Patriots Postgame Show 11/20: Breaking Down Last Second Win Over Jets, Injury Updates, Davon Godchaux Interview

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slipping and sliding. He was like a captain. Pop Pop bang. Welcome into the Patriots postgame Show presented by his Side for a Reason, where the Patriots beat the Jets ten three thanks to Marcus Jones an eighty four yard punt returned for a touchdown. With five seconds left in the game.

This was headed toward overtime. This was going to be this was going to be a conversation about how we should have spent our Sunday, what would what should we have done other than sitting through three hours and ten minutes of a football game that was going to result. And to Tamara Brown's credit, she said, some point early on in the second half, is this game going to

end in a tie? And at that point it was three to three, and it looked like that no team was going to be able to put points on the board today and it was going to go into overtime and end in a three three tie. And she asked early on, and he kind of scoff at it. And it was a real possibility until the New York Jets decided to make some very puzzling decisions down the stretch, and some puzzling decisions on both sides of the ball

down the stretch. But the New York Jets did's electing to call a time out, run a play that had no hope of extending their drive and punting the ball, giving the Patriots enough time to look. They didn't even need to run the ball back for a touchdown, there would have been enough time on the clock to put Nick Folk in field goal range and actually win the game that way in regulation based on how the game ended. But we've got so much to get to in just

the last two minutes of that game. There is practically nothing to talk about throughout first fifty eight minutes of clock, and in the last two minutes we are here to break it down here for you on the Patriots postgame Show presented by Cyber Reason Hardy Mike to Sell, Paul Perillan now joining us here in studio. As you can imagine, we were all in our seats until the last possible moment, and I was I had to been fit of being two floors lower than these guys, so I was able

to make it down here first. So welcome in juice. What a finish to that game, What a What an absolute exercise and futility for three hours followed by twenty seconds of sheer pandemonium. Right, Oh my gosh, what the heck has happened? I'm like, I'm I'm still in shock right now. I mean, you expect them, We're going over time, you know. And then all of a sudden, Marcus Jones.

I mean, that's what they drafted him to do. Had to leave the game briefly with an ankle injury, came back, So I guess the legend of Marcus Jones, who will continue to grow. So yeah, I mean, I don't know how much there is to dissect overall from from the game credit to the defense offense will we'll get into, I'm sure, but hey, defense and special teams, they did

it again for you. Well. One of the one of the bads in there I had originally written down was when the Patriots had to call a time out because they didn't have anyone back to receive the punt. But you know, as it turns out, it is because Marcus Jones was slowly to leave the field and he wasn't

able to get out there, and he wasn't okay. So I mean, all these things they somehow come to, you know, come to the same point, and they all end up leading to the same thing, which was just a crazy wild play at the end, a crazy decision from the from the Jets I think toward the end of that game. And the result is both teams come out of this game at six and four with the Patriots holding the tiebreaker, of course, after beating the Jets in both their meetings

this season. Paul, I don't know what you thought for the first three hours of that game, but just terrible football. I was just thinking about other things I wish I would have been doing. I have a couple of socks sitting at home that you know, I could go and maybe try and find the matches for those songs. You got lucky that you missed the Colts game. Okay, well I don't feel all that lucky except the result. Wow, the excitement at the end of that game. It made

it worth it. We'll see what you think here eight five five, pats five hundred and the email. I gotta get another look at this here we're playing it on the screen. So he cut about the sixteen and then it was and there was a cutback. The cutback was you know, it's just yeah, that was it. There was one play here at the end that I think the

Pits oh pads may have gotten away with the police. No, okay, now, I didn't think they were gonna be I can't believe holding on the third down before that, like the way that game was going. Yeah, are you surprised at all? Though that the flag. Could the flag have come out here? That's a plating block in the back. I didn't see that by so you're saying that could of the game was over anyway, he was going to kick a ten

yard field goal and win. And that was the point I'd made thanks to thanks to the Jets calling time out before they ran their last play from scrimmage. What they called a time or did they did? The Patriots called the time? Yes, okay, I thought it was the Jets time out. Well, h here we go. Let's get into it. Um, good, bad, injured? Is there is there anything else you want to talk about before we get into it. It It was a terrible It was a terrible, terrible.

It was a terrible game to watch, a terrible game to witness that started started off, started off with a ten minute delay and got worse from now. That is true. That was the that's when there was still hope. That was the most exciting part of the game, the first ten minutes when they didn't actually play in the last ten seconds, that's it. That's it. That would those would do two best parts of the game. Let's get into it here. Now it's time for the good pretty good

pretty good, the bad and the injured. Ah, you are right gay. Before we get into the good, the bad, and the injured, let's speak with Devon Gottscha was joining us now from the locker room. I'm sure you guys from being in follow moods to fantastic modes. Divon, congratulations on the win. I appreciate it. It's feel so good. It's so good to uh, you know, always get to

winning your division account as tools. You know, the Jets have a really good team, have been playing really good big win against Buffalo, but it feels good to come out with a winch that. Hey, Divon, I just gotta ask you, what what are things like right now for rookie Marcus Jones there in the locker room. I imagine you guys are all over him. Oh, he's been due for one. He's this guy. He's gonna he's gonna be special. He's gonna be very special. About to stay up because

he's a trying to bust. But he's been dupe for one of you. Look at the games. He's been been due to break one. He's going to be special. He's very dynamic. You know. I'm excited to see him over the years, Sabon, What can you talk about the run defense? They obviously the Jets wanted to play it close to the vest and play field position and do all those kinds of conservative things. But you just wouldn't allow it all day. What was the key to your success? Up front?

We know the Jets wanted to run the ball. They want to They ran the ball. They try to run the ball and make the complete get against Buffalo. The Buffalo game the last time played us uh the quarterback to a couple picks, So we knew they want to come out and run a ball. So you know, we wanted to come out and stop them, you know, like that that's that's that's my job. That's a lot of guy's job. And be long, you know, don't get all

accolades and double teams and all that. You know, you don't see that on the statieet, but when you watch the games and the staid so we just want to come out and stop it. Though, do you have to guard against being impatient in a game like that when you're kind of waiting for something to happen, you're standing in the sidelines, you're waiting for your offense to kind of pull ahead. Do you have to be careful not to get overaggressive when you get back out of the

field and try and get another stop. Yeah, it really didn't matter. I mean we could have got one pick. It really didn't matter. Whatever. We would have got one field I mean I mentioned saying one field goal. It didn't matter. We just know it's the score was tied three three. We wasn't allowed to let them score against there though, so you know, kind of human let him like a cross the ppyr line. Yeah, I was. Defense played pretty good today and they mostly rang the ball.

We know they want to try to run a ball, so we know we had to stop runt. So you know, that's why that's why they brought guts like me here devon what's now on tap? I mean you got a quick turnaround to the Vikings in a few short days. I mean, how can you build with this energy just coming off the field with a big win like that, carry that into Thursday twenty four. I was just you know, clear, we're gonna watch it tomorrow. I'm actually gonna try to

go home and watch some of the Minnesota game. Team is playing something high, playing pretty good. We gotta make sure we come out and start fast on both all three phases. Uh, you know, do just team have a lot of confidence. They're playing out pretty good. I got a very good offense, very good with sevens, very good running mat So maybe you want to make sure we come out and start fast. You know, we're gonna watch

this game. Get to give the corrections that move on to better all right, Devon, Like Deuce just said, he had a short week, so we'll let you go. Congratulations on the wind, all right, thank you? All right, take care, there he goes Devon. Gotcha who's defensive UNA did their job today holding the page, holding the jets too. I think one hundred and four hundred three I think on hundred four hundred three yards of total offense, just over one hundred yards in total, fifty nine yards rushing two

point six per carry. Zach Wilson was nine of twenty two for seventy seven yards. All right, so there we go. We would like to thank Microsoft and Microsoft Surface, specifically, the official sideline technology provider and laptop of the NFL and the New England Patriots, provides players and coaches with the tools to succeed both on and off the field. Check out the powerful Surface Pro eight, combining the power of laptop with the flexibility of a tablet at surface

dot Com. Oh all right, now we can get into the ground without worrying about someone calling in. Now we play some football. Well, I mean Hetty called in during the good what else? I mean, there's a few good things talking about it, But it's it's defense. Defense doing their job today, duce. Yeah, sure, but let's share. I mean, I was going to throw Marcus Jones on there, just to the obvious one for the for the big play at them, but I got But but let's start with

the defense. I mean, I just you know, I mean, they think they allowed them one first down after the half, so they just refused to let the team down and they had to today again. I just think gotcha, guy, all those guys up front, um, were just really strong and stout. And it's a continuation of how they've been playing against these teams. Now that said, great performance. Now the stage is set. Now you got legit offense in Minnesota and then Buffalo coming up. So um but you know, hey,

you gotta give them credit. The yardage speaks for itself. One hundred yards. I mean that's you know, they shut they shut the Jets down completely and you know for a large part. I mean, you know, if they weren't able to come through the punt, one play could have changed it really quick. So um, they were able to get those stops. I was a little nervous down the end, but uh but yeah, they they shut them down. Um. I think just defensively, and obviously it's gonna it's gonna

start in with Marcus Jones. I mean, the biggest play of the game and the you know, the the truly the only big play of the game that just obviously changed anything in the whole tone of the day, in the whole tone of the game. But uh, yeah, I'll give it up to the to the defense first, Paul,

what do you yeah, I mean, the run defense was outstanding. Um. I also thought, um, the timely nature of some of the pressure in the second half, especially they didn't get much in the first half, but I thought they kind of adjusted their pass rush where Wilson got free a couple of times for some scrambles, and in the second half, I thought they did a better job of containing him while getting after him. So yeah, I mean defensively, Jonathan Jones,

