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Thank you very much, Harry. Happy Monday, public holiday for many, normal day for some, but most importantly, thank you for watching us as always right here regardless of what's happening on the calendar here on Paul Murray Live. Lots to get to tonight, including a great debate as always, But first the Canbra bubble and the people who guard the people inside the bubble, the Cambra Press Gallery. They tried
to tell us that no one cares about immigration. Andrew Giles, Yeah he should go, but the Prime Minister's awesome for keeping him around. No one cares. The same people told us that, jeez, this budget from Jim Chalmers, I'll tell you, Oh, it's going to win so many people over. I mean, it's just a series of master strokes because he's really dealing with the cost of living, when, of course the reality you and I both day was people hating competence.
That's what Andrew Giles is and people don't like Bs's which which is what Jim Chalmers is when it comes to his budget and the too little, too late to actually change anyone's life about cost of living. So surprise, surprise when the news poll dropped, surprisingly right in the middle of a long weekend for many. It showed a change in fortunes where Labor is falling back to basically where they were at the last election. But more importantly,
the two party preferred now fifty to fifty. Now, given the way that the one hundred and fifty odd seats of the Parliament where they are and the seventy six that you need to become a government, the Labor Party ends up going. Okay, fifty to fifty is not bad.
We're still in with a chance.
In fact, we would end up in the minority, but still we would get more people on the cross bench because of those damned teels. But fifty to fifty, Remember the Prime Minister said, I haven't lost a news poll yet. Well, you've got about as close as you can without actually losing a news poll. We'll see what happens again in
about a month's time. Primary vote, though ALP thirty three percent, Liberal Party in National Party together thirty nine percent really important because the coalition in traditional elections would get very close to winning an election with a thirty nine percent primary vote. Why I keep this up, guys, because I just want to go up and down these numbers for people. Because in the same way that you turn around and see if you add the Greens eleven to Labour's thirty three,
you'd get forty three percent. Well, if the majority of people who voted one nation ended up voting coalition, then of course that would end up as say forty five forty six percent. They would of course end up in front. So that question of other matters. Now, this can be everything from the left wing teel independence all the way through to the right wing freedom. Focused 're notited austrated party. But the central point is this, whichever way you plan
to vote this upcoming election, your preferences always matter. You should always put the party that ultimately you want to provide ministers and a prime minister, rather than put them all last put them all No, no, you can't do that if you do that, or you end up in a scenario where Labor because many other candidates basically little proxies for the Labor Party, a lot of preference whispering goes on where all of it basically goes back to the Labor Party. So if you are somebody who would like
to vote for your local independent for whatever reason. But then you'd really like the Liberal Party to be the government, well then you've got to put them a number two, and of course the same for Labor. Otherwise there is a chance that people who you think you're voting for are actually just all ways of distracting you from the vote that you really want to give. But more importantly, if an election was held right now, and it isn't, we're not in the middle of an election campaign. We are,
of course quite some distance from now. I thought there was a chance of one in and around August. But if the numbers stay like this, which there's no suggestion it would change, they'd lose five seats. That means they'd end up on seventy two seats. Yes, they would end up with more seats than the Coalition, who may well get into the very high sixties. But this would mean the Labor Party would need least four cross benches to form the seventy six seats required to become the government.
Where would they come from. Well, they can do a deal straight up with the Grands and bang they get their seventy six. Well they say they're not going to do that deal the Teals while they come from traditionally liberal seats, so why would they back them in. You don't think that Manik Ryan or many of the other pretty hardcore left wing and certainly in my view the
Victorian Teals. While they could end up providing two of the votes that are required, as for the other, which is six, you've got a scenario there of people like Rebecca Sharky from Center Alliance, Catter of course from Kata's Australia Party, You've got Wilkie, a whole bunch of other ones.
And then the actual list of cross Bench at the moment does also include two seats that are currently former Liberal or National people who decided to run away one Andrew g out of fear of the Teals coming for him at the next election, so he thought he could teal him self up, bizarre despite the primary vote he got at the last election in his seat. But still and then of course you have the Russell Broadbin who's annoyed that he's lost his preselection. So those seats are
assumed to go back to the coalition. So the numbers are really tight. They're really tight because of the lack of performance from the government on actually dealing with the issue that you care about, which is cost of living them telling you that a few crumbs off the table is the greatest meal you've ever had in your life. And the Australian public says, no, thanks for the cash, but no, it's not going to change my or anyone
else's world. And of course the incompetence of Andrew Giles, which we constantly kept being told by people inside the counter bubble no one is doesn't matter. Well, maybe they were paying attention to every single day where there was more evidence every single day that helped to build to the narrative. And I often talk about politics as narrative, not news. Good guys, bad guys, good ideas, bad ideas. And the narrative has well and truly been around the government.
