Patriots Postgame Show 12/18: Breaking down the loss to the Colts

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was like a cat pot bang. Now the Patriots fall to the Colts in Indianapolis to twenty seven seventeen the final It's the Patriots Postgame Show, brought to you by Cyber Reason, official defenders of the New England Patriots, Hardy, Mike do So. Paul Parello here taking your calls eight five five Pats, five hundred emails Weibe Radio at Patriots dot com deuce your initial thoughts after the game? What do you got? Very sloppy start. I think that was what was most jarring to me. The you know, you

knew the Colts prey off a turnovers. They came out, Gunner had a fumblely fumbled it out Mac with the interceptions. Uh, they kind of you know, book ended the halftime with those two turnovers there. Uh, you know, credit to Indie. They came out, they played hard, they dominated both sides of the ball, and I, you know, I do I do like a little bit of fight. The Patriots showed down the end, but in the end it just wasn't It just wasn't enough. Certainly not enough at the end.

But they did show some fight there toward the end of the game. And and maybe fight is the wrong word. I think offensively they finally got a few things to click. Yeah, I would echo a lot of what what Mike said. I just think that they they kind of reverted to the team that we saw in the first half of the season tonight with the penalties, the turnovers, the block punt third one of the season, just overall sloppiness. They

kind of made it easy. I do think they did some things reasonably well tonight, But and I'm sure we'll hear from Bill Belichick later, not nearly enough and not nearly consistent enough. Even the things they did well, you know, and I would agree, you know, I don't ever expect the Patriots to roll over and die. And they didn't roll over and die even twenty to nothing. You know, that to me is not even on the table. Like the Patriots sort of you know, capacity to fight, that's

not a question. It hasn't been in question really since two thousand and one. They haven't had a team that I think has has just been a bunch of quitters ever, So that's a given to me. But everything else tonight just wasn't good enough. And I would, you know, I think going to spend a lot of time on a

bad list time, Yeah, we are. But I gotta say, for as good as you can feel about, you know, a game where they played as poorly as they did, a game that they ended up losing, I feel oddly okay just because of the way they were able to turn things around a little bit offensively at the end, and the defense was able to make a couple of plays.

It wasn't a complete embarrassment, It wasn't a disaster. It was kind of that humbling game that I thought maybe this team could get some benefit from and and also puts them into position to where now that game against Buffalo next week, I still think Buffalo is a better football team than the Colts. They're going to be here

at Jillette Stadium a week from tomorrow. You get that win, and you're right this ship that way, you still got a few games, You've still got, you know, the postseason to look forward to here hopefully and put yourself in a position to where you're not thinking about rattling off in eleven game win streak to end the season. That's done with. Now, Okay, you got your wish now a

little bit I did. I'm glad that he said it, So don't you don't have to argue with me, because I know you yell at me if I said it. I didn't think they're going to run the table. I didn't either, But that doesn't mean I was hoping that they wouldn't, you know, for like, and I know you weren't hoping that they would. Don't take that literally. I mean your feeling was they needed to lose a game like for their for their betterment, you know kind of Is that right? Is that accurate? I don't want to

put words yet. I don't want to They need it, Yeah, I need it to lose your I think they needed a bit of a reality check that you that you get. I think they needed a reality check in that it's like, you know what, you know, if we play our game, even if we don't play one hundred percent, we're just gonna play it. You know, that much harder in between coaching and a slid defense, and you know what, sometimes

that games don't go your weight. It is not okay to go out there and play as poorly as you did, for as much as you did, and and and think that you can still win. Because they've had a couple of games where certain aspects, whether it was offensively almost exclusively offensively, they didn't really have it going and they ended up with wins anyway. So now you saw it. You saw it tonight against a team that's that's not fantastic, but it's a good enough football team who's also offense

didn't do much tonight. Carson Wentz certainly didn't do much tonight. There was one guy run out there in um almost got the Patriots back in the game. And that's why even like you know, I'm not really here much for a lot of the positives that we're going to talk about here, because I think there are a lot of a lot of sort of like we're trying to talk ourselves into. I will say this in terms of like

individual play kind of stuff. The last touchdown passed that Mac threw to Hunter Henry might be the best throw that Hunter that Mac Jones made all year. Yeah, that was a phenomenal throw a very tight window. So there were enough. He didn't really anything else a none of those moments at the end. It's all right, not a complete embarrassment. This team is not, you know, complete fools gold. Nope.

They they played poorly. They found some stuff at the end, and they got a good dose of reality shoved in their face tonight, which good teams will learn from and benefit from for the rest of the way. Let's let's get to our good, the bad, and the training room list here. Now it's time for the good. Pretty good, prithee, pretty good. The bad. If you were in my toilet, ball. I wouldn't bother flushing and the training room. You you want a backrup presented by there good, good, the bad

in the training room. It's hard to do so. And Paul Parilla bringing you the very short good list tonight for the Patriots deuce, you want to lead us off, Yeah, I gotta. I gotta lead off with Hunter Henry. I mean two touchdowns six for seventy seven. Um, you know, he was their best player tonight. I had hundred also, absolutely, that's I think it's an easy one. But great players

seeing there, nice nice catching the end zone. Paul mentioned the second one, real nice throw from mackin and you know, I think Henry just watching you have a Okay, that's the first one. That's not the second one. The second one is the one I just thought. Um was was phenomenal on Max part. But I agree with you rifled

it in there. He's become He's been consistent. I mean, he's just he's I mean, obviously the last couple games a little quiet, but coming back on and I mean he continues to have a really solid season here in his first year. Yeah, he had a little bit of a lull, and I'm not talking about last week when the passing game wasn't part of it. But um, you know tonight, I know a lot of people, you guys talked in the pre game about the Colts having some

struggles with tight ends. I don't really think that that was overly evident tonight. I think that the Colts defense dominated this game and gave up a you know, a couple of whole by the way drives at the end when you know, I think they will playing in the time they were playing the score in the time that throw though, Like I don't care what the time of the game is right here, like this is I mean,

that's I mean, that's a special throw. He puts it right on the just as a point of comparison, I thought Carson Wentz had the positive, you know, the chance to do that a couple of times put it on the right side or the left side of a receiver and consistently was putting it on the wrong side and allowing passes to get tipped. And he finally got burned with one of them in the fourth quarter. But I agree with my counter Henry was by far and away

I think the most productive Patriot tonight. YEP. And in terms of that last throbe haul, the one that we're just looking at again here. You know it says it's what we said about Brady so many times. He put it where only his guy was going to be able to catch it. There's only one guy could catch that ball. Henry made the catch there, and it was just when that ball left mac Jones's hands. I'll guarantee you Darius Leonard thought he had another pick. Yeah, without question. All right,

who's your first and maybe only good list? We all have, Henry, So we all have one. I gotta be honest with you. I don't have any individuals from here on it. And I have some things that I saw that I will mention, and I'll start with one of them. Okay, so you go in at halftime, you down seventeen nothing, and then your quarterback throws a pick and they run it back to the twenty yard line. Your defense comes out, stops

and three and out forces a field goal. I thought that was incredible toughness on the part of the defense. I thought that set the tone defensively for the way they played the majority of the second half. The last two drives. I would say, you know, kind of spoiled that a little bit. But I thought that to come out and get a three and out on the twenty yard line, I thought was fantastic toughness by the defense. So I had that on my good list. Yeah, that's good.

I'll put Nick Folk on there. Well, let's just keep him there, you know, on this kind of game, just one for one. Not sure why they had him kicked that one at the end. We'll get to that part. We're gonna get it. Kicked it, he kicked it, and uh he made the program up coming and a couple of chance is there any did what he had to do. Nick Folk on the good list? Yeah, okay, And I might just put d back on there just for the end. For the interception. I thought that was a good play.

I thought he, you know, kind of rally the troops a little bit. I know I'm grasping at straws a little bit with that, but I think he might show up later on a particularly important run late in the game. Well, yeah, I would love to put you know, the secondary, you know, in just in terms of you know, we look at Carson Wentz and his numbers on the night, it's like, wow, maybe you know, the secondary was just all over these

guys in coverage. But even if that were the case, they had a couple of missed opportunities, had interceptions before the ones that they actually had. Well, I think that Carson Wentz had lots of opportunities and open receivers that he missed. Yea, yeah, that's true, And that's what's that's what's mattening. Just like as I'm going through it and looking at the stats, and I think I said it during the game, was like they did to the Patriots what the Patriots usually do, and you look at the

stats and it's the same kind of thing. We're like, wow, Mac, I mean the Carson Wentz five at twelve or fifty seven yards, Like you can easily see yourself. Wow, you can see yourself Damian Harris doing that ceiling run at the end. I mean, it's just the turnovers, the block punt, I mean, all that stuff that always the Patriots do, and we knew coming in these were similar teams. I

think the Colts out Patriots the Patriots, right, all right? Um, any other goods I mean individually, I don't think we're gonna have anywhere there. I mean, I just I wrote down just to rent the red zone defense in general. Um, you know, in the second half, I think they came up with two stops down there. Um. Like I said, I mean, I don't want to gush too much because of the way the game ended and I and to me, it's the last two drives, not just the big run.

