Pats from the Past, Episode 20: Jarvis Green

It's time for another episode of Pats from the Past podcast. Matt Smith, alongside Brian Morian, were pleased today to be joined by former Patriots defensive lineman Jarvis Green. Jarvis, how you doing today?

I'm doing great, guys. How y'all doing doing great?

Let's see last we knew Jarvis? And to help Patriot fans, it's January twenty twenty one. It's we're taping this on the twenty first. I knew that you were in the shrimp business. I believe that that is. Is it something ninety seven?

Help me out? Yeah, it's Ocean's ninety seven.

Yes, sir, I got the movie you yeahh Ocean's eleven Oceans ninety seven. So you're still in the shrimp business. Yah, still in the shrimp business, but you doing other things. You're not a real deal entrepreneurs. Yeah, why don't we tell Patriot fans what you're up to these days?

So I have my shrimp business Ocean's ninety seven right now. Most of my product is like in a southern eights, you know, golf coasts, and then I'm on Amazon. So that's kind of where I've been been living, you know, with COVID the fact that we can't do we in store demos and all of that, you know. So so hopefully at some point we're gonna come up here, but it is what it is right now.

So also, but I'm up here because I have an app.

You know, I'm a team member with a company called Chef to You, and it's gonna be like you got the grub hubs, you got the uber eats, you got those different type of food apps. But this app is more about a chef delivering uh a meal, you know, to the to the customer.

I'm more of a are you looking at a high end sort of a thing?

Yeah? Over, no, no, no, no, it's all over.

But to think about this app is that all the traditional fast food change, we're never building that app.

It's more about the chefs.

So it won't be the McDonald's, Piece of Hood, Burger, king Domino, Chick fil A ever, But it's about the app. And it's like local restaurants, chef owners, you know, people that you know that to that today in this world, chefs are I mean, there are super heroes, you know, they've got the white hat, the white cape, and I think right now it's a perfect time for us, but this app has been created maybe well we've been talking about it, working on it for four years now, but

And so to be, like if I if I reach out through the app and I want to eat at Davio's, the chef at Davio's will be listed, yeah, and then I can pick from the menu that that chef has provided.

Yes, or you would just say I want Italian? You know, are Chinese? You know?

So like so yeah, so it would be that chef face. You know, you go into a virtual kitchen and Laila.

And so that chef has listed a couple of items that he or she is making that evening.

Yes for the app, yes, yes, And then we have different parts of a catering. We have food truck bartenders, buristas, private chefs, chef mills you know. You know, so we also have the instant meals of Gold, just like the traditional food apps.

Just like a defensive lineman to get into selling food.

It sounds like you keep it busy for sure.

Yeah, we stayed pretty busy. Uh, it's NonStop.

I know last year when COVID hit around March, that's where my business like went from I mean, you know, one hundred to two miles an hour, you know, so I had to change, had to pivot and some things that you know you have for me. I'm gonna say this, The way I live life is that I try to make sure that could cross every bridge that that I that I see will try to walk over and keep

And you're still you're living in Baton Rouge.

I'm in Baton Rouge now. I just bought a house like six months ago.

Congratulations. Do they want Adrian's ahead after last year?

They okay, nine know it's crazy to him, I'm bragging a little bit. So I sell Bass and Pep to LSU football team. So I'm always around. And this year was very very difficult after going fifteen to know the year before. Uh, Joe Burrow, I mean that you know, the team coach Ogeron. I mean, he recruited me when he was at Syracuse, so I love the guy to death, but it was so bad. I mean then the fact

So it stinks in battery rouge right now. But nobody wants his.

Head, Okay, So that's a nice pivot title a year earlier. I mean, you wanted if they wanted his head that quickly. That's that's a pretty tough.

Gig, absolute very tough.

So you mentioned coach and K's down there to mention.

Is he's doing great?

I mean I saw him a couple of times when when I'm inside the you know, in the coaches and in the locker room, and I see him walking around and he's happy just to be there.

I mean, he's the great.

Kevin Falk all the numbers he put up, but to be the running back coach there, hometown boy, you know, if Louisiana, I'm happy for him.

You know he has a smile at the grinch.

Just great, he's a patch from the past podcast.

Yes, that's right.

Yeah, okay, you mentioned Saban Jarvis. When you were in college and you played for Nick, did you ever think in that experience at college, well, listen, there can't be a harder coach than this guy, right, I mean, like there this is If I can play for this guy, I can play for anybody. Was that your thought? Maybe in college?

