From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live as we go to where tonight there is a tragedy that is unfolding. In the past two hours. A gunman has entered a school in Austria, has opened fire and at
least ten people are dead. The reports that we've received is that in the past couple of hours and it is now just gone one o'clock in the afternoon in this town Gratz in Austria that's in the southeast of the country, that in the past two hours news started to break that shots had been fired at a school. I don't know if it is a high school or a primary school. As soon as I know, i'll pass that information to you. We now understand that ten people
have died. Seven of them are the school children, one adult who is at the school. The gunman is also dead and according to local media the government was a student or at least of student age. Again, I will wait to confirm what we know and what Austrian authorities know, as opposed to some of the rampant speculation that is rolling around on social media. I understand that the multiple shots started to be fired in at least two classrooms. There are at the moment a huge security response which
obviously you can see in terms of the police. There are at least one hundred and fifty eight paramedics that are currently at the scene of this school shooting in the southeastern Austrian town of Gratz. The Austrian Chancellor has called it a national tragedy that has shaken our country and that news this evening is that at least ten people are dead. Seven are students, one is an adult, is the gunman, and I don't know at this stage whom the tenth person is, whether it is another adult
or another student. Sadly, this is going to be flowing through the show this evening as the latest information comes to us, and of course when we hear more from our colleagues in the UK or the Austrian authorities, we will pass the information on. So as we start our discussion tonight, a horrible situation playing out on the other side of the world where it is still the middle of a school day, a school day where one school in the southeast of Austria has been the location of
a mass shooting. Ten people dead, seven are the students, one adult the gunman, and one other person yet to be confirmed. As to what their age was. Again, when I know more, I will pass it on to you in the moments that will lead ahead in what is going to be a difficult hour. But of course we will continue on with the show as planned. In between the information that will be coming to us. There is a lot of stuff on social media, including videos purporting
to be shot in and around the school. We're not going to play those here at this stage. Again, particularly our colleagues in Europe are trying to verify those videos. If a decision is made by them to show part of it, we will make a separate editorial decision here as to whether it is played. So you may read more on the internet than I'm going to tell you
in the next few minutes. But as always with these things, the tragedy is deep, profound and absolute, and adding anything more than what we know to be true is deeply unhelpful at this time. All right, let's turn our attention to the matters to do with Australian politics here this evening. Now, in the Northern Territory, a few weeks ago, there was a man who was confronted by police after he had confronted a security guard who had confronted him in the
middle of shoplifting. Now, this story has been one that has echoed around the country and it is one that if you pay attention to Matt Cunningham and his reporting in the Northern Territory, none of this is news to you. If the only time you get to catch up with things is this time of night, this might be the first time that you were starting to hear about it. But here's the details of what we know to be the situation now.
Police say he was observed in the Coles Supermarket in Alice Springs taking items from the shelves, putting them into his clothes when he was confronted by two security guards. At that point, police say there was an altercation where one of those security guards was assaulted. He was held on the ground for several minutes and lost consciousness. He was taken to the Alice Springs Hospital but later died.
Now, the situation is one that has echoed aroun the country. Obviously, his family heartbroken as to what took place here and they demand more answers. And there seems to be a situation here where there are plenty of people who are marching in his memory or marching against potentially the actions of authorities. Now that has happened not just in and around Darwin, but as you can see there, that's people moving towards the police center from memory Sydney Police Center
in Sydney. There's been lots of other examples around the country. Now, again, just as I said before when it came to the breaking news, nothing is helpful by speculating or trying to get ahead of what we know to be the case. All we know is that there was this confrontation and the man later died as a result of the confrontation. Now enter into this the Northern Territory Police who've made a decision that they are not going to have an
independent investigation into what took place. Now, for those who are suspicious of the Northern Territory Police, I'm not one of those people, but for those that are, and there are a significant number, the idea that this would be investigated internally when potentially obviously there's a direct correlation between the incident with police and the man dying, that this is something that should be being dealt with outside of
the system. But the acting Northern Territory Commissioner had this to say at the time which was I understand the high level of public interest in this matter. However, I respectfully reject the cause for an investigation to be handed by an external body. Now, for what it's worth, my view here is that something like this where potentially the obvious X factor here between the man walking into the shop and then the man and dying within hours of
this situation, obviously needs to be investigated. I believe that probably an internal investigation is not appropriate, and there will be a form of an independent investigation, and that will be the coroner. The coroner will hold as they have in other situations, and open hearing where they will go on an investigation about who what and if there's things like body cam footage, all of that will happen. If there is to be some other investigation, I hope it
is not internal to the Northern Territory Police Force. I have the coroner's work can begin as soon as possible. But if there's going to be a very significant gap, then pretty obviously people are going to have to start to see the footage of all of the incident. Okay, now it's going to be confronting and we'll see where it goes from there. But enter into the phray, somebody trying to whip things up to one hundred. Lydia Thorpe, she of course was welcome with opened arms. Today onto
the aba. We see where she decided to rip into the Chief Minister Leofanukiaro, the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory, who has supported the decision of the police to keep this in house, while of course understanding that there is going to be the external inquiry. At a point of the coroner, Lydia Thorpe says that the Northern Territory Chief Minister is complicit in genocide because of deaths in custody.
