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Paul Murray Live | 1 December

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The fight against Australia Day started early. Plus, Paul looks at why the state of Western Australia matters even more in the leadup to the next election, and Brisbane doing it tough amid a surge of wild summer storms. 

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Speaker 1

From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thanks guys, Happy Sunday wherever you happen to be.

Speaker 2

It has been a wet Sunday for a significant parts of the country sincebod was a Sydney absolutely copying it, which means we heard World War news coverage of it because that's where much of the media lives.

Speaker 1

My focus, however, is on Brisbane, where.

Speaker 2

Many of their birds copped the best part of seventy mills in less than twenty four hours. Here is some of the stuff that has happened as creeks, lakes and even parts of the river start to overflow. Sadly flooding nothing near to Queensland, but this is the first day of summer, means we should talk about something that flooded. The m one had trains suspended, a whole bunch of stuff affecting very normal people like you.

Speaker 3

This Sunday's my running path here and yeah, not going for a run today.

Speaker 4

I've never seen a go this fast. It just came up fast and it was a real shock. Are we cleaning up right now so hopefully we'll get open in a couple hours. Can't get through fully flooded.

Speaker 1

And I didn't realize it had to come up this far.

Speaker 2

Actually again, do everyone affected joke about the suburbs and the media For the non media people, obviously, my thoughts are with the you, strength and life to everyone who's having to deal with this stuff start of summer. It's the country that we live in, but that doesn't mean that we don't have to respond to things like this. As for the Bureau, this is their insight today.

Speaker 5

There was a handful of locations in the southeast that saw their weddest December Day in around twenty years.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 2

While this is happening for lots of Australians, I want you to know the Prime Minister is okay. In fact better than okay, because despite the fact that this weekend was the lowest number of auction clearances that have happened all year, there were plenty of places that were for sale, including, of course, as you know, a Prime ministerial investment property.

But before I get to that, just sixty three zero point four percent of homes that were sold under the Hammer based on the preliminary data that is held together by core Logic. This is down from sixty five point three percent of war properties available last week. This is the worst result that has happened this year, which matches what happened about a month ago in the first week

of November. But I mentioned the Prime Minister because you do need to know that our Prime Minister, who was, of course one of us, always focused on people when it comes to cost of a living. To drive that point home, remember a couple of months ago he bought a four point.

Speaker 1

Three million dollar place.

Speaker 2

Oh it might be the place he retires to fingers crossed the Australian people send him there earlier than he plans to send many other people to the wall. Well, of course, to actually pay off the four and a bit million dollars, he had to offload some of his investment properties, principally one in the Inner West place called Dulich Hill, nice little joint. Now he's had some trouble here. I mean again, I want people to understand, Okay, a little bit of flash flooding here and there, but the

real victim is none of than the Prime Minister. Apparently struggling to flowed the property. He had to drop the price on the property. But relax everyone, he's going to be able to make the four point three million dollars because he has sold this weekend the joint for one point seven five million dollars. No wonder he is all

thumbs up. And don't forget the reason I'm including Penny Wong is while many Australians struggle under the cost of living issues going into this Christmas, she bought a joint in Adelaide for three point four million dollars. Jesus pays to be paid by everyone else. Right, These are lifers of our political system, the result of which is millions of dollars to spend on property that's far better than the extreme majority of Australians could ever wish to own,

even if they won second prize in lotto. Meantime, the reality for Australians many this Christmas. This is why this

stuff's tone deaf. It's why people are frustrated. Remember we told you about half of the people using the Channel one website saying that they're going to have to pull back on some of their spending this Christmas cost a living Christmas even heard that term at lunch today being used by family members about why adults aren't going to be giving presents to each other this year, and a shocking three median people, remember, are this close to homelessness.

Three and a half million. Don't even know where the next meal is coming from.

Speaker 1

But it's okay everyone.

Speaker 2

The Prime Minister sold not his main house but his investment praise for one point seven because he needs to pay four point three for the place that one day he'll retire to the place that just so happens to be accessed by a road that his government is going to be upgrading. Which the one thing that is true about the first of December. A part of the fact that we start to have nice stuff like this around, the weather starts to change.

Speaker 1

We are on our way to a federal election.

Speaker 2

Now there could be one as early as the start of March. If it's the start of March and it's called at the end of January thirty three days. That basically is how the maths works. However, Parliament, if it comes back at all, I don't think it will. But if it does, it'll only be for a couple of weeks and then we're off to March or April.

Speaker 1

Very little chance of it getting to May.