I must say we got the worst because when he left Michigan State it was so much going on. Nobody wanted him there. I remember I used to be one of the guys and said, we just beat them. We beat them forty five twenty six in the Independence Bowl, you know, and it was like, why he's coming to LSU, what he's going to bring? Tell you that we that we never had place coach Donardo Gary DeNardo Notre Dame, Indiana, and he came him in and those first two years

Coming from Michigan State.

He was like a five hundred coach, oh, I don't know, six hundred winning percentage. It wasn't like he was, yeah, he was gonna save. He wasna winning big ten championships back to back, you know. And then he come to l s U and turned the program completely around. And you look at him now, seven national championships. It's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable, you know.

And I know, yeah, and a lot of guys that's there with him now, some of those guys with l s U back in the day. And I haven't talked the same but in a couple of years, but I should see him here and there, and you know, we we we talked on the phone a couple of times.

He's the same guy. He's just intense, you know.

And for the guys to go every year year and just to half the success he has.

I mean, he's doing something phenomenal and it's unique.

So he left LSU to go to the Dolphins, right, were you surprised that he didn't last that long in the NFL? Now he chose to leave to go to Alabama. He didn't fire Hi in Miami, but he obviously wasn't having I mean, it was only there a couple of years. Wasn't having championship level success with the Dolphins. Now maybe he would have gotten there, but were you surprised that it only lasted a couple of years.

In the NFL, No, he couldn't team those guys, It's a whole different world. And to me, that's the difference when you okay, save but in Belichick the same person to me, and a lot of people can't say that, but.

You played for both of them. That's kind of why he started on the saving trails obviously.

And and yeah, now if he goes if he had to come back to the pros, would he be successful, We don't even know. We just don't know, but I know his mentality, you know, to college kids, it's a lot different, you know, compared to guys in the league making you know, the millions of dollars and you're gonna have the right you know, approach and philosophy for the guys in the NFL. You know, So that's a big difference you know between you know, Belichick and and coach Saban.

So, I mean the obvious question then, Jarvis, is you did time with Nick, you know, and you could you saw what he did, and you so you bore the fruits of his success down at LSU. How did it make it easier that you had to go through those eight weeks the hell that you described when you came here. Did you feel like, you know, of course you got a little heads up that they had worked together. Did you feel like, Okay, I might be I should be able to at least have been through this a little bit.

Well, I'm one of the guys that Coach Saban destroyed my mental capacity of anything because off a few things that happened with what we met. And I remember, like my first meeting when I went into the office, I had blonde hair and all that.

So when people heard the story before and I remember.

It was I love the blonde hair story.

Yeah, and it was like it was like the first now. It was the weekend when he came in as the head coach, you know, And I remember I said, right side, I'm coach Nator. He was a guy who been there for forty five years retired. He was like, hey, coach wanted to want you to sit right next to him. I'm like, for what, I don't want to talk to him, you know, And I'm sitting there. And we went out. We went at it for like the entire night, and then I took the recruit out. We always drinking, having

The other shoe. I'm like, god, what does he want? I get there?

He chewed me out for like forty minutes for what he was, well, I mean I walked in.

I didn't do anything. I walked into the risks.

I was like one of the kids.

I didn't do anything.

No.

I walked into the room and I had my blonde hair and he had his back turned. He had the little he had the little button thing on the door to close the door automatically. Coach Noorlo didn't have that. I'm like pretty cool, and he said sit down, his back turn looking at the burning Moore Track LSU. That was the old Administration building, and he turned around and say, do you want to play in the bleep in the NFL?

I said, hell yeah, coach did take that blonde you know out of your hair. I'm like okay.

And from they just start chewing me out, showing me out, and he was just talking about I guess where he came from, but he was going back to history, like when he coached for.

The Browns and the Oilers, and he talked about that the night before. I'm like, I don't want hear all that crap.

You know, we beat the crap at the Independence Bowl, so what you know.

But after that we had the team meeting. I go to the team meeting.

I dyed my hair back black, you know, walking through, And from there it just kind of started. Because a lot of people don't know I met with Shaping every week for two years.

Every week were your team captain?

Yeah, but he he wanted me to be his inside guy. It was more like coach, I'm not going to snitch on my guys because you know, it's a different level players and coaches. But I'm gonna try to help you much as I can, you know, That's it. And the thing was, he was just asking me little questions more about everybody on the team, and he said it's gonna be a transition. He even told me, like, you know, if they don't make it, even like I had a

Put us through.