This is what an elected senator in the Australian Parliament says about the police force in the Northern Territory.
There's no trust in the Northern Territory Police force. We know that they have systemic racism.
She goes on, as I say, to be quite specific in her criticism and in my view, she's dialed up to eleven about the Chief Minister. Now, remember the Chief Minister is not involved in the confrontation between this indigenous man and the police in the Northern Territory. But that doesn't save her from the invective of the Senator.
Well, I think that shows how how out of touch the Northern Territory Chief Minister is and that she is complicit in the ongoing genocide against our people.
Seriously, I mean, think about the biggest possible words that you can use at this particular time when understandably and correctly tensions are incredibly high at the moment. Again, I want to know what happened. I want to know whom and what is responsible for this man's death. I want that to be investigated with as much sunlight as possible.
And I know for an absolute fact that Matt Cunningham has talked about this day after day after day, because there seems to be that growing movement around greater transparency in and around what took place here. Okay, she appeared on Radio National this morning and the host of their breakfast show did push back ish, but have a listen to how the Senator just rolled and was no further challenged upon her claim of the Chief Minister in the
Northern Territory being complicit in genocide. Federal surrevidence of them.
Well, the definition of genocide, according to the Geneva Convention is causing harm to a group of people the ongoing killings of our people in custody is ongoing harm of our people.
Now again, we we're talking about accidents, medical episodes, suicides. References to killings of people when they are in custody. Not the type of stuff that I believe to be helpful, either for the family or anyone else. But certainly also not helpful is the idea of this thing well being discussed behind closed doors, when for obvious reasons, it needs to be out in the open. Now to the politics of the day. You may will have noticed of the pastor a couple of weeks, I haven't been bashing into
elbow the way that I normally would. Why because he's just been on a victory lap, and I don't think any of us want to see the rubbing in of the victory lap of the bloke who has as many seats in the parliament. Now we'll very close to as John Howard did after thumping keeping back in nineteen ninety six.
But today he was playing yet another home game the National Press Club, where, of course much of the media that did the work for him of not calling him out on his own lives, not calling him out on his own tactics, not calling him out on much of
his online bullying behavior towards anyone running against him. Well, none of that, But there was a little bit of news that was made from all of it today and it centers around the concept of the average Australian who is, no matter how many of them we are, that we're going backwards. Right for the best part of two of the past three years, we've been in what's called per capita session. Put simply, it doesn't matter how many people are in the country, but many industries are going backwards.
There are many signs of this when it comes to anything from mining all the way through to your small business. All of it's in trouble right now. And as I showed you last week, when it comes to the growth of the Australian economy, it is like a car that is sitting in idle and slightly rolling forward when it comes to the lights point one point two point three point six and then back to point two of one percent growth. Then the second number that you can see there,
which is GDP per capita. That's when we start to talk about how the twenty seven million of us are faring as opposed to the economy going backwards in December, in March, in June ever so slightly forward by zero point one percent in December, and then in March we're going backwards again. This is what we refer to as the per capita recession. Now, of course I'm not an economist, I don't pretend to play one on television, but I know the economy certainly matters regardless of what people want
to say when it comes to election results. But a person who is an economist can try to explain why the country ever so slightly sputtering along, but the average Australian going backwards is a bad thing, and how it works.
And as you point out, given strong population growth of we're still running around one point seven percent. Population growth, not as strong as it was a year or two ago, is still pretty strong. That means per person, the economy is going backwards, and it's gone backwards for nine of the last eleven quarters at almost continuously, apart from two quarters over the last three years, the economy has gone backwards when measured on a per person basis.
