From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Oho, Mate, What a lot of show we've got for you tonight, no knucking around. Had a fun day watching the debate with grita panicky highlights are up all nowtsky news dot com dot are you tonight on the show. Lots to get to, including a change of the way things are playing out in the Senate. This is going to become a big story as we get closer to an election. There is method to my madness. I'll explained it all
in a moment or two time. We've got an insight today about just how hard it is to find a rental property some parts of Australia is well, frankly virtually statistically impossible. And about that debate analyst Nielsen life in the United States. As the spin continues and the reaction still comes in. Now, in a moment, I will go into the deep dive that you come to expect from me about all things to do with American politics on particularly significant days, but off the top, about this debate.
Ignore anyone who tells you Kamala Harris is completely killed off Donald Trump, and ignore anyone who says Trump had the greatest day of his life. Now, for obvious reasons, people all go back into the corners Team red, team blue, in many ways male female. But remember the main point of this debate was that Kamala Harris at some point had to say what she was going to do with four years should she become the president. She ignored some
fundamental questions. The fact checking, of course, was ridiculous. I think the side eye wasn't that fantastic. And the cutaway shots of course of Donald Trump at times looking a bit to cranky, tired, peed off, whatever, all of those things, while they all play into the amateur psychologist in all of us. But I can't get past the people who
were running the debate. Now, I told you last night that an analysis of their version of the six PM News, which that guy on the left is the presenter for David Muir is his name or Democrat Dave as my dear friend was saying today. Well, they had the opportunity to decide where this debate went. Now again, if you're arguing about the referees rather than talking about the game, you can say that you're trying to change the subject.
But the point is that this was as anti Trump a scenario for him to be in and rather than me explain my rage, our dear friend Meghan Kelly, this was her immediate take. This is why I love this lady and I'm so honored to have her honor show each and every week when she is here. Because this was her instant analysis. She didn't have to wait five hours, six hours the next day to come up with it. She nailed one of the fundamental problems with what we all watched in the middle of the day today.
I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm ashamed of those moderators at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC News is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris. Is response for Kamala Harris and her husband meeting, and they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight. It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are entirely on your side.
Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent, and Trump tried to take them all on. He did fine, He did as best as he could he was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry, and so was I.
Megan was absolutely spectacular in real time. I love her intellect, I love her passion in a presentation style. I think he's based of anyone in front of a camera anywhere, bay it on television, online, or anywhere else. She is phenomenal. I love having her on the show. As for Donald Trump, well, he has responded this morning on Fox News.
It was three to one. It was a rigged deal, as I assumed it would be, because when you looked at the fact that they were correcting everything and not correcting with her, and we knew it when it was one hundred percent good coverage for her over the last month or last year. I looked at it and only bad coverage of me. No matter what. The press is so dishonest in this country. It's amazing.
We'll talk about it with our guests, We'll talk about it with analysts from the United States. As the news moves on from what happened last night, it's nine to eleven over there, so it'll be a different type of news day. But I'll have plenty more in a couple of moments, the deep dive that I promise you have not seen anywhere else. So you may have heard lots of other people's takes, this is the one that I hope that you sit with us, because there's plenty more
in the show tonight. But let's talk about our own country first and foremost. The disgrace that was the protests in Melbourne today. The behavior of those people is absolutely disgusting. Now, you can have your views about war, you have your views about specific wars, but when you intentionally turn up wanting to punch on and hurl everything from excrement to acid at the police, you lose the average Australian. You would hope that you even lose the center left Australians
who often give this nonsense cover. Today they turned on any and anyone they could. They laid into journalists, they laid into the people holding the cameras, and of course they confronted the police only to create mayhem.
Is done that calling for an antise military weapons, that's where that is happening today for just being yeah, and we might just they're moving and police are obviously trying to keep ahead of them, ahead of ahead of their next move.
You can see it here you go.
They're quite literally throwing things at the police as they're trying to do their job.
Honestly, Now, as always, police have to be incredibly patient when people are screaming in their face. Now, this is not about free speech and your right to protest. You have the right to protest, to protest passionately, but as soon as it starts to become an active clash, then I'm sorry, all bets are off. But we know there's a limit to how police can respond. But I just wanted to show you again some of how the police worked. And they did it from very early in the morning
till after lunchtime. I thought they were very good. Now, at times, Victoria police can go too far. We all saw that during COVID. There is no way they went too far today. But of course the protest is to make sure this goes on and on and on claim they were the victims despite the fact I repeat, they threw everything from horsepoo to acid at police.
