From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, Happy Tuesday night.
Lots to get to, including a major update for those of you that I know are hanging on every word about how much you're going to have to pay when it comes to aged care, especially if you want to stay in home for as long as possible. Peter Dutton says he has a new tactic of how to hold the Albaneza government both to account and then maybe put.
It on its knees of the next election.
And the great Nigel Ferra talking about his friend Donald Trump and that debate.
We'll talk about all that in the moment or two time.
As you know today the farmers were at the front of Federal Parliament and the teals inside the Parliament proved themselves to be the snobs that we all know that they are. There were an awful lot of trucks that turned up and an awful lot of farmers that ended up turning up.
You know how fired up they were.
And I thought, rather than showing you a politician, let's show you David Conley. He's from the Northern Territory Cattleman's Association.
Our Daily Lives the business of farming has now been influenced so negatively by government that we are forced to gather and try to force the wall from the eyes of those in a position to do better. And to be honest, I'm pretty cranky about it that I have to be here at all, that a complete lack of respect and empathy from our own elected government has resulted in this for all of us.
Now, all of this, of course part of the keep the Sheet movement. Thank you to everyone who signed the petition. We got very very close to one hundred thousand. I think there's literally a couple of hundred short. If you want to find out how to get there, go via
my Facebook page and it'll link you to it. But let's now go inside the parliament because inevitably, when there are mass demonstrations like this, often representatives of those that have turned up to protest while they end up getting into the public.
Galleries, which is completely okay.
Normal members of the public are allowed to sit and watch Federal Parliament. But apparently somebody flipped the bird to Zali Stegle. Not acceptable, not okay, but jest reactions over the top, isn't it.
Have a look when they decide to leave a gentleman in jeans, black teahant, overweight and bald, flip.
The bird, you see.
You can fat shame blokes, you can body shame men referring to them as being bald and overweight, and that's all completely fine. Into your land because of course they're surplus to needs, just like the people in regional Australia are surplus to needs. Regional Australia is not a place where people work, or bring up their kids or finish out.
The end of their lives.
No, it's just a place where you put solar farms and wind turbines.
You see.
Because the politics of the Teals is not in my backyard. They're not suggesting that there be any change to their doggie parks, but no, no, your farmlands must change. Well understandably, the party that represents many of the people who are promising to try to change the government at the next election, well they stood up in Parliament today and push against Yes. If anyone had spoken like that about a bloke, we know what would happen.
So thankfully somebody said it about a bloke.
I thought that that was disgraceful, that body shaming remark by the men of floringa the pejorative description of a member of our public galleries and it should be withdrawn immediately.
Yeah. Absolutely, As I say, if it was said about a woman, we know what the reaction will be.
It's said about a bloke. Oh whatever, surplus to needs? Well, what about Zali Stegel the full passive aggressive.
Teel play me.
You may see this in your workplace, may see this in some members of your family, but we'll see it too often in federal politics here, which is that when somebody was also sanctimonious but gets called out for not applying their own standards to someone, she pretends that it's because they need to identify someone before they flee the country for as they say, not doing the right thing.
Not okay to flip the bird inside the parliament, but the idea that she needed to give a description as if she were speaking to the police about somebody who'd stolen it. Have a look at this for passive aggressive. I do take offense to the threat that was made to me of by the Leader of the Nationals that I should be careful.
That is not the appropriate conduct in this chamber. Does the member wish to withdraw that descriptor.
No, because I would like the video put it.
To be identified.
Seriously, honestly, there's another way could have been said, which is the bloke who's on the first row, second from the left, red T shirt. There are other ways you can describe people. Oh no, she has to be absolutely specific here and then pretend that she's the victim when she's the one who's throwing around the insults in the parliament. Is this the biggest story in the country. No, But it's just an example of this passive aggressive way that certain people behave in Australian politics.
And when you.
Catch them out, oh, they're the victim, not the people who they are wronging. Now, let's compare the specificity of what Zali Steggles said in the parliament today in order to track down a person who showed her the middle finger versus the international manhunt. Now for the person who police believe is responsible for pouring the boiling liquid onto little baby Luca.
Now you can see what he looks like.
But this is how police are very vague in their descriptions, and this is somebody wanted for a actual crime.
The rest warrant for a thirty three year old male foreign national for the offense of ax intending to cause grievous, boldly harm.
That could be millions of people.
But oh, we couldn't possibly offend by singling out but she can say the bald fat bloke up there. As for the actual issue, again, questions back and forth in the Parliament today. We want to follow this thing through because this is going to be a major issue. How much of the media didn't talk about it today. You'd have to send out a search party to find stories on most of.
The news websites.