I thought was a standout in coverage. I mean, I know they weren't pressured because of the nature of the game, and they weren't throwing. They couldn't sustain any offense, but Jonathan Jones was one that stood out to me in the run defense. All Right, I will give I will give a credit to the first offensive player, I guess, and just in order, starting with Romandrea Stevenson. I mean, your offense came from you know, two running backs today essentially,

and of course one huge special teams play. But I had Romandrea Stevenson down early as as something that looked better than everything else out there. How's that? Yeah, Well, the third and sixteen run that he just like powered through five tackles I think to get the first down. I mean that was That's what Remandri has been doing all year long. And you know, I think there were a couple plays where there were some holes, but largely I think the guys had to get everything they earned.

For Damien Harris had a nice big run too, But um, you know, handful of offensive plays probably that we can you know, hand out some acknowledgement too, But that's probably I mean, offensively, if we're going to do this it's individual plays. Yeah, it's it's the third and eighteen passed that Stevenson broke four tackles on to get a first down. It's two runs by Damian Harris, one for twenty two and one for thirty yards. I mean, remindre Stevenson had

fifteen carries for twenty six yards in this game. Horrific one point seven yards to get and it wasn't not Stevenson. I mean, that's not on Stevenson, no, but but but Damian Harris had eight for sixty five, two big runs thirty and twenty two yards. We're talking about individual plays offensively because there was nothing, no, and for Stevenson it was you know, it was like just just said it was a reception that it was, you know, like I'll

run you know, yeah, one reception. But the point is what we're going to keep going back to is that they couldn't do anything with their good fortune. If they did convert on a third and long, they couldn't do anything with it. They didn't ever get any points out of that. Yeah, they were there were granted outstanding field position time and time again, and couldn't do anything with it. Yeah.

And I mean you know, and I'm sure we'll talk plenty about this, but I mean I thought, you know, individually, they had some good plays, some good drives. I thought Mac had, you know, looked a little bit more comfortable in the pocket. I thought he delivered some balls that

we haven't really seen him delivered this year. But as they got closer to the red zone, all of a sudden, things just started falling apart and you're taking penalties, you're making negative plays, you're taking sacks, and then you're moving backwards. So you know, there were some little pieces there where you're like, there's a play that looks you know, I think more than I've probably seen. But the negative plays

continue to be there. I saw a stat at the end that was, you know, the Patriots had ten negative plays to the Jets eight. So they continue to go backwards, they continue to take penalties, and you know, we can talk about the one I was counting. I only had nine. I missed one. I didn't think it was twenty three and twenty seven, the ultimate two hundred forty six, the ultimate plastic stat game of all games. Because Mike just

hit it. They would make and we're seeing the highlights now, you know, they would make a play, Damian Harris would would go thirty yards, they would get down in position to get points, and he would take a sack. He did it like three times, Like you can't take a sack when you're on the edge of field goal range in a game that the wind was definitely a factor at that end of the stadium. And he got sacked six times today. He wasn't under attack. It wasn't like

free runaway guys. Like there were times that he was standing back there with plenty of time. They couldn't sustain anything offensively. If the Jets weren't if the Patriots, I'll rephrase that instead of saying that the Jets weren't so inept, if the Patriots defense wasn't so dominant, you'd look at this as one of the worst offensive games you ever saw by the Patriots. I mean, fourth or fifteen on third down, thirteen first downs in the game, two hundred

and ninety seven total yards. That's like the fifth game in a row they've been under three hundred yards of total offense. That's pathetic. Now, in comparison to the Jets, it's not so bad, but they couldn't do a thing offensively in this game. And again it was just some individual plays. John and I would throw John who Smith in there, who made a couple of individual plays. But even on one of his I think that they had a little jet sweep. I think that might have been

a touchdown and he dropped the ball. Well, that was That was my first good that I had was John who Smith's fumble recovery. But yeah, to immediately counter with that was the ghost of somebody who forced the fumble. He's switching hands for no apparent reason on that play. I didn't get it. Zoe talked about it on the broadcast. He said, look, it's cold out there, he said, and he grabbed one of the footballs during warmups. He's like, they're slick. It's it's also not the first rodeo for

these guys. They've played football in cold weather before. They know what this is. Like, it's and you just he's wearing gloves. I mean, it's like there's it was a good play to get the ball back and that's how you ultimately otherwise you probably lose the game. Yeah, it's a probably lose three nothing if you because that's where they got their field goal after that in right, and they ain't punting the ball if they're up three, nothing there not doing that. They punted the ball out of bounds.

It was it was a fantastic recovery, but you immediately have to counter it with well, why, you know, how did he fumble it? Why just dropped the ball? He was switching hands and I don't really understand why, but I did think he was. He made a couple of plays and I thought, you know, as a good I thought there was a little bit more creativity offensively today at times, um, you know, a little bit more play action, a little bit more under center throw on first down,

throwing on early downs. And now it didn't always work the first down, first play of the games. They get tacked on first down. Um, so the player the play actions that they ran on Hunter Henry's reception. Hunter Henry had said, and I say, John, who had one, Yeah, singularly, his one reception today was the result of great play at actually good and good fit you know, good good work by Mac. But but I could put all eleven guys on defense on the good list. I'm sorry, I'm

hard pressed to get anybody on offense on it. It was bad. Um, I know, the Jets have a good defense too, just like the Patriots did. But you got to move the ball. I put it. I put a Harris on there too, just be yeah, Harris booms. Yeah, that's you know, eight for sixty five solid day. I mean, I don't want to, you know, just hand out boot case the defense, but I would just I would. I would highlight choot On and Uh and Wise kind of together. I've got, yeah, I had, I had. I thought Wise

was really good today. Yeah, I just you know, those guys coming through in some big moments. Um, you know Mac Wilson as well, a couple you know, key kind of Wilson was good too. Yeah, I agree, I'll put I'll put Devon Gacho and there just because there was a great phone call. There was really a himball. Yeah, he was happy. They will let's puin him out, let's give him an honorary good list today. I don't even think I mean, I think he gets on there for

his play. I thought he was good un too so, um, but you know, otherwise I would just say though generally, like I just think it's the team defense, you know, and and as much as you want to highlight individual guys, I think that they're, you know, playing well together. The coverages is playing well. I mean, you had the one what was the thirty four yarder that Jack Jones didn't really turn around and look the other guys stopped. But other than that, they really didn't give up much of

anything today and they're they're playing well. But like I said, now, I want to see it against the Vikings. I want to see it against the Bills. Does it look like in the next couple of weeks. Okay, let's let's just let's just get through the I know I'm I'm telling you, you really want to see what it looks like. You want to see what it looks I want to get hurt again. I want to get hurt. I don't I

don't know that I'm quite ready to say that. Yes, I am eagerly anticipating how they look against the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday night. I can't say, why are you saying that? You're saying that because you think they're going to get rolled by the Vikings. Do you think the Vikings are overrated and that they'll be fine. I'm not sure which angle you're coming at it from the first that they're going to get rolled. So you have no false sense of security at all with this defense. You

think they're they're paper champions right now. Well, I think Minnesota, even if if you play against you very good defense, I think Minnesota can still score ten points, thirteen points, you know that is okay? And I don't and I don't know that you can score more than that. And I know the front seven for the Jets is fantastic, But I mean, you want to talk about like a conditions game and it was cold as a little windy. It wasn't that bad out there. It really wasn't that

level of offense bad. Oh well that was like Buffalo offense last year, right, I mean, I mean they played that game like it was in Buffalo last year with forty mile an hour crossfield sustained wins. That wasn't that. That was just that was a November football game, That's all that was. Yeah. So I no, I am not I am not looking forward to how this team looks against a very good football team in the Minnesota Vikings.

Not quite there, ye all right, asked me after ask me after a couple of days, like I'm not interested and watching like until they have an offense that's like, yeah, you could play defense and winning. You can win games like this. Sure the defense played great, but I don't want to watch that. I don't know, I don't know who wants to watch games like that. Um, how how much do you want to like get into the bad list?