So, of course, as you know, the federal government bring in as many people as they possibly can more more, regardless of the fact there's not enough housing, regardless of the fact that the existing population, including people who were here as soon as last year or have been here
for generations, that those people are suffering financial hardship. Now we would have thought that this would have played out at the election, it didn't, or people thought that they were completely fine with the government that was in place. But the reality is that the last three years are starting to give us an indication that the next three years are not going to be very different. This, of course was a point we made many many times in many many shows, and of course the Australian people made
their choice for whatever reason. Well, and the more boys get it right. I'm not playing sour grapes. But the way that the economy has to grow is through a thing called productivity. And put simply, this bloke from the Reserve Bank will explain the concept of productivity to.
So when we talk about productivity, we're talking about how much output we get relative to what we put in. So at an individual level, I increase my own productivity by making a shopping list before I go to the supermarket to make sure you don't forget anything and avoid multiple trips to the supermarket at the firm level productivity might be improved by implementing customer relationship management software streamline communications with clients to automate routine tasks.
Now, I understand there's a very dry weekbooks that I'm drying to share with you right now, But believe me,
there's a point, and it's about olbow. But you can see via this chart again from the Reserve Bank, about a straight is productivity that basically once we were all locked in our bedroom, so there was a big spike once we came out, but then straight right back down to the levels of say two thousand and sixteen, twenty seventeen, a little bit better but not anywhere near where we were in twenty nineteen, in twenty three, and then back down in twenty twenty four, and again, why does all
of this matter? Again, the bloke from the Reserve Bank, who at the very least I will give him points for presentation, is trying to give a bit of energy to what can be a difficult discussion. But I promise I'm getting it a bit where I'll bash our bow in a second, but I just want to set the table. And yes, it's a very dry wheatbix if productivity increases.
The economy can produce more goods and services from all the available economic inputs. So as such, productivity is a key driver of growth in the supply capacity of the economy, or as economist nerds call it, potential output.
So we have been not going forward when it comes to productivity, which in part is one of the reasons why we are going backwards in terms of living standards. We remember we were back to the nineteen fifties in terms of living standards in the past three years before the election. But as you and I both know, the election was about Orange Man bad change the subject. Many care all the rest of it because if it was about this there probably would have been a different result.
But again I am not looking I am just again setting the table. And this problem of productivity is something that a government is absolutely involved in trying to fix. Instead, this government has had us in reverse for way too long. Again, somebody who can explain it better than me, make canavan.
Where is the government's plan to improve our productivity. Our productivity's fallen by five point three percent in the first three years of this government. They've never seen a reduction like that, and that is the reason interest rates are higher than they should have to be. It's the reason people's take home pay it doesn't seem to be going
very far anymore. It's the reason you can't buy as much at the shops that you used to, or that when you do go and buy the things you want to buy, it's much much more expensive than it used to be.
So we get it right. Productivity is a problem, the consequences of it. You've just heard explained, the reasons why we are going backward. You have also heard and what it means. Okay, so now let's pour some milk in a fair amount of sugar on that very dry wheat bix because today the Prime Minister was talking about productivity and his big, bold, brilliant idea for this is a talkfest. No new policies, no new laws, just another talkfest.
I've asked the Treasurer Jim Chalmers to convene a round table to support and shape our government's growth and productivity agenda at Palmer House in August. We will bring together a group of leaders from the business community, the union movement and civil society.
Oh wow, Now the government that should have already had a plan to deal with this, because they've been in charge for three years who just went and got another three year contract extension, and given the size of their win, it's most likely looking at six or nine years, still does not have central ideas as to how they're going to deal with a central problem. That means the last three years are probably going to be indicative of the next three years. And we all know how tough that
has been. We all know the tens of thousands of dollars that people have had to find to pay off homes. The cost of those homes as well is something I'll mentioned in a moment or two's time, but we've been here before. You see, the Prime Minister thinks that he has cracked the nut, and why wouldn't he. He's got ninety something seats in the Parliament that basically will rerun the first term because we know how well that resulted
in getting a second term. Because remember when one of the first things this government did when it was brought to power was the Job's Summit. This was when the new broom was in town and everyone who wanted to suck up to the Prime Minister, from the business tycoons who were riding on the Prime Minister's private jet toto one to fly from a shindig in Sydney to get
to Canberra. But the reality was this thing was stacked with unions, like about a quarter of the room that was discussing this was the union movement, despite the fact that as I've told you before, union membership has gone down dramatically down in anything but the public sector. But the unions, because they of course are the muscle behind the Labor Party, well they were not just invited into the room, but as we remember, they kind of got whatever they wanted because all of it was a charade.