And it happens to be true that incompetence is accepted inside the government because to admit failure in any way, shape or form would of course result in the weakening of a government. But of course the arrogance of not admitting their mistakes well has been rewarded with what you've
just seen in the polls. But it's just the polls now, Remember the polls told us that don't know was leading Anthony Abernezi as preferred Prime Minister about this long away from the last federal election, and it didn't quite turn out that way, did it. So just as we've said in twenty nineteen, nothing is inevitable, and I repeat it now to anyone who thinks they definitely know what's happening
at the next election. The most likely and most logical outcome is that we're going to be talking about minority government. Just how many people they have to go to the cross bench is the question between now and the election.
But you saw well a little bit of dare i say, misinformation that was being spread instantly by the left wing media who want to firstly demonize Dutton but secondly of course put the Liberal Party in a box it can't fight its way out of, to be too extreme two right wing, all of that stuff that they then write about as all the reasons why the Liberal Party is lost, and of course the embodiment of that is none other than Peter Dutton, the one that they will try to
turn out as Australia's version of Donald Trump, and Australians don't like Donald Trump, you get the point. And this was all because of headlines like this Dutton to pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement if elected. Now I've explained before the Paris Agreement is this, in my view, ludicrous global charter that says countries like Australia need to cut their emissions from the levels that were registered first
in two thousand and five. But countries like China are developing countries, you know, with space stations, but they don't have to start cutting their emissions until the number that they reach. In twenty thirty Australia is one percent of global emissions, China thirty percent and rising. So even if Australia did everything that was required of it, it still would of course be completely replaced by China and whatever
it wants to do for the next six years. But the mere suggestion that Evil Trumpy and Peter Dutton was going to pull out of the Paris Agreement resulted in a freak out that if you were paying attention at all to the news in the long weekend for most of the country, you would think they're doing what.
The Paris Accord's very clear.
You can't backslide, you can't reduce your commitments. So is mister Dutton proposing to leave the Paris Accord or is he just hoping no one notices at the moment the countries outside the Paris Accord are Libya, Yemen and Iran. Is mister Dutton proposing to take Australia into that company.
Pleader Dutton is walking away from climate action. His decision to abandon the twenty thirty target means him walking away from the Paris Accord. If you walk away from the Paris Accord, you'll be standing with Libya, Yemen and Iran. You can't shape the future if you're afraid.
Of jeez, do you think they worked this one out mention all of those countries. Nobody would ever want to be say that he's all this stuff right. So remember, most countries that are signed up to the Paris Accord, by their own admissions at this stage, are not going to be able to meet the targets that they've set sixties down the road by twenty thirty. Even left wingers would say that Australia is unlikely to be able to get to the elbow figure of forty three percent of
one percent in the next six years. Peter Dutton says ben goal for all signatories to the Paris Accord is, and it's zero twenty fifty, and he thinks that by things like nuclear power and a whole collection of other technologies, we will be able to reach net zero by twenty fifty and we won't have to really force the issue by twenty thirty. But of course lefties like the Greens and the Teals, well, they want us to be basically
net zero yesterday. So you see how automatically you get this scenario where despite the fact that the end point is agreed on, how we get there is always up for negotiation, because I hate to break it to you, no government is forever, No prime ministership is forever, but that end goal is not changing. And just because we may or may not deliver on what Albo says is the target, of course Albo is not the forever prime minister.
Should there be a change in prime minister, than that prime minister and their government would be able to set whatever target that they want. However, Anthony Abernici thinks he's outsmart at everyone with his forty tillywinks because he's passed a law and that law could never be changed unless, of course, there was a majority of people of the opposite political party who voted to do so because that's what they took to an election and they would be able to pass that law in the House and maybe
the Senate. But I again spend tonight where we kind of did last night by going back to the reality of this scare campaign. And the next time you hear someone somewhere echoing Peter Dutton's going to pull at Paris accord. Oh, here's on fire. He doesn't care about can armor change the way that he should? Let's go back to the source of this outrage. Peter Dutton did an interview with the Weekend Australian that was published on Saturday, start of a three day weekend for most of the country. So
it's okay if you didn't read it. I'm going to read you three paragraphs that apparently justified all of the outrage that you've just heard and all of the lies, the medi scale lies, lies that you will hear between now and the next federal election. Direct quote. He is committed to zero emissions by twenty fifty, but clearly twenty thirty and twenty thirty five targets are not going to bind a coalition's energy future, that being the legislative target
that Anthony Abernezi has said. Instead, Dutton says I'll go to an election saying look that zero is locked in stone, no question. But how we get there that's up for people to debate. The direct quote that again set their hair on fire. Well, they Labor just have no hope of achieving their targets, and there's no sense in signing up to targets that you don't have any prospect of achieving.