I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be entire groups, It's going to be certain plays, it's gonna be a lot. I mean, do you want do you want to do you want to focus in on things now? Or should we just leave it for the entirety of the post game? Because I gotta tell you, as as good as you need to feel, and I'm not going to qualify to win. It's a win and you're six and four and you

took care of business. But a part of what I was saying, you know, like no style points before, I need to see the game first, Like that was a good call by you. Um, can we just start with the offensive line and just spend a moment talking about the offensive line? And I know they lost Andrews early on, but even with Andrews in, it did not look good the first play of the game, you know, allow of

your quarterback to be sacked. I mean, come on. Yeah, when wind goes out too, and then you I don't know what's going on with Trent Brown was I mean I saw some online speculation that he was maybe sick, but you know that that kind of came out of nowhere. He was then put in both tackles, had rough times. I mean, there were a couple of times it felt like they were coming around the corner and meeting at the quarterback. Um, it's just uh, it's it's not it's

it's gonna get mac hurt first of all. But I mean they just they can't really do anything, and it's just I think the thing that's hard is that I saw moments of Matt kind of being comfortable in the pocket and then you know, you see that I don't see that's like all right, there's some time there. But uh, yeah, just it's it's tough, and then you wonder what's going to happen now. Is Andrew's out, you know, thigh injury?

Was that mean? Um? And his win out? So you know you might be looking at Yadnika just and James Fern's for the immediate future. Certainly with a quick turnaround in three days, that's that's gonna be a big, big storyline this week. I was afraid the way he stood up, the way Andrews stood up on that like he had

broken his femur. I mean it looked like, you know something really now, it's hard to imagine a guy that tough getting like a deep bone bruise or something like that and him, you know, unable to walk off the field under his own power. He did go down the stairs into the locker room under his own power. But that's David Andrews. That is a guy who's like, no, I'm not getting on any cart and being taken off the field that way. But I don't know what that

injury could be. It's so were I mean, we were doing our speculating up there, but you know, first year hoping it's like just the Charlie horse. But he was really really hurt, and when they declared him out, I started thinking real bad stuff. So all right, um, what else do you want to focus in on? What do you have on your bad list that Yeah, it's really stuck in your crawl you need to get out. I mean I already said the thing about just how frustrating

it was when they'd string a couple plays together. And get close to the red zone and then all of a sudden, it was like it was like magnets, like you flip the magnets around and they start to get close, and they just there was this force pushing them back away from the red zone. It's just the execution and the overall focus of the team as they get close to the end zone. I mean, they didn't score a touchdown today. There's little reason to see why you think

they're making strides in that area. I do like some of the things they did on offense, but the red zone and the execution when they get close to the red zone remains a mess. Hi boss Man Fred Kirtch joining us now in the post game. What's up there, Fred? Oh, you know, just uh, you know that game was like those Twitter videos you see and it says wait for the end. That's that's the way this game was. Yeah, we're not going to focus a whole lot of think on the bad list. We took care of the very

short good list. We're going to talk about, you know, the way things went during the game. But I mean, obviously, the the offense is a big, big concern right now and how they're going to be able to match up. Defensively, We'll give them credit where it's due, but offensively, if you're not able to move the ball effectively and you're not able to protect your quarterback, I'll take the win.

I'll absolutely take the position they put themselves in. But it makes you wonder how things are going to look here in the coming weeks, especially when they have to put they got to get back on the field in a few short days. And then long after that, you knew things we're not going to be perfect when you saw could you starting and Win starting and Trent Brown We're starting where you're like, what's going on? You know?

Up We're trying, you know, trying to figure out exactly what the level of health is for some of these guys. But this is a conversation we've had with a lot of these guys in the game. I mean, I I don't want to make it sound like we're doing any excuse making because it hasn't mattered a whole lot personnel wise who has been in during the year. There there are times when everybody is has done the whole offenses

out of sink. It goes from the coaching on down, and I don't know, like if you talked about it. But I was really upset when they decided to go for it on fourth and three. That's my biggest thing on the bad list. I haven't got a field goal in a game like this. They weren't in field goal range. You punt, I mean punt. I'm sorry, you punt, and a game like this, you punt. Then it was second

and two or three and Max sneaks. Now everybody's assuming that it was Max's call, that he did that on his own, but my inside sources are telling me it was a call play stupid. I don't care whose decision it was. It was a bad decision. I agree with the last part there. Yeah, I don't care who's whose call it was. If you sneak, you make you have to get it right second and two, you have to get it, get it, yeah, you know, but I hate that when you have second and very short and you

sneak it. Yeah. I don't like that when your offense is good, right, yeah, exactly, let alone when it's bad. Yeah, Well, on second and short, two is usually a down and distance that you might like to get a little creative or you know, yeah, kind of dial something. Absolutely, you know, So I hated that, but the fourth and three from the thirty six yard line, you know, to me, it completely allowed. Now they got away with it because the

Patriots defense just completely suffocated New York. But the only way you were losing that game was a turnover slash field position kind of thing where you know, the Patriots had a situation where they were punting the ball and they were pinning the Jets inside their ten getting three and out. It's getting the ball back around midfield. Just keep doing it until you finally score, right, and now all of a sudden, you go for a fourth down

from the thirty six you gets stuffed. Now the Jets have twenty plus yards of field position that they didn't have. It was twenty yards plus. We're watching the play right now. It's like, all right, you're gonna go for it on fourth down? What do you do? Long delay sweep? You know, because that's been working really well. And so I gave them credit for you know, I did think they did some different things offensively today and showed some creativity. I gave him credit for that in the good list. But

I agree with Fred. I think that was an egregiously bad decision by Bill Belichick to go for you. He's the guy who I don't even care about the play, just the decision to go for it. Um, that could have cost you the game. Now the Jets. The Patriots offense bailed them out because they completely stuffed the Jets.

I can't separate myself completely. I care about the play too, because the play call was so horrific and just it it goes against you know, anybody with any lick of sense watching this team this year is saying like, well, you know that doesn't work. I know you. I know you've been trying it since camp and it's your shiny nude toy that you somehow think is going to be fun. It doesn't work. It's not working. You need to stop

doing it. When should you? When should you really not do it on a fourth and three that you shouldn't be going for anyway. I mean, I don't know how many times you can double down on the decision and the play call. But it's both, and it starts with the decision. I'd get it if you just want to leave it, they're fine, but I can't separate the actual play either. UM. I gotta tell you this is this is really nitpicky. But the dropped interceptions, especially the one

from Accordy. Yeah, it's right, it's just it's right there, it's it's it's it's a veteran player, it's a guy that you expect to be able to just write in the chest. The mccordy one was bad. I cut Jonathan Jones. I assume that's the other one you're talking about. Jonathan Jones. He was laying out that'd be a tough guy. I don't think that's a drop. The mccordy one was a drop. That's a drop. Um. I had that on my on my bad list of just things that really really bothered me. Um,

I I'll throw uh. I just Thornton, I mean everybody, And I know, like one fumble that didn't technically count is really probably reason to land on there. But the more that we all watch that, the more real way. Yeah, and and just and I think it connects for me to the fact that we get all these calls about like get Thornton involved, you know, and it's just disappointing. They're trying to get him involved early and you know, he puts the ball in the ground. And I mean,

I think you know, they seem to pull him. So, I mean, I it was a really close play. I'm not sure if that. I've seen a couple this year that were called fumbles on plays like that, two full steps, a third one really close to hitting the you know, maybe maybe maybe not the third one that was a

fortunate play. That's a touchdown. They're inside the five. And it's just the mistakes like this that are going to continue to hurt his development and keep him off the field and you know, not not make them able to say, hey this kids are going to make plays. Let's get him more involved. Now he's going to continue to be kind of in the middling, you know, area of receivers that aren't really produced. Like you know, as frustrated as wey are. If you're a Jets fan, oh my god,

you have to be killing yourself. I mean, they've got a problem with Zach Wilson. This is a guy after the last game who came out and said, yeah, we'll see them in two weeks. And then this is what you bole. Teams have the same problem. But I know, but they have absolutely no confidence in their quarter. But this is what you put up. I mean, he thinks he's good that's the problem. He thinks he's good. They

I don't understand what's the difference. You can't We don't think it's three three with five seconds left from the game. I don't know how we're like puffing our chests out like we have. Both have the same problem. They have good defense, no offense, quarterback can't score. Well, you don't think if you're a Jets fan you're frustrated with your quarterback. Yeah, every bit as frustrated as I am as a Patriots

fan right now. I'm frustrated that I can't move the ball and I can't score points despite as Hardy said, taken over at midfield throughout the second half. Yeah, I really don't take much solace in time of possession or the yards or anything else, you know, because again, you know, Socie and Zille were talking about this, you know, the Patriots. If I'll played the Jets today and they did all the Patriots, absolutely, I'll play the Jets today. What doesn't matter.