Of course, when it's one one person on a climate change protest burning a pram from all the cameras are there. When it's farmers taking a few days off from work meaning they will lose money this week. To make a point about an industry being shut down for purely ideological reasons and green and teal preferences, I do nothing to see here. But here again was the questions inside the Parliament in.
The gallery today. Are farmers whose livelihoods depend on the live sheep export industry If the government continues with its ban on live sheep exports, Sedan is one country that will take up Australia's share of this market. Prime Minister who has higher animal welfare standards Sedan or Australia.
And will it surprise you that the very government who's put this thing in place, remember.
Whenever they have a bad idea, even if it's hounded down like it was in twenty ten when they turned off the live cataleg sports overnight because they saw something that animal activists were able to get unsurprisingly and uncritically onto four corners. Remember not footage about Australia, but footage
of what was happening in Indiana as well. Of course, they just slowly hibernated for a couple of elections, then shoved it under the door in a supposed climate change election or a supposed change of government election because cost of living was so bad under the last mob and they were going to make it better under this.
Oh that's right.
Well again his response or lack of from the people who are proud of what they're doing.
I pointed out was that when the.
Leader of the National Party came in the government in the first year in twenty fourteen fifteen, two point one million sheep were exported by sea at.
A value of two hundred and twenty four million. In the last year in which they held office, they held office, there were four hundred and seventy five thousand sheep were exported by sea at a value of eighty million dollars.
So if according to that the industry is slowly but surely dying off, why do you have to kill it off? Prime Ministe? But no one wants to follow up those questions. Do the preferences teals and grains? Now, let's get to the age care stuff. This really matters.
Now.
You know that it's a difficult story to talk about on television because there's not an awful lot of dramatic pictures that we can show you apart from generic footage of what happens in age care and strength and love to anyone who's got a family member in there or people that are watching us right now on television from there. But the Age Care Minister, well, she of course is trying to go in a take it or leave it situation to change the amount of money that you will
have to spend on your own care. Now again, we've been following this all the way through the Australian newspapers. Reporting suggests that this will cost you an extra forty thousand dollars if the government got its way, suggesting that some self funded retirees entering nursing homes after July next year will face forty thousand dollars extra of having to pay. Meantime, the role gold standard on much reporting out of Canberra. I'm sure he loves when I say it, but still
I'm an avid reader and follower over his comments. Phil Kourry, Well, he's been following all of this, from the reports last year, to the reports that were buried this year, to the negotiations that have happened all this year, and remember what has he been talking about. He says that the reforms based on the recommendations of the government Shared Task Force include lifting the lifetime contributions cap for residential care from
seventy six to one hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The cap would go all together when it comes to home care. So potentially in this legislation being negotiated is the cap would be added by one hundred and twenty thousand dollars if you go into an agecare facility. But if like half of all people who were involved in the agecare system, where you have the at home or home care version, there'd be no limit.
To what you could be charged.
Well, this was supposed to be done and dusted a couple of weeks ago, and now it looks like it won't be done this week because the Opposition is now turning around and saying that they don't like the deal
that is currently on the table now. Peter Dutton apparently was going to present the deal today and the negotiated deal to a shadow cabinet and then the wider members of the opposition, but they say they don't have enough time to work out whether this is the deal they want to do because accordingly the Opposition has only received a report from government a week ago.
That's five hundred and fifty pages, i e.
The piece of legislation, five hundred and fifty pages, less than a week to work out whether you're back at or not, because we've got to all get I mean, this could have been done months ago, but they hit the report in the lead up with the Dunkley by election. They buggerized around for months and months. So the deadlines are artificial here. They are all of labors making this kind of detail that older Australians and their families deserve to know, means that they are slowing down the process.
And I think anyone on the liberal side who would suggest there should be no cap at all when it comes to what fifty percent of people do comes to the agecare system being taking care of yourself at home or trying to stay in your home for as long as possible, there would be understandable outrage. So I don't know whether that cap is being introduced, isn't being introduced where it's being introduced, presumably it's in that legislation. But until I know, I'm working off the reporting that we
have had to this point. Richard Colbeck, of course, former Agecare Minister, knows about the system, and he says today that some of the people who may well end up being declared quote unquote wealthy in this are people who are on a part pension. The former agecre Minister has erged caution from the Coalition before accepting the Agecare Bill, saying the proposed increases of contributions for quote unquote wealthy
Australians could unfairly hit part pensioners. Senator Colbeck said that while he recognized that some people in age care were being considered as wealthy and are therefore being made to pay more, but what does wealthy mean? The senator continues to say. Since the release of the Agecare Task Force, the repeated mantra from the government has been the wealthy will pay more for age care. The question is what's wealthy? Who are the extra twenty percent that we might be
talking about here. That's the answer to the question, and those are the people who are currently on the part pension. I'm sure those are straining who receive part pensions will be delighted to hear their newly found status as wealthy, because that's what the government is saying about this very situation. Good, great, solid,
important point. Slow it down. Let's all hear what the caps are rather than the do a dirty deal five minutes to midnight before they all bugger off and everyone starts talking about the.
