Patriots Postgame Show 12/1: Takeaways from Thursday Night Loss to Bills

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Pop Pop Yang Yah. The Bills, I want to say, gave up a page pot it's a pop pop bang tonight, but I really didn't. It was it was one of those games where the Bills just kind of had to show up, and the Patriots kind of took care of the rest for them. Twenty four ten, the final from Jillette Stadium. Tonight, the Patriots lose at home to the Bills in a very unceremonious fashion. We're here, We're here for the past game show. It's a tremendous open by you. Yeah,

oh okay, all right on the state. Uh, it's it's Hardy, it's Mike Diso and it's Paul Perillo here taking your calls eight five five, Pats five hundred. We've already got them loaded up. Your own be taking your emails to web radio at Patriots dot com. But your initial thoughts, duce,

go ahead, lead us off. Yeah, you know, I thought the defense a little ugly in the start, but I thought they you know, opened the door and held the door open for a little bit there the second quarter, third quarter, gave the offense, you know, at least an opportunity to maybe get a score, to change the complexion of the game, maybe put a little pressure on the Bills.

They weren't able to do that. Um, you know, I just I think that this game, it's it's kind of a perfect example of what the season has been you know, I think the defense is is Okay. I don't think that they're terrible. I think that they're solid. I don't think they're one of the best defenses in the league, but I think that they are a good defense. I just think the offense is I don't know the word to choose right now. It's a non starter this season, and it has been since the start. You got out

there tonight, you had absolutely nothing. You know, you have one big play from Marcus Jones and some garbage time yards about as bad as it's been all season long for the offense, and you know, this is probably going to be what we're going to be talking about here for the next six months. Okay, So I'm not going to get into a lot of this right now, but you know, I I question even your willingness to give

the defense much credit tonight. I don't think they were horrific, but there were some key moments in that game where things could have at least stayed available to you in terms of staying in this game and possibly making it close, and the defense that they let you down too, not to the extent the offense did. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you guys are both right. Yeah, absolutely, I totally agree with you guys. Yeah, I mean they gave them. I don't think I was talking to Mike as we

were walking down. I don't think the defense played as well as only allowing twenty four points will indicate. But the bottom line is they only allowed twenty four points. And I think, Mike, you had hang on something. What was your what was your your kind of double entoudra dirty key to the game, hold on and finish well. They did the hold on part. Yeah, and it wasn't always pretty, But you're right. I don't think the d

and the hardy You're right too. I don't think the defense was great, but they did enough to give them a sniff of a chance. In the offense was just non existent. Part of those part of the Bills only scoring twenty four points comes in the fact that they really let it fly a couple of times. There was I think it was the last possession in the first half where they was it was the last position the Bills had in the first half where they just kind of let a couple fly that could have been both picks.

Like at that point they kind of knew that they had a game in a hand. I think that they I think that they they were looking for daggers and they thought even if it gets bl yeah, well and they got a dagger and got a call back, you know, on the holding call on Tommy Sweeney. Um. But you know, like you guys are saying, yeah, I'm just looking at the stats. Now. You know nine for fifteen Buffalo was on third down. And you know what that allows you to do. It allows you to hold the ball for

thirty eight oh eight. I thought it was gonna be so not only the Patriots offense couldn't do anything, it never had the ball. I thought it was gonna be worse than that. That's the first thing I looked at too. It seemed like the Bills weren't able to convert on all but three third downs tonight. I can't I can't believe there was six third downs. It was like a third and twenty that they had a holding call. And

then I mean it was it was ones day. That's why I don't think the defense necessarily it was when you know, you get a very questionable offensive pass inference on digs in the first drive leads to a failed third can I just like, we don't have to talk about the defense being good, like I didn't mean to

make that point. I feel like this is going off the rails of like we're gonna get an argument about the defense, Like no, I know, I don't want to talk totally the opposite we talked, you know what, I feel like we make it the way now of a sudden, it's like, oh, everyone thinks the defense played great. I'm not trying to say that at all. And I don't think we'll get I don't think we'll get a ton

of calls about that. But the bottom line is they only allowed twenty four points and they weren't the reason you lost. No, the bottom line, the reason you lost is often the bottom line is we have an hour and a half two hours to fill and if I want to create an argument with Dues and somehow invent the fact that he's you know, supporting the defense, I will do that as it means to fill the party. Party.

There's your peak behind the curt. We've known each other for a good ten years now, going you know, when we met at NBC Sports Boston doing our chin wags on the late night show. Right, when have I ever been anti argument? But but you're right now I don't want to paint dues in that picture I used to. We're gonna be time arguing about stuff that like that. I mean, let's get in on the offense and just

crush them, because that's what deserves to happen. Right now, I want to get it started here, Okay, out, Paul, you're just any any more initial thoughts before we come with you? Guys, I think you both made great points to open. All right, let's let's get a roll in here. Now it's time for the good, pretty good, prithee, prithee, pretty good, the bad, and the injured. Ah ah, you are right, guy, Good, the bad, the injured. Broad to you about the good players, the bad players, any injured players.

This is going to be a mercifully short segment tonight because to fight each other over these guns, well, I mean, there'll be a handful of goods. There'll be so many bads I don't even know that we have to like mention them and then you know, we'll kind of get on with the rest of the show. So Paul, you want to lead us off. There's a gain. We got a couple of good takes. That one though, just kidd um, Okay, don't leave you. I'll leave you the one I'll go.

Here's my good tonight, josh Ucha was as noticed and impactful in a game as I've seen him. Um. Yes, he was taking advantage of a backup, but that like little DeMarcus ware under move where he sort of ducks underneath and gets the edge causes a strip sack. At the end of the first half, Patriots were on life support. It's seventeen seven. The Bills are in your territory. They're

at least getting a field goal there. And not only he prevents them from getting a field goal with the strip sack, but he set up an opportunity for the Patriots to get within a touchdown with a field goal there aren't. Unfortunately it didn't come to fruition. But josh u j I thought was active at other points in the game too. I thought he was given Uh was it Daniel Quessenberry. It's one of the Questenberries. Yeah, it's not Paul Questenberry, David, it's not not Dan Quissinberry either. Um,

but I thought he was good tonight. So I had him on the good list. Okay, so he was active, Go ahead, you take him, you take him come, no, no, you take take take the guy and talk him up because he deserves it. No, Marcus Jones, Um, you know, it's just that was a great play and that's it. But I mean, I think I tell you what it was. It was dynamic. It was it was it was the one dynamic playing offense that the Patriots gave you ten and it's been such a dearth of those this year.

You just I mean, they haven't happened. And you know, to to pull away here as you're seeing Poyer. I mean, I didn't know if he was going to get the corner on him. But um, you know, of all the things that have you know, not really happened this year, failed to develop this year, Marcus Jones is one that that continues to come on. He you know, got some

early time on defense. Didn't really seem like he stayed out there on defense, which I thought was maybe a little bit strange to you know, have him out there initially, and then it seemed like Jack Jones picked up more of the snaps as it went. But you know, the guy's making plays in all three phases. Now, Um, maybe that's a little overstated on defense, but um, you know, really you talk about not many. That's funny. He's made plays on offense, he's made play on special teams. He's

a cornerback, hasn't got much of a chance yet. Well, and that's kind of what's troubling to me, Dues, is it's not that this guy they've identified, this diamond and the rough, this planet player who has to play in all three phases. They just put him in on offense because they don't have anything else now. And so he did play some offense in college. Yeah, yeah, that's it's not completely foreign to him. But I'm what if they had a good offense, he wouldn't be playing offense. That's

what I'm saying. It's not that he's so good. We got to find out a way, No, we just gotta find something. But isn't it just crazy that that's like the only play that he's even been in and like he actually makes a play and meanwhile, we just it's like trying to get water out of a rock with a lot of these other guys. It was just fun to watch, and he did a leading receiver tonight two for fifty one in a touchdown. I know, well yeah,

I mean, well go ahead out home. Well, the my one good I got one, laughed, I got one last. Romandre Stevenson. Yeah that's I mean, that's all I got. I mean ten carries for which for fifty four yards. He had the longest sixteen, But he did. He was he was technically your leading receiver with uh six receptions for a total of a total of twenty four yards. And they're showing his fumble here like, you know, like

and I'm not even putting him on there because I didn't. Yeah, I didn't have him on like I just think without him grinding out yards again, like, you would have had even less than what you got. I mean, you got basically just Marcus Jones and Remandre as it was. I you know, I don't even know where they would have been with Remandre not even a superstar outstanding game. I mean, yeah,

I didn't have him on the good list. And not looking to get again to you a point, I'm not looking to get into an argument to what I'm saying he was bad because he wasn't bad. I just think that early in the game when they're trying to play conventional offense, he wasn't his fault. I'm not blaming him, but he was he was completely shut down, and you know you should the fumble could have been a huge play.

He was very fortunate there. Um. The sixteen yard run came on third and eighteen, like that's even like, hey, great neat. You know, he gave us five extra yards to punt. Um. You know, again, it's not his fault. He's working behind the patchwork offensive line. He didn't have any room to run. Little yards he got tonight. He got on his own, So I'm not telling you he was bad, but you know, six catches for twenty four yards. He didn't really make anybody miss like he normally does. Tough,

just a tough, tough night for offense. Yep Um, is there anything else you want to put on the good list at all? Don't feel like you have to. But you know before, the only other thing I wrote down was an individual play where it's seventeen seven. You you know, you had to score his third quarter going and you punt on fourth down and you down it at the six yard line. It's good execution by your punt unit, you know, good punt by Polardi, and I think it

was Schooler that got down there and got it. Unfortunately, the game ended about eight minutes later, nine minutes later when the Bills went ninety four yards. But that was a good play. I'll tell you what. By the punt unit, there were some There were some nice puns tonight. Yeah, that were that were I like the party. It's fine, okay, Um, we could do bads all night, but we won't. Let's just single out a few things that really really stick out that deserve special mention. Paul, is there is there

one you want to lead us all? I just thought in a game that you had to be really effective offensively. You start off and I thought you were really sloppy with your ball security. Yes, third down and less third down in less than a yard. It looked like Mac Jones and Remandri Stevenson weren't on the same page. That the mesh point wasn't right. They looked like they were too far away. They fumble um and they were fortunate

to get it back. I would love to know what happened on that, you know, and then the first drive and you're thinking, is that is that? Mac? Is is it? Remandre is like? What happened? What happened? I don't know whose fault it was, but I'm just sucking ball security in general. And then the play before Marcus Jones's touchdown was the Stevenson swing pass that he fumbles. Yes, and Agalore. I mean that ends up being a huge play because I think they got more yards on the fumbled than

they did on the actual play. It's close, So you know that that was a big play. I just thought, And in a game where you needed to be special at offensive, will you come out and fumble the ball twice in the first quarter? Right? Right? Bad? Right? I mean it was on my bad list. It's them, it's them. This year. I was trying to say, is it cold? Is it is it something that's just that's just what it is, whether it was warm. I mean, this is sloppy right out of the gate. Big game, Hey, huge game.