What does it matter if you can't convert when you need to and score points. And I'm not going to put him on the bad list, but I'm sorry Nick Folk missed a couple of field goals today and what was not a driving howling win because you don't put Nick Folk on the bad list. I'm not gonna put him on the Are you gonna put him on the bad list? I would, Yeah, missed a fieldicles, but put them in the put them on the bad list then. But this is like an entirety of the game. You

talk about who got out played today? Yeah, I guess statistically the Patriots were able to complete more passes and run the but but so what some When it comes down to it, you scored three points on offense today. Three? Okay, you're absolutely right coming out of the game. Which team should have more hope? If you got a quarter in your pocket, I'll flip it like, I don't have any hope for either team right now. If I'm the Jets, I have no hope. I feel well, let me put

it to you this way. If I'm the Patriots, hope that, like the Jets have some degree of hope because they prove that they can show up and beat a team like Buffalo. How much hope do you have that the Patriots can go to Minnesota and went on Thursday night. Oh, they could do that. But anything that's possible. Yeah, I just don't have like and you're talking about faith and hope. I don't know how you can come out of that game either side. Maybe Marcus Jones can return whatever. I

don't know. There's evidence that the Jets can beat a real football team, because they did they beat Buffalo. So far, the Patriots haven't done that. Honest question, honest answer. If let's just say that they go down in the punt return was three yards, they go to overtime, what does

everybody think the outcome of the game is. So? I mean, I don't know how you can come out of that with any degree of hope, like harmonize that I said about halfway through the third quarter, this game is either going to be decided by a a blocked punt or b a punt return. Yeah, I said it about halfway through the third quarter. Someone's gonna block a punt or someone's gonna return a punt. That's the only way someone's scoring in this game. Well, that's also because about half

the plays in the game were punts. I mean, right again, So because my quarterback went twenty three for twenty seven and the other quarterback went nine for twenty two, I don't care neither team moved the ball and neither team scored. I care seventeen punts. I think your quarterback was shaky as hell today with those six sacks. He costs them points constantly. I don't know what what what the hope is for. All I'll say is that stare down the barrel of almost losing that game and what like the

alternative would have been to blow that game. I don't know where the Patriots are had it. I just know I think the season would have ended if they lost. At least you've got some hope for the next few days to see. We'll see what We'll go to Minnesota.

Every point you made about their offense and everything is apt, but you know it's it's these are these are good teams now that they're gonna have to play, so there's no more we were able to not let them get a first down after the second half, like you're not gonna be a whole teams like that. So but considering the alternative, I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, do I eliminate their chances to be Minnesota or Buffalo or Miami or Vegas or no, they could they could win games

over those teams. I don't think they'll win enough of them not playing. You can't play like this. You can't just try to like play around your quarterback constantly and win. And I second and two quarterbacks sneak And if Fred's telling me now it was a called play, like that's playing around your quarterback. You know, I don't know. You know that they did what they needed to do to

win the game today. I would have done the same thing, I thought, because I think the only way you were going to lose that game is turning the ball over. So did you initially think that it was a broken play? And Matt just decided to tell I thought he just called, Yeah that's what I took it, Okay, yeah, all right, But Freddy's got some inside dope. Well, to me, it looked like that, I mean, just the way it unfolded, like right there in front of us. I'm like, because

I looked at Louth. He said the same thing, he said, what does that play? It looked like that was the play? Right? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Uh injured. I hated when they did it with Brady. Was our team just dumb um? Yeah? But well talked about David Andrews, and we talked about isay when um Marcus Jones. Apparently apparently he's okay. He saved he saved the season, so evidently he's okaya. The Kurt's shilling the tape up his ankle that put me in coach, I got one more return

in me. He limped onto the field and uh yeah, eighty plus yards later, I mean they are trying to get Smith involved. Oh yeah, you know. Um. By the way, there were a lot of Jets fans in front of us today as there you know normally are there's you know, pockets of the visiting team section, and it was from a Jets fan because we could identify his voice. He was yelling after another one of the numerous injury timeouts.

There was the Jets higher down on the field and you heard this guy specifically say, oh god, come off. That was us up in the first pots too. I don't know how the game got over as fast as I don't need to seem like there was an I mean, there was all punts, all injuries in the game was delayed, but it was also all well, it wasn't all running plays. No, I don't know. I don't know. There were no offensive plays.

I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how the clock kept running and how it got over as soon as it did. Let me throw this out there. Thank you to Tom Sean Millers for sending me this. Ian Rappaport says Patriots center David Andrews is feared to have suffered a serious thigh injury that could end his seasons. So said, my guess is that he broke his femur. He'll have more testing done to determine the extent. But now that's what I was thinking. Well that's what I

thought too. I said it before you even came in, that it looked like a broken leg because the way he couldn't put any weight on it at all. In it, you know, that's it. Just it looked like maybe that was I mean, that's the most significant bone breaking. I believe me. I know a lot about it. I unfortunately know a lot about it. What does that rehab? Like, how long does that takes like a whole year? It's like six months? Then, well, it all depends on what

kind of surgery he'll have. Like for my son, he had to have a plate with with nine screws put in and it was nine months, I mean six months before you could get that played out. And then it was another you know, like another month or so with him not you know, I think it was three more months with no contact. That's a very very significant injury for anybody. Broken femur if I mean we're speculating, I mean Ian Rapood says serious thigh injury, torn quad. I

mean we speculated. To me, that's not a serious thigh injury, like serious to me is a broken bone. But all right, um, I'm gonna grab some calls here. Anybody else have anything good? Bandage him. We're gonna take a break real quick, says Marie Matt. Let's do that. Let's also thank us cyber Reason, the presenters of the Patriots postgame show. Great defenders don't just play on the field, they're also protecting your company and data. Cyber Reason on admission to end ransomware and

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radio at Patriots dot com. I mean, I don't want to be doom in gloom, but do you think the offense is going to figure anything out this year live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy Wow. Well you'll answer your own question. They're dooce. Did they figuring out anything today? I don't look like it. No. They had a couple of new twists, you know, a couple of plays. Well, the problem is when the Patriots just lined up, the Jets are just better. They're they're from

is just better. So if if the Jets line up in the right the Patriots aren't going to have success. They had to use a little deception, especially once it got into deference and you know that that part of it. Yeah, uh, let us go to the phones here. We'll start with Uh. I'm gonna go with Mika. Could be Mica in Delaware. We'll find out momentarily. You're on the Patriots postgame show. How do you pronounce your name a little person? It's

Micah all right, like like Parsons Like. I was just like racking member and watching that game, thinking about things I'd rather do than be watching that football game. I was thinking about listening to Paul talk about his fantasy team. I don't do that. Eric. Do you stand up comedy? Yeah?

Like anything, I really, I'm just I'm just so happy Marcus Jones hold it out at the end there, because not like I don't care to we won at all, Like just the end of the the game, I go the prospect of like a full like ten minute overtime back and punt and punt and punt, and that was such a relief, give me out. But Paul got in a little bit trouble a couple of weeks ago talking about

Minster Stevenson being the best player on the team. But we still have the same record if we didn't have him, And I think this is like a great example of that. I think, you know, obviously the stats don't bear it out, but some of the plays that he made, the broken cackles and things that he was like able to turn nothing into something like that's really great talent. And it's just it just doesn't matter if that's really the only

thing that's going on in the field. Yeah, that was you know, you're right, Mica, because today was a game that kind of illustrated the point. I thought he was really good, you know, but he averaged less than two yards of Gary Like he didn't he wasn't responsible really for any of their offense. That, you know, because any of their production, because they had no production. So even when you had an individual that played well, it's not really a difference maker at especially at that position. But

it doesn't mean he hasn't played well. And I think he's he's played very well. And I thought Damian Harris gave them a little spark today. I thought he was had a little juice to his game. The thing that but again that didn't translate to anything either. No, it didn't, Mike it thanks to the call. I'll just say this, Paul, while you're watching the game before you know that they're not going to say get into the end zone and they're not going to do anything more than the one

field goal offensively. As I was watching the game, I said, if it's not for Romandre Stevenson and Damien Harris, they have no offense today. And Stevenson, he was he caught all six balls that were throwing his way. You know, it's not just the rushing in the in the horrific you know average that he put together together for the rushing. If if you're being honest, you have to say, if it weren't for those two guys, it's even more unwatchable than it was. That's and I'm not giving him credit

for having a great offensive day. I'm just saying, but absolutely those were the guys. That's why we put him on the good list. Okay, all right, yeah absolutely, I'm just saying to win the game anyway, It's my point. But the two biggest plays where Hunter Henry and Jono Smith, right, well, I think it was the run, the thirty yard run away Damien Harris twenty two yard runs really the Hunter Henry played. Jon Smith had a twenty six yard catch,