Speaker 2

But I wanted to give you an idea about how they are going to fight things between now and official election time or when Parliament comes back early next year, the Prime Minister in Peter Dutton will be dueling election style campaigns across the country and the short run to the summer break, both leaders said to unveil competing policies targeting households in the group of the prolonged cost of living crisis helps, of course, if you've just been able

to offload the one point seventy five million dollar investment property to help pay the what four hundred thousand dollars stamp duty four a deposit and stamp duty that he may well have to pay on his four point three But you know he gets you. The mister Prime Minister's off to Western Australia after personally intervening to get rid

of the Nature positive legislation. Now, one of the problems with the Nature Positive legislation was that it was going to work very much like the Aboriginal Heritage legislation that the West Australian government put in place. Was so bad that it helped Western Australia be one of the biggest states in the country evading no and the mere whiff of it would end up killing off Labour's prospects in

Western Australia. But surprise, surprise, there's always a little detail I'll get to in a moment that they don't want you to see. Mister Dutton is going to be targeting Labor and the teal seats in Western Australia, Victoria and New so Well, South of Australia, Tasmania, Queensland, the Northern Territory,

meaning he's going everywhere. But I'm pleased to say, yeah, he's going everywhere, right the act the only place is not going but he's going to go from Queensland in New South Wales to Victoria, to Tasmania, South Australia to Western Australia, thank you, Scoop and the Northern Territory to visit all of the key seats and the lead up to Christmas. But one of the reasons I need you to stick with us when the cricket's on, and I mean the tests, the Big Bash, when the Carols are on,

all the rest of it. Right, please series link the show if you have the chance to on the Fox cell box hit us as the What Show. If you watch us on one of the apps like Flash or Binge, or of course if you're watching us right now on Skinney's Regional again. Find a way to see you linked the program and did you see every episode before now and when we take the Christmas break, because now is

when they assume you are not paying attention. Because if you are not paying attention, then guess what they can do. A whole bunch of stuff that they are able to fly under people's noses and people won't notice going into the next election.

Speaker 1

My job between now.

Speaker 2

And when we break up in a little whole's time is to keep an eye on the bouncing ball.

Speaker 1

So you don't have to.

Speaker 2

But please join us nine o'clock AUSTRAIGHTI in the eastern daylight time every night, regardless of what else is on in terms of cricket, fun or anything else.

Speaker 1

I get it.

Speaker 2

But please return to our show, watch it live, watch it on delay, watch the videos on YouTuber at skynews dot com dot a you because there's details like this Prime Minister might be off to Western Australia too, among other things. Say oh that nature positive thing dead Bury cremated. It's not happening now again. Remember the nature positive legislation was being negotiated in chief by the Environment Minister Tanya Plubasik.

Now she hasn't had a fantastic year, particularly the gold mine was being, among other things, banned because of well local populations and very specific, very specific cultural reasons. But let's get back to the Nature Positive plan for a better environment, which is better for business. This was the spin from the same people who said, let's change to eighty three percent renewables because it'll bring down your power prices by two hundred and seventy five. Neither of those happened. Well,

here's the three strokes are out now. The inside deal that most people paid attention to last week was that the Prime Minister seemingly sort of leapfrogged over the Minister to overrule the Minister for this thing to make its way through the Parliament with the help of the Greens. Now remember three quarters of the stuff that they end up passing is with support of the Greens, with support of.

Speaker 1

The left wing crossbench.

Speaker 2

That I only had a thing about the Nature Positive and inside the secret EPA deal. Remember the Environmental Protection Agency, the one that will go after you for tree clearing like it has in Queensland, or this will go national. It was announced literally the day before the last election because they didn't want any scrutiny on it. Well, the scrutiny on it was about to pass the parliament, however, the Prime Minister apparently stepped in and said, no, no, no,

this is a step too far. The policy that I announced the day before the last election, the policy that I told you to go and negotiate. No no, no, no, this is terrible and it must be stopped. So what you probably saw on the news last week was stuff like this from the Greens.

Speaker 5

We were very clear from the beginning of these negotiations that if you want laws that protect nature, you've got to stop the logging and you've got to stop the pollution. It was made very clear to us that the Prime Minister was not going to budge on a climate on those climate demands, so we put them aside. But even that wasn't enough to satisfy the vested interests of Gina ran Hart and the mining industry. You don't have to

take my word for it. They were out crowing that they had won the day before anyone else even knew.

Speaker 1

Please.

Speaker 2

Yes, there was mining and very significant employers who paid more tax than anyone else in the country who were saying this was a good thing because the laws went too far. Again, this stuff was announced the day before, not at the campaign launch, not weeks before, not months before, not years before. In opposition, it was done the day

before in part to save Terry Butler. Yes, that Terry Butler, the very woke labor minister shadow minister who ended up getting rolled by a Green in the seat of Griffith, which is the old Karen Rudd's seat. And yes, the miners were happy that this thing had gone away. Why am I talking about this at the start of another week, because guess what. The Prime Minister has not killed off the legislation. What he has killed off is the fight.

What he has killed off is people who hated their heritage legislation in Western Australia being able to waive this legislation in his face when he turns up there at the start of the fake election campaign. Now, if you think that's the spin that the Guardian has put on it, here he is, in his own words today on Taxpayer TV.

Speaker 6

Well, it's our intention to proceed with them, but will proceed with them on the basis of our values that we put forward. These laws could have been carried at any time over recent months, if the Parliament had the numbers to vote for.

Speaker 2

Them, Nature positive is not dead. The promise still exists, the legislation still exists, and the intent still exists now. James Ashby whill join us on the show a little bit later. He was one of the first to build the cats on how bad this was, and that was when it was just their version of the legislation. Matt Canavan, who has spoken about it many times in the months of this thing's been going through the Parliament, has built the cat that this thing is as bad as, if

not worse than, the heritage legislation in Western Australia. So as the Prime Minister tries to curry favor with West Australian voters by pretending that he's put two in the back of this bad piece of legislation, by his own admission on television today.

Speaker 1

It's still alive.