Footy finals this weekend. Slow the process down.
We'll give us more information between now and when everyone buggers off for yet another break from Parliament. Now, the big news today is what we brought you last night.
Children as old as fifteen could be banned from social media. Under a new plan being finalized by the federal government.
Children could be banned from accessing social media. The Prime Minister's pledging to legislate a minimum age by the end of the year.
The government committing to restricting the age of social media use, with legislation to be introduced this year and pass before the next election.
Now, the other big story is the main device that people of all ages access their social media on.
It seems we never go too long without Apple updating its devices, and it's just done it again. Pralia's number one a phone brand, Apple, which commands more than sixty percent of our market, has announced a new generation.
Of products that look like devices straight out of the Jetsons.
Now, let's be straight. I'm an applehead.
I've decided that every in anything in my life should be there, and every couple of years I try to get the latest and greatest. I'm a gadget kid and always had been. But there's a reason I'm mentioning this new iPhone and all of its technical capabilities in the same breath as I am about the social media situation. You see, for the past few days, I've been saying that my genuine view about social media and its exposure to kids, we should view in the same way that
we do say things like alcohol. We don't want our kids to drink until they are eighteen. And if you are one of these people who says, oh you can have a couple before, then of course firstly illegal, but.
Secondly it's all under supervision. Right.
Obviously, no one wants their kids teenager otherwise anywhere near drugs, lit alone smoking. But social media is all pervasive, and I believe is just as destructive as all three of those things for young people. Now, there are many books about this, there are many articles about it, and there
are many experts about it. But I want to show you what I think is must watch, which is a documentary that's on Netflix, which of course you can find here in the wider Foxtel platform, or of course via lots of other ways.
But it's called The Social Dilemma, and.
It's a documentary that I think you'd you played in every single school because it talks about the downsides. How Essentially, in a medical sense, social media works like a casino. You have no sense of time. It's all about dopamine, and too much of dopamine means you start chasing that high, which means you can't get enough, and you end up
obsessively thinking about it. Now again, I'm going to show you three things from this documentary that I hope you can go and find at some point in time when you've got the time.
It's called the Social Dilemma on Netflix.
Social media is a drug. I mean, we have a basic biological imperative to connect with other people that directly affects the release of dopamine and the reward pathway. Millions of years of evolution are behind that system to get us to come together and live in communities, to find needs to propagate our species. So there's no doubt that a vehicle like social media, which optimizes this connection between people is going to have the potential for addiction.
That's the medical side of things. Now.
Again, like other legalized drugs like tobacco or alcohol, we all know that there's a reasonable amount, there's too much, there's excessive, and then there's addictions. Now imagine all of those properties. But now social media. Now, again, the government's making whatever decision it does. But I just want to explain to you about why I feel the passion that
I currently do. Of course, I come at this as the father of young kids who at some point will have to confront this, But I want to show you that in two thousand and nine twenty ten, when smartphones like the brand new iPhone were starting to enter the market. There was not just an explosion of these devices, which were incredible because just the same way you could have your entire music collection in your pocket, you can have all of your emails and the phone and the photos
and the internet. The devices are incredible. But watch what the consequences have been of smartphones and social media in the same place at the same time. They starts from the States, but it's a pretty similar picture here.
There has been a gigantic increase in depression and anxiety for American teenagers, which began right around between twenty eleven and twenty thirteen. The number of teenage girls out of one hundred thousand in this country who are admitted to a hospital every year because they cut themselves or otherwise harmed themselves. That number was pretty stable until around twenty ten twenty eleven, and then it begins going way up.
Now I'm the data guy, so let me show you the data. The documentary is called The Social Dilemma. Watch it yourself, then watch it with your kids.
Girls.
It's up one hundred and eighty nine percent for the preteen girls. That's nearly triple. Even more horrifying, we see the same pattern with suicide. The older teen girls fifteen to nineteen years old, they're up seventy percent compared to the first decade of the century. The preteen girls, who have very low rates to begin with, they are up one hundred and fifty one percent. And that pattern points to social media.
Pretty obvious right now. Again, prohibition doesn't work for anyone, but we have to be smart about.
What this stuff is.
For those of us who were around in a world before this stuff, we all see this, of course, as an add on to our lives. To the kids who have grown up with it, it is part of their lives in the same way for my generation television was certainly for my parents and their parents the introduction of television. They have a different attitude to it than I have had.
