From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. What a show we have for you tonight. Thank you to everyone who turned up in McGregor in Brisbane yesterday and support us on outsound all the time again. Ow thanks to the wonderful people of Party Norman. All right now tonight, obviously we will talk about the democratic delusion that Joe Biden has still got a shot. You know the evidence, you know the rest. But there's a whole lot of new reporting which is happening tonight at the start of
Monday in the United States. I'll get to that in a second. The Senate as we speak is voting about what's going to happen with a live sheep trade. This is massive in Western Australia and we'll get to this in a moment or twesday time. And plenty to say about July one, and supposedly the day where costin living ends because the government is here to help a reality
check for all of them in a moment. But first, it's not really breaking news that it's cold during winter, but the expectation is is that these will be the coldest days of winter thus far and may end up being the coldest of the entire season. The low's tonight expected in the three kind of cold places. Forgive me, Taszy, I didn't double check with you, but it's seven degrees. But the feels like is going to be much lower than all of these numbers. Seven in Sydney, four in
Melbourne and minus one for everyone in Canberra. Now again, Skytie's weather is always across this stuff. There is a reason I am mentioning this, by the way, apart from just telling you what the weather is like. I'm not going to do that thing where you can just look out the window or you just feel it yourself. There's a reason I'm mentioning this again, Scotty's weather across all of it and putting out the detail about why it is so cold at this moment in this winter.
See the forecast for frost into Tuesday morning even more widespread than Monday morning in Victoria and South Australia, and Wednesday looks the coldest of them all, where the widespread frost from Central Australia down to the southeast and even for the southwest Land.
Division of Wa as well.
There'll be some frost in some spots.
The reason I mention this is because sadly, there are people who die in house fires each and every winter. In fact, on average, when you have a look at the number of people who die as a result of house fires in winter in Australia every year, it is very close or depending on your data, even higher than
the number that we lose during bush fires. Now, of course, the reason all of this takes place, and this is an example of a most recent house fire where apparently the office chairs were too close to an electric heater. It caught fire, and that's how you got the blaze
that they did. I know that we all want to stay warm from the most obvious of reasons, but please, please, please, please please make sure that the heater that is in your house right now is nowhere near your blankets or your curtains, that the washing is not drying in front of it, because all of those things are the things that end up leading to house fires. Yes, people falling asleep with cigarettes all the rest of it, but and
the heat pad stuff. I know it's cold, take care of yourself because obviously all of those people who last winter and the winter before and the winter before and the winter before and the winter before who ended up dying or being very seriously injured in house fires. Obviously didn't expect that to be the case. So keep your wits about you, particularly if you've got one of those really old school kind of bar heaters, which I know
lots of people have. Just make sure it is nothing is near at anywhere near the room, because I want you here each and every night, and I wanted to be the one reminding everyone to be vigilant because it's not just about staying warm, it is about staying alive. Now also, before I get to politics, and there's a lot of it today, but there's some other stuff that's
just been running around in my head. Remember when Optus had its outage and people freaked out, rightly so, because everything from your mobile phone to maybe the FPOs machine that we're using the home internet was cut off. And in modern world, we don't react well to not being able to communicate with the rest of the world.
It is that horrible sense of wow, we've listed. Really it's a really bad day.
At the end of the day, I saw the past of my service. I'm not going to just come on top of it.
It never reached to us.
They never send any message saying what's the reason.
It's just not good enough? And because the public was outraged and the media followed the outrage, the government wanted to get on the right side of the public, so they shared the outrage that in the modern era, this is the way we communicate, we do business, we talk to each other, and to go without it is never acceptable.
Australians expect that there will be follow up, that there will.
Be lessons learned.
It's important to understand how this can be certainly avoided in future.
They're going to have to come to the table and do something big, in my view, to keep their customer base.
Optors needs to front up in a public hearing, take questions and give an explanation.
Which we all know is a lot of performance here, but still the expectation is of an uninterrupted service. Now, things will always go wrong and that's the case, but the system really should be built that when you have no other offering that automatically there are serious discounts. Maybe this month's bill is free instead. What Optics turned around and did remember was, among other things, offer huge amounts of free data to people who wouldn't normally use that
amount of data anyway. It was a way of managing the headlines. It didn't work. They ultimately had to get rid of the CEO. But there is something perhaps even more important than our ability to access the internet, and that is your ability to access your own money. For the most obvious of reasons, people these days they don't carry much cash anymore, so most people will pay their bills online. Most people will send money between themselves that way.
