Patriots Postgame Show 9/25: Takeways from the Ravens Loss, Mac Jones Reportedly Injured

Join the conversation by calling the A Sticket hotline at eight five five Pats five hundred, or email this show at web radio at Patriots dot com. I hope y'all keep that same energy for tonight, Babe. Han't wait. Live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy slipping and slide and he was like a captain pop up bag. And that's it. From Fox Burrow, where the Patriots dropped their home opener to the Ravens, game number three on

the season, thirty seven, twenty six. The final is we get ready to go here at Gillette Stadium, Hardy, Mike do So, Paul Pirello. Patriots Postgame Show Join US eight five five Pats five hundred, email Web radio at Patriots dot Com. Start with you, Paul, your initial thoughts coming on out of this game here today. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was a winnable game. I thought the

Patriots did some nice things offensively, especially early on. I thought getting the ball downfield was certainly part of the game plan. DeVante Parker by far and away the best he's looked all summer. I'm not even talking about just the two games. The best he's looked, you know, as a Patriot practice or no. But just too many mistakes, too many turnovers. You can't turn the ball over against a team like the Ravens. And we've talked a lot

about run defense, Mike. I don't want to take up every point in my opening monologue here, but we talked about run defense being a huge part of it. The run defense still has some work to do. Yeah, I mean, I liked how they came out. I mean, I thought that they competed pretty well on both sides of the ball. It looked like, man, they're you know, moving the ball, placed a Parker a couple three and Outce Dietrich wise looked unblockable early on in the game, and then they

just kind of started the run us team. I mean, I like some of their fight. They you know, fought back. I thought at the end of the first half they could have kind of folded up. They still manage to get a field goal there in response. I'd really like that, you know, even at the end they fell into the eleven point hole and they still you know, put together some some drives to get down there and make it interestinct. But you know, the mistakes, the mistakes, the mistakes, the interceptions,

the Nelson agil or fumble, it's just not enough. And as you said, Paul Lamar Jackson's just too talented. You know, he was the best guy on the field, and they stopped him a few times, but they did not stop him enough, and everybody else kind of got going eventually

as well. For the sake of not sounding repetitive in the post game, I think when we start with our good list here, let's just haven't understood up through about half of the game, because I think that's what this game was, you know, up through beyond, you know, just beyond a halftime, Patriots looked pretty good and there were a lot of good things to talk about. Not so much after that. So again we so we don't have to keep saying it over and over and over again.

It wasn't quite a tailor two halves, but it was a team that looked good, as you said, Paul, a winnable game that they got a little sloppy, they got out executed on a few plays, and yeah, you ran into Lamar Jackson who ran his way to a victory tonight. It wasn't passing. Um, I mean he did complete some passes. It was both. I mean he completed four touchdowns. Yeah, but for two hundred eighteen yards. Oh yeah, I always

I mean nine times. Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's not like he was setting the world on fire by completing a lot of I thought. The troubling thing here and we'll we'll get to it when he set it up, is I think that the defense, I think a lot. There's gonna be a lot of harping on the turnovers, and rightly so, I mean they don't turn the ball over. They would have had a really good chance to win this game today. Um, so that's huge the turnout. You can't four right, uh, I mean ended up being four

three picks and a fumble. Yeah, So that's the that's the story, and I'm not trying to sugarcoat that, but I think that the defense looked to have made some strides. You know, there was some some promising points. I thought in the first couple of games, not so much today. I thought Baltimore did what it wanted to do offensively, and I thought they could run it. I thought they threw it when they wanted to throw it. They got it to their best guy, Mark Andrews, which is something

that you always say Patriots, never let that happen. It happened. So yeah, this, I think there was a lot of breakdowns today, but the top of the list hard. He's right, it's it's the turnovers. I mean, like, you can't have four turnovers. All right, let's let's let's get into a good bad injured. Here we go. Now it's time for the good, pretty good per the bad who in the injured?

Ah ah, you are right, gay, good, the bad the injured brought to buy the good players the bad players, and one of the injured players not to bury the lead here, Mac Jones hopping off the field on one leg, taken directly to the locker room before the game was over. So we'll certainly keep an eye on that. We'll keep an eye on this Buffalo Miami game, which is coming down to the final seconds. The Bill's trailing by two. They've got a third and ten coming up, but just

a few yards outside of field goal range. So we got but only eighteen seconds left, which means you have to get out of bounds if you don't get the first down. So that's gonna be a difficult situation. But you know, we've we'll move on to rid zone Paul later. Yeah, I've seen sicker dogs in that lab. Well what I like that? You know you don't like that? All right, start with a good iduce. I'm gonna mister positivity. I'm gonna take the layoup with Vante Parker. Five catches, one

hundred fifty six yards, consistent throughout. I mean, had a couple early on, also had some of the second half, so he was you know, he was exciting. I didn't I didn't really expect that out of him in terms of just the you know, the middle of the field kind of production overall. So really nice day for him. You know, Unfortunately it's gonna get over shadow. But Agalore last week having one hundred yard day, him having one hundred yards today, um that that's definitely a big, a

big positive coming out of this one. And they failed to get out of bounds there, right, and they're not going to have time because they're not gonna be able to spike it. No, that's the game. I think the Dolphins remain undefeated. Unbelievable. Dolphins pick up a win at home over the Bills twenty one nineteen and uh there we go three and oz on this season and the Bills are handed their first loss. Hmmm. Very interesting. Also, the Lions, who had jumped out to an early lead,

now trail at Minnesota twenty eight, twenty four. Paul just turned to me and said, Hardy's going to be happy? What was that? What was that talk? Parilla? Well, well, they had a ten point lead, the Lions said. Wait, say Lions got the ball there at midfield? How much times? Don't worry about a guy? All right, guy, listen, I'm lost this way before many times. What are you worried about for? It's like my standard line when you know, just barely in the rough, you know, after my t shot,

I'm like that I can make six from here, No worries. Yeah, what is the first time I ever played out of the rough. Yeah, don't worry. Yeah, that's I can still make double from one hundred and fifty out just off the fairway. Don't you worry about that. Um. From the very first reception of the game, it's like Parker interesting, you know, big catch, looked like he was maybe a poised for something today. It didn't mean anything, but it certainly ended up meaning something as they went to him

time and time again. And one of the interceptions was, of course, you know, a throw to Parker in the end zone there in the fourth quarter. Not I mean, it was a bad throw and Mac needs to play better. But as we will get to later on in the bad list, it was the play calling leading up to it that I just you know, oh yeah, we'll get it. We'll get to that, we'll get to all that. I guess it's just I got some festive his grievings to uh, the grievances. But DeVante Parker first on the good list

I co signed. I'm sure Paul does too. Paul, what's your first good Uh, let's see, I'm gonna go Dietrich Wise. Did I miss that? I have him? Sometimes when I'm buried in red zone, I miss things no, I have him as my second good Also, yeah, I didn't know if anybody had already said it. And I know we had three sacks, and you know, sometimes those are kind of circumstantial, like you know, they had a couple of sacks today that were really kind of runs that would

stopped for no game. But Dietrich Wise made a couple of plays on the run that were amazing. Um. Sorry, hardy Um. I thought, I think he has been arguably the Patriots best defensive player in the first three weeks of the season. Is that? Is that an overstatement? Mike? Sorry, said I think? Sorry, yeah, I mean I've done in a million times. I take no offense. I think Dietrich Wise might might have been the Patriots best defensive player in the three weeks. But I mean it's just the

humulative year fact. When do you see that a six year player that I texted Andy today because we used to argue, you know, guys don't make the fifty year jump, made the sixty year is I mean, honestly, I wish he'd made the fourth quarter job. You know, they could have used some of that playmaking later in the game. You know, that was my only rub with it. Was that. You know, it's just you come out like Gangbusters. You're you're getting pressure on the march Jackson, You're in his face.

I mean, you probably could add a couple more sacks. Um, you know, if you're able to finish him off. Of course, he's just so fast. It's hard to it's hard to really fault anybody on that one. But you're right, Dietrich wise, you know, continue to have a strong start, but but again, love to see some finish out of the defense. Um, I am going to pick from my first UM pick

Mike that I miss he had DeVante Parker. So you didn't do one yet, ahead, Uncle Jonathan Jones, yep, good one okay, um interception interception and and and the strip for his fumble whatever. It was one of the day, okay, I mean start, one of the few players who actually kind of like started strong and had a pretty strong compition at the end. It's weird. I don't have him bought about the pick. Yeah, yeah, it's like Jonathan Jone. What Jonathan, Because I saw him, I got a position

a little bit. But no, you guys are right that he's a good he's a good pick. I mean two huge turnovers caused. Yep, there's another obvious defensive player that I had to buy one to get to Jonathan Jones first. Just I don't know, because I think it bears mentioning that he actually finished the game kind of strong too. Here you go, all right, I'm gonna do Romandre one of his better games, twelve for once for seventy three, one one seventy three. Um. You know a couple of

real nice runs for him. I just you know, I've I've heard a couple of pause comments when he was carrying the ball, and I agree he's got some. He's just more exploded. I mean, I love Damian Harris as as a player. I think he gives you everything. I think Stevenson is more explosive. Yeah, I think he makes guys miss in like in tight quarters. He makes you miss now a couple of times today one maybe one too many bounces was definitely one of those. Um. But yeah,

I agree with you. I had him on my list too. I think you agree with that one harder you co sign on Romandre Stevenson. I didn't have him down, but now that I think back on it, yes I will. I will put Romandre Stevenson I don't. I certainly didn't see anything from that I would say was bad. Um see, yeah, i'd like to I'd like to be able to say more about him. I didn't have him, so I wasn't thinking along those lines. Okay, that's my failing, not Romandres. I want that. I want it clear that I'm not.