But this is the same dilemma now playing out through the phones and why they are addicted to their phones again when used well, these are incredible pieces of technology, but it's not all doom and gloom, because there are
some other options here. That means, if you think that your kid at some point needs a phone to be able to text their friends or to be able to take or make calls to their parents because they might be missing the bars of them, might be going to dance or footy, or all the different reasons why a teenager may need a phone. There are other options. Think about getting a smart watch before you get a smart phone.
Now you can pick.
Whichever brand of these are, but you can make and take a call, you can send and receive a text, but you can't scroll through Instagram or Twitter or TikTok on these things. Then perhaps the better option, though, is a thing called a dumb phone. Now, a dumb phone is an old school phone. Now, ideally they don't have a camera, because there's issues in and around care and cameras. But still these generally have very little if no access
to the internet whatsoever. They can still text their friends, they can still text you, and they can still call you, and just to drive home. My final point here that in the same way that exposure to all sorts of adult things that you wouldn't give a learner driver like a brand new Mustang or Camaro to drive around in, you give them smaller cars with smaller capacities. The same exists for technology, and largely speaking, kids don't have the money to go off and buy this stuff. We buy
it ford them. And I know that there are some issues at schools about kids with smartphones who bully kids with dumb phones, but we can deal with that on another level because we see the consequences when it comes to the exposure of social media and the obsessive use of it with a smartphone. Today, there was a bloke who was a law student and he wrote a piece. He's apparently nineteen years old, and he talked about how
he gave up his smartphone for all week. This is an example, clearly, and I'm not saying this in any derogatory way about mister cash, but clearly this is the way someone would talk about their relationship with alcohol or tobacco. My first day of waking up in a smartphone, as waking up smartphone free, was rocky. I couldn't shake the persistent and desperate urge to reach for my usual phone, which was locked away in the kitchen.
A sense of disconnection set in.
Remember that whole first thing that I showed you about that human condition they play to. That's the dopamine, right. A sense of disconnection set in, accompanied by confusion about what to do with myself, he continues. Come mid morning, I felt rudderless and dull. As my eggs cooked and the shower heated up, my tram made its way along
its route, I was completely nutterly bored. Now again, for some of you who don't own a smartphone, or have never owned a smartphone, or know how to turn them off or put them away, you go, well, there was a world before this, But for this kid, for my kid, for your grandkids, there wasn't a world before this stuff. What's more, I had a vague fear that war might have broken out, and that seven from Instagram's newsfeed. I was the only person in the world who didn't yet
know about it, he says. He lasted three days. But that's how powerful this stuff is. Just like alcohol, just like tobacco, just like drugs, your exposure to it can eventually lead to some form of addiction. And when the addiction kicks in is when the trouble starts. Your mobile phone is an incredible piece of technology, but it is a casino. It is there deliberately with no sense of time and space, with the natural light shut out, and you constantly searching for your next win. The win here
comes in many different forms. But again, forgive me for taking some moments, but I wanted to try to explain my worldview to you and give you some tools if you're a parent or a grandparent dealing with this dumb phone. First, if you're a parent with teenagers that's already in this area, sit down with them and watch The Social Dilemma, one of many excellent documentaries on this subject. There's no other way to get it than other than through Netflix, but
the Social Dilemma. This stuff matters because it's the future of our country. Some good news for you from Queensland tonight, Old Giggles Miles, Well, the voters look like they are ready to wipe that smile off his ridiculous style. Today Poland, which came out via the Resolve organization published in the Brisbane Times, have a look at this. The primary vote for the Labor Party has gone from forty percent of the last election to twenty three percent going into the
next week. The LNP has gone from about thirty seven up to forty four, The Greens, One Nation and all other parties basically where they've been for the past couple of years. But this means if this poll was true there's not just a change of government. A lot of people are going to lose their seats on the labor side.
Good.
Great, even better, Let's have a look at the preferred premier numbers. David Cruci Fooley has taken it up to forty percent. Miles has driven it down to twenty seven percent, in part because of behavior like this. He was in Parliament today in one of the final question times before Parliament finishes up and they make the run towards the
election at the end of October. Questions were being asked about what we told you about last week, which was taxpayer money that was used for an eleven minute flight on a private jet so the Premier could hand out a birthday cake to a colleague and pretend that he was really there to make an announcement about a school fence.
The premier said it was cheaper to fly a private jet than hire a car. If as the premier says it's cheaper to fly cheaper to fly a luxury private jet than hire a car, can the premier explain why more Queenslanders are not hiring luxury private jets to eat cake with a friend?
Unsurprisingly, Miles, well, he had a giggling way through, didn't he.
I visited four different locations over two days and return to Brisbane in time to attend an event alongside the leader of the opposition, So it might make fun politics for the member for Nango to pull out one leg of that trip. I will continue to visit regional Queensland whenever I get the opportunity, because Queensland is a big state.