Speaker 2

It's still well and he if you got better numbers than the Senate would pass it like that. That is the reality of what is happening right now. Why you have to be here each and every night so we can tell you what they are trying to hide. As people start to turn their attention to the gifts sort of go under the tree the sport was played at this time of the year. Or frankly and understandably, people who've got to that time of the year where they're kind of over it. We're not to be here each

and every night. Thank you for joining me over here. So Western Australia, why does it matter? Well, it always matters, but why does it matter in particular when it comes to this election. You would recall that in the twenty twenty two election, Now Quacus couldn't vote, but I love Western Australia. That was us heading off to Rotnest Island this year. Ourtown will be back by the way next year.

So if you'd like to give us an idea of locations, we should go to Hey, send me an email right outound at skydews dot com that are you outdoud at skynews dot com that are year.

Speaker 1

There am at Roddy.

Speaker 2

Hopefully you get a chance to go and see them catch the ferry over from Frio.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 2

As for the actual voting in Western Australia at the last federal election, there was a significant change from people who had voted Coalition in the past to moving across to Labor. You can see they're ten points down. It meant that a whole collection of seats moved, sometimes for the first time ever from blue to red. Labor the key beneficiary a little bit off in minor parties, but you can see that basically people walk from one side of the street.

Speaker 1

To the other.

Speaker 2

But I want to give you an idea, not just that, oh this massive swing of here's the reality. Right, if about thirty thousand people change their mind, or even fifteen thousand people change their mind, then those margins start to close, and seats that they currently have will they become at the very best marginal or they may well start flowing back the Coalition's way.

Speaker 1

Simply, we will all next.

Speaker 2

Year, regardless of what time the election is be looking to Western Australia as its polls close a couple of hours or three depending on Australian Daylight savings time or Australian Eastern Standard time, we will start to have a look at Western Australia because Western Australia, if the Coalition is a chance of forming a minority, well they have to win seats in Western Australia for Labor to be able to hold onto a majority, but most likely not.

They will have to hold on to everything they currently have in Western Australia. Hence why the first port of call for the Prime minister post what has just taken place in the Parliament, among other things, the nature positive legislation. Oh, it's completely been thrown in the just into the top draw. Okay, that's where it lives. So I need to show you the seats that are in danger.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 2

Remember some of these things like Pierce might seem like jeez, that's not a marginal seat. Well of course population wise, and if only what between fifteen thirty thousand people change their mind, all of these things could switch back from red to blue. In terms of the Blue though they need to be able to improve on their performance from twenty twenty two. They can't afford to lose more Canning,

Duraq Forest or O'Connor. So again, all of these margins are relatively close in a state where the population is not as populous to say a Victoria or New South Wales, and the electorates if they swing, they could swing hard. And we know that there's a lot of issues with the local government. So that's why Western Australia matters. It also is why when the Prime Minister turns up in

Western Australia and pulls off garbage like he did. Remember when he turned up and the reporter for the newspaper was, oh, sir, can you sign a pledge here that you're not going to change anything about the GST. Remember who the reporter was, somebody who was a media advisor to a minister in the Albanese government when they were the Albanese government, no way back when. But in the Albanese government it was essentially a Labor Party stunt done with a staffer who was of labor extraction.

Speaker 1

That nature positive and the.

Speaker 2

Ability for just a few people in an entire state to go from here to there and the entire picture could change.

Speaker 1

Western Australia will be the difference. Now.

Speaker 2

We've talked a lot in American politics about swing states and this matters, and this again marginal seats are all always what matters. But there are different things happening in different states around the country that will either show the coalition getting close enough to form its own version of minority or Labor falling back far enough to lose its majority. All of that will be decided in part by Western Australia. Every day between now and when that decision is made,

we're here keeping an eye on it for you. You can always see men Ema Paul It's goynews dot com dot Au further insight into things about that election coming up in the first little bit of next year.

Speaker 1

It'll be our.

Speaker 2

Focus from base today all the way through to when that happens. At Sky News has done a phenomenal job for many many elections. Now a political generation even more know that this is the place that has the key events. This is the place that does the best coverage, This is the place that has the best interviews. Add to that our phenomenal team that are working in digital as

always skynews dot com dot that's the new homepage. That's the first place that you're checking news each and every day, and you end the day with us here live on Palmurray Live or of course in podcast form again at skynews dot com dot Au. Lots of plugs because I know a couple of distractions between now and the end

of the year. So there is one question that is the only question that people should be debating between now and that next federal election, and it is am I better off than when Albo was not the prime minister, or since Albo's become the prime minister. I showed you last week the Red Bridge Poland. It showed fifty seven percent of people who are not better off than they were two and a half years ago. That question will of course become are you better off than you were

three years ago? If we get even close to May of next year. So the best part of sixty percent, about thirty percent who are okay, that's funnily enough about the primary vote of the Labor Party.

Speaker 1

They're not sures.

Speaker 2

Now, even if you moved every single person who's not sure over to yes, no, we'll still beat them. That's the simple mats here. Remember when you see not sure, don't know, we're undecided, split it in half. Guess what, No, we'll win by an even bigger margin than it currently does.

Speaker 1

But now I want to break down.

