Patriots Postgame Show 11/28: Takeaways from gritty win over the Titans

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total on the sixth pack. Everything else is good about the day, but that part, those two parts of it not great. Welcome into the Patriots Postgame Show, where the Patriots with another resounding victory today, this time over the Tennessee Titans at Gillette Stadium. Hardy Paul Perillo might do so here with you for a couple hours. You're more than welcome to join us here. Ace ticket hotline is eight five five PATS five hundred. Email the show web

radio at Patriots dot com. We'll get to all of your calls and as many emails as we can as we start to dissect what was a much closer game than I think it should have been throughout a good portion of it, certainly through the first half, and yet it doesn't look close at all on the go way you thought it would get. But yeah, I would agree it did not get tay they that a lot of

people felt. So just my initial takeaway before we get to the good, the bad and the training room, is that Mac Jones for the first half of the day, even though he ended up throwing for a ton of yards and had some really really nice throws, including ah, you know, back to backs to Jacoby Myers there in the second quarter, Uh, did not look very sharp today and it looked like maybe that cold weather game was

actually happening to Mac Jones again. The final thirty six thirteen and a ton of yards in the air wouldn't speak to it. But um, once again the Patriots overcoming with with a good defensive performance and really a power offense that that got things done when they needed to. Yeah. I thought the offense was really good today. Yeah. Really you thought Mac Jones was good today? No, I didn't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but I thought overall, the

offense I thought was was really good. I thought they moved the ball every pretty much between the twenties. Between the twenties, I thought a good Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna start just with the with the run defense, which I mean, it's just it's glaring. Of course, It's like I try to come in here with a like a positive attitude. Yeah, you know, I overlooked the fact that they wanted two hundred yard rushers because what do I always tell you? I know, well, I think that was

just doesn't matter for me. That's the most surprising part of the game. And I I do I do give credit to h to the Patriots passing offense, because you know, I think the rushing offense was largely ineffective early in the game, and they were able to find some holes in the zones. I don't think the red zone execution was particularly great. I don't think their third down execution particularly great. But I think the offense did enough. They didn't turn the ball over. I think that was a

big key today. Had you know Mac Jones store interception coughed up a fumble something like that, I think it might have closed the gap. But that was one of those days where the fact that you protected the football was the difference. Yeah, and the plus three in the turnovers, and you know, the rushing performance by Tennessee, you know against the Patriots defense was disappointing. And I thought, really the missed extra point, the missfield goal, uh, and then

the three meaningful turnovers. I know they got one at the end where with Tavai which we were running down here when it happened. But I didn't, I know, because if I had gone to Bruce's locker, I might have got yelled at. Yeah. That's why I worked at Infoye Pobbly. Um. So I think those elements, um, you know, stepped up and offset some of the problems that they had during

the game against the run, which was just surprising. I didn't I didn't think that that was, you know, really in the cards today to see you know, those those big breakdowns with a huge gain, I mean that that that sixty one yard or whatever it was, that's just, you know, it's not acceptable. But overall, hey, six straight wins excellent, Kendrick Bourne continues to impress, and uh, it's it's it's a good win. You got to you gotta take it at this point of the year. Yeah, I

would agree with Mike. I think there were more positives. Uh, you know, there was definitely some things. It wasn't perfect out there today. This was not a great all around effort. But offensively, I thought they were really good. Um, whatever they were dialing up in the passing game was working guys wide open in soft zones. I thought Jacoby Myers was was really effective. I thought you got the two exceptional touchdowns from Kendrick Bourne, and and yeah, I agree Hardy.

I don't think Mac was as razor sharp as I've seen them. I thought even some of the completions looked like they were, you know, just kind of just there and getting guys hit like as soon as they caught the ball, because I thought the timing was a little off but overall, you know, you racked up close to four hundred yards of offense. I think they only punted once all day. Um, you know, this is a pretty and they didn't get anything out of the running games,

So this was all in the passing games. That was kind of to my point. And it was something that Jim Louth had pointed out too when I was watching the game with him when it was sixteen thirteen and a half. He said, the Pats haven't punted, and they haven't turned the ball over and have got all these yards and there are up three. What's what's what's going on? Yeah? The only thing is the Titans hadn't punted and had all those yards and missed a field goal, missed an

extra point, and fumbled inside the thirty. Like that's why you had the lead? Yeah, I And I think a lot of it stems from, like, you know, hiccups after big plays, after the big run, the fumble at the end of it from Tennessee. Yeah, you know, there were moments like that that just swung your way and and and and again. We talked about this a little bit in the pregame. You know, try and capitalize on those mistakes.

And some of the mistakes were just glaring. Others were you know, they were put into position where they, you know, they had to, I think, maybe try and make some plays that they really didn't want to. They were forced into some you know, third and long and fourth and long situations, and you know the defense stepped up in those. So, you know, I would give credit to the defense first, and say the Patriots offense, while it started slow and they stalled out, as you said, certainly found a way

to get into the end zone at the end. You mentioned the Born touchdowns, the one where he tiptoed down the sideline. I don't know how he stayed in. Yeah, I do know. It's you know, I think whoever was the corner that came over and tried to push him out thought that all I have to do is topple him. I don't know how you played defense in that league, and I understand how those things happened because I wouldn't touch him there either, because they just look at him.

He looked he looked like he was getting ready to step out of bounds. And you can't risk, all right, a fifteen yard penalty that close to me if you and if you launch yourself to make sure that you hit him and he happens to step out on his own, you're getting flagged. Yeah, I mean it's as simple as that. So I don't like I really, I don't know how they do it. I don't know how they they avoid those penalties as often as they do, because they certainly

look like they're trying to call penalties. Yeah, that's half the game. It looks like they're trying to call a penalty on something. Let's get to our good, the bad and the training room on this Patriots Pulse game show, which is presented by cyber Reason. Here we go. Now it's time for the goody goodeper pretty good, the bad. If you were in my toilet ball, I wouldn't bother flushing and the training room. You you want a backrupt presented by Theragun. By the way, I do not want

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whatever these muscles are, they're great. All over here growing everything. Nobody can see me. Everything good. I need a little shoulder work myself actually when I get home tonight. But that in the moment. Let's start with a good for the Patriots. Mike did so you lead us off. Yeah, I'm gonna start with just Kendrick Bourne. I'll keep it going with him. He continues to come on here and uh, you know, excellent catch there on the first touchdown. I

mean it was ridiculous. That was a ridiculously good catch and a good, real good player covering him too and bired and uh you know, Mac I thought put it out there for him, had a guy coming in his face, so he had to have a little bit touch on it too. Um, alright, nice spot. I don't know, but Paul disagrees on that. No, no, no, no, you're working blue again. I can't like that. What do you mean nothing,

I'll get you off. It's double on time. I don't even I can't even keep track of um, but but I think born Um, like you guys said, on that run down the sideline, so it just was like he's out of bounce right, he's wait, you got you gotta put you and then he's in. Like it was just I went through a whole process there mentally being like, I think it's just gonna be a medium gain and then credit to him to keep going so he keeps showing up. Then it's it's just what the passing game needs. Yeah,

and that was a huge play. Was a third and five, I think too. And if they don't get that there and they're forced to kick another field goal or even if they were in field goal range, I'm not even sure, but that that changed the complexion that gives them the you know that that insurance touchdown. So yeah, I agree with Kendrick Bourn one hundred percent. I'm gonna stick with the receivers and go to Jacobe Myers, who I thought

was really good, especially in the first half. He had the one drop um and that one was one that Mike and I kind of put on Mac for kind of hanging him out to dry a little bit and having the ball weight he was waiting on. It was wide open and he had to wait a little bit longer and took a hit. But but overall, myers, uh, you know, five catches ninety eight yards, a couple of big plays thirty eight yard or for him, not to think,

at least one other over twenty yards. So I thought he was a pretty pretty productive again, which is good because I had mentioned in the pregame show that I felt like he had sort of gone into a little bit of a lull. It was nice to see him break out of that and more resemble the guy we saw the first ten weeks or so. I probably had a lot to do with his father's saying hello to Deuce in the hallway this morning. That was instrumental. I think. I think it's all about, you know, the karmen and

the chi and everything surrounding gave. I gave him my key to the game too. I was just when the trenches, that's what it's going to be. Just let everybody know we had we had a tough keys to the games. Yeah, yeah, I don't kind of right. Didn't really materialized so much. I don't even know my worst I don't feel bad about it. I admires down also, Paul, the back to back receptions of twenty and twenty two yards or just huge.

It just it showed early on he's a weapon. You were going to have to account for him all day, right, and that changes, you know, regardless of what the Titans defense was thinking. That either solidifies their notion that they're going to have to attention to him or it's like, oh boy, he might be the guy today. So that was good. I have John hu Smith on my good list for today. There was the early run, the only run of the day that he had, but he picked up nine yards on that. He had another catch on

that same drive. I believe in terms of receiving he only had three catches, but he went for forty nine yards on those three. Yeah, and I thought he was a real weapon today. Three impactful plays, you know, in receptions I would agree. I would agree with that one too. Wow, we're all on the way having a littlekumbayam. We're all in agreeance so far on our good list. Who else he got their reduce? I'm gonna put Mac on there too. Um and and I just think it was a solid,

solid game for him. Yeah, yeah, I'm giving you the duce s Grimmace. Yeah, I wrote solid productive, solid, solid productive day. I mean it's a second you know, career, three hundred yard game. Just there was nothing going on on the ground, and I thought between the twenties he had some downfield passes, he found some guys that were

open um. I mean, twenty three to thirty two, three ten two tds, no interceptions, took a couple of sacks, but it's almost not turn the ball over and not making one of those game changing mistakes that I felt like, you know, Tennessee hanging around, hanging around, needed the Patriots to kind of give him something. The Patriots never did give them anything. And I credit that to Mac the way he led the offense and you know, delivered downfield passing.

I mean it's it's three hundred yard yard day. This doesn't happen all the time with him. So look, he was twenty three to thirty two for three, two touchdowns and as he said, no picks. So I can't put him on the bad list, and I wouldn't. I would keep him off the good list today though, because he threw a couple of hospital balls. He was he was off on his timing on a couple of those throws. There was the one screen where I don't know what he did that he threw it at the feet of

and that was really close. I'm surprised they didn't take a look at that. Rabel didn't ask me. That was really close to being a backward pass. And then the very next snap he threw one into a linebacker's hands, dropped it. I mean, those were bad plays. And to Mike's point, that's what Tennessee needed to win the game. Is they needed some breaks and they didn't get any of them, and mostly because they didn't take advantage of

the opportunities they had. He had a wide open Hunter Henry or his man beat by three or four steps, and he threw it three yards out in front of him. You gotta know your receiver. You gotta know it's Hunter Henry, and he doesn't have the speed you're you can drop it in, he said. I there were too many of those plays. I can't put him on the good list today. I will not. I do not co sign in any way. It's not that I'm okay with it. If you want him on there, I don't want him on there. That's fair.

You really dissect those nine in completions very well, and I agree with you. Oh you know what, he was lights out. He's the reason. He's the reason they want it. Very snarky. No, he's the reason they want dude, you're right. You convinced me otherwise, I'll hang up and listen. No, he was good. You drive home and listen to my response. I'm gonna get my popcorn. I love not being involved. Yeah, he wasn't good today. He didn't thought he was good.