The last two possessions for the Colts were very successful drives by the Colts. Um, So that was that was. That's it for me for the good. I don't know what else. You guys have nothing, Okay, that's only got not honey. All see that's a throw right there that jac Jackson almost picks off. We just showed a highlight clip. He has Pittman running to the sideline on an outpattern. He's wide open, but the throw comes way to the inside and it allows Jackson to come to come and

almost pick the pass off. But this should have been an easy completion for Wentz for whatever. And he was dropping down throwing all kinds of side on throws tonight. Um. But I mean that that play you watch and see he's this is NFL open right here, and the throw comes to the wrong side. That throw needs to come to the outside, and he's got the ball down to the five yard line. That's a terrible, terrible throw by

by Carson. What look at how far behind that as mechanics really like I just think he was like Mahomes a little bit tonight with the sidearm stuff for no reason. Um. But anyway, Yeah, all right, let's get onto the bad list. Um wow, I mean I just got just length. You know what you don't had, Mike. You can kick us off if you if you want to start with like

the most obvious one out. I'm gonna go chronologically throughout the game probably, but we want to start us off if you got some Chronosue Isaiah, Isaiah win because I just saw another highlight package going on another monitor here. I mean there were there were multiple missed blocks. There was the one where he missed and then he turned

around and ran into his own back. I mean, it was just it was It would have been comical if it weren't so detrimental to the start that the Patriots had, or a lack of any kind of an offensive start. I thought Isaiah went at a really rough night. Yeah, and individually he would be at one near to the top of my list. Yeah. And and again they found something toward the end of the game, and that includes

the offensive line. They they weren't bringing as much pressure, but let's face it, there were times when the line looked bad early on in the game where they weren't sending the house. They were rushing four and you know, you should be able to hold your own more often than not, and that wasn't the case. So they found a little something towards the end. But I thought Isaiah

went at a particularly bad night. Yeah, I'm gonna hop around here a little bit, but I gotta go with with the block punt the punt team, Um, you know, that's just that's the third third one this year most in the NFL. Ye Jacob Johnson seemed like he was the guy most responsible for that play. Just you know, that was I think the moment you realized what role you know these guys, this is what they do, and

you realized it was going in their direction early. Um, that's when it went from a start to a disaster. Exactly play. And I think just overall, I think the performance of the you know, the punt team has been a little spotty this year to begin with, and I believe I might be wrong, but I think they had another one almost blocked too. Maybe I'm misremembering that, but

just a huge play and special teams. You know, usually Patriots is what you count on, full team effort, winning in all three phases, and that was points on the board the first quarter with the punt team just h he can't let it happen. Yep, Kevin and Burlington agreeing with us on that. Can we finally close the book on this waste of a first round pick. We're not

going that far, he said, I get it. He occasionally run blocks well, but mixed that in with all of his penalty calls and miss blocks and he got to start wondering if he's going to get mac hurt. He tackled well tonight. Fortunately you got Rmandre Stephens can back. He I mean, he was bad. I'm like, listen, this is what we do like one day when we tell you how great they are. Right, he was really bad in this game. I thought he was most responsible for the office It's being out of sync early in the

game because he was constantly allowing pressure. That running play was almost comically missus block so badly. He turned around to try to chase the guy and then ended up knocking Romandre Stevenson over for a loss, Like he was really bad. Yeah, like you can't have that play. And now the offensive line as a whole was really bad. But when was the worst? All right, Paul, what do

you got? Uh? I had just did you say did you already say Jacob Johnson or did you know Mike mentioned the punt block that that was his and Jacob Johnson. The penalties were killers tonight and it was throughout the game. Now, this was one of the rare games that all the penalties were on the Patriots. There were very few, if any,

was there one to two on the Colts. This was like on the first offensive series, I think they got two penalties then they had I mean, just just think about some of the penalties that happened during the course of the game. They get a false start Michael will when you on third and goal from like the two right in the fourth quarter. I think that was the drive they ended up kicking the field goal instead of

going to the touchdown. They had a missed field goal Michael Badgeley offside who was at five yards closer he hits the second one. Uh, just like, really dumb penalties, really dumb stuff. Again, another example as Mike's I love the phrase the cults out Patriot. You know, well, how did you put it? The cults out Patriots? Patriots? Yeah, the Colts did what the Patriots do. They made they

made the other team make mistakes. They didn't do ANYTHINGY just waited for the Patriots to make mistakes, and unfortunately the Patriots made them all night. Yep. I had special teams down there, and that offside on the field goal was just indicative of the entire penalties as a whole were eight for fifty yards and that was and they

were Brandon King jump. That was the Brandon King is the one who went off side when he was the one who was the false start or just a routine play that all teams do, the heavy adjustment of the defensive line on a on a goal, the ghost situation. Defense has nothing to lose down there. If it's off side on the defense, oh, you're moving the ball a half a yard, you know, whereas the offense you go from third and goal from the one to third and

goal from the six. That's a big difference. A couple other to mention Mac delay a game that was one. Well that's what I have and you know, to kind of I guess not to pile on Mac, but I have Mac Jones on the list too. Well. Mac Jones is heavily on the bad list in this game, although he you know, he played well at the end. You know, the penalty thing, you put that under one umbrella, but you also put it in the you know, in the

bullet point under Mac Jones. The delay a game which was on him his even on some of the completions he made early. He was throwing behind guys, um he was he was throwing guys into really dangerous coverage situations, and he's just he wasn't making good decisions. I mean these these these are all throws that ended up being in complete passes. You can see just how many people for the colt. I mean, this is an easy pick. Just dropped this this I can pick me bad in

this game. The second point that he threw tonight was maybe his worst decision of the night. It was just you know what, you saw it happening before he threw the ball. It was one of those split second things. Sure easy for you to say. I'm not talking SloMo after the fact. I'm talking about as he has thrown that ball, I said Oh my god. But that that's that's gonna be undercut. And it was the sprint out to the right, jump pass back to the left that he completes on a third down. I hated, like, I

didn't like it really anything. That last throw again, the last throw to Hunter Henry was maybe his best throw of the season. Other than that, I didn't like anything that he did tonight. And I know there's gonna be a lot of attention. Well he he didn't win it, but he showed you, no, he didn't know, No, he didn't. He was flustered in the first drive of the third quarter when they need He was not good in this game tonight. But I'm not telling you that's a referendum

on the rest of his life. No, but a lot of other people will. This is why I had a bad game tonight. I kind of oddly wanted something like this and felt this is what they needed because for everyone saying that this this team is a Super Bowl contender, watched the offense for the first three quarters of that game, and tell me that was a Super Bowl contending team.

Nofens was great in the fourth quarter, no chance, No, everything felt effort, A lot of effort, everything, and that's why I you know, the Colts, it wasn't necessarily pretty except for a few things, but you could just tell right from the get go that they were playing with more energy. They were fired up, they wanted this game, that the fans are behind them, and you know, it's just one of those things. And I think I think I might have said it about the Patriots against the Browns,

where it's like it just jumps off the screen. You watch, you can see what team came to play today, and today it was the Colts that came to play. And I agree about the offense. It's just as much as even when they're moving the ball, it's like everything is everything. And six for fifteen on third down, one for three on fourth bound, two for four in the red zone. They didn't do anything well offensively tonight until the game

was over. Like let's let's let's let's treat the Patriots like we treat the Patriots opponents right when they do stuff in garbage time, let's call it for what it is, garbage time. Garbage time. Yeah, and and and I'm not saying they can't contend. I'm not saying that, you know this firmly puts them out of it. And it no, of course not because there It's like we were talking about in the pregame, there is no clear cut dominant force in either conference this year or anyone that's saying, well,

all right, now that's the team. So a lot can still happen. But I think it's important for the Patriots to know and to experience firsthand that you can't play like that and expect to be considered and even think of yourselves as being ready to take it to that

next level. Because as poorly as you played, you got beat by a team as quarterback when five of twelve the quarter their quarterback did everything he could to keep you in the game, which is the only reason why you only lost by ten, by the way, right, because if they had any kind of passing game tonight, and the plays were there, I mean, the very first possession of the game, they had Michael Pittman for a long play at the very least like a fifty yard play.

I don't know if it would have been a touchdown. Mccordy was coming over, probably would have knocked him out of bounds, but that's an easy, easy throw these four yards behind. J. C. Jackson who for that play I had initially down. I thought he got beat a couple of times tonight and really didn't pay for it because

Wentz just sucked. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a wake up call for the offense, for the defense, for the coaching staff, for a coaching staff that we often laud as being a Now Bill Belichick is not going to let the one guy beat you. He let the one guy beat you tonight. Yeah, And it's And I'd also just put in that they made a ton of mistakes and that they weren't really ready to go. You know, they were not clearly fired up and ready to counter the energy

that Indianapolis came into. And you know, I agree with you, Mike. I just don't think they brought the same intensity to start the game that Indianapolis did. They eventually got there, but it was too late. Yea, I agree, Mike. I think that's a great point. They didn't. They weren't ready to go. Kyle Dugger was intense when he was ripping helmets off and you know, getting in fights. Like I said, like they got there eventually, but like there was too much of this early in the game. I mean, this

is nothing, nothing, just Jonathan Taylor just carrying bodies. Yeah, like that's I mean, you know we made a lot, well, we made a lot out of Buffalo, Like, oh, you knew they were gonna run it. It couldn't stop it. Well, twenty nine for one seventy yeah, yeah, take take away the sixty seven yard or for the touchdownt the end in still eight for one hundred and when all they were doing was running the ball every play right the fourth ride, So you knew it was coming and you

couldn't stop it. Learn from it. And like I said, the drive before the like, listen, let me. Can I set you up for that? Guy? I'm just gonna say a long touchdown? Those happened just like the Damian Harris went last week. They happened ahead. Well, I was gonna set yet for it, because can I jump in on the field goal? Can I put the field goal on the down list the Patriots field goal? Yeah? If already yet?

But it leads into what Paul was saying, which and I'm not somebody who kills about like the aggressive and the analytics and fourth Town going for it, But I just I don't really understand the decision because you're at the Indianapolis seven, fourth down. If you're down by thirteen points, you need two scores. So if you don't get it, they're taken right over right then at the seven, you still need two scores. You kicked the field goal, you

still need two scores. What is the difference with that three points that maybe you could have gotten on that second possession at the end, you might have kicked the field goal to tie, like go for the touchdown? And I agree with Mike, and I would also add to that, Mike, how do you feel, like, what do you feel better about first and ten from the twenty five getting a three and out or first and ten from the seven and getting it three and out? What do you think

is harder? Yeah? And I don't know how much time goes off when you kick it off either, but you know, like, well none, it would have been a touchback, you know, assuming a touchback. That's why I put the ball in the twenty five. I just I didn't like I didn't like the decision. I didn't hate it, like like Mike says, I'm not sitting here telling you you know that costing it didn't It didn't cost them the game. I just

thought it's set. I think Bill is more than willing oftentimes to allow those situations to unfold in which they have to go absolutely perfectly, Like a sequence of literally fifteen or twenty players have to all go exactly the way the Patriots want them for you to have a chance, And in that situation you needed the three and out. Well, they ended up cranking out two first downs and taking out over five minutes off the clock. Yeah, that was game. But that's why I'm not going to sit here and

tell you like the game was over there. Now it's like, well, sure, if you get an on site kick or if they fumble or something funny happens, you can still win. But it's not gonna happen. Like the twelve carries on the twelve yards on the first carry on that on right drive right twelve and then and then they went fourth. Then then they ran the ball four times on right and the one thing that you can't account for, they go three first downs that drive after the fourth down conversion.

Yeah yeah, wow, the first the first down was a twelve yard carry, then it was then they got the fourth down on that next Okay, so they got two first downs then and then they pick and they punted it, but had you had you gone for instead of taking the field goal? The one thing that you you can't argue because we don't know. It's rewriting history. But how does the other team respond? What do they do differently?