The decisions had already been made behind the scenes. And why wouldn't we think the same about the next version of the roundtable, because you see the politics of the let's get everyone in the room to decide what the policy should be is that firstly, if you're not in the room, you're not important enough to government, which means they either changed the lobbyist or the age their policies to suck up even more to government, because remember what
is the triangle of dependency that they want to build. Of course that if you're a citizen, you want to keep voting for the government because you've got your hand out. If you are a worker, you want to stay inside the government system because there are more jobs than ever before. And the third tranch, of course, is that if you are in business, then of course there are biggest client should be government, and you would never want to upset a government that looks like he is sit around for
another three, six or maybe nine years. And why do I think that that's probably what's going to happen. Why do I spend so much time talking about this tonight, And why do I tell you that it's the theater of what's being done rather than what's actually being done that is worth talking about here because Jim Chalmers has already told us that he needs at least another three
years to deal with the question of productivity. You see, he himself in and around the election period of time said that he needed more than two terms to fix the economy. So put simply, when it comes to productivity, which feeds into things like interest rates, which is a reflection of the sputtering growth at the headline level. But in the reality of your family, you go backwards. They're just playing games where they've already told us that, well, we don't have the ideas, so can you all come
in and help us with the ideas. But then didn't you also say that you're going to need at least three more years, potentially another election, where he will have been the Treasurer for the best part of well easily six seven years by this point in time. In the meantime, people continue to suffer, And I know that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect a different result. But I also know that there aren't enough people in and around the media who call bs
on the distraction from the main game. The main game is cost of living. It has been for the past three it will be for the next three. Will the government be able to change the subject at the next election as they did at the last election, I don't know. They certainly have such a margin and the Liberal Party is so far behind, and the expectation is that they'll just do it all again without the voice bit in
the middle. But in the meantime they get pay rise after pay rise after pay rise at the last election, three pay rises for federal MPs. Did you get one at all in the past three years because they got caught on the two seventy five. When it comes to power bills, there was no promise of such things into
the next three years. So the minister stood up there today after being rehired for the job as the CEO of the country, only to say my big idea on the big problem that is causing major issues in almost every business and household in the country. More talking meaning your life does not change at all, which means the second election in a row they promise something they will not deliver. No giant surprise there, because you just have to keep paying the bills, pay your taxes. Shut up,
don't rock the boat, don't tell anyone. You watch me each and every night, and they just keep on doing what they're doing. Now when it comes to houses, we learned today from the Bureau of Statistics about just how much money the collective property market in Australia is worth. Guess what, don't think I'm giving away the punchline, So let's not do that right now. But imagine this is
it billions? Is a lots of billions? No, it's a trillions. Yes, the Australian property market is worth the best part of eleven and a half t for trillion dollars. As you can see, the overall value of Australian property. You can see here this starts in May in twenty twenty, So what five years ago it was seven and a half
trillion dollars. The COVID boom, the population boom means, yes, the value of your home has gone through the roof, and a somebody who's trying to pay off a house the idea of it being worth more when it's time to sell. It's kind of one of the reasons why we all scrimp and save and work so hard to pay off our homes. But it's also a sign of how hard it is for the next generation to get involved.
Because also the Bureau of Statistics puts out today that the average dwelling in Australia is now one million dollars in New South Welst. It's one point two million. In Queensland. It's nine hundred and forty four in the Act. It's nine hundred forty one thousand Northern Territory. Back with the lowest mean. We told you about this a few nights
ago at five hundred and seventeen thousand dollars. Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here now, I want to jump forward to American politics, and particularly a person who told many lies on the behalf of Joe Biden. Her name Carrine Jean Pierre. She was the press secretary to the adult president, the president, of course, who they told us was nothing nothing to see here when it came to his own health. And she, of course was a historic figure because she was not just a woman of color,
but so much more. And she was therefore the first person to take that role speaking on the behalf of the president. But she also told lots of lies on behalf of the president. You may remember the videos of him falling over, but she called them what was it?