He was not. He wasn't good. I wag in Yeah, with the tide breaking vote, Yeah, I think it was good. I'd be more onduce side. I totally recognize all of the place. It's out. You're gonna get your cover. Tampa Bay just scored about a minute left. I'm going to guess that they probably didn't want him to score that touchdown though that extends the game. Oh there's only twenty

seconds left. Never mind. I would I would venture more on Mike's side only, And I think that he definitely had some bad throws in this game, probably more than we've normally seen from him. And I'm not talking about nineteen completions, So you can save your snark. I did think that there were a handful of passes that were completed today that weren't very good throws. In addition to missing the Hunter Henry miss was huge. That wasn't as

easy a throw as you can get. Now. That negated the throw that Tannehill missed to Chester Rogers on the previous possession, because I felt like that that's a throw that probably should have been completed too. But I have to give mac Jones. If I'm going to put them on one side or the other, I'm gonna put them on the good list, because I just feel like they didn't have any thing going offensively other than him, you know, other than the passing game, and I thought he consistently

found open guys. Now, some of those guys were wide open, but I mean that part of it is is getting the ball. The Texans had opportunities to do that and tanne Hill couldn't take advantage of them. And I think, I mean part of that is, you know, tann Hill didn't have anybody to throw to. I get that, but I just felt like, with no running game at all, he was able to rack up a lot of yards

today and I have to give him credit for that. Yeah, I just I don't see him as as going out there and doing anything beyond what you know and an average to above average quarterback would give you on that day under those circumstances. Well, yeah, I mean I didn't say it was like a Hall of Fame worthy performance, right, I just put him on we're talking about the standout good just one of them on the good list. Okay, well he doesn't. He doesn't belong on either list. Three.

You can look at the stats. You can tell me the stats all you want. If at some point you have to look back and say, wow, those stats don't watch it don't match the game I just watched. And that's what today I'll tell you with what today. The score does not match the game. The game was a lot closer than thirty six or thirteen will indicate, has no doubt about that. And I would say mac Jones did not have a three hundred from from what I saw, it didn't look like a three hundred ten yard two

touchdown note picks passing day. It didn't look like it didn't feel like it watching the game. Yeah, I mean I would agree with you, but to an extent, I'm like the two touchdowns, for example, were both unbelievable plays by Kendrick Bourne. Yes, not unbelievable passes by Mac Jones. Well tell Deuce. I thought the first one was pretty good. I thought the first one he sure he had a short and that's how Bayard got his hand in there.

I just thought it was an unbelievable cat. I thought that was one of the best catches that I've seen the boorn catch. To have the guy's arm in the middle, it kind of reminded me of the Tyree thing, only not on the helmet, like Rodney's arm was in like that should that should not be caught. That was an unbelievable play. Very good. All right, who you got there? Paul? My up next? Yeah? Oh, just to reiterate, I agree with Deuce. I think I think Max should have been

on the good List. Why don't you two do the show? I mean, it's okay, it's all right, we'll move on. I was, I am. I am going to put it. I don't think there was a tremendous amount that went right today defensively, but I'm gonna put Kyle van Noy on the list, on the good list for a handful of past deflections today. Just you know, getting up and knocking one down, had another one that he had one

underneath that he almost picked off. He was involved. Now, I think the ball bounced off the guy's hands and then he knocked it away in the end zone. But prior to the pick for J. C. Jackson, But I thought Van Noy he left the game really briefly, came back and I thought he made some place. So I had him on my good list. I thought I thought he was the one who got the hand on it on the JC Jackson picked. That was mccording But that was that was a very good game once again for

Kyle van Noy. We'll see if he gets drug tested again as he did after the every time he plays. The last time, the last time, he had a good game. What's the problem, Paul? We had Fred and I had to think about, Oh now, we can get to that later because someone else said, you know, how can they do that? Isn't it obvious? I said, I do think it's random. I don't think it has anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the performance. Okay now, and the insinuation was that it did, yes, and now it's

revisionist history. But okay, so I agree with you all right, all right, good, um, let's put him on there. Nick Folk. Well, I mean he had the one miss from long range, but he came back and he made a fifty two yard or I mean, and if you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe Christopher Gasper, who is a journalist with a capital J Boston Globe. What this is. This is

what he tweeted out half an hour ago. One area that this team definitely feels a little two thousand and one ish is with the field goal kicker being one of the team's best players. Folk is a weapon, and he might be the and he might be the best player on the team team relative to his position. He's

up there with Judan and J. C. Jackson. That's I mean, you just look at I don't understand what that means, the best player on his team relative to his position if you compare how he plays his position to others around the league. Obviously, because there's only one, you know, field goal kicker. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I think he's been absolutely unbelievable, unbelievable, and he's been money.

I mean, you just watch the Titans guys when they were missing the extra points and the field goals and just what that does to the psychology of your team. You take it for granted, Well, you shouldn't take it for granted for the Patriots. Oh, I mean I actually miss spoke. You should take it for granted if your Patriots, because that's what happens, they miss them all. Folk was five field goal kickers, are now fourteen for twenty three

unfield goals against the Patriots. That's insane. Meanwhile, Folk five of six today with the long of fifty two yards, and he was three for three on his extra points, responsible for half the points the Patriots put up today in the thirty six and until the very end of the game they needed them all. Yeah, didn't we have somebody in the pregame who said that Folk was going to kick up fifty two yard or to seal things up when they when the Pats were up like twenty

four thirteen. Yeah, didn't somebody say something to that? God me now for your pre reading, all right, boss man Fred Kirsch joining us on the Patriots postgame presented by a cyber reason. I Fred, Hello, Hardy, how are we good? Yeah? Really good? You look like you're ready to hatch one on me. What do you got something to take a shot. He always comes in with an ulterior motive. Yeah, he's got something to say. Oh and I'm listening to you guys, Mac Jones. Good list, bad list, no list, um overall,

I'd put him on the good list. Yeah, I mean he had some You have three choices. You can go good, bad, or not on either one. Yeah. I put him on the good list because they needed him to make some throws and he did because they couldn't run the ball. That's what I said. The offense was all on the passing game. Yeah. Now I don't think he made any exceptional throws, but he had three ten yards passing and two touchdowns. Did you turn the ball over? Right? That's

a good list. It's a good list. I think it's that angle you guys watch from. I don't think you're seeing you were correct on that, okay, because if I do often get miss misled. If not him, who do you put from offense on the good list? Pubers? Kendrick Bourne? Somebody got him the ball? Yeah, but I mean those plays were unbelieved born and was ken Kendrick Bourne's touchdowns result of the great path that was thrown or him

doing incredible things. That three yard flip that he turns out for forty one yards right on the money, or allowed him to turn up field right on the money. Morning was opened by six yards listen by did I have a guy in the zip code? By listen tighter than last week against by Mac Jones rookie standards, that was a good day for him. We're not doing it by Mac Jones. Rookie standards are in week twelve. I mean this, this is what happens when we agree this

is not He eventually makes me. I mean, listen, he had some errand throws um, but like Paul said, he took care of the ball. I'm I'm with what Mac did today, all right? So what else we got? We fought the good fun I mean I I like Paul said, I think some of the defense stuff, I all those guys are hopping down today. And as much as I want to say Jude on for you know the sacks, you know, said a couple of penalties. I just thought a lot of the guys were up and down. I

think I'm pretty good with with the good list. I thought there were some solid performances, but nobody else jumping out to me that I need to put on the just individual plays like I had Bolden, you know, for his production on the screens. Uh catches four catches fifty four yards and the first one was huge to set up the first touchdown, which uh, you know he had a short field day. You had to score a touchdown on that drive third and ten. He picks it up

with the screen. But yeah, I mean it's just um, you know, it's like I thought the forced fumble that jac Jackson had on the long run by Foreman was an enormous play Bolden, it's an enormous played by Jay C. Jackson. I don't know, no great recovery by Mills on the sideline to make sure he stayed in bound. Bolden may have had one game this year where he was you know there, you know, best weapon, you know what, you know that you could make an argument for. I don't

think he will be that in any given week. But consistently he's a guy who's going to give you plays. He's definitely softened the blow of the loss of life. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like he's strictly third down guy like White. They might mix in a little bit here and there, but but Bolden it seems like they save him for those key moments. Yeah, any other goods you want to get to, guys, just let me say folk of course, right,

oh yeah, I just like I said, individual plays. I thought Jalen Mills had a great play on a third down, a key third down when the Titans got the ball with a chance to take the lead at the start of the second half. And I was a terrible throw by Tanny Hill, but he makes a nice pass deflection to knock that away. And I thought mccordy's playing the end zone. End of the game. Yeah, McCody knocking that ball.

And on the fourth down if they score a touchdown there, it's twenty six, twenty the fourth quarter, it's game on. There was a remark made in the booth about jac Jackson. Does anyone have any Is there anyone in the league who has more easy interceptions this year than jac Jackson? And the answer is probably no. But also still have

to come down with them. And you know, we said it in the in the in the game, I don't know, so I said, he has good hands, He has good hands, you know, you still got to come down with them. And that one today. Look, it's deflected. It's it's it's not an absolute layup, but you know he's there and he makes the play. I gotta imagine anyone who's leading the league and interceptions in any year has some easy ones. They're not all seven easy ones. They're not all of mate. No,

he's had some on the side. Oh no, oh, let us go to Jacoby Myers here with the thirty six thirteen win over the Titans today. Jacoby, we were just singing your praises. What a great game today. Congratulations. I appreciate that. Thank you. Hey, Jacoby saw your dad before the game. Game a little fist bump. He came up and said, hello, So I'm sure he enjoyed the performance today. That's why you guys had a great game. Yeah, I

think so. Yeah, your jersey on it seemed like, of course is that so, you know, just a big, big game for you today. How did the field to just get out there? You guys really had it seemed like you had to take to the air a little bit to move the ball. Man, It felt it was it was a fun game. You know, everybody all o receive commas, just went out there and play the hearts out to day and it was definitely. I was definitely proud to

be part of group today. So the fact that we just all fought together and got the dub that was just a real exciting game. Were you guys a little bit surprised that the running game, which has been such a big part of the offense to Kobe the last few weeks, you know, it was a little bit slow getting going today, and you guys had a lot more of the burden, like Mike said, on your shoulders. What allowed you to sort of get things gone with some of the big players. I think he had consecutive twenty

plush yard catches in the first half. What allowed you guys to get going Just the mentality of the room. You know, we all feel like we can make any play at any time, So we just gotta be ready for when our number is called. And if you see all the guys out there, whenever they get a chance to go out there making play, they out there giving maximum effort, making tough catches. I mean, you've seen Nail, You've seen kb you know what I mean. So whatever they need us to do, we just try to do

our best to do that. Paul just mentioned those back to back receptions of twenty twenty two yards. Are you do you find yourself like in a zone within the zone at that moment in the game where you think, you know what, if you just give me the ball two more times, we're gonna make it into the end zone. Man, It's just a situation like that. You're just trying to

whatever come your way. You want to do the best with it, you know, And I mean I like to It sucks that the run game wasn't working because I feel like that could have been a total dominant performance by the offense. But like I said, whenever we get a chance to make them plays, you definitely got to lock in a little bit more in and leave no food on the table. Chico, I just want to ask you about Kendrick. I mean, two big touchdowns from him today.

