliament House in the Australian Federal Police, well they are potentially
going to walk off the job. Now. This is despite the fact that they are literally the line of defense for our Parliament. Thankfully, all day every day they don't fire a shot, and all day every day there's not a threat. But on the days when one turns up, you want people there are going to be able to defend the crucible of democracy in this country. Those people,
in part are the Australian Federal Police. Well, guess who is not giving the Australian Federal Police the pay rise that they have given to other parts of the public service or have baked in permanently to the federal budget in things like early childhood education or aged care nursing.
It's the Australian Federal Police. The Federal Police are seriously considering walking off the job, meaning the Parliament would not be guarded by the Australian Federal Police while Parliament is in session for the next little while as a way of trying to get this pay rise. Now, for anyone to walk off the job is drastic. When it is the security professionals, then clearly the priorities of the government are skewiff. The priorities of the government are not in
the right place. Meantime, other problems that this government is not dealing with hospitals. Can you believe that Australia does not have the IV drips? We don't make anything like that in Australia, so all of these things get imported from the rest of the world. The stock has now started to run out, so there was a huge worry over the weekend about whether or not we had enough of this stuff. Now, remember when it was rat tests,
how the Labor Party went ballistic, how the media went ballistic. Well, something like an IV drip would be used in every hospital, every day, every year, every season. Pandemic, no pandemic. The idea that there could be a shortage of that supply is an example of a government that is not focused on the real issues. State and federal governments. But whatever role the federal government plays, why is this happening? And it's all happening again on the Prime Minister and his
minister's watches. This, of course a minister who did not get moved aside, despite again the performance of ambulance ramping and a lot of other things that are in so many public health institutions right around the country. And then of course there are the people who we were told were the heart and soul of why we needed to have a Royal commission into the robodebt scheme, which of course chased people for either incorrectly accounted or at times
false debts for social security. Some of those people ended up taking their own lives. Now, despite the fact that the scheme had been shut down and apologized for, we still got a Royal commission into it anyway. But of course it wasn't about fixing the scheme. It was about making sure that they could hang it on the previous government. Well, what's about to happen here when we hear that an NDIS participant has died after she was being chased for debts?
Any plan on a question on this in Question Time now Again the exact circumstances in and around this young lady in her final days vitally important. But if we had to have a royal commission to go back over the victims who needed to be heard, despite the fact that the scheme that all of this was about had already been shut down and compensation have been paid for, what about the one this government's running now today? And then, of course there's our education system it doesn't matter how
much money that we have thrown at it. The results in the education system have gone down, down, down. The discipline has gone down, down, down. And now there's a take it or leave it style of negotiation which is happening between the federal government, which is labor, and all but one of the states, which is labor, and the
states are not taking the deal. So this bloke is spending billions of dollars to buy a headline two little too late tax cuts that have not moved the needle for people when it comes to dealing with the cost
of living. They have also spent billions of dollars trying to say that they're going to help out with power bills, when the reality is the twenty five dollars a month is already being eaten up by the increases in power bills that come in part because of this government's obsession with moving from one system that worked to another one that fingers crossed will work and costs a trillion dollars.
This bloke is in a world of pain. He's in a world of pain because politicians always are and circumstances they are not always in control of, and there is not a limitless bucket of money. But when they want to find binions, they can do it to buy a headline. But there are several people from the public schools, the public hospitals and even the people who guard our Parliament who are all saying this government is missing in action. Nothing to see here right, which of course brings us
to the Prime Minister. As we've told you before, polling is moving against him as preferred prime minister in the Resolve poll. Also his standing about what Australians think of his performance as Prime minister. Cherry showed you before, but
I'll double down here. Well done to Christopherdall writing an opinion piece in the Nightly, which is the Channel seven thing that they put out online each and every night, where very cleverly Anthony Abernezi is the raygun of Australian politics, making reference to that ridiculous nonsense of the break dancing at the Olympics. Now this bloke doesn't miss our iconic bee girl is all Bunning years, kangaroo hops and body drops. DJ Albow is all top labour chops and policy flops. Hallelujah,
clever good take the piss out of these people. They deserve it. Like the dancer Albinizi is spinning on his head and landing on his ass. Pm x DJ Albow is missing the beat and we're paying the price. Albo and Raygun might be ironic cult heroes in some circles, but what is absolutely certain is their doping moves will
not pay the bills. Well done, excellent. The opinion polls back up this view as well that the Prime Minister, who of course apparently is lovely and delightful, but of course heran up to it when it comes to the real issues. They had a solution how to win an election, no question, but their solution to running a country well on how many different levels can they fail all at once? Sort of everything everywhere, all at once, as the film
was of course called. As you see today in the news poll the Labor Party is in a world of trouble thirty two percent. That's down from the last one and down from the last federal election. The Liberal Party at thirty nine percent is oh so close to the magical forty. They win elections if they are at forty. Now I always have to say the Teal vote matters, the Teal seats matter, and they are the big block
between government or opposition. But we'll all wait and see whether people have had enough of the government and therefore will step away from people like the Teals. But also let's have a look at the Prime minister now. He is the multiple prime minister in a row who decided to set a bar for themselves that proves success.