the Hunter Henry reception. I think it was his only target. I know it was one catch twenty yards. That was one of the few players today that looked like offense. Yeah, play acts. That's what I said about the design. I thought that they at least showed a little creativity today and squeaked some you know, they leaked some tight ends out into areas where they were able to catch the Jets out of position because when they lined up they

couldn't move the ball in inch throughout the day. But they had some chunk plays today, it just didn't translate to any any points. Let's go to Eric in New Jersey on the Patriots postgame show. What's up? Eric? Hey, guys, First question, dude, you said you call him Mac made some throws that he hasn't made before. Oh what throws were they? Because I didn't. I didn't, I didn't see any of that. Um. So, I mean, I'm not saying

like overall, like he's never made throws. He just to me, on a few of his passes, he looked more comfortable in the pocket than he's looked in the last couple of weeks. I'm not saying all of a sudden he was, you know, making all amazing throws that we haven't seen. But I just I just thought he had some places he looked. He looked a little bit more comfortable to me today overall than he has in the last couple of weeks. Okay, I got you. Um, And I'm much of a homer. I'm much of a homer as Fred

and I won't. You know, I won't. I won't attack Fred. That fall's job. But this this, I mean Mac, like, I mean, the offense isn't I mean the offense in general, you can just I mean, you can throw it all all in the same bags. I just don't know how like I've seen enough. There's just no confidence. I mean, watching this game, I was better off watching the high school football games. I mean, this was Cam Newton offense at UM. I just don't know how. There's just nothing.

There's just nothing again, you can move the ball between the hashes. Uh, you know when you get down into that you know passage, you know in the red area of you know, past the thirty it's just pedestrian. I mean, at what point you know you can't keep hanging hanging your hat on Nick Folk. You know he's due for a bad game, and you know whether you know, but even Tom you got you got to muscle some balls

in there. I know, you know Max doesn't have the strongest onm but at some point in your career you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to muscle some balls in there. And I mean, I just don't know how we take any any confidence. I mean, how many weeks is this that we keep talking about the offense not scoring, especially getting down in the red area that you know, at what point is it going to change? And I'll take it off the line, but I mean, guys, in

the let's we gotta be realist here. How how are we going to compete with the Bengals, you know, some of these good teams when we get down into that area, and it's just I just don't see any hope that, you know, we can score any points. And I appreciate a guys, thank you. Guys. Well, it's assuming you can get down into that, they're gonna have to figure it out. You're not winning games on punt returns with five seconds left every week. It's just you have to have to

figure out how to how to move the ball. They haven't moved the ball in over a month, that is, I think five straight games under three hundred yards. Like I mean it, it's just it's what it is. Yeah, it's what it is. They can't score, and until they figure out how to score, you're not beating any team of any significance. Let's go to Dave in Chicago Patriots postgame show. Hi Dave, what's going on? Hey guys, what's up? Hey? Hey? So yeah, one of the things. By the way, I

love the show and just enjoying it. Thank you. I was cracking up earlier when you guys did that thing with the synchronized tie. Me and my buddies were doing the same thing. We're like, how's this game gonna end? We're like time, we all saw it happening. And but anyway, one of the things that bothered me in this game, you know, it's such a tight game and you got all the defense holding it down, is nobody's scoring and mac Jones is just taking sack as soon as they

get down to the twenty yard line. It's just like he's given himself up. I know some of them, you know, he kind of got knocked over by Trent Brown on one of them, but there was one where he's just like an arm hit him in the leg and he's just like, yeah, like they needed he needed to throw the ball away. He needed to do this Wilson thing, like to throw the ball away and you can kick field goals. Get three point yes, right, I agree with you. Losing my mind they got to the seven, they ended

up on the twenty nine. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I was like, just get three point. I was like, six to three. That's the final sport. If you can get three, the game's over. Like I was just so frustrated by that. Um and um oh another thing kind of cracked you have you guys seen that meme lately with Lebron, where you know he's like predicting the future. He's like, oh yeah, you know, I watched the high school tape of like This Guy, and I called it

right before it happened. That kind of cracked me up when I heard Faull say, you know, I think they're gonna have a punt return or like a block punt here. That's what's gonna end the game. I said it in the third quarter, and then it turns out you're right. Did you really say that or is that a Lebron asked Mike. I mean it's I mean, you can all feel it. Yeah. I mean if it wasn't that, it

was gonna now I'm not gonna lie. I was leaning more toward the blocked punt because I actually think a punt return would show skill, and I didn't think there was any skill on display today. But you like Marcus Jones. I love Marcus Jones, He's my favorite rookie by fuck um. But I thought it would be a play on special teams or you know, a turnover. But I had mentioned someone's gonna block a punt or return a punt, and

that's how the game's gonna end. I didn't think it was gonna be like on the last I was just saying, at some point in the game, I didn't think it was going to be a walk off, you know, Sean Jackson, like you know for the the Eagles against the Giants one hundred years ago. In terms of the officiating today, and this didn't have any impact on the game whatsoever. But there were a couple of bad play calls. And he mentioned the uh, you know, just in the in

the punting game, the roughing the kicker call. Yeah, that was the subject for some debate up in our up in our section. I thought he landed on the guy, and that's a penalty five yard put five yard, not a fifteen. Yeah. And and the fun alley of that fourth and five, how many was it three times? Oh my gosh, three times they had to do that? Played that we didn't get enough punts today. We needed to get a couple of them replayed. But watching it on the replay, I thought, in no way should was that

a penalty even in today's NFL. I didn't think they got that one correct. So we'll guys talk about the delay of the game. Yeah, ten minutes at the start power outage in the trucks. I thought supposedly there was an accident on Route one that caused a power surge. Yeah, we CBS truck. Yeah we noticed it when we were on the pregame show. The TV went out and all these TVs went out, and Matt all of a sudden

went into like checking buttons mode. You know, but that, but that, So that just knocked us back ten minutes where they said everything actually just five Yeah. Um, I don't know, Uh you say surge or an outlet seas, No, I like that. All I know is I got a chance to eat a delightful lunch upstairs of keish and steak tips. I didn't have any steak tips. I had to had a strip of bacon and chicken and make it down series in time for kickoffs up. You know, you know, I didn't mind. It was fun. I didn't

want to miss a second of that game. I tell you that. Uh. Scott in Michigan, Scott on the Patriots postgame show, Hello, hey guys, how are you good? Good good? Can you hear me? Yeah, so a lot of the other callers have stolen my fun to hear about moving

the ball. But I guess what I want to ask you guys analysts, we're all bemoaning the stack, but when it comes to red zone possessions, is it just total system failure or what's the one or two issues that preventing the teams he's scoring a touchdown, what are the issues that's preventing them from scoring touch What's going on? And you think it's just way calling, is a lack of execution? Is it all of the above? Ye, well, it's a it's a combination. And I think that the

best way to put it is how we discussed. When they do pick up a you know, a big play on a third down and they get themselves a bit, the first thing that seems to happen is either a no gain or a loss of two on the very next play, and it puts it. It's it's almost this you know, resignation to where, well, we're not going to do it this time either, because now we just pushed ourselves back in the whole. Whatever gains we just picked up, what are this first down? It's going to be squandered.

You you have that sense watching the game and it's got to permeate down out of the field quite Frankly, I don't know how Marcus Jone was able to bust free and go eighty four yards because the whole game had a feeling of it's not happening today, guys. It's just not nothing's gonna work today. The fact that he busted loose and made in the end. But to me, the biggest thing is the short of the field. The more the Patriots offensive line is overmatched, you know, they

just can't they can't execute. Yeah, I mean, and I would I would build on that and just say I think in the red zone all of the issues come out. So whether it's the play call, whether it's the quarterback play, the tight windows, you know, the confidence that they have within their scheme to throw with anticipation. Also the lack

of downfield explosive scoring plays. I mean, they've gotten they had a few twenty plus yard plays today, but they're not getting into end zone, so they're not getting from far distance. And when they get into a close distance, everything is sped up. I Mean, we taught in the pre game how much time they spend in the red zone, how everything down there. It's such a critical part of

the game. So I just think that is what brings out all of their issues, and it's hard to point to just one thing, but everything is on display when they get inside next week indoors, everything's gonna be fixed. Ye, all right, we're gonna get it all done in the next two days of practice. The players are good enough. I think it's a simple like we can talk about the play calling and all we want. I thought there were times where he had plenty of time to look

for a guy today and got sacked. I thought there were times where you got sacked immediately. I thought there were times where they had chances to make some yards on running plates and they didn't. And then, like Fred said, they're just so inconsistent when they get down close and

the field gets shorter. I think that's when when the other team, like you know today, can't we just kind of give the other team a little credit and just say the Jets have a better defense than the Patriots have an offense, just like the Patriots defense was better than the Jets off by far. Yeah. I mean. The point to though, is like it's one thing to stop them when they get to the red zone. It's the other thing that you're going backwards when you get to

the red zone. And I don't really credit the Jets d with pushing them back. I credit the Patriots with being poor execution, stupid mistakes. You know, those things are killing them. Talk to me about mac Jones staying in the pocket. He loves staying in the pocket. For better or worse? Is it is? Is he unable to roll out and create anything outside of the pocket, Because what do you say, okay, is that Friday he missed Myers.