Today, police under anti terrorism laws have had increased powers, which means they are using robber bullets, they're using Stunn grenades. We are seeing the use of excessive force and weapons to control crowds, which have been very clear from the beginning.
That we are peaceful.
You're not. You're not. You See what I never understand about these people is that if the cause is so important, then you would want to police your own crowd as soon as something starts to get out of control, and you'd tell those people to bugger off because they are not helping your cause. But instead they try to play that lefty mind trick. This is a peaceful protest. It's not peaceful when you're hurling stones at cops. It's not
peaceful when you're hurling acid at police officers. For his part, the Chief Commissioner responded today about the allegations that they went too far, which of course were nonsense. He praised his own officers right down to every man, woman and horse. That's rubbish.
We have conducted ourselves appropriately. We have conducted ourselves properly. I couldn't be prouder of the officers down there, and to see the way they used restraint when confronted by people intent on provoking violence and using violence.
Now, let's talk about how we got here and why this protest took place. Today, there was a weapons conference which was at the Convention Center in Melbourne, that is in the heart of Melbourne. That makes it a pretty difficult area to turn around and police. Now, I understand the importance of the industry. I understand the size of the industry, and I understand Australia's role in the defense material industry. But why was this held in the middle
of the city. Why wasn't this held either on the side of an airfield or the side of some sort of a base somewhere. We'll talk about that with our panel in a couple of minutes time, about whether where this was the right thing, not because they don't have a right to see the best parts of a fantastic city like Melbourne, but because it would make it harder for this bunch of looms to carry out and do what they did. But let's also roll back and look at some of the people who you assume these people
actually vote for. Because the only significant political party in Australia that was calling out this defense exhibition is something that shouldn't be happening. Well, unsurprisingly it was the Greens. The Greens must go last if it means that the Liberal Party gets Labor MPs elected or it means that the Labor Party gets Liberals elected. Yes, that's what should happen.
But these people should be wiped from the political map because they give cover and legitimacy to the nonsense that we saw today in Melbourne.
Imagine making a profit every time something you'll company builds below as a human being into pieces. This is the horror of the global arms industry, and that industry is holding a gathering next week here in Australia and people are coming together in response. People are gathering for demonstrations and actions to call out this horrific industry and to condemn our government.
Now let's see what happens tomorrow. You can still be absolutely passionate about what is happening on the other side of the world. But will any of these people turn around and say they went too far? No, it'll be the police went too far. When you and I both know the police don't start this stuff. Sadly they end up having to end it because of the way these
people start this stuff. Unbelievable. Now let's talk again. While people were distracted by the news that was either happening on the streets of Melbourne today or happening over in the United States. There was a lot of other news around today and I want to get to some of it before I start again talking about that in later
debate and discussion. And it becomes yet another example of what we have always known that when you import too many people to the country in order to fill in the Ponzi scheme the population creates for the federal government, you cause trouble in almost every suburb and certainly every city in the country. What am I talking about, No, not people who look different, sound different, or come from somewhere else. Literally, there are not enough homes in Australia
for the people who are currently in Australia. We all know that for people who want to buy a house, and you definitely know it if you're renting one right now. In fact, we got this data today and world under real estate dot Com. That are you for pointing it out about real estate vacancies? Now, this is frightening about how few places there are available for rent in all
of the country. The nation's rental vacancy rate was one point three nine percent, So of all of the housing stock, what was available for rent one point three nine percent. That's across the whole country. The whole joint conditions a remaining extremely challenging for renters. Let me show you what this is like. Maybe in your city or part of
the country. Just one point six percent of all potentially available properties are available for rent right now in Sydney, basically the same in Melbourne, fewer in Brisbane and less than one percent right now in Hobart and Darwin. These are huge once you start to look at the regional numbers. There are fewer houses available for rent in Regional New South Wales than there are in Sydney Regional Victoria, than there are in Melbourne Regional Queensland than there are in Brisbane.
