From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live Sag your gang, Happy Sunday wherever you're happy to be. Thank you so much for Caleb Bond for filling in on Thursday night. And of course, Happy Birthday is water my beautiful friend is Abella thirty one a day. Now. I loved when two things could be true at the same time. Now, as you know, there is one word that starts with tea. That is a bit of a swear these days, because the tea word is used by an orange man. An orange man.
Bad tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariff, tarriffs, tariffs, and tariffs tariffs, tariff, tariffs, tariff.
And just this weekend, that bad orange Man decided that he was going to increase the tariffs on all steel imported into the United States from every other part of the globe to twenty five percent. Remember orange Man Bad.
An extraordinary escalation from the US president doubling tariffs on steel and aluminum imports.
President Donald Trump vowed to double the tariff on stealing ports.
The Australian steel industry is reeling tonight after Donald Trump extended his trade war by doubling steel tariffs to fifty percent.
Now American work is in the steel industry. Love this Why because cheap crap from overseas ends up costing more because this extra tax when it crosses your borders increases the price. Remember, Orange Man Bad.
There's a lot of jobs here, there's more coming now, and there's going to be a lot of more demand, you know, with the tariffs and everything that he's doing. I think the tariffs are a very good decision. Go Trump, thank you so much.
So as we know, the word tariff is really tax, a little bit like levy. And if you put a charge on top of everything that crosses your borders, apparently the rest of the world does not like it. This is an old school way of playing trade in a global economy where slave labor makes things in one part of Southeast Asia, and then the western world of course demands it must be used by, among other things, government
when it comes to say energy. But of course, when it comes to this specific situation, when it comes to tariffs and Trump, an orange Man Bad is that essentially putting a tax on something is unfair because it means that the idea of international and free trade is fundamentally at risk, and we know that there are many people in Australia who hate any idea of a tariff, because are you listening orange Man bad?
The application of these new tariffs is certainly not the act of a friend.
It's certainly a hiccup, and it's certainly a problem when you have a trading nation that is a good friend who I think is harmly not only us but themselves. This is an act of economic self harm by the United States that will increase the costs for consumers in the United States.
Already seen steel prices rise in the United States and they'll probably go up more. So this will impact American consumers more than it will impact the rest.
Of the world. So if you cook the ticket, bad, if you add attacks on top of a good simply because it comes from somewhere else, bad, orange Man bad. Can I say that as many times as that sunk in orange Man band terrible policy? Tariff's awful evil, unless, of course you want to do it in the name of the environment and the government who is considering doing this our government, Now remember orange Man bad for increasing tariffs on steel from Australia going into the United States.
Well amazingly today Chris Bowen is openly talking about the idea of introducing tariff. If the things that come into this country from the rest of the world are carbon intensive, ie, if they pollute when they are being made, then a tax will be paid before it comes into the country. Now, remember everything that is true about tariff's when it comes to Donald Trump is exactly the same here. Right, tariffs are bad because it makes everything more expensive. This makes
everything more expensive. And if you think it's just some crazy right wing talking point, here is the man on Taxpayer TV talking about the very issue today.
I know you've been looking at the option of Australia imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism as the Europeans are looking at. Is what's you thinking on that at the moment.
Well, we've been again clear that we want to ensure Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world. As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers. Those papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in the short term, but there are things we can think about in the medium to long term. And obviously that's something I'll continue to progress this term with my cabinet colleagues.
So not know not thanks for the idea. We've been doing the homework on this very idea. Now they say it's noble because to put it five, ten, twenty percent tax on everything that's important into the country. If it has some connection to an increase in emissions around the world, well that would of course increase the price here in Australia in exactly the same way that the Orange Man bad tariffs increase the price of things like Australian steel
being bought in the United States. Now this is really fat because, as we know the Orange Band Bad narrative, the tariffs equal tax, tariffs equal increase in prices and end up being paid by the in this case American consumer at a period of time where the inflation worries of the past couple of years have started to cool down. That essentially a ten percent increase in something like steel
would eventually feedback into an increase in inflation. Now, it wouldn't surprise me if the people who in twenty twenty two promised a bit of cost of living but actually it got worse for three years who then got re elected in twenty twenty five saying again that they're doing something about cost of living, but then are equally at the same time talking about a policy of increasing the cost of things being imported into the country because of how they are made, what they are made from, and
what the effect is effect is on the planet. That will mean prices will rise. Now, some people say that we are past the point of no return where people are willing to pay anything to save the planet. But proportionality and reality does actually have to stick here, and I don't care what the political consequences are. The reality is is that Australia is one percent of the global problem.