He could have had Myers for first down. And he can't throw on the run, so he can't throw on the run. And by the way, he went down a couple of times easily today. Zach Wilson, Yeah, he did throw it away. He went down a couple of times today when he barely one time he went really uh yeah. I think it was one of dietrich wises sacks. I think he like basically touched him and he kind of tripped, but maybe it was a trip. No, no, no no, he didn't get tripped. He like just kind of touched him

and he like tripped over his own called it a swipe. Yeah, yeah, um, so that was that was weird. I just I think both both teams are suffering from the same issue right now, that they're working around their quarterbacks right and neither team runs the ball well enough to overcome it. Chris in Scottsdale, where I understand there are a bunch of homes who are going to be running out of water soon. Chris, I hope that's not one of your one of your places or where you live. Well, let's uh, let's hope

for the best that not happening. Okay, good, Hey, Paul, I got a question for you, because I feel I'll get the most honest answer. How long is it going to take for mister Kraft to say this is enough? He picked the wrong guy to get understanding this. I don't know. In all seriousness, I do not think that

we're anywhere close to that. I I think if there were signs that he's lost it, losing the locker room, the guys are not respecting him, whatnot, then maybe we could have a conversation that's might be a little different. I think there's a chance that that Robert Craft sits and talks to Bill and says, you know, what are we doing in terms of our structure of our coaching staff. I think there's a chance that they might do something

like that. I do not think that we're looking at making any kind of a significant change in terms of the head coach. I'll explain why I pose the question, and and oh it's a it's a very fair question, right, Oh of course, And and but here's here's what motivated

there sparked the question for me. If you, if you look at it, it's pretty systetic if you think about it, because if we're putting, you know, right down from the coaches, you know, like Patricia and Judge and what have you can obviously that's the train rank, and everybody predicted that and new that, which is incredible that if if you and I can do that, Paul and everybody else at the table, you know, obviously Bill should be able to do that, you know, right, And then if you if

you think about just even the team that we've constructed, most teams in this situation aren't necessarily gonna tank per se. But we can't even I don't, I don't, I don't know. I'd rather see them not win, which which makes me it brings my heart to say it, because I'm a massive Patriots fan. But but when you know you're not a good team, you're not a good team. You need

to position yourself in the draft. Right. But then I don't even have any faith at all, not even slightly in Bill Belichick doing the right thing in the draft. Well pick the guy would trade it down for you know, two picks in the in the in the first round, you know, number thirty two and thirty one, and then a lay fourth. I'm always, I'm always, I'm always amazed at that, And Chris, thank you for the call. I'm not. I'm not dogging on you because you're You're hardly alone

in this. I'm amazed at people who think we'll fix it in the draft. How are you going to fix it in the draft? How many? How many impactful players do you think you're going to draft that are going to fix things for you? But what do you mean by like next year? No? No, if you'll notice that. But that's what you need to do, though, you need to start, like you know, they had some contributions from last year's draft, They've had some contributions from this year's draft.

Get some contributions from next year's draft. That's how you get out of this. You got to find a way to get some playmakers. Now, it would help if Taekwon Thornton is one of those guys that works out right now. He's just kind of man. He's out there, but he hasn't made much of an impact. But that's what you need. You need to find a way to get more dangerous

than what they've been so far, I guess. But I see other teams doing it by by virtue of figuring out the non existing salary cap and just signing already proven players that can come in. And I know we're going to make it him to That's a tough way to do it. No team has ever really been able to do it that way consistently. You get you get a bump from it, like they did two years ago,

like they got a bump. Would you settle for a bump right now as you're looking at a team that doesn't look like it's really, you know, capable of a playoff win for a fourth year, fourth straight year. I mean, it's just I'd take a bump offensively. They have to figure something out. I don't know how these last seven games are gonna go, but they need they need to

change some stuff up. I don't it's hard to see in these seven games enough happening to prove to you that things can say vaguely the same going into next year. It just it does feel like they're gonna need significant changes, a lot of free agents at wide receiver. Um, you know, we'll see, We'll see what happens when Mac down the stretch. All right. Josh mcdanzez is listening to the show and he's like, there's six and four. What's the score in nine?

What I wouldn't give? Yeah, cousin, Patty, what's going on? Pat Hey, Polly, I'm on record this Tethersday and the Playbooks saying that I thought Marcus Jones was gonna break one. Now, granted, I did you know. I did think it was going to be a twenty eight to twenty three game, and I don't think it was gonna happen with five seconds left in the game. But hey man, I'll take it, sure, I gotta. I got a feeling though, just watching this team.

I mean, our defense through the spread from they're gonna keep us in some games, but ultimately I think our offense is gonna end up losing the majority of them, because I mean, just look at look at what's on the docket. You know, two games in Buffalo Miami, it's gonna be a rough self, you know. And today was like eating blast watching in this game that was it was so tough to watch. But he wins to win and I'll take it and that's all I got. All right, thanks, Pat,

I appreciate it. He's on a record. He called it. He did, he did. I remember his call? All right? Good called it. Did Spi and Fresne call anything like that? Speed? What's going on on? Behalf of the unwashed masses? Hardy and and with all due respect to Christmas Thanksgiving, Christian Arkan, it's great having you back. Absolutely. Um. By the way, I actually did call the the return for touchdown, and my wife as us as evidence of it somewhere, but I called it right before it happened. I take my

own credit. Appreciate you. We got you confirmed. I UM, I wanted to ask you guys about the coaching. There's two specific sort of sequences or plays uh that that that were just I was kind of puzzling to me, and I'm like, there's there was redoing the punt after the offsetting penalties with Miles Bryant back there, like Myles Bryant had done a non Miles Bryant thing and actually had a decent return, and then Bill's like, no, let's let's run it back now that we for some reason

to have him out there. I didn't like that. And the other one was the two consecutive run plays, first the third and seven and then fourth and third. I think where you're running the ball close to the middle of the field in a game where like field position and you know picked up they happened, that's going to determine the winner. And I'm just like that seems like, uh, I don't know, kind of a kind of a mysterious play call. I wanted do your thoughts on all those things.

I'm just trying to remember them to Myles Bryan player don't know it was offsetting penalties though, and that's so that's not a decision, right, But I don't remember Miles Bryan having a good part return either. Well, it wasn't terrible. It was like ten yards. Oh, I think he returned from like I think he was close to midfield after that one. And then and I don't know, maybe the announcers misled me, but they said it was Bill's choice, and Bill elected to redo it. Maybe, Yeah, I don't know.

It was the one I'm thinking of was offsetting penalties. But yeah, so that's not You don't have a choice of offsetting penalties. Do you replay the down? That's what I mean. But I guess I was misled by these by the Yeah, yeah I found it. I heard that speed. They were wrong if that's what they said, they were wrong. I agree with fred Um penalty on Hardy player out of bounds on kick off setting um in four out of the twenty five no play penalty on New England

Jonathan Jones offensive holding offsetting. There's no decision to be made there. What about the what about the running on fourth and three like close to mid field? Oh I would have punted. I yeah, that was that was a major down on my down on my bad list. We all thought the ball pin them down inside the fifteen and and just keep playing field decision until you get the ball in field goal range and win. A lot of people on the blog would say, you got to

play the game to win the game. That's way the game to win, right. The way you play that game to win was to punt exactly, And so I was just kind of curious, don't take it off like overall in light of those and maybe some other you know, the penalties, the special teams looking spotted over the beginning of the game. I don't know what you guys overall thought about the coaching. Is it moving in the right direction? Is installed in the same place or going back? Verick

it off? Yeah, offensively feels like whack them all. I think I think the penalties are worth highlighting two. I mean eight fifty five just only had three. I mean, you know, it's just sloppy play overall. And one more thing I wanted to just say real quick, Jeff House says. Patriots oil Isaiah Wynn, who was ruled out today with a foot injury, will also likely miss time. According to a source, more testing to determine the sent to the injury. But he also might be back and be fine by tomorrow.