You know, for you kind of being the veteran guy, he came in this spring, new guy, new free agent, learning the system. I know, you know you helped them probably as much as you could. What's it like for you, as a veteran of this system to see another receiver kind of coming here and for it all to really start clicking for him? Man, I'm so happy because, like you said, I've been here every step of the way since you got here, and just seeing how he's just

rejecting forward and just getting better every day. Like these plays. It plays i've seen him making practice, so now that it's all clicking for him, it definitely made me happy. You know, we all wanted to make great play at Lei, nikkille Gunner, all of us. Just seeing KB come in and what he's been through when he first got here and where he's at now, man and definitely make you proud of him. Freddy, do you have something? No, just hey,

how you doing? Tooby just wants to say hi, saying hey, I did want to ask before I let you go, Jacobe. Mike had just mentioned that second touchdown for for Kendrick Bourne. You had a big play on that without really doing a tremendous amount, but you had a chance to make a block facing back towards your goal line, and it looked to me like you recognized it right away through your hands up in the air and just basically set

a screen. Is that? What is that? How you guys are taught on that to avoid that hit back going towards your end of the field. Oh yeah, definitely they changed that rule I think last year probably where you can't go back and fortunately hit the guys. It's going back to your line, screamers. So I was just trying to make the smart play. I knew KP typoul dudes, you get him some space and he didn't make some magic sake though. That's all I was trying to just

get them free. Yeah, big play, Yeah it was, and it all culminated in nice victory for you guys today. So congratulations on the win, and we appreciate you taking the time, Jacoby. Thank you, appreciate your shows. All right, we'll see it, Jacoby Myers, and we thank Microsoft for helping us out once again getting that player on the line. Microsoft Windows eleven, the official operating system of the NFL

and the New England Patriots. The all new Windows eleven is here to bring you closer to what you love. Like the Patriots postgame show learned about all the awesome new features of Windows eleven at Windows dot com. I wanted to ask him, but we had already talked about Born a little bit. Didn't want to talk about too many other players. I just want to make sure that they're being nice to the kicker. You know, I feel like sometimes the kicker hasn't really thought of as being

like one of the players. I just wanted to say he'd being nice to Nick. I mean, he's he's doing a good job this year. They ought to carry his equipment everywhere he goes. I'm telling I mean, but they I mean the way the way the way kickers get talked about outside of the room, With the exception maybe of Vinetary Vinetarry, you know, it seemed like a football player.

Every other kicker in the league, it seems like it's like, well I would say that, you know, the three main kickers, you know, Folk, Vinetarry, and Gaskowski seemed to be more than kickers on this team. You know, like they always were willing to make tackles if needed. They just on this team, they seem to be more part of being a football player than maybe on some other teams. I

was just gonna say. I heard Belichick this week. They was asked about Folk talking about you know, I've learned things about the game from Nick that I never knew I like before, And I mean it just thinks like I don't think of Nick Folk in the in the Gastowski Vinitary category. In terms of making like I think if he was the last guy back, you'd be like, Bill, he stuck up my beer, let me take let me take it. Um that he doesn't have to kick. Yeah. I mean, however, it is they seem more part of

the players than a lot of other teams. I hope, so less standoffish, you know. Uh, I love this. Um we got for once, Yeah, for once, we got the play renterview done before we started bad, which was not that Jos was in any danger of being I thought They're gonna have the run defense on the line, and I'm like, oh, oh, literally, the whole run deepen, the entire front seven now joining us via conference call. So

I don't think we did well. Should I kick it off with the bad then and just stay run defense? And uh, you know we're talking to Paul walking down and be like this doesn't feel like one of those things where hey, we're just gonna let them run all over us, and then that way we know Ryan Tannell isn't going to do anything. Um. I think it was just the big plays to the big plays in the run game that that I mean, that's sixty one yard

or that I mentioned. Um, it's just it's surprising. I mean, if they've been really controlling the line of scrimmage, I thought they were getting pushed around a little bit, that guys were getting blocked on the second level and that was you know, enabling them to get free in the Russian game. And you know, really he kept it a close game for a while. If not for for those turnovers that the Patriots gout, it really could have been a different matchup. You needed three to put them away.

I mean, it was basically a six point game if you don't get that third turnover. And you know, to Mike's point, like this wasn't just a big plays like they had ninety eight they had a sixty eight yard running, the thirty yard run, ninety eight yards on two runs, they would have still had one hundred and seventy yards.

That's a good point because I looked at it. I look at the big plays and Mike talking about like getting the blocks on the second level on those big plays, they were kind of slow developing plays where I'm thinking, at number one, how was he not swallowed up to begin with? After it seemed like an eternity to get through the first level. But when you get to the second How are those guys not ready? They get bored, you know, just thinking that the play is over and

you're right about the pile. Like Fred was making comments like in the third quarter like they just had to drive going and it was like the whole thing it was three four yards before contact. Yeah, you know, like everything was just getting pushed backward. You know, they were getting There was a play there was a cheer in the crowd that resulted in a six yard run and I looked at Mike, go out, we got into that,

and I don't think it was a mock cheer. I think it was we got them, We we had them, you know, we made good contact, but the pile just moved forward. Yeah. I would love to know for whoever is the defensive coordinator on this team, like what was the plan going in because it just seemed like they just, I don't know, they weren't ready to stop the run

or willing to stop the road. In base defense, they were getting early on and they were getting man had I mean, but they moved to a little bit more nickel, like a three to three you know, five kind of front with the multiple safeties, and that was when it started going bad, but they never really went back to the base. I think they got thrown on a little

bit in base. It thought like, okay, they'll come out at halftime and they'll take their chances, but they'll fill the box eight and make Tannehill beat them with and they didn't do it. I thought that was going to happen. I thought they would completely take that away in the third quarter in the opposite because this is usually a team if they decide to do one thing, you know, stop the run, they can do that. And they couldn't do that. And I just wonder what was going on.

Was it just rushed from this mini buy or like what was going on? I think the Titans just did a good job today. I think I think so too. They had they had They only had one chance to compete in the game, and that was it. Yeah, when you're when you're a team you know that has made its offense running the ball, even you know, Derrick Henry's Denrick Henry, but you still got that mindset even though

Derrick Henry isn't there, that's your offense. You know. It's like, you know, Green Bay loses Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love comes in, they still expect him to throw the ball. You know, the wide receivers still expect the ball to be thrown to them. And you might say that this offensive line still expects to be able to block for the run. That's what it's crazy, because they never put up to seventy with Derrick Henry. You know, it's just it's probably all had them all up. I think one hundred and

eighty himself. But yeah, what you got on your bad list, Paul Um. You know again, it was that kind of stuff, like you're talking about the big plays and how they didn't get swallowed up. I thought Devin mccordy made a bad play. I gave him credit for the huge play in the end zone causing the interception that ends the game, and he caused that touchdown because that should have been a ten yard game. Took a bad angle, got caught from behind and then missed the tackle and ends up

being a sixty eight yard touchdown. Which is that's a specific play that Devin mccordy has made a career on is he does not take twelve yard runs and tourn him into fifty yard runs. They remained twelve yard runs. That was one misplay by him. All right, I was mostly about the run defense on my bad list. There were, you know, a couple of things in the Patriots running

game obviously which they just couldn't get going. But I think it again, if you're going to point out flaws, you're going to point out bad performances, You'll always have to balance it with Okay, what were the Titans doing? I thought the Titans came with a decent game plan to guard against the run today, and I think whatever they were doing out there through enough of a wrench in to it to where they were forced to make

your key quarterback throwing his first cold game. I mean, Rabel's no dummy, so I'll give them a little bit of credit for that. But yeah, there were certainly more I would have liked to have seen. You know, Damian Harris had some nice plays there toward the end, but he was large, you know, he was pretty quiet for the for the first part of the game. Yeah, I mean, even with the fourteen yard touchdown, he had three point

six yards of carry. Yeah. Yeah, what else, I'm gonna just kind of marry I think they were kind of related third down and uh and red zone for the offense three four or ten on third down for the offense and two or five in the red zone. And you know, I thought, I thought they moved the ball pretty well between the twenties. I could have used one of those trick plays today. I think they could have maybe busted one of those out inside the twenty to

get in. I think if they had, you know, maybe finished a couple of those drives with touchdowns, it would have put the Titans away a little bit earlier. But I think Harris looked like he was getting ready to throw one. I'm one of those plays. I'm like, oh, I don't think we've seen that yet, have we? Yeah? But no, that execution down there, I'm thinking of the one where you know, Mac took the sack. You know,

we talked about missing Hunter. Just think they had a good stretch of red zone performance, and certainly they've been real good on third down all year. Surprisingly, I think it's one of the most surprising things about the offense. But today just it felt a little you know what, I'm gonna backpedal a little bit. I'm gonna go back on Mac and say neither because he did have enough you win Hardy, he did have enough plays where like you mentioned Henry. You know, Hunter Henry, that's an easy one.

There's no pressure. He was wide open taking a sack, a couple just errand throws. So I'll say that he evened it out. He's not on the bad list, but I can't put him fully on the good list too, because I think that game could have ended earlier if Mac had a little bit of a better game. Yeah, Kyle on the email said, don't let Mac off the hook. Easily one of his worst games as a pro. Called it cold weather. Now I don't go that far. I think that's he says, call it cold weather or whatever.

Should have had two balls intercepted, two terrible sacks, one of them on third down. That was a bad sack, rookie played from a rookie quarterback. Glad to have the win, but on to Buffalo. I don't agree that he got away with a couple of interceptible balls. I know that you know that no one cares about that. But to call it one of his worst games, I think that's

a stretch. I think when you when you add when you factor in what he's being asked to do compared to early in the season, it's hard to say it's his worst game as a pro. Yeah. Yeah, Uh Scott in apperly Bridge, UK, can we put mac Jones on the bad list? He had at least four passes that were into coverage, screen, into the floor, and I thought he looked hurt throughout. What do you guys think? That said, Uh, it's something to keep an eye on with that that hit.

Did he get up you know, three or four yards short of the first down and indicated that he got a first down? Right? You know, I don't know if he got shaken up on that or something. He didn't get hit in the head. No, no, no, no, no no no. Yeah, but he said Scott is scare yep Uh. Scott says, if your QB can play badling, you can still win big.

I'll bloody take it. Yeah. I don't think the q I think he didn't throw any interest like I like he threw for three hundred yards, two touchdowns, downerstutions like we can pick apart score all you want. I watched the game today. He didn't say it's the worst game. What do you want? I don't know how you could say you played a bad game. I didn't say that. You didn't you didn't know, But the email is. That's

two emails in a row. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how you can come out of that game and say he played a bad If you want to say no list, I'm fine with that. I'm not going to argue. I'll let Douce argue because that's what he does. You know, I'm not really an argumentum raw. I can be convinced that he doesn't belong on any list that Fred and Hardy, that's what you guys stand. But I can't be convinced that he had a bad game today. Chad says, I'm sorry that you don't want to look at the stats, Hardy,

but they exist whether you see them or not. I don't know what that means, Hardy reading the emails on a on a cold, snowy, windy game. All right, he's up on the snowy it was kind of none of the blizzard it was. It was, it was reasonably cold, the flakes were like minuscule. Then it was just atmosphere, not even whether it was atmosphere. Sorry, Chad in Atlanta, I'm sure the play needs to be an interception right there. That the linebacker completely fooled Mac Jones on this he

was up at the line at the snap. He looked like he was coming as a pass rusher, and he baited him right into that throw. And not only that's a pick, it's a pick six potentially. I don't know how fast that guy is. Maybe someone would have caught him, but there would have been a lot of green in front of him. A net ball hit him in two hands. I've seen it in SloMo replay a couple of times now, and I didn't pick up on it as it happened. How quickly did he drop back into coverage? Was it

a good play? Yeah, it was good, but it was bad. But it's a bad play by the quarterback. Oh sure. You know. That's why I could be talked into looking more into the numbers like you guys talk. That is the nicest and I think fairest way. I can put it enough bad plays to where I can't put him on the good list. That's it, That's all. Yeah, Chad says it was. It was the frozen tundra though, And and what more could he have done? I don't know, not had those bad plays yet, what more could he

have done? He could have converted him more than one of those red zone because the last ones that irrelevant. They had a red zone conversions one for four and meaningful red zone drives. That's where the quarterbacks make their money. Yeah, that's what more could he have done? He could have He could have put the game away in the first three quarters. All right, how would you like me to go to the phone calls now? Now you just praise me for I would say, real, you don't have to stop.