Remember we talk about the climate clock, where for the past few nights have shown you that graphic of all of the different countries and how much they produce when it comes to carbon emissions. If it was midday and that's nothing, we go to China, it's quarter past. We go to the rest of the developing world or the
global south. That gets you a half past the climate clock Russia, India, United States quarter two, So there's only fifteen minutes of the climate clock that is anywhere near as aggressive about trying to do something about the problem as the forty five minutes that are actively continuing to wipe out any and everything that we do here. So not only are we going to have a scenario where, because we want to set a good example, electricity goes
through the roof, the landscape gets torn apart. We need to increase the cost of everything because if it's important from somewhere else and it has an effect on the environment, we have to do that because if we do this, we'll be able to stop bushfires and floods and droughts from ever happening. Again, when we are one minute of the sixty minutes of the climate clock, where what China produces in sixteen days is what we produce in an entire year, doesn't mean we don't do anything, of course,
not doesn't mean we try and do our bit. But if part of doing our bit is increasing the cost of things we are importing to the country by ten percent, and depending on the month, Australia can often import more than we export to the rest of the world. And then again, if the idea of an export of something like steel is unfair, if somebody else puts a twenty five percent tax on it, to go into a place
like the United States. Imagine there were other countries that decided to turn and put in carbon taxes on imports. Well Ustralian mining sector. How deeply would this be effected Now again, it wouldn't be paid in the borders here, but the cost of the product would be ten, twenty, thirty, fifty percent. It's up to the government how they said
it once it crosses the line into another country. This was all open today, not a big chat during the election campaign, because god forbid, we talked about big things like this. No, we're to talk about Petty Dutton being an augur booger character on social media. We were distracted by attributing different things. And the majority of the country, well a third of the country and then a third of the country with its preferences, decided to pick the way that it has. And the government is now double
any other number inside the parliament. So they will just think, whatever may, we can get away with anything, and maybe they can. But you would think someone somewhere would have made a point here that this government on this watch, in this term already they are going to set a climate target of twenty thirty five people inside the Labor Party want that anywhere up to seventy five percent, which is the same level as where the teals are, where
the greens were a few years ago. Plus an increase to eighty three percent of all of our energy coming from renewables, and the billions of dollars that it costs to get to that system, plus five, ten, twenty, I don't know what the number is percent increase in the price of everything important into the country. That's one hell of a cost of transition. But apparently this government thinks we're one We're one big, which means bugger any and anyone else, but we're here for the little guy when
it comes to the cost of living. Now. Also speaking of the cost of transition, interesting little bit of detail in the past couple of days, including that obviously some of the decisions that the Labor Party has made, and they deserve credit for this, which is that they have decided to double down on gas as basically being the firming technology to make sure that that is what will eventually power the nation when the wind doesn't blow and
the sun doesn't shine. Notice that many state governments are moving to this position as well, so again they may well think that's it all done. But of course the cost of transition, which I will remain focused on, regardless of how many seats there are or aren't in the parliament. It's not an irrelevant issue because people will have to bear the cost. They tell us that they care, but then sometimes they've an inferant direction, so who knows where
they actually feel. But I certainly know how the majority of people who'd be watching this would be failing, which is okay, cool, find a doom a bit. But how much more is this going to cost? And for how long? Or the construction of renewables is of course one hundreds of billions of dollars. The CSAI a few years ago put it at one t for trillion dollars once you connect it all up with wires. Interesting note that apparently the cost of transition to the renewable grid in Victoria
is blowing out by at least sixteen billion dollars. The total cost to households and businesses to upgrade the Victoria's electricity grid required to support the shift of renewable energy will now be more than four times the four point three billion dollar figure that's set out in the transition roadmap which was unveiled last month. So these numbers already four times higher than a report that came out last month. Experts say we're now looking at best about a twenty
billion dollars. The minister who's responsible for all this released that plan fifteen years four point three billion dollars. But then someone smart decided to go to page ninety five of vic Grid's one hundred and twelve page document and it does not account for several critical transmission projects, including the Western Renewables Link which links Victoria and New South Wales, the Interconnector West and the Marinus Link which takes you to the hydropower of Tasmania. All of that would be
more than sixteen billion dollars. So the headline is, how good is this? We're reshaping the world. It's turning going to cost us four point three actually looking the fine point and it's now sixteen billion dollars. Nothing to see here, nothing at all. Back to the Libs and we know that the new Liberal leader, the new Opposition leader, susin' lee is making her bit to try to get as many people to be introduced to her as possible, and
as she's done interviews basically every TV station. I like that she's writing opinion pieces for lots of different newspapers, and I'll get the one that she wrote just this weekend. But there's this very silly term. And I say silly term because this is one of these things that a whole bunch of cool people all use it once and you've never heard it before. It's called the glass cliff. Susan Lee is the answer, then, well, it's a very interesting thing, isn't it. When I think whenever a woman gets.