Most people will pay for their pizza that particular way. Well, today Australia Bank was the latest of the major banks to have a major outage, huge problems with the app where it put simply was down. This meant that anyone who was a customer or of course businesses all the rest of it huge interruptions. Now, can you always pay a bill another day, sure, but there are lots of things that are always do on that day, a huge amount of money that needed to move around, people settling
on ourss. There are consequences when this stuff doesn't work. And again they got a little bit of a mention today but of course, well it's only if your customers have nabbed that was a story for everyone else. It doesn't matter. The messages were pretty clear on their website
pretty clear about their app as well. But the response from the government when the system broke and people couldn't get access to their money or to pay for things, or to move things around, or to do basically all of the things that were a problem with optis, we heard nothing today Tumbleweeds. This was not considered as big or as significant. But of course if you needed your money, if you needed to it, if you needed to pay it, if you needed to transfer it, you needed this. But
it's not just the National Australia Bank. We've also seen this when it comes to the A and Z Bank, where they too had problems with a major outage that was striking A and Z online banking and their app. The same with the Commonwealth Bank, where the Commonwealth Bank is trying to win back its furious customers why because they had no access to their money. All of this staff has been happening in the past few months. It
will happen again in the next few months. The same with Westpac where Westpac banking services resume after customers were hit with an outage. Now again, big complicated systems break, that's the reality. But what's the penalty. What's the penalty? What is the pressure on these companies to offer something back to their customers. How do they make sure, let's say the tap and go fees that you'd have to pay for the rest of the month, you wouldn't have
to pay. Why use there not some sort of financial disincentive for major organizations not to be spending all their energy and all their time making sure that our interface with our own money flows like the water from the tap, the electricity to your house, or the internet to your home or business. I found it quite strange today. Now again, the government doesn't run these banks, thankfully they don't own
a bank anymore. But the consequences of people not being able to have access to their money, well, it's obvious you may well have felt this frustration at certain points in time. My question is, when it's a telco, it's the lead story and the CEO ends up losing their job. When it's a bank, it's just an adage and you have to suck it up. Why the double standard? Now, before again, I get to the politics, and there's all the obvious stuff. Yeah, the Senator and Biden and all
that stuff. I'll get to it right plenty some but you will have heard by now there was a ridiculous act of vandalism that was supposedly in the name of compassion for the Palestinians of Gaza. But why do we leave our memorials unguarded either with cameras and I'm not
suggesting twenty four to seven security guards. But of course in Canberra there is that entire stretch of different war memorials that represent different conflicts, different people that goes from Lake Burley Griffin all the way up to the War Memorial. Why have we not seen footage of the people who were doing this? Why is the consequence of this something where we're all going to feel an outrage, But at this moment in time, there is no one who has
been charged. Why don't we have greater ability to track down these people? We have a world of motion senses that we all put around our houses. Why not when the sun goes down around significant monuments. And just in the same way that there are local councils that have got all sorts of cameras everywhere to pick up illegal dumping, you can hide these cameras and lots of places where
nobody knows exactly where they are. Now. Of course, like you, I was disgusted to see, surprise, surprise, the Greens not even having the brain, the heart, or the balls to be able to pass emotion in condemnation of this behavior. And again, if we can roll that footage again, some of the symbols there, yes, are about what is happening in Gaza, but some of it is just about outright anarchy.