Speaker 2

A little more here in terms of locations worse off than you were before Albou became the Prime minister. For people who live in the cities, they are eighteen percent worse off, in the otta suburbs thirty three percent, in regional areas thirty one percent, and in rural areas twenty nine percent. Meantime, a bit more detail. They came today via James Campbell excellent colins in the Sunday Herald Sun, the Sunday Telegraph, the Sunday Mail Ties are and lots

of other places that are around today. Let's have a look about people who are in financial stress. Now this way, the people who agree are in the blue. The people who disagree are in the red. So those that are in a great deal of stress there are twenty five percent more of those than about the same or better off people are in some stress thirty one percent, some people that are in not much stress at all. Again, about thirty six percent of people there and not much stress.

So interesting here that those that are in trouble are in a world of trouble. Those that are doing okay, well, they're going to feel they are doing particularly well. But interesting again, when you start to break it down, are

you in some sort of financial stress? You can see they're The numbers are by twenty percent between the ages of eighteen to thirty four, twenty one percent between thirty five to forty nine, thirty percent between fifty to sixty four, and fifty six percent of people who are over the age of sixty five saying they are in financial stress right now. When it comes to jobs, doesn't matter if you're a professional, a blue collar worker, sales worker, somebody

who's not working with, someone who's retiring. All of them are in some sort of financial stress. It doesn't matter if you earn three thousand dollars a week between two and three, between one and two, less than one will prefer not to say all of those people are in financial stress. But apparently the Prime Minister, according to one of the write ups and one of the friendly parts of.

Speaker 1

The press, he's got a brand new catchphrase.

Speaker 2

This all comes from apparently one term that he used before Parliament finished at the end of the week, and apparently you're going to hear a lot of this between now and the election.

Speaker 6

We've got your back, is our message to Australian parents.

Speaker 2

Well, you might have our back, Prime Minister, but Australians have got size nine steel cap shoes.

Speaker 1

And while you're talking.

Speaker 2

About backs, there might be a little bit lower that some of those shoes may well end up be booting him in the political sense next to you for being crass.

Speaker 1

But I am a bogan.

Speaker 2

After all being the first of December, I can officially declare this to be not just the start of summer, but the earliest time I have ever discussed the debate, the fight, the minority view about Australia Day. As you may will have heard by now, we discussed it, of course in the Sunday Showdown a.

Speaker 1

Couple of hours ago.

Speaker 2

There is a very significant company called the Australian Venues Company, and they are the second biggest pub owner in the country, and they have told us at the very start of summer, do not expect any recognition whatsoever at all when it comes to Australia Day. Why because they believe, among other things, that what makes Australia great in its venues happens all the way through the year, and that Australia Day is a day that causes sadness for some members of our community.

So we've decided not to specifically celebrate a day that hurts for some of our patrons and our team. Now, is it there right to take this position?

Speaker 1

Sure? Is it your right to move your money from their venues? Absolutely? Now, before we start getting into a game.

Speaker 2

Where all the right wings calling for a boycott, don't know I'm just saying it's up to you. You've got lots of ways you can respond to this, and all of them should be respectful. Okay, we're not the mob that's going around and carrying on like the extreme left does.

Speaker 1

Okay, you can write a letter, you can.

Speaker 2

Try to contact the bosses here, but again, most importantly, you can decide where your money goes now because of the way that basically, if you've got any problems with the negative gearing system where somebody ends up buying five or six houses, well, the pub industry is basically that on steroids, because once you've got your first couple, you're able to borrow against the value of those, and then

suddenly you're five pub operation becomes well two hundred. We know that basically you can't lose money, and in part that's because of gaming machines and many of the venues which are going to be affected by the ban here, and there's lots of them in lots of different states. You are going to see that while they will be saving people hurt by not marking Australia Day, you'll still be able to lose your life savings in a poker

machine at that venue on January twenty six. Now, again, there are supposedly laws about responsible service of alcohol, now supposedly about responsible service of gaming, and I would assume that every member of their team is well trained and absolutely this company follows that law. But again, if we're going to start playing games about the greater emotional significance of a day, why are they still in a business that serves alcohol. Why are they still in a business that,

of course has, among other things, poker machines. Now this one's a little tough for me, and I'm not going to sit on the fence about it because one of the venues is a place that I have loved my entire adult life, and until it's under new management, I won't be going back. And that's what you can do with your dollars. I'll make sure that I put up the list of all of their venues. Again, respectful, do not ring them and abuse them, Do not have a go at the bar staff. It's not their decisions, it's

somebody apparently in the marketing department. This decision will only be changed if there is a consequence to their business of a downturn in trade, if they have the quieter summer. Again, I don't want people to be losing their jobs, particularly not during a cost of living crisis. But I want the management to understand that there are multiple views about our national Day, including the majority view, which is that

the day should be marked. Because if there's anyone who believes that moving the date to a different day will somehow remove the central issues, that mean companies like the organizations who protest against it won't because it's April fourteenth, Well then no. The whole point is of this movement is to stop a celebration of modern Australia, the modern Australia where you can slowly but surely end up building so many businesses that you've got a couple of hundred

pubs with many hundreds more poker machines. But you jump up on that high horse, guys, shame. I really like the place they've been going for a long term, really really nice people, and they know what I like, and I like going there and it's a lovely thing every until they change. Now I always talk about other people's money, perfect example. Of course, it's a government council's all the rest of it, just piddling away your tax money up against the wall.