That was as I said, it was a cheap you know, a cheap fake.
That was definitely a cheap.
It was misinformation.
Experts have been calling out chief fakes, and at the end of the day they're fakes.
Several recent chief fects actually attack the president.
Well, guess what one of the great Biden liars is now telling her story. We learn this week that she is going to have a book where she is no longer a Democrat. Instead she is now an independent. Listen to the press release of the garbage of the lady who you just heard tell lie after lie in an urgent timely analysis. Independent urges all Americans to vote their values and maintain individuality within party lines. She's the chief
fake lady. She presents clear arguments and provocative evidence as an insider about the importance of dismantling the torrent of disinformation that she was part of and misinformation that's been rampant in recent elections, and provides a passionate insight into
moving forward and a hard hitting yet hopeful critic. Jean Pierre defines what it means to be part of a growing percentage of our fraction electorate that is independent, and why it can be worthwhile to carve a political space more loyal to personal beliefs than a party affiliation, and what questions you need to ask yourself to determine where you fit politically. I bet that the newly formed independent version of the lifelong Democrat will never vote Republican, which
means she's not independent, She's still a Democrat. Or in terms of what the current president would say about a former spokesperson lying as much as she did and that qualifying her for a book advance and the ability to wash her record of lies, well, what does he say again? The fake news media is truly fake news. You are
fake news, all right, quick break? More plenty more to talk about, and you remember last night I spoke a lot about how wonderful a piece was that Nick Kata wrote about how those of us on the right, the center right, those of us who believe in the freedom that's worked for generations, we need to do more to reach to young people and meet them where they are. A positive conversation with a bloke with a much bigger brain than mine in a moment or two's time. In
the meantime, plenty of debate between now and then. Thanks for watching us here the latest from Austria after the breakers, Well, thank you so much for watching. Before we get on with what we were planning, I just want to send strength and love to a friend of this program, and it is none other than Pruka. She is the new South Wales Deputy Premier Education Minister, and you remember before they became the government, she was quite a frequent guest
on our program. She's a great champion of Western Sydney. Well sadly we learned today that she's got another battle with cancer. She's had one with kidney before, but now it's breast cancer and Prue, I just want to say we love you strength and love and your beautiful boy Max, who loves you of course more than anyone in the entire world. We're just thinking of you in the battle ahead, and we send all of our strength see across the eye.
But more importantly, just from person to person, from my family to yours, prow all the best done them and we look forward to talking to you very very soon. Now. As you can see bottom of the screen right now, at least nine people have died in a school shooting. This has happened in Austria tonight. The gunman is being reported by local media and that's just what I'm repeating here is as being a student, a school aged person.
I don't know whether it is primary school, high school, about further information there, but the gunman is one of those that are dead, one adult and seven students. Now other organizations are starting to suggest that there is a tenth victim when we're able to further confirm, and again there's some conflicting reports between very trusted organizations in the UK and Europe. Will pass it all on all right.
In between all of that show is normal and we continue on with James Ashby, of course, one of the heroes of One Nation who are still basking in the glory of a spectacular election result. But as they double their numbers to four in the Senate, he's joining us. Now, of course, are you in Perth in Brizzi? Where are you tonight? Mate?
I am Perth over here with Tyrone Whitten.
Now you Senate elect you'll take his position on the first of July.
Yeah, he's a good bloke. It was a nice to have a chat do with my team. Even my mum was like, I really like that new One Nation because when there's more people like that in Parliament. So he's got mum all right. I can't vote for him in West Australia, but still, Mum, I'm passing on your praise and labor to a boot straps is none other than Linda Scott, who is here as always with us on a Tuesday night. So, Linda, you must have been excited today.
The Prime Minister is freshly re higed with a new contract, you know, another twenty eight years as Prime minister, and his big idea for productivity was a talk fest. How inspire?
I think that's not fair as you expect. Paul Murray. I know, and you and I are largely going to disagree on this.
But he's already commissioned the Productivity Commission to do a review, so they've actually been working on that for a while.
I do think it's good to have.
A round able to bring together unions, business, other leaders in Australia. I was lucky enough to go to the Jobs and Skills Summer.
Oh there were did you get?
What did you get back.
From te major economic changes that came out of it?
A badge what they give you.