Some of it is, of course, part of this historical view that everything post seventeen seventy is a problem, any and anyone who does anything other than leave that view of history somehow as a problem. Those are the anarchist symbols, by the way, But there are two other examples that I would like to share with you that I think
are just as outrageous, just as outrageous. And while on this show we often go out of our way to celebrate good, amazing, normal people, there are really some sickos out there, not just the ones that want to do that political sort of garbage, but the people who just do nasty things, truly nasty things. I'm not talking about people who commit crimes of a soultal murder. I'm talking about a nastiness in the crimes that they do. Molly
Ticehurst as you know, was murdered. Her partner is currently going through the court process, and the people of Forbes, which is not too far from Parks, have taken this crime into their heart because she was the most normal example of somebody who lives in that beuatiful part of regional New South Wales. Now this story is a couple of days old, but I wanted to bring you to the heart of this that Molly Tyshurst's family, according to The Guardian, have been robbed of some of the possessions
of their now lost daughter. Now, among the items that were taken from the Forbes property where Molly twenty eight lived with her six year old was a gold nugget pendant that was given to her by her father, Tony, who we have seen speaking on behalf of the family about the heartbreak and rage that any family would feel that have gone through this. He picked the piece because it looked like a woman that was holding a child. This is that very gold nugget pendant. It was stolen
from a murder victim's house after she was murdered. Now, I say this on teav right now because if there is anyone around Forbes or Parks or anywhere around that region of New South Wales. Who has seen that pendant, been offered it to buy it, somebody's tried to porn it. Clearly somebody stole this because they thought that there was a financial value to it, but the emotional value is
of course completely irreplaceable. Can we show it again because I want everyone to see it, and everyone who's watching us right now on Foxdelle free to wear flash Orskynews dot com dot you listening to us right now online or watching this video tomorrow. If you see anything like this, or you're offered anything like this, or you see it in a shop or a garage, anything, please please contact the police and they will obviously connect it back with the family. And then this is the one that really
got me today. I want to show you a beautiful little girl, this beautiful little lady, Brittany. She was three and she's no longer here. She accidentally swallowed a toxic battery and she died. Her family as a way of honoring her at her grave site, put her tiara, a little tiara that was with them when they were in hospital. And I think you know what I'm about to show you. Some bastard has stolen it some bastard has gone to her grave which is the Mudurrabar Cemetery, pride and open
and taken a tiara from a girl's grave. Now again I mention all of this because if you see these things being offered, if you see them online, please contact the police. One hundred triple three triple zero is the crime stoppers number local police. These families need these things because when you don't have your little girl, be at a three year old or even one in their late twenties, the things that they touched, the things that they loved,
the things that represent them are all you have left. Now, I hope that there is someone somewhere who will see these things, report and return again. Ninety nine point nine nine percent of people are decent, but there are low lives amongst us, and there's a little low life network the things. They can make a few dollars out of this, for whatever reason that they want those few dollars, but for goodness sake, find this stuff and give it back.
Remember the central promise which has been the single greatest broken promise of the Albanezy labor government was that they were promising in May of twenty twenty two and many months before that the Labor government would lower the cost of living. You know the reality that since that promise was made and since this government came to being, there has been twelve interest rate rises and inflation is now
heading back up after coming slightly down. But still everything has cost more every day of every week of every month of every year since this government came to power. But this Prime minister spent an entire year and half a billion dollars campaigning for a question that went from sixty forty yes to sixty forty no. And he did
not care no matter what he says. Remember, at the height of this time in the budget, not this one, but the one before, at the time when he was spending this money and out and about on this campaign, his government took fifteen hundred dollars of ten million work, the same workers that of course, now they're trying to turn around and pretend that they're helping out with a
whole series of things which kicking today. Well, of course, the Prime minister's first kick in the backside was the Australian public saying, no, colossal waste the money, We don't agree with your IDEA second kick in the backside was that Australians were focused that this government, who had promised action, had failed. Remember the polling that was around at the very end of last year that about eighty percent of Australian said the government has not done enough at all
to deal with cost of living. So of course we had the nonsense of the rejigging of tax cuts, which essentially means that the government has made decisions that will cost them apparently billions of dollars, and those billions of dollars come back to workers. But of course it's not billions of dollars if you are the worker. I have for months said that when the problems are as big as they currently are, this is all too little, too late. The numbers I have shown you almost every couple of
days for a really long period of time now. But it still remains the case that if you earn forty five thousand dollars, this government wants a pat on the back for letting you keep fifteen dollars of your own money twenty two thirty two forty one dollars of your own money. And I have long predicted that this money doesn't touch the sides, and this money doesn't actually change anyone's life. Yet the government gets to say we're helping.