Gotta win divisional rivals. They kicked your ass last year. You got fumble the snap on the first If you can't do a lot on offense, if you if you are limited in what you can actually um do and you're shrinking the playbook or you're just gonna have a limited number of things that you can do. Whatever you do, you have to do clean. And that is the furthest thing from clean. Get a good look, you can see how far apart they were, Like Stevenson was too wide.

I think, well, Mac didn't open up enough, Like what what day OTAs? Do you think that is handoff? Right? And that's the stuff when just work. Yeah, it just didn't look like Mac was it. If I'm watching this play without knowing anything, I'm saying Mac isn't in the right. But I think you're right at it. Footwork seemed all off on that play. But it doesn't seem like Stevenson is really looking for the ball, does it? Like I mean, it seems like he's kind of going a block, like

I don't know. It could have been a run pass option and I guess he's Well, I'll tell you what, Mike, Now that you're looking at him, you're saying Stevenson wasn't really looking for I wonder if this is supposed to be a play action fast right, it looks half hearted. I don't know. I think it was supposed to be a handoff. But we'll never know. But you know, again, it's just do if somebody else, maybe we will know.

Maybe they'll find out in the in the locker room. Yeah, well, and somebody will probably ask Bill and I'm sure Bill Will will tell us exactly what I'm supposed to happen on that plot to watch the film. Yeah, um yeah, what do you guys got pretty quick? I'm just gonna throw Jude On on there. I mean, it's just you know, look, this is what's happening again here we are. I hate to one QB hit. I mean, and I'm sure he's getting plenty of attention, and we'll break the film down

and all that stuff, but it's just not enough. You know, you're not a bar more in there. The pass rush is going quiet again. I mean, I hate to single out Jude On because I think, you know, you probably might put more blame on, say Dietrich Wise on the other side, or you know, somebody who wasn't picking up the slack that we're getting the one on one matchups. But between Wyse Daniel Laquale, um, you know, ch did pick up a couple of sacks, but just Joote on

the pass rush, they couldn't get to Josh Allen. They just cannot get there, no matter who's playing left tackle. It's the same thing we talked about. We got a semicircle around Josh Allen and we're pushing our guy, watching him. He's going through his reads and then he finds somebody open. And I mean, it happened again a handful of times. Tonight, boss man Fred Kirsch joining us with some very aggressive

eyewear I had. I had to come into sguise yeah with me, because you were looking for something special tonight. Yeah you got it, Yeah you did. Are the crickets coming in later, buddy or is it just you buddy? The crickets? Are they going to be joining you? Also? Oh? Buddy, Holly, I get that. I didn't get that reference. I did. I don't listen that's from your era, I know, but I don't listen to the Hardy Music Show. That's from

about the Hardy Music Show. There's no angst there. Oh um, hey, you caught us right in the middle of the bad list. I go, and I'm just listening. You know, what do you got, Hardy? I mean, just defensively, I'm gonna say, you know, you can say it's chewed on, you can say it's um. Whatever plan they had didn't work, whether they were treating Alan as a passer first and not looking to contain whatever plan they had, it was evident

early on that it wasn't working. You looked at that time of possession at the end of the game, and when I first took note of it, it was at the end of the fourth quarter when I believe the time was thirty one forty three versus thirteen forty six. I said, it was way out of whack until that last drive to nowhere, way out of whack to the point where defensively you needed to dial up something different much earlier on in this game. Now I don't know what it was, but to the point you made kind

of from the beginning, Paul. The Bills scored twenty four points. What they did mostly was hold on to the football and stay on the field. So you know, we make a lot of noise about the offense and you know what things that they could be and should be doing differently. Going all the way back to camp, tonight was a night for the defense. Where you've got a defensive minded head coach. You've got some defensive minds who might be doing other things on this team right now coaching wise,

but they're still supposed to be defensive guys. And I'm thinking to myself, that's all you could come up with, was a way to allow the other team to be out on the field almost by a factor of three times more than you through three quarters of this game. It was a bad, bad, bad job by them all around. That was I don't I don't have a more sinct or eloquent way of putting it. But defensively, a lack of effort like that, or a lack of planning like that, and a night well, let's face it, Josh Allen, he

was an all world tonight. He made some he made some pretty neat plays if you're just a um, you know, kind of an empirical football fan. But he wasn't unbeatable too that You didn't get it. You didn't get the A game from the Bill's offense. No, um yeah, I mean they had their way with you up. The problem is they didn't need anywhere close to their A game because Patriots offense gave them completely right. I mean, you got up seven three and then they quickly came made

it ten seven. From that point on, they would just toying with the mouse. It was the cat toying with the mouse. I agree with you, but go ahead, Paul. Well the other thing, and I talked about the ball security early on was my first bad I would also, you know, take that and go to the overall discipline that we've been talking a lot about lately, penalties, And they weren't a ton of penalties in this game, but they had five in the first seventeen minutes of the game.

They had five penalties holding calls, uh passing, aference calls, the intentional grounding. They had two penalties on one play just there very fortunate to get off the goal line without a safety on that play. Um it looked like that was supposed to be something that was was a quick hitting pass play. The tackles looked like they were cutting, and then Mac is doing everything you can to get rid of the ball just outside you know, the shade

of his goal line. So I just thought five penalties by the thirteen minute mark of the second quarter and capped off by the way on that drive with a delayed game on the punt, and I know that you're probably looking to see if you can draw them off side, but you can't. When you're like your fifteen yard line, you can't afford five yards there, and when you know your kicker right isn't doesn't have the kind of leg

you know your punter. Every yard counts, yes, you know, six penalties, four declined as well, so ten total calls. I mean some of them you know came on just once. I mean that's as close to as safety as you can get. Yeah, and that's what the second possession of the game. Yeah, I think it was the third, but yeah, I mean third Yeah, yeah, third one? What else he got dues? Uh? Where else? Go? Hold on? I got

I got a quick catchump in for me. It was kind of a clock management thing after the turnover toward the end of the first half. A huge, huge one on my list. Absolutely, they play offensively, and you know I already mentioned the defense, but offensively, they play like they don't know now what now, what do we do? We get this gift of a turnover, you know, you make a play, it's not a gift, it's not a total A huge play by Ucha. It was a great play by Ucha. Now what are you going to do

with it? You're gonna waste time. You're you're going to not play with any kind of urgency. You are going to get yourself into position where you're close to field goal range, and then you're going to burn seven seconds off a clock when you're down to I think thirty seconds anyway, and then call the time out. I'm watching it, I'm thinking, I don't always know there's you know, there are people who seem to have like this inherent sense of when to call the time out when not to.

I'm saying that time out, time out? What are you doing? What are you doing? I watched seven seconds click off, and then they call the time out because it was a third and one, and it was kind of like everyone realized all at once, Oh, we really need this here, or hold on, let's call the time they're on how to get it? Well what happened? Because I don't know, but this was huge, Like we were all talking about

it at the time live. But they ran the ball in second and one, yep, and then they thought they got the first down. They you know, and when they you know, they're expecting on second in less than a yard, they're gonna run it. They're not gonna be expecting us to run it. We're gonna get a yard, we're gonna get a first down, we're gonna run to the ball.

We're gonna spike it. When you don't get the first down, you can't spike it and set up fourth down, right, And that's why, not only it was a bad play called because they didn't get any yards and the clock ran and they had a call time out. Are we done? No? I just I bumped this thing here and it doesn't

like to be bumped. So not only they didn't get the first down, they had to waste of time out, and they wasted about ten seconds before they called the time out because they weren't prepared to call a time out. So it was a complete and total cluster. And I'll get the sequence right here. So they get the ball at their own forty two with a minute twenty left and two timeouts. That's an ideal situation to at least make it a one score game at the half, right,

So they go Stevenson for fourteen yards. Right. Great, Now it's first and ten at Buffalo's forty four with fifty four seconds left. They go to Myers, pushed out of bounce, clock stops for nine yards. Why with a stopped clock do you decide to come out on second and one and run the ball? Go to Myers on the sideline again and see if I can get another nine. I have two timeouts, I have the whole field at my disposal.

This to me was a complete and total breakdown, from play calling to operations, to mindset to execution across the board. Total fail. And I don't want to overstate one drive, but I don't know. In my dealings, a one score game at half is much better than a two score game. A field goal there would have been very valuable. So they go second and one, they get nothing with Stevenson. They have to call a timeout, and Hardy, you're right. They waited until those thirty four seconds. The play was

snapped at fifty. They didn't call time out till thirty four seconds, and I'm telling you it's because they were going to spike the ball on first and ten, and then they realized it ain't first and ten. We can't spike it. So then they have to waste it by calling a quarterback sneake. It's third and one. You don't need to sneak it to what all the other teams do, and throw a sixteen yard pass on third and one.

You're in plus territory and you're threatening to score, right like to me, if you you know, you burn a time out and that's what you come up. But throw a fifteen yard PA, throw a ten yard pass. If it's incomplete the quarterbacks now you're in go for it. And so of course after the quarterback sneak you have to do what call a time out. So now we're down to thirty two seconds and we're at the Buffalo thirty three yard line. No time out, and so what does that mean? So when if you have to set

up for a field goal, you can't stop that. So what So what's off the table? I'm at thirty in the middle of the field. I'm at the thirty three yard line with thirty two seconds left. Touchdowns off the table unless the Bills completely fall asleep and you can't run the ball. Yeah, you can't run the ball. As Fred said, you can't go over the middle. The only way you're gonna be able to score a touchdown is if somebody on Buffalo completely has a brain fire. So

so you end up with a field goal. Sorry, Hardy, it's a forty eight yard field goal and your guy can't kick those when it gets cold. His leg is tired. Fred Fred had a theory that got a tired leg because because that that's another one on a bad lip, Like I'm down on the on the whole approach tonight, but like part of this, so we have to activate Tristan Viscayno to kick off tonight, right, and he can't get it beyond the five yard line? Right? I bet Nick Folk can do that. I mean, it's Fred Fred

surmise that maybe Nick Folks like's tired. So that's the end of my rant. Maybe he has tired blood. He needs jaritol. It cures tired blood. Um, just two quick things. It was that it was excellent, It was excellent. I think there's some issues with some in game awareness up and down the roster and the coaching staff right now. Violent agreement. And let's also not forget the reason why they're in that position in the first place. Is is twofold number one? Great play to get the ball back.