The Women's Employment Task Force, headed up other than the wonderful Sam Moston, has significantly and materially increased the amount of women in jobs in Australia and that has improved our economic productivity.
So you know, Paul, every now and again.
It is a good idea to get Australian's left right, big business, small business, unions, other stakeholders together to have a chat and come to some good policy ideas that the government can work. My guesses, because I want to say this, Governments are good, but they need to work with businesses and union.
Correct every triangle of dependence.
You know, I think it's about idea to have a round table.
It's not the only thing the government's doing on productivity, but I think it's a good thing, and we need to get more innovation, get more companies, you know, do something.
James hasn't, the Treasurer already told us, I can't do that this term. I've got to be re elected. We've got to be re elected again by that point in time. You know. Look, I mean, you know, remember our old nasty Niki Sava saying that regardless of the election result, Alba had to get out of the way. Notice she hasn't got back to that, because of course the plan was eventually we're on our way to charmers or Annika Wells or someone over a little wilder than old made albow.
But here we go another talk fest. This is an exact cut and copy of the first term, and they're basically going to do that with the exception of the voice and a referendum in the middle, and we're just going to get more of the same. And the people who will be understandably raging about cost of living in a year's time, many of whom are the ones who re elected this mob who've been doing the damage.
Yeah, become on Paul he's got a mandate to have these roundtable conversations. They don't lead to much though, you know, you end up with a pile of paperwork that's hardly worth reading. It's the same as the last report that was done. And what happens in the long run, it's all ignored and people continue living in hardship. And that's
the biggest problem that we've got here. You know, constantly hear about this conversation about productivity, and yet no one is calling out the facts that we're not going to meet these targets that have been set by this government. They haven't reached the target of bringing down power costs, they haven't reached the target of being able to house those homeless, and those are still seeking cheaper accommodation across
the country. You know what's really interesting today, Paul, and I'm so refreshed by the idea we're getting Toyren Whitten into our Senate.
You know, here's a.
Bloke that's got an enormous amount of experience when it comes to developments and building and construction some of the biggest projects across the country, mining and also hydro schemes.
But one of his things.
That he pointed out to me today, is we're still building houses that are the non productive way. I'm sure I don't want to see a change to the way in.
Which the quality of house that's built.
But there are different newer techniques available like batching pads, where you know, there's all this automated tilt slabs that can be laid and put up, and we can actually achieve with new technology greater productivity that builds houses quicker, provides the accommodation to the you know, those people out there that are still living in cars and living in tents or living on the street, and yet no one
has spoken about this. So I can't wait for that new fresh blood to come into the Senate and actually raise these things on the floor of Parliament and actually get some real productivity and changes moving within that parliament.
Well, in relation to housing, the Housing Minister who definitely wasn't so definitely was not sacked to some Home Affairs minister. Remember that she's just a good performer, she's saying, and I love this here right because she's saying she's not a yimbi, which means yes, in my backyard, build everything everywhere. But she's out and about saying that it's, among other empty words, it's time to roll our sleeves up.
What she's saying today, for the first time since the post war period, our government is rolling up at sleeves and actually getting on with the job of funding and building homes with our states and territories in local government. What's going to be required is three years of serious reform with the states and territories in local government.
We're up for that, and we know they are too.
Linda can I as a quick question and then take it veramiable. When they talk about funding homes, they're talking about building social housing, right, and that's a good thing because there's tens of thousands, in fact, close to a couple hundred thousand people who want to go into those things. But they're not talking about funding low cost units in suburbs for people to be able to move in and renting to.
It's a great question that, of course, former Labor government put forwardians of dollars for social housing. They gave that to the states. The states are getting underway.
But as part of the.
Housing Accords signed by all three levels of government, I found it on behalf of local governments there are housing targets, and there are also ways to bring together private capital like superannuation to invest in housing for the market, or for people for rent, or for a range of other purposes. Again, we need more housing. This is so critical for Australia's future. We've got states like here in New South Wales where
the number of young people is precipitously declining. Like it is so important that we provide enough housing to get it to a more affordable point. But you can't do that with government alone, Paul. And what is so disappointing is to hear things like James was just saying about the fact that actually, James, you're just ignoring.
All this work that's been done. There's been work to the building standards at the state level. There's been so.
Much work innovative technologies. No I'm not saying that either, but there's been work to harmonize the building standard across the country, done by former Minister Ed Husick. There's been worked by all the state and territory governments, Labor and Liberal to partner.