We have to we have to get to the training room too. And I had I had kick coverage was I thought shaky to the point where they think they started kicking touchbacks on purpose because I think they had a hard time containing the kick kick returns. Uh. And I thought Myles Bryant, to Mike's point, when they were sort of in base early in the game, he was coming in as the extra defensive back and they were finding him. They were picking on him a little bit.

One they got away with with a guy wide open that they missed the throw, and then one he gave up the flicker flicker was him too? Um said he got pushed off on that. Yeah, and he didn't. They showed the replay and he just I mean, he actually was he wasn't fooled on the play. I'll give him credit for that, but he get fooled on that. I wouldn't be a touchdown. He gave up a big he gave up a big completion on them. So I thought that Myles Bryant, Yeah, a little shaky today, all right,

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from our studios inside Jette Stadium. Here's Hardy. Back to the Patriots postgame show presented by Cyber Reason and directly to your calls on the ACE ticket hotline at eight five five Pats five hundred Patriots get the wind to day thirty six thirteen over the Titans at you Ltte Stadium. Christian in Los Angeles, Up first, what's going on? Christian? Christian? And it's a Hardy. He's in LA. He's got a lot of other things he can be doing. Well. Maybe it takes time for the voice to get over here

because he still want far away Layton ah artis. Instead, we go to Anthony in Columbus, Anthony, Europe. First, what's going on? Anthony? Hi, guys, how are you good? Hey? Um? Okay? So I live in Columbus, Ohio, which means that I only see a few games this season. I've only seen a few games season. I guess the Cleveland game, in the Tampa game and on TV. So my experience with sort of like monitoring the games over the course of the season, I'm like, I'm doing that on the internet

as I'm doing other things. Is that and this was true today as well, is that they seem to like they moved the ball really, really well all the way to the red zone and then they stall out and you would, you know, you end up with the many field goals that Nick Folk kicked today. I wonder, from your perspective, and because you could see the games much better than I can, like what happens once they get inside the twenty? Why is it that they stall out in the ways that they do in the red zone.

My opinion today is they didn't run the ball very well in any part of the field. So when you can't run the ball in the red zone, it makes it hard when you have to throw it in all the time, and I think it's much harder to do that. They didn't have the thread of the run. I don't think down there. They had two different possessions where I think they ran it twice to set up third, you know, and pretty long. The first one they converted with the throw to Kendrick Bourne. I think it was first and

goal from the sixth. They ended up with third and goal from the five and he threw the touchdown pass, and then after that they weren't able to make those throws. I think it's hard to throw it in all the time, and I think that's what they were forced to do today. Yeah, I gotta look at a little more what they did to the tight ends. I mean, you missed the throw to Hunter Henry. That's been kind of their go to. I just I'm curious. I would I would have been

open to trick place today. I think if you knew you were gonna have some tough sledding with the run game, it was probably the spot to maybe pull one of those out again. But I think Paul's got a great point. When when you're got one hand time behind your back, it's tough. But overall, I just didn't I think the execution was great today. I mean, I'd like to see teams in the NFL that I have the best red

zone efficiency, Like what's their makeup? And it probably starts at quarterback, you know not This isn't a knock on Mac, but he's not there yet that you know where he gets down there, he's this big red zone threat. You know, anytime anybody has to analyze Mac, they have to apologize. Well, yeah, you have to because or else people say, oh you don't like Mac. No. I love Mac. I love that we have him. But he's you know, it's his first year and he hasn't established himself as something that I

think defenses have to be scared of in the red zone. Now. I can see why Paul would get annoyed at that, because Paul gets annoyed at a lot of things. But I think I think it's a way of couching in a little bit because you see other rookie quarterbacks how they're playing this year, and you want to be grateful for how they brought him along and how he's developed,

especially when he was the fifth one picked. I mean, not that you're grading on a curve necessarily, but I think I mean, we're looking at a team that's eight and four now after starting two and four, and he has contributed to the wins. There are games like today where I don't think he had as much to do

with it. There were there have been wins when he had practically nothing to do with them getting the wine, and you know it's they want in spite of him a couple of times with you know, turnovers and yeah, so Anthony, I think I think, you know, when it when it comes to that, part of that is is Mac. Part of it is you know, especially early on in the season, I don't think they felt comfortable with him giving him the green light to make some of those

throws down close. They thought, you know, the percentages were better with just trying to punch it in. But they couldn't run it today. So if you're talking about today specifically, yeah, it was a failing of the run game that that caused them to stall out down close to the goal line. How about SPI in Fresno, I SPI will never leave us hanging. We'll never get that that horrible sound from speed. What's up, buddy, what's going on? I put Mac firmly

on the neither of it. It doesn't show up in the sets, but he's you know, he had a bunch of pullmenttions. He had a bunch of completed passes that just didn't look that good, that were slightly off targeted. But you know, he played. He played well, so he was good and he was bad, so he was neither. Um but um, you know, the stack that he did was in the middle of the third quarter. That where

he takes that stack. UM. See that started a sequence which is kind of interesting because if I got this price, I think that then it was on the next possession, UM when when um, when the Titans took over. So there's like there's three and out that that ends with. Uhaul Paul mentioned Millston like incredible technique, UM to poke the ball out on that pass. But then on that three and out were extraordinary. It's like video game defense.

I mean, just totally set the tone. UM that and then on the next drive, but you got that fourth down stop and then basically you know they're spirit broke at that point. UM. But I love that you know that three and out. I think that if you go back and you watch that, you could have seen some video game defense. It was unbelievable. Judean was extraordinary on that one. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I don't remember any standout plays, to be honest with you.

I remember a terrible throw by Tannehill on third down to an open guy that he threw on the wrong side. He threw the play that Mills made was thrown to the inside instead of the outside and that play was there. I don't maybe we're thinking about different things that that's possible. That's possible. I didn't think really there was anything defensive today to to really write home. I don't have anything

on the good list really other than individual plays. The mccordy tip and the J. C. Jackson punch out on Deontay. I mean, this tells you all you need to know about the defense today. One of my good plays was a thirty yard run right by the other team. Like, I didn't think they did anything good defensively today. It's very deceiving that the Titans only ended up with thirteen points. If they don't miss a wide open receiver for a touchdown,

then they subsequently missed the field goal. After that they missed an extra point. This easily could have been a game if not for the Titans themselves. And I think it all comes down to the guys that the Titans were missing. I mean, what are you expecting from you know? Nick Westbrook Akena. I love how he always finishes my sentences. He's perfect. He's perfect. Well, like I'm married. I wanted to call back this week to complain a little bit

because I think that you're definitely underselling the defensive performance ball. Well, I mean, listen to Devin mccordy. Don't take my word for it. Just like watch some of the postgame comments that I'm seeing coming in, like they're not happy with how they played. They get up two one hundred and seventy yards rushing, like they're not happy about that. But that's all they did. All they did was run the ball. They did was run the ball because they didn't have

any receivers to throw it too. They were all hurt. Okay, I mean that's not exaggeration. They were. They were missing their top four receivers like that. They're on I are like a j Brown. I was called him Julio, like you used to Julio Jones. And what's what's the kid's name that they came into the Marcus Johnson like that, that's their top three guys. They're all out. They had one guy who had a reasonable resume and that was the Westbrook Akene guy. Yeah, and that was it. This

is like they had nothing. You know what this is. I tell you what this game it compares perfectly for both Mac Jones conversations and defense conversations with what happened in the Jets game. Okay, the Jets game for Mac Jones, almost identical stad line. He threw for actually few yards I believe in that Jets game, three hundred and seven yards. He was twenty four or thirty six for three hundred seven yards, two touchdowns, no picks. Today he was three.

There's twenty three of thirty two for three ten, two touchdowns, no picks. Did he look anything like he looked in that Jets game. I thought he was better today than the Jets. If you want to tell me the Cleveland game where his stats weren't as good as today, I'll tell you he was much better in the Cleveland game, all right. And and defense that's game. I think he was all over the place that whole first half. Do

you recall I do recall that. Yeah, well, defensively again, if you just look at the points they allowed thirteen points. They allowed thirteen points. Now there was You can easily look at the rushing yards from those two games. I think the Jets maybe put up sixty four sixty five yards, so that that's an easier case to make the defense played better. But it's okay to look at them today and say even though they ailed them to thirteen, it wasn't a great day for the defense. Right now, Like,

how many points realistically? And I'm gonna go to Fred on this because I think Fred, how many points realistically do you think Tennessee probably should have had today? Yeah? Twenty four? Yeah, I mean I I totally agree. Like, so you can sit there and say they scored thirteen points, that's the bottom line as points points points. I don't think Bill's gonna look at that game and say, well, held in the thirteen that's bottom line, that's point. I don't think that's the way Bill looks at a game

like that. Yeah, I mean, they had such momentum on that long run that you know, on the fumble, yeah, you know, now they fumbled if it was the Patriots to be like, well early in the season, well that's who they are. They give up the ball. That's why they're not that's why they're two and four. You know. So it's not even a Ben don't break, it's a bend and then wait for mistake. You know. That was

that was kind of how they played today. And believe me, I don't think Bill or anyone else likes to play Ben don't break the defenses they like to play, don't bend, don't break. Sure, no neither one. I mean Bill said it before, it's never our intention to let a team just march down the field. Yeah, that's not how that's not our plan. But I think in like the big picture of it, it's it's a false sense into our trap. Yeah, you know, and then just sit there like, yeah they did.

They came up with it. That was a huge three and out that they came up with. Yeah. Yeah, it's one of two punts on the day, Like they never stopped them all day. Like, I mean, what was the time of possession both It's pretty close, pretty even close, yeah, because they only punted once. There were some long drives

for for both teams. I don't know if you have the drive chart there in front of you, but you know, so he gets he gets run down and jac makes this play at about the forty yard you know that was showing on our highlight package right now. That Foremant's long run. Let's just say that ball trickles out of bounds, right. They're scoring points on that drive. That's this is a this is a point saving play by J. C. Jackson.