I'm just kidding at it. That last part you got me, I'd be right in line with that individual's text. You got me though, good job. And also that's a huge problems too. I mean, say what you will about win. I mean, it's just a depth issue. At least at this point, he lost. He lost his job evidently, so and U to Speek's questioned about what the announcer said. You can't always trust the announcers, either on TV or in stadium. I mean, for us. The PA announcer kept

referring to a tackle by C. J. Mossley today. I don't know if you heard that, Like, Sarge, what was that? Our guyside the buildings, I'm mostly I most would know that. Hey, Chen Foster Grant, Thanks, I've been looking all over for these Alonzo. What the hell are you guys? Sam? All the way from New Zealand? Sam? What's going on? Thanks for joining us on the Patriots postgame? What do you got? Sam? How you guys? Are you going good? Um? Okay? So I've got two queries slash questions. The first is I

thought I saw Zeppy, which kind of scared me. Walling up before the pun rappin toushdown. He was talking to the coaches, he was all get up, he was going through plays and stuff like that, and I kind of got the steeling that they may have been thinking about bringing them on. That's interesting. I'd have to try to look at that. Sam. I won't twenty five seconds left.

I won't derail you here, Sam. There was some talk in in the booth about the way Mac looked, and you know, he's taken these sacks and he's in the pocket, and there was some discussion as to whether or not he had gotten you know, I know, you can't say, God, get your bell rung anymore, get dinged up. But there was some discussion as to whether or not he was operating,

you know, on all levels perfectly. So I have no idea if if Zappy was warming up doing anything other than just staying loose with Mac, which interest you know, the other quarterback will will oftentimes do. But that's just something maybe to pay attention to here going forward. So but what what was your other query, Sam? That's very interesting. I was wondering, as McDaniels ends up getting the boot,

does he come back. I don't think he's gonna get the boot, and I don't think it's gonna get it's gonna get the boot, and I'm not sure he's interested in coming back. But you know, stranger things have happened, true enough, Sam, thanks for they call. Um Breer said it again this week that not only is McDaniels not getting the boot, but he's good for next year or two. Yeah. The money. I mean, the money issue. It always comes back to money, right, And that's right. They're gonna give him.

They're gonna give him two years, right, which I think unless there is some significant problems in terms of the locker room. I think you can't fire a guy in one year unless there's just in like utter ineptitude. Like and I'm watching the broncho is right now on red zone against the Raiders. Nathaniel Hackett looks to me like a guy who's never coached football in his life. Like, if they decide to pull the plug after one year,

I would understand it. Like what do they do? And they're all like it's clearly short, and Russell Wilson's like, first down, no problem, Like you are a short Russell. I mean, I think he gave up the play calling duties this week too, he did, he did, Um, so it happens. I do think there's a chance. Um oh wow, touchdown Bengals. I hate the uniforms. I do too. Um. I know everybody goes goes gaga on Twitter about just nothing. What do you think, Freddie? They're okay, just okay, Yeah,

for white on white they're okay. But but you don't have to wait a white on on and you're ill, you're not of your right, he'd be ill and Michelle and South Carolina. Let's let's do this, Michelle, what do you Got's the hi? Guys? Hi? Do you wish you were lost in the wits for that game? What do you wish you were lost in the woods during that game? I wish I was lost in another country. That was horrible. So look, Mac is not making me feel any better

about him. Um, I understand everybody's coming, who all trying to figure out what this offense is becoming, who's the cause of it, who's not the cause of it? And we all know it's a factor of everything, right. I mean, I think, and I called earlier, I asked the question about math, and so this is what I'm taking away. There's two days to practice. I have not seen anything today. He was in the pocket today where he actually had plenty of time to actually make a decision and not

get sacked. That he could have ran out of it, or he could have thrown the ball away, and he didn't do. Our defense is winning as the games, and that shows you today right now is my belief. The second another thing is when um, who was who was a tight end? Who caught the ball today? One hunter enery John Smith, Henry when he makes a good play and it's actually a great Yeah, after a catch, Night's play, it's spread out. You can't tell what they're gonna do,

and then they go away from it. But like the rest of the game, I don't get it well. And then when they get into the red zone, why can't I know? It's a store of field, but I don't get it. Okay, I can't understand why their creativity is stunted, all right, Michelle, Okay, coach who was trying to create? Right right right? Well, thanks for the calling. That's what I think it gets back to, is the coaching aspect of it. But to Paul point earlier, Yeah, it's when

you get into the red zone. It's it's not that you know, the defense has a chance to pack things in. Your offensive line can't handle the additional pressure of having a condensed defense in there. This offensive line. So I think that's your easy answer in the red zone in terms of the creativity or the play calling or why they get away from stuff. One quick thing to add Bill Belichick press conference said, Trent Brown not starting the

game was a coaching decision. Yeah, so, I guess Zoe alluded to some sort of discipline on the pregame show, I mean on the broadcast, but he did not mention on the pregame show when we were talking about the various machinations on the offense the second time we've had a mysterious by the way, Minnesota's um you know how high powered offense is completely doing nothing. Again, by the way, I know you guys all think that the Vikings or the be all end all anyway, Yeah, hardy, Oh yeah,

what prompted us Zoe on the pregame show. I think he was cold. Oh yeah, he came in. He came in to chat as hard he would say, quarterback chin wag for Zoe? What what was the last game the Minnesota play that I mean, did the quarterback look good at all? They have any receivers that did anything? The quarterback look good at all? No, Justin Jefferson, that would be a hard No. You don't think Kurk Cousins look

good in the last Vikings game? No, he too. Two of the most hilacious picks you'll ever see one right to a guy in stride um. Justin Jefferson. I didn't say he played mistake free. He good? Justin Jefferson, justin Jefferson, he very good. What was the other time this year? I'm blanking? Was it a preseason game? Trump? Brown was

mysteriously just like not in uniform Carolina correct. Yeah. But the weird part about this is that whole thing that happened during the week with him maybe not getting the amount of snaps or maybe he was getting that to me is part of this equation here. It's just how bad is it that now you have to like lead on Isaiah Win who has been I'm telling you he's a big problem. How much how much has he run afoul of the team rules or the coaches good will?

I mean, what do I think? You know? I know and degree And it's such a funny position, like I think back in like you know when a college like you know, like the coach is like sitting you, but then he has to put you in, so you kind of feel like, look, who's playing you know, I don't know, it's just a it's just a strange position. You're trying to make a point and you're like, crap, we gotta put him in now. And he has to play, and

you know, how invested is he in playing? And is he kind of frustrated that, you know, he plays well again the game. Proud of you. I'm glad we got through that together. Yeah, I'm glad we worked that out. You guys are funny with the whole scenarios. Call entire conversation. Yeah, yeah, Chip and DC, what's going on? Chip? Hey, Hey, guys, what's up? So? I understand that the offense is kind of a focal point of the discussion after this game, but uh, I had a quick question about the d line.

It seems like we get through kind of the opposing offensive line pretty easily, but after that, it seems like we're kind of just letting the quarterback run the muck in that either results in um, you know, them throwing the ball away or you know, a completion, and I feel like a lot of those should be sacked and dead. Um. So interested to hear what your guy's thoughts are on that and if, like other teams kind of deal with that or do we just have a particularly slow but

powerful defensive line that's it. I mean, that's a good question. I mean, if they've had some problems with mobile quarterbacks, I think, But you know, overall, I mean there's four more sacks today. Um, yeah, he scrambled a couple of times, but I don't know. Yeah, they're they're among the league leaders in sacks. I think they've got some different stuff this year. I mean Mac Wilson is you know, I think he was struggling a little bit to the beginning

of the year. But I mean they just have some new pieces to play with, and I guess that's why I expect a bunch of sacks next week too against Kirk Cousins doesn't have a lot of mobile Oh that's right, he stinks. It's just I didn't say stinks. I said he doesn't have a lot of mobility. Did you You said he wasn't good last week? I don't think he played very well when that minute started. Sean, I'm sorry. In the Buffalo games a tough critic, Sean and Austin.

What's going on? Sean? Hey, you know what it's just is killing me offense? Dude. I'm old. I'm almost fifty and I remember Bless before Brady. You know, I have to say to some correlation with Brady, not Brady. What's it called them? See point eight rating in that game last week, seventy one point? Is that good? It's not good? Well, are we're using the ESPN rating? No, I'm listening to I'm using the passer rating. I'm trying not to be, trying not to be, uh nervous. Four sacks, two interceptions.

We never won anything with bless Yeah, why would you want to go to a super Bowl? I get it, I'm saying, right, Yeah, Bletso went to went to the super Bowl. Yes, and he won another AFC championship. That got you to another super Bowl? Right, Well, I don't And how did it work out for it? They won? Worked out very well. We get trade of Buffalo and beat the crap out of it all the time, all them things. I don't know what we need to do. Yes, the Patriots are better than Buffalo. Yes, you are correct,

good call. Yeah, I mean, you know, make fun of Drew Bledso I mean, like we're comparing this to Drew Bledso poked the bear. I mean, this is what the offense you had when Drew Bledsoe was here on a consistent basis every week you couldn't move the ball and score. Is that what they had? When we're here five touchdowns. I'm trying. I'm trying to record it a little bit. Him called Patricia. Patricia. Yeah, it's everything I love to read to say, Patricia, good, I love I love you guys.