Speaker 1

Why because they can Why because they do.

Speaker 2

But there's a version of this that has just seeped into our political system everywhere there's an attempt to do it at the federal level. It's been passed in Western Australia and Queensland, in Victoria and now South Australia, which is this move to a system where the politicians stand up and so we are no longer accepting donations.

Speaker 1

We are taking big money out of politics. All sort of code for the client palmers spending, but the teal billionaire completely fine.

Speaker 2

We will set up a scenario where the unions are completely independent entities, despite the fact that, of course they're fifty percent of the Labor Party.

Speaker 1

Check their constitution.

Speaker 2

Well, the amount of money that the taxpayer in South Australia is going to hand two political parties has gone up. Why because they're getting rid of money out of politics.

Speaker 1

No.

Speaker 2

No, they're not turning around and saying the amount of money that politics spends, political parties spend is going to go down. It's just you, the taxpayer, are going to pay for not just the election campaign, but for everything

that is promised in an election campaign. It also means they have no need to have a relationship with the private sector, which brings me back to that idea of discussed before, this modern labor party idea that if the majority of the population is either dependent on government via welfare, dependent on government by working for government, or if you're a business that your biggest client is government, then all those people in the private sector can just bugger off

a nice way to stay in power forever because everyone has either got the handout while they've got the hand into the pocket of the people who don't have their handout. The proposed laws will introduce about fifteen to twenty million dollars more funding by a taxpayers money that will be going to political parties and MPs. The vast majority of that is going to go to the Liberal and Labour parties. Who's making that point somebody from a less lefty think tank.

They don't like this, but of course the Greens will end up with more taxpayers money. The public funding. So public funding supports encumbents over new entrants, and that's a big problem because there's an unleveled playing field when it comes to trying to contest elections. Yeah, you see, that's it too, is that if you have a scenario where the party that got more votes of the last election ends up with more money than anyone else who's running.

Speaker 1

Guess what happens your ability to raise money.

Speaker 2

If you're somebody who is entering the system as an independent all all the way up to being the opposition. It's not as much money as the government. It's a way of governments trying to permanently brick themselves into power with firstly a financial advantage over all of their political competitors, a dependent population, a working for government population, or a business that doesn't want to upset government because then their contracts, of course go up in smoke.

Speaker 1

Nothing to see here, nothing to see here at all.

Speaker 2

But when we are talking about other people's money, there is one thing that I would like state government.

Speaker 1

To spend a lot more money on, and it's potholes.

Speaker 2

Now people like to center out are all over the shop saying about what their priorities are and extra money for this focus. I went in great chapter and verse about how terrible the Victorian system is. One where the triplo system check your Google machines, kids, is one that sometimes can break down, so the disp are passing paces of paper around to tell people where to go Australians will not believe any government is there to truly fix

anything until you fix the freaking potholes. If you can't put a bit of ashphalt into the ground at the end of my street, then how can I trust you're going to be able to have a school system that will send kids forward not backwards?

Speaker 1

How will you have a police force that will enforce you get the point right. It is not just.

Speaker 2

The example, but it is the symptom of the system that has broken. Now, it'd be lovely if they state government turn around said look, here's the deal.

Speaker 1

Our main priority for four years.

Speaker 2

Is we're going to fix up all of the roads, particularly regional roads in Victoria. When we were talking to people at the Outown show in Bendigo last week, number one issue for many of them was the dog tracks that are regional roads from swan Hill over to Bendigo and terrible that road is one from Melbourne to swan Hill because the further you get away from where the people are, apparently.

Speaker 1

Your roads should fall away garbage. You pay enough tax.

Speaker 2

To your local government, to your state government, and your federal goverment, in fact, more than you've ever paid in your life. Yet they can't fix things like the potholes. I don't know if I need to where a ribbons start a slogan or say we should have.

Speaker 1

A national conversation. But could someone somewhere tell me who's dropping the ball?

Speaker 2

And while it's easy to turn around say oh, it's a local council because they spend too much money on woke stuff at the library.

Speaker 1

Not true.

Speaker 2

Is it the federal government who supposedly were supposed to take the fuel taxes along with the state governments and put that into taking care of the roads.

Speaker 1

You bet you.

Speaker 2

But as I've shown you before, with a structural deficit in the federal and state budgets for the next forty years, they take the money that should be going into fixing our roads. Instead they put it on their little projects. Or and my favorite one, they give multi billion dollar corporations your tax dollars so they hold events in your city and in your state. Now again, I would love

Taylor Swift to play every stadium in Australia. But if the taxpayers of a certain state have to choose between potholes or concerts, it's pretty obvious to me which one they should choose. Send your complaints to somebody else, because I'm right on this one. Quick shout out to Paul Fatty Vhughton, who's entered his television career today. He's been associated in and around Channel nine of course for the

whole time, best but thirty something years. Congratulations to hum and a team that won Logi after.

Speaker 1

Logi after Logi after Logi with his role on the Footy Show. All the best to him and his family meantime.

Speaker 2

A good decision made by this government, but it's one that's been made by previous governments as well, and that is to start to talk more about endometriosis.

Speaker 1

Too many women around our tree.