This is a huge problem for our country. Now. The first and most important thing that you can do to make sure that those rental lines become shorter is to stop the number of people that are coming in. To certainly lower the number of people that are coming in, because we need to make sure that there are enough homes of all different shapes and sizes being built. But obviously that doesn't happen overnight. But what does happen overnight is that the four fifth of bugger all places that
there are to rent. The line gets longer because each year, we bring in hundreds of thousands of extra people to the country. Now again they'll say you have to do it because of the skill shortage. Well, in part that's because generations of kids have been told you've got to go off to university get your BA rather than go
to tafe and get a trade. And there's also scenarios here where you've got governments turning around and shutting down projects like the gold mine in Blaming in New South Wales that would create jobs, would create a reason for people to move away from the cities and create even more import for people to be building properties in those regional areas. This was huge news today and I get that the numbers sometimes can sort of fog over for us,
but think about it. Every house, every unit, every townhouse, every studio, every granny flat in the country, what is available for rent right now one and a bit percent less than one percent in places like Hobart and Darwin. Now, also regarding the rental situation, the people who are in rental homes where we're finding a lot of people are being pushed out of them because of the interest rates that mean to pay off a home is now twelve times higher under this government than it was under the
previous government. That's the number of interest rates under Albow and Charmers, and that of course means people are being booted out so they can push up the rent, meaning the people who are paying the rent are paying more than they can probably afford. So renters with un secured debt meaning they don't own anything. Okay, they might have things like credit cards or personal loans or hex's dead, but they don't, say, own a car that somebody can
take off them. They definitely don't own a house or shares or something that a lending institution can take off them. Have been slogged with above inflation price hikes in the past few years amid the supply constraints and surging population. Again, this is another report on what we've been talking about week in, week out, month in, month out, because it matters, and they now make up nine in ten of personal insolvencies in Australia despite making up just twenty one percent
of the population. So twenty one percent of the population are people who rent but don't own anything. Therefore they have unsecured debt because the debt becomes too much and they basically have to rule themselves bankrupt. Nine out of ten people who end up in that scenario are renters. The bloke who put the data together says that the government agency was bracing for fourteen eight hundred and fifty personal insolvencies, remember nine to ten of them being renters
this year. That's up twenty five percent since last year. So these are the realities. These are the victims of the Albanezi and Charmers economy. These are also the people that, yes, are being affected by paying off a home being twelve times harder than it was under the previous government. Of course yes, that goes back through the RBA, but it all goes back to the government all the polls have told us, because it's true government responsibility in all of
these areas. And those people that are lucky enough to have a job, regardless of whether they are paying off a house with it still living with mum and dad, living with mates, or in rental accommodation. Now, while there has not been a huge explosion in the number of people that have lost their jobs, there has been a very significant increase or should I say decree in the
amount of hours that people are working. So remember, technically, to have a job in the country that we've got this nonsense where what one hour of work a week equals a job? Well, of course under employment that's the best part of what's six and a bit percent in the country, almost double the unemployment rate. Again the Reserve Bank with more data on that. We'll discuss that with Robin Bishop and Stephen Connery in a moment or two's time.
And if you just want to double check how normal you are when it comes to the types of debts that you're trying to pay off now. Of course, remember we're going all the way from an eighteen year old either just out of school or starting off in UNI or tafe, all the way through to people of a certain age. So the averages are worth having a look at. Here. The reality for many people, certainly in that middle group of about let's say your late twenties to your late fifties,
it's going to be higher than this. But have a look the average loans that we are trying to pay off. The average brand new home loan being written in Australia now is for six hundred and forty one thousand dollars. The average credit card debt that people have is about three thousand dollars. People taking out personal loans is twenty
two and a half thousand dollars. Now, yes, you take them out for a whole collection of different reasons, but we know there are people that are taking out personal loans to, among other things, payoff debt like credit cards, or have enough money to be able to keep food on the table. The average hex debt is about twenty six thousand dollars and the people who do that buy now, pay later thing with massive interest rates. If you miss
the payments, it's about nine hundred bucks. So yet another devastating insight into the reality of the economy under this government. Make no mistake, it is their responsibility. It is their fault. Thank you to a lot of people who reacted to what I showed you last night, which was why I have my views that social media for teenagers and definitely young people is as dangerous as drugs or smoking or drinking adults. You make whatever choices you want with it,
but kids should be nowhere near this stuff. There has been an exponential rise in mental health issue since the introduction of the smartphone, and coupled with that the explosion of social media, the dependence on it in many ways, it works like a casino about dopamine. And again, if you'd like to see a great documentary about all of this, go on to Netflix and to be able to go and have a look at what's called the social dilemma. It talks a lot about how big tech companies work
when it comes to our data. Where remember, if anything's free on the Internet, you I are the product, as well as a great insight into those dangers of social media. But again back to that idea, if it's free on the Internet, you and I are the product. Facebook Australians have been on this thing for well fifteen years at this point in time. Now certainly we're there with a Facebook page. It's a great way of getting information out
to people. But be ful about what you have posted or have left posted on your Facebook page, because we learn today that the parent company of Facebook, Meta, which is now putting together its own AI system. That's that little circle that rolls around inside say your WhatsApp or your Instagram or your Facebook where you're able to with your mates asker to draw funny pictures, which is most people's use for it at the moment. Well, guess how
the pictures that come back, are trained. They are trained to look like real things, because every single image you have ever posted to Facebook since it's started is being what's called scraped, otherwise known as used by Facebook to build this system. So while you think that it's an electronic notice board or bulletin board or a message between
you and your family, yes that's true. But the reason it's free is because every photo that you post, they are able to collect worldwide, and they are able to use that to feed into this new artificial intelligence. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's not me making it up. It's their own admission. Today, when the Senate was pushing on this very issue, you will first see a Greens senator who is right on this issue nothing else but on this issue, is good and a representative of Facebook.