But what happened on the Patriots possession before that? You went three and out, burned about forty five seconds off the clock and gave the ball back to the Bills with two minutes and three seconds and all their time outs. Correct, you were very lucky, this is what I'm saying. And that was the point where they were just kind of chucking a little bit. And oh, by the way, and oh, by the way, two you know, two plays before the strip stacked by uj was a fifty yard touchdown was

called back and it was a good call. I'm not saying it was a fluke, but I got news for you, Josh Allen didn't need that hold. Tommy Sweeney held Matt jude On in that plate. Unquestionably he didn't need it. He was rolling out around him and he was throwing that pass. Whether Sweeney held jude On or not. So so it could have been twenty four to seven to you a point hardy because they didn't do anything offensively. As bad as that sequence was, and the way you

broke it down was brilliant, Paul. Let's not forget about the possession the Patriots had before that, where they it was a quick three and out burned almost no time, gave the ball back to the Bills with just over two minutes. They play off before the two minute warning, and you're you were fortunate to get the ball. Yeah, that that series was started at the Patriots fifteen incomplete to Stevenson screened to Marcus Jones for three yards incomplete

to Myers punt right. So the Bills ended up getting the ball back at their forty three. This is why I'm saying, like again, you look at the end of the day and you say, wow, Patriot's defense wasn't that bad. You know, there was a lot of good fortune for the Patriots defense. Yeah, And like we said, the Bills let up, oh at the end, at the end of the day of the third quarter. By since from the end of the third quarter, they they were not intentional

about scoring. They were just intentional. But have you ever seen that line up with the like the extra linemen and just say we're just gonna grind it out here. And it works because they ran the ball. Yeah, thank god, because it kept the clock running and we got under three hours tonight, Freddie you know, but I mean, you know, it's like you can't help, but wonder, you know, would if you had scored, if you had put the pressure

on the Bills a little bit? You know, I'm not saying that they would have made mistakes in them, but you never even pressure if your offensive given the defense some hope, maybe they you know, who knows. But but the Bills, there was nothing threatening about the Patriots tonight, you know. And yeah, and that's and that and and Paul had they had to bring a guy out off the defense to score touchdown. You know, it's like, I'm just I'm struggling. Its great, but you know, what are

we doing seventeen ten at the half? Is? It just feels different? And I don't know, I don't know that you'll hold the Bills scoreless in the third quarter. Maybe they change their mindset a little bit and and become a little more aggressive. But but to Mike's point, make them do that, make them, make them happen. They never put any game pressure on them. Don't make us sit here in question as to whether or not they would

have changed their approach a little bit. Just right, get it, get it into a makeable range for a guy with a tired leg. Yeah, it's true. Telling Um, I'm just I'm having trouble getting down to individuals on this bad list because I don't have I don't really have any I'm just I think the thing that I'm most upset with is the coaching decision to point the offense in this direction starting back in the summer, and it has

failed origins. It's failed, you know, like I don't, I don't know how ansen no progression, there's no reason to have any confidence in any of this going forward for the rest of the season, much less going into next season. So like, that's where I'm at right now. I'm just frustrated that this this, this has been a disaster and there can tinuing to make the same mistakes. They can't string to drive together yet, And you know, how much more proof do you need? This is what it is.

I'm not kidding when I really do have thousands of people that around this blog, and you know, hundreds of them send comments, so I'm here, I'm hearing now, I'm hearing from hundreds of fans during the game, and there was a common theme what are the Crafts thing? What are the Crafts gonna do? What are they thinking they gotta do something? Their name was mentioned in this game more than any other game I've remember in recent memory, Like what are the Crafts thinking about this? That's that

was a common theme on the blog tonight. Right. Well, I mean you heard it all offseason of you know, anybody who is you know, critical of the Patriots, and rightly so. But everything that those people who crushed them about this, Matt Patricia Heart, they were completely right, like this was completely the wrong decision. They can't string an offense together. I mean we're in December now, like, so I think something major has to change going into the

next offseason. I don't know how. And you know, we're talking about like Odell Beckham, like I can't even get like you know, and you can and you can. They had Connor McDermott playing all right, but other teams get decimated offensive lines. Here the team had something named Quest playing on one one one leg. But they figure out like how to muster something that resembles an NFL offense. We we're having trouble doing that. Like I said, we had to pull a guy from defense to score a

touchdown tonight. Otherwise, another game where you got three points seven? Oh yeah, no three, you're right, yeah three. Um, so I have another little not quite as detailed of a rants. But there was a juncture at the to the middle to the end of the third quarter, right, so it's

still seventeen seven, and it was the drive that. Um you had a couple of runs by Stevenson that they really didn't block very well, and he just like one of them, he went into the pile for like a yard and all the linemen pushed him for like eleven at eleven, you know, and then he broke a tackle. You got hit by two guys in the backfield, and sudden how he scored a loose So just real quick, it was Stevenson right tackle for seven, Stevenson for six,

plus a penalty on the bills for defensive holding. So you know, it's like a thirteen yard play Stevenson for eleven. That was the play. The whole offensive line pushed him ten yards, so it kind of looks like, oh, we got to going here on the ground. But if you saw the plays, they didn't have it going on the ground. It was all Stevenson and it was all sort of yards after content, the whole team picking them up and

carrying them. So now it's first and ten, Buffalo forty five with nine twenty eight left in the third quarter. Mac Jones is under center, and I'm looking and I got my buddy even next to me, and I'm like, here's your hard play action, ev there it comes here it comes. Nope, hand off to Stevenson, four yard loss. Like right, I don't want to make too much of a like an individual play call. I think play calling in general is largely overrated. I'm glad was a time

I'm glad to take a shot. I'm glad you said that, Paul. It's like and I was thinking to myself the phrase I use you went to the well one too many times here, you know, hey, so here's where he get up take get get the ball in the air. And you might say, well, it was one play, like a good okay, So on the next play your patchwork offensive line Fred's talking about like Connor McDermott, which Mac was

under siege all night. He only got sacked once, but I mean, I don't know how that's sixty yards rushing sideways right behind. Mac did a really good job of avoiding a lot of sacks tonight. But on the next play he gets completely blitz creaked and it has to leave. The pocket, rolls out and throws a pick to Jordan Poyer and Fred what was it? They ended up overturning it. Oh yeah, terrible call, right, It's the same as the

Hunter Henry. Well, the Henry call was worse because he you know, and he broke I'm sorry, but this this was the same thing. It's like it was a catch, you know, right, Think it was the same thing. I thought Hunter Henry's was a touch. And see I'm very consistent. Fred's very consistent, like catches catches a catch, you know what, when you see it, the guy has two hands, he hasn't secured their two feet down. He's made a football move.

He made it. I don't know when they decided to just put that phrase survived the ground back in the rule book, but they did. He made he made a football move to get two feet and ground ground. That is, by definition a football move, right, I think he got three. Yeah, and he's now his knees down. And then I gotta be honest with you, I don't think I don't even think it's And watched this, I don't think they're all ever even hit the ground. No, it just seemed like

it moved a little bit. The first foot is down, watched their second. Then he he gets three down. It's a catch in every sense of the words. So anyway, believable. So now it's third. Now it's third and fourteen, and they throw a short little pass over the middle to Kobe Myers, and I'm thinking, I'm gonna go for it a fourth down, right, Like if you're throwing the ball that far short of the sticks you're gonna go for

a fourth down. Nope, they punt, and I pointed out that that was the one really well executed punt of the night, at thirty eight yard punt. You down it at the six. Here we go, see if Josh Allen will throw one to us. He almost threw one to us in the first half. Let's see if he throws one to us. Fifteen plays, ninety four yards, eight minutes, fifty five seconds, game set match. So that's why I can't like tell you like the defense. The offense was

far more responsible for this loss than the defense. But all right, I mean, you know, part of it is frustration because I think the four of us would all admit the other team is better than us. Yeah, oh yeah, right, yeah. Well, I mean I don't even think they played well all that well tonight. I mean they didn't have I continue to be amazed by the quarterback connection with guys like Jefferson and Diggs. Where I mean I said it tonight, watch out for Diggs on this. You can't stop it.

You know where it's going him. I know he's going to him. I got very pouty after a while. Yeah, there was a thing, but you know, it's just it's it's remarkable that, you know, even a guy like that who's that good, they still find a way to make it consistently. So not that I think Buffalo played bad because they didn't, but I'm just saying, like, you didn't really get the right they had at least four drops. At least four drop would you would you be worried?

But watching the Patriots offense and one of the punts, I think the first punt that elicited the Bronx cheer was a throw that hit Digs right right in the floor. Yeah, and he just dropped it like down. You never see that. Yeah. Um, there's there's something that has kind of taken over Twitter right now. And I first saw it from our well it's it's coming at me from a few different sources. And now the Mats have picked up on this too.