Ye time of possession thirty one O two for the Titans twenty eight fifty eight the pass And it was good though to see like Born for example, make that play because one thing we haven't really seen from you know, the receivers for the most part, is run yards after the catch that they make on their own. You know what I mean? That was a big That was a big one for that because he turned it up. Um. I thought, yeah, you know, like we talked about with Jacobe, made a good play. That was There was a lot

of good stuff going on in that. Yeah, let's go back to the phones here and we'll talk to Steve in Pbody on the Patriots postgame Show presented by Cyber Reason. Hello Steve, Hello Hardy. What's going on? So let's just want to talk about how important like having a good, reliable kicking game is. Early in that game, Bullock left four points on the board and it really changes its dynamic of everything. If you go back to the drive where Tannahill threw an interception on fourth down, but you's

a field goal there. If he had they had those four points still be a one possession game. And it's just like, I don't know what it is about the Patriots in the twentieth century, which is in twentieth century twenty first century. We've just been so lucky to have a great kicker. It's been it's frankly, I think it's undervalued in the NFL um You're you're singing, uh singing my song here I I. It has always been astounding

to me that more attention isn't paid to it. But we don't look past what Nick Folk has done this year. We talk about him every week and what was the announcement the fifth fifty plus field goal, is that that's a record franchise franchise with that surprising Steve so so Coming into today the Titans, Randy Bulleck had missed two field goals and Nick Folk had missed two field goals, and Randy Bullock had missed two extra points. Nick Folk

had missed four extra points. This gets to my point that the kickers are generally even and it's when they miss It comes down to when you meet today, Absolutely the caller nails. It changed the whole complexion of the game. It changed the whole strategy at the end because he's right, you kick a field goal and make a twenty six twenty if you didn't leave those four other points on the board, it was a bend and then wait for mistakes defense. So today Randy Bullock missed. He doesn't miss

any more often than Randy, then Nick Folk does. He just missed today and that costs them. And now this is the thing that's uncanny is that that point I made early? Did you hear this? That Fred fourteen for twenty three, Like, that's ridiculous. That's what opposing kickers are kicking field goals against the Patriots this year. I was gonna say, and we're almost more likely to miss. And why did he miss today? Because they played the Patriots?

I love it. It was like, it's UNBELLI believable. It's unbelievable. Obviously I'm being tongue in cheek, but that's the actual stat. Yeah, I know, crazy. Posing kickers have made fourteen out of twenty three field goals against What are they doing? I don't know. And it's not like they block them, like if they had like four blocks, I would say they're in people people's heads or if a lot of them were really long one right, how many have gone off

the upright too? That's apparently apparently the sound was turned way up. On the broadcast, two people were saying, it sound like a gone I like that noise. Big Tea in Florida on the Patriots postgame show, Hello, yeah, I love that boying the sound of winning, Right, I like you. I'm telling you, yeah, Fred, come on, get with it about what in particular? Bellot check. That's it right, every time we could have played better, we could have coached better.

And that's absolutely true. I mean, so what's negative about the see negative? So what's negative about that? No, you're staying there. Lucky on defense? They're not. I didn't say they were lucky on defense. I said they didn't play well on defense today. They didn't. Well, yeah, they allowed a few great runs, but they didn't allow a few great runs. They allowed the other team to dominate on the ground. They didn't allow a few great runs. Right,

but the other team had two hundred and seventy yards rushing. Caller, Just imagine if the Patriots had just ran for two hundred and seventy yards against the team, what you would be saying. You'd be saying, we dominated that. We would take that at anything, right, Yeah, there are there are things to improve, but we if we had said at the beginning of the year, we would be eight and four with a rookie quarterback. I think most people would have said that sounds about right. And I have one

right next to me. I have one right next to me that absolutely would have said that, right because you said eleven wins, right, I said ten seven? Okay, yeah, so you you had him right around here, right. Yeah. If we split with the Bill, yeah, we might lose to the Colt. Colts might be the best team in the AFC, right now, Yeah, I don't think so. But and then and then we win the other two games, Yeah,

we're right there. Sure. Yeah. No, Now, like a lot of people's expectations have changed because they didn't think Mac would play as well and and he has, and and now we're we're knocking on the playoffs because they've won six in a row. Yeah, that's it's funny how things like that work. And t T, I don't I gotta be I think you have to be positive, okay I

And I don't mean to be dismissive. But if all you're gonna do is look and say who won the game, and you don't want to hear anything negative about it, then you need to avoid all post game aunt and by the way, it's not it's not our job. You gotta be positive. No, No, you're eight and four. You've once was six in a row. Now, yeah, six, you've won six in a row. Like the eye is on

the important thing. That's the important thing. Like Fred said, your expectations you're changing now and you have an opportunity to do something that maybe six weeks ago you didn't think was possible. You can win the division to get the number one seed in the AFC. That's it's possible. That's it's there. If you can, if you control your destiny, you can do these things. I said before. That doesn't mean that you have to just ignore everything that's going on.

You don't have to be positive. I said, if we get competent play out of mac Jones, we have a chance to make the playoffs. And that's I think exactly what's happening. Uh, let's go to George in Florida. George on the Patriots postgame show. Hi George, but hey guys, Hey Fred, that was just perfect for the segue. Listen, as long as he keeps playing the way he is, I mean, he faced Deanp's last week he faced Mike verre Go this week. You know, Josh McDaniel is calling

the plays, he's trying to execute him. He's doing it for a rookie. You know, I think he's doing fine. Now. You guys just mentioned we can't be positive. Yeah, my nervous every game. Heck kay, oh at that was unlike even you that a dump hang up on the I just want to pick up your coffee and it hung up. I think I didn't say that you can't be positive. I said, you don't have to like we we don't have to be like that's not our job. We don't

have to be positive. We have to talk about the game, right And I think generally, of course, we're very positive on the team, right. I'm sure at some point I said, all right, well, in order to get to a and four, they're gonna have to win six in a row. Nobody thought they were going to win six in a row after starting two and four. You look big picture this thing. Of course, it's overwhelmingly positive around this team. Right now.

You want to talk about today's game against a Titans team that was hurting to field the Nashville and that's another part of it. Like everybody keeps going back to what you would have said in August, what you would have said, and when they were two and four, Well in August, well, you're gonna tell me that the Titans weren't going to have fifty three NFL players to play in this game, because if you did, I would have told you there's no way the Patriots are gonna lose

that game, like we in the pregame show. And you know, maybe I'm too positive, because there's no way I thought that. As as much as I knew the Titans were gonna want to run this well, I didn't think the Patriots would give up two hundred and seventy yards. Maybe I was I didn't even think the Titans would get one hundred yards rushing today, and I'm not I'm not exaggerating. I thought they would completely shut that down, put it all on Tanny Hill. That was my key to the game.

Make Tanny Hill beat you. Well, I'd never materialized because they just ran the ball all day. They just didn't execute when it counted. But you know, having said that, we knew that it could be a tough game, you know, because you knew Rabel was going to get these guys up, he'd have, you know, we'd have them playing tough. And I think what Belichick, you know, one of the first words that he said coming out of his mouth after the game was, you know, they got a lot of

tough guys on that team. I would agree with that, Fred, And that's what Mike and I had talked about. We kind of wanted to call for a blowout, but neither one of us really did because we felt like we had too much respect for the way that they'll come

in place a backdoor and look at it. Yeah, it ended up a blowout, but it really Wasn't know how many times if the Patriots, you know, with or without Brady been under man because of injuries, and yet they played tough because they knew they were under man and they knew they had to that's all they had to fall back on. And they did it. And sometimes they lost, you know, but they played tough. You know, the other team knew they were in a football game when it

was over, you know. And I think that's the way, at least for most of this game. That's the way the Titans were playing today. Yeah. I wonder if this is the same Chad in Atlanta who emailed in Chad is it's the same Chad? Chad? Yeah, busted, you got me? What's up? Chad list boom m Hey guys, great win. I just want to call and clarify. Okay, So I may have exaggerated on the weather a little bit. Um, I'm from I'm from Georgia, so you know when we

see flakes like that, it is no um. But yeah, I just mind my whole point about Mac not being on the battle list. It should being on a good list. What's been? I mean, are you in the same position to win the game if he doesn't perform like he did? I feel like maybe the bad place he had or back to back so it made it look a little worse.

But that's all I'm gonna say about that. I mean, maybe you can sway me as far as like putting him on the neither list, But would you be in the position to win the game if he doesn't perform like he did? No? But I think there's a lot of quarterbacks that could have given that performance today. Yeah, and and and that that is my point. And I

don't want him on the bad list either, Chad. I also would would caution against looking at the big offensive place for the Patriots and giving mac Jones too much of the credit that Kendrick Bourne plays were Kendrick Bourne, uh, and you know, and some of the mistakes were glaring Ones, the overthrow to Hunter Henry, the screen pass into the dirt, those those, to me are are inexcusable. And this game could have been over. And I get it, you can

only play the team that you're facing that day. But what if Dereck Henry was out out there and their three top wide receivers, Well, I would that would that play have been sufficient? Yeah? I mean I would even say take Henry out and just let the game unfold with some options in the passing game, and that game might be different. Yeah, Chad, thanks for calling in though,

and for the email. Appreciate a buddy, yep. Okay, but I think you're right hardy to point that out in terms of yeah, you can say, like, what you know, do they win the game if mac Jones doesn't play like that? Well, so now you're taking mac Jones out? What what am I getting in replaced? I mean I'm playing with a quarterback, Am I not? Right? Like? Could

Brian Hoyer not have made those through? I think I yeah, but Brian Hoyer, Jacoby Brissette, a lot of you know, like guys that can get in and do the job. I'm not. I'm not. I don't think they were like I just didn't look like today, Like the Cleveland game, to me, Mac Jones was special, like he fits some some really tough throws into tight windows. I didn't really see a lot of that today. Let's put it this away, but he was incredibly productive. Let's get to was on Mikes.

Let's give the Titans Mac Jones and we'll take Ryan tannehi Hill today who wins? Patriots win? Right there you go? But you know, Ryan Tannehill is a competent quarter He's a competent Quarterback's why I say I wasn't going to as Mac Jones, you know, but I didn't want to go there with Jacoby Brissette or Brian Hoyer. I don't think they're as good as Mac Jones. No, I don't think they are either. But if they'd be a couple interceptions today, if they played their best game, we do

they do they have that performance? Now we're really getting in the weeds. Well, yeah, but this was on end. But this wasn't Mac's best game. No it was not. Uh. The Moistes in Connecticut joining us now on the Patriots postgame show. Hello Moises, Hey, guys, how you guys doing really good? All right, boys stepped up big today. And guess what. The number one seed is up for the grass and I want on new ones of Patriots to

get that number one seed, you and me both. Yeah, they jump from five to two today with the five seed coming into the game and they go up to the two seed. We'll see what that win. The Ravens a chance to get to one, right if the Ravens lose, right right? Yeah, but but here, but here's the kicker at the bounds beat of Ravens. Tonight, the Pages will be the number one. We just said that. Yeah, yep, yep,

you got it. Also, to guess what I think that we go one on one with Buffalo and then then the Let's three games will take them all and go twelvel five. Okay, wow, you know what? You need some help then, because right now that Buffalo thing is well, I mean, I think I still think Buffalo has issues, but splitting might not be enough with Buffalo because they have the tiebreaker in the division, right right as good

as it looks right now, those two Buffalo games looming. Uh, it's you know, it's it's really more than you could have asked for. Again after the two and four, start to have a really compelling last quarter of the season. To look at man, there's a lot of the last year Buffalo ran away with the divis. Yeah, this year there's some pressure. Let's see what happens. I agree with what happens, all right, I agree with that game pressure. Yeah, they have some pressure on them. Now see how they

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win over the Titans. Talking about the game with you on the A sticket hotline eight five five PATS five hundred, email web radio at Patriots dot com. Go back to the phones and talk to Dustin. Who's in Ontario? You're on with Deuce, Paul, Fred and me Hardy. What's going on? Dustin? Hey, fellas enjoying Heart eight and four records so far? Yes, oh yes, very much, excellent ex one Fred before it splits my mind again. UM, A little late to ask.