We haven't lost, to go back to Nemesis, we haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
Yeah, but a few months ago he had a fifty to fifty year and he's got a fifty to fifty right now. Now we will see whether this turns fifty one to forty nine in which direction. But after the performance in Parliament, the reality of the economy, the fears of the people have in particularly when it comes to the Reserve Bank. I wouldn't betting the house on the Labor Party right now. As well as another poll, the Resolve poll. We told you this in great detail last night.
Fifty one percent of the country repeat, fifty one percent of the country, when asked by the channel on newspapers say the Prime Minister's performance is poor or very poor. And then this is the one that is really going to drive the point home. Because how many of these issues are considered to be the top priorities of Australian voters. When you compare the Labor Party to the Liberal Party, on which issues people think the Labor Party is better on, well,
they're behind the Liberal Party by seventeen points. On the economy, they are losing badly. Managing the finances otherwise known as the federal budget, they are losing badly. They are down eighteen points. Defense, They are losing badly fourteen points immigration, where remember everything was so terrible we had to flip the ministers thirteen percent. So the Treasurer is involved in the budget, The treasure is involved in the economy, The
Finance minister is involved in the budget. The Finance minister is involved in the economy, the finance of the Defense Minister and Deputy Prime Minister is involved in defense. But it was the immigration ministers who decided to get the flip. So guess what. The reshuffling of a cabinet and the reshuffling of ministers, the reshuffling of deck chairs on a
political titanic, It doesn't actually change anything. Again, there is a great golf between the people who talk about politics full time and the reality of voters who live with its consequences. The same people who told us the budget was fantastic and more offterward early election because this is going to turn everything around and everyone's going to love a tax cut. Who told you on Budget night too little, too late? Now we know what moves the needle here.
We also know what the blocks are to a potential change in government.
Now.
I have never been a person who's ever, ever, ever, ever ever told you this is a one term government, never ever, And you know how I can't stand them. But when the issues are moving the way they are, the personal ratings are moving the way they are, and the two party preferred is moving the way it is. Again, I'm not going to say that's what's in its future, but the automatic assumption that the only party that may be in a position to form minority government is Labor
is starting to change. Now let's get to this Muslim vote stuff. Now. Islamic people in Australia have grown by population over the years after coming to the country, after
multiple generations being born in the country. The numbers are relatively small in terms of the national figures, but as we've talked about before, like many minority communities, they end up sort of clustering in certain areas, particularly Western Sydney, and generally speaking, the results in those areas of which people live that have high Islamic populations have resulted in pretty solid results for the Labor Party. Let's speak about
the seat of Watson. The seat of Watson in Western Sydney is the one that is owned by own sorry held by the Home Affairs and Arts Minister Tony Burke. Now tomorrow apparently we're going to hear that there will be a independent who is planning to stand and we will learn more about the organization behind this person tomorrow. But I want to pump the brakes on people who believe that quote unquote, the Muslim vote is going to see a whole bunch of Labor MPs tipped out on
their backside. Now there is a chance that there could be a few little effects in the Senate. There's some preference whispering that is now at the heart of some of this stuff, which means there may well be a result of a senator who may will magically appear from a place like New South Wales getting the sixth and final spot. But in terms of the number of MPs that are about to hit the floor. It's not going
to happen. Let me explain why. Now, Yes, even though there's a significant Islamic population in the seat of Watson, and clearly if it decided to vote for a community independent that was to the Labor MP, then Tony Burk's vote would fall. But at the last election, Tony Burke's vote in that seat was fifty one point five to one percent of the vote almost fifty two percent. Was then followed by the Liberals, the Greens, United Australia and
One Nation. So let's imagine that you insert another person here and they get fifteen percent of the vote, Well, they would not end up getting into the preference game because they would have to poll higher than the Liberal Party and they have to finish second. For them to actually win the seat and end up defeating the Labor Party, they would need the preferences of the Greens, United Australia Party, One Nation and the Liberals. That is not going to
happen in the seat of Watson. Now, I do not believe we're going to be in a scenario here as well. When let's imagine that it ended up at Sievio half of the vote a quarter of the vote total, but half of Labour's vote disappeared and it ended up you know, everyone at twenty five, twenty five, twenty five. Well, does anyone believe that the local Islamic candidate running on the Muslim vote or whatever the brand is going to be, is going to end up sending the preferences of the Liberal Party.