What do you say about a smartass who isn't very smart? Well, that's right, but I'm trying not to swear. Tomorrow eleven am Easton is when Donald Trump Kamala Harris they will have their debate. You can see it here on Sky News. I'll be here with Laura Jays before it and during it, I will be doing sort of a political googgle box watch along where we'll watch it as if it was
a Grand Final with then none of them. The beautiful read of Panehy highlights on our show tomorrow night, but straight up at sky news dot com do you in the afternoon now. The organization who is hosting it is ABC in the United States, one of their free to wear networks. It is a lefty network, but unlike our lefty ABC, they have ads. It's a commercial network, they're hosting it, and this is what it will look like.
The stakes could not be higher, with a new poll just out tonight showing this race is tied at forty nine forty nine. The candidates will meet face to face for the first time on this stage with no audience in the room, a very intimate setting. They've never met before. It will be Trump's seventh presidential debate. It will be the first presidential debate for Harris.
Now you should know by the way that the network of AB is very, very friendly to the Democrats. In fact, the Media Research Concel in the United States was able to look at the ABC News coverage of that bloke as one of the hosts and his team one hundred percent positive of Kamala Harris, ninety three percent negative of Donald Trump. Unbelievable, right, So, surprise, surprise, this is going to be a home game for the Democrats. But as for the preparation, Sean Spicer, you often see with my
dear friend Andrew Bolt. He's got his own show on YouTube, and he says he's been in touch with Team Trump.
As late as a couple of hours ago.
Trump is ready, one person told me. He probably knows her record as AG and DA better than she does, and I don't doubt it. He's got Matt Gates up there, He's got Tulci Gabbard up there. I really I feel good, and normally I'm nervous.
And going to the theme that either Kamala Harris is an absolute perfectionist or is fright and when she has no safety net. This is how she has been preparing, including a staffer who is dressing and talking like Trump, but even weirder than that rollo type.
She has spent the last several days at a downtown Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio itself will look like tomorrow night. In Philadelphia. We're told there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and there's an ability to go back and watch the tape, review the tape with her team to get a sense of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang it on camera.
Now, when you spend that many days and you're going back and you're looking at it like you're trying to perfect your golf swing, too much is going to end up getting jammed in there. But we'll all see what happens together tomorrow eleven am.
She's so confident that she needs.
To practice the lights, all right, One last look before we get into the debate, which inevitably will push the numbers one direction or the other. According to the betting markets tonight, Trump fifty two percent chance of winning the presidency. Why because he is considered the favorite buy book is in the Swing States and most importantly Pennsylvania. In the prediction markets, which use a lot of data and other factors apart from polls, Trump sixty four percent chance of
winning the presidency. But in the raw polls and nothing else, the current averages in the Swing states, Trump up in Arizona, Harris by a bees in Nevada, Harris by a bit in Wisconsin, Harris by a bit in Michigan, dead level in Pennsylvania, Trump by a bit in North Carolina, Trump by.
A bit in Georgia. If all of that.
Happens, and say Harris won Pennsylvania, Sho'd win the presidency. If Trump won Pennsylvania, he would win the presidency. So it is as lineball as it goes. Eleven o'clock tomorrow, Live here on Sky News till then a much more interesting debate is going to be happening here and nobody.
Was prepping for the lights. We'll get to that in the moment or TUESDA time.
Nigel Farage as well, before we're done, thanks for watching Tuesday night here on pull my ry life. Thank you so much for watching in Cambell right now, Senator Holly Hughes and future Senator if he just.
Keeps them on the right thing, just got to stick to the talking point.
Don't you just jo this debate by playing Candy crush?
So pretty well?
That's how you prepare for everything.
I don't think there's a moment of lighting oh side. The lighting threw me. I thought I knew my own track record, but the lighting just threw me.
It's like, look, obviously with the buttons, I believe in a couple of seconds. But it's like, you can over prepare for something.
Now. I know that there's sort of you know, the super.
Nerd that's able to prepare, but we all know that when you're trying to shove too much in it's a desire.
I generally, I genuinely reckon it is the worst possible preparation it's like having written notes ready before you're about to go on radio or whatever, because if something does and go your way, then suddenly the script goes out the window and you're left with a blank sheet again.
So just you keep it all up here.
But also that idea, that idea holly too, where it's like, okay, did that look okay when I said it?
We'll go back, have a look, change this word. Change.
Then if you're thinking about where your hands and shoulders are not what you're saying, well, then guess what's going to happen?
Did I look natural enough?
I know I have?
All right, let's talk here about let's let's talk about apparently today Pete Dutton in the party room and I know you can't possibly talk about matters to do with the party room, but leaks out of the party room or briefings out of.