It's it's a sideline camera of Mac Jones come and do uh off the field, and Sports Illustrated has retweeted it now with their own God close Caps throw the FFing ball, FFing running game sucks. So he's yelling, you know, toward you know, the play callers, toward Patricia conceivably or something you know somewhere in the direction of you know what, shut up because the passing game sucks too. You know, shut up, Mac. This is twice, you know, don't don't,

don't do that. Don't separate yourself from the mess, because you're part of it. This is twice this week. I am that's that's Ladanian Tomlinson act to me. You know where things aren't going bad, and all of a sudden I've got the answer. You know, I'm not really part of the problem. Yeah, don't, don't, don't start, but I would. But I gotta say I would rather them throw the ball for incompletions than to take more of those four yard losses than negative plays are enough. Ye do it

quietly with your OC or your head head coach. Don't start yelling that. As bad as the running game tonight, I know. And he wasn't sharp at all. He had a lot of arant throws, would say, of all the people, Taekwon Thornton had two catches on two badly thrown balls. Right, don't get but I thought he had. I thought he had Myers on a pass over the middle that he overshot him. I thought he overshot m Parker on a play the one on the sideline that he I think

he drifted Parker too far out of bounds. He landed out of bounds. I don't think Mac was very good tonight. I mean I wouldn't put him on the bad list per se, because I do think he was under a Yeah, he was a medic amount of pressure. Yeah, but I don't think he was very good. But this isn't the game to be saying our passing attack is no and then to save us, you know, and this is one of those games where it starts to go bad and

you know people are turning. That's what happens. And you can't be the guy turning it, right, um, you know, you gotta be the guy keeping it from turning. Can I ask just a quick rules clarification here, because there's also some people getting on Michael Winner tonight. Um. For one play in particular, the player Mac is out there

running for his life. He must be, you know, covered fifty yards and talking, circling around and at one point one who is standing there and watching he's kind of watching him run behind him and there is there's a defender chasing him, chasing him down, and when who just kind of lets him go trump. Brown was kind of doing that too on that play. I don't I mean, I don't know. It's a hard play though, because you don't want me. Would he have been blocking him going

the wrong excuse me, the wrong way? And I believe that is a penalty. Yes, I would have to see can't turn his back essentially down field, which he would have needed to do almost. Yeah, you can't hit a guy facing your goal line. That was essentially what he would have had to do. It would have been closed, it would have been on. It would have been hard

to do. But but look, it wasn't a great look for anything offensively tonight, but especially when when when your quarterback is running for his life and he was kind of standing still. Yeah, well said he had tired, Like I mean, I've said to Paul coming down him like that play sums up this season for the offense. For me, Mac just like running around like crazy. People are just kind of standing around watching him. Nobody's open and he's

like losing his mind. Uh. Just I mean, it's it's it sucks that all these things are coming out now at the end, because I don't really don't need any cherry on top of this. We're gonna be doing all Sunday, We're gonna be doing a lot more bad. We can sprinkle them out, but let's take care of the injured real quick and we'll get to our phone calls here. Jacoby Myers took that that tough hit hand zone. He was evaluated for a head injury, so that's something tomorrow.

It seems like he's but he's just been getting beat up. Man. Seeing David David Andrews back out there tonight, you know, and didn't you know, appear to be I don't know, it's so tough to tell. I mean, the rest of the offensive line is just, you know, a patchwork right now. But in the fact that Andrews was playing and didn't seem yeah, I don't think it's snaps were limited, you know out there. I mean, you say it's a patchwork, but really it was only one guy out right, Yeah, yeah,

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five hundred. We start with Christian, who is in La Christian, thanks for holding and welcome into the post game show. Patriots, of course lose this one tonight to the bills that you're let staydium, I don't know what you're laughing about. Twenty four ten to final what do you got a Christian? You know I'm laughing because first of all, hey, welcome, welcome, g I think it's taking my call tough my tough season.

And I'm laughing because it's you know, it's apparent to me that I'm going to have to say something that I haven't said or felt in about twenty years, right, and that's that we are a bad team from top to bottom, from coaching to execution. We're a bad team. And it doesn't feel good right now to be a

Patriots fan. And this is what it looks like when you don't have an offersive coordinat that knows what you're doing, a guy that can evaluate with some skill and some experience, the talent that you have on your team, individual player talent, find innovative, creative ways to get those guys the ball in space. In the modern game, this is what the offense looks like when that's your situation and that's style situation.

You know, it's almost it's almost to me at the point where you have to say, but the seasons sort of over right, I see two or three losses ahead of us, and even if we miraculously make the playoffs, even if we did well in the playoffs, somehow we are so far away from beating this team guys that we would have to meet them and face them in the playoffs anyway, and you almost want to go, let's start looking at some of the younger guys and seeing what we had and making a plan for next year.

What do you guys agree with me at all? I do agree with you. I wish there were more young players to look at. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I say, I get the frustration. I can hear it in your voice, Christian, But yeah, I don't think it's a bad team. The team. I think it's an average team. But you're just in, You're just in the mix. You're just in the media.

You're not even anyone have given my blood and tis on other feat to this, okay, and you see us grow, and you see it's become this dynasty, that that rival execution, that thrives on on on mental toughness, that risal, all these things are that are the fundamentals of football. And you have one main player lead and to see all sort of giving we break down. Okay, it's more than frustrating. Its disheartening as a Patriot, diehard, as a Patriots fan.

And you want to start asking some of the big questions. All right, all right, thank you, Christian. I know you're trying to get him out. I've given my blood sweating, I mean, grow on. Oh um, this is a very interesting quote. This is you know the stuff I you know, Fred, I told Mike and I told Evan. Do you remember on Wednesday I told you about that Tim Hasselbeck comment that he made on ESPN. Did you get to hear it? So I heard. I heard him in context, and it

wasn't about people wanting Zappy to play. It was people still harboring some resent resentment from the way the Zappy situation unfolded. In other words, that Bill wouldn't just say Mac Jones is the starter when he was hurt. When he's back healthy, he'll be the starter, sort of let him twist in the wind and the inference there. And Hasselbeck did not use all these words. He just said there's still some lingering fallout from the Zappy situation in the locker room he said, or not with the team.

He said, with Mac Jones and with the team. I think that was the words he used. And I think that what he's talking about is like Jacoby Myers, who was outspoken after the Chicago game, didn't like the way the whole thing unfolded. This isn't. Can't you see this? Well, definitely Mac Jones, I mean, but felgern Mas surmised that there's a gang of five. It's Mac Jones, Kendrick Bourne, Kobeys, David Andrews, and Hunter Henry. This is a comment. I'm

looking at Andrew Callahan's twitter. Do you see this? I'm seeing it. This is a fascinating quote. Kendrick Boyne. Do the Patriots need to play different on third down? Kendrick boy quote, Yeah, man, we need to scheme up better. We need to know what they're doing. We need to know what they want to do on third down. They call this, and we call that, and it falls right

into what they want. These like, if you want to be if you want to be frustrated with the way the direction that the team is going, that's a very frustrating comment to hear out of you a locker room after a loss. To Fred's point, you can't say, well, the running games to bleep and not take any responsibility for the passing game. This is, you know, don't throw it all on the coaches. You know you're a team. Don't throw it all on the coach. Yeah, we got

to execute better. Is the answer to that question in the locker room. So I think there's something to that hassleback thing. I think there's some resentment in the locker room. I think there's been a lack of faith overall in the plan from the start from Mac Jones, and I think that's per permeating through some of the members of the offense. And I think that's part of the problem. I'm not telling you it's the problem. I think it's part of the I've been a little skeptical of that stuff,

but I believe it. You're starting to see this come out now. And as you know, we talked last year about Matthew Slayer saying we're at a turning point. I don't think that was a real turning point. I think right now is a real turning point for this team because based on things that are coming out. And I should mention that some people are pushing back on what Mac actually said on that video. I haven't listened to it. I'm not as concerned about what matt said slight heat

of the moment. I just want to you know, some people are at me. I can't listen to it right now. I don't know what it is, but you know, just regardless. I mean, these things that are happening right now, this is not good. And I mean, coming into this game, you knew it was kind of a must win, but like I didn't see it as so much as a must win to make the playoffs. It's just felt like

a must win for the psyche of the team. And I think what you're seeing right now, or at least a play well like you, like you Austin Minnesota, but offensively, I think there were a lot of reasons to be optimistic. You move the ball at will, you put some points on the board, and you looked like a representative offense. Tonight it was right back to the Jets and Colts. You looked like you did against the Jets and Colts tonight. Right you couldn't move the ball, and like if if

mac Jones didn't say that, I don't care. I watched him on the field on third time when they fumbled, he banged his thigh like a spoiled brat, like he is at times when things aren't going well. And there was another point, frustrated came off the field. I think it was like fourth and six or seven or whatever. It was a punt situation and he came off the field like throw it, throw it, like he wanted to go for it. It's like Mac, settle down. You know what?

What what gives your coaches any faith that you're going to convert that? Okay? I know I want to counter that though, Okay, I am not killing Mac heat of the moment on the field, like if he whether he said running it or not, or the run game spinks or not. Whatever. I don't think the coaches coached the second half to win. I think the coaches coach the second half to stay close. And I hate that. I hate it that fourth thound play you're on plus territory.

It was like fourth and seven, fourth and five goal for that? Why not? I mean, especially when you're not gonna use your timeouts at the end and you're just gonna con and then fold it the end with one left and you know you're down to score. I wouldn't hold that against him, But I'm just if that to me is not playing. But they kicking a field goal on you know, down seventeen points, like you are you trying to just stay close? No? But I I agree with you, Paul. But what I what I don't like

is Mac hasn't earned the right to start yelling at coaches. Oh, absolutely, you're right about that. What has he done to show coaches that this is a guy that we go with it for, you know, like, be quiet, you know, for now, until you've proven that we'll put the ball in your hand on fourth seven. You know, you haven't earned the right to be mad at your coaches. Yet You're right,

you know, you're right about that. Absolutely. I can't agree with that across the board, like I couldn't agree with it earlier in the season, when who is Mac Jones to be questioning the play calls and the offensive plan? Well, but I'm okay with that privately, I'm with you on that, Like I'm okay with my quarterback asking why and you know, demanding an explanation about why we're changing this thing up.

You know, I'm fine with my quarterback asking questions. But don't make a show of it, you know, because then that that gets that again. Don't make it out to be that you've been productive, right, don't make it out to be that you've given Bill Belichick faith? Like why did they kick the field goal last year in the rain against Tampa Bay when it was fourth and three

and they kicked the fifty six shot. Because you haven't gotten any third downs all night, Mac, Why if you scored sixteen points in the game, if Larry Bird just says, just give me the ball with three seconds left, I'll win you. Okay, you've Larry Bird. You're not You're not Larry Bird yet. You're not Tom Brady, you're not Josh Allen. I mean, I think you could hear from Christian's voice. I mean, and I think it's it's the same thing for the players, and I think the frustration is boiling over.