I'm not saying it's on Romandre. It's on me, all right, everybody knows. I agree. I just want everyone at all. They ain't gonna have no trouble from me. I cheat you, Frankie pantantially, thank you, thank you. I got not just yelling out. I got that, but he got Paul I have. I have Matthew Judon. That was the one I stepped. And now here's the hit, Like there's a problem that

I could completely get this. If someone's gonna sit there and say, these guys just went out and get up thirty eight point thirty seven points to the Ravens and all the goods are on defense. I thought Matthew Judon in this game allowed them to get off to a good start. You know, the only way they were going to win this game is if they dictated the way it was played and they got out in front. Unfortunately it never really materialized, but they made some plays in

this game. And I think Judon in particular was really good with his his discipline and when he rushed Jackson and got him, you know, scrambling around, Jackson was thrown it away because I think he knew Judon can get me. He can he can get me to the ground, whereas some of these other guys, I can run away by time, they're not gonna catch me. So I thought Judon was really good in this especially in the first half. In the early part of the game. I thought he was

solid that one too. I think near the fourth quarter where he had Lamar kind of retreating and I think you said at the time, he's one of the only guys that can you know, kind of have the athleticism to keep him in, you know exactly the playoff was that was you know that And again I would put him kind of in the category with Wise where it was like gangbusters out at the beginning and then a little quiet towards the end. But he did have that

play down the end. But there was that play in the fourth and you know, Paul said discipline, There was a play in the first, when the Ravens round a third and fifteen, you know, deep in their own end, and uh, Judon pulled up on his on his rush and started, oh boy, anyway, we're looking at watching Mac

Jones limp off the field, hop off the field. Actually, I've got I've got a a DM in here from somebody of just a screenshot of Mac going off the field, and he looks, I mean, as you can see on the video, he looks in pain, but he looks like he's in a lot of him it looks like his left Yeah, like I kind of rolled up. I don't know, Well, well we'll get in see it. It just rolled up,

you know, briefly, but who knows. Anyway, Judan had the discipline to kind of stay back, pull off on the rush and just spy Lamar and just keep him from moving outside and as you said, contain and force him into what was essentially a throwaway in that third and fifteen. So yeah, I had him down early, Matthew, Jodan definitely on the good list. Yeah, that's that's about all I got. I feel like I had I had Mac on there initially. Um and and that was you know, kind of before

things fell part at the end. So I'm not going to put him a Mac on the good list today. Oh yeah, no, Max. I mean I thought Mac did a lot of nice things in this game, and he had that one drive where he almost single handedly kept him in the game. But too many mistakes from Mac to put him on the good list. His numbers are gonna look abysmal. I don't think he played as bad as the numbers will in the game. He's gonna have no touchdowns in three picks and that's gonna look like,

oh my god, Yeah, he played better than that. I got I got one more. I'm gonna put Paul and Hardy on the LST first. The Jacobe Myers conversation in the pregame show, Okay, we can move on. Wow. You know it's funny because it's one of those things that this you know, I always make this this argument, and Megan O'Brien used to make fun of me about it

all the time. It's why I don't gamble. That's why I don't bet, because when I think things are going to go a certain way and they go that way and you still lose the bet, and it's like I knew what was going to happen. You know, well, this is one I saw something going the way it was gonna go, and and that what I saw was Kendrick Bourne being forced to be integrated, and that was going to kind of push Parker to the back burner a

little bit. When Jacobe Myers went down, the complete opposite happens. Now. To Mike's point, the offense was I mean, they scored twenty six points. If I told you before the game they're gonna score at twenty six, I think you'd say, I can't really ask him for much more than that. That's a pretty good total. Yeah, but it ain't the way I said it was going to happen. So I might have been right, but I weren't really right. Fair enough, fair enough, Um, look at that. It's a lot of bees,

a lot of bees on the goalpost there. That's not good. No report, that would seem to be problematic. Like if Lamar, if that was Lamar Jackson, he'd be in danger. He was in the end zone a lot. That was my fantasy that was trending on Twitter earlier. There's a lot of buzz about it. Honey, you're a card, Honey, do you have anything else? Oh, honey, that was a good good following you thank Do you have anything else? Nick Folk too for doing his field goals? By the way,

how about fifty yard the fifty yarder? And was it at the end of the first quarter where they let time expiring and then they said we're going to kick it down on the north end. There's something I don't think that they did it intentionally. No, no, no, no, no, not thrown off by it because we're watching it. Were like, you know, at that north end is gonna play differently now they got it. That was a chip shot though the other one, the fifth I'm giving you more credit

than you'll give it. But the fifty yard went into the open end, okay? And did he miss the first one before the time out? It looked like it looked like he did. I don't know. But the fifty he hit the fifty yard or into the open end of the last play of the first half. So I wanted to talk about that as another element of good before we move on to the bad. Unless you guys have more stuff. No after Nick Folk, um, I would say the and Fred Kirsch was all over this when it

happened live the double score. You know, I thought the execution at the end of the first half was excellent. Yea couple of couple of crossing routes. Um, you get in the thirty seconds you move about. I don't know, let's see, you moved forty three yards and thirty seconds. You get a field goal, you get the h the possession to start the second half, double score, touchdown, you took your lead. And uh, I thought that was a big like sort of a big juncture with the game.

That's where the Patriots had a chance. We'll get to the bad afterwards. But uh yeah, Freddie, Freddie said a Patriots football right there. I go, what do you mean? He goes double score? I was like, yeah, you're right,

it's just chamming real quick here. What a shame it is to drop a game like you did today, as there appears to be a tremendous amount of parody in the league, Chiefs falling to the Colts, Bills losing to the Dolphins past home to win, about winnable game and it you know, and as for as close as it was, it didn't end up being that close. And like, oh, that's a real shame because team you had, you thought you had to beat to make the playoffs Vegas his

own three. Yeah, this is you know, this is kind of opening up this early on in this NFL season where it's like, hey, it's kind of up for grabs. Anybody who can win. You got a shot and you couldn't get a win today. Hi Fred, Hi, Hi Hardy? Before we before we forget Hardy needs a new parking pass. Like it's the giving him a hard time. They can't get in. Okay, I don't know who he is. Oh I can. I can hear the much what he has. That's what he has to do. Turn on the radio.

I'm on three different he has to tell people who he is and he throws that card around. I'm getting over here me eight point five. But when some are some of these scores, though, are we are we? Who are we concerned with? Like with the square? Like, who do you think is going to win the acast? Dude? Right now, I'm just worried about Max. I'm just I'm talking about in a vacuum, big pitcher. I think people

are looking at and saying, Buffalo lost. We blew it up. Yeah, but Miami's the team you're probably fighting for a wild card with Buffalo is probably gonna win the division unless these injuries that they're getting just continue when Josh Allen's next and he's out for the year two like Micah Hyde, if if, if they're relatively standing up, they're gonna win the division. So Miami is now two o in the division with wins over Buffalo and you that's huge. Indianapolis

beating Kansas City, that's another one huge. Careful who you root for, right, You're not really root You're not really fighting Kansas City for a playoffs any Indie, right, And I don't think India is any great shakes, but it just shows that, you know, good teams can be beaten. Can you be one of those teams to beat a good team? And you got very wea extremely early through three weeks to be telling you who's gonna win the division,

who's gonna be the wild card. But right now, conventional wisdom would suggest Kansas City is probably more of a division team and the Buffalo Bills are more of a division team than Indie in Miami gotcha um just in time for the bad Liz Fred, you want to lead us off, you know what, and you know what, there's a lot to get to and we don't want to pile on for an entire hour. We'll just go chronologically. What was the first thing? Had a couple penalties. Yeah,

that's a good one to start with. You don't like to see that. No, two early penalties. Um. I believe he was referred to as a drive killer by one of the voices on the first The first one absolutely like, you had a nice little play to Parker to get yourself going, and then you get like a second in eight or so and he gets an illegal formation penalty on a play that resulted in a first down, wipes that play out, sets up second in thirteen. You ultimately

get sacked on third down and have to punt. Yep, that's a drive killer. Pre snap penalties. Four more of them today. It's brain farts with him. Well, you know, sorry, two penalties one time out to avoid a delay again. Yeah, but brain farts with him. That's you know, I thought overall he plays okay, like I thought Mac had protection, pretty good protection most of the day. But it's the

same kind of thing. It's these like momentary lapses in mental processing that they're you know, and those were two drives where they had big plays to Parker. It felt like you had a little momentum and then all of a sudden you get backed up and they couldn't even you know, convert a first down after getting backed up

off those two penalties. So yeah, not a good start, but you know, but see, But the thing about that, though that happens so early, so much transpired after that, you know where the Patriots had plenty of chances after that to win this year. I'm not saying that he's the reason why they lost, but in terms of bad, it was bad. I'll tell you. I'll tell you the first bad I have just chronologically, the muffed punt. I mean,

what are we doing? Yeah again, another one that doesn't hurt you, but you can It doesn't hurt, but you can't have it. And now you're holding your breath every time it's supposed to be a good thing. You should be celebrating the fact that you forced the other team into a punch, and instead, you know, I'm on pins and needles. I think. I think mac epitomized the game. As many good plays as he made, he made bad plays. And it's the same with the Patriots. As many good

plays as they made, they made bad plays. And by the way. So did the Ravens until they broke it away late. Both teams were making mistakes. Oh yeah, you know, both teams were you know, what's your what's your first bad Paul? Oh boy? Uh? Well, I thought that the uh, there was some we talked about the the discipline needed to contain the edges. I thought there was some instances. Uh mac Wilson struggled with some of that discipline early.

I thought josh Uche had a play that he comes in, thought he had Lamar dead to right, it's never even got a hand on him. Fred almost fell off his chair on the play. What he goes? What does josh Uche doing? Sorry? Because that okay if I say things like yeah, no, I listen, that's fine. I thought there was some discipline breakdowns defensively, and that certainly helped him roll their way to to thirty second point. He dive at Lamar Jackson from two yards away. You're not gonna

get him. No, don't leave your feet. They are not gonna get him. No, No, what do you got, Douce? I got Miles Bryant, you know, a number another muff and also you know, gave up the touchdown there near the end, so, you know, just tough for him. I mean, it's hard to point out individual guys. At this point.

I just felt overall, like, you know, the defense just kind of folded down the end and you know, didn't quite have the I would say, you know, it's almost like to Fred's point, it felt like they switched off. Like the defense would get a stop and you're like, okay, they're playing good, and then they threw an interception, you know, and then the defense would give up a long drive.