No?
Does anyone think the Liberal Party is going to send the preferences to whomever the local independent is. No. You see, the Teals have been able to get there because everyone but the Liberal Party sends their preferences to the Teals. Many major parties end up running dead in those seats in order to get the Teal to finish second and all of the preferences to get you up and over fifty percent tomorrow night, seven point thirty. Fascinating little insight
into what may or may not be happening. And again, I think the true consequences here are going to be at the Senate level potentially, rather than the seat level, unless, of course they're going to start preferencing the Libs. Ain't going to be happening. Well, Fatima, payment of course, the senator who decided to move from the Labor Party to an independent who, by the way, apparently according to the press, has decided to hire a preference whisperer from a completely
different state to work for her in her office. Well, she is going to well make more news. He's part of it. That it's not that she did the wrong thing by crossing the floor, it's that more Labor people didn't join her.
I'd probably say that I didn't expect the Labor Party to not follow its own platform. I've been hearing from people on the ground that they do feel betrayed that it wasn't me who crossed the floor. It was the rest of my caucus members in the Senate who crossed the floor to the wrong side.
That and a whole lot more tomorrow Night's seven point thirty Jonathan Lee Special Report, So Andrew Bolt first and then Clash of Faiths tomorrow and if you miss it live and of course be up at sky News dot com dot au. Now, it seems that the latest thing that of which the people who finger wave for black
band is gambling advertising. Now, let's be very clear, many people think there's too much of this on their television, and even Peter Dutton of course stood up and said that within an hour of game time, you wouldn't be allowed to have one of these ads. So there is going to be some movement there. Of course, is the take it or leave at non disclosure agreement to style of negotiating from the most transparent Prime minister of all time, and there will not be a total ban on this
form of advertising. Apparently the government is going to hold the line that they believe that there should be a cap on the number of gambling ads that can be played, particularly at any one time on any one day, and we'll find out the details about that later. But it is fascinating watching how these sorts of issues bubble up and fall away. Now, without doubt, problem gambling is horrific,
there's no question about it. But there are plenty of people who run and talk loudly on this subject because it's quite unquote easier to fix many of the other real, deep and other real and deep problems that exist in our society. So you get many people that are sitting in and around the independent world of politics trying to
put a bit of pressure on the government. Now, of course, if the Greens decide to vote against the government on this if the Libs decide to vote against the government on this, well then there's going to be no change. Of course, people like Jackie Lamby in the past have said that if they don't get their way on certain pieces of legislation, they won't support any of the legislation. But of course she wouldn't be doing that in the
lead up to an election, would she. But of course Jackie Lamby perfect example of one of these people who just knows, regardless of what you've said in the past, said in the future, whatever the evidence is or isn't it, if you scream at a camera, they'll run it on the telling.
How about just for once today, just for once, put the future of our kids first.