How do they handle the pressure once they know that all of a sudden, this is a one score game and holy crap, yet that's Bill Belichick over there on the sideline. Now listen at twenty to fourteen. The Colts can't just line up and run Jonathan Taylor. They have to try to do something different. Maybe Wentz were thrown another one to you, right, you know, or maybe it becomes harder to stop them because you have to play

that Ronnie in the past and again and again. You don't know, but you don't know you're gonna get it either. I'm just saying I'm using Mike's scenario because I think Mike like put it out there perfectly, like, okay, so let's say you don't get it right, like I think everybody's like, oh, you make it twenty fourteen and then you win. Well, no, because I don't know that you're gonna get fourth and goal from the set. But if you don't get it. I like my chances of four singer,

three and out. Yes, yes, that come up on the seven, you'll get a good field position. I'm down twenty to seven. The other team's got to get a first down starting at their own seven. I like my chances. Yeah. The more time that passed, and even as they gave themselves a shot at it at the end, I think the more all three of us felt it would have been better for them to go for it there instead of

taking it. Yeah. That's the only tweet I put out during the game was I thought it was a curious decision, and I just it's set up no margin for or the rest of the game, and the Patriots made a lot of errors the rest of the game. What are the bads do we want to get too? Before we head over to the training room, which has also got a I just got a couple on a couple of little things. I mean, I think the gunner fumble, I just I really don't trust him much at all with

his ball handling. It scares me. I mean, he got lucky at went out of bounce, but I just again it's like the early tone, not ready, like you know, And that was just don't turn the ball over. This team prais off turnovers. You can't do it. And you know, right off the bat it was like it time to get into keel back there again. You saw I had that shut handedness on that big reception late. So would you like to see more of the keel back? Not really, Okay, I did have that on my list, and I had

Romandre Stevenson's fumble on my list as well. Um, and you know I had sort of snapped back at the We had a caller from Canada earlier. I can't remember. I know we have two that call in regularly and I can't remember which one dust from Ontario. He was very concerned about Stevenson. Listen, I don't think Stevenson was a problem in this game tonight. Um. They couldn't run the ball, and I think the offensive line was terrible, you know, for the most part in this game. But

to the caller's point, he fumbled. He did fumble tonight. They got it back, Jono Smith recovered it, but not good. You can't fumble. Yeah, all right, um, training room, which is brought to you by Thara gunn Uh Yeah, Jawan Bentley was I think that one's significant, and I would say is a big run stopper. I mean that that that one, you can kind of that one. That one hurt how much I'm not sure, but yeah, that was

big one. Nelson Agalore that might be significant too, because he had to leave with a concussion and never came back. And Carl Davis was another one. I'm not sure if he I don't know, I don't know if he came back, and I don't know what his problem was. And then and then the keel on that on that big play at the end where um geez and Dajo was like, he looks, he looks like he was okay though I thought he was trying to make it. I thought he looked like he was trying to get back in the game.

And I, you know, I don't know, I'd like to see that again. I didn't see that the way they kept talking about it. But I was hoping against hope with Aglore that it was like a chest that he just took, you know, a good pop to the there. But I think they did say head and I think there was a moment where it looked like he had kind of gone out a little bit. And I think you said as we were watching the balls. Lucky to maintain possession of that ball because he he had a

strong game. He made a couple of really difficult catches in this game, right, Um Agilo had four for thirty four. You know, nothing flashy there, but um, I did think a couple of those catches worked like just another thing. I didn't think Mac was very good. I thought Mac was getting his receivers hit all night. And that's and that's why, like I almost was thinking about to Kobe,

but you know, he had a couple of drops. But the ball is It's just I do think he had a chance to make a play on that deep ball early. It was a good throw, but it was not an easy catch it and they weren't there weren't great throws. But I think Jacobe ended up with six catches on twelve targets. Yeah, I mean, but look at the yards to like forty four yards for forty four for Born, forty one and forty one for Bold and thirty four

for Agad. There's like no yards, you know, like nothing, I mean, how many third and shorts were they in? I mean it's just you know, everything was That's the thing, Like six or fifteen doesn't sound terrible until you consider they needed like an average of like five yards on third down. All night. Right, all right, thank you to Theora gun. I've been using very much for theat gun. It's been awesome. I've been using my theare gun a

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Celebrating one hundred years of service and support, join the conversation by calling the A Sticket Hotline at eight five five PATS five hundred or email the show at web radio at Patriots dot com. We did some things well, but we didn't do enough. And this time of the year, eight penalties, two turnovers, Um, it's not enough to win football games. Yeah, we made some plays. We moved the ball well, obviously got down early that obviously, you know,

determined some things we can do. But I thought we battled, battled horror. Yeah, just like I said, eight penalties and two turnovers in December is not gonna win a lot of football games. So you know, it's all for the Colts are good defense, good team, but you know, definitely some things we gotta do better. It's a Patriots Center David Andrews post game, and thank you to Microsoft and our partner Microsoft. Windows eleven, the official operating system of

the NFL and the new England Patriots. The all new Windows eleven is here to bring you closer to what you love. Like the Patriots postgame show. Learned about all the awesome new features of Windows eleven at Windows dot com. David Andrews gets a bit of a pass. Get a new baby at home, sleep deprived, so Hunter Henry too. He still cut two touchdowns. So yeah, I don't are you talking about the offensive line to pick on the center too much, you know, unless he's like, you know,

just sounds right. That was that was a joke. That was snark. To be fair, it looked like the problems tonight we're coming from the edges. Yes, that would Yeah, speed Colts, I mean a lot of that toss stuff. They weren't having any of that. It's amazing, Like you don't have to be really big to play defense. Wow, and that wasn't Yeah, but I'm you know, I'm picking on the inside linebackers with the Colts because they're so little.

I'm looking looking at Amazon. They're strong. They were attacking Stevenson. Darius learn is a really good player, Like he's been a really good player since he's coming into the league. See that's so things like guys like that where you spent all week talking about I'm pumping him up and then he does what you've been talking about the whole week.

Those are the guys that are real good. And the difference between tonight in the seventh game winning streak because Darius Leonard gets hurt on the first play of the game but came back on the third play of the game. Three weeks ago, he would have been out for the game right week. Let's go to the phones eight five five Pats five hundred. Will you begin with Spi and Fresno on the Patriots postgame show. Hello, Paul, I agree, it's definitely a regression to the early season clause they had.

But um, but hardy um. I know you're you're a Lions fan, and so do you. Playing in the league is basically the same as losing. But this they needed to lose to take is totally useless. Um. I know you know, if if they won tonight, it wouldn't even matter to people like you who have already given the Chiefs abode of the Super Bowl. But I don't share your loser's mentality. I think it would have. Actually, I would have preferred that they won. It's not good, rob okay, right,

sounds like you're having an argument with yourself. But absolutely that's a super Bowl contending team you saw there to night. They're just like the Chiefs. They're just as good. I've told you. I told you in the pregame show. Listen to Patriots Unfiltered. They'll tell you what the teams are around the league. The Chiefs suck, right, they beat the Raiders twice, the Chargers that the Packers without Rogers, Cowboys

without Cooper. They suck. What do you want me to say if you thought you were watching a team worthy of talking about being in the Super Bowl through the first three quarters of that game tonight. I'd love to hear from it. And uh and and I do believe that there is some value in getting humbled at this point as opposed to say next week against Buffalo or maybe your first playoff game. No, so I want to learn some lessons earlier, as opposed too late. I want

to apologize because it's it's Microsoft right sponsors. The quote that we just had from David Andrews, Yeah, you know, I play, So we missed the we missed the money quote. Question what happened on the block on Belichick quote? We didn't block the guy quote? There you go. Bill also said we didn't do anything well enough to win, didn't play well, didn't coach well. Yeah, I caught that. He also opened it up with talking about extending sympathies to

Ryan Kelly and his family. I'm still not sure what exactly happened. It's a personal situation. I don't know what it is, and I hadn't seen. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know what that situation was, but obviously it's significant. Ye Walter in Ukraine, Hello, gentlemingredients from Ukraine. Tough loss, nice comeback, hearty over time, you've changed my mind. When you first started doing the show, I hated you, but I must admit you've grown up. I mean, I find

myself agreeing with you more. But today was the topper. I didn't wish for the Pads to lose like you, but agreed that they were due for it. Maybe even needed a humility and intensity check or a reality check. Intensity, I think is the word that someone else here used. After all, this was Indies self proclaimed yeah, biggest game. I no, no, I didn't want to put words in your mouth if I didn't know if it was Paul or Mike um uh self proclaimed biggest game in ten years.

And obviously the Pats were not ready for the immediate intensity, speed and the carnival atmosphere at the starts was the biggest game in what and it cost them? Uh Indie self proclaimed biggest game in ten years? Okay, yes, um. I did see some very encouraging signs of fire and fight back in the second half for both Mac and the offense and our defense. But I hopefully they use it as a wake up calling, a motivator for the level of play they need to rise to to end

the season and to start the playoffs. Did the Patriots beat the Colts in like the AFC Championship game and like fourteen? Yeah, but the Colts knew they were going to lose that one wasn't wasn't a big game. Um, that's Walter and Ukraine. Thank you, Walter. No, I'm making fun of the Colts, not Walter. Let me let me because he said the Colts self proclaimed right, like the culture, like the cults are not like sorry, Hardy the Lions. The Colts have been in the playoffs. They were in

the playoffs last year. Notice I'm not getting personal back. I don't feel there's any need for it. This is about the team. This is and I don't think there's any I don't take any joy from this tonight. But I'm trying to look ahead. I'm just trying to set myself up for the distinct possibility. And I thought it a probability that they were going to drop one of these games on the way in. So let's do it.

Now we are. We all decided, if they're going to split between A Year and Buffalo, which one would you rather lose. I'd rather lose none, but yes, okay, if I had to lose one, Tonight's the one I would have chose, okay, because now you can't lose. That's right now, and it's it's it's basically the England verse Buffalo for the ACU who if you lose next week, there is a I would say ninety five plus percent chance you do not win the division. Correct the the Bill. Listen,

the Bills are seven and six right now. I'm not penciling and wins for the Bills, just like I'm not penciling him and for the Patriots. But the Bills have at home the Panthers, the Falcons and the Jets. They should not lose any of those three games. Therefore, if they win next week, they're going to be the AFC East champs because if they tie for the division, the Bills have the division tiebreaker based on AFC East record.