The party room.
I think the leaks kind of went when Malcolm and Julie and.
When they all disappeared.
But still supposedly Peter Dutton's position now is rather than finding ways to work with the government or help the government get what it wants to be done, that now the position is going to be no free passes so we're seeing that with things like say the Reserve Bank stuff, and we're seeing that with stuff like the aged care stuff. Now, obviously the government will turn this into sort of the doctor know stuff. But Holly, reality is it is fifty
to fifty in the polls. Why would you give the other side a free kick right now?
Look, I think that's right, you know, I think there is at the moment in the Senate. Again, it's not in the House of Representatives, it's in the Senate that is where the legislation is going to ultimately be passed or not. And whilst I agree that we are not here to just pass things that the government wants passed without any overview and some real you know, really looking into some of the things that they're proposing, which of course we know that the government is completely limiting any
sort of review by committees into their legislation. The danger is, and I think this is particularly important when it comes to the RBA, is do we as a country really want the Greens in any way dictating this policy. And at the end of the day, if we can't find a compromise with the government, it's going to end up with the Joe might tell us. They're not going to form a coalition with the Greens, but they're already looking
to do it. I think there's a real risk and that's where I think there does need to be strong leadership from the Economic team in their ability to negotiate, because if Jim Chalmers starts going to negotiate with Adam Band, it's going to be every Australian that pays for a very long time to come. If something as fundamental as the RBA is allowed to be turned into a political hatchet job run by the Labor.
Party, well litt alone the fact of does anyone then want either Lydia Thorpe or Lamby or Pocock to be the one who's making the final touches and changes here on something of such consequence. Andrew Clonel was the one who had this story today, so let's look at his reporting.
This week is the story of a frustrated agenda for the government and we've seen that with Age Care, seeing that with the RBA and Peter Duttony is seeking to pile the pressure on the government. Last time we sat we saw things like the CFMAU and NDI s get through. Not so this week they're getting no free passes.
What's your sense of this?
Yeah, I think Holly is absolutely right.
I think it might be good sort of tactics and good politics to frustrate the government and force her to do deals with the Greens. But it is poor strategy and poor policy. You know, the only reason Adam Bant is in the Parliament is because Liberal Party preferences put in there the pence. They preferenced him, and the Liberals, to their credit, I think of all learned from that mistake, and Labor was stupid enough to do a deal with the Greens in twenty ten as well, so they have
learned from that as well. I mean the idea, you know, Nick McKim and the Greens's idea that the government should be able to effectively dictate interest rates, that politicians should be able to say what it is terrifying. I mean, this is the sort of command economy run in Stalinist Russia and communist China. I mean, I don't think, I don't think Charmers or the Labor Party would ever in
a blue moon even consider all countenance that. But the fact that it's on the table though, just gives you an idea of just how economically illiterate and extreme and ideologically extreme the Greens are. I mean, these are people who have no concept of economics and just a purely extreme, doctrinaire ideological dogma.
That they slavishly adhere to.
And it is terrifying to think, for the sake of this country that you would ever do an economic deal with them.
Well, exactly, And again there's moments when bad ideas like whatever he's being discussed in and around age care. I'm I'm not firing shots across the bow here, I'm just saying I don't want the uncapped system that's being discussed about potentially at home. So that's fine for that to
take a little time. Also, if the bill doesn't pass this week, it doesn't matter, I mean the sort of the artificial this must be done by Thursday, and if nothing happens both, Parliament's not rise for the election for multiple months.
So if we're talking about this.
Well, the Senate's here next week.
Yeah, well saying look, how happy holy is it?
The trail right from Camber.
But it is a Senate only sitting week next week. And this is where the government has completely lost control of the agenda. Because if they did want those reforms through. That should have been through the House whatever they had, you know, four months ago, so it could have come to the Senate, gone through a committee process, and gone through a proper scrutiny of the legislation, so any amendments could be made and it could be moving forward. Instead,
this government doesn't consult widely. When it does consult, it does so under NDA's It then brings it to the House, rushes it to the Senate, then Guilletine's debate trying to stop it going to committee. So they are actually creating their own problems through their vast incompetence at managing the legislative agenda.
Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see where it goes at the next of a while. Certainly the government thinks that when they passed these things, the great sub suburban conversation will be to talk about it.
No, I mean, I don't think.
I mean everyone's going to blame the government for everything. No, one's not going to blame.
A single barbecue in Australia that's going to be stopped by should they reform the result.
Having but having said that, like this is this has already been done. I mean it doesn't really need another review committee. I mean, there has been an independent review of the RBI. It is handed down its findings. That is all the government is seeking to implement. It has nothing to do with the government taking control over its power of being.
Able to overrule its power.