The truth of the matter is that unless you consciously had set those posts to private since two thousand and seven, Meta has just decided you will scrape all of the photos and all of the text from every public post on Instagram or Facebook that Australians have sheared since two thousand and seven, unless there was a conscious decision to set them on private. That that's actually the reality isn't it correct?
Thanks for the answer to that that is correct, and center shoe Bridge is rightly raise that point.
Now you may have always had this feeling, Now it is confirmed. So what can you do if you've already posted things in the past. It is the world of too late. But what you can do is get a tech savvy friend to come around and work out how you can actually, with a couple of clicks, save every photo that you've ever posted on Facebook, and then you can slowly delete all of the photos from ten fifteen years ago if you'd like to get them offline. Also,
you can set things to private. Always go through every couple of months. Have a look at those privacy settings because they magically change them, and they send you one of those fourteen thousand word things that we all just flick through and press okay. Because the flick through and okay means your photos are their photos, okay. And if you don't want them to be their photos, don't post them. But if you do, do it on private all right.
Make sure that we're I get a text expert on in the next couple of days to walk you through that process to save your images and then take them away. From Zuckerberg in the rest of them's hands. All right, let's go the deep dive now about Harris and Trump and the debate today. Now, for what it's worth, my take is that what was needed out of this debate because the polls told us that about thirty percent of
voters said they needed to learn more about Kamala Harris. Now, did she absolutely take on Donald Trump and make the case against Donald Trump? Yeah, of course. All right, that's why all the lefties love it and say she won, she won, she won, because they want this to be not a referendum on the past four years, where she was the cope islot of the plane that's been flying too close to the mountain, if not crashing into it.
So that's why they're saying she won. She won, But she was pretty bad on being able to say what
her four years would look like. She tried to make it look like Donald Trump was still the president and she was the challenger to the sitting president when he, of course, is the challenger to the sitting vice president, the vice president, who, by the way, on her own campaign side, has basically literally clicked and dragged a lot of the Joe Biden policies and claims that she is not walking away from most of the Joe Biden policies.
So if you like what Joe Biden did, she's the choice if you want to change it, because you know it's the wrong way the country's gone. Well, you know what happens in a couple of months, and Trump's the only way to make that change. But let's have a look at the reaction. First, lefties with glee about what they thought was an incredible performance of Queen Kamala, where she wasn't just the empty pants ait anymore, she was the second Obama. She spanked that ass.
Most importantly, he looked pissed, and there's nothing worse.
Than a piste bigot on the stage.
With a woman he can't control.
Donald Trump got destroyed in this debate because.
He can't control his mind.
They very well be the best televised debate performance ever.
Didn't think I was ever going to witness a debate as devastating as the one that you and Dana moderated back in June, where Joe Biden basically tanked his reelection campaign. I think tonight was just as devastating.
Place settled in Chris, I now you're going for the hot tight that everyone around the world says, and we're applying into that bit place. If anyone thinks that this was as bad for Trump as it was for Boden, handing you gun in your bed, you don't know what you're talking about. As for the rot this was their response.
Is nothing fundamentally changed here.
The people of America still don't know Kamala Harris.
Donald Trump has not done his job in making sure that the people of America actually know anything about her positions.
Was Donald Trump perfect?
No?
Was Kamala Harris phony? Yes? Did this debate change anything? I don't know.