It's just, you know, not really complimentary football. I don't want to pick on Miles Bryant, but I thought, you know, a couple of plays and the muff punts that stuff. I don't know why he's continuing to get chances. I feel like it's just a matter of time before Marcus Jones, you just put my guy back there. Yeah. Yeah. And they did miss Kyle Dugger today. I thought, I thought, you know, some of the runs that popped free in

the secondary. I think he's a pretty good tackler and he's fast enough that he's not going to necessarily let Lamar Jackson run away from him. So as many injuries as the Ravens had, and I think they lost like ten guys during the game. It was unbelievable. But the Kyle Dugger injury was I think problematic for the Patriots. Second Ellen maybe you know, I'm not sure. I'm sure, gotcha, wasn't one hundred percent, you know, But you know, another

bad the big run by Lamar Jackson late. I think it was like a forty one yard run or something like that. Bentley comes up to the line pretending he's gonna blitz and does this dance and gets himself so close to the line that when the ball snapped, he's completely out of the play. He had no awareness and to you know, fill a gap because he was too close to the line to even see the play transpire. Just played himself out of the play pre snap, and that's the gap that Lamar ran right through and it

was all over. There was a There was another one of those, a similar run, and I don't know if it was another case of somebody coming up and not reading the play individually, but it was before the end of the first half or Lamar. You know, everybody bit on the fake and he and it was it was a keep and then he just found that one tiny seem and next thing, you know, I think it ended

up being a twenty yard post back. It was a tough spot for the New England d because they just don't have the guys to cover man, you know, so they have to play this discipline kind of zone and you know, it works sometimes, but when you get gashed, you get gashed. And it was just hard to contain Lamar. What did he have? Like one hundred and some odd I rushed for over one hundred yards, threw up a two eighteen and four touchdowns, ran for one hundred and

one and another one. Yet oftimes the other guys better than you. Yeah, not to oversimplify it, but that's it. I mean, he you know, the Patriots mistakes all that, but he's just the most talented guy and unless you have a special sixty minute defensive performance, he it's gonna do what you did today. And if you're gonna have let that happen, then you can't make the mistakes any someone special upfront and someone special in the back, you know, to have a shot to the limit, you just have

to play him well. You know. It's just to Fred's points, you know. And one another one of my bads, Hardy, was just I think the coaching let him down a little bit today. And I'm gonna simplify this without no one for sure if I'm right, But like play calling in general, not just offensive play calling, play calling in general. Fred, you made the point about, you know, they don't really have the horses to play man that often, then why go zero blitz on the goal line and let Mark

Andrews do what Mark Andrews does. He ran right by Devin mccordy and the throw was a little underthrown, so at allow mccordy to get back into play and made Andrews make a tough catch, but that should have been an easy touchdown. Zero blitz there, I thought was an odd, odd call. Well, interesting thing. Evan really thought it was bad. He was, and then he was like that, you know, just seeing some of the stats, but I'm seeing that they that they blitzed Lamar like percent of the time.

I mean, they really went after him today, but you know, other than the first half, they didn't really have the success. Yeah, and I thought that a lot of times he was sort of evading that blitz and there was all kinds of green around and he either ran or made some throws and I'll tell you he missed some opportunities on some of those plays. Early in the game he had Mark Andrews all by himself and the ball went off

at Andrews, you know. And then he had another one that he under threw Andrews and he had to go down and get it. He couldn't cut. But there were some opportunities to make plays. Yeah, that that he missed on those kinds of plays, whether they flushed him out of the pocket. And now all of a sudden he's broken containment. He could do whatever he wants. Yeah, he's good. And it's funny because you see moments where it looks like, hey, they got him in the pocket. He looks a little

bit fuddled. He's having bad throws. But it said, you can't do it consistently enough. But you do have to talk about some of these things. Second quarter, third and eight, they run, they run Damian and Andrew, Damien Harris, you know, for a couple of yards, like what do we doing? You know? And then fourth down they decided to go for it fourth and three and they throw the ball

not short of the sticks, short of the line of scrimmage. Well, and again we can we can get into this and more in depth later on, and I think we should. I'm just gonna write that one down because I want to, you know, get through these and are injured and started taking some calls. But the play calling that fourth and three was a big one. And then when you're down in the red zone and you desperately need a touchdown, the play calling down there. Second and goal from the

fourteen is not a running down, No kidding. Second a goal from the fourteen is not a running down. And again Damian Harris for like three yards, And so I'm like, well, okay, let's bring a hundred in here. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot two times if we can. By the way, the next pass was intercepted by Marlin Humphrey. Oh, by the way, Hunter Henry not in on the second and fourteen. It's not on the field. It's not tough to take a shot with your big tight end when

he's not even out there. But we'll get to those later. We'll get to those later, okay. Um any other overall, we don't have to pick on anybody. I thought there was some special teams. Yeah, that's Can I highlight just that punt return the forty three yard parts. And there was another punt return earlier in the game that he got a decent return on that was a little leaky. I just put punt punt coverage was leaky today? Was that that was like a forty three yard return, was

it not? Yeah? It fifty six yard punt forty three yards big play. You know the fumble clearly by Agalore two that was the turnovers were killers. And again I go back the run defense. I've been really touting it the first two games. The run defense was outstanding. Today it wasn't. And it wasn't just Lamar Jackson. And I know the stress that Lamar Jackson puts on it. But you know, Justice Hill six carry sixty yards like that can't happen like they they got another hundred yards from

their running backs who haven't been doing anything. Yeah, it's some big place to that one hed some big chunks too. So you know, the run defense today was was not good. Um let's move on to seven point two yards to carry twenty six carries for one hundred and eighty eight yards. Now, again a lot of that is Lamar he average nine point seven, but Justice Hill average ten, you know, and and Dobbin's only average three point three, but he was

he was effective at times. His runs that he got stopped on were the ones late when they were just trying to get into field goal range. Like the run defense was not great today. Again the touchdown they scored, the Ravens scored the first one of the second half. That was mostly due to Lamar and the running backs. And I'm like, oh, I thought they couldn't run. I didn't think they had a run game, and sure enough they marched down the fields at um injuries. Yeah, we'd

start with Mac. I mean it's uh, you know this this picture going around right now of him screaming in pain going into the locker room. Of course Aaron's the back of Aaron's head is there to our artist. It was so weird on that play because TV missed it.

Yeah I didn't. You know, they went to a break with not even mentioning the play, and you know it was an interception, so they followed the interception and all that stuff, and you know I looked up, you yelled it, right, and I saw Mac, like, you know, hopping to the sideline. They put the blue ten up. He just made b line past it and right to the locker room, like, oh,

that's not good. He knows this is not good. So like then when they came back from the break, they showed it and you know, the guys fell on his legs. So I don't know if it was just a bad sprain not a bad sprain, and he's just you know, you know, if it just hurt or broken. I have no idea, they asked Bill. Um, he said, I just got in. I don't know what's going on. I mean, can you tell what happened? Um? Yeah, I mean you know, can you tell the end, like if it was a

snap or just a spring rolled on. I mean, but he's instantly in pain. I mean, it's just it's a it's a weird quirk a mac like he just like tries to hop up and hop off, like I think, right, he didn't even try to put weight on it. That's like immediately yeah. Yeah. That the shot of him is him at the bottom of the stairs right before going into the locker room, and he's still but does you see it kind of get twisted. It's just left left

leg or ankle. Definitely his ankle, because I saw grabbed for the ankle immediately and I would say, um, sometimes these can be dangerous. Um. Sometimes they say a high ankle is worse than a break. No, but I mean there's there's some quotes on Twitter from Patriots players. They're all being asked about their confidence level and Brian Hoyer, and they're all answering the question geez, you know, it's

next man up, that kind of stuff. So no, but I'm I'm serious, Like, if they didn't think there was anything, yeah, screaming in pain, I don't think that they would be addressing questions about Brian. Right, I get your point, But I'm sorry, did I go mister? He said, And I said, so this is what happens, Okay. I thought I thought you would making it fun of me for being captain obvious, which would have been which would have been an uh. Bailey got looked at, came back hamstring for Mills. He uh.

I mean, I don't know if he came back. But Lawrence was right the end, and Lawrence guy was the big one that was a shoulder. He was out that I mean, and I mean they were already having some success running. I do think I do think it got worse when he left the game. I think that was a significant factor. Yeahs as much as as much as we've been calling for more bar more. You know they did run the ball better when guy left the game.

Ye all right, let's let's move to the phones here eight five five Pats five hundred Web Radio at Patriots dot com if you'd like to send us an electronic mail. We begin with fingers crossed to Eric in New Jersey. Eric, you're on the Patriots post game show? What's going on? Hey, guys? Was going on? I kind of want talking as the defense real quick? Um seemed like did Matt Wilson um get pulled? To seem the second half? He seemed to missed a couple of plays there in the first half.

I know he had the two miss tackles last week. I mean the speech showing up out there, but it's just not making the plays. He did not play well today. I would say he was responsible for a couple of big plays early in the game. And you know you're wondering, like, Yo, Matt Wilson, he's a pretty good player. Why is he available? Why? Why? You know? Like, and that's why he's not consistent. He seemed more like Gary Guten out there that he just from like two thousand having speed out there, just had

but just fast. It hasn't where he's going. Yeah, I mean. And then Miles Bryant, he seems like another one like Jason will Hype from back in the dates. He seems to be on the highlight riels every week. Um, I mean, when are we gonna give Marcus Junes? We're gonna give the kids? Les Bryant. I can see it kind of always there, never makes the play, I can I can see what he's talking about. Yea, working hard, not getting much done. Yeah, all right, Eric, thanks for the call. Oh,

we'll go to Paul in Houston. Paul, you're on the Patriots post game show. What's up, Paul? Hey guys, how are you guys doing good? Yeah? Well, uh, let me start back saying that I feel that that was a defense showing for the defense first three quarters. So I think Paul mentioned it earlier. I think we made it thrive today. But the offense, that comment that Evan made on the show on Wednesday, the offense listening like it's

being designed by an extensive coordinator, was still accurate. I mean, just some of the calls on third down and fourth down, you know in the in the red zone. That's just an acceptable I think Dtree fat kind a good game. But one thing I want a key on how they're used in. I think they're fourth in to have Julia Smith on the field more than Hunter Henry. After the season Henry had last season, I thought Henry play much better. I think it's a better tight end as far as

a total package. I just want to hear you guys talk about that. Well, yeah, I mean, Henry's not been blocking well this year, and that's the whole thing. They're clearly not really designing much to get the tight ends involved in the passing game. And Jonah Smith is, to your point, fred definitely a better blocker than Hunter Henry. I don't necessarily say I agree with it, but you know they chargeted the tight end five times today and

had five catches on him, but no plays. You know, the longest game for both of them was eight yards UM, So four catches for twenty five yards for Johnah Smith, one for eight for Hunter Henry. They're not throwing the ball, so my guess is they think that Smith is a better blocker and that's why he's been out there. I don't know why I don't have the answer to that.