A post like this, it's it's always like, oh, here's the job nobody else wanted. Glass cliff, which is the cousin of the glass seal. I have a funny view on that, like I think, yes, it's clearly a factor, but equally men would have wanted this job right now too, Like there is obviously a hunger for this job.
I can't understand the take though, I mean, oh I do too.
So again glass seailing. And that's the reason why women get to a certain point and then not able to go any further due to the evils of the patriarchy. And then the glass cliff being the version where well, now that you are at the top, see you later. Susan Lee has taken this front on and good on her for doing so in the piece that she wrote
for the Financial Review. And again I like that. Slowly but surely, in the early days of leadership, you go to as many different places as possible and you just state an introduction many years before every people have to make a decision about whether they want to change from what they did. Obviously, just a few weeks ago, no one told me about glass cliffs when they placed ads in regional papers across the country to try and land a job of one of the first Australian female mustering pilots.
No one warn me about a glass cliff when I went to UNI with a baby and a capsule as their family struggled to make ends meet. No one asked me about glass cliffs when I hooked up my caravan painted at Liberal blue and drove around the Murray to run for Parliament. As for glass cliffs, I couldn't give a staff. And then she finishes on the metaphor of being a pilot. Cliffs don't matter when you have wings. Good.
I love this stuff. Fight Fight, Fight where this term again, it may well have existed in the universities for a long time and in fashionable parts of the incidet but in terms of common news language, had you heard of glass Cliff of recent weeks, let alone months? Potentially even years? But no? Mainlined is a way of trying to say the Liberals have a problem with women. You don't have a female leader. Yeah, but asterisk there. Of course, fundamental
problem is the Liberal Party. They don't want to engage with full of ideas about what they need to do, how they need to change direction about what they should mean. None of those people with an interest in actually voting
for them. Hence why basically they turn around and say, hey, can you be the left of Australian politics, but just just wear different clothes, because of course then they get the result that they want, which is no opposition to things like increasing prices by ten percent because of the carbon intensive nature, or of the goods that are like a fridge or a car that's made overseas because we don't make that stuff here because electricity is very expensive.
And why is that at the moment? Well, also, you may all have heard the term and I'm very sure I've avoided using the labor lights term in relation to the coalition not being Goldilocks enough when it comes to the type of politics that's practiced in Australia right now. But interesting next time you hear this being said. Now, I know that everything's under review, and in my view,
everything should be under review. Why because hey, you lost twice, you lost thirty seats, pretty obviously you should you put the car up on the hoist and have a quick little look around, double check. Oh we've only got three wheels, you know. Not a bad idea. But for those that are saying I think are immediately going to run to the left. Okay, guess what the immigration spokesperson's out in about in the past couple of days, and clearly he's
got some free rain to say what he thinks. He's standing by the position, which is that Australian needs to car cut cut immigration. Why because the more people who are here, a fewer houses that there are, etc. Etc. So just be careful of the people in all directions. A bit far this way, a bit far that way, be more like me. Look who knows where they land?