Oh wow, are you shaking in your boots? Does this sound like the guy who doesn't believe in climate change that's just going to start up a nuclear reactor on everyone's backyard. Third paragraph, We're not going to destroy agriculture. We're not going to stifle investment. We're already seeing investment being withdrawn. We're not going to create sovereign risk with our export partners as Labor is going to do with Japan and Korea. Mind blown?
Could you believe he said any of this? How outrageous.
He's not saying he doesn't believe in climate change. He's not saying climate change is crap. He's not saying, hey, let's all just start smoking coal. Seriously, those are the three paragraphs that informed the headlines. Which of course were all sputon by government spin doctors to pretend that they're going to pull out of the Paris Accord. But again they assume public holiday, you're not really paying attention. A few people are going to go He's going to do what?
And then, of course, once a lie has left the stable, and of course is treated like absolute truth by those wishing to spread the lie. Do I say misinformation that they would want to ban from the Internet if it was about them Q The PM.
Peter Dutton is worse than Scott Morrison on climate change. He is all negativity and no plan.
Ye, he's got a plan. You don't like the nuclear energy plan. He's got the same destination of Metzerra twenty fifty. The interim targets of thirty five and thirty are all movable. And remember none of it applies to China till twenty thirty and they pollute more than much of the Western world.
And even if we achieve everything the Greens wanted to do, guess what climate change would still affect all of the things that they are particularly concerned about, because China would produce all of what we take out of the atmosphere in about two weeks misinformation. I've got the receipts. Don't worry, I'll show you now. Guess what happened after the freak out of the past last twenty four and forty eight hours,
they came forward and clarified. Now this of course, will be referred to as a backflip by the media who printed labours Lie Today' Brian who was, of course the climate change alternative for the LMP. He'd be the climate change an energy minister quote, we remain committed to Paris and to net zero. Any shorter term targets will be informed by the state of our economy, the trajectory of our emissions, and our suite of policies. So what the
hell has the past couple of days been about. Someone somewhere read an interview with Peter Dutton in the Weekend Australian and went ahha. They spun it up into He's going to pull out of this international agreement and if so, make himself completely unelectable in any seage in the country that understands or cares or believes or knows about climate change, and thus being all of the country, he will reduce himself to a man who loses his own seat and
no Liberal will ever be elected ever. Again. Only problem is I read you exactly what was said. There is no reference to the Paris Agreement. The target conversation is about the federal government's target, which they have said. Paris didn't send it, the UN didn't send it. The Australian government sets it, which means we can dial it up and we can turn it down. That's the reality of
being a sovereign country. Now. Again, as I was skeptical about last night, I didn't quite fall in for the idea that this was definitely going to be the policy, because of course I went back and read the document.
It's taken me what fifteen minutes on tell you to explain all of it, But that arms you with the information the next time somebody tries to spread this garbage when inevitably Lefty Laura Tingle, who of course this is telling us that Peter Dubden's policy on immigration, which is slightly harsher but essentially kind of the same as the governments to cut the number that will cause riots in the street. You know that people who will be bidding in auctions will be turned upon by racist thugs. She
of course will turn around and repeat this idea. It was the mesty weekend for the Liberal Party as they were in and out and hokey pokey and were they and weren't they on the Paris Agreement. That's why I'm taking as much time to tell you that when you read that, when you see that, when you hear that, it's not true. Let's get the cost of living, the issue that we know that Australians care about every pole, every time, every night, every week, every month, because this
is about the quality of life that you have. And it doesn't matter if your kids have left the house, you still have to find money to pay the bills. It doesn't matter if you're in the prime of life with kids in and around school, or you're a young person who's trying to build a life. How much stuff costs always matters. And the absolute truth for this government is the absolute truth under the previous government, which is that government is not directly responsible for every price of
every item all the time. But this mob decided to weaponize it. It's part of the reason why they were able to overtake the previous government, become the government and assume that they would govern for the rest of our natural lives. What was that promise? Again, that's right, a
labor government will lower the cost of living. Yet by every measure over the past two years, all of it got worse than apparently the crisis point that we needed to change the government for this current Prime minister pointed at the former one and I'm not fighting last election. I'm just holding them accountable for the promises that they made, for the expectations that they set amongst the electorate. Dollars seventy five was way too high for petrol. Now it
would barely ever be under two bucks. And if it is, great, buy it up because it's going back to two dollars. But also the things that I think have informed the poles that we are now talking about that Funnily enough, much of the professional media, because you know, public holiday yesterday, when they get back to work tomorrow, we'll just pretend the polls didn't exist, because you know, the budget was awesome.