They don't. I mean, they're just not involved. I mean it doesn't seem like there's I mean, the effort to get the ball to the wide receivers is clearly there, like it's a mandate. But and clearly Hardy has Hunter and Fantasy football because he's he's having a I just don't know. I had him today because I had my whole team is on suspension, so I had to put someone in. Yeah, I just don't understand why you target him once he makes a catch and that's it the

whole rest of the game. For two weeks now he's on the pay no Mind list. It's just that, I mean, like this isn't even the surface level of like, you know, you signed these guys, you had a plan for why you brought them in, and last year I get like the questions, but this year it's like even less and now maybe kind of overlook that game. But now you've got two games in a row where it just doesn't really seem like they can effectively get them the ball

or you know, really tap tap their talents. I mean, you know, we did just something else. I noticed. It was like every time they get like down and you know, we got a glimpse of like some red zone possessions. It's all like spread offense still Like it's like they're on the two yard line and Max's still in the shotgun, like there's no It's just it kind of striking to me the difference between back in the day, not even back in the day, go back to last year when

they had a full back and they'd have power. They just they don't really seem to be going into that anymore. That is, they had about three carries that they tried today from inside the five yard line, all of them resulted in touchdowns. Just line up and run it. What do you what do you try to trick people for? Your running game in the red zone was really good last year. That was the one element of the offense that I thought was pretty good last year when they

got down close goal to goal. Damian Harris, I say this stat a million times. He had fifteen rushing touchdowns. That's a good number. And today they ran it in again when they when they had to, you know, I mean, uh, Davidan Harris two yard touchdown run, Romadre Stevenson one yard touchdown run. I mean, like that's what you want to do down there? Right? And then Mac scrambled in for

another rushing touchdown on the third one. But I don't know why you're so concerned, Like they came this close to end in the game in the third quarter when Mac through one right to Patrick Queen on first and goal from like the two hit him right in the sixth he catches that he's gone, right, then what do they do the next play? Let's just hand the ball out to Romandri Stevenson here, make sure we get in

the end zone. That could have been game. Oh yeah, absolutely, no. I I understand what you're saying about Hunter Henry and he's not great at blocking. That's why he is not in there. But can he catch? I mean, can he get can he get open? What he been worthy of a target on that second and fourteen? Yes? When that's

and so why is he not in there? Why are they are they getting greedy with the with the uh you know the running backs are like you know, if if he had fifteen rushing touchdowns last year, let's try him from fifteen yards out well to see if that works. It's not going to work. That's not the play to call there. It's like, I don't even know. And I know that, but even last year Henry was effective in the red zone, but was the effective outside of that?

I mean, I don't know. I'm not hey, I'm not asking him for you know, to get ten targets, give him five, give him give him one, and those one of those situations. How but you know, and on the on the very next play they do something similar. You know, the second and third down plays on that series were just they were just garbage. I don't understand. I just I understand why they You won't utilize some of the weapons that you already have, even if they're not perfect. Okay,

they're not perfect. Hunter Henry is not, you know, the prototypical Bill Belichick time and he doesn't see well enough. Oh well, I know what you're saying, Hardy, But it didn't seem to me like, oh, the reason the Patriots offense was having trouble is because they weren't using all their weapons. They were making mistakes. You know, it's not like, oh man, they could have really used this here and there. They were just okay, so what what mistakes were they making?

Turnovers for one, that's one, okay, penalties for two? You know I'm talking about errors, not like bad play calling, and some of them I ain't. Bad play calling was, by the way, the biggest play calling to me. Turnovers happened as a result of bad play calling and also Mac trying to force some throws into guys, Yes, that aren't equipped to either either bring them down either in traffic or or get a body on somebody to create some space. But that's like, for example, the one where

Mac threw it up in the end zone. Yeah, the biggest player the game, but that's not that was Max Gotta. I'm sure those plays were called with Tom Brady too. Brady would throw it away and take the three and you loose. That's the point you needed a touchdown to you were down five. No, but but you had plenty of time. You needed to capitalize on that turn take the points. Now, I'm with yeah, I mean sure, in retrospect,

I'd rather have a field goal than a than a pick. Right, But you lift you throw the pick because you run on second and fourteen, I know, but you throw the pick because that's bad. That's a bad everything, And I know no one wants to say it because he had You know, you got to protect the ball bows, but that's actually bearing down on him. It was like two defenders there. It wasn't gonna happen. Just throw it away

and take the three. I get I guess from the pressure on him again because instead of having two throws where maybe you can dictate what you do, you get yourself in third and goal from the ten. I gotta do it here comes to safety, blitz out of the slot. He gets there, untouched pick. Terrible played by Mac. I'm not absolving Mac. Mac didn't play well. He had some periods that he did some great things, especially with his

feet today. Yeah, but he didn't play well overall. He made some good throws, but when the game was on the line, he did not make good throws. And that was a terrible throw. Terrible throw. I'm not absolving him, but I'm with hardy play calling set that sequence out, and I think some of those mistakes are a result of plays being called, and Mac has put in a position where, well, what else do you want me to do?

Maybe if you had a tight end on the field and you had the green light to target him four six yards across the middle, just you know, just put it up high where he can get it. And do that as opposed to chuck him one in the corner in the end zone that's way too short and ends up being a pick, and that essentially that effectively ends the game. Well, there you go, that's what that's what you end up with. Did you feel the game was over when Mylein Humphrey picked that ball off? Yeah? I

kind of did too. Now it shouldn't have been, but I kind of felt like it was. I didn't think it like how many times you think the defense defense didn't really stop him much. Today they had just stopped him when they forced that Bateman fumble. Yes, and then they gave him the ball right back and they went right down the field. And that's what's like a bigger

part of it. And I mean, I agree with everything you guys are saying, but it's just, you know, the overall game on the line, let's kind of kick it into gear and really start to play our best football, and they just kind of withered, like they felt like

they came out playing their best football. Kind of put that and even you know, again in kind of common recent Patriot history, start in the in the start of the third quarter two but you know, at the end, it's just that that's when they didn't play their best football. They played their worst football. Actually, I just want to correct myself because there was another possession in that the Patriots defense did actually come up with another stop after

that interception, and then that's when a Galore fumbled. Yeah, they kind of just took turns. That's there's another play call and want to ask you about. But before we go to break, and that was you mentioned it briefly. The fourth and three early on horrific And this is what we're talking about in the pregame. Let's take some of these chances today, you know, let's not be afraid to turn the ball over midfield. That was the one where they sent Kendrick Borne in motion I think, and

then he's kind of draws the defense with him. So explain it to me. Explain what's supposed to be happening on that Blaye, what actually happened? Well, I get I think park it was supposed to be a pick play right, and Parker missed the pick on the fourth and three. Yes, I think Fred has it. Okay, that will be my guess. Again, I'm not a I'm not in all twenty, but but I'm with you. Like, why are you throwing it behind the sticks? Three yards behind the sticks? Um, they threw

the ball behind the line. Yeah, that play never developed the way it was supposed to. Yeah, I think Parker missed the pick um. But I don't like I mean, I don't like having to run pick play there, just run a play, right, It just oh yeah, there's a lot to be frustrated about. I think that it's funny because I think Mac did some things today that I've never really seen him do, and he kept them a lot.

That touchdown drive that he led was almost all I mean, after he threw his first pick and you know he ruined that drive. Next drive, it was because of Mac that they scored, right, He kept it along. He made a beautiful throw to Parker to start the drive. Then he made a couple of insane scrambles that like, I don't know how he did, right, it's just really fourth and one play that he bought all that time, and then hit Jono Smith for the first time. That was

an amazing play. And again and even the two pointer that it was Yeah, that's not and that's what Loud said. He goes what a play? I said, Do you think that was a play. No, it was, it was. It was some great football. You. I was sort of wondering how they will letting that go when it happened, why, I was like, he looked like he was and he was like almost on his face. Yeah, like he was all the way down. I don't know how they missed that. All right, let's let's step aside. Here gets more of

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all starts. Now. Join the conversation by calling the A Sticket hotline at eight five five PATS five hundred, or email the show at web radio at Patriots dot com. I mean, I don't know what they look like, but based on the numbers, it seems it seems like the Patriots or the Balls live from our studios inside Guette Stadium. Here's Hardy, what's going on? We come back and both everybody leaves. Two of the hosts leave the studio. I've never seen anything like in my life. It's like I'm

working with a couple of zolacs. All of a sudden, it's just gone. I mean, it's like we're at ninety eight point five. This is professional radio. I agree with you, Fred, it's not, you know, that's just mess around. Fred was here so we didn't have to really worry about did you say what you said. Were you doing the over unders totals? No, oh, okay, because the overunders I think I did. Okay, well, I think we're all four and

two unders. We're all four and two in the overrunders. Okay, all right, all right, three of us, all right, all right, I'll take your word for it. Trust him, hardy. All right, let's get to the phones here. Five five pats, five hundred. Appreciate that, Fred, Appreciate you. By the way, I just received word on Twitter that the mac Jones injury was in fact the result of that last play, not him flopping out of bounds trying to draw the late hit

personal foul call. Did you see the flop on the sideline? Even Fred said, oh, yeah, that's not a penalty. Yeah. The guy literally took his hands off of him when he got to the white like he left his feet and dove. Yeah it was. It wasn't a penalty, borderline. No. Not only was it not a penalty, it's kind of embarrassing when you watch the replay. Yeah, I was. I'm

a bit embarrassed. I don't like those plays, no, Like I remember Mahomes did one of those on a Monday Night game a few years ago against the Patriots, and I was like, stop, oh, that'll be a meme. He's too good for that. Let's go to ban the camera. What's up, Brian? Oh, I don't know about that, friend, Brian. What do you got guys? I got two different things, uh mentioned to you guys. First thing is for fred Um Fred I appreciate everything you do as far as

game by game play. It's like a no, you get a lot of critics must fans, but we definitely appreciate it. For a second thing, between Hardy and Paul Um, I got two different things. It's like, I don't mean to go back the way back from Wayne and when Brady played, but it seems like when we're in the red zone we put more tight ends involvement in like we did with Brady, and we're not doing so much with John Hunter.

That's true. No, well it's certainly not this year. Last year Hunter had his share, but not now I know, But yet What but bubbles my mind is you seem okay with it. You're like, oh, that's not the reason why they when they're getting close, they're scoring. It's not like they're not scoring today. Before us and involvement. They ran it in three times. We're when when they needed it, when they needed it, when when you desperately need to score in the fourth quarter and you're down, and then

and then he doesn't come on the field. I'm talking about when they're close in Okay, talking about red zone right now? Okay, Well, on the red zone in the fourth quarter, down five, they threw a pick. That's a killer, and they threw a pick because they ran the ball. First, they throw a swing pass on first and goal from the ten that loses four yards. Terrible call. And then they get a four yard run on second and fourteen, another horrible call. Then it's on Mac on the pick.