President Trump really brought voice to the American people who are concerned about crime on their streets, who are concerned about illegal and millions ofvily oliverents a crossing the border.
The avid and buyers are the moderators who are fact checking constantly. Kind of triviality as way President A. Trump, but didn't as far as eyes in fact check face President Harris single timing.
Yeah, little side note, free advice to Trump world. The only people who should be speaking publicly on your behalf is Toulci Gabbard because she hits Harris Hard is RFK because you need all of his voters. And is Tom Cotton because every time that senator turns up on a Sunday show, the reporter is left in a puddle. Regardless of what questions they asked, he wax and he whacks back very cleverly, smartly and with that lovely Southern drill.
As for the fun that I had today, I had fun because I got to hang out with my mate. I love reader. You know how much I love the Persian Princess. We'll read a Panahy and I get together whenever there's big news events and we sit down and we watch them together. We try to have a bit of fun along the way. And here's part of the fun we had along the way.
Thank you President. She exclamation point when we know that she was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of COVID.
So she's going to like China for COVID.
When Trump is doing that, they called him racist that campaign.
Stop Asian hat. Look at this now we wear a Maga hat.
Next.
This is not good. This is she's been over advised years ago, and four years ago is out the window. She's going to my philosophy.
Now, in fact, I was going to send her a mega hat.
She's going to my philosophy. So what about that? From her, from her lips to the Donald's ears that fast. That is the special connection that she has. Of course, you can watch You're Reaching every night eleven o'clock here on Sky News. You can see all of her highlights on air, and our conversation having fun about the debate is up at Sky newt Com dot Au or on our YouTube channel. But I got to show you just one more bit of fun.
Couples who pray and and and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatment.
This is another lie.
This is another lie. Free he wants.
More IVF because he wants more babies.
I have been a leader on fertilization, IVF and the other thing that's going.
To become a line.
I've been a leader in fertilization.
Many women, many women. I've been the best.
That's quite a good line for a sort of a Tinder profile leader.
I'm a leader in fertilization.
Just ask me.
She's the best every time. I love hanging out with her in the real world and on camera as well. She's just the best. I love reader very much. It's all up at sky Newes dot com. Do I you or it's on our YouTube channel right now. Please don't just watch it, like it, share it, push it out as far as you can amongst all of your friends. That will fun to say. But finally, the one group of people you probably haven't heard of all night or any indication of where they are, the actual voters. There
were some voters in Pennsylvania, voters in Arizona, boat Swing states. Yes, a very random selection, but here's their reactions to what they saw.
Trump lostin Harris opened the door, and I would like to see more. I think a lot of people would like to see more.
Well.
I felt like they were parents trying to control little kids fighting.
Because at some point in debate, both of the competitors kept going trying to top off each other.
What was to the point that the motors had to cut that down?
But they couldn't.
And I think Trump's demeanor was fairly good, fairly good for this format and for how he might go off the handle. I think he held it together and even with his facials.
She really deflected on immigration and didn't take responsibility or Bin's responsibility for letting people in.
Illegally sensational stuff. A lot of content we had to wade through today, a lot of fun we had today. A massive thanks to my team who worked even harder than they normally do to get their head and hands around it. And I really appreciate it because I'm telling you, this is the show that doesn't just follow the data but shows you all the clips. That's hard to do, but we love doing it for you each and every night. So thanks for watching debate Stephen Conroy, Bromwin, Bishop and
then analyse Nielsen in the United States. Lots of stuff about Australia first and then back to the States. All right, you've had a lot from me. Let's get into these two. None of them the wonderful bromber Bish carry out a chap on Wednesday night, and he's here, just here to help former Labor Minister, football fan Pious Tragic and our dear friend none other than Steven Conroy. All right, let's
do it quickly before we get too distracted. Bromwin, your thoughts on today and what people saw or didn't see in that debate today?
Well A, the expectations were very low, so she really only had to stand there and not cackle and look, where's me competent and she'd be right now. Last night I said the stories were already written that she was going to win today. But she did present herself in a cogent sort of way. He would have satisfied his own base and her base would have been delighted. Does it move the needle? Don't know.
Yeah, I don't think so, because I mean, firstly, we literally saw somebody fall out of the race after the last one and again left his love it because of all of the January sixthness and all the rest of it. Look, did she do well? Absolutely, absolutely all right, But don't expect sort of five point bounce in the next week or so.
Steven thoughts, Look, I'm about to shock your all of your viewers by saying I agree largely with Bromin's analysis.