But it's done, but it's not producing anything.
Well it is.
You've got so much talk going on you.
When it comes to housing fabricated housing. That is just absolutely untrue. And if your.
Friends five to fifteen years before it, it's destroyed, if.
Government waste of technology for buildings, he should have run for the Western Australian State Parliament because that's where the majority of those decisions are made, James. So it's just so you're saying that the decisions general level good work, Labor government.
Trying to make it a national issue. He's the one front and center.
Of COSGE, James, and it needs to be front and center of the national agenda because clearly the states aren't doing the job that's required. So don't give me this BS and try and shut down good people trying to come up with solutions to try and build homes for those people homeless. The reality is you lied to the people of this country by saying you could build one point two million.
Properties in five years. That's just utter bs. It's a lie.
I don't know a lie, but these houses.
Are being because you're going to fall at least two hundred thousand homes short of what you've projected. And that's a lie that hasn't just been told by Labor, It's been told by the Coalition during the election period, and you've been.
Caught out for it, but you will never admit it.
Instead, you just keep blowing this hot air up people's backside.
Yeah. Well, with that beautiful image and a lot of breaking news and a lot of stuff around, including a very long conversation about productivity. But I stand by it. You know, sometimes Droy wheatbeks not as tasty but important for the fiber. Thank you, guys, do appreciate it. We'll talk you again next week and again James the city of the details of that great place to go and see dumplings just across the road from the Skony studio there in Perth or right, quick break back with more
Nick Cator. There's a spectacular article that he wrote and we talked about last night, which is about how do we reach out beyond the generations to tell them there's a different way of doing things and just government taking responsibility for everything and all your choices off the table. I want to see it would be a good chair now.
I was inspired by something over the past few days while I had a couple of days off from work, and it was the writings of our next guest, the wonderful Nick Cata, Senior fellow at the means He's research center. But of course a man who's been in and around the Australian newspaper and the Scotty has family for a
long time. And I want to get you in the room to have the conversation off the article that you wrote and the quick summation of it was that you were talking about how and you did this beautifully where you framed there's this new senator coming in from South Australia, she's twenty three, twenty one, twenty one. And then Bob Catter, who's going to be the oldest member of the Parliament.
What's one hundred born in nineteen forty five, right, and the.
Golf of the countries that they grew up in that there's an absolute vast difference that we've been managing the decline for such a long period of time, so that the world view of a young person that ends up being an older person like Bob Catter or a young person like this senator. So is that a fair start
to the conversation. So where to and how do those of us on the center right have to start saying, not take for granted how the system should work, but actually show younger people the examples of how it can work better.
Yeah, well, you know, the young people are always saying you baby boomers had it easy.
Look and in a sense we did.
I mean, Bob Catter grew up in the sixties. He went first job in the sixties. When he first started work, we had growth rates of five, six, sometimes seven percent a year. Wow, And we had productivity growing and everything was looking fantastic. Opportunities were opening up. Now we have to stand up for generations. Ed easy to knock them and their TikTok videos and all that, but we're not
going to do that to stand up for them. They're growing up at a time when Treasury says the growth is going to be two percent for the next forty years. That's two thirds of what it's been for the last thirty. So we're telling them you're going to grow up in much harder times than we did. You're going to have fewer opportunities than we did.
Now.
I think that's the kind of defeatist attitude. I think we've got to save the World's your oyster. Take it away. You've got all the opportunities in life. Don't take it as of what Treasury is saying, this country can be great again if you just throw yourselves into it.
But have we slowly but surely boxed in younger generations to a certain way of thinking because of the overreach of the state. Not to mention the education systems, but in many ways, you know, young people are always left right. But it's this reliance and demand that government solves every single problem. And you make again this great point that you know, this twenty one year old you may well have been finishing school when we were telling people they
couldn't go to school because of COVID. COVID was a big part of their lives. Yes, it's about a tenth.
Of your life if you were twenty class it's about I don't know.
But that's the point.
You know, we've had this helicopter parenting idea, which is real. Right, parents are much more keeping an eye on their kids the whole time. We've now got the helicopter government which tells us everything we can and cannot do, regulates everything. And I think people have grown up in that era in this century. They come to think that's normal instead of as we did, well, we're just going to give it a go. You know, the world's your oyster. Your life is only as good as you're going to make it.