I agree with you on that. Matt can't throw a pick and you gotta kick a field goal. It seems like off his wrong foot and he's off balance. Well, that one, it was just a bad decision, period, just bad. Like this isn't like practice, like a do or die play, you know it, And it's almost like he thought he was back in practice with those do or die Yeah, you know what, It's funny you say that because it did have that kind of a feel to it. It's like this is that this is the end of eleven

on elevens. You know, if you gotta do something here, well I'll take a shot. It's like, no, you're not even close. You have to that's game awareness, situational awareness. And I'm sorry, Fred, I'm just I'm not gonna be okay with your twelve million dollars a year tight end just being just being put in mothfuls. I mean, they look like ryanz Owe and Matt Lacosse from you know, twenty nineteen when you had to go out and get

those guys via Pa. You know, I had to pay free agents to get those guys, and for what now they're not really producing, They're not part of the offense. So yeah, Scott's supposed to be like, you know, a real, you know, viable weapon. They're just not using them at all. I also just feel like, to Fred's point, like it's like item number six on my level of concern with the offense, where like, all right, I mean I'd love to get the tight ends. I'd also love to not

throw four turnovers. I don't want to get them involved for involvement's sake. I think if there's something not working, yeah, I can help them in the red zone. It can help them move the ball a little bit and maybe give Maxim better options as opposed dude chucking it up like you know, he doesn't want to run a lap. Yeah,

that's all. It's just the same thing last week people were saying about Parker always really got two targets and an interception, and all right, well he was involved today, it didn't really matter if the same kind of result happened, you know. Like I mean, I'm not trying to pick

on your point, like I think you're totally right. I just think they they're a mess right now, and you know, getting those guys involved would be great, but at some point they've got to like just establish a baseline and not beating themselves, and I don't feel like they're there yet. Brent in Vermont on the Patriots postgame show, Hello Brent, Hey, boys, what's going on? Well, you know, so, nothing's more infuriating than losing a winnable game because we totally had the

chance to multiple times. And my question is is when are we going to go back. I'm not expecting mac Zones to be toun Brady by any means, but I feel like what made us win in the past was playing smart and precisely, you know, whether it's you know, the dink and dimes, three four or five yard passes and then running it. And I just feel like what separated us from the garbage team was making those reckless saw throws, which seems like we're trying to do now.

So I'm just wondering when you guys think we're going to go back to how we used to play, you know, all through the you know, two thousand to two thousand and ten. It would be nice if we could find some kind of middle ground between ineffective runs and reckless throws. Well and right now there appears to be not a lot of middle ground. But remember remember what I was saying, well you during the week, Hardy, I was saying that, like in Max's for a season, his rookie season, they

really bottled him up. They protected him from making mistakes by the kind of players they were calling in the game they were running. And you know, Manning had more interceptions and touchdowns his rookie season. He kind of got it out of his system. He was allowed, he was allowed to make mistakes, and I don't think Mac was this year and now this year, I think he's last year. Now this year, I think he is. You know, the leash has been lengthened a little bit, and I think

he is able to throw those reckless balls. And you know, if you could go ahead in time and tell me that because of the mistakes he makes this year, he'll learn and he'll get better, then okay, let's have a bad season and let's go forward. But I don't know about that. He's not Peyton Manning. But I'm okay with him chucking it down field. I really am. I really you gotta try it, you know, like you can't play

dank and dunk forever. You know, he's got to get because this team doesn't have the consistency to matriculate the ball down field. You know, with ten, twelve plays, fourteen plays. They've got to take some chances this year. They've got to take chances this year, and that's the only way they're gonna have a chance on offense. And if they you know, if they can't do what they can't do it, we're gonna have a bad season. I said they were

gonna be eight and nine. It might be worse, you know, but but I think in his development, you can't keep him under wraps forever. You gotta see what you got here. I don't want to go into week in season three with him having not taken chances and us being not knowing what we've got with this guy. The only thing is today I don't think is that I agree with almost everything you said. We talked about this during the week.

I just don't think today was that day. They threw it all over the place today, down the field, and I'm not complaining about that. I'm not suggesting that you are. I'm saying they today they let him make throws down the field and he made He missed some, but he made some, and it just wasn't enough. I mean, I kind of feel like we know what we have in Mac. Not to say that his career is defined, but I mean this is what he's been and there were definitely

some bright spots in that. I think the difference from me at Peyton Manning he's kind of like a wild stallion. He's a young guy with all the different tools. He's got,

the strength, the smarts, everything. It's a little easier to let those guys just kind of do it, where with Mac, I kind of think like he needs to be managed a little bit, and clearly with the mistakes that he's making something there's some kind of disconnect because he's still making those mistakes in the most critical moments when the game is really on the line in New England's hanging by a threat and they really need a touchdown and he puts one up that you know has no prayer

being completed. So I think he needs to be managed. But I think at the same time, we need to see what happens when it's his decision. What are his decisions going to be, and let him learn from that. If he never has to make a decision, he's never gonna learn, you know. So I know I'm being very simplistic about this, but you gotta let you gotta take the training wheels off. Let's see what this guy does

when it's his decision. And I mean, my question too would be, you know, how much freedom does he have within this system? You know, like like how much involved is he how much does he know what's going on to make choices, Whereas maybe he doesn't even really realize what his choices are. He's like, I've got one choice, but you know, I don't know. But my fear is like the pick they threw in the end zone where he was where he's trying to get it to Parker.

Was that his decision? Yeah, well it would have been his decision. No, the play was designed, but it would have been his decision. That's exactly answer. It would have been his decision not to throw it, and he made the decision to throw it. That's you know, Okay, so well you're kind of getting you're kind of getting what you're asking for. And it's not a great result, right, it's but he needs more of it. Just you can't just give up up and on one game he's gotta

you gotta let him do that. It It took Peyton Manning a season, obviously, you know it's gonna take this guy a while. This it's it's a tough pause. You know. We're told that his superpower, if he has one, is cerebral. It's his head. He's very smart. Okay, well, if if he's making bad decisions, then he doesn't have that power, then he's lost, you know. So you'll only get that in the NFL through experience. You'll only get it through

experience from making bad plays and learning from it. It's really really hard to be a quarterback in the NFL. You gotta do it through experience. There's no other way. And right now, while I can think about is I hope he gets to continue stacking experience right now based on the injury, and you know, from like that's you know, that's a huge thing right now if he you know, if he can't go for a week for longer, you know, how much is that going to set him back in

terms of his development? And you know, this season critically important in his second year. It really doesn't. It hurts a lot. Frightening, it hurts a lot. Let's go to uh Rodney in Cincinnati. Rodney, what I don't think? I don't think it's Rodney? Here is this Rodney Harrison? No, it's Rodney. Okay, how you doing today, Rodney Mayo? I see y'all was trying, y'all trying. We'll be quiet. Go ahead,

ask your question. What do you guys? I'm gonna I'm gonna just hid from d on the defense because right at the top of the fourth quarter, you've seen uh who would that that make that place for the fumble the grab receiver called the bal up. Nelson got hit from behind and that's the second fumble for Nelson Agalore in three games. So you wonder Baltimore Baltimore top of the oh Rashad Bateman fumbled for Baltimore. Yeah, alright, alright,

questionable for what I'm saying. No, I'm trying to say some mine on our defense, No question, I'm sorry I did. Our defense sold up today for real. In the fourth quarter, you know, defense scare up thirty seven points. Yeah, but that was the offense all over. No, not really. We got a time eleven plays, sixty nine yards. Let me get it out, eight nine place seventy five yards, seven place seventy five yards. These are not turnover seven place

seventy five yards. These are not turnover related points they allowed. They had one drive four plays, uh forty four yards on the short field that was that was on the punt return, not on the turnover. They had a field goal drive that they took over, and we went five yards on the pick that he threw in the third quarter. What what I want to say is is in the fourth quarters, the outfense Patriots out, take no time off the off the clouds game had our defense right back

down there so many times. You know, it's a long game. And in the fourth quarter, I think we were gads, but our offense could getting no tam off the clouds for our defense to settle down. If you had I'll give it. I'll give you that one. Defense was terrible. I mean, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, the offense was bad, the defense was bad. They made some plays during the course of the game, but not enough.

Not I mean, I'm sorry. I mean those are the scoring drive sixty nine yards seventy five yards, seventy five yards seventy five. You can't win like that. That's why they were gassed them by Baltimore. The Patriots play three minutes total time O they in a ball back, they give up a punt, Patriots bumble right after three plays. Three plays, that's a minute after a punt, and then Baltimore go down right for a touchdown. You see what

I'm saying, Like, that's just an answer. Well, neither team, neither side of the ball complimented the other, right, yeah, Rodney, that thanks time. The possession of this game was thirty minutes, thirty six seconds to twenty nine minutes and twenty four seconds. Let me let me I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, let me call what it was. And I agree with you, Paul, and I think what Rodney is feeling is probably what

the defense was feeling in that. If I was a defensive player on the Patriots today, I probably thought, at least toward the end of that game, I was playing a little bit better than the offense was and they went out there and coughed it up in a couple of big It gives the defense credit, That's what That's what I That's what I think he's tapping into. Yeah, I give the defense credit for coming up with two stops in the second half out of the six drives

that Baltimore had. You tell me if that's a good percentage. Yeah, I mean I give him credit for the three three and ounce. You know the I guess the two I was gonna say the two three an ounce came in the first quarter they played, you know, I mean that was a good start second colored someone like the I think they played well, and you're like, did you, Mike,

you nailed it? Because that's exactly what happens. We do it all the time when we have a guy that we bring them up from the miners in baseball, if he gets two hits in his first game. He got off to a great start. If he goes over four, he's done. Yeah, Like, it's all about what you do immediately they did. They had two three and outs out of the first three possessions, and they never stopped him again. To use Fred's old line, you do it all the time.

Would you take two steps back from the red please? Would you take those twenty dollars bills out? Please? Are you read? Yeah? Well? Is that why they call you? Right? Oh? It's short for would. My last name is would Doe. You're here? Click? What's your first name? Bill? People not listening all over the world. Thank you for your time. Bill. Uh, let's get to misconfiguration, no idea what he was talking about.

Let's get to some of these emails. Um, at least not everybody is jumping ship and you know there there's there are some cooler heads prevailing. Uh, pats are done, says Alex. Bill hated Brady. He'd rather not He'd rather not compete than compete with Brady. Bill thought he was the franchise. Mac was a mistake. Patriots done till Bill goes that's from Alex. Okay, I just think this was one of those games that it's it's frustrating because it's almost better to get blasted like they did a lot

of things well today. Yeah, I agree, but they did a lot of things wrong. Yeah, I mean I want to say, I mean it's the same year, you know, Like I mean, before the mistakes, I was like, he's made some of the best throws and certainly had the best you know, first half. I think that they had you know that he's had this year with some of that stuff I wasn't expecting. But he can't sweep them. They made some chunk plays, but they didn't get anything

out of them. Ye, Like like the first two drives, I think they had thirty yard completions to part her yep um, and they got ended up with three points or something. I mean, if you told me that Parker was gonna have one hundred and fifty six yards or whatever he had and get announced as having a career high and then not all right, but that's but I'd be like, Okay, Patriots win, but not even close. Really. Uh.