What of course they are doing is throwing a thimble of water out of fire, but they want credit for the thimble of water because we could have chosen not to throw the thimble of water. Well, I've got plenty of proof today that my instincts were correct about how people will actually consider, consume, or not even notice these tax cuts because they are too little and they are
too late. Channel nine newspapers hardly unfriendly territory for the government. Well, they decided to interview a bunch of people about what they are going to be doing with the two little too late tax cuts, and guess what their own words will prove it is too little too late. First a lady called Ever. She says, it's not going to be something that substantially changes or balances out the increasing costs
that everyone is facing. We've got a mortgage, so obviously with the interest rate rises, which remember, there's most likely to be another one because this government has failed to deal with inflation properly and it's not going to change much of their world. Then there's the lady who's a nurse. These are supposedly the absolute sweet spot. Politically, women like Belinda. It might cover my compulsory parking fee at the hospital,
but that's about it. I'm choosing between do we go out with our friends or do we pay that bill? Do I choose between taking my daughter to the movies or paying that big dental bill. Another example, two young women they apparently live I think in the same house. Asked this is the Eloise who's the one on the left. Asked if she thought that the money in people's pockets could go to add to inflation. Grant says, I guess you can only assume so, but I think with everything
going on, it's very helpful. Okay, nice comment. Well, her mate Charlie is on the right. She says she wanted to save the bulk of her tax cut, adding if I was planning on spending it, it would just go to essentials due to inflation. She also said that rent was a major expense. So they're the happy ones. By their own admission, too little, too late. The idea that you would be able to save fifteen dollars a week on forty five thousand, when, of course all of those
things keep going up, it all gets gobbled up. It's already been gobbled up from when it was announced back in January. How do we know, because the inflation figures tell us in the month of May, this is the margin by which everything went up compared to the before Tobacco thirteen percent, petrol nine percent, insurance and financial services, rents, alcohol, electricity, health, housing, education, new housing that people would move into, transport, and fruit
and vegetables. So even if you were somebody who was a supposed beneficiary of the tax cuts, it's all eaten up. But there's one lady who I want you to see because she is the embodiment of my entire obsession with why this is too little, why this is too late, why they don't deserve credit, and why they are liars. This lady was on a current affair tonight. She's holding a kid, and her and her partner are working collectively
the best part of ninety hours a week. I want you to see this for a full sixty seconds, because this is why Prime Minister, it is too little, too late. This is why my press gallery friends, you are in the wrong spot and you do not understand how the politics does not connect to the real world. Have a look how much.
Of a difference will today's tax cuts make for you, guys?
Pretty much nothing. We do everything we can to cut where we can, just to survive.
You're saying you are living week to week.
That's correct. Yeah, week to week's heartbreaking.
It really is.
It's hard, you know, just trying to survive with my little family. I'm thankful, but I do have my parents because if I didn't have them and they didn't have their house, I would essentially be homeless. You know, my partner works like forty five fifty hours a week. I'm forty hours a week and it's still essentially not enough. Every single day I wake up and I go, what she is going to happen this week? What's going to increase today?
Can governments solve all of Emma's problems?
No?
Are her parents doing everything they can to make sure that she and her partner and their little Barbara being taken care of. Yes, that's real life. But what really annoys me is that the government pretends that they are helping Emma. In election campaigns, they pretend they care about Emma. In advertising that you pay for, they pretend they are helping Emma. Emma is working full time, her partner is working full time, but they can't get the ends to
meet because everything costs more than it did before. Yet this government turns around and Prance is about in question time like they somehow have cured cancer. This is not help, This is political messaging. This is some crumbs off the table that have been given out by people who have received their third pay rise since they came to government on the promise of making Emma's life easier. That's why
I cannot stand these people. It's why I hope that if karma exists, they feel a level of political discomfort from their lives. But as you know, you can waste an awful lot of time waiting for karma to kick in, But it will kick in at some point somewhere. I hope it's sooner rather than later, so they realize how too late their efforts are for people like Emma, her
husband and that little bubba. Now, also, when we talk about government, we know that there's so much data around that says that government is taking more tax than ever before. It doesn't matter if we're talking about payroll company, stamp duty, whether we're talking about the GST. Government is absolutely swimming in it. Hundreds of billions of dollars each and every year, which is higher than the last year, higher than the year before that, and often it's growing at a faster
rate than the population is. And that's saying something considering how many people this government is bringing in to try to prop things up. So then we have the spectacle of the federal treasurer and the state colleagues again pretending, oh, we're fixing everything and we're helping out emma, and aren't we amazing, But of course what they're really doing is just dusting their own jackets so they've got an announcement so they can save their backside, so they can all
just stay in power. Well, today I want to talk about the reality of all of this money, all of this spending, and and how it doesn't actually connect in
the world of education. Now, of the billions of dollars billions of dollars state in federal, could somebody please explain to me how the school system in twenty twenty four that is apparently getting more money than it's ever got before from governments which are getting more money than ever before, has a scenario where as the Courier Mail has reported in the past couple of days, teachers reaching their own pocket to spay, to spend almost one thousand dollars a
year on things like clothing, stationery, food. How do we live in a world where they take so much tax, they get so much press out of their care of education, yet still at the end of the day parents have got to fork out more, including Emma when her child eventually will end up going to school and then teaches themselves. Are the ones plugging the gaps? Another example, which is a school that is focused on indigenous students in the far north of Queensland. The Guardian has this story about
moldy bathrooms, broken air con, hole in the wall. This is the photos that they have been able to put together of one of these particular schools. How is this acceptable?