And free advice is what you pay for it, right, But I love the idea, particularly of the left, always all these ideas, but they were never going to vote anyway, Right, the conversation, yes, has to start at a nucleus with those of us who did vote. But then clearly there's a third of the country that is winnable and what
is it that they're into long process? As I've said, I'm going to be a little bit dangerous where I'm going to trust you as a fellow adult, we can have an adult conversation where sometimes there are just questions, not a direct answer, sometimes wondering out loud. That's going
to be the journey for the next little while. Believe me, when the government does the wrong thing, you don't think I'm going to be first in line, first in line, But they make no decisions apart from potentially increasing the cost of everything, and that won't even be the front page of the paper tomorrow anyway. Also, when it comes to the economy, I've got a bit on that as well here for you, which is because of recent natural
weather events thanks to the pollution in China. According to the logic of the government, there's going to be some increases when it comes to dairy products, milk and butter prices are going to go up. That of course may well feed into inflation. Inflation feeds into whether they do or don't cut interest rates. There was some inflation numbers last week. I didn't get a chance to mention before I had a long weekend. Thank you again to Caleb
for filling in. Well, yes, two point four percent, great, it's between two and three. That means hunky dory economy fixed right, not quite. Tobacco in the month of April up twelve percent, gas another household fuels up six percent, fruit and vege up six percent, like double average inflation, holiday and accommodation rents, non alcoholic beverages, all of those
things were higher when it came to the number. When it comes to inflation, if you start to add in things like and increase in all goods because they're made somewhere else, they're carbon intensive, and they come into the country with a carbon tariff, inflation would go up. And then the RBA does what with interest rates? Again? You
know not that it's not that it's all connected now. Also, when we were talking before about a population right again, you know, hundreds of thousands of people extra being brought into the country. Again, I don't care where they're from. I certainly care that they want to love this country. As much as everyone else who's been here for two minutes or tens of thousands of years, right, love the
joint that's the simple rules. But of course the problem is there's not enough infrastructure for the existing twenty seven million people, let alonely forty something million people that we're going to get to. And even with forty million people paying tax, we're still going to be running record budget deficits. This year. It's a one trining dollars. By the end of this electoral cycle, it's one point two, with no budget survices being forecast for the next forty years. Guess
what that's going to mean. One treating becomes two, becomes three. But whatever modern monetary theory, it doesn't matter. Well, despite the fact of extra hundreds of thousands of people coming into the country, guess how many building approvals for more houses, more units, for more people to be able to buy, let alone the children of the people who are already here, myself included, for their ability to go and buy a house for themselves. Total new homes approved in April less
than ten thousand new units, less than five thousand. Nothing to see here, nothing at all. Right, It's all just one giant scare from the right wing, apart from the reality that that is the way that things are now right crazy. Also we're talking about here too, is there is a big issue for workers all over the place
and it is AI. Now, if anything one has used chat, GPT or you're fooling around on Facebook, WhatsApp, whatever, and you say, hey, make a cartoon of in this case, Paul Murray from scott News smoking a cigar while riding a bicycle, feel free. Well, look what happens. It'll take a couple of seconds, and this thing looks like something that somebody took a whole day to make can be made in like five seconds. The power of this is unbelievable.
But the reality is is that if you are and I've got mates that are doing this now, they are experimenting with chat GPT in particular where there are people who are able to ask at legal questions and it will quickly spit back legal answer. Had a great conversation with a couple of days ago who was talking about their small business and tax and basically was just talking to a computer and it was giving them the advice
of account of an accountant or a financial planner. Now, obviously that just arms you as a consumer in the same way that you know decades ago you may have had no idea what you're doing when it comes to buying a car, because you couldn't compare what the cost of the Toyota CAMERI was at this dealership versus the one on the other side of town, lit alone the
one on the other side of the country. And then of course to things like carsales dot Com that I you your ability to go h okay, like a ninety five Subaru is worth this much, I want to get a jeep wrangler. From a couple of years, you're basically able to work out what the market is well. AI is able to fit into lots of these different areas, but there's no one on the other side. It's just computer talking to computer and more computers talking, and more
computers talking to more computers. Where the level of information is lightning fast, and we are seeing all sorts of industries that are the polite term is disrupted, But the reality is lots of losing their jobs, like entry level lawyer stuff, entry level taxation stuff, and in the creative industries, there's a whole bunch of jobs which are being thrown against the wall. Now, yes, the endgame is you know, presumably you know, computer TV, station, TV, broadcast, and it's
maybe that's where it goes. Maybe there's a whole movie that's completely fake and the human being was involved in it. I don't know. Maybe, but there's so many steps between now and then. And while this stuff is fun to play with onion and Friday night, couple of cans and hey, what about this? What about that? Put this person's head
on this person's body? You know, okay, fine. The Guardian wrote something interesting about this, interesting about this this week, which was about how in particularly the creative industries, but we're talking about in lots of different countries young people are losing their jobs too, frankly the computer and I know that this has happened on the factory floor and now that it's hard at hitting white collar people, it'll be a big news issue, but still just worth talking about.
Next time you sort of hear all the ups and downs of AI and you know, maybe I'm a little fearful of the cybernet terminated too style conclusion of where all of this goes and computers one day turn around and say, you know what the problem with the planet is people anyway. I'm joking. Relax, fact checkers, I'm just joking, wondering out loud if you will. A bloke is a journalist in Poland told The Turnbull Times. I was let go in August twenty twenty four along with a dozen
co workers who were working part time. They were working at a radio station and the radio station apparently had financial problems. He was pretty okay with all of this, but then a few months later he noticed that there were programs which were being hosted by computers replacing human beings making radio shows. Wow, I've seen some of this AI stuff where basically you can get a computer to give sports scores on the radio or traffic on the radio. Perfect.