But how's the need doing recovery? Doing every everything? Okay, it's great, Yeah, yeah, good, no problems whatsoever? So good. That's really good to hear. M. Couple quick questions. Why is everyone's so worried about my health? Because I think you're getting on in years? Could I look okay, now you don't, but you don't look sickly? No, No, I'm a robust seventy two. Um. A couple of quick questions.

The last call actually leads into my question. My first question nicely, Um, I was thinking about next week in regards to our game against Buffalo. Um. You know, it's pretty easy to predict what the fans and the media's

mindset is going to be. If the Patriots win, you know, we'll be well on our on our way to actually securing the first round by I think, um, if the Patriots to lose, however, it kind of got me thinking, what do you guys think the fans and the media's mindset is going to be as everyone you know, I can kind of I can kind of picture them saying something like, oh, the Patriots are coming back down to earth. We're not as good. They're not as good as we

thought they were, so on and so forth. It depends on how think. Yeah, that's everyone's mindset's going to be. If the Patriots get beat soundly, you'll hear that. You'll hear up, See they're not as good as you thought they were. You'll hear that. Yeah, And then the rematch excuse me n the tailpipe there. But if they but friends, right, if they if they lose like thirty one to ten, then people are going to be like, well, you know, it's a little bit of a reality check. They came

back to earth. They haven't really played any teams in this sixth game winning streak that were capable of doing what Buffalo did. Right, But if they lose like twenty eight twenty four, and it's a back and forth game, and maybe Josh Allen throws a touchdown pass in the last two minutes, say, would get them when they get the back here? Yeah, okay, do health service now would

be our turn? I think the Patriots. Yeah, I think the Patriots will do relatively well, so long as they don't at least as at least avoid playing like sloppy football, like paying turning the ball over, committing needless penalties, stupid things like that. Is this gonna be Max's first test in a hot, really hostile environment. I mean he hasn't lost on the road. About how many of them LA

this is? Yeah? I was gonna say, this is one game that we won't be getting those texts like the Patriots travel like right, there'll be some, but you won't hear them. Did you hear did you hear the Raiders fans on Thanksgiving and Dallas? Yeah? That were there. That was frightening, Like Dallas. Yeah. I think that's a great point, though, Fredden,

and it only adds to just Monday night football. It's gonna be great intrigue and an interesting spot for the Patriots, who probably are gonna come in maybe quote unquote leading the division. Uh, you know, and you think they were gonna go in as underdogs. But I don't know. It's just it's a weird dynamic with the Bills feeling like all of a sudden, Hey, we're looking up at these guys. Now we got to host them at home. It'll be

a lot of fun next Monday Night. But I agree it's it's gonna be a great challenge, especially for that young quarterback in that environment. And the field is in the field plane too or what is it that it has a crest in the middle. Brady used to complain about that when he's first back, when he sees his first sex object in the field. What's that to explain it to him? You know, we should do that ahead of time. He's got so many issues. I can't even

keep tracking my friend. Now, Yeah, I know, it's that's something that pops up, you know, literally figuratively, uh, every year when you play Buffalo. But I don't think about it. I get the feeling with Fred. It's like on the top of his mind, you say in Buffalo and he automatically thinks about marital aids on the field. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it's a little troubling that really ate in anybody's marriage. Well, you know what, I'll talk to you after the show.

I'm not even going to attempt your name. I'm just gonna call you Bart who is in Poland. He said score was much better than the play itself felt like a trap game from the beginning, which I don't want to get into the definition of a trap game again. That yeah, we're not going to do that. I agree with his premise. Yeah, and the fact that the camp your trap game that's at home, shut up. It could

forget the trap, forget that. Fortunately, key turnovers played a role, but we can't continue to rely on them otherwise Buffalo will steamroll us. Anyway, good win this game. That might get some I was gonna say, that's assuming Buffalo doesn't turn it over, because they've been turning it over a lot lately, and I think that's more the other night, you know, just to go back to the caller, who was you know, saying being negative. It's just the big picture. You really want to get a beat on who this

team is. And I think defensively it was a step back tonight, and it's it's it's one of those defenses we're in twenty ten. You felt like they got a terrible defense. But they're getting away with it because they're getting interceptions every game and then all of a sudden they dry up. You're getting a playoff game. You're really I don't get any turnovers and your problem, Bart also is that extend J C. Jackson, which we talked about in the pregame, and well we can do it again

next week. But I am fully on board with extending them. Paul, you said you wouldn't You wouldn't be mad if they if they gave no extension. Fred Fred has been on this from the start. He It's one of the rare times I don't argue with Fred. We argue about everything. I don't argue with him. I I don't think I would do it, but I don't think FREDI I have a question about that. I don't think Fred. J C. Jackson wasn't drafted correct why because he had off field

issues he did? Would those issues be a reason why any team would be hesitant to give him a huge contract. Yeah still now, I mean, yeah, um, I think if the Patriots don't resign him, I think that will be part of the mindset that's interesting to me. I don't know. I mean, how many years removed do you have to be from those off field issues in order for not to be an issue? Right? You need something, some incentive to keep you on the straight and narrow, would be

my argument on their behalf. I'm not telling you that's what they're gonna do. I'm telling you if I'm the GM and I decided I'm not going to resign J. C. Jackson because I'm that that would be part of my thought process. If I give this guy that money, then I don't know if I can rely on them all right. Caleb in Melbourne says, another great win. I'd love to chat about Folk. Would you guys be willing to call him our MVP? Without him, we wouldn't be winning as

many games as we are. But the offensive MVP Nick Folk responsible everybody half of those thirty six points today through field goals and extra points. I mean, he's the most consistently, you know, the productive offensive weapon you have. Yeah, I mean, what more can you say about him? I mean here hitting the long ones too. I think that

was last year. You're just like me. I mean, yeah, he's been great inside the thirty, but there was some kind of block that you felt like outside of you know, forty five yards, that they wouldn't attempt it, or that you know, they had to protect him from it. And this year it seems like it's interesting. I didn't even think of that. Remember that that was a thing last year They wouldn't even try them. Yeah, now I always try. I think he tried the fifty two yards today. I

don't think I would have done that. It made it a sixteen point game. It was still a two score game, and I thought, with about what five and a half six minutes left, gave the opportunity for a miss to set up the Titans with one last gasp. Yeah, and last year he Mike is right, I totally forgot that. Do you remember that like forty five and out? He would never even try it. He would either go yeah yeah. The goal for the fourth thound punt. Law thought it

was going to be a sneak. He thought when he was setting up for that today, I thought, oh god, you're right now, I'm looking down the field like this is a fifty two yard or why why they even trying this? Especially to the north end zone. If there was any wind, it's generally, uh, you know, a problem going that way. And he had missed the fifty three yarder earlier and it was kind of an ugly kick. Oh yeah, the miss was kind of low tractory. Yeah, why can I not speak like a knuckleball? Just pepsi.

I promise it's just pepsi. Yeah. And in twenty nineteen with the Patriots, he played seven games. They attempted one fifty plus field goal that he made. Last year they attempted three and he got two. This year he's four or six, but two are the ones he made. We're on the last play of the game, the game winners, so they had no choice, do you know what I'm saying. So only one time did they allow him to kick

under no normal conventional field goal. UM. Chris in Honolulu says, not sure if you guys touched on, but Lawrence guy deserves to be on the good list today. Um. He made a few big plays early on and was at least disruptive throughout most of the game. Also, what's the deal with guys letting their mouthpieces just dangle from their face mask? That would drive me nuts to have that thing? It's called what that's what they call fish hooking it? Oh okay, I thought, he says. I thought you said,

like the dirtiest of words. I'm like fish watting it? What? Okay? Um? Laurence guy have one big play early on. Beyond that, I do not remember him being a disruptive presence all though they gotta look at that to see if they running away from him. There's just too many, too much action in the running. Yeah, I saw he made a play earlier in the game today, but a lot of guys made I'll play. I can't put him on the good list as being part of the front. Being part

of the front. You look at the replaces some of those runs, and it's just it's not like guys are like being double teamed or they're doing change in direction. It's just a hat and a hat and just getting beat, you know, get them. I think that was the first player I was a play early on and you thought, Okay, here we go, right, this isn't gonna be all game

of this front seven, you know, in that place. Later Judon gets the sack and this and therein lies the only punt of the game for the Yeah, and that's and that's and that's probably something that they maybe could have put on the good list beside mac Jones. Was the start of the game. Just the way that they deferred the kick, they went out, they got a three and out, they got I mean the penalties, yeah, yeah, yeaha but good Bud punt return offense comes out touchdown.

A great star. Chris Once did defend the defense even more. He says Dietrich Wise had a deflective pass Vanoia. Two deflective passes, one nearly an interception. Had Vanoia on my good list, yep, high tower, deflective pass sent a third down, saved a big play. Bentley was kind of weak on his tackling angles and his block breaking today, But overall, I think the defense did their job, and that's what we asked. I mean, there was a play and Barmore he didn't play a lot today. I don't know how

many plays that he had. Did we have that yet, but I think they were holding him out because he was hurt. But when he was in. There was a play later on where he bull rushed two guys and Bentley ended up hitting the arm and they called it a fumble. Patriots recovered. But that was all because Barmore just pushed that pocket right into Taniel. I mean, he's a force, and I think that they missed him when he was at when he wasn't out there. Uh. Greg

from the billing department, I survived. Greg from the billing department called an he wanted knockout pool advice today deuson. I told him to go with Tampa. I told you I didn't love that. I'm glad you won, I said, I was so stressed, and I just decided, iff it. If I was going down, I'm going down with Brady. Pick Tampa, throwing my jersey and diaper and went to work. What a game. The other two players picked the Chargers. So if the Broncos end up winning, I win the

pool eleven thousand dollars, charges it down fourteen nothing? Wow, right, Evan Grant. Wow, we expect a lunch out of that at the minimum. Lunch does me no good. I weren't yet. You weren't here for it. Not a touchdown. You weren't here for it. Why should you get anything out of it? Because he trades unfiltered a Monday night football dinner for us. That foot was knocked down when he had the ball. See how quickly he's like, oh it's close. I think that angle makes it look You guys are so deprived

at ninety eight point five. Whenever there's anything like in play, you you clutch to it like grim death, clutch to one like just a lunch, like God forbid you. You gave him a lunch. I gave him the pickstand and that turns into you getting a free lunch. That's not me claim or anything that's like no, no, no, this is all mine, this is all mine. You know what we'll you know what I'm like, I'm the boss, I'm the Kappo. I get a taste of everything, anything that

goes through here, I get a taste. And when and when the Chocci Laprette first mate, right, Chachi Laprette act like that. You remember Chocci from the old radio station. You used to say, you gotta let me wet my beak a little whatever came into the station, right, yeah, gets the first night or that. That's what Fred is like. Everybody gets a sandwich. I go, Fred, take a bite out of it. All right, alright, getting married? I get your wife first. I'm again Alan in Texas on the

Patriots postgame show. Hi Allen, Hey guys, how are you doing? What's going on? First? I gotta say listening to Fred scares me that my mindset is in the same place as Oh for Buffalo, Okay, Oh you mean with the sex object. I'm just worried because Mac is so young and innocent, like when they throw it out there. Like when I was little and the sexy commercials would come on, my mother would talk really loud. Maybe I wouldn't hear them.