John Beecham in Derby, he says, pronounced Dorby, England. Uh. He says, Look, I'm baffled by the lack of plays Born has been getting. I get he was late and discipline needs to be shown, but surely now he should be getting more throws or does Mac just not fancy him? Was he was he playing more last year? Yeah? Like this, he's played playing single digit snaps on average. He didn't play. He didn't play much today until the very end. Is it that bad? I don't know if they went with

little jury over him? Yeah, I don't know. That's why I say, like, you can give me credit. I don't just what I said in pregame didn't happen. I just don't know why people see him. I don't know who the savior is. Like you want to say, get the tight ends involved, that's the savior. You get Kendrick Bourne involved, That's a savior. Like like, I don't think it merely matters like I think they need. They have so many

more things they need to get in order. I think before those guys can be complimentary pieces that help them win if if they do, I think, if they play on the average, would they get four hundred and forty seven yards of offense like they did today? Right? And as part of that they run for one hundred and forty five yards over five yards to carry. If they play offense like that on a consistent basis, they're gonna be Okay. They just made too many mistakes today to

win the game. And I would also say most games, twenty six points is going to have you in position to win. Now, today it wasn't even close. But I think most times, if the Patriots go to twenty six, they should, they should have a really good chance to win. And I think that's what frustrates piece some people. Yeah, you know, yeah, they've been you know, they're they're on the uptrend in terms of being able to put points

on the board. And I wanted to score at least twenty four points today, but you're gonna have to have a great defensive effort. It wasn't consistent. Thirteen in the first half, thirteen in the second half. Yeah, I thought they moved the ball reasonably well. They only punted like twice. Matt In framing him, says Paul, this is for you, Paul. Okay, at what point can we point the finger at Bill for all the dumbass football and bad coaching and Mac Jones once again heading to the X ray and Mr

Rye Room Bill has lost it. I had Bill in the coaching at large on my bad list today. The thing is that, you know what, you look at the turnovers, It's like, that's not Patriots football, Yes, but it is. It's post Brady Patriots football. I think Bill got maybe too much credit for the lack of turnovers during the Patriots air of football, and now maybe is getting too much blame for the turnovers. It's the players out there, and it gets punched off that Bill I say stuff

like that. I think it's so I think it's so odd that we often equate a well coached team is always the one of the least penalized teams. They don't turn it off wit Dan Campbell, I think is a lug nut. Do you think he tells his guys to go out there and jump offside and drop the ball and make sure that you create as many make sure you give the other team as many turnovers, probably some

push ups in practice every time they do. You know, like, Bill's a great coach because I think his preparation, his game plans, his ability to decipher what the other team's doing. That's why I think he's a great coach. Not because when Brady was here, they were very few turnovers. Brady was great. That's why they didn't turn it over a lot. Now they had another twelve men, it only cost them a yard. It was down in the I think that was I know it sounds stupid. I think that was

a big yard. Yeah, but still, you know, it's just you can't do that, you know, Dah's and that's what you know. Look, that's what the good teams don't do, you know. And that's I mean, Bill, no, Bill, it's just about good team, bad team. Bad teams make turnovers and don't make bad caddies at the end, bad caddying. So you know, I mean and and Bill says, blame me. But when I said it before the season, I was worried more about the defense than the offense. This is

what I'm This is the kind of game. This is because they they put a certain stretched stress on a team like the Patriots, where you don't have the guy up front or the guy in the back where you can play man on man. And you know David Andrew not uh yeah, Andrew, Mark Mark Andrews is wide open

because the Patriots are picking their poison. They're heavy upfront to try to limit Lamar and you know, they're you know, you know, playing that zone in the back, in the middle of the fields wide open for a tight end and he's good. Yeah, you know, like any tight end would have done that today, because that's what the Patriots were given up. They can't cover the whole field. Adrian Phillips had some problems earlier. I thought on Mark Andrews, and I was sorry. I think they went to him

like thirteen times. They threw to him a lot today. Yeah, there was a point where they took him out a little bit, but eight catches on thirteen targets. Yeah, and I think in general, when they didn't connect he was there. I mean, they haven't covered pretty well a couple of times. Once down the sideline, I know what you're talking about. He kind of off he awkwardly threw his hands up, but I thought there was a couple that went off one and went off his shoulder as he was trying

to slide down for some reason. I didn't know why he was sliding down. I thought they had chances to make more plays than they did, and I was surprised that he was as much of the as much of the offense as he was. You figured they would make the wide receivers beat them, and they didn't. It just feels like such a unique team too to face, Like, you know, it's like you judge your whole defense off

of this. They're they're good. They've got a very good quarterback who just does two things so well, and just it's such a unique, weird kind of thing to deal with. But you know next time you'll see with like prepared to get beat similarly next week, but in a different way. It's not going to be like Aaron Rodgers running for one hundred yards. I'll be picking them apart and the blow up coverages are going to Yeah. Yeah, I want to thank cyber Reason, presenters of the Patriots postgame show.

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the Patriots postgame. Shitn't know who you're gonna run into in the post presented by cyber World sucks. All right, thank you, Rob A little Rob Action's all right, like it can fire up A quick thank you back here from Ian Rappaport saying mac Jones has X rays on his ankle following the game and they were negative. His ankle will continue to be evaluated. I would think, all right, positive, positive,

it's on a broken ankle. But keys to recovery presented by Rob Who would lambeaux mac Jones or Brian Hoyer? Joe come on, yeah, come on Hoyer obviously where is he? Yeah, the practice squad, I guess it was. Yeah, all right, uh, five past five hundred. We'll hear from Bill Belichick here in a moment. Don't blink her or you'll miss it. It's a quick post game but we'll I get to that here in a little bit. But first we go to Ray in Texas. Ray, what's going on? You're on

the post game show? Yo? It's pose. I try to get on the pregame show. But I guess I dropped the call earlier. Oh I'm sorry. Okay, it says Ray here, but this is Jose, Okay, I didn't get good a flush this time. Questions. I know the offense is basically what we're gonna see about him minus Jones, But that defense. Are we ever going to see a linebacking corps lanky really our second stream? I know that McClane was hurt, but and Dougger. No, you had Juwan Bentley, uh, Josh Uch,

Anthony Jennings, Mack Wilson, Gelanni Tavai. Those guys were all out there today. I don't think you saw Longkie at all except for on special ties, right. I guess I saw him. He was towards the end of the game, maybe like at the very end, but I didn't. I didn't notice him out there. Um. I mean, I think you're right though. The defense, they didn't really come to play today the beginning. Dietrich wise really had a really

good game, and then Judon really disappeared. Uh yeah, I think Judean was was probably getting credit for some things early on that he may have been doing later also. But you know, once Lamar was able to get up and get through the pocket and get past the line of scrimmage, there was one play there in the third quarter where he picked up ten yards after what should have after the point where he should have been tackled. And you know there were points like that. You know,

that's no longer Judon's fault. You know, I think he was doing a good job of either either pursuing or hanging back and you know, and playing the role of spy on him to keep him from getting out. But a couple of those plays, especially in the second half, once he crossed the line of scrimmage. What can you say? I can I can beat up on the Patriots defense some more, which they deserve, or I can also give credit to a pretty special football player in Lamar Jackson.

I think you got to do both. That's true, And I think that I would air on the side of saying Lamar Jackson's a really good player and he made a lot of plays. I just I want the opposite to be true too. Last week, the Patriots defense was dominant against a medioc are too bad quarterback in Mitchell Drubisky. But we don't do that, right, We don't say that the Patriots only looked good on defense because the other team couldn't make any plays. Right, So they're supposed to

make plays. Yeah, you need to get at the end you couldn't get and they did. And I will say this as an improvement from last year. In these similar kind of situations, they stripped for Shot Bateman in the fourth quarter, down five, and then they got I think there were a couple of first downs, and then they forced a punt, which was a terrible punt by the way, It's like a twenty three yard punt, you know, to give them another chance, and they couldn't take advantage of

the Patriots turned it over. Um. Sorry, well, yes, we are going to go to another phone call here, and then we're gonna get to Bill Belichick here in a couple of minutes, we'll go to Mike in North Carolina. Who's got a comparison here? Or is it a question? What is it Mike? Hey, guys, just a couple of points. So really, you know, Mac had his moments today, but turnovers offensively overall isn't gonna win you very many games, right,

But I really want to highlight a couple of coaching things. One, Kendrick Bourne had twenty snaps today, Little Jordan had fifty three, and Little Jordan didn't show up on the stat sheet at all, which I guess he's a good run blocker. But yeah, come on, guys, like he's not giving us anny, but that's what he's out there for. He's basically a third tight end when he's on the field, or second

tight end at times. Second ten. Yeah, but then on defensively, I mean coming into the game, we knew Jackson was going to be hard. It's hard to stop. But Andrews is his go to guy. He's the only one that beat us up all day and we couldn't have found an answer to try to take him away. It just seemed like he was just eating us up all day. We had no answers. Yeah. I thought Bateman made up big play in the last drive too, you know when he left Jonathan Jones standing still flat footed for a

thirty five yard catching run. That was a big play to get that last touchdown drive started. And DuVernay I thought, made a tough touchdown catching the corner over Miles Bryan break. Yeah, great catch. So like they didn't have like the volume, they only had two catches each, but big place. They both made big plays. All right, Mike, thanks appreciate it. I appreciate the called. Oh Tony in Canada, were you heard from the pregame? A little postgame action here from Tony?

What's up Tony? Guys? Well? Disappointed about the loss, of course, you know, the one good thing I guess that I was a little bit surprised about. You know how we used to say that whenever the pack Paths would get behind by a touchdown or two scores, it was over. Yeah. I never felt that way, you know. I felt like they were always in the game, that there was a chance. So I was hardened by that. But but ultimately it

was the same result. It's true, But I mean it shows we're making progress, right because I guess we did. You know, I didn't really know what the path had in them. I didn't didn't know how confident was wasn't more often. I guess they showed a little bit more than what I expected. So I was hardened by that. But I can tell you end of the game, I forgot all about the loss. I saw maclift it off

the field. I'm I don't know if you guys know, but I'm a big Mac Jones fan, and I can tell you I'm not hardened at all with the With the Brian Hoyer playing the rest of the down, I don't know what looks like, well, well that's race, we're negative. We'll see, um, we'll see what situation. What the situation is when we get some more clarity, probably start of

next week. Look progress and if he comes in next week with his ankle taped up and you know, gutsie before if you take away his legs right now, I right, not too hopeful, No tough situation. I think. I still think there's a fair you know, average to better than average chance that Hoyer has to play next week. And in terms of the progress of the Patriots main today, yeah,

they scored more points. The really the only thing I can truly say is I don't feel any worse about the team now than I did going into the game. I think they they don't go backwards. They didn't go backwards. But to point is that because he feels better, they're getting better. But like my point, I don't feel worse. It might have felt better about it, but that was the same pattern that we saw down the stretch last year.

They're down two scores, they can't catch up. There, you go down two scores late in the game, they can't catch up. There was some there was some talk of that, you know, during the game, it's like this team isn't built to play from behind. I'm like, no kidding, you know, that's it's like, that's not news, that's you know, that's just that they've got a team, but that you know, it's it's largely the team that they had last year.