How is this happening? It's actually a wider survey which has been done i think by one of the unions, But the twenty twenty four State of Our School Survey, which canvas more than thirteen thousand educators teachers around Australia, found that nineteen percent of principles said they didn't have enough classrooms at their schools and forty percent said that they didn't have sufficient space to meet enrollments. In the
next three to five years. Again, my rage and indignation is that these politicians waste our time gas lighters, lie to us, demand that we should be thankful when the result of the education system is the lowest performance in generations in terms of educational results. Teachers and parents have to end up spending extra money that they don't have because of the failures inside their own system. But they've
got money for the Olympic Games. They've got money to pay multi billion dollar corporations like the UFC to come and stage a few fights. The Western Australian government is paying the WWE to put a show on at Opta Stadium. They did it earlier this year, they'll do it again next year. In fact, our state governments spend the best
part of about seven hundred million dollars on events. Now, these are all the bread and circuses to distract you from the reality that the people who are taking more tax than ever before, who claim to be spending more money than ever before, or keep leaving you out in the cold. All you can ever do is, when you get the opportunity once every three years federally four years in most states, is tell them to bugger off. Don't believe them, don't fall for it, follow the data, believe
your own eyes, remember your own experience. Because these people, they care about themselves. The media is all about having access to those people, so they never want to call them out on the reality. And that's not something that is about the left wing or the right wing. It is about accountability. I'm sick of the idea that compassion is just something for the left. It can happen on the right too, the same as strength works in both directions.
Hold these people accountable and do it with your vote. Do it when you talk to a polster, tell them this is not acceptable, Do not fall for their garbage. Demand more because when it's their backside in a sling. Funnily enough, they find the money. Now to the United States, and let's move on from talking exclusively about the debate and get to the is Joe Biden going to stand the race? As you know past twenty four hours, he
spent it with his family at Camp David. Now the family unsurprisingly turned around and told him you've got to stay in Joe. They also did a photo shoot with Annie Liberwitz, so they have no interest in jumping out. Instead, amazingly, they are blaming not Joe Biden, not themselves for exposing Joe Biden, but the people around Joe Biden. They are and I quote privately trashing his top campaign advisors, blaming
them for the president's flop on Thursday. What about them blaming themselves for exposing the weakness of their husband, father or if the kids are old enough, grandfather. They're also cracking into the sea and and moderators. Remember the c and N debate in the studio with the mi'x cutoff in June was the Biden campaign's idea. Additionally, Biden's campaign staff are getting angry at CNN about how the debate
was run. According to several people familiar with the conversations, their complaints were lengthy, including that the moderators should have fact checked Trump more often, that Biden was not told which camera he'd be on when not speaking, and that the makeup staff appeared to make him too pale. This is pathological gas lighting, and all of his problems will not get better. He will only get older. He will only get weaker, because that happens to all of us.
You have seen people in the prime of their life go in with jet black hair and after four or eight years of the presidency. It's gray. So imagine what it does to a bloke who will be beyond his mid eighties should he get another four years in the job. But unbelievable, all of the people who are afraid of upsetting the Biden family are all coming out now publicly and saying nothing to see here. Don't believe your lying eyes. He wasn't sick, he wasn't frail. The makeup was the problem.
There are, of course, many members of the media who often think of themselves too much as participants rather than commentators. But still a broken clock can be right twice a day.
You know, Democrats want a lecture Republicans for not for putting party over country and how they've been enabling of Donald Trump. Can Democrats really sit there and say, you know, this is not about whether you think Biden can win the election. He might be able to win the election. It's not because he's Joe Biden. It's because he's not Donald Trump. The real issue is is he telling the true truth about whether he can serve a full four years?