Of course Jim Chalmers, and they just never challenge him when he says things like this.
These national accounts, so we got the budget settings right. They justify our approach to fighting inflation and repairing the budget without smashing the economy.
Apart from the fact that the economy is smashed. Why do I say that, Because while Australia as an economy is not in an official recession, because for the past three months it grew by zero point one of a percent, the per capita recession, the one that you and I live in, has been one that has been going on for not one, not two, but five quarters, for the best part of an entire year and another three months.
And there are some parts of the media that occasionally will mention this and occasionally notice this while they're not trying to, you know, sort of lick the boots of the government to make sure that they still get their interviews and still get the information from inside the machine instead, believe it or not, even taxpayer media every now and then can tell the truth like a broken clock. It can be right twice a day as GDP stalls and the per capita recession deepens. But I didn't think we
had a per capita recession. We do economic parallels with the early nineteen nineties. Eerie now. Of course, anyone who was around in the early nineteen nineties can remember where the interest rates were. And of course we're not going to get any winning seventeen percent. But when this bloke was the Treasurer and ironically exactly the same age as
grim Jim, was it loose Jim? That's right? That profile really never explained what he meant about being loose in parliament when he was drinking anyway, that being, of course, Jim James. That well, the experience of a million people unemployed, high interest rates, all the rest of it, of course goes back to this bloke. Well, guess what cost of living? Yet again? Is another thing worth talking about over the nine papers. Two years of tightening our belts, how spending
habits have changed under Alberanzi. But I thought everything was cheaper under him. I thought everything was better. I thought there was nothing to see here. No one cares about how bad the budget was since Anthony Abernezi was voted into power. We've cut back on groceries by ten dollars to pay for other soaring expenses according to the National Accounts. That's the stuff I showed you last night. People have
also saved less to give them more budget room. The Commonwealth Bank's head of Australian Economics believes the extra money that people put aside during the pandemic should probably be
all gone by the end of the year. Now that's a problem because, as I've told you before, the number of people with less than one thousand dollars in the bank is very significant in Australia right now, the number of people who would not be able to pay for an emergency replacement of their fridge, or repair for their car, or their kids dental bill through the roof Bob nothing, No one cares. The budget was amazing. It's going to
win them the next election. Welcome to wobonomics. Where as long as they can fiddle the number, and I don't suggest fake the number, but I'm saying, you know, get a number that makes them look good, like zero point one percent of economic growth for the past three months, then everything will be okay. But the reality in your world is that a recession, which is two successive quarters in per capita terms, is now five. So we're on
our way to our third definition of a recession. Yet the politics, of course, is pretty volatile, because you've got the media spreading lies on behalf of the government that they prefer, pretending that what was entirely personal about the previous government it was Scott Morrison who personally was setting interest rates, but now they've gone up twelve times since
Albow came to power. It's all cyclical. It's Ukraine, it's Russia, it's the Northern Lights, and we're doing something about the cost of living, despite in fact it's the same people who took fifteen hundred dollars off all of those people who had no money in the bank in an automatic tax return, one that should have been extended until we were out of the times that we're currently in. They took that away last year. This year they're handing you back thirty six bucks a week, which for anyone is
not enough. And the patronizing tone of the people who weren't hundreds of thousands of dollars in the Parliament and pretty much the same by talking about it in the media.