I mean, all my years coming up, you know, playing ball, I've never went through that type of a reset, you know. And I remember one day Ryan Clark said in the game, remember that moving on matrix when he said, hey, are you really breathing air? You know, And we're sitting there and we're like, this is what it's supposed to feel like.

And from that, so.

When you came here, then it wasn't much of a culture shock, if you will no.

It in a way, Okay, it wasn't.

And it was because I had to gain my confidence when I got here, because you know, I went off into in the left field about saving but it was more like he told me something about, hey, you don't play fast enough, and I'm like, okay. My first two years LSU fifteen sacks, thirty TFLs one hundred, I was, but I was gonna declare early my junior year because I was like, gonna mel Kiper's top twenty. I was gonna declare early. And then that my junior year, we came into uh that.

Two gap defense. That's what That's where it helped me when I came here.

And when I got here, I'm like, damn, it's like the same defense I didn't know. You know, before that, I used to play book and they started saying Coromea was saying this, and I'm like, old I'm reading this. I'm like, this is our defense at LSU, but it's old school. It's the old traditional two gap defense. Nobody plays that today because it's a hard defense to.

Play, absolutely, you know.

So when all that was going on and then just things were coming to me and I'm getting my confidence and everything Bill philosophy is mentality. It was just like Nick Sable. I remember I saying something like, yeah, you do everything like Sable and Bill like no, no, no, I was here first.

Everything like me.

Well he worked for him in Cleveland, right, So so that had to make your transition, didn't that. I mean, Okay, I gotta get my confidence going on, and now in the NFL this is you know, we're getting paid, this is legit. But that had to help you, didn't it from.

A transition to point?

I mean big time with transition because a lot I mean, we know this system is hard on both sides of the ball, and a lot of guys that come in, I mean they have issues and problems. And I think for me, uh, just getting into the system of understanding what I what, what I'm supposed to do, that it really changed. Because I know if I would have came from another program to come here, I don't know what doubt come would be.

Do you think I Mean that's probably a stupid question, obvious question, but the relationship between the two is one of the reasons.

You came here.

Only reason why I came here to meet with the.

Patriots during the draft pre draft process.

I'm supposed to be a free agent. I mean, so you're.

Gonna declare early after your first two years A lot has changed, Yeah, but when so did switching into the two gap system at LSU.

I hated it, and that drives your stats down.

I hated it.

I hated it, And so that is that why you felt like your draft stock might.

I hated it.

I mean at that point, I'm liking but to get out to take care of the family and do this and do that. And you know, my mom always said, you know, graduate that was like a promise, Like, man, I might break that promise. I want to go because I remember that. I remember going to my junior year Mel Kuiper. I still got the thing. I gotta find it somewhere, you know. And then I'm like twentieth pick. I'm like, I'm declaring. And then Saban come in, change

Interesting Now he's the greatest college coaches, right, but so so let me ask you this with the benefit of time, Jarvis, and boy, that was hard. He might have taken money out of my pocket because you know, if I'm gonna two gap. My stats aren't going to be what they were. But I got into the NFL. I made it with the team. The team had some success. Therefore, it helped

Yeah, I'm gonna say this too. The two years that before Saban came in, we won seven games. That was that was a terrible taste, bad smell, however you want to want to call it. And when he came in, but I'm gonna say this, he treated us like men like this gentleman nick same and it was just like even like here, like you don't have Bill running around running after people. He gonna let you be an adult and you paying for your consequences, you know. Saving was

You know.

So he was good to us. We worked hard. That's all he wanted, you know. I remember one time he was like, hey, I didn't come in the babysitch. I didn't come in to be your mom, your dad. I didn't come in. I just came in to win football. Did you get here that that it's the same thing.

We get here and you just won the Super Bowl? Right The team had just won the Super Bowl. So you're in a unique position as a rookie getting drafted. Hey man, I got drafted by the Super Bowl.

Chack.

Yeah, it was I didn't know where where it was at, you know. I remember asking, but Chick, I ain't. No. I knew the area, but I didn't know like he was.

Like, you don't. You don't, like he must not studied in class like this. I had nothing to do with it. But where is like where's the off where's Foxborough? Yes?

I had no idea, right, you know, but everything that's saving the transition coming here, it was everything helped in between. But it also just taught me how to be a team player, you know, and do your job.