But now they've lost, they're mad. They're going to refocus on the Bills and smash them, right, I would like to think so, So we have a good pregame show for you next week, all right, joya Christmas. That'll do it for this Patriots postgame show. No, we can't, we can't. How it works close another hour plus? Okay? In that case, well, happily we have some some some calls to get us through. Yes, uh, we do have time for you, John and Norwell, so

they're welcome into the Patriots post game show. It's presented by Cyber Reason. John. All right, John, John, callback if you want to, we'll go to Brady in Iowa instead. Hearts post game. You're welcome. Hi Brady, what's going on? Hey, fellas, thanks for having me. Um. I just want to talk a little bit about the field goal decision. Um, So,

just thinking about the situation of the game. There was nine minutes left to give or take a you know, few secs bout him though, but we had three time outs, our defense was heating up, you know, we were starting to come alive a little bit. I didn't totally mind it, obviously, if we don't get them, you know, if we don't have the false start, we're obviously going for it there. But you know, thinking about it, it's a little bit harder.

We kicked the field goal all of a sudden. We make it a situation where there's you know, there's nine minutes left. You know, if we if we if we make a defensive stop, which we didn't, we can make that you know, we can go down the field, we can kick a field goal, we can score a touchdown rather than have to punch it amends of a couple of times secure certain thoughts there. Well, I'm sure that's what Bill was thinking, and he just said he did what he thought was best for the team, which is

the predictable answer to that question. Um, but I think Mike, really, I think he painted the picture properly. I think it changed the mentality for the Colts. I thought I thought it made the Colts job of running out the clock much easier knowing that they had nine minutes in a two score game. Yeah, rather than the possibility either way. If you don't get it, it's a two score game. If you kick a field goal, it's a two score game.

The only way you could have changed I think the game pressure is by going forward and fourth down and succeeding. I don't think there was a I don't think there was a huge difference between being down ten and being down right. I don't still you're still going for the win, you know, I mean, you get a touchdown there, you're you're you're a touchdown away from twenty one twenty. I just I'm not one to get into these decisions and

get too fired up. But this one, I just I feel like it's a trade off between basically settling for we still need two of possessions and now we're basically paying for the tie if we can get a field goal, whereas if another one. Okay, and maybe you know, this is the difference between like two two and a half minutes. The Colts went for a fourth thousand inches on their own side of the field with a twenty to ten lead. Do they do that if it's twenty to fourteen. It's

a good point. Maybe maybe he would have. Maybe he would have. I mean, I'll give Frank right credit tonight. He went for it like I think three times. That's yeah, that was almost some more juice behind it. Yeah you do, you don't know. It changes the tone completely. So yeah, And that's how it's one other thing too. I wanted to mention Paul, that's that's circling this because we've been talking about some of the early season mistakes and things

that pop back up. I think some of the lack of clutch on the defense, you know, I think they assume it's a great point. It's another piece of that early kind of struggle that you know, they they did give the team a little bit of an opportunity to the red zone stops and stuff like that, but you know, when you really need did that stop at the end of the five minute drive. It was a big It was the first stepping up and really, you know, so in the in the in the seven game, what's count tonight?

So it's I'm just gonna say, the seven game winning streak is now eight games. They lost tonight, obviously, but so when that eight game stretched, this is the first time that they were losing by two scores. It's the first time that they were losing at all since Week ten. They were only trailing in the seven game win streak

three times. They were trailing in the fourth quarter in la they were trailing in the second quarter in Carolina, and they gave up an opening touchdown to Cleveland in week ten and then scored the next forty five points, Which is a long way of saying what Mike said, this is the first time they've had any pressure on them in a game since those first six games. And in the first six games, four out of six times you didn't hold up to the pressure of the game. Tonight.

You made it five out of seven times, do you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like maybe you want to say, I'll give you the Chargers as a game, pressure game that they held up to because that was a you know, that was a close game. Even after you get the pick six, you had to get off the field, and they did and then they got a nice drive. They

had to make it a ten point game. But that was reminiscent of say, the Saints game where they had a chance, or the Miami game where they had a chance to get off the field even though you were playing, like especially against the Saints, I thought they played reasonably good defensively in that game. Mack killed him that day with the three picks, but the two picks especially. They had a pick six and another pick that was run back inside the ten, so they really the defense was

putting a lot of bad spots that day. But after all of that, they get within a score. They were down eight in the fourth quarter. They just needed to stop, and the Saints went right down the field and scored. And that was reminiscent to me of the last ten minutes of this game. They needed to stop and the Colts had two possessions and they couldn't stop him, like they took five minutes off the clock on one. And

there's the Jonathan Taylor run that that Ice did. Yeah, I haven't gotten a good look at this one yet. Watch mccordy, watch high Tower missus the tackle and mccordy is way out of position. Oh whoops now and then a little bit yeah, and he ran away from you. It's a good point, Hardy, which you wouldn't expect. Jackson's pretty fast. Um, I'm gonna give him Accordy a little bit of a pass because you got eleven. It's it's it's all eleven, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's

not he's not playing traditional safety there. He's just he's coming up oh hell bent for leather on that place. So I'll give him a little bit of a pass. But listen, I said it, said it at the time, and I said it at the beginning of the show. There's not that much difference between what Jonathan Taylor did tonight to what the Patriots did to Buffalo two weeks And I saw somebody tweeted out a comparison which was kind of striking really about you know, Wentz had five passes.

I wish I could find the tweet, but it was perfectly kind of lined up. I mean, it was essentially the same, the same games. I hear it is Patriots beat Bills throwing three passes and running for two twenty two, Colts beat Patriots completing five and running for two twenty six. Kind kind of crazy. Yep, that's exactly now. I would say that it's a little different because the Patriots had

to play conventional defense for the most part. What I'm comparing to Buffalo is the fourth quarter when it was apparent those last two drives that Wentz wasn't going to throw it again. They're just gonna run it and you couldn't stop them. I don't follow Bill Simmons on Twitter, so I don't know if this is something he regularly does.

I've seen a quote tweeted a lot tonight, though, his tweet from forty eight minutes ago tough Pats lost too many mistakes and Wentz was just too much and people are losing their minds in the replies, and Jimmy, Jimmy didn't watched the game without telling me, you didn't watch the game? You serious can? I obvious troll job but I don't is this something I got believe that anybody? Oh, I don't know if it's something he does, but I

mean it's pretty obvious that that's well they're broadcasting. There are now two hundred and eighty seven people who feel differently, but they're all like making fun of him as opposed to laughing with him. Um once was nothing but a game manager in this game. That's from Laurie. Um went through for fifty seven yards. Did you even watch the game? Yes, it's it's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. All right, let's go to Cole in Hawaii on the Patriots postgame show. Hello Cole, Hey,

it's up guy. What's going on? All right? So I was so I was going to talk about that fourth down um in the end? Yeah, when um right after

the Michael Um. Yeah, yeah, we start so as you guys were talking about if they had gone for it and gotten that that touchdown, right, UM, I feel like they would have had a much higher chance of getting that touchdown, especially with I mean, if you go back and look at all the touchdowns that Hunter Henry's hat, they've all been you know, seven yards, eight yards, six yards, like all right in that range, and it seems like like even there's two other touchdowns, they were eight yards right.

Or do you think if they had gone for it they would have gone to um like Hunter Henry or where they were right? Like, what do you think they would have done had they choose chosen to go for it? Go to Hunter Huns was what was working. I just I would have liked to try it, because even if you don't get it, there's two scores down, they're going to take the ball right over again, right where you are, and you get a chance to stop them deep in

their own town. I'm with you, Cole. I would have gone for it, and you know, certainly Hunter Henry would have made sense. Yep. Honestly, I was sitting here like yelling at my at my tablet, like, go for it, go for it, go for it. Try that next time. Maybe it'll work. I don't know, you don't know. Until it did. I wish it did. Yell louder next time. Uh. Brandon in Atlanta on the Patriots Falls Game Show. Hello Brandon, Hey,

what's up? Um? Uh? Sorry? Um? Yeah, I'm just really uh, you know, like I say, every time we lose, I appreciate Shaw because I really need these to get me through these losses. Um, the almost comeback kind of makes me feel better, but I mean still, it's it's it's unfortunate. But um, I really think I wanted to touch on

a few things. So I really think that we we dodged two bullets by m Dereck Henry and Nick Chubb not playing because I think this would have been the same result with them that we just had with Jonathan Taylor, and that might be a big picture takeaway from this game. That's a really good point. Yeah, and uh, I'm worried about the Buffalo game just because on paper and obviously you play on the field, the Buffalo has a better team, Like like Hardy said, they are for the most part.

You know, if you if you know football and you're looking just on paper, Yeah, they're a better team. And we don't really have home field advantage because we've lost a lot of games at home this year. So I'm just worried about that. But I'll stress out over that over the week. I'm not I'm not gonna focus on that tonight. Yeah you know what, Okay, I'll go ahead and finish Brandon, because you said something interesting too about home field, But go ahead, right. I have a theory.

Maybe it's a conspiracy theory. Call me crazy. I think the Chargers lost that game on purpose to the Chiefs because we beat them badly last year, we beat them this year, and I think they did it at as like that's my story. Wow, all right, Brandon, thanks for the call. Uh yeah, there's a differentult call. There's a different here's Brandon Staley isn't advanced analytics, so I don't. Yeah, the percentages said that they have a better chance of going to the wind as in a three six matchup.

That's what he did. Yeah, uh, not kicking any field. It's not even gonna bring a kicker. There's a difference between having a true home field advantage and not having in a home field disadvantage. Okay, so the Patriots may not have a true home field advantage like other teams do or to the same extent, especially when you based on their home record this year. But all things being equal, yes,

they'd rather be at home. But they played well on the road tonight, you know, tonight as the outlier in terms of how they've handled themselves, and and it was really it was kind of startling to see Matt get I think put off by the it's the first time I've seen him rattled. Yeah, rat he I thought he was visibly rattled tonight he was. He kept fighting visible I'm not taking that away from eating quit visibly rattled.