Oh that'll be enough for them. It's not because apart from other things, all of the things that you pay for that's say the petrol bowser which has got tax in it, or alcohol which has got tax in it, or tobacco which has got tax in it, or you to name it that it's got tax in it, all of it goes up because the government keeps putting up
those taxes. So there is a giant gulf between how the government pretends the economy is awesome, but the reality of your life, you know, it's bs And there are even people inside labor world that are willing to say it. Bruce Walker has long given the labor perspective here on Sky News, and he notices exactly what I'm saying.
My view, and I think that's one that I maintained consistently as well, is that the government has to be dragging down interest rates and that means attacking inflation, and that until such time as that happens, I think there is going to be a lot of uncertainty in the polling, and people are going to be concerned that it's harder and harder for them to make ends meet. That's an
international problem. When those interest rates do come down, isssuming they do come down, then I think we'll get a better indication of where the two parties stand in the eyes of the electric What's really driving people's thinking at the moment is cost of living.
And what was it about all of the predictions about
when interest rates start to go down? Maybe November this year, on November next year, all right, let's get to what I know A lot of you are pete off about tonight, and I'm exactly the same as you, steaming how offensive it is that two of the worst leaders during COVID have received the highest possible honor, the same type of honor that is given to former Prime ministers or former Australians of the Year or people who cure cants are people who do incredible things that the world would notice.
The highest version of the Order of Australia. It goes to old mate Andrews and McGowan. Now, what is going to see you around the twist like me. Is not just that they've got the little gold thing on their jackets. That is very well earned by people who did it in the volunteer world. It is not earned by the politician. It's just the final thank you on top of the lifetime pension and you got away with it. That comes. It's the official citations that I wanted to read to you.
One of the reasons why Daniel Andrews and Mike McGowan got the highest possible honor like the former Prime Minister, former Governor General qubit cancer level quote for Daniel Andrews for eminent service to the people in Parliament of Victoria to public health, to policy and regulatory reform and to infrastructure development, to public health. Mark McGowan for eminent service to the people of Western Australia to public health, education
and international trade relations. Public health. Okay, the Victorian government had a quarantine system that was unlike every other state because contracts it broke, and ninety nine percent of all of the cases and all of the deaths that came out of that time are directly linked back to the
failures of hotel quarantine. But he's getting a medal. Mark McGowan was so defferent about his borders and let's keep the people out from the Eastern States that there was a young bloke in Sydney who was having mental health issues and he wanted to get back to Western Australia where his parents were, and he couldn't and he killed himself. And in both states there were people who died alone
because they keeping us. When, of course, even with all of the vaccination that's happened, more people die of COVID or with COVID now than at the height of all of those times. It's despicable that these people got this recognition. It's despicable that all of the people who suffered, and I mean like the guy who couldn't get home and he killed himself, or the people who died alone without their family members around them because it would be too great a risk for somebody to hold their hand while
they died, that these bustards get a gold medal. It's the final fu to all of us who knew what they were doing was wrong, the final way of rubbing our noses in it that if you are a certain person, of a certain standing, of a certain power, you get away with it. You get to laugh at all of the people who called you out because you're the winner who left on their own terms and then got a gold medal. Well on the behalf of all of the people who are absolutely flummixed that these two blokes got
gold medals. Screw you both. Your memory of what you did to your people is nothing to be proud of. Here's some of the people fellow people annoyed at this announcement.
So we are now giving the highest civilian award to an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I would like to know why it took so quickly and whether in fact there has been political interference in him being granted this award.
But parliamentarians are painted to a job and what we need awards now to tell us that we're doing a job. I don't believe in the award system for these Shining Day honors. I think they've gone right off their head. I'll be honest with you, and they should be given out there to every day Australia. He's not politicians. We're paid to do the job anyway. You don't get awards. We're all grown ups now. It's not a race.
Just get the job done.
Does anyone think Jackie Lamby's going to turn hers down at the end of her political career. We'll keep the tape quick break back with more plea to talk about here on Paul Murray Live. Lively debate is ahead if you'd like to send me an email Paultzgunews dot com dot AU. Screw you Andrews, screw you mcgower, Thank you
so much for watching. Let's get into the conversation right now so that Matt Canavan has enjoyed nothing but a wonderful weekend in Queensland with the family and he's ready to fire up this evening, as is the delightful Linda Scott, who I've got to say lots of time I spent in the city of Sydney over the past couple of days Sydney Film Festival, etc.
Etc.