Just once, When it comes to the rental situation that exists in Australia right now, we know it's tough. There are fewer properties than ever before, and the amount of time that a rental property is on the market for you to be able to go and inspect and apply for. Of course, there's more people than ever before that are applying for them. Where you can start to see some data here that tells you just how quickly things come
and go from the rental market. Houses in a dozen suburbs are securing tenants more than forty percent faster than July last year, according to data that appeared again in the Australian newspaper today. Now let's have a look here at the particular example of suburbs in one of the major capital cities on the East Coast, hazel Brook. Thirteen days from listing to being withdrawn Brighton the San's Manly Vail and other places in and around Sydney, it's less
than twenty days. It's even tighter in places like Melbourne, where you can see they're multiple suburbs. Again, basically two weeks from listening till it's taken off, So you have to be whipped. You have to be there like on day one, and even then it doesn't really matter the way that it used to wear if you're first in, best dressed when it comes to an application. The same
two with Brisbane. If we can guys that reality here is that fewer properties than ever before are going faster than ever before, with more people looking at them that ever before. But look over here, look over here. The real problem is gambling at its now to the United States. Now we all assume that there are certain hoops one must jump through in order to eventually become the president of the United States. But as we know, convention is
just convention. Tradition is just tradition, and things can be just pushed completely aside if you are willing to do it in order to win. Perfect example, of course, is what happened with the Democrats, who someone very cleverly decided to expose that the Joe Biden, who they all said
was amazing, wasn't that amazing? But then it was all happening before he'd formerly become the candidate and was locked in, so of course they had the chance to flush him, and they didn't go on a process of trying to replace him. They just went to the number two on the ticket, who locked it all up with a couple of phone calls within less than a day. And now all of the things that we know she believes, she now pretends she doesn't believe. But because she doesn't do
any interviews, nobody is asking her. So, hang on, which one have you changed and why why did you believe this then and you believe that now. But because of course the media now have what they want, which is a change of the race, A circuit breaker to deliver anything but a Trump victory. Now, amazingly, the vice president of the United States, who yes, has only been the candidate for a couple of weeks, but still you would imagine has the talent and the capacity to sit down
for an interview to explain why I believe this. Now I believe that, and not just on I mean, it's so many different issues. But instead, this is what she said to reporters in part of a seventy something second exchange that of course they then turn around and say, oh, she takes questions all the time. This is when she is planning to have an interview where anyone, even a soft interviewer, will have to ask her, Madam Vice President, you believe this, You believe that? Why? And what changed
your mind? When is she planning to have one? Oh? Look, there's been a lot of.
Questions about when you're going to stick down for your first interviews.
Being about our.
Need as parts of my team, I want us to forget an interview scatup by the.
End of the month.
Yeah, actually, can we play it again. I just want to make absolutely sure that we all heard with our own ears and we saw with our own eyes the end of the month.
There's been a lot of questions about when you're going to stick down for your first interviews, being about our need.
As parts of my team, I want us to forget an interview scatus by the.
End of the month.
Now. But this is fascical. It's nonsense. The idea that you are simultaneously qualified to be president because you were vice president but you don't own any of the decisions of the administration that you were co pilot for is ridiculous. The idea that you could be president of the United States but I don't have time to sit down and account for why all the things I believed in I
now don't believe in is rubbish. The media, we know, are always cheerleaders of the left, and when they have a candidate like Harris, they turn into the pr machine of that candidate. But the idea that people in the business of asking questions go on television like this on MSNBC to say, ah, questions, why do we need questions? There shouldn't be questions. She's just the opposite of everything she's been for the past four years, and if you don't like it, you're racist.
It would have struck me since Donald Trump's press conference is sort of the sort of high brow nature of the press coming at Kamala Harris saying, well, she, in my view, whining that she hasn't she doesn't talk to us, she hasn't done a sit down with us, she hasn't done interviews with us. Right now, is there a real need for her to sort of, you know, get the impromater of the press on her campaign.
Firstly, total garbage, the impromater of the press. No, you see, here's how it works. That bloke, by the way, ran the Republican Party in the incredibly unsuccessful period of time from twenty and eight to twenty ten. And then because he bags everything the Republican Party is, he gets a home on left wing television. But they get to say we're fair and balanced because here is a former person who's currently going to dump buckets on their former side.
Always so fair and balanced. The impromater of the press. You say, there's three hundred million people in the United States, about one hundred and fifty million the I believe, are registered to vote, and you see, any candidate will never have the opportunity to meet all of those people. So what often ends up happening is that you sit down and do an interview with somebody, and yes, millions of people will watch that interview, and we'll be able to
get a greater insight into the candidate. But no interviews, no ad libbing, changing of positions one hundred and eighty and stealing the other bloke's policies in order to win a state is not the stuff that a leading democracy is involved with. And I don't say that because the polls have changed and Harris now is the front runner. I say it because if it was the other way around. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been on panels like that on MSNBC. Oh, Donald Trump hasn't taken
a question since becoming the Republican nominee. What is he hiding? What is he hiding? Well, of course we know he's not hiding. He's in plain sight, so much so that somebody took a shot at him. And after it, he holds press conferences, he does interviews. Literally, in the next twenty four hours, will have a sit down conversation which will be watched by millions of people with Elon Musk.