They've been at this thing for four months, boiling over here and our radio studio, you had a guy who, out of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round, was universally accepted to I have the best rookie season last year. And things fell apart toward the end of the year. But what do you do to help him improve and build upon that? You bring in a guy to coach the offense who has no business coach in

the offense. By by many people's estimations, five and nine, his last fourteen starts yeah to the hearty's point and instead of giving you, um, not that he's deserving of of of more weapons, but they really haven't given him anything more to work with, and you essentially take a step back in terms of coaching and the offensive game plan for the season. So I want to give Moby j doesn't I understand the frustration we need to Nobody

wants to see. Nobody wants to see players yelling at their own guys, at their own coaches, at their own players. But the christ, Look, this is real. All the other crap that we're going to get in terms of, you know, the the improvement in the progress you showed, whether it was in the Jets game or this, that and the other, and how things weren't that bad when you play Buffalo, that's all nonsense. This is real. This feels authentic. I'm not saying you gotta like it. But is he wrong?

Is he is? He? Is? He? Is he wrong? Name? So should David Andrews be yelling at people? Should you know any better? I think David Andrews has, like to you a point like Mac Jones hasn't earned it. David Andrews has, he has, but he doesn't do that because he's a leader. No, because no one is blaming David Andrews and saying that David Andrews sucks. He's hearing it every single day that he's not the guy. Get Tom Brady back and do something. I have him to try.

You have to show the world that I'm I don't like this. Okay, So I mean it's it's so Mac is at the podium. I guess um, and I'm reading Matt Doloff's dolof Sorry, um, sorry, Matt, just kind of letting my emotions get the best of me. Um explained that he wanted to push the ball down field wall with the Pats playing from behind and needing to keep up Um. They asked him about the video that was making the round, so he said, short game sucks. Let's see,

wanted to throw it deeper? Is what it sounds like. He's explaining, I don't know whatever that means. Let's go to it. Is it Suitan in Cincinnati? Am I pronouncing that correctly? There? Suedan Sudan, Hey Sudan here, yeah, yeah here you heyyyy. Paul Love you'll been a long time listener, first time caller. H yeah, I've been amazing. Uh love you'll. Hey. So one thing quick thing I want to point out. I mean, there's a lot of disappointing stuff right obviously

into this game. But one thing I want to say, all right, and that is uh uh from Brown. So fourth quarter, I don't know if y'all noticed that. I want I want y'all to go back and look at this. This I noticed it's a lot of times fourth quarters, second and ten. While Buffo was up twenty four, page was the seventh, and it was shotgun. Four receivers go down Krant Brown literally gave up on the play. Mick middle of play well, Ack Jones was struggling to find

protection receivers. Brown did not play well at all tonight. I agree with you. I mean this, I want y'all to I have been watching him play but but but but this play and maybe this was the one that is sticked out. I think obviously they did because I was watching him. But but before the nastpect he he gave. He gave up midway. He gave up midway while Magic was struggling to find open spots to go up to us right and everything he gave he was not trying.

I don't want to make excuses for Trent Brown, but there had to be some reason why he didn't even come out for warm ups. Oh yeah, you know he was dealing with an illness. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, but he just I mean, he played like he did in the last game. To be honestly, I thought like trying to cut guys at strange times, even like I never I'm never a big fan of the cut block for an offensive lineman unless it's a screen to that side. You got to get the guy off his feet so

he doesn't knock the pass down. Because he cut a guy tonight, I think it was Epanessa got back, he got back up and affected the throw was still in the ground, right, So I think you just take yourself out of the play. Um, how about Eric in New Jersey? Eric? Go about Eric? Yeah, you're on the Patriots postgame show presented by Cyber Reason Eric. Yes, yes, even no hard he's operating the board. First of all, well, call your

the uncle I never had, dude, you're my guy. I know you're you're working in you're working your way into it, but your family. I sent a couple of missiles to some of the people that you know, sent some you know, some nonsense comments your way. So pduce your family now. But but fellas, we we gotta we gotta address that. I mean, I wasn't there. I was in the camp that you know, maybe Mac wasn't the guy. You know, maybe Max still isn't the guy. But the offensive play

calling is is atrocious. I mean, we have Johnny Smith even he's on the cap, he's on the cap for next year for eighteen point five, got him? Why do you keep throwing the ball to him at you know, at the line of scrimmage and then you know Vermond and Stevenson, he's gonna he's gonna get three hundred touches this year. And at what point the guy's gonna wear down? And where he called his agent? Where you know, we're

just wearing the guy down for for nothing? I mean, and then the defense Bill you had all off seasons to figure out a game plant against the builds. The builds we consider the class of the AFC. Whether you said the Dolphins regards to what they did, the Bills were the class that you know, all right, They obviously they dog walked us again, they dog walked us tonight. They could have they could apply the pressure more tonight,

but they knew they had to do nothing more. They were running easily at it as at an easy clip for us against tonight. You did nothing to stop to stop them. They're the class them, the Dolphins. So what at what what promise does this team have? I mean, Matt Patricius, Matt Patricia, I get it, you're an engineer, but you're a moron. Is a neat I hate, I hate to go there, but at what point does this team take the next step? And you guys talked Induced

and Paul, you guys talked about it this offseason. Who were who were the young guys who would you build around? Pace should take the build around this off season? Obviously ramondre Stevenson, he proved he's taking that build, but whilst from that class. Obviously Marcus Jones obviously too. But yeah, there's no I don't know if Marcus Jones is going to be part of the offense. But they need more playmakers on offense. It's the same stuff we talked about

all summer. I'll spring you have good players. I think you have a bunch of two slash threes like I don't think that they I don't think Parker Myers born in Agalore is a terrible group of wide receivers. I do strongly believe in you need a stud. The stud takes the pressure off of everybody else, and I think they're they're missing that. And they're also just sort of missing the guy that Mac Jones looks too when he needs a play, you know. Yeah, yea in the off season.

And Dix wasn't like Jefferson last week. But Dix was the guy that I again, you allowed the other team's best player to dictate the offense. The only difference in the numbers and the stats tonight was the lead, and Buffalo just did what it needed to do. They had it comfortable, They had a two score lead for the vast majority of the game, and they I was read

I just read Josh Allen's transcript. They you know they Someone asked him, did you just feel like you needed to choke him out there in the third flour with that drive? Yeah? He said, yeah. You know, they're playing two deep shell and they're daring us to run, and I thought we got physical and random they did. I mean, the numbers aren't going to jump off the page at you. But offensively, yeah, they only average three point six to carry.

But thirty seven carries for one hundred and thirty two yards. So it's like, let's let's say thirty four for one hundred and thirty five because they had the three nail downs at the end. Buffalo's not a physical, grind it out team. Like when they were putting in an extra lineman. We the three of us were talking my, you, me and Evan and we're saying go ahead, like put the extra linement now for me personally, night game. I'm the

clock's running. I'm happy, right, let's go. But I wasn't expecting Buffalo to play ball control for two thirds of the game the way Hardy said. By just lining up and running it, I mean goal to go down on the goal line, third and goal from the one walked in Devin Singletary walked in easily. Yeah. I agree with

everything you said about the weapons, Paw. I just I think where the place I'm at right now is that I can't get by I can't get past the offensive design and the offensive install and like, I think these players are absolutely better than what they're putting out in there. But I think you could have an all star team with Odell Beckham and Tyree Hill and Jaylen waddle out there right now, and I don't know how they'd get the ball. I think it's gonna be fascinating to watch

in the offseason. I'd like to see. I don't know where to start, but I do. I think it's gonna be fascinating because, like, do you guys envision Bill saying, you know that didn't work. We're gonna Matt, You're gonna go back to being now Listen, I'm telling you I made a prediction last week on the show. There's gonna be an offensive shake up this offseason. But but like, so does that require or a third system? It might so well, I don't know, they'll be banging on the

five pads again. Next time. They'll be a coaching changes. I mean, I I coaching change. I just think I think it's gonna be fascinating to watch waste of time this offense. And if you're gonna try to build off of this, then you're just like bring someone in start from scratch. I don't care. You know, that's how bad it is. Like, I don't know if there's anything to salvage from what they've done on offense. Again, I'll go

back to what I said earlier. The Craft's name was thrown around a lot tonight, Like what are they thinking. They don't just get their information from Belichick and take his word from it. They talk to other people too, sure, you know, and I think you know, assuming this continues the way it is the rest of the season, You've got five games left, Um, they're going to demand changes. Yeah, well, I mean, just you know, realistically, like I look, I give I give everybody a little bit of a pass.

In twenty twenty Brady left, like the pandemic whatever, Like give them a pass that year. The last two years, what's progressed? Like, what's gotten better? If anything? It feels like you're just kind of slowly continuing to fall apart. You know, it doesn't feel like you really I mean, you talk about players you're excited about. I'm excited about Romandre Stevenson, I'm excited about Marcus Jones. But after that, what are you excited about with this day? Like? What

do you really believe in this league? You know, it's hard to have an elite defense. Your best defense is a good offense in this league, absolutely, and they don't have absolutely, And that's and I don't know if that's like a holdover from Hey, this is you know, two thousand and three, where we can win games nineteen seventeen, um. But I just I don't think you can. I think Paul's point about having a guy is is absolutely necessary. How do you get that? If you don't think obs

that guy, then it's a different argument too. Right Well, at the same time, it's like, do I feel like we're one thirty year old player away? Like I feel like we're like three three players in five years away right now now, And they're definitely more than one receiver away because they're going to have turnover at that position. I mean, I can't possibly imagine that Agilore's back. I think virtually everybody else other than Thornton is in question.

You know, Jacoby Myers is a free agent. Born will be in his last year. Parker will be in his last year. Neither one of them is a you know, guaranteed to stay. So I think you're looking at an overhaul there. You know, you look at the young players and there was an ESPN behind the paywall. ESPN had the twenty five best players under the age of twenty five. Did you see this list? No? No, I mean no, Patriots,

aren't it? No surprise there? Stevenson probably the only one that really had a sniff, unless you wanted to say Marcus Jones as like an he hasn't really played, no, but even before tonight, you know, right, But twenty five players, and the list of the twenty five players is really impressive. Like they're good, good players around the league. And just as a point of comparison toa Jalen Hurts justin fields, Trevor Lawrence. So there's quarterbacks on the list, but not yours.

And there are receivers on the list, Jalen Waddle, you know, guys like that, none of yours. And again, could you make an argument I think maybe Stevenson, you can make an argument that Romandre Stevenson could be on that list. But it's a very impressive list and even have some honorable mentions. Yeah, and you know, and even people like me and you you tease me and about you know, like, oh, I just believe that we can put a team together.