And again part of the nonsense is, oh, the polls. You know, our internal polls are much better than everything else that's being said publicly. Well, as you know, follow the data. More than seventy percent of people say that he should not drop out of the race. Why because they watched what eighty million people watched the other day. Seventy two percent of people, basically a full ten point increase,
say he should jump out of the race. His family, whose entire business model is of course selling access to Dad. The entire Democratic establishment, who just thinks because he's not Donald Trump he'll win, is willing to continue their lie and prop up this bloke. Whether it works or not, we'll all find out together, but it is pretty ridiculous. Meantime, in a couple of hours time, the Supreme Court in the United States will have a very big decision to make.
It will announce whether or not Donald Trump has got total presidential immunity. Put simply, that would mean most of the cases that are against him at the federal level would melt away. It's a very big night in American politics.
We'll find out what happens by tomorrow morning. Where Pete Stefanovick fills you in with first edition quick break back with more plenty to talk about here as we jump into the debate, and we'll talk about the weakness of the Prime Minister when it comes to the two little too late tax cuts, when it comes to dealing with that Senator who will inevitably end up leaving them, and a whole lot more morna second, thank you so much
for watching. Holly Hughes joining us from Canberra where there is so much going on, including that live experts vote. We'll get to that in the moment or two this time. Love you to see you, my friend here in the man Cave, none of them, the great Sam Crosby, love to see you well, sir. I'm sorry about the car and the Sunday showdown and the drama. It was incredible. Potholes anyway is here. So I want to ask a question that's not in the news to surprise you both.
First year. I'll start with you first, Senator, which is we had a national freak out and rightly so when Optus went down for a day. Yet every couple of weeks the banking apps don't work. Every couple of weeks there will be one of the different ones where the website won't work or the app doesn't work. Now your access to your money. I would suggest is just if not more vital than your access to the internet. Now again, will systems break down? Sure? Right? Should they be punished
and fined with seven trillion? No? Right? But why don't we have a system that demands that when access to your money is unavailable, that the same company can't keep charging you for the rest of the month when you access your money via tap and go.
Holly, Look, I mean absolutely, And I don't know whether the impact today was also felt by businesses, which we know is what happened when Optis went out. I mean, businesses couldn't even use their point of sale payment systems when Optis went out. And I don't know whether or not businesses were impacted. I haven't seen any coverage of that, but I'm sure you know. This is why people want
to insist that there's still cash available. It's why people still do use cash because, as you can say, and this is the risk behind cyber attacks, and you know, all by having everything online and I'm guilty of it, I mean most of us are, but it is you know, there's a real issue there that you if you cannot access your money, there's got to be some consequences for this.
Yeah, that's again it's like now again, there's a mistake here, right, So it's not like that turned around and they're fraudulently offering a service that I understand. But this is one of those perfect examples about how our regulatory framework has not moved with the times, where obviously if you can't walk into the branch here, then you go over to the branch a couple of suburbs, but of course they don't exist anymore.
It is well known that you will change your spouse. On average, you will change your spouse more than you will change your bank.
On average.
You will change your spouse or you will change your bank. And they know that there is nothing built into the system that says, oh, I'm going to shop around, AB has better performance, so I'll go to Come one hundred n They know they've got you for life. So where's the intended in twenty ten? The if you think back before twenty ten, you remember how you used to get those breakdowns at the ports where you'd get the trucks
queuing for days. It seemed well, in twenty ten we changed it and we said if the lands, if the port botany operator, so you know P and O or Patrick's if they kept the truck drivers waiting longer than thirty minutes, then they owed the truck driver money. The other way around was always in.
Finally, guess what fun enough?
What has never happened since twenty ten?
We brought that in.
Every single time a crane's gone down, they fixed it. They figured out a way to fix it. So similarly, if you put the market mechanism in place, to say, for airlines, think about that.
If you're for your plane, you miss your plane too bad, you get a penalty. But if quantas is running, you know, two three hours later they caunce you flight well, too bad for you well, and don't forget you know, during GFC all the rest of it. We've underwritten these banks,
We've turned around and guaranteed deposits, all the rest of it. Right, So again, I just think, you know, perhaps you know, if there's anyone with access to a parliament, just you know, you know a one a for her which says, you know, if you fail to do it, then you can't charge a tap and go for thirty days, Jess, they would see, they would see some things change. All right, Let's talk about the weakness that was exposed by the Senator who is determined to break the rules that she agreed to.