You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Seriously, you would not be able to tell the difference. This lady is an illustrator in Indonesia. I used to work at a small studio and do storyboard artists for TV commercials. So you may know what that is, but if anyone doesn't know what a storyboard is, Basically, before you get the finished product, you draw the scenes before you then go and animate the scenes. It's a way of being
able to work out that. Okay, you know, man walks into room, camera change, man walks over to this side of room. That sort of stuff, right, She's send colleagues lose jobs. Even those who've kept their jobs have had their wages reduced, and the pay in Southeast Asia is already low. A copywriter in the UK says, around eight months in I was noticing I was getting less work. I overheard a boss saying, just put it in chat,
GPT and over and over and over again. Now I know many people do not care how the sausage is made, but there are a whole bunch of people who aren't great with their hands. They're great with their mind. They're great with their creativity, and they're great with creating art or advertising or all sorts of things. That's just one little slice of the stuff that is being disrupted by AI.
But on top of that, as I said, legal advice, tax advice in the same way that you can go and find on YouTube DIY about how to build something. All of this technology is great as a tool until the tool takes over, and of course it's too late. And remember every time you use AI, you are feeding it information. So if you are fearful of what its potential impacts are. Stay away from it, even on a pissy Friday night, because it's learning an awful lot and a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.
Between now and then, we'll tell then the real thing is here. The real thing is Paul Murray, and this is the program that we'll be hosting for the rest of the night. All right, thank you so much for watching. More at a moment and by the way, tonight the first interview with one of those brand new one Nation senators. Can you believe they've got four four in the Upper House. Congrats to Pauline Hanson and James Ashby, our guest at
a moment here on Paulmurray line. Thank you so much for watching, joining us here in the man cave my brother from another mother, none other than the wonderful Darren Bunnette. Lovely to see you, sir.
My body doubled for you last Sunday. Now I knew I apprescire its outstanding.
It was great. Hope everyone loved you for it. All right, let's also have a chat to James Ashby. Congratulations to him and the wider one Nation team. And also, I really want to appreciate Malcolm Roberts giving us a shout out on social media today that yeah, we noticed that one nation thing, right, how many nights, how many weeks do we say, Hey, at seven percent, there at eight percent, there are ten percent, maybe something might happen. James, congratulations
to you and Pauline again. A two person Senate operation now becoming a four person, a footprint Queensland, New South Wales, Western Australia, your lap of the map, state MPs elected all over the shop. This is an incredible bit of growth for the party.
Yeah, I can finally start growing my fingernails back, paul It's been now binding for a lot of people, including Tyron and Warrick, who have thankfully been elected. But you know, strangely enough, we only narrowly missed out on Victoria, and I mean narrowly missed out. We were right down to the line there and unfortunately it just didn't happen for Warren. But nonetheless we had great success and I think a lot of it came down to the fact that not only did we run a good campaign, it was really
on a shoe string budget. I've got to say thank you to everybody who participated. If you couldn't give money, that was I find so many people gave us their time, which meant more in actual fact, because having people on piling booths as you know, when you're handing out how to vote cards, it makes life so much easier. But also too, I think more and more people were engaged in this election and they didn't waste their vote. They gave us their preference in the Senate and that's why
we ended up with four. So we go back before now and twenty second of July, lock our one nations there all on the floor.
Yeah. I mean in terms of the way the Parliament's going to work, is that obviously Labor Greens are able to pass all the stuff I think only that supercharges you guys, and the way you're going to be able to fight back against that agenda, including that tariff stuf I'll get to in a second. But Darren, we've seen like I love the I love Senate chat right, it's like the most nerdy of the political conversations because reality is,
you can't pass anything clearly without it. And we've seen scenarios where you know, way back when Brian Harrodine one person and then there's sort of another collection and different power up and down, And obviously the focus is in their around Labor Greens, Coalition, Crossbeach right, lamby just and I mean just as well.
But One Nation you close and tassy too.
That's I'm so Lee Hanson just knocking down the door. There, they're knocking down the door in Victoria. So, I mean, doubling your representation is pretty amazing. What does it say to you? Do you think that it's the sign of just a moment in time or the sign of a little change.
Clearly, the number of people voting for the not the two major parties, or we'll call the coalition one of the two major parties. People are putting their vote elsewhere, and this time around they've parked that vote very happily with One Nation. And we've spoke about it before the election a bunch of times that the Dutton campaigns does he go to the center or does he go to the ride? Every time he oscillates he loses votes.