Speaker 2

Our sisters, our mums, our mates, they hurt because of this, not just the physical pain, but the difficulties in the falling pregnant. And it's good to see that a drug that is going to help is now going to be listed on the PBS. Whoever made that decision, Yeah, well done, a good idea and finally the most Melbourne story that I could possibly think of. You know how Melbourne Central there's that beautiful old tower. Well somebody didn't like that.

Somebody decided to put a banner on it, trying to flog a beer the world's biggest beer tower, because you know beer towers all the rest.

Speaker 1

Oh disgraceful, How dam you.

Speaker 2

They didn't knock it down, They just covered it with an ad. That's the most Melbourne story I could think of today. While the potholes that you would go through getting to Melbourne Central, well they could ruin your car.

Speaker 1

But whatever, protect the chimney.

Speaker 2

Quick break back with more, looking forward to night's discussion Bold Predictions for the Weak Ahead and.

Speaker 1

The reality about Nature Positive.

Speaker 2

Thanks for watching us Sunday night, and I'm and heavy handed to night, but I repeat here every night because you can pay attention and nothing else.

Speaker 1

Will come back one hour every night and I'll.

Speaker 2

Tell you what's really going on. Honestly, thank you so much for watching. James Ashby from One Nation joins us. Well, she said no fixed address politically, but we know it's labor is none of them? The lovely lid of Scott Hello and lovely to see you both. So James, we talked about Nature Positive. In fact, you were the first person to turn me on to what was happening with

Nature Positive. But because they couldn't do a deal with the greens, Oh, it's all been withdrawn, but the Prime Minister goes on television and says, no, no, it's still ready to go. Tell us what the original government idea is, right, the one that if they got a majority in the Senate they would still pass.

Speaker 3

Well, Paul, the whole idea of this nature positive bill, there's nothing positive about it. I might just say to all your viewers out there. They're trying to sell it as this, so look, this is an easy path for minds to get approved and environmental projects will just slip right through.

Speaker 4

Now, it's far from that.

Speaker 3

In fact, they've been very open and honest in there what very little information they have revealed to the public. They want to lock up thirty percent of the land, thirty percent of the oceans. That's put simple to anyone at home, and you can't do that without shutting down big projects, including mining, including fishing. And who's going to pay for that? We all are because our industry is here, particularly in the mining and commercial fishing. There what feed us?

Speaker 4

There?

Speaker 3

What feed the economy. They give plenty of jobs right across the country. And when you've got big players coming in making multi billion dollar decisions on where they put their money. Australia is not fit for purpose as it sits right now, especially with this legislation hanging over people's heads. Because what used to be six months to get a coal mine approved here in Queensland is now up to

nine and years. That's the reality of where the EPBC Act is at the present moment, and they want to put another layer or two of bureaucracy over the top of that with what they call the Nature Positive Bill.

Speaker 4

It's all bad news.

Speaker 3

Let's hope like hell that they never get it through between now and the election. Of course, you know, with all the speculation of an early election, it may not get up, but it's never dead until this government is gone.

Speaker 2

That's one simple, one hundred percent. The same with the censoring of the Internet stuff. Absolutely, Linda, why are we wrong?

Speaker 4

Look?

Speaker 7

The Nature Positive Bill is a really fantastic one for a couple of reasons, because it gives you a federal regulator to protect people of clean water, clean environment, clean air, the kinds of things that are actually really critical to healthy people, healthy communities, healthy lives. Most states have epas, they function really well. They're not shutting.

Speaker 4

Down the wide duplicated angering.

Speaker 7

While James Ashby. They're actually improving people's health and improving the health of their local environment. These things are really positive things and they're good for people and good for communities. The Prime Minister has given a commitment that the bills will be back in Parliament when Parliament is due to meet in February again. And here's the question that the Greens are going to have to talk to their communities about. In Ryan, in Melbourne, in Brisbane and Griffith, you could

have had nature positive laws passed today. You could have had to all those Green voters. You could have had a National Environmental.

Speaker 1

Protection you think you're watching it, But.

Speaker 7

The Greens voted against it, and so that's why this bill went down. And similarly, Peter Dutton to the Coalition right, he's going to have to make make a case to all those voters in teal seats in corect No page curtain Goldstein. I could go on and on and on. Those communities want protection for the environment and they could have had them had the Coalition voted for these laws last week.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

I don't want to go run around on this forever, but I do want to ask James one more question on this though, which is in Western Australia, the heritage laws were so bad that they sort of sung the voice before it started to sink everywhere else around the country. Queensland wasn't going for it at all. But basically this was not going to happen. Right in part Roger Cook

Western Stralian Premium. It turns around, says mate, please don't put these things in place, because basically double click exactly the same effect. But if Albo's still saying this thing's still coming, then what are they trying to do. Are they trying to assume most people are so stupid that they'll think that these things have been thrown in the bin, because I'm pretty sure people like yourself and active parties like One Nation will.

Speaker 1

Be more than willing to tell them what's still on the table.

Speaker 3

Well, Paul, that was the Cultural Heritage Bill that passed over in WA, and it caused all sorts of mayhem, not just for the mining industry, but for farmers or anyone with a slightly bigger housing block. You weren't even allowed to put a concrete driveway in your own property without seeking cultural approval to have that happen. We've got that right across the country. Now this is worse, and Lenda is right. We have got states with environ and

mental protection groups already established. Why are we duplicating it. As far as I'm concerned, this should be scrapped all together. We have so much duplication on a federal level. It doesn't matter whether it's education, whether it's the health minister. All these things belong as decisions to the states. So last thing we need to be doing is make it more and more difficult for investment to occur in this country.