Perfect millennial behavior join an organization only to pretend that you don't have to play by the rules of everyone else because you're special and the cause is special. Now again, it has been a little bit hilarious watching people on TV pretending that, oh, the Labor Party rules are being fractional goodness for me, like normal people who cares? Like who cares? Because we know that she will inevitably end up breaking away from the Labor Party, but she'll keep
voting with the Labor Party. Do you want to see think that Fatima is going to end up backing in one Nation or the United Australian Party or the Liberal Party when they have motions about Senate inquiries into COVID. I don't think so. You of course work in the same building, in the same place. So again we can talk about the Prime minister weakness and all the rest of you. But Senator, Okay, if she breaks off, her political career will go as long as we one and
a bit terms, then it'll evaporate. She'll vote with Labor all the way. So are we putting too much into this? And it's a little bubble within a bubble sort of chat.
Look at is I mean, I guess it is a bit inside the Beltway. But even tonight, you know, we're still in the building. The debate over live exports going to be guillotined at ten pm, which means no one gets to talk about it anymore. There's no committee stage. We just go and vote on it and Senator Payment will not be voting, so there is actually a loss of a vote for the government there. So there you know, there are issues for them now that they need to
deal with. But she's certainly cozied more up to the Greens, so I certainly can't say her if she jumps she looking to do anything on the conservative side of politics, she would be cozying up to the Greens, moving more to the left and behaving as pathetically and appalling as they do every day.
Well, but also she's going to end up on this particular issue and the things around it as Thorpe is when it comes to her issues and when it comes away from the Greens. But Sam, I've got to say, I use the term gas lighting. A lot of people know what that means.
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It's basically been completely like to right. The PM today said he didn't punish her because she was going to cross the floor, but because she was distracting from the tax cuts. I didn't hear that.
I mean, look, but no, no, no, At the end of the day, her position was untenable. Yeah, right, it was untenable.
Why can't he just say she's breaking the rules, that's why we're booting her up the backside, and you're not going to lose all these Western Sydney seats. The concept that all Islamic people all believe the same.
Thing, and it's rubbish, you know, I genuinely don't think it has anything at all to do with the issue. She's free to go into the party room and argue whatever the issue is. And I dare say, I know for a fact that a number of Labor senators and members agree one million percent with her on the issue. But the whole point of being in a party is that the party will vote with the majority. And that's the end of it what I would say on this.
And because I don't want to join a pylon here and I am, I'm a little bit torn on this one, because DOMI wrong. I think her position is untenable. She should absolutely be removed.
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Two sure, sure, just hear me out for one second. At some point you've got to step back and say, Okay, she's twenty nine years old and she's been in the parliament for two years. Now, any other job, you get a twenty nine year old in there, who's been in the job for two years, you put all sorts of supports around them, training and mentorships and blah blah blah. I don't think, I don't think, I know for a fact, we don't do that in any party, in any parliament
in the country. That she was genuinely, I think surprised at when what being removed from the party room meant, which does mean, yes, you cut off the WhatsApp, you cut off the whips list, you cut off I think she just knew that she is so right and true that I've got a whole bunch of ways to fight back when I get criticized for doing what to do.
But again, that's look again, the numbers don't change in the Senate, even if she's not going to be part of the Labor Party, that the left wing block stays in place. Right, so the governmentill continue to do what it does. Also, just quickly, I want to talk about the live sheep export thing, right because again this vote comes up in about fifteen minutes time, most likely Green to pocock.
All the rest of it. They turn around and end up putting the sword to the industry. But can I just quickly talk about Kate Chaney. She's the teal from Western Australia in the seat that I think Juli Buership had at one point in time in the Lower House. She's all gung ho about, you know, killing it off because that's you know, what the love's wanted. Then she turns around and pretends she's changed her mind.
That's on the evidence I've seen. In the last year, I laid out the arguments for and against and said on balance I would support the ban. Since then, I've changed my mind, And the last few days I've heard so many stories from constituents and other Western Australians about the very real impacts of ban would have on them on their livelihoods, their mental health, their families and their communities.
If the industry were to continue. I would want to see strong oversight and better measures of sheep welfare than just mortality.