And then on the sideline after after that first pick and again after he was he was kind of in shock. And you know, it's listen to go six and one on the road, I don't care who you play. That's

really impressive. It's not easy to win games in the NFL, and it's certainly not easy to win them on the road, and they went six and one, so far, right, But can we also say, like if they had the home schedule that they've had on the road, that they would have like five lots, you know what I mean, Like they would have lost all those games on the road, like they would have lost to the Buccaneers. Sometimes it

just comes down to who you play and wear. Yeah, Like, does anybody think that when they lost to Tampa and Dallas that if those games were on the road that would have been the difference they would have won them. No, Like, so to suggest like to see it, well, they haven't played well like they haven't played well at home, so I don't know how much that matters. And I'm not

picked like that. I know that that's not what Brandon was saying, like I'm but I have heard a little of this um this like sort of mentality like how Porton is the bye? How important really is it because they haven't played well at home. Well, when you're playing in the playoffs, you're gonna be playing against the team that's good because they're all good. All the playoff teams

are in the AFC are going to be good. You might see this team again, right, so obviously you'd rather play at home, absolutely, Like I don't want to go back to Indy. I don't want to go to Kansas City or two, I don't want to go to LA. Like, you lose next week, you're probably going to go somewhere in the first round. Like that's how quick it can change. You went from having a bye in the first round to being on the road in the first round if

you lose next week. Yeah, kind of interesting. Matt Jones at the podium now saying, didn't have a great, great week of practice. The energy was kind of low. I hate how we played. Can I tell you how much that this is a comment that I get after almost every loss. We didn't practice well this week? Please like I hate it. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. Tell me that beforehand. I don't know what

struggled that practices. But going back to you know, when they were the top seed in the AFC and the best record in the AFC, and that, did that feel more authentic than this feels now where it's a team that's kind of on the bubble and you're you're in a fight for the division and a fight for seating in the AFC. Or did it feel more authentic when the Patriots were the number one seed in the conference,

which which I mean it was more realistic? I mean, I mean probably then, just because you had certain things that you certainly believed about that team, like with Tom Brady and who no, no, no, no, I'm talking this season, this season, this season, say so, say it again? Then so a couple of weeks ago Pats are the number one seed in the af No, did what feels more authentic? This? This fee is what they are and this and that's why you know not to I mean, unfortunately I picked

the score tonight. I mean I thought they were gonna lose. Um, not not necessarily, because you know what, that's a bad job by us, Paul, not a problem. It's Deuce correctly predicted the outcome down to the score. I haven't written down here, might go back like, listen, it doesn't happen, It doesn't happen. No, I didn't didn't feel good. I didn't feel good, and I got on Twitter. But everybody know,

everybody knows that you didn't want them Blue. I didn't think that this, you know, I just like you said, I have a lot of respect for who they are and the kind of team they become. But I didn't think that they were the number one seed gonna run the table and run everybody like. They are a team that's still figuring themselves out a little bit to some extent,

even as much as they have figured themselves out. And I just don't see how you can look at the wind streak and who they played and how those games unfolded and not see, Hey, if a team does this to them and they get the takeaways, it could easily flip flop on you. And that's what I think happened tonight. I don't know how they're going to bounce back against the Bills next week. I know that now their backs are kind of against the wall again. Maybe this is

a familiar feeling to them. Hopefully it spurs a much better effort uh in the game, and you know, you can see it coming back home. They've been away for a while. It feels like they haven't played here and forever. So Sanders says, this is feels like the worst Patriots game I've watched since the Kansas City game in twoy fourteen, which I don't I would know the Detroit the Detroit loss. Yeah, that was that was Dallas in Week six. See I I think I think Kansas City was was worse because

there was never any hope. You had, you know, Brady out of that game much earlier than any other game I remember seeing them in. I mean, it was done, that game was over, That game was finished at I just watched the the latest UM episode of The Man in the Arena and that was the that's the twenty fourteen one and that's that. That game gets obviously a good amount of attention, that Kansas City game, and it was it was everybody as bad as you remember. They

couldn't stop the Jamal Charles. I think Jamal Charles just running all over the It is funny though I used to I used to say, like, even when they get dominated, they never really get blown out, and that was that was a rare time that they got blown and that was one of those rare times. But I feel like tonight, tonight was one of those dominated but they found a

way to not get blown out. They found a way to stay in the game even though, like I said, and there's gonna be a lot of this this week, people will be making fun like they never got the ball down a score, so they never had a chance to win the game, right, Like, they never got the ball with a chance to tie or take the lead, right right. That was after that Kansas City game that was the start of the Brady and Decline era. On over on your station there, Paul, that's perfect for that chair.

Though that's exactly Addison and Fresno. So I was wrong. Well, this lass may not technically end a season, it definitely feels like the Patriots lost any shot at going to the super Bowl, which I foolishly allowed myself to believe they could do in the first place. I understand in comparison the beginning of the seasons expectations. But I'd also like to apologize to Eric that was mean but correct.

I must have met having called in just a few times in this nerve wracking given props from being able to go on the air, um Addison, this is where I feel like I'm actually more positive. Where I say no, I kind of show a contrarian. I know I borderline wanted this for the team, but at the very least I'm accepting of a loss at this point in the season because I'd rather have it now. Rather have it now now, I'm all in. I'm pushing all the chips

in on Buffalo a week from them. I just think if you and I know that what your point is, and you're right, you know, if you're looking at it realistically, you're watching this team week in week out, and you're like, they're playing really well and they're finding a way to win all these games. But they really don't look like a super Bowl team to me, which is okay, Like I don't think anybody thought in August this was a super Bowl team. So it's not like, oh man, that's

a disaster. They're not a super Bowl team. So you look at it that way and you say, oh, Okay, it's not the end of the world. But then you look at it from the other perspective, you're like, well, why not them? Like it's a year that clearly doesn't have that team that has that super Bowl look, Because I would agree with some of the naysayers on Kansas City, they have not looked super Bowl caliber. We all know they're capable of a higher level, and that's in the back.

I think that's in the back of all of our minds. But if you could just find a way to continue winning and get that first round by you say to yourself, why not I only have to win one game to get the AAC Championship. I'm at home for two wins and I can get to the super Bowl. And I think that's what's disappointing, because you had a chance to get there. Now, this is not a fluke loss tonight. This was a team that they played that was pretty good on the other side. By the way, don't don't

let yourself think that the Colts did everything. The Colts couldn't throw the ball. The Colts made plenty of mistakes in this game. The Patriots just made a lot more. I think if Carson Wentz was anywhere near as good in this game as he's been for the other games, the other thirteen games, the Patriots could have had the mic blowout that he's talking about it. He could not throw the ball where he wanted to throw it tonight, and that's and that allowed the Patriots to stay in

the game. Patt and agawam up next down the Patriots postgame show, presented by Cyber Reason. What's going on, Patty? He what's going on? Is are you feeling you? Okay? Yeah? I mean crap. Um. I'll tell you what um to me. I'll tell you when the game, when the game was lost,

and I'll get to something else too. But to meet, the game was lost when they were driving down fourteen to nothing and Mac throws the pick because who knows how the game plays out after that, But if it plays out the way it did, you have a chance to win the game. You know, instead of being a score behind. It was seventeen to nothing when that happened. But I agree with you. I thought that was an enormous play late and a half to not get points

on that drive. You know, no one you're getting the ball to start the second half, if you score there seventeen seven, even if it's seventeen three, but seventeen seven, you got the ball coming out second half changes the complexion. That was a big, big red zone pick. I agree with you, Patty. And next week is I'm regardless of what the final score is, if they come out the way they came out this week, well they're gonna get beat. Oh bad oh. That's I think that goes without saying.

I mean, Josh Allen, you saw what he can do in crunch time. If he smells blood in the water early and there is you know, sloppy football going on on the opposite side of the ball there, he's going to take advantage of that a lot. I think they have more ways to take advantage of that than the Colts did tonight. The Colts had one way really to

take advantage of it, and that's all they needed. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be a different weather game, but it's gonna be You're actually going to see maybe a team that can throw and in the conditions, and you know what does that bring? I mean, is this a whole other can of worms that we're about to open against. Buffalo, or is this under control and this will help them get in order. But you know, it's not like they can walk into

the Buffalo game. We really got to stop the run again. It's it's not really what the game plan is going to call for. Stefan and Germany says u surprised to see a Belichick coach team coming out of a bye week play terribly sloppy football for three quarters. Well, you heard him say they had a bad week of practice. Can I just I have a very minor nitpick that. It's it's sort of annoying me how much credit the Patriots are getting for how well they played in the

fourth quarter. They didn't like their defense wasn't good in the fourth Their defense was excellent in the third quarter, but it wasn't great in the fourth quarter. And they had an enormous penalty, a sloppy, big penalty in the fourth quarter that went from third and goal from the two to third and goal from the seven, which ultimately, when that play fails forces you to not forces you, but led to you kicking a field goal instead of

trying to get within one score with a touchdown. Like those plays happened in the fourth quarter, those are the same plays that happened in the first three quarters. I agree. I agree they did not play well in the fourth quarter. They gamely continued to fight till the end. Yes, that I will say one. And they made a couple of plays, Paul, And it's like we were talking about earlier. Deuce brought up how the offense looked like it was just such

a struggle to get anything going. They had a couple of plays that didn't look like it was such a chore to pick up yards in the fourth quarter. And that's I mean, when you're watching it and you've got a certain feeling about the way a team is moving the ball. They moved the ball a couple of times. It wasn't effortless, but it wasn't It wasn't the I the grind that it was for the other parts earlier

in the game. And I think that's why people the forty three yard bomb to Harry everything else is exactly what the Colts wanted you to do. They wanted you to go fifteen five, you know, ten fifteen yards at the time run clock. We're gonna We're gonna have Taylor run clock on our side. And you don't have enough time to catch us. That's what the Colts wanted. The one play they made was the deep ball to Harry and that allowed them to get it. I think it

was forty three yards right. Obviously the Colts didn't want this this play to happen, and and give you know, give Harry in Mac credit for making a play there when they had to. But like I said, they never got the ball down to score. They never put any pressure on the Colts. Yeah, they scored seventeen points in the fourth quarter. That's a little deceiving because the first seven happened on the very first play of the quarter.

That drive started in the third quarter. Um just not good all around, um, Caesar says before the backbreaking touchdown run. Jonathan Taylor had twenty eight carries for one hundred and one yards, averaging three point six per carry. You dominated the game though, on paper, and he says, on paper that looks good for the pads D. However, watching the game, I felt like he was running all over the pads D. It was what are your thoughts, because again you're talking

about averages. It's not like he got three point six every time. Yeah, they stuffed him a couple of times, but he had had a couple of tackles for losses, like he had like one hundred and ten yards and then went back to one hundred and thirty. Right. It was it was the plays where he would hit the line, pick up his two or three, and then fall down for four more yards. It was those plays. Wou'd you think you were mondre Stevenson in Buffalo. I mean he

was good. I think he had some some very positive runs at the end. There were some others that but I mean they ran it a ton, so I think it would like sun, yeah it's gonna or something like that. He was good, He was excellent. He controlled He controlled the third quarter when they were running the ball into the wind that I mean the average three yards to carry. Yeah, but he was controlling the game. And that's what Jonathan

Taylor did tonight. Zach and Freiberg once to know if there's going to be any other supplemental discipline for Dugger after his ejection from the game. I thought that whole play was was odd. I thought, I frankly, I wonder if Kyle van Noy will have anything coming to him, because I thought he started the whole thing looked like he had a role in that that was not picked up by the officials. And I thought this was odd to to to throw guys out of the game for this. Um.