Shut down, We're done, shut it, were finished breaking news. But Conroy Bishop Unity tickets correct.
So but I think but I think Bromin was fundamentally correct. I think you would score it that she probably narrowly won. But to anybody who thinks that there was a knockout blow, let me explain to what a knockout blow looks like Joe Biden at the last debate. That's the definition of a knockout blow. Donald Trump is still in the race, in case anyone's wondering, and he's very, very competitive in this race. I think the buy the Harris camp will be pleased. I think it give them confidence that they
can keep their momentum going. I think the concern over the last week or so is the mentum was just petering out. I think there was enough in this debate for the Harris camp to go, right, We're through this.
Let's let's keep.
Powering on with confidence. But let's also not forget that Hillary Clinton clearly won three debates against Donald Trump in twenty sixteen and.
Lost the election.
Ye.
Correct, So to the Harris camp, it was it was a good step, but it was in no way a defining moment of this campaign.
Correct. He's been now in seven presidential debates, he's won one, and that of course was the Biden one. All right, let's talk here about the disgrace that was playing out on the streets today. Brom, How do we, for one of a bitter term, put the source back in the bottle here? Because there are these people amongst us who you know, you can protest all you want. Free speech
means you can say whatever you want. But when you start hurling acid and you know, horse droppings at the cops, and the cops are the ones who have to hold back, We're in a weird spot.
Until such time as the Albanese government says that this support for Hamas and the Palestinian movement, which are won on the same thing, is not to be tolerated in this country, it will continue. The pattern was started when there was no action taken at the Sydney Opera House, when that most disgraceful right occurred before Israel had done anything. Yes, so it was all pre planned and this is a net result. It's like it's almost like the equivalent of
the riots that occurred in the United States. It just got worse and worse because there was no clamp down.
Yeah, the BLM, which is worse, worse and worse, and of course Harris was trying to bail people out of jail. Stephen again, Melbourne, You've had plenty of protests, but when they get wild again, I don't envy the police, but how do we pull this back a little here? Because we know what they want, which is confrontation and cameras to turn up, including you know, I noticed some bloke was wearing a QR code right to get the message out today. Cameras should have been turned away from that
bloke as opposed to giving him the platform. But your thoughts.
Look, first, you know, just a week or two ago we had a fifteen thousand strong rally in support of the CFMEU. There was no violence, yep, okay, So it is possible to hold rallies about issues that people are passionate without resorting to the sort of disgraceful, disgusting violent behavior and the abuse you know, physically and in every other sense, and you've described it of the police. It's
just not acceptable. But the only good news I took out of today was people were predicting twenty thousand and twenty five thousand turn up, So best case, I think they're about twenty thousand short of the twenty five I think, so I think the focus the focus, Yeah, it's Look, it is hard to say this to the media because they want to cover this and show this, but this
has been blown out of serious proportion. We've got a lot of very ugly scenes shown on camera, and the media should cover those, but they should also point out what a disappointing turn up it was given the forecasts of the claims of the number of people that were going to turn up. So I think keeping that in proportion, what got out of proportion was the violence, the ugly attacks on the place. Melbourne has many, many peaceful demonstrations
on passionate issues. Yeah, this is not acceptable. It's disgraceful and I hope the police are able to identify some of the worst culprits and put them in jail.
All right, enough of this agreeing. Let's get into a slight disagreement here, and it is what's playing out in the Senate right now, which is because the government can't get a deal with the opposition, they are now of course turning to the Greens and then it'll be Poke I go and Lamb and Thorpe and all the rest of it. On two pretty big things, right, one which is this fiddle around of the Reserve Bank and then secondly the establishment of a branding Environmental Protection Agency. Let's
deal with the questions in and around the RBA. First, the Greens leader.
Have the power and it's therefore a reason. It's there because in emergencies and in crises, and we're saying that people are at breaking point and are in a crisis now, in the middle of a cost of living, an inequality crisis. Labors saying they want to take their hands off the steering wheel even more, and we're saying, no, that's not the answer.
And Daniel Pliber sick about the negotiations with the Greens around the EPA and a climate switch that would be built into things.
I've got to be clear, we are in intense negotiations right across the Parliament. I'm not going to pretend to you that there's you know, there's no discussion of climate considerations as part of this negotiation. I can't can't pretend that.