I could just see they throw the dildo out and then Josh and then and then Josh McDaniels is like Mac, Mac over here, don't look over there, don't look over there. Isn't that what it's called? Yeah? I think you're only allowed to say it. I think you're only allowed to say it once. Yeah, Okay, I said it once? Yeah, okay.

So the defense concerned me with the run game because I figured they were going to be key and on the run game, and the fact that Tennessee was able to run all over them and guy definitely need a great play one of the first series of the game, and after that, the defense, as far as the run game was, was pretty bad. I think they were just getting blocked all over the place. Um, But my question

is about um mac Jones and his arm strength. Everybody talks about his arm strength, and to me, it's noticeable with them fifteen yards out, Um, the defenders tend to make plays on it. Is there something that can be done to increase his arm strength or is it going to be more that he's going to have to learn the play the defense better, the way he can throw

the ball sooner. That's a great point. Incrementally he can he can improve his arm strength, but it's not going to be like he's not going to ever be like Aaron Rodgers or you know. And I'm glad you mentioned that because it was one play. I said it right after it happened. It was a pastor Myers that Myers caught, but he got hit immediately, got jarred loose. If the ball had more zip on it, the defender wouldn't have been there at that time, you know, Myers would have

had more time to secure it. And that was because the ball didn't have the zip it should have had on it. I can't disagree with that. And I think it's incremental. I mean, I think it's all going to be mental. Part of it physical a little bit. But you're you're right. I think it could be an issue and you can't improve it. You can't improve it, but

it can't. It absolutely can improve and it will improve, just as Alan said with his uh, you know, when he gains more and more experience and he recognizes when to throw a little more. Yeah, yep, yep. Because I don't think Peyton Manning had great arm strength, but he his weirdness was so well, he's on another level. He did. Yeah, yeah, Peyton Manny didn't have great arms strength at the very end, but he did you know, yeah when he was playing with a broken neck. He didn't have great arm strength

right the bulk of his career. But you never looked at Peyton Manning said wow, what a Horwitzer. No, you know, he didn't do what When I always looked at Peyton Mannings, he never threw a really tight like Adam Adam Horowitz. He's called a horridzer howardzer correct, Howard. He never know he used to play with really Jewish kid named Alan Horwitz. By the way he could throw the ball. Hey, well

what we would say, what a Horwitzer? On the subject, happy Hanaka starts at sundown, so happy Haneka everyone, he starts at sundown tonight. Let yourwitz with this guy everywhere. That's that's where the same game. Um Breton, Vancouver listening since two thy fourteen to the post game and Patriots unfiltered. He said, I think this is a better win than maybe we're given it credit for. And that's because they won again in a different way, and the best teams in the league need to be need to be able

to win games in different ways. Oh is that he said the defense was not very sharp? Okay, okay. He also said, you got very little production out of our run game. Mac didn't win the game for us, but made enough plays that led to points, and he's just he's given now listen. I think I think this was very similar to like the first Jets game. Um, the opponent, well, no turnovers. You won the game because of turnovers, right like I think you've won a handful of games like

that this year. I think you didn't play great, but the other team gave the ball away and you won fairly easily. Oh that was my secondary key to the game. Aside from stuff that turkey, it was gobble up the leftover. Remember that you can make it a work I somehow. I mean, I always provide multiple keys on that way. I'm guaranteed to be right. It does have a email. It does have This team has shown itself to be versatile,

like they can adjust. Yeah, you know, and I think that's why I give I give Mac a little bit more credit than than some people, just because I'm you just you know, I'm saying a little bit. I'm not trying to rile your cage up at all. I respect what you laid out and you're right with a lot of those throws. That's just I think that this was a day where you didn't have the run game to really lean on, and at least in the middle of

the field. They could have been a lot worse if they didn't move the ball in the middle of the field. And I mean they would have lost the game. So not perfect third down, red zone that stuff. Once they got into nitty gritty time and he was a little bit off. He wasn't nails lights out like he was against the Browns. But you know, I think they did enough to to do their part and keep the time possession pretty even get it close enough for Nick Folk to score half your point about what he does. Yeah,

that's right. H Colin in the Bay Area. Hello Colin, Hey guys, I just wanted to say, Uh, it's kind of funny everybody's saying we didn't have a good defensive game, even though I think three takeaways for any defense is probably pretty good, and they weren't just like, gimme, do you guys think like we were out there trying to strip the ball or was it just like any given Sunday. They're well, the lucky J. C. Jackson one was a really good punch, the god Shaw one that was really

bad ball security. I mean, I'm just gonna like the only fumbles that I'll ever there's there's two kinds of fumbles that I would say are somewhat understandable. One is the blindside strip sack of the quarterback when hey, he doesn't know what's coming. And the other is when you know a guy like has the ball or maybe as he's as he's securing it instantaneously, a helmet on the

football right helmet on the knocks it out. Yeah. I don't think there's ever an excuse to be running down the field with the ball in your possession and have a guy knock it out. I don't think there was an excuse for Damian Harris to be running into the end zone for a touchdown in Houston and have a guy swat the ball out. Is that a great play by the guy who squatted it out there? Yeah? Yeah. Should never happen. It shouldn't. What happened to Deonta Forman

today should never happen. I am in an NFL game and I'm amazed that it happens a lot. Yeah. And the reason why they still do it, Colin, is is because it does work. And ball security is an issue everywhere. The upper cut to jar the ball loose. You see players doing it, I'm like, And it started as a lot of things do in college with you know, guys just trying to you know, knock the ball does with that uppercut. You see it in the NFL a lot now too. And the reason why they do it is

because it works. Not every time, but if you managed to punch a ball loose doing that one out of ten times, that you try it, it's totally worth try it all the time, but most of the time they miss, and it's a car and it's it's a good hustle played by J. C. Jackson, and it was an instrumental play in the game today, there's no there's no denying that. I just think, if we're going to call a great defense to a lot with thirty yard run and hope we punched the ball out at the end of it, sustainable.

I just did the case kind of things aren't sustainable, and that's and that's what they're great. I just don't give the ball away. But you can't count on on those happening every single game giving up that great point that year that they were doing this every week. All it takes is one up and down the field on them, they'd get a couple of picks. It would change the course of the game. That's why today's troubled me, because teams haven't been going up and down the field on them.

The last several Carolina did nothing, Atlanta did nothing. Today, Tennessee went up and down the field. They like that. That to me, it was different than the previous games. And I kind of thought the defense had kind of turned a corner. And you know, even besides the turnovers, Tennessee gets inside the five. Two out of the three plays are passing plays when they're running all over the Patriots. To me, like, if that was us, I'd be going,

we're getting too cute. He's got too cute. I think whoever calls the plays there, you know, and they're too cute. And it was the only time that they The only good, really good run defense plays were the ones in goal to go inside the five. Even the first drive they stopped the two runs and they had to throw it in on third down and then on the other one. Two of the players, you're right, were passes, but they had they stopped two runs too. They did, so, you know,

I mean, it wasn't I still think. I still I'm still with you. They ran the ball the first two plays and then they threw it on third and fourth down. I would have run it twice. Yeah, I don't understand what they were doing. Biggest team in Florida, not to be confused with big team in Florida, the biggest, biggest tea. Hello, hey guys, how are you doing good? Good? He sounds big,

good good. Hey, yo, I've been hearing a lot about how you know, they gave up a lot of the run yards and everything else, and that's what we're expecting them to shut down. However, you know, looking at the final score, right, we know this is a ben no break defense. Well it hasn't We don't know. We don't defense is willing to let you go between the twenty. Now, see what you want to do. That's not how they want to play defense. And that's not how they've played defense.

They've been better than that. You know, they're the number one ranked defense in football. Yeah, they've been don't break. They haven't. They haven't been been, but don't break. That's in the past. This year they've been. Yeah, I get that. That's not how they want to play, get it right, No, I get that. That's what they've been the past. And they've been very they've had turnovers. They've been the differential and the turnmentovers and the and the points four and

against it. It's been a outstanding this year. Right, Yeah, they I think they're number they're one and two in the league for point differential with the with the Bills. Yea, yeah, right, right right, and they have the turnover differentials too. I mean, that's what they did today. Yep, right, yep, that's not been. But don't break if that's not been today, they've bent but didn't break. Yeah, but that's not how they've been playing all year. No, I guess that they've been. They've been.

They've been dominating over the last five weeks. Okay, no, they have been dominating. No, I guarantee you. Yeah, correct, they've been dominating. Now this this what I want to say is like this, this team as a whole has been just for the past six weeks amazing. Like I would could say that this team has probably been and this could be a hot sake, but probably been one of the best teams we've seen in a long time. But like this Patriots teams we're talking about the Patriots. Yeah, yeah,

it could be, but yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know. Like, look, you have a rookie quarterback running right, Okay, so that's not a qualifier games for you. And he has he has won a couple, but he hasn't won all of them by himself. He's not Brady. We're not looking at him as Brady or anything else. Like, right, I would say which is why I wouldn't say that this is the best. I would say this is one

of the most pleasing Patriots teams a long time. But do you remember teams where they would play like five of the strongest teams in the league and they beat them all. I forget, like what year that was. I mean, it was just like, not only are we winning, we're

beating the best teams in those tea. If if I can, if I can step in for a second, maybe what he's trying to say is that it is more of an overall contribution than we've seen in years pass where it was a lot about Brady or it was a lot about you know, one or two guys on the defense, and you had some outstanding individual performances. There are different guys stepping up week. It's a week and everyone is playing, you know, for the most part, a pretty solid game.

We haven't had a game, Here's what I'll say, over the last several weeks. We haven't had a game where a guy said that guy sucked, start to finish, get them off the field. You know, guys have had better games than others, but in terms of the overall team performance, it has been a team it's very pleasing, it's it's

it's exciting. But to say that they're better than oh, three, oh four, oh seven, you know all those But he was even saying in a long time, like to say the better than eighteam And I thought eighteen was the worst out of the six, the worst of my six Super Bowl titles. But I mean, please, like, when you start off by saying, considering we have a rookie quarterback, you're admitting that you're not as good as when you had right, Well, that's the baseline of it, right, that's you,

you had Tom Brady. At the end of the day, it is going to be the best quarter which is why if you're in the qualifier form overall team, he's talking about him, But I mean, do you take overall team, This team overall is better than I don't think that. I don't seventeen either. Maybe I don't. I don't know yet. Like if you ask, if you ask me, like, is this is Belichick as pleased with this team as he's been in a long time. Maybe? Maybe, because that's a

whole different argument. This this is personal for him. I know I would. I think you're right, But they're all doing what he's asked. He's asking them to do and and you know, the coachable he's winning without the quarterback, and that's what he wants to do. And I think if you look at the path of the games that they've won, they've done a great job. They've been a good team. They've taken care of business for the most

part in the last six weeks. But if you ask me how to stack this team up, I still I still don't know. I still don't really have a sense of when they get into a tight game with a really good team that can do it all, I'm not quite sure. Didn't they do this in twenty nineteen and just like blow doors off of a bunch of bad teams one after another after another, And then you know, they slowed down a little bit when they started when the competition started to rise. Yeah, like I just I'm

just matching up player for player. I don't look at this team as being as talented as they were, say three years ago. Yeah yeah, they went eight, no, and then they went four and four, And I don't see that happened this year and that team wasn't even good.