Correct time.
At this time, trumpet patriots was not palatable. One Nation was the alternative and their vote continue to build and that's translated into Senate spots and good on them congratulations.
And also, you know, it's very good when.
We talk about the Senate. It is going to be a different Senate where we're not relying on the crossbenches for everything to happen. But that doesn't mean you can't still make a lot of noise, and it doesn't mean that in three years time that the balance won't shift again. I think this was a twenty nine. The one that we were replacing was a particularly strong coalition result. This has been a particularly strong labor result the off three years.
Who knows a little one way or the other.
I'll put it this way. I'd much rather have four people in the Senate than one person in the Senate. And they've got that for the next they're probably going to pick up their same senator in three years time.
I'd take four in the Senate than one downstairs because the more about six year terms.
Four in the Senate's going to be incredibly valuable. If it's not available now, it's valuable friends time.
This result has spurred Pauline Hanson on. She said to me the other day, bugger the three years I've got left, I want nine.
Look out. She's determined.
And because it's growth, this has really spurred us on as a party. And I must admit, you know this was the make it or break at election. If we didn't improve on our numbers, we had to have a good hard look at ourselves and say to ourselves is this worth moving forward with? Because there's something so long you can beat your head against a brick wall. And so this just proves that One Nation is a desirable party for those people who don't want to vote for
the two major parties. And this has put a real bit of kick and oh, confidence, I guess is probably the best word behind Pauline to know that what she's doing has been right and that confidence has been passed on in the voters.
He's breaking news, he repeated in other shows across the Weak. Pauline getting ready to run again three years time, top of the ticket Queensland. Yes, that would be a very good thing for our politics. Also, just one last thing we're talking about here when it comes to just being a senator, but certainly having multiple senators. And Malcolm Roberts
ran a spectacular campaign on social media. Right he's got one hundred thousand followers, never spoken to by the establishment media and no interviews all the rest of it, right, his questions and his questioning of people in things like Senate estimates, which doesn't make the news because oh they're
dirty questions. Guess what, people go, hang on, He's just asking them a really straight up question, and he's seeing the bs from the people asking and that stuff really sticks, probably even better than any interview or news story could be. So again, congratulations to you and the entire team, James, I know just how hard you work, as well as of course the Boss. Now let us get to this small matter of should Australia introduce tariffs on things that
we import from the rest of the world. Now, of course it's bad when the Orange Man does it, but it's good if the Bowen Man does it, because it's all about climate change. Again, this is what he said on the ABC today.
I know you've been looking at the option of Australia imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism as the Europeans are looking at. What's he thinking on that at the moment.
Well, we've been again clear that we want to ensure Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world. As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers, so those papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in the short term, but there are things we can think about in the medium to long term, and obviously that's something I'll continue to progress this term with my cabinet colleagues.
Now, of course, all governments are looking for extra revenue, trying to make sure that it is people in this country that don't have to pay that extra revenue, because then you turn around and get the Harry hits with the government. The only problem is we've all been trained to believe Orange Man bad tariffs are also bad because they increase the cost of the goods for the people
in the United States. Would that not be the exact same thing that would happen here in Australia no matter what they call it, Darren, If they turn around and say carbon intensive you know, dirty bad stuff being made somewhere else being brought into Australia, well, whack ten percent on it. Great, government gets ten percent, customer pays ten percent.
Now, I'm not excited about tariffs in general. I think it's a little bit different to Trump. The first announcement from Trump was pretty extreme. I think it's fair to say that it was everyone global tea, everyone's minimum ten percent up from there. So this is not quite in
that ballpark. But as a general principle, I think most of the world has moved on from the tariffs of the seventies, eighties and before then, so it's probably a retrogade step that the only thing would be if they can convince the Australian people that it protects some Australian industries.
Yet to be determined whether they can make that argument or whether that's the argument they try to make, But that's the only way you can justify it is if savy techs, if you're saving Ausie jobs, in which case that's something that I'm sure people, even James and one nation in the Senate would look at.
But James, of course, that's not the logic. It The logic is we're going to put a tax on something that is helping to pollute the planet, which is causing you know, every rainstorm, every drought, every hot day, every cold day, all the rest of it. Right, and they believe, hey, look, you know, ninety five seats downstairs dominance in the Senate. Mate, this is over. You know, we've won this five hundred times over. Good luck. If the Coalition wants to keep
pushing in this area, good luck the One Nation. If they want to play down this end, I'm sorry. If we're going to put a tax that's going to increase everything coming into the country that's carbon intensive, which is basically everything that is important into the country, people are going to notice, aren't they.