There will be plenty of other opportunities for people to ask him questions and the inevitability of more press conferences, and he'll either dig deeper holes from himself or he'll find a way out. But the idea that she's awesome, just believe it is where the biggest democracy or one of the most significant democracies in the world has got to gives you an idea about why so many people don't quite trust the narratives that are presented to them.
And if you don't present and if you don't agree with those narratives, they find ways to shut you down. We will see the forest for the trees here each and every night, no matter whether it's our politics, their politics, or any issue, every time more in a secure on pormary life. Thank you so much for watching in the man Cave right now. None of them lovely, Sam Crosby equally delightful, but just soaking up the lack of sun.
In Canbell right now is of course none other than Matt Canavan, Senator, looking so happy there, just tie and everything. It's just I don't want to say that's more comfortable up here in the man Cave, mate, but it is more comfortable. So let's get straight to though. The federal government and starting to put in place what we've talked about.
This was announced literally the day before the election, so they could say they had a mandate for it, which is new laws, the bigger environmental protection agency, the Nature Positive program they've been trying to push for a while. Matt, what's the latest on this? How close does it get? What's your sense of it.
While the rumor is going on around here that the government will not pursue this before the election, they have got the laws in parliament right now. It doesn't do everything we feed but does set up this sort of useless new cop on the beat who will be unaccountable to elected officials and most likely just delay environmental approvals Further, that's almost certainly what the Greens wanted when they insisted
on this. So it doesn't look good. I think I personally believe the reason the government is not pursuing it right now is because they're holding it back as negotiating coin for a hung parliament after the election. We can see that is on the books now, and it's things like this that all Australia should be feared of. That if you vote for a Labor party at this election, you'll have no idea what will come out the other side, It'll be a complete and utter surprise. It's a bit
like Forrest camp box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get and you might end up with a nut like Adam Bant who is put in then charge of our environmental laws and stop sorts of jobs being created all around the country.
So again, right, the government sells this as well, this is just a logical progression in trying to sort of build the framework around better environment things to do with climate change here. But Sam, clearly, if it's the Green so we are going to end up in a position where you can't pass anything through this in without them.
And if, potentially, if the Pols are correct, you won't be able to pass a bill in the Lower House without them, then it's a much wild aversion of this bureaucracy that they will at the very least be able to turn the dials up on.
Look, I'm not nearly close enough to the scuttle button the gossip that Matt's talking about as to whether or not this is going to be a bargaining chip in a hung parliament. He may well be right, he may well be I don't know the way forward on this I think, in a constructive and useful fashion is for the liberals and the Nationals now to sit down and come up with a piece of legislation that they can
live with. I mean, I agree, I don't want any piece of environmental regulation needlessly restricting development approvals or restricting jobs. I dare say the government doesn't want that either. So the best way to assure that we all live and I genuinely think the best form of any kind of regulatory oversight body is a bipartisan one. You know, business knows that it's going to be there for the next twenty years because both parties signed up to it.
So, Matt, give us an idea, Right, what are you concerned about when it comes to an environmental protection agency or nature positive? And I know we could fill the rest of the hour, but we can't do it.
Yeah, we can't do it, Sam suggests, because we don't support putting bureaucrats empowering unelected bureaucrats with a life or death decision over job creating projects in this country. I believe in democracy. I believe in accountability, ministerial accountability.
To the people.
We oppose that we fundamentally mentally oppose that. And the other problem with this bill is it doesn't include there reforms that were suggested in the Samuel Review of our environmental laws that would actually reduce red tape and free up job creating projects. The governments ignored that and its just pursuing this green dream of creating this empowered bureaucracy to stop projects. So we can't really negotiate on this
because we just fundamentally don't support that. I don't support Canberra based officials here being in charged of what happens all around our country for very important projects of the lifeblood, especially of country towns in Australia.