I didn't think either one of them deserved to be ejected. UM. And I really thought the Patriots were fortunate to get offsetting penalties here. Um. But you know whatever I mean, for for all that we uh, you know, get on the officials and rightly so a lot of the time in a situation like this, and you know, it goes to New York and they're looking at it. You know, they're they're trying to keep the game moving a little bit.

They don't want to stop it for an undue amount of time and dissect something that is not a football play. That's something that look at that like by van Noy, that just completely went untaught. Like no one even mentioned it, yeah except for everybody on Twitter. But um, like he pushed him right into like Dougger, I don't think was trying to do that with his helmet, like because Vannoy pushed him into him, his head went down. And that's when like, like right here is just like a regular

okay personal files each side. Now, like van Noy just buries him and then um Dugger ends up ripping his helmet off. I was very surprised that Pittman got the same penalty that Dugger did, as you know, I thought there was too Yeah, I thought there was more. I mean, listen that the Colts got the calls tonight, Like I'm not suggesting that they got not saying that there was good battle. Look at that, like that's a great shot of it right there, Like the push by Van Noy

starts this whole look at that like that's unbelievable. Left him in with the left and that's like right in the back, like like at least been like Dugger is is squared up with the guy they like Pittman and dun They know what they're doing. You see hit Pittman's head, Yes, go back from the whip last I should have getting pushed by Van back and to the left. CJ in Baltimore Patriots postgame presented by Cyber Reason. Hello CJ, Hey,

how are you all doing? And this was a kind of a tough loss for me, Like I like, just a I do thank you for having the show because it allows me to like process everything that's too um one thing I wanted just a few things. The one's a question about future shows. Um, is there anything that they can do to just better the running game? Because that was just depressing. Yeah, I was a little surprised that they didn't they didn't have a little bit more success.

I mean, overall things were just disjointed. But I mean, I do think is as much as like individually. I don't know if if you know, Damian Harris is like the answer, but I think together they're a good group and it gives you a chance to try different things. They didn't really have a, you know, as someone else to go to. It was kind of Stevenson or bust, and I think once they got away from it, they got down quick and then it was all right, it's

a different game now. It's not really a Stevenson game. It's a Bolden game. It's a throwing game. So I think the way the game unfolded had had part to do it, and that's the big part of it. All week I was talking about if the Patriots were to shut down Jonathan Taylor in this game, it will be because the Patriots get a big lead and they won't be able to run Jonathan Taylor twenty plus times. Well that's I mean, let's listen. Give the Colts credit. They

shut down Stevenson early. But how many times have we seen that the Patriots maybe don't jump out of the gates, you know, ripping off big runs, but you know, they stick with it and they eventually start grinding away and by the third and fourth quarter, those you know, those two yard runs become seven yard runs. Well, they couldn't do that tonight because they would down three scores and you can't just keep running Stevenson, you know, Donald, you know, down all of that. Yeah at the time, So I

think that was a big part of it. But give give Indianapolis credit. That's what their game plan was, same game plan as everybody else. They succeeded. Yeah, And I do think I gotta say I give I give Indianapolis credit because you know, I always give the Patriots credit when they're able to, you know, pull out these wins and by playing together and not beating themselves and making the little plays here and there, And that's exactly what the Colts did. Good good highlight clips right here too.

That the peeps in the truck are you I'm gonna call it the truck even though it's just the other room. And when they kept trying to run wide, I thought that that was sort of an error because I think that the strength of the Colts defense is the speed, not necessarily the power. I thought they funneled things to the outside really well. Tonight. I thought they did a good job in pursuit and uh, yeah, I've listened. I'll

say it again, giving Indiapolis credit. They said they needed to to shut down the run and put the game in the rookie quarterbacks, and mission accomplished. There's another wide run, right sure, House you block a punt for that sound? No, No, that was huge. I'm talking about the Colts defense, not the Colts office. Yeah, it wasn't just like we can't run, we can't run. Um see, Joan Bentley just tweeted more

glory to the man above. You know, I know that we make a lot of those things and sometimes you could, like after the Buffalo game, I think Adrian Phillips I always do that, and he did. He did it tonight. I'm sorry tonight. Yeah, so that's uh, you don't want to read too much in it. I don't know. Um, go to Charlotte, North Carolina, talk with Craig on the post game Show. Hi Craig, Hey, how's it going you guys? Oh yeah, all right? Great. Hey, Um, I've been listening

to your predictions all year. Don't beat yourself up. You might forgetting like it. I mean, it's like it's it's lucky, but it's kind of funny. Um, it was a tough, tough game. Um, I had a kind of a question for you. Um, the um pop had a lot of opportunities. UM, I'm so sorry, I'm breaking up. That's sorry, Craig, call back, get a better line, and um, yeah, well we'll be here. We're not going anywhere, all right, We'll go to George and Illinois. George, go ahead. Thanks for joining us on

the post game Show presented by Cyber Reason. What's up, George? Hey, I know you guys talked about the penalties and the times where we've shot ourselves in the flood for this game. But how concerned do you guys that those self inflicted wounds will will also kill us next week against Buffalo? I mean that's I hope not. I mean, I mean, look, you've been good lately. Yeah, it'll it'll be it'll absolutely kill you. It'll kill you against any team or most

any teams. But those kinds of penalties, the false starts, the pre snap stuff that can't happen. That that's something to where you know, when when it comes down to coaching, it's something that we just take for granted and have taken for granted so often and for so many years in New England that it's uh, it's something that you yeah, you don't spend any time worrying about, like ball security

things like that. Okay, that's that is either you know, a personnel decisions, who's going to get the ball, who has more tendency to fumble things like that. But you know, the penalties, the self inflicted stuff, that's something you just you jump offside and a field goal, right, you have a false start on third and goal from the two. It reminds me of to kill Harry being back there. It's like, do you really have to coach a guy

not to chase after you know, a punt. It's like, do you really have to coach up a team whatever you do, don't jump offside here? And we had to tell Kastanza that it wasn't okay, you know, you know, is that wrong? Like I have to I have to have like coaching points like Jono Smith. It's it's like second and one from the eight. I'm gonna you know not. You probably don't want to have a false start here. Yeah, that's I mean stuff like that. George, Yes, it'll be.

It will be catastrophic against Buffalo next week. Do I think they have to spend a lot of time working on it this week? Boy? I hope not. I hope it's something that just kind of goes without saying. They look at the film, they address it once and say, guys, do I even have to say it? Thank you? Let's move on. You're just you're not You're not talented enough to overcome that many mistakes, Like you have to play your game, and you know, that's this is what people

have been talking about with Kansas City. Like Kansas City has been doing this stuff this whole time, and they keep winning. And that's why people think there's another gear that the Chiefs might have, Like one of these weeks, they're not going to turn it over twice. They're not going to commit for holding penalties to short circuit drives, you know, and then what I mean, they they generally find a way to score it you know, twenty five

or thirty points every game. What's going to happen? When they stopped shooting themselves in the foot, which they even against the Chargers, they did it again with two more turnovers. Email here from Scott was Gunner really the best option to throw the ball too on that fourth down to end the game? I get that Henry was out, and I believe Aglore was too, But Gunnar Olschevski over right, not to Hunter or Myers. Gunner. Yeah, it's it's over when it's over, though, I mean it was over, okay.

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Let's talk to Robin in Florida, Robin on the Patriots postgame Show presented by cyber Reason. Hi, Robin, Any guys, you know my opinion, woll thing. Just let macimack. I mean, he won a national championship. What have you done Bill in the last couple of years? Nothing? Let Maximac? Right? How so this? Let macbimack? Well? How so? What did you want to do? What did you want? Why the baby? Why the baby? What was the baby? What was the baby championship? Okay, I heard, I know that Mac won

the national championship. Bill has won six Super Bowls, so we don't have to compare resumes because they don't compare what what did he do to not let MacB mac? Okay, can you give us an example tonight of the babying takes off? Okay, what is the what? What diaper is on? We lose? We lose? What can you give me an example tonight? Just one example of the diaper being on? Because the quarterback cost you the game early he was off. Yeah, okay, all right, here we go. Okay, thank you, Robin mac cook.

Let's quarterback was awful at the start of this gaming. He was as big a reason as any as to why you were behind. See how you play with you're being forced to wear a diaper? Here? He won a national championship, Paul, they should let Mac be Mac. We're comparing resumes between Mac Jones and Bill Belichick. How many national championships has Bill Belichick won in the last like because billion he doesn't want to. If he wanted to, he could. Yeah, yess pro. They gotta take the handcuffs off.

Let him go out there and be the gun slinger. See if he see even get two more receivers killed in the next game. That was a nice interception, though. You gotta give the close guy credit me. Oh my god, what a grab now, I mean he he jumps the route, but you saw it unfolding. I saw it unfolding. His ass happening. He made a great catch, but that there's no way that ball was being complete. Six passes and nineteen runs. Diapers, Evan and Denver? What's going on? Evan? Hey? Fellas, Hey, hey?

So all three phases of the game looked completely in that tonight. Offense, defense, special teams, they all looked completely horrible. And I just want to know how you come on. I know the Cults were in the same boat, but how do you come off? By week it looks so inept in all three phases against the Colts. Yeah, it's just flat too. I mean, it's just the I mean, they talked a lot about the practice week, and like I get annoyed with that, only because they always tell

us actively. They always tell us when they win, you know, what a great week of practice was, and when it loose, when they lose, after, you know, we find out how bad it was. That it's just an annoying thing, but it's probably accurate, Like they probably didn't practice as well as they have been. I don't know why that is, but you mean it's it's it's hard to figure these things out, you know. I mean, it's a game played

by humans. They played much more, uh like they did in the first six weeks than they have the last seven. They played tonight. All right, Evan, thanks for the call. I appreciate it. It's a tough one because he's right. Evan's right. They were not good on any of the phases, like even you know you're looking at defensively, you know,

the the numbers defensively are going to be solid. Two hundred and seventy five yards really only twenty points the point, you know, and and your your apol I was thinking about that as the game is unfolding before that last touchdown. Really it's really only seventeen points because they gave him a field goal without even giving up a first down, right, you know, and you know the field position and all that. Okay, all right, not a not a ton on the defense.