Yeah, Look, you can't put enough loopstick on this pig. The reality of it is it's a tax, and there's no other way of saying. A tariff or a levee or whatever you want to call it, it's still a tax. And it comes back to that dirty old carbon tax that the Labor Party introduced all those years ago that Abbott had the pleasure of getting rid of. It took some time to get rid of. But this is only
going to drive prices up. And isn't it funny when you suggest putting a tariff or a tax or a ban on importing goods from countries that use slave labor or child labor, and we're looking at you, China. The Labor Party run a million miles from it. But the second, carbon emissions might exceed the limits that we want here in Australia. They don't have any problems in implementing these systems.
And let's not forget who this has been spurred on by the Greens, who labor did the preference deal with that the election to ensure that they had control of both the Lower House and the Upper House with the Green support. So this just means that everything goes up.
If you're looking to build a house, you've got young viewers out there, Paul, you know every one of those young viewers is going to struggle because the cost of concrete and steel and other building products that will be inevitably imported into this country because we don't manufacture because of the high labor costs or the high energy costs. And let's not forget they're not putting a tariff or at tax on that slave labor. So I just say
it this way. It's just a simple carbon tax reintroduced dressed up as something different.
Yeah, So can I say very quickly just to add, I think what James touched on with the Greens is spot on. I suspect there's a little bit of wiggle room Deliberately being put in by labor. There are two pathways to pass legislation, Coalition or Greens. They're leaving that door open for some big negotiations. Are things they want to get through that might be something they put on the table in return.
Correct, but theoretically right. So I heard this argument today about Orange Man bad steel tariffs. Right, is that if you're increasing the cost of tariffs at cost of steel steel is made in an American car, American car imported to Australia, price goes up by the tariff. Right, that would be the same logic with the carbon intense if one made in Japan or Europe or anywhere else. Look, my sense is in the long run, this probably doesn't happen because it would be insane for it to happen.
But these people, they think they are so far in front and going to run forever and rule forever, and after it's you know, Albow and then Charmers, the Girl Bosses. They're set in the next thirty years. Let's just see what happens. Let's just see what happens. Jeff A bold prediction for the week ahead. James Ashby, what's definitely happening? What's one you can just come up with on the spot. Definitely going to happen.
Oh jeez, Paul, this is tough. I've got a bold prediction. We're going to get inundated with job applications.
For seventy and that's wy and new else.
I haven't thought beyond that. They'd be quite honest with you, there's so much going on with two very excited new elected senators, so I'll just look forward to the inundation of the job application.
Good boy, we've got one of them standing by. In a second, I have a chat to their new senator from One Nation and Western Australia in a moment, Darren last six.
I think Nicolette Buller will win her seat. And I say that because there were a lot more well experienced or very good experience scrutineers for the Libs early on in the count because I think the Teals thought they were going to romp it in right, So therefore I think one are the votes.
There were seven and a half, so in the recoun there's a better group of people go cancel that one.
I think they've got better scrutineers his time around, and therefore they'll get out of the line that's bold.
I like it. Well done, Thank you very much, guys, do appreciate it. We'll see you again next week. All right, quick break back with more a brand new senator from Western Australia representing one nation. They've had a spectacular election. They deserve their victory lap. We will have that in a moment or two time and introduce you to somebody in Australian politics for at least the next six years.
More in a set. The very nice silver lining for those who's disappointed in the federal election was that one nation has had an absolute blinder in the Senate. They've gone, of course, from their current two senators from Queensland, they now have two more, one coming from New South Wales, one coming from Western Australia. Tyrone Whitten is that new senator from Western Australian joins us. Now. Congratulations mate, welcome to the big stage. How do you feel that you're
about to go to the madhouse for six years? Well, I can't wait, mate.
There's been a good while coming, a lot of hard work by a lot of people to help get me here. So yeah, really looking forward to it.
So one nation in Western Australia has been around for a long time, has produced senators in the past, has members of the Upper House after the last state election. It is well and truly no fluke. This is a political movement which has been around for a long time and in Western Australia has been building for the past few years. Did you feel on the campaign trail that you had a bit of momentum behind you? Absolutely?
Yeah.
Everywhere you go people listen and they all have the same thoughts as people in one nation. You don't find anybody that really differs from the beliefs we have when you're out there. I don't know where the people that voted for labor are. We can't find them.
I had a very similar conversation at dinner last night, and so hang on, they've got ninety five seats downstairs. But you no, no, no, no, no, no, no, all right, we'll see what happens now. Tell us about yourself. Why did you want to get into politics. What was your life before politics?