Just if you have a whole new board and you're the one that gets to pick the whole new board from scratch.
But the majority of the also have their opportunity to pick that whole new board whenever they was.
Attempting to change the Preserve Bank. Peter Dunton's lack of the effect for our institutions. Can you imagine the.
Remak putting liberals on there people? We've run businesses and.
Arth and Shea and Donald.
Until Google too. I know, you know it. No one knows that.
I'm saying this is obviously sooner or later. Sooner or later governments.
You know.
The whole idea of arm's length is the government has no say over who of what these agencies do, but it does appoint people to them when the terms.
File chance to do it from scratch. It's not changing one.
Or two lives. Opportunity for economic reform.
That's why they're written it's not economic reform police, it's just about in my view, toadies to give the government what it wants.
Anyway, let's talking about publico.
To your point, age care is something that they're not talking about.
Age care age.
Here is something families are concerned about and we don't have any legislation, there's nothing. It hasn't gone to a committee. And what is the process the government's going to achieve, you know? Are they going to push it through the House, which they've got the numbers to do, and then it comes to the Senate and they either do a dirty deal with the Greens and the cross Bench or they let it go to a committee but have a very short reporting time Labor senators who have the numbers on
the committee surprisingly and never available for hearings. You get one or two three hearings maybe, which is what happened with the NDIS. And then it comes back to the Senate. Labour does another deal with the Greens and the independence skill of teams of the debate and pushes it through. This is where they really have lost control of the agenda and Australians are going to pay and pay for decades.
Except that the Coalition doesn't want to be too smart by half with this, because just think of the financial win for the budget would get if the cap was abolished altogether, if there was no limit. Obviously Labour knows that there is no way they can do that and do not want to do it for obvious political reasons. But if they say, well, we had no choice, we had to do it because otherwise we would have got nothing for age care because the coalition wouldn't come to
the table. They get the financial wine.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Right, In the same way that Anika Wells had to come out and say the family home is not part of this to allay people's concerns, they have to turn around and say, look, there will be a cap. Don't worry everyone, there will be a cap at home. We're just working out where it's going to be. But until they if they I don't understand it's not on market sensitive with this stuff, I think they should be trying
to reassure rather than renegotiate in that particular moment. Now, I often talk about the Australian economy through this metaphor, which is you know when your car's out of tune and you're sitting at the lights and it just just slightly moving forward. You're not actually doing anything, but it's just because it's out of tune.
It's moving forward.
Well, one of the ways they're able to keep it slightly in that position is by hiring an awful lot of public servants. Now we know that one of the knocks on previous governments has been too much money spent
on outside consultants. But if you then turn around and obviously outside consultants you're only hiring for a specific period of time, versus adding people permanently to a public service who are impossible to sack, who are there forever, that would be the argument against the expansion of the public service, which has been pretty amazing. Football stadiums of people have been at an.
Understand, say public servants and people think, oh bloody Cardigan wearing bureaucrats in Canberra. There these are nurses, These are age care workers. These are all sectors where teachers not an extra person are all. These are all these are
all one profession which there is not enough purple. I'm sure there will be in that number somewhere, but the vast majority what is driving this is massive recruitment drive in age care, which is long overdue and necessarily in the Royal Commission founders needed.
Same with nurses, same with teachers. There's a massive.
Teacher So we want to talk about a command and control economy. Command and control economy. They are literally the only way we're not in a recession. You know, we're in a per capita reception recession. The only reason they've managed to get minuscule growth in the economy is because the government is paying wages, not like the private sector.
You've got the government is saving us from recession teachers and nurses.
Isn't that you tell the private sector. You tell the private sector they're not in recession. You go and tell a family who can't afford the mortgage your groceries, they're not in a recession.
We know it's suffering, but the point is would you rather be in a worse recession and not enough nurses and not enough teachers, because that's the alternative.
Okay, Gang, I'll get you to stick around because we're waiting to get the tin Cans together to talk to Niger farras in the UK.
We'll do that and more of you people in a moment's time. Here on pull Marila.
All right, we'll see Holly and Joe next week because it's all about Niger Ferras. She was in and out of the Parliament of the UK and he's made time for us in Westminster right now, Thank you, great man.
Nigel.
Lots to talk to But let's talk about this massive debate tomorrow. What do you if you had any conversations with Donald?
Have you given any free advice via text?
Well, I'm always giving advice.
Sometimes it gets listens to you. Sometimes it doesn't.
Look the thing is.
The thing is Paris is untested. It sounds bizarre to say it. She's been a vice president for four years, yet the American public barely know her. She's been pople in the last few weeks to get away with the scripted speech, the big stage, a couple of alist celebrities.
This is different.