Yeah right, But that's why, and that's why you just got to look forward to this Bills game because no matter what happens with who play, all that kind of stuff, it's like, this is what you build the team for to win the division, to play this team that won the division last year, that smoked you here at Gillette last time you played. So I think that that after that that game, I feel like I'll have a real sense of who they are in that regard. But I

don't know, it's just that. And I think the things that you're analyzing with the takeaways and all that, it's it's all aiming towards you know, how are they going to stack up when they get in the playoffs against the best teams and you know, every play matters, and are they going to be consistent? And I think all of us kind of felt coming into this game that the defense they're starting to stack it, they're playing well there, this is a real good defense, and today it wasn't

the same. Everybody can't help but say, maybe it was a hiccup, Maybe those other games were a little bit more based on how things but it's just hard to come into this game being like they just need to take care of business today and then you give up two I'd love to hear what the coaches in private are saying about this game, like, you know, we sucked against the run, but there's no other team that we're going to play that can do what the Titans did.

For this reason, I don't know. It just seems so weird because two hundred and seventy yards of the that's college numbers, like you know, like that doesn't happen in the NFL a right, And that's why I think so many people are trying to say that's what they wanted, that they wanted. People are trying to I mean, that's

what I mean. That's when I was talking about, well, hey they won, like all right, you know, but I don't think it's I would make thee I'll make the argument about how I always make fun of like the running game, like that to me was the post a child for that game, that, yeah, you can run the ball all you want. If you can't score when you get down there, you're gonna lose. And the Patriots through the ball for three hundred yards and that's why they

scored enough to win. And I would say largely that's accurate, But I will not accept that the Patriots were giving them the run today, but they were playing like no defensive line like Bill Belichick is probably the best game planner that the River was. And you're telling me that he looked at what the Titans had in the passing game today and he thought that was the bigger challenge. Please, we have three phone calls and three emails to get too.

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one body, make it a theahbody. Join the conversation by calling the Asticket hotline at eight five five PATS five hundred, or email the show at web radio at Patriots dot com. You Hardy, I don't know how this turned to me getting yelled at. I'm so tired live from our studios inside you let stadium. Here's Hardy. Thank you're tired. Now, where do we get back to back primetime? Someone said to me today that there's a chance the twenty eighth moves to a primetime Also, Sarah a game on the

twenty eighth. What's twenty eight? I don't know. December twenty eight, December twenty eighth. The twenty six is Buffalo at one? I don't would they move that one? Oh yeah? Could that get flexed? Oh god? Oh yeah there was until but Henry with Henry out, you know, well, no, this didn't get flexed because they're they're coming off a night game. They have a night game next week. They weren't going to give him three night games in a row. Correct, But the one against yeah, three out of four? Oh

good grief. No, I don't want to think about. I don't think that will be either, because then they'll have the Monday night game and in the Saturday game they'll give him three in a row. Again, I don't think they'll do that, right, I mean, there's a bye week in the middle, but I don't I don't know. I don't think they'll do that, but you never know. Bail and san Diego. Hello, Bill, Hey guys, so how are we doing today? Good? I am very happy with the win,

as I'm sure you all are. And Bill Belichick. For him, it's like Christmas came early with a big win and a lot of false to point out to all his players in the week. During the week, let me ask you this, did you guys see a Weno at all? Is he hurt? I don't recall seeing him one. He came in for Carris for a little bit because I don't know if Carros got beat up a little bit, but he was in for Carris. But they didn't do a lot of tackle eligible plays and that's what he's

been doing lately. Be curious how many snaps he played. Didn't see him much. Yeah, it seemed like with the running game not going off very much that they may have utilized him a little bit more than they. I mean, the offensive line has obviously been clicking since Brown has start, has come in and has been a full time starter. But still, I don't know, it just it just seemed like,

you know, money and running quarterback. But it seems like that's something I think that they could have gone to a little bit more with their you know, when the third quarter rolled around and they were still getting more than a yard and a half per running attempts, yeah, I just pound it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just I kind of wanted more out of it. I thought when Trump Brown came back, he looked real good in that first game, and I think he's been okay

since then. But I was just hoping that they would be a plus running team. And you know, they couldn't do it. They couldn't do anything today. Even even the late garbage time runs that they had I thought were largely individual. I mean the run by Stevenson was terrific, terrific run. Nineteen yard running must have carried half the team. You guys smell gas. I don't mean I mean like natural gas. No, I mean not like the like the human gas. I mean no, oh, do they. Yeah, I

smell it. Oh great, kind of wrapped us up. Yeah, Kai in Hawaii, Let's make this quick. What do you got Kai? Hey, guys, first time, long time, once day. Thank you for our great content. You make it easy to be a Patriots fan from a far distance. Nice thank you. And then I also wanted to say, I just have a lot of fun watching this team. I was expecting really not much starting the season with the rookie quarterback. Wasn't sure how he was going to be.

And it has been really fun. They've been They've outperforming my expectations for sure. Every week. It's not perfect, and I will not say that they are the best team in a long time like that other color said, but they've been doing well. They've been playing well, They've been exceeding my expectations, and I'm enjoying the season. Well, i'll tell you what, kay, and thanks for the call. Last year, I think a lot of us said the same thing. Brady's gone, but it's going to be really interesting to

see what this team is like with Cam Newton. That only lasted for about half the season. Then I wasn't interested anymore. This year, we said the same thing. Well, it's going to be interesting to see who wins the job and how it goes, and it has proven to be of a real interesting watch to see what type of product is going to go out there, how the defense is going to play week in and week out, who the standouts are going to be. It's it's a

bit of a box of chocolates. I would I would call it a box of chocolates more than I would. Two thousand and one is very you don't know what you're going to get. I'm very pleased. Yeah. Yeah. On the field and off the field, I think just you know, the Judeon stuff has just been great. I mean, they've injected some personality in the team that wasn't really there. I guess there was, but it's just different. Um so yeah, it says I. Even the games that they've lost have

been close, have been competitive. It's easy to root for a young rookie quarterback. It's just there's a lot to like about the team. Speaking of off the field, Johnny and Ireland says, is it just me? But as the standard of post game player who calls in after when greatly increased this year? Oh um, should I expect a call from Mac Jones by the end of the season or is media available that you got to We've been getting great who every every time I come here, it's

Jacobe Myers. Well we've had second time. But I think he's right. I think that we've in general, we've had more relevant players in post game and I'm wondering if that's just because the locker rooms not open, so it's easier to get a relevant player. Yeah, who? Yes? Who else have we got this year? I'm a little bit we got born in one of the games. Right, we had jude On? I think didn't We didn't remember getting jude On. I thought we did. Matt probably has the log. No,

I don't know, okay, uh Katina and Houston um gradians, gentlemen. Oh, she says some nice things about my work on lithium. That's nice unless it's you work on lithium. Uh No. But by the way, I thought this earlier like a psychedelic drug. No. Our last caller from Ontario. I believe all our Canadian callers are on some kind of a sedative, every single one of them. They all there. It's either lithium,

xani something. They're on some kind of mood stabilizer. What I don't enjoy, uh is the oversensitivity of some callers who can handle the fact that the team is solid but at a subpar day, two things can be true at the same time. I also ordered a theory gun mini on Friday. Better be good because I only did it because you guys won't stop talking about You'll be happy to hear about that the dot Com moving products.

I think Sweet Kid bought one too, based on the sweet He's jack he needs to get in was a gift though he was asking me questions about it, and yeah, I recommend deep Robin Australia. What's up rob Hi Jens? How are you good to? Two questions for you and I'll let you go. Um. First one is and this probably goes to Freddie a little bit more. Does this

team remind you God? You may not even know a little bit of the twenty and ten Jets team, A little bit of of of that type of defense, young quarterback, the way they played were told obviously, and then um, another question for you guys, non football related. They were talking about eighties music on the broadcast in a kind of jog my mind. I want to ask Hardy what

his favorite like in stadium. As a fan, pump up music would be for me, it would be like House of Pain, Jump around, um, and you guys can all answer the question. For that matter. We talked about this in the pregame while Paul was out of the room. So I will spare step out. I'll spare him for this. There's stuff that doesn't get played out. I would love I would love to hear him drop California Love. I think here in Tupac and Dre would would get everybody going.

I like the old school cool in the Gang. Whenever they get that going, I dig that stuff well in the Gang. I don't know, I lean toward the old school. If you're talking about every something everyone is going to get into, you almost have to go seventies, eighties and it's almost has to be like up tempo R and B. House of Pain is an excellent song to get the crowd riled up, but it is not an excellent song. No, no, no,

it's but a garbage song. No, I didn't whatever how the pains the group, but uh oh yeah, I'm sorry. Jump around you know what I mean? Yeah, that always gets the crowd going, but it's someone else's song. Like Wisconsin does that that's their thing, you know. It's like Renegade is Pittsburgh's thing. Yeah, you know, and the crowd goes insane. Like I wish we had something that was a little bit more unique other than you know, like Zolak's playlist. Like I said before, Somebody in My Room

last Night by butthole Surfers. I don't want to go with Pepper, you don't want to go with the hit at that one of the great guitar riffs in Uh Someone's in my Room last night? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Um we get a little Fred Zeppelin. Final email and final thought of the day. Joe and Osbrey, Florida, Hardy, I respect your associate's opinions, but Mac does not belong on the good list. He belongs on the not good,

not bad along with I think we've agreed on that. Yes, Uh, well, no, you and I agree on We're getting Paul then Mike, and I'm only the good half. I had him on the good list. Uh he's he's still learning, but let's save the good list for when he plays good. That's Joe and Alsbury, Florida. All right, Joe, Well that was a little snarky. See, and here's here's what we're still trying to figure out. What the two thousand ten Jets words.

That's Sanchez Sanchez, Ye that Rex Ryan was the coach. Yeah, okay, Santonio. They had they had a little something going and they were, you know, they were not the most talented team, but they played pretty well as a team. I think it was like an eleven and five kind of a year maybe, And they went to the ABC Championship game. They yeah, they were they were pretty good. Revis Cromarti too, they

weren't great, but they were pretty good. Yeah yeah, Bart Scott, and they beat the Patriots two out of three times. They had a lot of swagger, you know. Yeah, you know when Rex is I mean, Rex is not probably not fit to be a head coach, but he's an

excellent defensive coordinator. Yeah, excellent. But but just like look at the model of when they went into New England in twenty ten, you know, like that's what the Patriots model is going to be, where you know, Max got to play like Mark Sanchez played the game of his life in that game where he played perfect, he lights out, He had some great pree touchdowns. You know, you know, and the defense getting an early takeaway to kind of set the tone after you know, a pretty good little

drive by the Patriots. It's just that, you know, those are the things. What's the complexion of the team. What kind of game are they gonna need to play to win in the playoffs? The overall takeaway from this game a sixth straight when the Patriots moved to eight and four on this season, with a big tilt against Buffalo coming up in week thirteen. So we will all look forward to that. We'll celebrate this victory, and we'll thank everybody who joined us on the postgame show via phone calls, emails,

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