At the end of the day, do you think you realized you know, and look at rookie's fourth round pick. You know you're swimming upstream for a while. You know there's a lot to catch up on. How long did it take you to realize when you're looking around the huddle and you go, hmm, Willie McGinnis, Richard Seymour, Thy Law, even though it's a different position, I mean your position,

Yeah? All of them.

I mean I watched Lloyd Malloy when I was you know, when I was in high school. Watched him play in Washington, the Huskies and all these guys, and it was it was different with Tom because it was Tom, because that was that was this his second year when right right, So the other guys, I remember, I used to watch the Desert Storm Bruski with the fifty two fifty five

You know, I'm not going anywhere, you know.

And I remember that after that game, people all even the guys because they was always tough.

I mean Willie, I've said behind Willie, he bust my balls all the time, you know, everybody. Yeah, And I mean even like Sea Bow.

I saw him few years ago for the for the for the Hall of Fame stuff and just seeing him and people don't notice me.

Seymour.

We used to fuss all the time, but when it was time to play ball, we played ball. We was great teammates. We respected each other. And I always tell people I never wanted his job. I just want to be a part of what we had. A team. You know, that's a team. And we was never a team that you didn't have one guy making all of plays.

Everybody made plays. Everybody did their job.

So just to interject here for a second brand for younger Patriot fans that might not remember. Okay, let's talk about that defensive line three oh four. Okay, Richard seymour Ty, Warren, Ted Washington was only there for one year, Okay, but then a rookie came in and oh four named Vince Wilfork, Jarvis Green. You know, we see Bobby Hamilton, Bobby Well Hamilton, you know, only in that first couple of years. But we sit here today and we think about Chiefs, the

I mean even even after Ted was gone, Anthony Player and Bobby gone, I mean, we were still I meant.

Listen, we had to go get Ted because the failed nose tackle experiment that summer.

That was me.

Yeah, Bill, Bill, like we've been taking care for him at nose tick.

I'm like, what when I walked in, I'm like, he talked about this in all season nose im Okay, great, I'm going to get damniar Woody. I couldn't even get around to the middle the day. I couldn't get around Woody like, come on, man, I was like.

Three O five, three ten, never in my life.

And then I asked Ted Johnson about Ted Washington.

He says, I could show a movie on that guy's butt when I'm standing behind that question.

That was.

That was That was I look, I'm in my second year. And and Bill called me like the night before and he didn't have to. I meant nothing, nothing, And he was like, hey, look, you know she was out of respect. And you know, I think he did it because of saving just a relationship, I think. And he was like, hey, bringing to Ted Washington, I'm like you like he said, get back down to you two eighty. I was like three ten. I lost that way so quick.

That's great.

I'm like, man, well, but you must have come in like I mean, you talked about having some confidence in the fact that you had played in the defense, but you.

Also playing that two gap scheme.

Is a technique thing as well, and you must have felt comfortable or they must have felt comfortable enough with you even to even try you at nose tackle because of that. Yeah, because you knew how to play that defense.

Yeah, it did.

And also just I think just being coachable, you know, just understanding my my, my duties because a lot of defenses. I think a lot of time you see things that happen and play bus or something because people get a little edgy and try to make the play. But like you know, like like bella Chick and everybody else always like, if it's not your play, it's not your play. No, it's gonna come to you.

Do your just it. And he'd been saying that for years before they start putting on T shirt. We're like, man, who the hell? Oh you know, you know anyway, it was like.

I was in that meeting.

Yeah, I'm like, do your job, do your job. That was it.

We have my Super Bowl thirty nine saying it out inside blinds. But so it's not sexy, Jarvis. It's not sexy, and it's very It goes against what a defensive players instincts are, which are to attack, to pursuit and all those things and then foot gaps. Yeah, and for you to just sit there and take up space, that's really

Gonna get it.

Could give give tell people why Richard Seymour is worthy of being in the Hall of Fame.

They have teams that that excel and win and kick people butts. You know, through the history of any sports, if you have performers on that team, go down to the individuals, because that's what the Hall of Fame is about. It's about an individual excellent uh with great with great teams. And Richard is one of those guys. When not win the Patriots from that time, those years, those streaker years, nobody was running past Richard. He destroyed everybody that he

There was a there's a comment that I saw BEMO the other day, and the person who made it said, I know you're gonna think I'm crazy, but there was a time in that two thousand and around two thousand and four when you guys are going for you know, back to back championships where you could look at the team and I don't want to I'm not taking anything

Everything like that.