I don't think they have the same attitude today.
So how do we? Because again I'm committed to this idea of just like everyone else can do the generation wars, I'm not going to do it right because very obviously right demographically, you know, these groups are around longer than others, and we want to make sure that a country is
able to have as many positive days as possible. But it does feel like it is too easy just to write off a generation because of its taste in music, hairstyles, all of that old people's stuff, right, And by that I just mean old attitudes, right, not about particular ages.
So I understand that this message is important, But is this message best heard by people of a similar age, because pretty obviously you and I are not going to cut it with being able to perhaps connect with a twenty three year old as best as we used to.
Well, to be honest, it was a not so subtle message for the Liberal Party, Yeah, because the way they're going to revive themselves is to come back to what Robert Benzi's talking about, what John Howard talked about, which is aspiration. It's about saying we're going to get government off your backs and we're going to reduce regulations, we're going to reduce taxes, we're going to give you every opportunity to get on in life. I think that's what
the Liberal Party should be doing. It's this message of hope. It's a message that next year can be better than this year, that you can do better than your parents. Yes, we just took that as normal that we were going to be better off than our parents. As our parents took it that was normal that they'll be better off than their But honestly, with the way Treasury is forecasting the economy, I'm not at all confident that my children are going to finish up better than I did.
Sadly the same right, which is that look, you know, technologies mean that they're going to no more than perhaps I did at certain ages. But if their relationship to government every budget is what's in it for me? What's the handout? Every election? I mean literally, you think about it, right, every election is just about how much can you spend in order to cleave off a particular demographic. Then that's going to I don't want to live in that place, No, I don't want to get there.
No, no, exactly, but they're in that space. So sending an elect walker from South Australia who turned twenty one on on the election day. As it happens, she's going to be in the Senate, big supporter of Elbow's plan to take money off student debts. It's going to save them five and a half thousand, she said, five and a half thousand makes the difference between eating and not eating. Well, I think that's rubbish. I mean you and I know that's rubbish. But that's the line we're entitled to it.
No thought about well, if we take this money, who pays that tax? Who pays that tax? That it gets paid by working people. Mums are working and shopping centers, dads who are tradees. They're paying for these students who have a very good chances in life.
Thank you for the chat mate, it's brilliant. The article it's up on my Facebook page. Awesome and loved again. Good on your Niketa there in the man Cave. All right, quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live, including some more breaking news out of Tasmania. Honestly, now the most exciting politics talk at the moment is coming out of Tasmania because as you know, there was the
no confidence motion. The Premier well he's still the leader of the Liberal Party and thus went off to the Governor General tonight to say, all right, bugger this, I want to have an election. We spoke with ascelon aspen Blomfield a bit earlier tonight about what happened next, which is wild Paul.
All options remain on the table. Tasmania Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe has returned to Government House, just fifteen months after his previous trip, following a vote of no confidence in State Parliament. Mister Rockcliffe was in and out in forty five minutes, refusing to front reporters like he did last week.
We then received a.
Statement from Governor Barbara Baker following their conversation, Her Excellency is now taking the time necessary to give due consideration to all available options. By the end of the week, the Premier will meet with her Excellency again. Further statements will be made in due course. Now the Governor might accept the Premier's request for an early election, sending Tasmanians back to the poll for the fourth time in seven years.
She may send him back to the party room, asking Liberals to find another leader who can command the confidence of Parliament, or she could ask opposition leader Dean Winter to form a minority government with the Greens. Mister Winter has.
Repeatedly ruled that out.
It follows a dramatic week in state politics, which saw three independents and the Greens side with the opposition leader, the Labor speaker resign, multiple politicians write letters to the AFL, and a typo in emergency budget bills which could have left public servants empty handed. There's plenty of questions left unanswered, but one thing is for certain. The drama won't end anytime soon.
Thank you. Espin How rock and roll is this? Okay? The bloke who's got the largest number of seats loses the no confidence motion. The Labor Party kind of got what it wanted, which was to destabilize, but aren't able to form any sort of a coalition to be able to basically take over government without an election. The governor says, I'll get back to you by the end of the week. Obviously some sort of a pressure tactic to maybe change
the Liberal leader. Who knows, but Tazzi, politics is rock and roll and I'm going to talk about it every chance I get, and do some shows there because I love being there, especially in winter.