So let's step back a little bit. Let's take the thirty thousand foot view of this. Bromman. The Liberal Party obviously thinks we're not going to help you stuff things up, so you have to stuff them up with the Greens, the Teals and others, because then we can go to an election and say vote for us, and all of
this goes away. But of course, potential changes of the Senate, let alone, the fold over of half Senate means the chance of there being a center right majority after the next election in the Senate probably unlikely, meaning you'd be stuck with this stuff and you'd have to say, well, look,
we tried to change it, but we can't. So what do you think the strategy is here and do you have to negotiate in order to make it better for when you eventually take over or you're just trying to throw as many bricks in the backpack of the government.
Look, you've got to understand what's really going on here. Albernizey's leadership is toast. He is so bad that you've got people counting numbers now. Charmers and Burke been out there putting their case forward for a long long time. Plibosek thinks she's in the mix. Now, if you're going to be in the mix, what do you do. You've got to be hard and strong, you've got to be different. So stop the mind say we're going to put it in the climate trigger if you don't give.
It to us.
This is all about positioning. So that's the Labor Party position. From the Liberal Party's point of view, they've got legitimate reasons to say no to what's being proposed. I'll say now, I do believe that Dutton has got the ability to form a government, and I do think that Victoria down your part of the well Stephen, is going to be very bad for the Labor Party really, and the anger against the Labor Party down there is so great that the Liberal Party that the federal election is going to
become before the state election. And I think a couple of others have pointed out that the last time this sort of happened was when Andrew Peacock won nine seats in the nineteen ninety election, which occurred before Jeffrey Kennett. Now, the reason I remember that so well is I was very much in that election with Andrew Peacock and New Southwelles fail to win a seat, and that was for all sorts of other reasons which I won't go into tonight.
Yeah, but what's fascinating about what you're saying there is there's some polling out today that yet again shows the Allen gouvernment going backwards and with a massive number of undecideds. But potentially what that Presuido bloke may will end up being the preferred premier, which.
Is, oh, you've got John kerna Mark two.
Well correct, all right, Steven lots there. But to the tactics around all of this, right, you obviously want to get an achievement through. You have to find the numbers to get it through. But don't the Greens make everything worse when you're going into a tight election, let alone what happens in three years from now.
Look, I mean there's absolutely a clear and present danger to Labor if they were to form any sort of ongoing relationship with the Greens. And I know Bromwin will start interjecting any second, but if we could just put that aside. So the sort of mistake that we made in twenty ten was to sign a formal document with Bob Brown. That was a mistake and we paid a heavy price for that. So I don't think there's any danger that Labor would form any so sort of overarching
relationship the Senate. No party has. I think Howard had it for a few years, phrase at it for a few years. But apart from that, it's always a negotiation to try and get legislation passed, and sometimes you have to accept amendments you might agree with. Now, I don't agree with the Greens on much as both of you would understand. On the Reserve Bank Board issue, I could live comfortably with keeping that reserve power. I don't think
it's been exercised. I don't think it means anything in substance. I think that's why Jim Chalmers said, look, it doesn't really matter. But if we were to say no, let's keep it. It's been there under both labor and liberal governments before. So if that was the cost to fix the Reserve Bank Board's stupidity, then then well.
One that was on and.
Not not leaving the current people who are setting the interest.
When the board has been the board has been stacked by the Liberal Party for ten years. A bunch of Liberal Party flunkies are there. So please don't go, oh my god.
You're attack on the results.
I think you do it every night.
So I'm happy to do it again. I've got a whole list of things there.
That I want to sign. One you got thirty seconds.
On the Reserve Bank. That on the Reserve Bank Board, that is that is actually out come I think is reasonable. So I don't think the Green's position is outrageous on that one. On the climate trigger, well, I think there's a lot of dangers change the party would the Party would would struggle, and the Liberals if they were to allow this to be the price, the Liberals would pay
the price for this down the track as well. So they've got to make a tough choice whether they want to live with something that is bad for the country in the future or the prepared to negotiate.
Yeah, don't give Well, that's the thing you got to view it about that teal section of things, let alone obviously the National Party. We're sadly at a time. I know you're ready to go. You've got plenty more of I've got analyst standing by in DC.
I've got a list here, I've got a whole list.
I have no doubt. All Right, thank you guys, love you both. We'll see you again next.
I was just going to tell you they can move another disallowance motion against the mine.