And the number one group of people that will be affected, every one of those blue collar workers that work in It doesn't matter whether it's a goal mine or iron ore or coal mine, any new future projects, because as we know, the projects that you're working on will come to an end of life at some point, and unless there's future projects in the pipeline, you're not going to have a job to go to into the future. Good luck trying to get yourself a job that pays similar money,

because it won't exist in the renewables. You'll be put into that queue of learning how to make coffees for all those people that will be on the train, because that's that all will all that's left but arristed geeks.

Speaker 2

Yeah, well until of course AI takes over that and everything else in the next little while. All right, we know we're in the fake election campaign. Now between now and when either Parliament does or doesn't most likely why view doesn't come back early election has announced as soon as austraighted day a week after two weeks three. Anyway, I want to ask a slightly different way to talk about this issue than which is you're going to have like ninety seconds each.

Speaker 1

Okay, free advice.

Speaker 2

How do you think if you could give the prime minister advice you would stop Peter Dutton and get yourself re elected.

Speaker 7

Look again, the Prime Minister does not need my advice. And I think the government's done the work Cheaper childcare, increase wages, tax cuts of billions of dollars to every Australian that Australians.

Speaker 1

Were already regretting this scene, and then.

Speaker 7

The coalition your free tape, cheaper medicines.

Speaker 4

You know.

Speaker 7

I could go on and on about all the things that Tabor and the Prime Minister have delivered, but let's be clear.

Speaker 4

For all those places, if you look.

Speaker 7

Across the world, and if you look you know recently in elections labor will be the underdog. They will be the underdog because at the moment in the world elections right across the world, underdogs are having a.

Speaker 1

Tough So what's done in soft belly that you'd poke out?

Speaker 7

I think he's got to tell people why he thinks nuclear power plants that can't be built for decades will deliver cheaper power to communities. They won't. He's got to tell them why there was no research done on the land that these power plants were promised on, why communities weren't consulting.

Speaker 1

You're going all in onw.

Speaker 7

Outline of vision. He's got an outline of vision for the future of Australia, and all he's done so far is just block bills, block ideas, block progress. He's just so negative.

Speaker 2

Well, perhaps when you think somebody is doing the wrong thing and you keep saying no, I don't know that that's negative. But still I was going to say I didn't interrupt you, and then I realized.

Speaker 1

I interrupt you for that. You well, I mean credit, Yeah, I did my best.

Speaker 2

You wait till like the bold predictions where I do buy my tongue's best. I can James reverse though free advice. How does somebody take on Albert?

Speaker 3

Look, the Labor Party will be going in as the underdog, but the problem is you've got at least thirty five percent of the Australian population that don't want to vote for either of the two major parties One Nation. We know we're not going to be government in this next term of parliament. I'd hoped that we have more of a say in our Senate. I hope that One Nation win seats there. But it's going to take bold ideas.

It's going to take a reversal of the path that we've been on for the last three years under this government, but more importantly, the path that the Coalition have been distracted to go down in the past fifteen years. And I think the number one priority for the next government would have to be to ensure that we don't allow the volumes of people into this country that we've been taking.

You cannot accept the million people into a country and still expect to house them and provide a cheap way of life when rental prices are going through the roof. So there's got to be a bold stance on immigration. I also think too, we're certainly going to be taking the argument to the Australian people that we've got to make citizenship tougher to get and if you're a bad bugger,

you won't get citizenship in this country. I'm tired of those dead shits that we allow into this country and we simply give them citizenship within a couple of years and they play up to such a point we can't get rid of them.

Speaker 4

So we've got to make it harder. There's going to be.

Speaker 3

A whole raft of bold initiatives that need to be taken from the Conservatives if we're to roll this government.

Speaker 2

Jeez, I know he just had a little practice, but mate, anytime you want to run for the Senate or somewhere else.

Speaker 1

Run, James run.

Speaker 2

I love that stuff. Notice I didn't interrupt h because I don't disagree. Sadly, that's just the way it works when you.

Speaker 1

Have the show.

Speaker 7

I disagree with almost everything here.

Speaker 2

I have no doubt what a Christmas party it had been. All right, Quick down, great back with more, some bold predictions for the week ahead, lots of other stuff in the intrade. More in a moment here on Paul Murray Live and Don't Forget yeah, outown, we're looking at where to go next to you.

Speaker 1

Send it some emails outtown.

Speaker 2

It's gonnus dot com dot au with your suggestions.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much for watching.

Speaker 2

We're here of course Sunday night, spending it with two people who agree on everything, James Ashby and Lynda Scott. Think of it as like a little training session for the upcoming family event that you may be having in the next little while, although I think most Australian events we just go whatever.

Speaker 1

Mate, Anyway, what's going on? You are right, which is the way it should be.

Speaker 2

Okay, So Melbourne having a conversation on its fringes about more housing.

Speaker 1

Why because we are more people.