That they're not that talented, but they all believe in each other and they love each other and they're gonna win because you still you still believe in Santa Claus. I get it, I do. I get it. You you still believe. But the Scott Pioli mantra that it's it's not about the best fifty three, it's the right fifty three, which only matters if you have an elite player at

the most important spot. And I think, like I can at least fool myself into believing that if you're gonna tell me that this is the best coach team in the league and that they're gonna play like that, and all right, we're not talented, but we're not gonna penalties, We're gonna be tough, we're gonna have a good game plan. We're gonna throw twist side people. We're not going to fumble the snap on the biggest game of the year, on the on the third the third snap of the game,

you know. So that for me, that's like, you know, and I say that, you know, kind of joking, but overall, like, if you're not a well coached team and you're beating yourself consistently, like what do you have, Like you don't have talent, you don't have coaching. You've lost now to the to this team who really for the last four years you should have been pretty much maniacally focused on how to figure out this team and this guy? What have you come up with? Three years they loaned you?

And I'm not amis Alonzo Stag when it comes to breaking this stuff down. But I didn't see a whole lot different tonight in the way they attacked the Bill's offense. Um, And just to put a rap on that whole young player thing is, you know, just try to think in your in your mind, who will be here in two years? You know, it's hard to come up with, you know, you know Barmore, Marcus Jones, probably Jack Jones, uh Stevenson,

Mac Jones. But like it's hard, you know, you compare that to like even the Jets, who I still say, I don't think he's that that good, but you know, and I heard Albert Brier talking about this on on was it on your show today? Yeah? Yeah, yeah with Hardy. I heard Albert Brier breaking down like the other teams

in the division. Now, I think he was being a little unfair because I think two years, three years down the road, it's hard to know how many of these guys will still be around two But it's unquestionable that these teams in the division have more talented young cores than the Patriots do. I mean definitely on the Jets, you know, key spots, key spots too. And that's like I don't even care about Zach Wilson, you know, playing Mike White like I mean the Garrett Wilson Sauce Gardner.

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in what you got for us? Hey, how you guys doing a good Let you notice jacked up as you were in the pregad brutal Um. I am not going to uh go as far as the caller did a few calls ago and say, you know, I'll give him blessed sweat and tears. But they definitely have my motions in a headlock. I am here to make a declaration, guy, a final declaration. I hope it's not of independence, not even a little chuckle party. Mac Jones is not the guy.

Mac Jones is not the guy. And not only is he not the guy, but now he's not the guy and he's being insubordinate on the sideline. So that brings me to my second uh in in in in final I guess issue um, And I'm not here to argue with you guys because I argue with Patriots fan so I'm blewing the face around here. Who's better Zappi or or you know, I argue that all the time. But at this point, don't you think we should try something different?

I mean, I mean obviously what we're doing is not working. Um, so I wanted to get you guys. You know, what do you say to Patriots fans like me that just say, look, we're not saying he's better, but I think he is. Let's just try something different. Okay, I'm starting a new movement hashtag start Bailey Zappy. I'm gonna try to get a rolling on Twitter. What do you guys think? I just think you're putting him in a terrible position. I mean, I don't know why you know you think Bailey's Appy

is going to be successful or different? Like I just I think the problem starts at the top. And if Matt can't figure it out or they can't figure it out formac in a way that is at least I'm a productive I don't really have much confidence they're gonna be able to figure it out for Bailey's Appy either. Yeah, it's tough because okay, so you roll out Zappy and what if he stinks? Now you're like, okay, Mac, you

can come back. And then you also have you know, Paul Sing, He's been talking about people and didn't like how it was handled. Now you're going back to Zappy, So those people are going to be even more pissed. And if we're talking about a locker room, that possibly could be fracturing that might be something that the only way, there's only two ways that I think you can go to Zappy. One is obvious that if Mac gets injured.

But the only other way to me is if you decide that Mac Jones is not not my guy, right, and that you're done. Yeah, I'm done with Mac Jones because if you if you go away, Look, I mean there's a lot of strange things happen. Who would have ever thought that Jimmy Garoppolo would wind up back starting after the way he was treated over the last couple of years, So you never know. But if you go to Bailey Zappy because you say Mac, we just you

know what we're gonna go. We're gonna go with Zappy here, you've lost him and you clearly don't think that he's the answer. So I just I find it awfully hard to believe they think Bailey Zappy gives them a better chance. Um, who knows. I'm not a football coachy. The string out hurt and it looks like he was like hobbling a little bit tonight. If he's hurt, that's different. But I don't know. But these types of situations have ruined coaches

in the past. Yeah, now Bill has the advantage of not having to worry about that, but it almost it ruined him in Cleveland. You know. Well when he went with Testaverdi overs up, he ended up being proven right about that. Well, he didn't lose his job because he lost his job because they fell apart. I know, But

like that was a tough decision. Those decisions are some of the toughest decisions a head coach can make, because the quarterback is just a very unique It's not like even a goalie in hockey, where you pull the goalie and you're bringing the other guy until he cools down, then you bring back the other it's quarterback is different. Well, I gotta say, I'm really interested to see what happens because you've got a team that's now gonna, you know,

have a week of prep for Arizona. But then they're gonna go spend a week together, you know, and so they're gonna play a game on the road, they're gonna be kind of isolated. Then they're gonna play another game against Well, it's gonna say, it could be a bad thing. Usually I don't know, bonding together, I know, and right now it's it. It seems like, you know, go back

to the Slater thing. It feels like is this are these guys gonna bond together or these last five games gonna be just a continued descent into darkness, which I don't totally rule out fifty three separate ubers. Yeah, and I will say, you know, I didn't. I didn't think tonight was a must win. But I think the two games upcoming are must wins. Those are the two games with losing records. That's the easy part of the schedule

is Arizona in Vegas, two bad teams. But you need to basically you need to go form one right to make the playoffs correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you have to win these two games. They must win. I'll lose either one of them. I think it's game set matches, Yes, Dylan in Orlando, what's going on? Dylan? And then guys get injuries? Yep, Hey guys, maybe maybe, And foremost appreciate each of you. Christ MoMA firmly, pretty firmly disagree with

Will on this one. For a reference, in Josh Allen's first two season, seventy eight point two passer rating, five thousand yards, thirty touchdown, twenty one interceptions, Mac Jones broken sneas in ninety two point five, passer rating thirty eight hundred twenty two, touchdown thirteen inch. Okay, can I just can I just stop you for a second. Yeah, when you watch Josh Allen and you watch Mac Jones, who do you think has better, better or skill? No? No,

And that's gonna be my next point. I think johns sh Allen is a superior quarterback. But my thing is, you know, part of his development has come from the coaching staff that's been around him. And I hate to beat a dead horse. So my question really is, and I hate to go here because I've never been the type of person to pin Bill. I think, you know, when you have a traff record of success, you can mess up a few times. But when is he going

to start taking the accountability for this mess? And I don't mean public accountability, I mean accountability in the form of change. You know, we're through thirteen weeks here and they've made zero progress on the offensive side of the ball. And I don't think the defense is as peachy as numbers suggest either. Anytime we've played a competent offense, we've seen a slow burned game. You know, time possession in favor of these a fair points on the ball down

our throat, throw it over our head, et cetera. So I don't think that mac Jones is the problem. I'm curious to know when we think Bill Chick he's going to take accountability for the situation. Well, he said it's all on me, right, didn't he say that? Well said to blame him? And I agree with the caller. I just the point I was trying to make, and it wasn't taken about the coaching. Is mac Jones came into the league much more ready to play in the NFL

than Josh Allen did. Josh Allen played at Wyoming, was wild and needed to be coached up and out of some of that wildness. But it was apparent and Fred and I would talk and we were talking about that game on a Saturday afternoon late in the year, I think in nineteen. Yeah, he didn't have a great game statistically, but some of the plays he made were like, Wow, if this guy can ever figure it out, this guy's gonna be dangerous. And he figured it out and now

he's dangerous. Go it. Mac Jones doesn't have that a great receiver and he got Brian Dable, right, But mac Jones doesn't have that potential, like physically from a skill set. He has to play at a high level, you know, mentally, and then he needs to be lifted by great talent around him. And he has just so so talent around him. I mean, Josh Allen's a unicorn. I mean, I don't you know, nobody's like. That's why I don't want to

see comparisons to his first two years. He came in the touchdown so far away with mac Wilson draped on him and he's got he's halfway out of bounds and he just rifles it back. That's a great example. So mac Jones a better rookie year than Peyton Manning. Are we what are we saying? What does that mean? But nothing? But but mac Jones had a play like that where he's rolling and rolling and rolling to the sideline and try to throw it late and what happened got picked well,

didn't like. That's just a physical Henry should have came back to him. It's a physical skill set that he just doesn't possess it. And it doesn't make mac Jones a bad guy, because you're right, Josh Allen's a unicorn. Yeah. Uh, we're talking about what Bill said, what he did take