I had a construction company with my brother and yeah we did fairly well, but he's looked at taking my shares away. So it freed me up to do something I want to do. And I've always said to my kids. Don't complain about something, do something about it. So here I am. I'm having a crack.
So you've seen particularly again Malcolm Roberts. Media doesn't ever talk about him, won't interview him for all, you know, they don't want to tell they don't want somebody who's going to take them mind in an interview. But he's been spectacular when it comes to social media, spectacular when it comes to those Senate estimates, asking a whole bunch of questions, are you going to try to do something
similar where? Okay, yes, you know you'll have a chat to me, You'll have a chat to lots of different people, but you know that you can stand out from the crowd by being the one person asking the uncomfortable question.
Look happy to ask uncomfortable questions. I suggest Malcolm's probably a fee bit more articulate than I am. I come from a construction industry, so I'm probably a bit more of a blond object and I'll come with a lot of passion and tough questions.
So yeah, it sounds like my kind of guy. At the end of six years, what does success look like in terms of a political career going for another six What would you like to do if if there's he be only got one shot at it. What's the sort of stuff you'd like to be able to look back on in six years time when we have a conversation about re election.
Well yeah, I mean six years a long time, but it'll go pretty quick. So you know, representing the people of Western Australia, I've listened to a lot of them and I know what they want. They want all the nice things we used to have somewhere to put your head at night, for starters, but there's so many people living rough at the moment, so there's so many issues in West Australia similar to the rest of Australia. I want to make a difference and look back with pride that I had a real go.
Do you get a sense And I know there's a lot of people and when we were in Cawgooli just a few weeks ago, and I think yourself and Pauline were at the Nulla Boar Muster of course as part of the run home to the election. There's a lot of people who really feel like there's not many roles of the dice left for a traditional Australia and that it really matters, and it's about values, and the stakes again higher as each month goes by. Do you get that fairly?
Absolutely?
Yeah.
It feels like it's slipping through our fingers, and that's why I'm here. I couldn't sit back and do nothing anymore. So whether I got in or not, it wasn't the thought at the start.
It was just I can't.
Sit back and do nothing anymore, and that there's so many people desperate for somebody to step up and lead this country and not take us to armageddon, which feels like where we're going at the moment.
Well, Tyroan, I'll give you a free piece of advice, which is stick with the klan that you turn up with when you get down there, be suspicious of the people who are not nice, be really suspicious of the people who were too nice, and just keep your own path. And you know, yes, cold window nights, but there'll be plenty of people cheering you on from outside that building.
And keep that spirit that you bring into the building as you're there next year, year after year after year after and again hopefully a conversation in six years time about going around again. Congratulations, what a huge life achievement. Well done. Goovna. Thanks for cheers, mate, good stuff. Tyron Whitney is his name. Sorry, The Western Stralian senator at fought one Nation heading off to Canberra when Parliament comes back in July. We break back with more here on
pal Murray Life. I love a Nimby story not in my backyard. The constant complaining of locals about what other locals are doing in their areas. Perfect example. Bao Main, one of the capitals of the Inner West of Sydney, very fast, used to be working class with my grandfather if he remember him showing me around the joint where they used to line up for work during the depression.
Right now multi million dollar joints fuller lefties. And there's a church, Saint Augustine's Church in Bawmain, has been there since nineteen oh seven. Nineteen oh seven. They have a bell tower and they ring bell weddings, funerals services. The plan in that bell tower is to whack in a couple of extra bells. Okay, that's the plan. Locals. No no, no, no, no no no. I know you've been here since nineteen oh seven, but I've been here since two thousand and seven.
Nineteen ninety seven, this perfect, perfect example of sidney wankery. Right. Concerns over noise impacts and loss of sleep have been raised as a response to have development application from Saint Augustine's Church in Bawmain to increase the number of church bells one hundred and nineteen year old church. They want to whack in eight bells. Plans submitted to by the church to win a West council say that yep, there'll be bells twenty minutes at a time, sometimes eight thirty
am latest nine pm. Some submissions to council have stated that noise could disturb babies trying to sleep. The bloke in charge of the church says, there's a pub across the road that's open way later than we are that makes way more noise than any bell that we will ever ring for any special occasion. I love this. It's been there since nineteen oh seven, all right. It has literally been around as long as the Baumin tigers. Okay,
they are allowed to ring the bell. You can put up with it because your house will be worth four million dollars in three years time, the Royal Report. Right now, you're on Sky News