But you see, of course, the reason that she's been able to change her mind is because she knows that she's going to get what she really wants when the Senate votes, which is pretty pea week right, quick break back with moorn here in a moment on pulmriray line. Pleenty to talk about, including should Joe stay or go? Looking forward to it next? All right, I've held it
off for long enough. Let's talk about Joe Biden, Sam Crosby looking forward to four more years of the greatest presidents all time, a vibrant candidacy, and of course Holly Hughes, who's standing by in the Senate in Canberra, who's just enjoying the fun that's happening right now. So let's say not muck around saying.
The state of American democracy is not strong, is it not? You know, yes, we've all seen the clips of Joe stumbling and bubbling through the debate, the image of two of them arguing about who's got the better golf game. It was genuinely bizarre, genuinely strange, and you think this is you know, what would Vladimir Putin or presidency be thinking watching this, saying one of these guys is the next president?
What the presidents for life in both scenarios. Sure, okay, so what we're watching now, family blame everyone else. They're the ones who decided to keep him out there, right, Staff blaming the makeup art and the makeup artists, all the makeup artists. We don't know. We're not in the family, all the rest of it. But it feels like the media freak out publicly is louder than the machine freakout, which is apparently quite loud behind the scenes. So does
he get another chance? Do you think it's a sooner rather than later, or this is a long burn? If there is to be a.
Chair, I think he's sneaked himself. And I think he was snooked as soon as he put Carmela Harris in the ticket four or five years ago. Correct, So if he were to pull out at any stage, I genuinely and I see these people with their flights of fancy saying I'm Michelle Obama or this purpose, it's not going to happen. If he pulls out, it'll be Karmela Harris almost certainly correct. And if that happens, I think that's a worse outcome. For them than Joe, even in his diminished state.
So Holly again, right, Like we look at the data, we talk about it all the time. It's not about fifty states. It's not about a two horse race. It's a five horse race basically in five or six states. We've also seen in America that in Pennsylvania in their Senate election there's a guy called John Fetterman, he had a stroke. It literally was a meat puppet versus a
TV doctor. Everyone just goes to their corners. Yes, independence, they all saw what they saw, right, and I think on lore of averages they're going to go Trump's way right now. But what does it tell you about the sort of institutional way that kind of people who talk about politics for a living freak out on TV. But then the people who should be saying the Emperor has no clothes all go out on TV and say it just was one bad night.
Well, it was a pretty bad night. And I don't know if you watched the whole thing where when I was in an inquiry, so I didn't get to watch it all, but I did over the weekend, and I've got to tell you it took me quite a way to get through it. Because it was just so painful to watch and it get paused and I go back because I mean, it was just incredible to watch the performance. And I think, to Sam's point, the golf swing and the handicap was I think a phenomenal part of it.
Just very very strange. But the blame now that's being cast around on why he had such a night is quite frankly ridiculous. I mean, he's a professional, He's been doing this for four decades. There's no way you don't know which camera is on you to look down at that point in time. It's just it's just it's fascical.
But to the point about Kamala Harris, they've the Democrats have been out over the past couple of days since the debate, raising millions and millions of dollars and under campaign finance law that cannot be used for any other candidate other than Joe.
Biden or great points. So you know, all of this.
Money that they've been raising, if they're going to make a change, they're going to have to make it sooner rather than later, because that war chest is going to be very very empty if they wait until August, you know, and they're going to have all this money that they can't use put aside for Biden.
That is such a brilliant point because again, basically we're in a scenario where he's doing any and everything he can to fortify himself when the debate was it, when the convention is, be it who the vice president is be it via the money. And also he knows that when push comes to shove, all the people who want to take over in four years time are all going to have to back him now for the hope that should he win or even should he lose, that he
gets to put his machine behind them. It's fascinating to watch. But again, the big news tonight two hours from now, at Supreme Court comes out and makes this decision about whether presidential immunity means anything you do while you're the president you can never be held legally responsible for, or whether there's some sort of midpoint and the charges would stay in things like say a January sixth. That'll be fascinating.
You'll see the details in the middle of the night, if like me, you'll be doing an all nighter, or you'll see it tomorrow morning with Pete Stefanovic. Thank you very much, Senator, Future Senator, we will see you again tomorrow night. Get ready for the late debate here on Sky NEWSTUDA