And that team wasn't built to come from behind. To be fair, there aren't a lot of great teams at a quote unquote built to come from Just thinking that, but I didn't want to get into a whole thing. Yeah, if you were a great team, why are you behind? Yeah? Now I know there are three teams that can come back and manager come this year, We're gonna build our team to come from behind. There are certainly teams that

are more you know more. You know, Kansas City's not gonna bat an eye if they fall down ten nothing in the first squar you know, the Bills. You know, there's a lot of teams that built to score points right right right, But you don't want to fall you fall behind. It's not the way you're built, and it would be an odd way to build a ball club. Yeah. I just think that was part of the buzz kill though today was that I I mean, I agree with Tony in the early going that it felt like defense

is coming to play. There there were plays and you know, series where Lamar looked a little bit confused. It looked like they were keeping him in the pocket. He didn't quite know where to go. They weren't letting him scored out. And even when he was, they were managing the damage. And you know, the big place to Parker like you had some excitement of like are they turning a page here? You know, even when they came back with the field goal before halftime, it was like, man, these guys are

showing some mental toughness. Like I keep saying, I think they did a lot of good things. I think the promises on paper today four hundred and some odd plus yards of offense, we haven't seen that in a while. Yeah, and that gives us promise a little and four turnovers, you know, so right, well, it's like, you know, it kind of goes to passing a little bit where it's like, well, if we could just eliminate the turnovers. But then at the same point, it's like they keep making the turnover, right,

That's that's part of them right now. Yeah, that's who they are. Kobe, Kobe and Louisiana. What's up Kobe, Kobe? Hey, man, what's going on? How y'all doing today? Good. Thanks for calling in, Kobe. What do you got for us? Man? I'm a douarst man. I just think, man, in the fourth quarter, we gotta in secure. We can't be giving the ball the way light that yeah, to get some

points on the on the board. And I really felt like when we head through the ball we went Matt through the interception, we were supposed to go get three points, and I think the beefing need to come out of there and play real good and get the ball bag. How y'all feel about the Well, certainly three would have been better than the turnover, but I don't think anyone was wanting them to settle for three points in that moment before the ball was turned over. I think everybody

was thinking touchdown. Sure so yeah, but but in French time, the better team don't make mistakes, yes right, yes, right, And and that's that's what you're looking You're not looking at one of the better teams right now. You're looking at a team that's still finding this way and is

still trying to right. Because I was thinking to myself, these are the kind of games back in the day, back and forth, you knew the Patriots were going to make the play to win it, you know, and that's you know, and that this is back to Tony in Canada's you know, when he said I felt better, and like, that's exactly what I was thinking of when Richad Bateman

fumbled when Tom Brady was the quarterback. I put that seven on the board and said to myself, how much time is now left for the defense to hold on? And I never thought that way today, you know, I never just automatically put the seven on the board. I

was like, oh, let's see how they take it. It was more like me flirting with myself, being like, maybe they'll just get to the point where they'll be one score down with a chance to take you know, like could they just get to that situation, you know, and and and it was it was close, you know, like they mean they get that two point conversion. It might have you know, you might you might have had a little bit of a different turnout, but then just not

enough and too many mistakes, too late. Well, if you want positive chances, but they couldn't score. If you want to hear about the chances and the positivity in the progress, how many times they made it maybe into Baltimore Territory, tell us about that. Let's let's hear from head coach Bill Belichick. See what he has to say about it in his postgame press conference. Bill, defensively three touchdowns of seventy plus yards surrendered. Just defensively, you know, any what

were the problems today? They had a couple of explosive plays, Um, the drives or seven yards. There wasn't any seventy yard plays. Yeah. Yeah, we had a couple of opportunities to get all filled on third down. They were good first and second down team and that's really where they hurt and moost. But they had a couple of third down conversions that kept those drives going. Um. You know, we had some stops, we had some turnovers, and then we weren't able to

you know, capitalize on those and we got them. So um, it's really you know, just you know, total team football. Bill, you talked about the opportunities late in the game. Can you just talk about I guess the four late turnovers or really the dagger in this one. How upsetting that is to happen late in the game like that on offense. Yeah, that's yeah, I'm gonna win. Turn the ball over in

the fourth quarter. Oh, you know you're behind, you gotta be aggressive, but um, still those Yah, we got to do a better job than we did on those plays, for sure, Bill. Thirty seconds before halftime, you guys manage to u you get some passes and I go for the field goal. The past couple of years, you guys have been pretty conservative in that particular area before halftime. What in particular is sort of different this year that led you too being more aggressive in that scenario. Yeah.

I think each game in these situations different, So I'm not really sure what game situation referring to in the past, but it doesn't really matter. Today. We thought that we had had an opportunity to do that. Um, we're able to you know, get the ball and field goal range, get out of bounce on with no timeouts on the next last play, and then Nick made a good kick. Bill. What did the Ravens do in the second half there with the Lamar Jackson run game that led to them

being as effective as they were? Yeah, I don't think there are any any new plays. Um, you know they ran, you know, they're secat plays and Lamar did a good job on you know, keeping some of those or not keeping you know, the option choices that he made, and you know, we lost leverage and missed a couple of tackles there. So combination of all those things, Bill, going for the two point try in that spot? What are some of the situational things you're weighing when making that call?

What are what what are some the situational thing some of the factors you're considering when you're deciding whether they're not to go for two in that spot? Score and the time left in the game? Bill, Just what's your up shot through three games? Do you feel like this was just a couple turnovers here and there, a couple of players here and there. Do you feel like the team is progressing the way you like in all three phases? Well, I made my comments on today's game. I think that's

really all that matters. Questions good, all right, thank you? Oh not as much positivity as I thought there on that last question. So there we go. That's your post game press conference there with the head coach, Bill Belichick. I say something real quick, Oh Disney, you have to be quick? Well, well, Bill at times can be short, you know with the media and with some of our questions. We you know, we kind of snicker and you know,

poke fun at Bill. His answer on the two point conversion is that's that's all that needs to be said, Like what is what is the you're down to eleven, you score a touchdown, you want to get within three, So we're only chasing a field goal with five minutes left from the game or nine minute whatever the time left? It wasn't it was fourth quarter, of course, you go for two. Like what is they wanted advance analytics, they wanted some kind of like you know, when you really

look at the odds break up. I mean, I guess there was there was still you know, uh, twelve thirty nine left, so there was still some time left in the game. But you definitely go for two there. What what else do you think that he was thinking? I don't I don't even know. I don't know why to ask that question. I mean, it was, it was it was obviously. Did anyone not anyone not think they were gonna go for two? There? Absolutely no, I mean, I mean that was the that was it. You go for two,

that's when you go for it. That's a that's a I mean, you don't need a chart, you don't need an laminated sheet to say that's the that's the situation where you go for two right early on. You might not do it, but like Bill said, s or in time, yep, okay, all right, Well anyway, I just thought that that was it. It was one of those like short you know, Kurt answers, but I think it was that was warm all you needed, okay,

all the information needed. I still don't know what that means, but all the information needed was right there, and that means I know you taught me that before you learned me that one. Just one quick email before we go to break here. It seems to me mac Jones never looks off dbs or defenders and is locked in on his primary target. It way too much. Uh I knows the defense was reading his eyes almost the entire game.

I don't know how you picked that up from the TV set, but uh um, it's four K. What do you guys maybe, what do you guys think? I mean, excuse me, there's definitely I'm four k. Okay, definitely quite a few plays today where the ball just kind of seems like it's hanging and you see everybody running to where it's gonna be, and you kind of know there's just gonna be a moment of impact and you don't know who's gonna come down with it, whether it's us or them. You know, that's a few through a few

of those. The the agal Or fumble. I thought he was like, oh geez, like he thought Agle was running down the field, and I think Fred thought it was picked. I thought it was. Yeah, I lost I lost track of it too. Yeah, I didn't even see it where you saw, but yeah, all of a sudden looked then there's Agile or just dashing right. I thought, I thought, you know, he didn't get it over that middle defense.

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the dog allegedly got sick was nothing. It was like a leaf like I got a phone call about that. I got a phone call in the middle of in the middle of the Patriots postgame showy cool story. All right, you know something, You're the one who put it. You're the one who put it. In a rejoin Morrell. So you buysh an Altar with a big touchdown? Duce, did you get traded? Oh he did? Yeah, Now we just got random red zone. It's just from it was highlights. That was a highlight off red zone from the one

o'clock window. Red zone randomness. All right, So if it's two catches, was that ninety yards a touchdown? Wow? Sounds like he had one catch for very long Yeah, long touchdown to put the game away. Let's get back to the phone. Shall fists? Okay? Any any sorry? Sorry? No? Any any other fantasy football numbers you want to get to anything? Let's go to Mason in Florida. Mason, you're on the Patriots post game show. Patriots lose today, by the way, thirty seven twenty six at home and their

home opener to the Ravens. What do you have for us? Mason? Yeah? I got like a two pronged questions. So I guess, first of all, obviously Max injury aside, I want to know what you guys thoughts are. I felt like he kept us in the game while at the same time throwing it away and time yeah right, and then defensively, is it just me or since we've gotten Matt judeon. He very much still picks the games. I mean, obviously, maybe not intentionally, but the games that he's on, he's on,

and he's off very frequently. I don't know what your guys thoughts on there, but I'd love to hear it. Thank you. I think he's been pretty good so far. I think, yeah, I think he's I think he's on more than he's off. And I think he did have you know, it was I don't know if it was a decline last year. He just didn't maintain the same level early in the season that he did toward the end. But you could say that for large portions of the

team last year. Yeah, I think. I mean, he's he's made some plays, but I mean I think you need more guys to make plays around him too. I mean, and you know, you saw it a little bit from teacher wise, but this is not enough. At a farmer,

it's been kind of disappointing. He hasn't really taken that chip, you know, tough game for him though, Like you know, I mean, maybe next week he's able to you know, to get after Aaron Rodgers a little bit more, but it's not gonna make a living chasing around Lamar Jackson. But I think you need those guys like like Wilson and Dugger who didn't play. Of course, those guys have to start making making plays. And you know, especially in those key moments down the stretch where they just they

kind of dried up and Ducker was quiet today. It was quiet. Yeah, It's like almost like you do sping Fresno, Hi high speed. What's going on? Hey, guys, say Fred, how's it hanging? Oh boy? Hanging? Okay? Right two inches from the ground. Um. That seems like a little seemed like inappropriate with mac Um. You know how we've been talking about like he kind of needs everything perfect in order to do is what he's supposed to be able

to do. Um. I thought I kind of was watching Kings and I was thinking not that not that it was perfect, but it seemed like the pieces, at least on this Pigions team, we're kind of like operating maybe what their steeling could be. So far, like things were asked as perfect as Matt could hope for, and he still didn't seem to live up to that stereotype we have of him. And I don't know if you guys

thought that way. I think that when I say perfect, I mean like the running game is going, the receivers are getting open, the defense is shutting down the other team. And he didn't get all of that today. I mean in his defense. Okay, all right, I mean they out thirty seven points. You tell me, Well, the biggest thing with with Mac two is, you know, if if his superpower is his you know, football mind and his cerebral understanding and ability to make decisions and redefense, that I'm

not seeing that either. I'm seeing some very poor decisions out of Mac. So yeah, accurate, drop. I was thinking, you know, Parker was playing his role. Um, Parker was was very good today. Parker got open today. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I thought that the offensive line did it a good job kind of creating a pocket for it, and I think they were just until I guess until it did it. But then then Mac

makes that sort of brainless bill for the interception. Backing up, Yeah, you're right, that was a bad play, no question anyway, Thanks guys, have a good one. But I mean, thanks be. I thought the past protection was just okay. Today, I mean he got sacked three times, he ran for his life on a number of other plays, Like I thought he made more plays with his legs today than he has it anytime during his short career. I mean, Mac, dude, you usually have the blitz numbers, how many, what percentage

did the Ravens. I haven't seen the Ravens blitz numbers yet, um, just just the other side of it. But yeah, I'll keep an eye up for it. I'm curious what they kind of did to him, but I don't recall too many. I know that the interception that Humphrey had was a blitz that was definitely a guy from the secondary came off the edge. U one email here wondering if Lamar Jackson mc jones traded uniforms today, who's the undisciplined guy and who's the guy who's supposed to keep it all together?