You still allow the one guy on the Colts offense to beat you, and he's that he's the only guy, and he did and two for ten on third downs. He's a good guy, which is good numbers. But then you add in the three for three on fourth down. It's like five for ten on third down. Yeah, the fourth down, but I mean how the fourth downwards all

like what yard less? They were all inches? But that's my point, like, so, yeah, you stopped him inches short of the first down on those third downs, you know, close enough that I believe, well at least two of them, I think all three of them were from the cold side of the field. Can we can we mention to the uh the passes up the scene continue to be from trouble area for for mac Jones, that's that's just we talked about it this week and it started in

training camp. It was just balls in danger throwing up the scene the couple tonight. I just you know, I haven't really I can't really remember the last time I saw him actually hit a scene pass. You know. It's just they're always Harry, hold your breath, A bunch of guys are holding them and you know, and then the other the interception to the outside too, that was, I mean, not up the scene. But how about this fourth down that that was showing the quick sprint out? Was that

play had no chance? No, I'm not sure what was going on there. Uh. Eldred in North Carolina. Our friend Eldred, what's going on? My my? Like I was killing so late, I got well, confound coach Jersey for a week now for a week. That sucks? Is it at least that Jonathan Taylor Jersey I have the worst part is that he doesn't even play there anymore. Isn't a Bronco yelled at me. Yeah, but he gotta. But he's a fake Manning.

But but I'm with you, deuced. You know, I'm surprised that we got this far and play for the first three but then O the Super Bowl team to me because of the offense and rookie quarterback. And like they said in in the the preview of the ESPN, Michael Irvin and Steven Smith, they said, we're gonna see it. If they could put Mac team on the should win the game. He did in the first three quarter, but

he showed him something in the fourth quarter. But like Stephen Smith said, when you get behind like this, and because they play that same game playing against us, we don't have that go to guy, that go to wide receiver. That's a not to fift eighty twenty, he said. Because our receivers they like puppy, they get golt uh when when you really need them, if you've got to come from buying, you never win a shootout. You never win win And I've been saying that for about a week now,

more than weeks, you know. But then again, like I said, we uh, I hope we uh we beat Buffalo. But I'm just just thinking obviously a little lot more hip even though Matt he's a rookie with kid by Guy kicked in, but he's a promising rookie. And I hope nobody even like like I said, this, don't scar him the wrong way, but give him, give him convert is

going forward. Yeah, and Eldred's it's a good point because you know, we talked about that earlier on in the season when the when the Pats faced the Jets and Zach Wilson throws four picks, and you know, we talked about how that can really scar a quarterback. I don't think Mac is going to be happy, and he didn't look happy on the sideline tonight. I don't know that this game is enough to scar him and damage him. Though it was a bad game. Oh, I think he's

pretty tough, Yeah, yeah, I think I don't. He's shown a lot of resilience. I I don't worry about that. That is just started like the show, like that's a given to me, the Patriots toughness, and I put Mac Jones in that category. He showed me enough that he's he puts bad plays behind him and moves on. He didn't play well tonight. Now he didn't play even as well as his numbers would show that he played. Yeah, but I don't worry about him bouncing back because he's

mentally scarred from his bad night to night. Yeah, And I'm with you on all that, Paul, And I just I think that this was a good night for Mac just to learn and to go into this kind of environment and see how things can go, you know, when they don't go perfect and you're all of a sudden fighting it and your mistakes compounding. I mean, I think it was a little bit of a taste for him seeing I mean, he has fought even when they've been

down before. But I just think overall taking content ass beating in Indie, it's all right if you believe in Mac Jones as the quarterback for the foreseeable future. This is the kind of game that he's going to learn a lot from and take forward Cassie and Philly Wright saying, Hey, guys, been listening to a Peu and the post game show for a while. Tonight it was my first time listening to the pregame social looks like someone got there Christmas wish.

I get that getting a loss before the playoffs might help them in the long run, but this game was painful to watch. I agree, that was painful. I guess better the Colts than the Bills. That said, love the show. I hope you have a great Christmas, Cassie in Philly. That's nice. Yeah, I really felt like the Oh seven team could have used the loss like that. That's a team that like, I think that would have been nice

for them, like to lose one of those games. In retrospect, now you find out, like for some candid comments from players after the fact, of how much pressure they felt. Yeah, certainly they could have used to lost that. But right, we'll see, hopefully, hopefully this relocks them in on I just I wouldn't have been I did not expect them to be as unprepared, for lack of a better word, as they were. Tonight we have Alex in Chicago. Alex on the Patriots post game presented by Cyber Reason. Hello Alex,

what's up, guys? Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah, yeah, it's a tremendous line. So I have a few quick takeaways and then I'll take it off the air, and if you guys have anything to say about any of them, I definitely to hear your guys's opinions. Number One, our linebacking corps looks like dinosaurs out there. I mean, I'm really tired of this experiment of mixing these young guys

and old guys. I think they've played well at times, but I'm okay to just tear things down as the studs and just build a younger defense because tonight had really showed. Number two again I called in things before. You have seven eight players on this team that only play special teams and special teams stuck again. I don't want to see us waste ross response on these special teams players unless we play perfect on that side of

the ball. I think that's ridiculous. And number three, the last one, MAC has played at a plateau all year. I don't think he's played bad. I don't think he's played good, but it is starting to worry me. That we're not seeing another gear. I feel like we're seeing the same mac again and again and again, and I just want to see him safe at the next step. And I want to know if maybe you guys think we had taken some kind of step forward or if

he's just sort of at the same level. So all three three good points to touch on their Alex Deuce, you want to start with the linebacker backers? Three real

good points. I'm yeah, I'll start with the linebackers. I think it's a great question, you know, And when they're winning and it's all going well, everybody's really happy about how smart they are and how tough they are, and they can beat up the bills, and then you know, getting like this happens where you can't really stop the best running back in the league and they look slow and they miss tackles, and so I don't know what the answer is. I mean, I wish I could tell you.

I mean, and I'm telling you this is somebody who's been like, you know, passionately following the Patriots defense for like fourteen years now and waiting for the speed a linebacker and these things to you know, take a new level, and you know, when they brought van noyback. I was surprised. It just felt like, Hey, are we going to ouch and this time and we bring Collins back, and well,

I'll win a bitch or Ronnie Perkins? Are these guys if we're gonna So these are all the kind of things going through my head as we as we talked about this here at quarter one in the morning. But it's a great question for this offseason. Jamie Collins, Kyle Vin or sorry high Tower, they're up the quarts up. I think they've got decisions to make, But I don't think any of these other guys that they drafted are really ready to step into any of those roles. So

that's where I land on it. Mike is I'm not sure that the young guys. I mean, they've been banged up, you know. Ooch Now this is two years in a row. He's been banged up a little bit, and I know he's ready to come back and practicing and all that. Yeah, I mean, I think there's I think Van Noy has actually been better over the last over the last few

last few months, you know. So listen, it's tough after a night where you give up two hunder yards rushing to say, I don't think the linebackers are a problem. I do think they miss Bentley tonight. He went out early, and I think that I think that was a problem. I think missing him put Collins out there more probably than you want to have him out Vannoy more in the middle in a run oriented game you probably don't want is much Collins. I thought Collins competed well though,

um he was involved in the interception. He got his hand on the pass, almost had another interception. Man, you know there is there is the almost pick, and I thought he was involved in, you know, a big tackle for a lot. I don't think the linebackers have been a disaster. Do I think that they need to get younger? Yeah, yeah, but I just don't think that's going to happen. And even if they bring high Tower and mccordy and everybody back next year, they they've got a couple more years.

It's like these guys are in their mid thirties, like it's it's gonna come. I'd like him later. Now, what was the second one? Special teams? Which has been There's been something that people have been harping on for years, and it's a valid point. If you are going to set aside money and have guys that are just there to play special teams. Uh, perfect is a lot to ask for, but it can't be what we saw tonight. Well I'll say this, and I say this every time

I've asked this question. I don't know the roster makeup of every team, and I don't know how many guys that play special teams for the other teams are strictly special teamers. If you're telling me the Patriots have more than other teams, then I would say their special teams should be significantly better than other teams. But I don't

know that that's that's the case. Okay, Um, In terms of Mac and that was the third point, I think he articulated that's a perfect point about a very good questions. I'm not worried about it in the least, but I think that he's been sort of Yeah. I think that's a positive that Yeah, And I wouldn't even say a plateau. I'd say it's been a season of ebbs and flows, and you know, the the high points. Yeah, he had a high point against the Jets. I think he had

another one against against Cleveland. Yeah, I think those are those are probably the two high points. Um, but the Jets one. I know, you only play who you play, but you know, do you put that as as high as you would against performances against some other teams. That's that's a that's I don't but I don't take it away from him either. Don't take it away from I think he's been pretty consistent, and I think that's really

good for a rookie quarterback. Rookie quarterbacks are usually wildly inconsistent. He hasn't been there. I agree with his the way he put it though, like I'm not concerned about the plateau, but I do think he's sort of been Like I'm not expecting to see a huge jump this year. I am not because this next time of the season where rookies tend to fall off, regardless of position they this is longer than he is. I mean duration wise, all right, Yes, they play into the new year, but it's with a

three week break. You know, this is you know, this is more games than he's ever been accustomed to playing. And if anything, you actually see a drop off in a lot of rookies the way they're playing in their first year, just because this season is so much different with the number of games the schedule is different. So keep it in mind though that I feel the same way as Paul does do so I don't know about you.

I'm not worried about mac Jones at all, but I also don't I don't think you should be waiting for a great leap forward to still be happening this year. Yeah, I agree with that, and I think the delay a game today probably kind of an example one of those like rookie moments where just you know, losing track of

the time of it all. But I do. I mean, I think we've talked a lot on the on PU just about you know, Max Ceiling and how do you judge him compared to other usual rookie quarterbacks on The point I made this week was that usually you got somebody like Justin Fields who has all the physical ability in the world. He just needs to catch up mentally to the game. And that's usually where you're at with

the rookie quarterback. Max a little bit different. He came in, he has a grasp of the offense, He kind of knows what he's doing, and you know, you're wondering, all right, well, what is year two of somebody who understands it look like, what does it look like when they start really understanding it even more? And you know, add in obviously an NFL strength program and all the things that he'll get

to do this offseason. So I but I'm not gonna lie like I definitely, you know, have have some concerns about just, you know, how how good he really can be. I think he does a number of things on a very plus level or than you know, you might have expected. But h you know, I think here at the end, if they're gonna make the playoffs, if they're gonna make some noise, he's he's gonna have to. I don't know if just kind of keeping your hands at ten and

two is going to get it done. Yeah. Uh. Kirk and Delaware says, I'm not upset with the decision to kick the field goal. I think it's a matter of how Bill views mistake prone games. He just can't trust players to stop making mistakes in key situations, and he decided to play it safe. I think if they don't commit that penalty, they absolutely go for it on fourth. Yeah, I mean from the two yard line. From the two

yard line, probably run it twice. But there is something to this where it's like, you know, we talk about Bill kind of seeing how things are playing out and going with the field of the game. I wouldn't put it past Bill to say, you know what, these guys can't get out of their own way tonight. What am I gonna And it's why am I going to allow them to go for it from that much further out when they're just going to screw it up. It's a good point. It's a good and what's the emailer kirk Kirk.