There's also something sam that I'm just thinking philosophically here right, the government trying to create a new bureaucracy to turn around and say not our fault, their decision right, not the first to do it, but this is what they plan to do. This is also the structure in and around the censoring of the Internet, which is of course if the government tried to sense it isn't that would be disgraceful. But we just gave more powers to somebody else to decide what misinformation is and to go off
and create finds off the back of it. Philosophically, where are you on this idea? Because the only check we have on the bureaucracy is minister all oversight is a Parliament where question time can come back and forth. Is the Senate estimates. But the reality is that most of these organizations just say computer says no, we all move on. Not a democracy, sure, But let me give you another one. The RBA.
You know, the RBA is the second most trusted institution in Australia behind the High Court. You know, it's run by experts, largely with a dispassionate view and they just go out there and they try to achieve inflation between the two to three percent.
The RBA is never a broker in a dispute between two people, or walks onto your property and say you can or can't know. No, that's fair enough.
I would say it has a much bigger impact on a lot of every single Australian.
It's a technical decision. I mean it's a technical decision.
Sam.
The problem with the environmental law space is that it is a balancing of values and priorities. There's no particular science. The RBA has a set tard. They work best. I believe they've gotten the trouble in the last few years when they've tried to expand their mandate. Haven't exactly done very well recent recent times the RBA. But I grant you that over there, most of their history they have
been good. They've been good when they focused on one technical aspect, was just hitting an inflation target, which they can do by controlling one tool. That is sure, sure nothing equivalent to that as in assessing the complex details of the creation of jobs, the destruction of local environments that have to be balanced up and values based way. Those types of decisions should be held by elected people
who are accountable to the public. And I think we'll go and get into ourselves in a lot of trouble if we continue sure to lean back and then COVID is a good example disaster, absolute disaster, because all the experts did was simply apply the public health. Experts applied one set of values which was about public health, and forgot about a whole lot of other things have to be balanced at the same time.
And the premius work in charge. It was the public servant that was advising that all the resk I.
Know, we want to have a philosophical conversation here, right, But let's remember two things. One, the EPA was an idea of Richard Nixon right in the nineteen seventies. This is hardly a left wing conspiracy out there. But two, the sorts of things that the federal EPA is going to look at is dumping at sea that is currently not overseen by any state EPA, waste imports and exports, ozone.
Pollution.
Like you know, I agree, you can have all sorts of intellectual debates about it.
Is from the nineteen seventies, then sure, it's still a thing.
We're back, We're back in the technicals can still be pumped out. But this is the point, right, we can thought we've infixed that with housepro We can have interesting philosophical conversations about it. But at the end of the day, there are still a bunch of basic, boring regulatory things that need to be policed. Sure, but the laws by which should absolutely be subject to democratic oversight and democratic governmental mandates.
But my concern is, yeah, most I have a party put this out before the night before the election, and that would have allowed.
But also and the negotiations around all of this, NBA locked or and the rest of it and then just presented at the end. Process matters. This is one of those processes that can either be matches up to the spin or as soon as sunlight gets it, it gets the way that Matt talks about it. Let's talk about a couple of other things. I feel like we're having the hard headed chat tonight, which is nice. It's like a three am chat without the booze. Fair enough, walking
to my life. Now, are the CFMU and the Green is going to start to team up? Now? We know that Labor of course is going to do its best to pretend they have nothing to do with despite the fake National Executive and all the rest of it and all the obvious ties. But if there's CFMU money and c FMU volunteers that may will be up for grabs and Labor Party doesn't want to touch it and they want to go further left, there's only one place to
go and that's the Green. What would I say to you if the CFMEU machine started to get attached to the Green?
The Greens are the great opportunists of the Australian politic hall.
But that's a big change.
Look it is, and it isn't. So we're not talking about the whole c FMU. We're talking about the CFMU construction, right, So it's quite a small sliver, and important sliver, but quite a small sliver of the whole thing, the whole Union. And I've got to say, look at what the Union has been accused of. Are these the bedfellows that the Greens really want?
I agree, but I don't understand how mad this government wants a gold staff while we're cleaning up the CFMU. When there was a standing Royal commission into the CFMEU through the Building and Construction Commission, but this government pulled it down, got rid of it at the behest of the CFMMEU. But now they're going to give them a haircut.
Well, I should be deregistered if the government serious just deregister this organization. It's broken ter many laws over too much a time. But the fact that won't do that concerns me that in fact this will be a sham administration process where the government wants to appoint the administrator
and they are conflicted too. Of course, they've taken millions of dollars in donations and the only way I think the Labor party can regain trust on this issue is to return those donations before it makes the decisions about regulating this criminal organization.