Oh yes, of course they should do it. Do it as soon as you're possible. Thank you. See some free advice appreciated. Analysee Nielson live from the United States the morning after the big debate. Do you know how hard it's been for me not to call Analyse Nielsen for the past twelve hours or so, because I wanted to talk to her about the debate. We texted a little bit, but I thought, no, let's have the conversation on the TV. She is, of course in the United States right now
where the sun is coming up. Analyse over to you. I think that the biggest challenge that she had was to reach out to people and look presidential. I don't know that she did that. I think she certainly whacked Trump enough. So if you're a Trump hater, it was the greatest night of all time. But guess what, She's already got those people your thoughts.
Absolutely, And look, we were at a very Democrat heavy event and so for those voters, they were excited to see Carmla's performance. But I don't think it's necessarily moved the dial. What it's done is given her enough ammunition to fight the next two months. And it's not a gift to say that this is a very unprecedented election, the fact she just took over the ticket.
But there were a lot of issues.
With how the debate was run, and I think that's another thing that we need to take into consideration with this. I think that the Trump supporters are going to be extremely angry.
We're going to try and get out and talk to some of them today.
But the fact that the moderators were waiting in to the discussion was very different to how CNN ran it, and I think that did change it. And the other thing I can tell your view is we get access to the White House pool reports, and they did allow White House Press pool reporters in the room.
This time.
There was back and forth between the two candidates off mike, and I think musing the mic gave viewers at home a completely different perspective to what was happening on stage, and not necessarily for the better.
Okay, so could you give me an idea there about what are we hearing. Are we hearing that she got a couple of jabs in that we didn't see, or that he pushed back. What's the general tone, because again we sort of we obviously didn't see who was winning those, But give us an idea. That's fascinating.
Well, look, it sounded like she I'm sorry that the car exaust coming over the screen.
If you're wondering what that smoke is, that's all right. What we saw was her getting.
Some jabs in promise something, not smoking you. What we saw we saw her getting jabs in and Donald Trump was really defensive, and I think that's where he seemed to fall down in this.
He let her get under.
His skin, and he was on the defense for so much of the debate, and so he got that pushback, that one moment where he said, I'm speaking HARKing back to her debate against Mike Pence in twenty twenty. That was kind of her iconic line that her supporters loved. But I think that's going to be the thing that really defined how this debate ran. I don't think anyone's minds would have been changed.
By last night.
There was no fatal blow they both got in their talking points. I mean the fact that she was asked to rule out abortions at six seven, eight months and couldn't say that. When she was asked about has the economy been better in these four years than it was four years ago, and she couldn't answer that either. This is why there isn't anything in this that was a death blow. But it certainly gave her the opportunity to fight another few months.
Now, you know, you to swap just for a week. You're in of course Pennsylvania. She's there in the heart of Philly. That's the super blue bit. But as you say, you're going to hop in the car check out lots of different places. I know you've been to Erie Pennsylvania. Like if I could sit and plunk a show anywhere for a month and it'd be Eerie Pennsylvania, because that is the swingy bit of the swingy state. Right. So yeah, again, the perceptions of the debate will be fascinating to see
in the next little while. Every pole says that it's absolutely line ball all the rest of it. Even the insiders have no idea what's going to happen in that state and who wins there, wins.
Everywhere absolutely, And look, we came here after they announced the campaign for Karmala Harris and Tim Wallas is a joint ticket, and there was huge enthusiasm for Kamala Harris. People felt relieved that Joe Biden had dropped out. They felt like they had been given a second chance this
time around. We're not seeing that across the board. It does seem like the dust has settled on that the enthusiasms waned, and people are staring down this election really wondering how how it's going to go there's not a huge sense that there's leaning either way.
And this is one of the things why we.
Come out and talk to voters, because the polls aren't always right, but you can get a great sense on the ground. The sense we're getting is this is still extremely tight and all that polling is coming in well within the margin of era. There's no way that this is not a race that Donald Trump can win.
Right now.
He's absolutely still fighting chance. And I think there could be another debate now after how last night went, especially now that Fox News has reached out.
That would be a real test for.
Kamala Harris if she could survive in that kind of environment where the moderators aren't facilitating with that kind of the pushback really went Donald Trump's way.
Good stuff, moerators.
And alas morning, noon night. Thank you no matter where you are, you're always so avitable to everyone here. You're the best. We love you, Dunalan and we'll see this very soon. There she is in Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. Oh, she's got a great gig and she does an amazing job at it. That's our show to night, said tomorrow. Megan Kelly's on the sho shot