This is can she answer questions? Can she display knowledge when there's not an auto que to hand? And so yes, of course they'll have a go at each other. She'll say he's a convicted felon, and he's going to say she's a right lefty and the real come out that will come out if she becomes president. But the really important thing with this debate is they've got to get into detail. They've got to get into economic detail, acts detail. They've got to get into detail about American energy production.
They've got to get into detail about the cost of filling up your car. And above all, they've got to get into detail about the numbers that have crossed the border since Biden came to power, since she was put in charge. And if Trump can get her onto those subjects, if the invigilators do their job properly, then I think this will be the decisive moment of the whole campaign and Trump will win. But I'll give you you know there is a caveat there.
We want to two f's look one hundred percent and also, as we mentioned before, there was a survey done of the newscast of ABC in America. One hundred percent negative coverage, sorry, one hundred percent positive coverage of Harris, ninety three percent negative coverage of Trump. We know he's playing an away game, but he always is in these scenarios. We keep hearing about she's going to play four D chess, trying to goad him, and all the.
Rest of it.
As you say, every poll, even one that shows Harris up, shows that they're with Trump on the issues. It's the personality stuff. Some of that you can change, some of that you can't. But the reality is that, as you say, if we're talking about what's on offer, people want change. This has been Harris is the co pilot of the plane that is way off course and headed into the mountain.
Right.
Trump doesn't have to not her out. He just has to say, I'm the guy who's going to change, and she's the one who's just saying she's going to change to win an election.
Yes, I mean, she sort of almost tries to dissociate herself with the Biden regime when she was, for goot to say, the vice president. And the other thing I think's very important is what Trump can say is, look at my record. I made promises to people in twenty sixteen, and you know what I kept those promises. Compare and contrast that with what Biden said back in twenty twenty and what they've done.
I just hope this.
Doesn't get dominated by a cat fight, a personal fight between the two. It might have worked against Hillary Clinton, it won't work against.
Harris one hundred percent.
And again I think that you know, if she's just in front in the polling. Then really it's Trump who's very level or in front because of the historic failures of the polls. But I wanted to get in the head of a bloke who has literally this year done how many of these different debates right where you've got all these different things playing in your head. I want to show you from CDs in the United States. This
is the detail of how Harris has been preparing. Now, this stuff might be great on paper, but I think it's shoving too much into any human being's head.
But have a look.
She has spent the last several days at a downtown Pittsburgh hotel with aids, trying to replicate what the studio itself will look like tomorrow night in Philadelphia. We're told there's a stage, there's cameras, there's lights, there's lecterns, and there's an ability to go back and watch the tape, review the tape with her team to get a sense of not only what she's saying, but how she's sang it on camera.
Nigel, that's ridiculous to go back and watch yourself on tape for whether your shoulders were in the right place, let alone where the words were. No one can remember what that process is like. You've got to respond in the moment, do.
You You can fill your hate with too much. You know, either you know this stuff or you don't. My first really big national debate was against the Deputy Prime Nick Clegg. Just they were ten years ago, live, massive audience, and I prepared really carefully. I went to the Westminster Arms, had a pint and then went on. I mean I did, and then went on with the divt because I took the view. I took the view that if I didn't know by then what I was going to say, then
frankly it was too late. And if she's overtrained, she will far off like a machine gun, you know, with fact she's remembered and everything else. Preparation, yes, quiet time and thought, yes, overtraining, I don't.
Believe in it.
What's it like to stand at one of those liktines when you've got that national audience, which you know is more than anything.
Sure more people watched you in the jungle, but you get my point. I mean, what is that like?
Because it's one thing to be in control of your TV show or a speech that you're giving, but what is it like explain to people what that moment is like.
It was the biggest moment of my life. You know, we were heading towards a national European election. My party had hit the lead in the polls, but I was a complete outsider. He was, I mean Nick Plegg was the deputy Prime Minister and the man that now runs Meta of course for Mark Zuckerberg. And you know when I arrived and I saw the sheer size of the crowds outside and the cameras and the flashes, and I
was a little bit overawed. And I'd spent a couple of days with a guy Patrick, and we were working through subjects, questions, thinking it all out. And as I left him to go towards the stage, he said to me, you know, on your own now. But I thought, gosh, I really am. Yeah, in a moment like that, you will be nervous, and it's a question of how you deal with those nerves. And Trump won't be nervous. He'll want to do well, but he's done it before. She
would be far more nervous than Trump. So we'll look out for that cackling laugh.
Looking forward to all of it and your analysis farage on gb News and of course with us each and every week.
Thank you mate. All back to the real job as of course.
A member of Parliament, which we're great to see in there as the leader of reformal.
See tomorrow night.
Of course, after the debate we'll watch it all together eleven o'clock tomorrow with LJ.