I've got ninety seconds again a conversation that could go for an hour, the Muslim vote conversation. Do you agree with my now about the lower House stuff that unless they get preferences from the Libs or give preferences to the Libs, no Labor in PA's moving.
Yeah, no, I agree with that, and I agree as soon as I saw Glen Drury was involved as in the Fatoma payment office. And you know there is a Senate play at stake here. I don't know where that play ends. I don't know who's going to get elected. I imagine that whomever it is is going to be a client of Glen Drury. He's a master preference whisperer.
Well and asserved that his role as a significant the staff at a cross benches in the past. So I get what the pitch is. In fact, there was video of the pitch that the Herald Sun put out well during the lead up to the last state election. I got to go, so I'll get you first cap off the rank next time. Matt. Thank you to appreciate, Senator, Future Senator. We will talk again very very soon, right, quick break back with more. The Great Warren Brown's going
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Rettel the Bullshowbody's coming up? Warren Brown Joins is on the telly Now you see his cartoons in the paper Engine every day. Great man, So good to see you. So hang on. Just you got paid to get around in that beautiful car, all at one in banks, beautiful big car, big loud, petrol petrol petrol car, kicking around in the dirt and hanging out with normal people. I'm always jealous of you, but I'm even more right now, Paul. It was a dream.
The Ram fifteen hundred big Horn. What a great name, great big, What an amazing machine. It is about a five point seven lead of V eight, a sort of It's a hybrid as well, strangely and it's it was the most glorious car to explore Australia with it. If I had the time, when I had the money, I would buy one of those hard to go and drive Australia. Tremendous stuff and wonderful for the Bush Summer.
But also I mean you've literally had the experience of driving you know, here to London and around the country many times. But to have the focus in on what people want out of regional Australia, what they demand out of government, what they need out of companies, what sorts of themes came to you about just the relentless things that matter from Queensland to Wa.
Well, you know, Paul, as you know, I mean people in rural Australia, they're doing it tough. They really aren't tough. And as we know, I mean on the eastern seaboard, you know, the Great Dividing Range is sometimes referred to as the Iron Curtains, So you know, if you're on the western side of the Great Dividing Range, people feel like they've been forgotten. And one of the great things about the Bush Summit is that we go out there, we don't muck around on in sort of tourist spots,
you know. We were going out to Hable and Brokenhill and all sorts of plays, you know, all sorts of Emeralds and all sorts of places in in South Australia, in Victoria, in New South Wales and in Queensland to go and talk to real people and to find out what matters to them. And certainly, well, no, without doubt things are biting hard as we know, foss of living,
so many other things. But it's great and I think that so many people in rural Australia and country Australia are so receptive for someone coming to talk to them about real mats.
We're not.
We're not just some sort of travel show.
We're not.
We're about about real things. And it's that's why the Bush Summit has gone from something that kicked off in New South Wales to a national program that is now attracting so many corporate sponsors because they want to get involved in helping Australia.
Yeah, absolutely, chief amongst them being Hancock Prospecting. You can see that there and I'm looking forward to, you know, frankly, the honor of being able to introduce missus Reinhart at an eventing Western Australia. But also again and I've got just a minute here, right, But I was trying to sort of pick the different locations. I'm pretty sure that you went to Charters Towers or very close to it, which I love, an hour in from Townsville. It's magnificent.
The bloke who runs the drive in watches us each and every night, so shout out to him and everyone else. But it's those places that, as you say, that aren't the obvious postcard or tourist places that give you the real temperature, doren't they? Yeah?
Well, and you quite write a shout out to Charters Towers. And when we met some great people people who run in Texas Longhorn, I've never seen them for the most amazing things they liked, you know, for the horns and the sort of thing you'd see on a sort of JR Cadillac. You know, they are the most amazing creatures. And of course we met some other people, wonderful people who have built a resort out of an old psychiatric hospital.
It sounds weird in Charters Towers, and you find people who've got this sort of the drive and the determination to go and go. You know what, only give this a go. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but they make it succeed. And that's the great thing about us.
He's in the bush. I reckon, bloody oath. I look forward to joining you on this journey via the videos and then in person as soon as we can mate. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Shout out by the way to Steve specifically who runs the drive in at Charterstowers. Love you, brother. Quick break and we'll be back with the Late Debates CED tomorrow.