It is a good point. And I think of just as a compat us in said that Tampa Bay, the Tampa Bay game. The end of the game, Patriots are trailing by two, fourth and three from I don't know, the forty yard line ish, maybe maybe the thirty eight because it's a fifty six yard field goal, right, Yeah. And I think Bill mentioned and I think I'm not gonna quote and you know, I'm paraphrasing the you know, the summation of what he said. I think they were

three for thirteen that night on third down. You know, our offense wasn't you know, we weren't picking up their downs, weren't we weren't converting our offense wasn't converting, and I think that sort of illustrates what Kirk's point is, when things are going in a certain way, maybe you don't have as much confidence that it's going to just stop on this magical play. Like we haven't been doing it all night, we haven't been converting all night, but this

is the play we're going to convert. And I think that's why Bill decided to kick the field goal that night. It's because he didn't feel like the offense was playing all that well that night he was eight, and then tonight, I think that, you know, desperate times call for desperate measures. You had a chance to get within a score and you passed it up. I think that's would have been changing my philosophy. But Kirk may be right as to why.

In other words, if it was you know, let's say it was it was thirty eight to twenty eight instead of you know, twenty to ten with that field goal, maybe Build thinks differently. You know, you know, we're moving the ball, we're scoring, we're gonna shoot out. It's our turn. You know we're gonna get this. Yeah. Sorry. Kirk also says no, I'm also glad the Patriots had some adversity before the postseason. I agree with already would prefer the

struggle early versus late. Yeah, I mean, all things being equal, they were just playing if they were playing great football and things were clicking on in all three phases, and you're just picking up wins. Great if you're winning games like they have here recently, not in spite of Mac or in spite of the offense, but really without a lot of offensive contributions. No, I feel a reality check

is in order, right. It's like a couple of weeks ago, I made a comment that, like, you know, how many of the wins would they have had with Brian Hoyer playing quarterback? And I got, really, I got a lot of pushback for that, like, maybe the number isn't nine, Maybe it's not. Maybe there's a couple of wins that

Mac got that someone else wouldn't have. But I think for the most part, most of the wins have been we're going to run the ball, we're going to avoid mistakes, we're gonna kick field goals, and we're gonna play defense. Hasn't that been what most of the wins have been? Yeah, The Brian Hoyer company immediately brings up you know, his handling in the red zone against Kansas City. Oh, by the way, when he found out he was playing twenty

four hours before the game. I look, I know, but in the toughest venue in the league at the time. It's just it's what people automatically think of, so they are reluctant to And I'm huge Brian Hoyer, Like I think Brian Hoyer is an average at best backup. But the way the games have unfolded, I think if you had just, you know, relatively mistake free quarterback play, you've had a chance to win a lot of the games. All Right, we have three calls and two emails all

to get to here in the next ten minutes. We're gonna start with Ben and Maryland. Ben, go ahead, you're on the Patriots postgame show. Hi, thank you, um so man oh man phoot. Twitter tonight was kind of crazy. Um some people was saying like the file Belichick and all this crazy stuff. That pissed me off. But my question is, what do you guys think about, Like the

play calling, especially in the red zone. Lots of foot downs within like the ten yard line, and we had to kick seal course, so yeah, yeah, d zone I thought the Colts defense dominated the game. I thought they dominated in the red zone. I thought they dominated out of the red zone and everywhere in between. How about this email Mark and Nova Scotia. How did the how in the hell did the Patriots get bullied so much? Both lines? Deuce called this early on man handled and

lost the game. They were getting blown back on every play. Just disgusting, especially the old line. Yeah, well, I mean I got a lot of respect for for the Colts offensive line, so I, you know, not not as surprised, but yeah, it's it's it's just the speed, the aggressiveness with which it's just I mean, you're we're watching the highlights that the Colts are flying around at ninety miles an hour, and you know, the Patriots sometimes looked like

they're stuck in mud. It's just it was something right out of the gate. You could tell the energy that they brought to the game, and you know, it's just it's not what you've seen out of the Patriots when they've been on and ready to go. Odd is in Boston. Thank you for joining us Patriots postgame show. Hello Odd, Hey, guys are done good. I kind a couple of things just to start with. I guess, just, um, when's the last time you guys can remember a game? Uh this loppy?

I guess just in terms of like I was thinking, I guess maybe the Houston game. But I guess it's hard because we won that game. But just no, good, here's good. I think week six was filled with games like that. I mean, the first six weeks were filled with weeks like this, lots of penalties, turnovers. It is the third blocked punch of the season, So the first two happened in the first six weeks. Yeah, I mean,

I think it's been a while. It's you know that that was the key to the seven game winning streak. They cleaned that stuff up and didn't beat themselves tonight they beat themselves. Yeah. And then I also was wondering, like on the broadcast, if you guys could see Mac like he did. He look just like wrong to you guys, Like he looked like he was like stick, like he got his booster shot yesterday, or well then maybe he did. It's affecting some people more than others, like that he looked,

he looked in shock. He looked in shock. After after the picks, they were all over him, he was under fire, he was throwing picks. Yeah, welcome to the NFL. Greg is in Rhode Island. Hello, Greg, thanks for joining us Patriots post game show. What's up? Hey? Great? Hey, how's it going y'all? Just real quick, I'm sorry, Paul. I listened to the Patriots and filter, and I heard a lot of the like we're gonna blow out the Poles. I wrote it in earlier, and I thought we were

going to actually get blown out by the Cults. I thought it was gonna be like thirty one ten something like that. I didn't get so far off. I thought they were a decent team. I guess. I'm just curious if you guys thought our game plan going into the game was just a little bit too conservative or too run centric. I'm just curious because because they're a good team. They're a decent team. I actually like, I think they're very similar to come to the Patriots, but very much so.

We're probably probably better players individual players at every positional group. They've got probably better individual players than every positional group trying to do the same thing the Patriots too. And I think that was smart to get your thoughts on that. I agree. I think they merited images. I think Mike and I were talking about that all week. But just I just want to push back a little bit on

the conservative start to the game. Like they ran the ball on first down in the first play of the game. Then it was pass pass pass pass, pass penalty penalty. So now you got a pass. Now you had a run. Here's a call that I hated. Second and nineteen run. Hated it, okay, and then and then mac is because they were they were like in midfield, weren't they. It was second and nineteen from the Patriots forty three. Yeah, and they ran, but they came out throwing right, moved

the ball. They well they for the first few plays they didn't really move the ball, but they came out throwing it. They got a first down, and then they

committed penalties like that kills you. But I'm just saying, like they ran for four yards on first down, then it's a pass or four yards, and then a pass for ten yards first down, and then a pass attempt that Mack ends up scrambling for another first down, right, so that's another and then they pass again and commit a penalty, and now you're in long yard and situations.

So the penalties and sloppy play early on just absolutely yes, absolutely, actually feel like it's weird because later in the game we had a lot of success throwing the ball a little bit more aggressively. Maybe that was just we were benefiting from the cold is changing their defenses, yes, philosophy. Yes, they stopped blitzing, they sat back in a soft, soft shell. Yeah. Yeah, all of that came in the fourth quarter when they were down twenty to nothing. Right, hey, Greg, thanks what

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Here's Hardy. It seems like a long time ago, the uh, the the arguments about the wind in the Buffalo game with it. I just love taking the tiniest little things and making them like like Deuce hates Brady, which isn't true at all though. I just love making them like a huge thing out of him. And then Fred made the mistake of all time this week by accidentally muttering these words together. I don't think Matt Jones is that good like just happened. It was relation. It was in

relation to Brady. Oh yeah, but nope, I'm never gonna get it. Soundclip by Matt Morrel right right, which which I ordered? I ordered the code red. Yeah, I would like to I would like to commission some audio production correct uh high of which did I get a fuck it? H No? I thought there was. I thought there was a good back and forth at the beginning of the show. I actually had it in mind as I was talking and trying to go to your head and he's trying

to go a little bit into it. But and then James Stewart alerted me that it was going to be a best of for the week anyway, and I said, Okay, I don't think Max that good. Wow wow, And that's that sounds totally out of context too. It's the greatest thing ever, right it said, But it sounds genuine. It doesn't sound out a context. I don't think Max that good, Wow, excellent, drop, well done all around, big the big boss Man. It's like it's not like it was something like it's it's

not like he's the next Brady. I don't think he's that good. I think that's what he said. I go, I go, whoa, woa, whoa whoa. You heard it? Yeah, Fred doesn't think mac Jones is that good. The inflection is right, everything about it is right. Yeah. Uh, Tim and New Hampshire. Any long term implications from what you saw during this loss, there's a good final question for the post game. Personally, this makes me worry for the

run defense. So we allowed a team to beat us with less than fifteen pass attempt and we went in attempting to stop the runt. Listening to this season, look forward to becoming a long time listener. Thanks Tim ROSSI h long term that's a good says a worry. It's it's more of a concern than certainly going in at I mean, yes, but but I also think this is

who I thought this Patriots team was. I think that they are one of the B level contenders in the AFC, and granted they're just about all B level contenders at this point, but you know, they have they have some flaws, they have issues, and the games need to go a certain way and they need to They certainly need to clean up the ball security and the penalties, and that's you know, going back to the beginning of the season, we knew that they clean that up, they can beat anybody.

If they don't, they can lose to anybody. All right, any other final thoughts on the game here tonight, Paul, Paul just one of those stinkers that they didn't do anything really well in the game, and they happened. It happened at a bad time. But um, you get a chance to write the ship with a huge game, huge, huge game. I don't think you can get enough hype that you know, for the Buffalo game, assuming Buffalo takes care of this tomorrow against Carolina, that that game next Sunday,

the day after Christmas, will be enormous. And I mean not to jinx it, but I hope that we have fans and we're all there and it's goes off. Oh pish shaw, this will all magically go. Yeah. Uh, do not despair the Patriots. I don't think reasonably, I was expecting them to run the table and rattle off eleven straight wins. If a loss was coming, good, Have it happened tonight. Get your head right, get your bodies right, get the attitude and the game plan right for Buffalo

a week from tomorrow here at Gillette Stadium. Everything's gonna be okay, okay, East Chance, Let's go. It has been written, let it be written, Let it be done. Final score for the final time Patriots seventeen. Oh we finally read it the right way. Oh wait, Indianapolis Colts twenty seven. That's for you, Paul. Thank you for listening and watching. Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, please rate

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