Speaker 2

In the country than we have had ever before, and of course there are not enough places to put them. But guess what, depending on where the area is, locals turn around and say not in my backyard. And there are politicians that will cater to them, like the Teals, the Greens, or in this case the Victorian Opposition leader was often shaking hands with people who want to stop

a significant amount of unit developments in those parts of Melbourne. Linda, as somebody who's seen it from the local council area.

Speaker 1

I mean, I can't.

Speaker 2

Think of anything more emotive for people, then why is my area changing?

Speaker 1

Right? And I understand why.

Speaker 2

People feel that, But if the people were consistent about their view, I think they'd have a strong view about limiting immigration as well. But they're all for bigger stratag just as long as it's not my suburb that gets bigger.

Speaker 1

How does one square that circle?

Speaker 7

Look, I do think it's tricky because we know we have a shortage of houses, and some of that is because of materials and some of it's because of skill shortages. But in part we do need to get on and build more housing and more housing in places that are close to jobs. So we've seen the opposition leader in Victoria kind of oppose a lot of this new housing and also say we should be going out to the regions. Now,

I'm also for all new housing in the regions. Great, but the problem is you've then got to find a way to fund the roads. You've got to find to fund the hospitals, fit the pothole have these increased population centers in different places. So we do need to have these sensible conversations. I continue to think, and I'll say this to my dying day. Local governments are the best place to have these conversations, and so kind of stripping away planning powers from councils where they don't want to

give them a way that does make communities upset. I think councils are really well placed as a level of government to go to communities and say, hey, listen, you know, do you think this block or this street do we need a new oval here. As a result, they're good at doing that place based planning. But we can't avoid the fact that we need more houses. We can't afford them. We can't avoid the fact that we need more affordable housing. And look, I do want to make this point. We

should not make people choose between superannuation and housing. We should not allow a policy that allows people.

Speaker 1

To draw down this if they're going to earn.

Speaker 7

And it's going to pump up house prices.

Speaker 2

And we know that we will have a chat in another day about that. Immigration pushes it up as well. Scarcity is part of the issue too, James. Again, there's always going to be the politician who turns around says leave everything the way that it is, please vote for me, right, great, But unless that person is consistent across all those areas.

Then they're talking out there proverbial, right, And you've seen this when you're running for state, Right, There'll always be someone who's going to try to take that lane.

Speaker 1

But when it's the alternative.

Speaker 2

Premiere of Victoria, I mean, you can't have it both ways. It can't just all go to Swann Hill and Bendingo.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Look, I must admit where I am in Kooey Bay here in your poon. I don't want to see high density living in my little pocket because I bought there, because I like the fact.

Speaker 4

That we're all low density here.

Speaker 3

We can pull up out the front of the house there and we're not fighting for cast spaces, and we're not fighting to try and get access to the beach. We've got no shortage of land in this country. If you haven't had a look on the map, very minute amount of it has been developed. The issue that we've got here is it's hard to get approvals. That is the biggest challenge that any developers face with in our area. And I think this stretches right across the whole country.

At the end of the day, if you don't want high density in your area, you should be allowed to say that you should be voicing that opinion to your local counselors or members of parliament, and you should be listened to. I certainly don't want high rise apartments built beside me.

Speaker 4

It's not what I'm looking for. So call me in Nimby if you want.

Speaker 3

But at the end of the day, people have a right to live in their communities, not some high density living.

Speaker 1

Area without giving anything away.

Speaker 2

I'm aware of that beautiful part of Australia that you're in and I agree with you.

Speaker 1

No change, don't change. Yeah, no want here.

Speaker 4

No, it's the worst. It's terrible.

Speaker 1

Yeah, isn't it all right?

Speaker 2

Let's get a bold prediction for the week ahead, Linda, what's definitely happening this week? No parliament around, So what's definitely happening this week?

Speaker 1

Is your bold prediction?

Speaker 7

Look, it's the first of December, so it's the official start of the Christmas season. I'm very excited. I want to say I'm picking up the wreath from the local flores tomorrow, I'm preaking up the Christmas tree from the local primary school fundraiser on Saturday. I'm very excited. I'm not going to be political. I will be another you know varieties at the show, PAULI, but it's the time.

Speaker 1

The prediction is, it's that time of the year.

Speaker 7

It's going to be good.

Speaker 1

I'm with you this. I'm pumped about it this year, looking forward to it.

Speaker 2

I've already got the Christmas lists anywhere now, James Bowl prediction for.

Speaker 4

You, Well, I think I've been on camera long enough tonight.

Speaker 3

The Miss Dessert, Mum and Dad's at one of the things will be working on for Christmas. Christmas, we'll be working on a cartoon for next year and it might be a weekly series.

Speaker 4

It'll be a movie, Paul, What a movie?

Speaker 1

Are you going to do it?

Speaker 4

Movie?

Speaker 1

Like a feeding and proper?

Speaker 2

Absolutely a movie of the please explain red carpet or orange carpet in.

Speaker 7

This case, genuinely terrified.

Speaker 1

No, it's bloody fantastic. I'm just thinking about how much rum ticket betwey daddy.

Speaker 2

I look forward to the cameo. All right, Thank you guys, do appreciate. We'll see you all again out there. Start should look that way right TV. All right, that is our shaff right, thank you very much for watching Royal Report on its way and we'll be back. Remember ignore everything else, just be here each and every night, looking forward to it,

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