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Um just obviously just couldn't do enough tonight. Um can give Buffalo credit and good good football team. Um, we just we just couldn't do enough. Um. So that's some opportunities, but just um nothing in particular, just in general, not just not quite good enough in any area right area. Offensively, they're making plays in the kicking game. So um, it's about it's about the end of it. Bill, Buffalo's last

possession about two minutes left, you have a timeout. What went into the decision and to not call it timeouts to try to get the ball back and let Buffalo letting the clock out there talking about on the nail downs. Yeah, I thought that was the best thing to do for our team. You know, we went the other way into Baltimore game and I lost Mac for three weeks. I mean, I really think that was worth it. Three to twelve. On third down offensively, it's been an area that has

been a struggle all season. Well what do you see there? Why that's been such a struggle. Yeah, combination of things and then the two minute offense at the end of the second quarter. Were you okay with the way the timeouts were used in the management in that situation? Who came ashore on a third down costs us another You know, we didn't pick it up on third down, so we had to here's the time out there. So I mean in the end, we you know, should have had a field goal at the end of the half and we

ended up not getting it. So, Bill, why do you think the offense is still struggling so much at this point of the season. Yeah, Oh, I'll just say tonight, you know, we just didn't, like I said, we just didn't do enough. You know, had some opportunities and weren't able to take advantage of him. You guys had a lot of the same players in place last year as you do this year, and the offense is a lot

more efficient. Anything specific to change from last year to this year, I don't just got through with the game here, Bill, give him that he had done it in college. Were you always planning on at some point trying to use Marcus Jones that way? Or is it something specific this week that you thought that he might be able to give you guys a spark? Yeah, he's he's played on offense before. Very far right, Bill, Sorry by the door over here. Are there serious changes you guys have to

make on third down? I think you're three for ten last week, three for twelve today. Yeah, it's a combination of things. So there's a lot of things we do better. Some of that's third down, some of that's first and second down. Did you feel like you couldn't be real aggressive on first and second down based on some of the stuff you guys had going on your offensive line? Oh, we were definitely working around some things there. Yeah, we

just need to do a better job. Would you consider the struggles on offense more of a play calling issue or an execution issue? Yeah, well, we just need to do a better job overall. A right over here, Bill, on the Allen pass to Gabe Davis, the touchdown pass where it looked like he was maybe going to go out of bounds. Wilson was pursuing him on that. Did you think that he was out of bounds when he threw that? It looked like some guys had kind of

stopped playing. I don't know what you saw. Yeah, I'm not. I don't know. I don't really see it. Bill. There's a sequence at the end of the first half second down and one and you guys ran it called sorry, I came in late. Apologize. Yeah, no worries. Bill. Was there any consideration to bumping Mike on one who out to right tackle condract dem got the start? It has been with you guys for about nine days. Was there any consideration to moving things around to get Mike in

that spot and then moving someone else into that guard spot? Yeah, it's not always moving moving one and moving too. Moving two is always harder and moving one. Um, And when we looked at our options, felt like that was you know, I felt like we did the best thing we could do. If we thought moving Mike was out there, would have done that right, Bill. Did you feel conditioning was an issue at all? Defensively, they just were out there for I think almost forty minutes. I thought, actually we played

pretty competitively. Andrew Kelling build a decision upon with twelve and a half minutes left around midfield on fourth down? What made punting the best for the team in that situation? Yeah, it's thoughts, you know, stay in the game, all right. Just did it feel like the Bills maybe had a beat on what you guys were trying to do on early down? It just felt like a lot of short passing screens into the flat. Did they get a jump

on that? And do you think it's hard to keep players from getting frustrated against an offense like Buffalo um when you're not incredibly aggressive through the air? Uncle players, you don't know. You're sorry your offensive players, I don't know. You have to ask them. It's kind of a kind of a mic drop. You think conditioning was an issue on defense? Your defense was out there for forty minutes, and he said, I thought we were competitive defending that defense,

defending that defense tough to defend. Why do you think you might be doing that? Oh? Well, I mean I can think of a couple of reasons, but I wouldn't want to speculate. I think. I mean, and again, I don't think the defense was horrible tonight. I think they competed. I thought they really made Buffalo earned their yards. It wasn't a lot of freebees. But I don't I just I have to stop short of saying, oh, great job

by the defense only allowed twenty four points. I think we all watched the game and kind of felt like Buffalo could have named the score. And I know what you're inferring there two Paul, But I think he's probably just a protective and loyal to his friends who were running the offense. Right. Yeah, I thought I thought he side stepped a question earlier in the press conference about the differences between last year and this year. It felt like it was mostly the same personnel and more efficient

last year. What's the issue? And to you a point, Freddy, he didn't answer that either. There's plenty of question and critique right now without even getting into nepotism or anything like that. You know, I'll get into nepotism. Like the fake punt. I mean, you know they well, you know, we did force a punt, but they faked it. So there is two years Ken d Borne quote, and they're born. I'm gonna make a sneaky prediction to make the end

of the season. Not gonna make the end of the season. Yeah. Um. By the way, the first punt that was forced by the Patriots defense tonight, there was not a smattering of chuckles or any kind of sarcastic applause. I don't think the crowd was for that was a little bit, a little bit of a mock here, but but not you How could you tell from your lofty perch up there and not like I thought it was going to be to you a point with the serious folks. I just I don't I think the crowd would have done it.

I don't think they were in the mood. Everybody, you know that, everybody underneath us. They got up. But it wasn't like I thought it was gonna be one of those you know, like when you get like seven penalties called against you in a row, and all of a sudden there's one called the other team, and everybody, Yeah, that's what I thought you were gonna ash. I think they still wanted to believe at that point, they still

wanted to believe like this, But it wasn't. It wasn't like like usually you get a third down stop and the crowd goes wild. It wasn't any of that. Uh, let's go to Kyle and Charlotte, North Carolina. Kyle, Kyle

on the how are you doing good? Hey? Ka Um, I just gotta say, who would have thought two summers ago, after spending one hundred and sixty million dollars in the off season that we would have these problems with the O line, H quarterback controversy, U wide receivers not getting open, going blazing on the routes, and then this Mac Jones thing that just can't bow with him saying the stuff

on the sideline. Um. I know it's been a mess, but it's like it's hard to be optimistic in this situation, Like if we do any worse, we're not going to get a higher draft pick. If we've played too hard. I mean, the second round seems like the farthest will go. I hate to say it like that, but it just seems like it's been a constant like circle of just

biting our own till well. I tell you what, Kyle, I don't I don't think you know, people like me maybe are going to be forced into push back against the optimism, like I was after the win over the Jets. You know, I felt like I had to, you know, just for my own sanity's sake. Like I didn't see all that much improvement. I didn't see all that much to take away from it. I'm not hearing so far tonight. I'm not seeing anything. We're not hearing from anybody taking

away much positive from this effort tonight. There's just there's not a lot. There's there's not a lot to like. I don't mind beating the Jets ten three, right, I don't mind like winning different games differently, you know, and being able to do that. Like when we're in against a team like the Jets, we can win the slug fest. The problem is they can't win the games that against the teams, you know. I think that's a great point. Yeah, I wouldn't mind beating the Jets ten three if they

could beat the Bills thirty four thirty one, right. Only the problem with beating the Jets ten three is that's the only way they can win, right. Um Austin in North Dakota joining us now on the Patriots postgame show. Hi Austin, Hey, guys. First of all, I just want to say thank you for taking my call. There's I guess where do we start? I mean to me, last weekend, Jonathan Jones really struggles against Justin Jefferson, and then I

saw him out there again with him this week. Not only did he struggle in coverage, but he had another big penalty again tonight. Um. Another thing is is I feel like Kendrick Bourne should be getting a little bit more playing time considering our offenses has been struggling so bad, and it seems like we have guys, I mean, they can catch the ball, but they can't make anything happen after the catch. Like a game like tonight, you could add a guy like Born. I mean, he did it

for you a lot. Last year, in my opinion, has been an absolute disappointment. I really thought that he was going to be a focal point of this offense. And I'm the last thing I really wanted to talk about is am I crazy for thinking that there needs to be a coaching change. I mean and my offensive coordinator. I mean, there has to be a change there. In my opinion, I'm not saying that he's been absolutely terrible

this year. Offensive line hasn't done Mac any favors, And to be honest with you, I completely get where Mac was coming from tonight. I mean, there's no reason why Mac Jones should be running around in the battlefield looking like Patrick Mahomes try trying to, you know, extend plays, because that's not who he is. That's not who he's

ever going to be. I It just it really sucks the position that we're in because I know the thing is, I feel like we're slowly becoming Denver with the things that are happening on the sideline now tonight with Mac, you know all that. Hopefully that ends up not being as dramatic as I think it's going to be. But I mean, if if there's already a locker room shift, I mean, that just creates more drama to a drama filled And you know, Bill has admitted it and players

have admitted it. This is a tough place to play football. It's very demented, it's very demanding mentally, and you know these guys are wound tight. Yeah. Yeah, it's demanding and they're wound tight. And when things go bad, the tighter you're wound, you snap, you know, And that's what happens, and I think it works when you're winning, but like the way Bill runs a team, it's not good when

you're losing. And what you're hearing a lot of is the stuff that Mike is alluding to with Kendrick Bourne, and I know that was where I think Mac was coming from, this desire to get the ball downfield, and they're very frustrated with a lot of the short stuff. And I think that the call is right because the short stuff is great, but they don't have a lot of guys that can do much with it short and make it a bigger chunk place. Yeah, have you've been reading,

said the Daniels. But you know and and that, and like I I don't blame that. I want Mac to be upset. I just don't like the demonstrative stuff on the side. But he's very emotional, but you know, very emotion We say, you know, we don't have receivers that can do anything once they get the ball. Well, when's the less time like we've really seen a guy hit and stride. Yeah, you know, we saw that against Minnesota a couple of times. I'm not absolving you know of

Myers was had a deep cross. It was a mid crosser. You hit him and stride and it's a thirty yard game and and he airport And Born seems like he's like letting it all out tonight. He had and I know the game was over at the time, but he had an opportunity to make a play. And as he was catching the ball, he would have been cutting right inside Xavier Rhodes, who I thought took a poor angle

to the outside and he dropped it. Yeah, Like he's catching the ball, he's full of all what's right, And meanwhile every time they go to him now it's a mistake. Like I think Born is like what Fred is complaining about with Mac times ten, Like you know, he's barely even been a contributor. I mean, I've never seen a receiver or any player really in the Patriots, you know, say these things that you know he's saying right now, which is just, you know, it's not the Patriot way.

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don't try to tell me he was good hearty. Live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy. A couple of emails here, chatt in Atlanta is a time for Craft to clean house. I feel like if this were any other team in the NFL would be expecting them to fire everyone and start fresh. The only reason people won't say it about the Patriots it's because they're the Patriots. There is an element of this. I think certainly with Bill Belichick you kind of alluded to that earlier. Paul.

It's like, well, you know, you're you know, you're talking about Bill and you're talking about a resume that gives you a certain amount of wiggle room. But think about this from an outsider perspective. What 'all was trying to do. If you're looking at this team from the outside, you're whoever the coach is, you know, whatever was, you know, whoever they are and whatever. And it's tough to find

a comp for Belichick because there really isn't one. But couldn't you be saying, like, oh my god, they really got a clean house there. If you're if you're looking at the situation that you had a guy that didn't have his resume, you'd be asking those kinds of questions. You have a young quarterback who seems to be regressing, who usually gets playing for that, well, he's not developing the quarterback. He's the first round pick, but that's out of the question. He's not right. The thing the Paul

always goes to is losing the locker room. When you lose the locker room, that's when all bets are off and you know, I'm not going to say that he's losing the locker room right now, but I think you're seeing a team that is very, very frustrated right now

by how things are going. And understandably so, I've been watching them for four months whatever it's been, and I'm frustrated watching it because they just there's been no progress, which is to me the most surprising thing that you would think that after all this time they would have found something, some kind of consistency. But being Fresno, before we get to Mac Jones speed, what do you got? Um? Wow?