He said, you know what, in two thousand and four, you might have had an argument in two thousand and four as to who the best player was. That's not an outlandis statement, is it.

Yeah? Yeah?

I mean, man, I mean a def I mean, look, definitely, when championships, I don't care what people say, you know, and I have defenses that you could just put that in a question or a sentence. I mean, Richard Seymour deserved to be in the Hall of Fame when we was kicking everybody, but he was right down the front line. You know, he deserved it, every bit of it.

So let me go back then, because Richard comes here in one and arguably, I mean I remember people saying at the Super Bowl that year that he was the best defensive player on the field for both teams as a rookie.

You come in and O two, so you sandwich the one team wins the super Bowl.

Your second year team wins the Super Bowl three oh two. You guys couldn't stop the run. Do you remember, Like I mean, I know, the personnel was a little different. Brandon Mitchell left, not that he was a superstar player, but what's his name came in?

The guy, uh what was the defensive lineman that was playing the nose? And O two a free agent. He was here for one year.

Oh talking about.

He was he talked all the time.

Yeah he uh, he had the big old, big old, big old ahead.

But but you guys, you guys really struggled stopping the run.

Do you remember why what went into it? Because the next year it wasn't a problem. The previous year it wasn't a problem, but that year it was and that was your rookie year.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think it was the hype from from from winning, you know, and and being that first taste. And I think some people probably got a lax you know, And I think they had to they had to happen, It had to.

That was just the time.

And you know, you mentioned the maning game, Jarvis, When you look back at your career, you played in a lot of big games, a lot of important games. Is that the game that you kind of point to and say, you know what, that was? My game lived there?

Yeah, I was.

I was all twelve cylinders and playing and understand you know, like any given Sunday, I mean I had that moment. Everything was fast, couldn't hear, couldn't you know, you know, stomach shaky, butterflies going crazy, and and then everything like just slowed down because I remember times like when Raybel and myself we got on the field, and even some other guys.

I mean, reading lips was big for us.

Just reading lips and just knowing and knowing the players and understanding the audibles, understanding the checkdowns, understanding what you're the guy next, thing you're going to do, Understand the guy behind you know what you're gonna do. So for me, everything came together on the field. But then, well I'm gonna say this too. This is one thing I always

That's interesting. Do you think, speaking of confidence, do you think in those early years that you had Peyton's number, that the Patrin Peyton's Oh.

Yeah, I did too. Yeah, I used to call him all the time. But uh, it was just that time, you know, we we had it. I mean, but then people said, so what happened at your game? Playing him different?

Now?

It just he just he couldn't excel with us. I remember, I remember when the game when he when when they beat us. You know, we went to Indy. I think we all had a bug.

That so you you were, you beat San Diego in the divisional round and then we.

Should have three and a half time we should have went.

I remember when to halftime and our phones was blowing up, and Bill like cut phones off and we were like, okay, back to back to back.

That was the year and would have made history.

Right, No, you're confusing years. You're thinking of five.

Okay, we would have.

We would have did three of four, crack right, three out of four and or four out of five.

It would have been four to six.

I don't know what happened. We had guys cramping up in the first quarter. I mean, I've never cramped up. I'm always hydrid. I cramped up. I'm like, what is going on? And after that, I don't know, somebody, somebody did something because the team we watched a film.

We all looked so fluggish and nobody, nobody knows.

We lost like eight guys cramped up, you know, is it because they raised the timbership of an extra ten degrees?

Colts would have done that indoors pumped in.

But that was a crazy that was that was crazy, man.

But I know, just just the confidence and playing and know I belong here, and just I mean I was whatever. I was third down guy, whatever I could play, I played when they needed me.

So you go from the high in the confidence of Peyton Manning was the low not being able to get Eli down.

I guess we got cheated.

But anyway, yeah, well, I mean, isn't the famous picture don't they have Seymour around the neck.

And then I'm kind of dragging because when that play happened, I was like one of the longest players ever for the entire year.

But I mean the entire game, they was holding, grabbing, choking, pulling, I.

See some of the guys just today they were like, it was holding off so much and we missed five interceptions from Eli right through our hands. Uh maybe it was blown coverage. I really don't know what happened in the second there. I have no idea, but it's like he should have been sacked. They would have sacked today. He would have got sacked. You know, it's flag football today. But but I mean, he got through the back of the huddle and everything just like stopped.