Love you to see you, my friend, So great to be here. All right, now, let's get to the Paris Agreement. So I had to take some time to explain three paragraphs of an interview in the Australian newspaper, which clearly are about the forty three percent target that labor just
dialed up from where the previous government was. Is not pulling out of the Paris Agreement, despite how excited some people may be, because as I have said, my issue with the Paris Agreement is that our one percent of the world's problem, we must do things compared to two thousand and five. But China can keep doing what it wants to do with thirty percent of the emissions and nothing kicks in until twenty thirty for them. So I
will start with you, Matt. There must have been a small part of you that was going, we're pulling out of it. How good's this? You're not going to be pulling out of it, So how do you feel about where it sits now.
Well, Paul, I slightly disagree with you here.
The Paris Agreement does clearly say that governments can't backtrack from the commitments. It makes so because labor has formally now increased our target under that agreement. Notionally, a black and white reading of the text of the Paris Agreement means that the only way we can pull out way, sorry, the only way we can reduce our missions target is.
To pull out.
Now, this just shows how absurd this agreement is, because what it's effectively saying is that the sovereign parliaments democratically elected by a government have to be subservient to an international agreement signed back in twenty fifteen, and so potentially this binds all future parliaments no matter what you vote for, it's all useless. It doesn't matter who you vote for, apparently because of this agreement.
Now.
Of course, in reality, governments around the world just ignoring this text because there is no consequences to.
Not complying with it.
And so I think what would invariably happen if a coalition government's elected is, yes, we wouldn't target the forty three percent. Okay, some would say, oh, you're in breach of Paris. Well, every other country in the world is. But ultimately, this is an absurd agreement. We should get out of it because it is handcuffing, it cuffing us. It does dictate the rules to our bureaucrats, who are increasingly putting the stop to major investments in this country that can help our productivity.
God do we need that.
And so ever since we've signed up to net zero, we've had high prices, higher electricity prices, shocking levels of productivity and therefore lower real wage growth. We've got to pull out this thing and ignore it, just like the rest of the world does.
I am going to simultaneously agree and push back on what you've just said in a second. But Linda, the politics here. You could see someone somewhere PM's office whatever has gone that means pull out of Paris, quick, off we go, CITDNY Morning Held, others run the headline Prime Minister's out. He's worse than ab but he's worse than Morrison, and sort of their fantasies of sort of this trumpy
and alternative that exists right now was being presented. I think the evidence is clear that they haven't said that, But when you first heard about it, did you think, are they really going to do this?
Look, here's what the Paris Agreement means.
It means that there's a global race on for clean tech, jobs, for innovation, for critical materials, to build the infrastructure that we need to ensure that we can be part of creating a better, cleaner, cheaper energy future. And we have heard tonight from Matt Canavan that the opposition is declaring they're pulling out of that race for critical.
Minerals, for jobs, for innovations.
Wish I spoke for them.
He's not a.
Membo over his shoulder, you know where. He's really clear about how much he doesn't want to get zero. And he's Matt Canavan. I'm just simply repeating back what he continues to say about this.
But in not having a bipartisan you disb me.
You did verbal me because you were saying that you did verbal me to just apologize because you said, but the coalition would do that.
You can say I did that, but you did not say that. You didn't know that.
Position about the Paris Agreement and climate targets. Generally, what that does is put Australia's position in the race for clean energy job on the line. It means they're at risk and that is a big problem that Australians in every corner of the nation should be very concerned about. We know the coalition's proposal for nuclear energy is going to take decades, it's more expensive. Independent agencies like the CSIRO have.
Said this to us.
It is the wrong energy policy for the future and the government is right to call out Peter Dutton for this.
The government is trying to take that in the post incompetence into it's back in our favor because as soon as we say ogo will go that I don't believe in climate change, then suddenly everyone is going to run back in the direction which brings me to where I am him at, which is I agree with what you say my personal opinion, right, but I am in charge
of nothing. I'm just here having the national having the conversation that we do and have for a very long time and fingers crossed for a very long time into the future, right. But I don't know where the politics is right. I think one of the reasons why they can't pull out of the Paris Agreement is because you want to win seats in order to get near government of Gilmore Lyons Lingiari, Bentelong, Higgins, Robertson, Tangy boothby McEwan Patterson.
That's the ten most vulnerable seats for the Labor Party without losing the ten seats for the Liberal Party, which is Deacon stertin Moore, Means's, Bass, Casey Dixon, where the leader is of course Kawper in New South Wales, Monash and Longman. So my point is I agree with you, but I don't know where the politics is on this that I think the politics on breaking Paris or walking away from Paris could see the trajectory change because of how,
in my view it will be actively misinterpreted. What do you think.