This is this is to me a great example of a five year guy versus a second year guy. You know, Lamar it certainly had some issues early on, but hey, he's got a lot more just you know, raw talent, his ability to pick up yards on his own, and he's starting to look like a guy who's been in the league for a few years. And that's I mean, that's the thing. It's just he's got a well to go to. And you talk about, you know, what's Max's strength.

It's like, you know, you can talk about max intelligence or processing and all that kind of stuff, but at the end of the day, a guy who runs a frigging four two forty and can just all of a sudden tuck it and outrun everybody, Like, it's just there's no way to count for that, and he'll always have that speed. And you know, now as his throwing ability has kind of come along again, you know you just saw you saw glimpses of it. Oh, this is what they're trying to do. Keep him in the pocket. He

doesn't quite know where to go. He has nowhere to run out, and you know they have those moments, but they just they can't. They can't sustain it through it. It's hard to do. I mean, speaking of good running, I wasn't here earlier. I assumed that you had Stevenson on your good list, which, yeah, because he had some really nice runs. Yeah, I would agree. I thought he

gave them a lift. I would just say the one thing, like, I know that's not the point of the emails comment, but Lamar Jackson has never really been a mistake prone quarterback. He's not the greatest pure passer that I've ever seen. I tell you what, He's only been in double digits and interceptions once in his whole career, and that was when he threw thirteen. It's not like he threw one in garbage time. This year. A little more zip on those intermediate throws that I then I remember seeing in

even last year. It gets a little loose. And there were times today that I thought the elbow drops and the ball goes up, you know. And he's still there's like a little loose at times. But like I said, I don't think he's ever really been a hugely mistake prone quarterback. And feel free to join us for the entire postgame show, Freddy, you don't have to wander in, you know, ten fifteen minutes in. I stay till the end of the game, and then I have to clean up.

And there's some things. What traffic they have you cleaning up now and picking up after other people have a lot of things. You've never seen my setup in the press box. Pick them all off when I'm done. I can't leave my toys out. What do you have up there. I have things, satellite technology, things, technology at things. Yes, I love technology. I have to clean it up when I'm done. Okay, okay, uh sitting, I listened to Bill Okay, Courtney,

and Houston says, pull the plug. If Mac is down for real time, does it make any sense for Craft to pull the plug on the Bill Mac tenure and start fresh with over thirty million in cap space next season for the Patriots, I'm assuming we win less than seven games with Mac or Hoyer. Again, we need to reiterate the X rays were negative. But you know, you start dealing to high ankle stuff and all the reports I'm hearing from Mac going down the hallway, like the screaming,

crying like in some real pain and high ankle. High ankle's nasty. High ankle can linger. High ankle can last four months. I mean, even if he can play, how confident are you that he's going to be healthy enough to deliver a road win in lambeau Field for you know, for the Packers, given on how they look. I mean, it's just the odds are static. On our show during the week, you know, somebody asked, like if the Patriots have a top pick and they have a quarterback available,

should they pull the trigger? And most of our listeners were like, yeah, I think I heard that. Yeah, Yeah, I heard you guys doing some good emay talk too, until Due shut it down and said let's start talking football. Wow, that was unbelievable. Due's getting things back. We were doing emay talk and then we realized we were live video. We didn't know we were. Yeah, we had a show this week that was on YouTube. It was live on YouTube, and we had no idea you're being filmed. For me.

First of all, I spent the entirety of the show being made fun of from mowing a pizza at the midway point. You see all the video they pulled to that slow motion stuff here. That's what Nick does. He does that. There was a guy who came up to me at the at the James White event yesterday and said,

you guys are on YouTube now. I'm like, okay, whatever, And he must have had me confused thinking I was here during but during the show, I'm like giving Paul signals like you know right, like and I didn't know you were a big gesture to each other. I do a lot of what nobody knows what this. I can't be left to my own devices. I do a lot of dumb things. I don't want to be on TV if I don't know. It's just the huge I roll

pizza and two bites exactly. If I had known that, I would have at least taken three just rolled it up to it right down. It seems like something they would have told you about ahead of time. I don't know they didn't. Uh surprise, all right, here's Peter and Maryland. Uh. My biggest concern is Mac being out for extended time will lead to Bill having a built in excuse to continue using the franchise to prot to provide career for

his kids and favorite Lackey's got. These emails are brutal. Yeah, they are the moves he made off season on the whole, indefensable in my opinion. Goes on to talk about the coaching staff, given that Bill seems adverse to bringing in elite talent, how exactly is this team supposed to become relevant again? Until the Crafts step in and hit the reset button. You know that this was a topic of conversation, you know, going into the year when it looks like, wow,

this could be this could be rough. You know, what would it take for for ownership to consider a coaching change. And we were split as to like how bad a season would have to be, and even if one bad season would be enough, we are talking about Bill Belichick. That's a huge decision. Wow, that's I mean. And if Mac missus considerable time and during that stretch, they you know, completely fall out of the playoff. Is it fair to

judge anybody? You know? That's like one of those things they'll go back and point to two thousand and eight and said you didn't need your guy then why you know, Look, I'm not they make the playoffs. Uh, they did not know right, and they lost seven more games than they did the year before five. I forgot that. This is one of the things that irks Paul went in the no. But I think they deserve a lot of credit for not folding right losing their their franchise quarterbacks. There's two.

In one hand, I think they deserve a lot of credit for that. On the other hand, I think they've given credit for not having slipped while losing the quarterback, and they slipped precipitously, and not only that, it clearly was one of those years that was odd in the AFC that there were so many teams that had good It was like you either had like ten or eleven wins or three. It was an odd year, like eleven

and five is great some years. Other years it's not good enough to make the playoffs, right, And I mean, I think more context of that too, is that I don't think it's that out of the realm of what we've been watching that they haven't really been able to beat good teams, you know, and that was that and that they beat the Dolphins in Miami and like November

and that was probably their best win. And then otherwise you're losing the Chargers to the Steelers, you lost an overtime to the Jets, you know, and the same thing. Terrible easy schedule as well as another another factor of that, you know, And I think it kind of feeds into some of this Max stuff where you know, people call us up they're so afraid of, you know, finishing eight and eight or finishing in the middle and just bad

enough not to get a good draft pick. And you know, in some ways, I feel like that's kind of what Mac is is the quarterback. He's not so bad that you're gonna have a two three win season, But is he gonna get you over the ten win hump? That's the question. I've got a shoebox at home, just full of tiny pieces of folded paper things that irk Paul, and in them you'll find uh Patriots or Brady's bad season in two thousand and two. That'll set you off.

Regular PEPSI led the league in touchdown passes, thank you, and the Patriots great season in two thousand and eight. Yeah, that one is a little less, but yeah, you're right, you're right to put it in that folder. Okay, it's a shoe box, all right. Shoe box. Yeah, it's a shoe box. I have a shoe box of things that what Oh my god, let's shots later, heading to the

locker room. Let's let's wrap things up here. Final thoughts on the Patriots home opener here, of course, it's a loss to the Bravens thirty seven twenty six, Fred any any parting thoughts? Are we done already? Yeah? Yeah, um, I'm with you. I don't feel any worse about the team after this loss than they did going in. You know, totally agree, totally agree, But that's said. I predicted eight nine this year, So they're gonna lose games. Yeah, yeah, yea.

You know, for me, it's all just about Mac and his injury, and you know, if he has to sit out some games, how's that going to derail them? I'm interested to see Howyer, But I get when people are talking about Zappie. You're interested to see Hoyer. Why because I'm curious what this looks like with a different quarterback. Just that, I mean, I'm curious. I have no interest

in that. I literally I'd rather see Yeah serious, Bailey, No, I get it because as as good, even if it were better, there's no future in it, right right, But then then maybe there's no future in Mac if it looks better without him. Yeah, I have I share is trying to shut the door on Mac. Now. I share Mike's um sort of interest in seeing if it looks any different, because I think there were times in the

summer that it did look different for the better. I blow that off for preseason and experienced quarterback in preseason is going to rip apart the soft game playing list defenses. But Hoya has been in the league for fifty years and I've seen him make the same mistakes Mac mate today. So I don't. I agree. And the thing that would override that to me is I don't want to see

Hoyer because this is all I like. Let's let's just say, for argument, say Horrier comes in and has to play five games and they go five and oh when he lights it up, doesn't do anything for the overall progression of the team, right, like in twenty twenty two. It's great, but it doesn't do anything to help your problem. All right, That's why I'm not really interested in seeing it. Uh. Thank you to everybody for involved in both the pre

and postgame show. Next week will be a four twenty five kick in Green Bay as the Patriots and whoever ends up playing quarterback for them next week. We'll certainly be keeping an eye Am Mac Jones this week and his evaluation on his injury. After the game, we will be here to talk about everything with you, starting at let's say two o'clock after your music show. What is your music show? Uh, this is where things get a little hinky. I'll beyond two places at once next Sunday

at that time, but it'll be all right, okay. Anybody say that's tirade by Ken Dorsey After the Bills game he looked like twelve year old Paul Parolo when you get throwing stuff around, or Mac Jones when you guys hear how you look at it, when's a little Patriots unfiltered back on again, you guys do today? Today were at where are we landing? Josh Allen was forty two for sixty three for four hundred yards and they only scored nineteen points. Unbelievable. Wow, wow, Yeah, something happened there

all right, So until all that happens. Final score for the final time here Patriots twenty six, Baltimore thirty seven. That's for you, Paul. To everyone, thank you for listening and watching. Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, please rate and review us. Listener comments and ratings help keep us high on the podcast rankings so new listeners

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