And there was a really interesting thing done fairly quickly after that oh seven season where Mike carried Do you remember Mike the head referee of the game, and oh you remember that? Yeah, and he was he was one with Rodney and you know, Rodney's still sick of it, can you know, barely stomach it even today. And they showed they had the all twenty two, and they showed Carrie and they showed the play and you see you

And then watching all the games, like when he got sacked and I remember Pep, of course Pepper.

He was like, look at this guy.

He get touchy fall, you know, so we're like, it's gonna be easy to get him down. He's not like a fighter. He's not a been Rossenberger, you know. And I still can't say been name, right, I don't if I can say that right, And uh, it just didn't make sense. But again, he was playing for a lot of money too if he won that game, so I can understand motivationists, you know.

But it's the Super Bowl. In Super Bowl, Yeah yeah, final drive.

Yeah, you're right, that would have been That would have been it, though, That would have been the game.

Well, and a guy with four catches on the season catches the ball on his head too.

Nobody expected that, right, It's just that that was incomplete think it was no.

No try, though, good try. I wish it was. Listen, we had a nineteen and o exhbit planned out for the museum. I just you know that we didn't get to build.

So it's like It's like, you know, you say, where are they now? That would have happened? You know what that would have done.

I mean after that, after that run, people like this will never happen again.

New England is done. Great, great, great, great success.

But I mean, golly, after that to watch the games and to be a fan now and just watch like again, you know, another super Bowl, another super Bowl. So for me, everybody hates me back home, everybody.

But for you does it. It's got to be with the sense of pride that you look back. Yeah, yeah you had, Yeah, you want it twice. You maybe should have wanted a third time. Although hey, look the Giants get paid two and they played well that day. Yeah, but to see how the franchise did even after you were left, it's got to be with a sense of pride that you were you were part of maybe the ground floor, maybe not the ground floor pretty early on. And to see this twenty year success has got to.

Be definitely I think definitely, man, I mean just to be part of it. And though I tell people to like the alumni guys the other not me, not the Patriot alone, but other teams. I mean, everybody envy the Patriots, just the way they do things, I mean for us, like being an alumni to come back and all the stuff that they do for us, and just to be a part of it, you know. I mean everybody, we

Taste in my mouth. I said, I never want to come here again.

And then I remember going to the Saints game and they had me on a jumper tron for a few seconds and my phone blew up because stay had everybody's numbers, you know, phone blew up and some media stuff and then somebody, I don't know if it was Pepper or Bears told me to come to the facility. I'm like, for what, And I get it here first person myself was time. Then I saw Bill, you know, dry face, We talking. You know, it was more like the passes behind us and move forward. And I remember leaving the

The ones I didn't know, I handshake the ones I knew.

I bear hug them, and just so emotional that moment. A lot of guys they don't experience that from other teams. A lot of guys don't. We have so much success here and eight years for me, it was like a lifetime, you know, and still to this day to be here talking about the past is like is like the president for me.

Well, you're in business now, Okay, you're a businessman, You're an entrepreneur, and so you know it. You know, Bill famously, this is a business and there are times that things happen. You mentioned lawyer. You know, lawyer goes. It's a business decision. But but if you can get past that, and who am I to sit here and talk about whether you ken or can't because you said hard feelings and I get that, But I think Bill to say that he appreciates what you guys did and what you accomplished, I

He may not appear that way publicly, but he takes care of his guys.

I remember I went to Denver. They ran me into the dirt, and I'm like, I tell guys, look, man, you're a free agent. Just think about it, you know. If you hear, just really think about what you do. You know, because from from Bill to the cafeteria, training room, the equipment room, the weight room, everybody takes care of everybody, you know, and you missed that when you go to other programs and did they treatse like a number here?

No?

No, So that's that's priceless, especially when it comes to physical you know, and mental aspect of everything.

You know well, and I think, you know, we talk about this all the time.

I look historically at the league, Jarvis, with teams that have good ownership generally don't stay down long. The Steelers are always a great example of a team. They may dip if they come, whereas the teams that maybe don't have great ownership to show they may spike, but they don't stay there.

They go the other way.

Not consistent. I agree.

So I think you know the fact that when Bill came in here and especially when July Stadium was built because the old place, you know, you didn't play in that old high school stadium that they played in, but the but the amenatees and everything they need to be successful is put in place. And that's because Bill wanted to make sure everything was in place to be successful, and then Robert gave him that.