That was that was pretty pitiful, disgraceful, offensive performance. But I was thinking about Fred's comments about Robert Kraft and just Max's apparent, you know, annoyance on the sideline the end. Maybe maybe it's like, um, it's kind of like we got to think about how we're going to carve up the blame pie. And I know I know my because I've cared about max performance probably above all else this season. I've been focusing on what he does well and what

he does poorly. Like I focus on how long the balls takes to get the sideline into flat. I mean, like I focused on that and I probably discount a little bit with the the negative influence that patricious incompetence has on that. I think that anybody's trying to think about all this stuff probably needs to think of about it like somebody like a good businessman like Craftwood, which is that like, all of these things are mattering. So

I don't know how you solve that. And it's also just I would imagine that in the Patriot with the Patriot way, where you're just supposed to be kind of like a cog and just go with the flow and do your job, I'd imagine like having a sense of personal frustration would be even more damaging than than maybe in other places which allowed more free expression. What do

you guys think? Again, they're going to point to the history of the team and the way things been done here for a while, and you know, how much do you how much do you blow up even even as an owner, and like, how much do you look at and say how much this realistically needs to change? And if we're being even more honest looking back to last week against Minnesota, how many people are saying that this

offense needs to be totally retooled. You know, it's just it's not it's not working at all on any level. You know. You know, this is the difference that we makes. And I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, who is coaching the offense right now and what that means going forward. But you know, when you spe asked that question, Curtain Chapel Hill says, you know, how many teams are in worse positions than the Patriots right now when you consider he says, no quarterback, no

offensive line, no offensive weapons, no linebackers, no proven cornerbacks. Well, I heard a much different story literally one week ago, right you know, like, wow, dude, are you are you there as team in the league? Are there? There are middle of the six. They're in the middle of the

league right now. This is where most teams live. You know, if you want to, if you wanted to be really negative, like like some of you know, some of these reactions have been, you could make an argument that they're you know, fortunate to be six and six. They haven't really lost a game that they quote unquote should have won, but they've won one or two that they easily could have. I have won the Chicago game. They got blown out for it. It wasn't even close, I know, but they

should have won that. They shouldn't have been blown out. No, no, if you want to tell me, they have no business getting blown out by the Bear. But they had no chance to win that game. Like they had a chance to lose both Jets games. They had a chance to lose the Pittsburgh game. They haven't really won a game. I mean, they haven't really lost a game that they quote unquote should have won, right right, And I mean, but you know, just last year they were second place.

The AFC's probably third place. They lost to Miami twice. This year they're probably gonna be fourth place, probably not make the playoffs. So you know what direction is it hadn't I think it's pretty clear. I think the team has been very similar to last year. The difference is that Miami and the Jets have gotten better and our offense has gone completely incompetent. Well, everybody's talking about Mac Jones and him being on the sideline and what he

was yelling and who he was yelling at too. He has asked about it here relatively early on in his press conference. So let's hear from the quarterback. Mac. There's a video going around right now from the broadcast where it's showing you on the sidelines and showing you appear to be frustrated, where it appears that you're saying something along the lines of throw the FF and BALLU the

F and something game sucks. Can you share with us what exactly is being said in that moment or what was frustrating in that time as opposed to letting internet lip readers take care of it. Yeah, obviously, just kind of let my emotions get to me. But you know, we're kind of playing from behind, and what I said was about throwing it deeper within the short game. You know, I got to execute that part better. But it's the short game that we kept going to, which is working.

But I felt like we needed chunk plays and you know, I shouted that out to kind of get everyone going. And that's emotional, that's football. I'm passionate about this game, and obviously you don't want to get your emotions let you get the best of you. But yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it. Like it wasn't directed in anybody, just emotion coming out, and we kind of needed a spark.

So when you're playing from behind against a really good team and a good offense, you need to go out there and make better plays, and that starts with me. So definitely wasn't good enough by me tonight. And all you can do is wash the tape and see where we can get better. But playing catchups hard. We didn't want to do that all game, and I didn't do a good enough job getting the head early and making it work. So a tough one, but hats off to

the Bills for playing a good game. Mac. Obviously a sober atmosphere in the locker room you mentioned a little bit, But what's the frustration level like for this locker room now? Especial on the offense. Yeah, I think, Um, we didn't play our best game obviously, and we let our team down. And I think when we all play together, you know, the defense, special teams, and offense, when we finally get a chance to do that, I think the results will be there. So we didn't do that on offense. I

thought the defense is great, special teams are great. So got you know, more games to be played. Season's not over, and I gotta watch the tape and see what we can do better and just have a positive attitude. You know, that's a good football team that we played against tonight, and we'll have to play against them again. So you gotta give credit where credits due, and yeah, just gotta work harder. Mac. There was a third in sixth play right before the half of your twenty nine yardline. Look

like you were pressure. Do you end up throwing the ball out of bounds? Did you look down the field thinking maybe I can pick up the ball with my feet or did you or was the pressure just there that you know, no choice just throw it out of bounds. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think. Um, I think there was twenty two seconds. We didn't have any timeouts, and if you take a sack, not only do you lose yards, but you don't have a timeout. So you know, we would have to run the field goal team on with

a sack, maybe out of range. It's a tough thing to do with twenty two seconds left. So I threw it away and play for the field goal. Um. I'll have to watch the tape and see if I could have done something differently. But that's something we focus on a lot here, is situational awareness, and that was the right play for that time. All right, Well, he did throw that one away. If it's the one I'm thinking of, I think it ended up about twelve rows up. It

was a good play. Yeah, Actually I'm totally with back on that. Yeah. Yeah, and look on the bad List tonight, Nick Folk needs to make that kick. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you brought that up. I thought you were avoiding it. I wasn't avoiding it. And I look, even the tired leg, even with the tired leg, and even in the you know, the the hurricane force wins, you know, against the Jets. No, he needed to make, but at

least one of the ones that he missed there. It's so you can see he's not going to be able to get the first down. And if he does get the first down, he's watching it as he comes out here, he has a guy chasing him, and there's a guy right there for the Bills. Okay, so if he gets the first down, he's gonna have to cut inside the half ends. They're not getting the field goal unit on the field. So I thought, did he handled that play

really well? And I would say contrast that to last week in Minnesota, right when he had a brain cramp and took a sack in a situation where you can't. Oddly I feel a tiny bit better after listening to him the way he answered that first question, and he said, you know, what he said essentially is right. They weren't picked to win this game by most people. That is a good football team that they played tonight. This is not one of the wins that I know that I had circled as a game that they had to win

down the stretch. Here, Um, and there's six and six. You're a middle of the pack football team right now. There are games left to be played. But yeah, you ended up losing a game tonight that I thought you were going to lose. So trying to keep things in perspective, those are my final thoughts, Fred, What are your final thoughts from the game? Is it? Were you not ready? I'll come back to you, dude, What are your final thoughts on the game tonight? H more of the same.

This is who the twenty twenty two Patriots are. It's it's frustrating and unfortunate. You put in all this time and you know, get to this point you come to the realization that that's what it is. We'll see what they have over these last five games. If they pack it in and totally give up, or if they you know, fight a little bit and and make it interesting. But I think this pretty much sealed their fate for the season. Well,

I couldn't agree more with Mike. I think meet the twenty twenty two Patriots same as the twenty twenty one Patriots, just not quite good enough against quality competition. And to Fred's point about the ten three game, that there's one pattern of a game that they've displayed that they can win, and that's get a lead, make the other team chase and keep it, you know, somewhat low scoring, and once it gets out out of hand, once you get down

by two scores. I felt like the entire because I thought there was I mean, but there was some juice in the stadium, snite and they went down seventeen seven in the game, I may as well have been over the way you kind of laid it out though. They to have a lead and it was a low scoring game for the most part time, but they were chasing all night, like they had they had lead early. They never had the ball in the lead. It's my point,

like they never had the ball in the lead. They got up seven three, they didn't have the ball after seven three, the Bills scored first, the Patriots matched it, and then the Patriots, I mean the Bill scored again, and that was game. That was a game over man. So there's only one way they have of winning, and that's getting a lead and making the other team chase

all night. A low scoring game. There were a lot of things obviously that bothered me about this game, but none rattled me more than Bill coming out with that cloak. I had never seen that before and I never want to see it again. Yeah, that's that's kind doesn't make it into the hoodie blog. Can't wear that? I think I think I'm gonna make a special occasion for it because I feel like it's so unique and this game

was such a sah sandwich. You can't wear those types of cloaks if you're not if you don't have the black boot cleat, you can't have a powder blue mic caused my cleat. Yeah, and if you want to know what's work that different attire was, you have to subscribe to Mike Juso dot com because that's behind the paywall. Yeah, a halftime change, halftime attire is behind it. I'll do a video private video halftime it's from a Patreon just

give just give that away. All of a sudden, we were in the NFC North Plan at Metropolitics in the fifties. You know, I was waiting for some guy to come out of it, like Jabrol Peppers came onto the field with it on at one point tonight and he like threw it off. It was like on the field of place I wanted to go and get it. Jab Yeah, well, let's Peppers. If we can't agree to find any optimism at all, can we at least focusing on the fact that we as a as a show. I had the

weekend off and technically next weekend off too. Yeah, sure, all right Monday they're going to be in Arizona. Yeah, so, um Monday, a week from Monday, I should say the game in Arizona and then we'll have that Vegas game that Mike could get flexed all right in play At this point people are saying about flexing, and somebody said, can they get flexed into next season? I'm not dealing with adversity. Well, but for everybody involved in the show tonight,

thank you so much for helping us put together. Thank you all the call s a we didn't get to a lot of the emails tonight. There's a lot of them, but a lot of us are saying the same things after the Patriots lose. I will say I said it at the beginning. I'll say it again now unceremoniously to the Bills tonight at Gilette Stadium. Your final score for the final time, Patriots ten Bills twenty four. That's for you, Paul. Thank you for listening and watching. Thank you for downloading

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