I think you're making us far too complicated, and I'm on the side of the truth. I think that the truth, the truth is the best policy, The truth is the best political strategy.
We should have the courage to tell people the truth.
And I think Australians doing it really tough right now, and they're ready to hear politicians who are willing to tell the truth, even if that truth is a little bit tough to hear, even if it might shatter some of their preconceived ideas, because we can see the consequences of the lies we've been telling each other for the last few years. We have been lying about saying that look in that zero is easy, it's not going to cost any money. You're actually going to save two hundred
and seventy five dollars off your power bills. They're the lies that we're told to the Australian people, and now we can see in front of our face the consequence of those lies. We have standards of living that have gone back to the year twenty eleven. People have gone back ten years. People's country can't afford a home. Young people have no future to be able to afford a home. Power prices of skyrocketing, and manufacturing industries. Every week there's
another major manufacturer leaving our shores. People can see that, and I think they're ready for the truth. So let's stop all this. Oh we want to win that seat in this seat, and we've got to say this kind of white lie and that let's just tell the truth. And I reckon, just like Tony did back in twenty ten when he told the truth about the carbon tax and all the political class that he was moronic and terrible and hopeless. He nearly won, effectively won the twenty
ten election. We could do the same if we just had the courage to tell people the truth.
Now I admire the balls it takes to be as direct as Matt just was. Right, not because I agree and I've said that I agree with the whole Paris situation, but you know, nobody speaks as honestly about their own team as he just did then, And good on you for doing it, but I really appreciate it. But Linda, it brings me to the final point right about Paris. Now,
I understand what is happening in the world. I understand what the consequences are of seven billion people and the industrial revolution, all of the different I understand right what is happening. But I also understand that Australia is going to have one hand tied behind its back while China can pollute whatever it wants thirty times more than us right now until twenty thirty to solve forty three of one percent of the world's problem. Well, does that seem like a fair deal?
It is the deal that the world has come to, and it is the job that sets the rules that means that we're in a race for these jobs. And Senator Canvan, you know Australians are smarter than you.
Give them credit for. I know you are smart, and I know you know.
That correlation does not equal causation, and I know you know full well that the economic global pressures that you're describing are not as a result of the energy transition that Australia is making. This is a global energy transition in a race for jobs, and this is a global set of economics inflation across the world as a result of COVID and trying to pretend that those things go together.
COVID false and.
Change light bulbs in Australia changes the pollution China is putting into the atmosphere that in.
Going back for that, we're responsible for our own pollution. And let's just be clear.
I'll get.
Use all the time government, Matt, and I know you love genuinely.
I know you've got a lot of respect for the local government. When you invest in prevention infrastructure, like retrofitting your surf clubs so that they can also be evacuation centers in a disaster, one dollar for that saves eight dollars for governments down the line for the destruction of those kinds of places prevention and mitigation.
The storm is still going to happen because China in.
The future, right, and let's be very clear, it's the same clear climate that you are.
You are and ignores it.
It will cost Australians, it will cost the world more. This is backwards economics and putting forward.
I just want China to be held to our standards and then we can have a conversation about moving.
But that's not.
It's also a bond.
Also, it doesn't matter what you do in yours, that's mine does matter.
It's also important. It's not just China. It's not just China.
Last year, the US produced more oil than any country in any year ever.
Yep, that was under the Biden stress and we look it up.
I'm not telling Trump they produced more last year than any country in any year.
Super there.
If it's if Trump with America, polling says where the silly wrecker as well? So, and that's what I think is also part of the political back and forth. Year is about you know, the biggest the biggest bear on our side of global politics, right is the United States. Currently Biden elbow in the same place. If Biden goes and Trump replaces, then guess what it's not going to be where Biden is right now on climate change, quick
break back, but more lots to talk about. I promised that we're more than one subject that I wanted to If you can take it, you can take it on a Monday night, Thanks for watching. Thank you so much for watching. Matt canavan to Scott and you at home exactly the way that we like at this particular Monday night. So Newspole tells us that things are back to fifty
fifty now. One of the reasons why the Prime Minister's turned around and said, oh, I'm in a rule forever is I've never lost a newspoll, which that's never been a problem for a Prime minister in the past, setting news poll as the sole determinant of things. But still coalition vote thirty nine percent with preference discipline put simply out of One Nation or United Australia party. That's pretty damn competitive. However, of course, the race to seventy six
seats is all about the endgame. The tials would be an issue there. But Matt, I want to ask you again, you know people who would consider themselves much smarter than little old me told us. No one cares about the Andrew Giles stuff. The budget was fantastic, you know, the economy still moving on. Are we starting to see people just not buying the bs anymore? Or frankly, there is not an election this weekend, so you can say whatever you want and then we'll see what happens when it
actually counts. How have you interpreted the numbers?