So it starts, I think, at the top.

And you know, then Bill builds the culture with those things, those tools in place.

Yes, yes, I mean that's priceless, hands down off everything, you know, So just being here and just understanding the little things.

And let me ask you this because.

Alan the tight end that was here a couple of years ago, Dwayne Allen, he was over at the Hall of Fame speaking to the fans one time and he said, and I think I've asked somebody else about this, but he was talking about when he was in Indianapolis. They came here for the AFC Championship, lost forty five to seven, and he thought they were going to win the game.

Like he thought, where every bit is good if not better than the Patriots. And he goes and they blew us out.

He goes, And I left the stadium that day thinking how did that happen? And when I signed here, I realized how it happened. That they just work harder than everybody else.

That's what he said.

They just work harder than everybody else. Do you think that's true? So what did you how do you compare it to what happened in Denver? Who was your coach in Denver?

Josh? So, Josh got the program him in here.

But but Josh didn't bring that element out there.

Oh you know what, You know what it takes time to as well. You gotta you gotta grow a flower, you gotta water it. You know, you gotta take care of it, you gotta nurture it. And I think what he got there? People looking for quick success. And I remember when I got Oh my goodness, it was like it was like hell on wheels.

I got there. And I'm gonna say this too.

If you if you just a coach and not a GM coach, it's like it's like night and day on what you can do?

What you can do?

Denver hates Patriots. Patriots staff period. It's personal personal. Everything I did from the training even the cafeteria. People hate this, but but but the strength coach, I don't. I'm not gonna say any names. But when I went there, I remember telling telling my kids Mom, I think I made a bad decision. It was before the season started terrible, and they knew I had my situation with my knee, my back and all. They ran me into the dirt and they knew this. And I remember I'm sitting there

You know.

He come from the Patriots. No y'all betting everybody. It's a strength coach. And I'm like, hey, go talk to the strength coach. He had New England.

He'll tell you.

He'd give my whole He didn't. He didn't get you the paperwork. Then they put the sin all my stuff, Like who is that? I said, you know who that is? He got six Super Bowl rings so that was my attire six months at Denver.

It was terrible.

Yeah, and I think i'd like to think that that's Josh's first experience and.

You know, I mean he had no control.

Yeah, but yeah, but see, I would say this, and I think you see this and you know, builded it to a certain extent.

I mean, certain guys stayed. But when you go into a situation.

Like that, you have to be able to get rid of everybody yep and bring your own people in yep.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Just like the President knew Bien he bring all these people in. OHI you're supposed to do.

Right, yep. Last one for me here, Jarvis. You know, I think this was to say that this was an unusual year for Patriot fans would be an understatement. They've been spoiled, quite honestly. With twenty years of success, they dip down, you know, and things like that. You talked about ownership being on the same page, coaching being on

I mean, who else you're gonna bring over here? Hm? That has the experience?

Let me?

I mean, let's bring a new guy to college over there. Yeah.

It work intill we trust.

Yeah, that's it and Bill, we trust.

Hey, you mentioned you mentioned how they hated you. They hate you down and back home for being for being a Patriot? Is it a respect hate? I always called it.

A respect definitely. Yeah.

They just hate that you won. Somebody won, That's why they hate.

Oh yeah, look I had my times with everywhere I go and then oh, the winner he shows up, you know. Oh you get the other stuff about some of the seasons when we had the fines and all, and they bring that up about Okay, you know we won, so what but people don't understand. So yeah, but we gotta still play the game, and we a lot of times you hear about Pittsburgh by being physical.

The years I played, we was very, very very physical.

We should beat people down physically, you know, we want a fast team. Now that one year we had fifty touchdowns, y'all got to play a better defense. I'm sorry, you know, but we was physical and I remember sometimes when we couldn't run us. We couldn't run like a like a blitz of stunt and Bill like or Romeo, y'all can't run to play, We're gonna go three four based defense. We hate three four based defense, but three four based defense mean eighty five eighty percent of the guys have

Hey guys, guys, we have a new play.

Three four defense base and we did that a bunch of times, and we did it well.

Our guest has been Jarvis Green Form Patriot, Lineman, uh shrimp and app food ordering app entrepreneur. Best of luck, going forward, be safe, Thank you well, all.

Right, Thanksvis.

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