Look, I think this government's on thin ice with people, and they're primarily on thin ice because they haven't lived up to the promises they made to the Australian people. They said Anthony Elbernezi said it would be easier under him. He said things would be cheaper under him, and clearly they haven't been. We've had record or inflation we haven't seen for a generation, as I said before, real wages
going back to twenty eleven levels. People have gone back more than a decade in just the two years of this government. So that's principally the reason they're on thin ice. And then look, yes, on top of that, you've had this scandal and look, I can't think of a scandal that's been of greater controversy or greater real world impacts here.
I mean, you've had a government.
Decide a policy, this so called Direction ninety nine, which has allowed the most heinous criminals to stay in this country when they should have been shipped off back to the country of their origin. I mean, these are I mean, it's it's sickening to read the accounts here of these criminals. Criminals have bashed their partners, they've they've they've committed the most heinous sex and I'm going to describe against their
children or step children. And this government has been responsible for doing that, this minister, and.
Then he's been defended. And I mean, what do you have to do to be sacked?
I mean that's my Almost.
Every minutes have been sacked the last few years has been sacked the less. And I think that's my top of the top of what the broken promises.
It really is. I think a tough time for this government. They're on thin ice.
Like I think it's a rude awakening about their strategy. Their strategy which is, no matter how obvious, defend, you know, just just put up the wall, never admit defeats. So therefore, eventually people just get tired of trying to mount an attack. It's not going to work because people are watching and as you defend the indefensible, you start to fall into a hole. Let's not get into that. We can do
that another time in our life. Dagiel Er, Andrews and Mark mcgowantt Now I know that basically every high ranking official ends up with a little gold medal at some point in time. As premiers, they are entitled to it. But again, good ones, bad ones, They've all got it. It's the citation for public health that sends me legit real world DNA angry because of the people who died alone, the people who couldn't cross borders and end up taking
their own lot. There was all of that stuff, right, and yes that was and that was all considered to be less than whether the blob was going to come around and get everyone. Shouldn't they just be cited as former premier. We don't need to start to put on their version of a CV as the reason why they get the gold medal.
I'm obviously not on the Australia Day Council, so that's a matter for them. They make recommendations that are pretty independent to the governor General, who then, of course, I think, has to sign them off.
I do think that it's important.
To have Australia Day honors and honors over the King's Birthday. I think they're a lovely way of recognizing people's service. I hear and respect the calls about the need for sort of the reflection of community members in that, and I certainly know I want to be really fair about this. I know a lot of politicians on both sides who've turned down their offers of Australia's awards.
And so I hear.
I mean, of course there were liberal politicians honored this. I think there are announced this morning, so there were liberal politicians in the list. So I don't think they can kind of make parties and claims because there certainly were liberals in there that I actually thought were really well deserving of their awards.
That they were given.
I also think there's a really important national COVID inquiry happening.
I gave evidence before it the other day. The impact online governments.
Well, you know, I think it's important that we have this COVID inquiry. I think it is important that we examine how Australia would respond if there were another significant natural disaster.
That covered the whole nation or COVID. So you know, I welcome their awards. Congratulations to them, Congratulations with politicians. It's good.
You're too kind on these matters. You are too kind. I think I've got a little about twenty seconds for you, Matt on this one. This one. Look again, if one came just premature.
These awards are premature. They should have been made to sit through a royal commission in public, as you say, and let's just see what everything came out before they got these awards. But it's too late for that. There's a whitewash going on on that inquiry as well. Next setting week, next setting week, I'll introduce a bill to establish a Commission of Inquiry onto COVID.
It's the bottom of it.
I probably won't get the support as usual, but love the support of your viewers in your shape, ul well.
That's it, God love you well. Get in touch with him. Virus website. All the socials given the strength of the arm and then when it's introduced in the Parliament, we'll give you the number and you can call all of the senators and keep them all on watch. That's a really good thing. We'll make sure that the army is behind you. Oh, he said, army. That means it's a realization of our politics. No, it was a metaphor. See tomorrow.
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