We love you too, Sean. I'm proud of you, part of your Sean, Sean. Listen to me, Sean, Listen to me, Sean. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. Not you too, Sean. Oh Man, can we break please? Oh no, there'll be no breaks for you.

What do you mean? Oh? Good? Greet all right, Zack. See, we got some emails here there, so I'm not that we had to turn this into any like you know, Fred, you were talking about how like the Jets have to be so frustrated, and I totally agree some of the stuff coming out of their locker room. I mean, first, like Zach Wilson was asked if he felt like he left the defense down. No, no, okay, idiot um. And then Quincy Wilson not Quincy Wilson, what's his name, Derett Wilson.

I got the quote right here. Yeah, it's like this bleep is not okay, straight up, it's not Okay, how many totally yards do we have? One hundred and three? That sh is not gonna fly. We got, we got the dudes. It's time to be consistent. It's time to win the games in there, yes, search of Francis. Yeah, and they they they have to be sitting there kicking themselves. Um, they probably played better than the Patriots in the first game and lost this game that Patriots played better than them,

and they still lost. Like, yeah, and you lost in the last second on ten and and listened. The Jets are playing a little bit with house money. They're not ready yet to be, but they were one play away from being seven and three and tied with everybody else atop the division. And they just couldn't make that play. They couldn't make a play. They they had a terrible loss with Hall going out. Oh yeah, I agree, I agree, Freddy. But still you I mean, I mean, you really should

be able to get more than hundred. And it's the same thing, exactly, you know, you really should be able to do a little bit more than that. It's the same I said. It's the same thing we say about Maxactly. They had more punks than first. I mean, some of those throws two, were you short hopping him? Firing him over guy's heads? How about the one the mims like there was like a third, It was like a third and seven. It was like kind of a slant and he just threw it, threw it at his feet, like

what do you do? What are we doing? Bob, Bob in New Mexico says, check if you don't believe me, Matt Jones has only two tenths of a second less in a safe pocket than the average NFL quarterback. Yeah, I don't think that the pressure. I mean, I know he got sack six more times today. I agree. I don't think I agree with what what Mike was talking about. There were times where he looked comfortable in the pocket. He just wasn't throwing the ball. That's the first play

of the game, that one. He didn't have a lot of time on. No, but I was defend him on that one. No, that's why I'm taking the ball. But the play was designed to get right out of his heads. It was like a three step. You could see him go like that quick like it was it's not there. It was like a thirst step drop. Like Bob says that something was wrong. But I think it's easy to just say, well, they got sex six times, they couldn't run the ball. The official line sucks. I don't think

it was that bad today. He had six opportunities today of more than four seconds. One of them he had a lot of time to throw and just sailed one way high near the sideline to Agalore. Yeah, the player had no chance. Mike Greenbriog said, had Zach Wilson played like an NFL quarterback in either game, the Jets would have swept the season. Serious with all Patriots, I mean, that's that's accurate. We're gonna hear from it. But if Mac Jones did, they might have blown them out twice. Yeah,

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all year. All right, seriously, when do I have to be the ray of sunshine live from our studios inside Galette Stadium. Here's Hardy. Let's take one phone call before we hear from the head coach. Here, we'll go to Adam, who is in Dublin. Adam, thanks for joining us on the Patriots postgame Show. Oh by the way, Adam, before we get to you, just want to thank cyber Reason, presenters of the Patriots Postgame Show. Great defenders don't just play in the field. Also protecting your company and data.

Cyber Reason a mission to end ransomware, keep your business undefeated against cyber attacks. Learn more at cyber reason dot com slash ransom. Adam, what's going on? Gotta thank cyber Reason, Gotta do it exactly prefaces it's written reporters of our head coach Police. He can win with a top fifteen quarterback, and last year we had give or take a top fifteen quarterback. And I know you guys talked during the week about the conditions of an experiment to sample sizes.

All these things, right, Well, last year, what are the changes? The quarterback is his same But this year we've got a different offensive system, we've got a different offensive coaching team, one of our productive receivers, and Kendrick Bourne is being pulled out of the offense, and our online is absolutely useless. I'm not saying mac Jones has the potential to be a top ten, top five NFL quarterback, but it is becoming increasingly impossible to judge him in these conditions as

to where his ceiling really is. And I think he's completely been rattled by what's happened this season with an injury the offense of the Chicago game. So I really feel like we're going to be stuck in limbo because you've got to give him at least one full season with some continuity. And I don't disagree with anything that's been said. I'm not a mac apologist, but we have

no idea really where his ceiling is. And I'm not saying his ceiling is extraordinarily high, but he has been given a raw deal this year so far, and he's not coping with us. And if that's the case, how do we trust Bill and this coaching staff. If he year's time to decide he's not the guy to find another guy and not make the same mistakes. Well, I guess I would agree with you, Adam and in that it's one is much more complicated. Yeah, yeah, but it's

it's been a rough year for Mac. When you factor in the injury, you factor in the new offensive coordinary, your factor in the the you know, the change in the offense. And also I don't think he's handled it all that well. We'll see. That to me is where it falls, because like, what do you think of Brandon Staley? Probably not much? Right, do you think it's Zach Taylor?

I don't thinking about it. Yeah, But I mean these are like coaches that are just like they're out there, you know, in charge of these young quarterb Actually we're finding ways to you know, Like I'm not putting Andy Reid in that because I think Andy reads a good coach. I think he has proven with him without Patrick Mahomes, that he's going to be productive. I mean he brought the Donovan Nabo I think was kind of average at

best to four straight conference title games. But I mean, how is Joe Burrow having success with the support that he has around him? Like, yeah, at some point, you gotta you gotta figure out a little bit more. Now, I'm not giving up this is the injury was huge. I think the injury in Week three against Baltimore like that kind of derailed his season a little bit. I'm going to give him some time to to sort of see if he can figure this out. But yeah, I

don't like the way that the offense is structured. I don't I think that the caller just he mentioned a raw deal. I agree. I think he got a raw deal in the offseason. Get over it, Yeah, get over it and produce. By the way, Keith send an email, said Paul Parillo, I'm done with Mac the Hack. Wow, he says, I don't carell crazy. This sounds. I'd rather

lose with Bailey Zappy than win with Mac Jones. It's time to go back the draft, find another quarterback or sell out for Aaron Rodgers while we developed someone other than Mac the can hack at Jones's mean mean on that. So we got to tweet about the offsetting penalties on the on the on the change of possession play, and they said the receiving team can opt to decline the penalty. Um, and then they would have to have the penalty incurred

against them if they did that. I don't know why you would do that, right Like, so, so I can decline the penalty and then just move back ten yards, Why would you want to do that? I don't know. I have no idea. All right, let's let's hear from the head coach here after the ten three Patriots win over the Jets at Gillette Stadium today, here is Bill Belichick. Well, great, um, great team win for us today. Um. You know, Jets

are are tough, like they always are. We knew it was gonna expected this kind of a game and um, you know, the best fourth quarter team in football, so you know, we knew it was going to be a battle there all the way to the end. But um, you know, great great ending there with the you know, with the punt return. Um, you know, we we came close on a couple of punt rushes. Um blocked punt last week. So you know a combination of Russian returning

is a good yeah, good, good weapon to have. Um, you know, obviously, big day for us defensively, you know, a hundred yards total offense. It's a great job by a staff of players. Um, and all the units that played running game, passing game, pass, rush coverage, third down. You know we played played well on defense, as do the Jets, and and um, you know we moved the ball. You know, we had three hundred yards offense, but only

three points. Um, so did a poor job of finishing our drives, getting the ball UM in good field position, in the score in range, or getting the ball in the red area into the end zone. So um, and I got to find a way to do that better. But it's good to do it from from a win. And you know, quick, turnaround here, get ready for Minnesota, and get ready to go up there and go on Thursday night. Bill, can you teach a player to become a good punt returner or do they have to have

a certain instinct? And as Marcus Jones possibly one of those players would that kind of an instinct. Uh, yeah, Marcus is really quick and uh I think Troy Troy Brown's done a great job with him. Um, you know where Marcus was when he got here and where he

is now? Or are you know they're an ocean part and um, you know, Troy has really done a good job with the ball handling, ball catching, making the first guy miss ball security, um, setting up blocks, um you know, having visioned on the ball, the gun or playing the

win so forth. So um, you know, Marcus, we didn't feel like he was quite ready at the beginning of the year with Miles, and uh then as Marcus got better and game more experience and confidence and then perform, well, then you know he's handled all the return game for you know, a number of weeks now. So um, yeah, certainly there's some an eight skill that goes with that.

There's certainly a developmental aspect. Um. You know, we saw Edelman who never returned punts you know, league league and punt returns, and be a great punt returner here um cred like Troy Brown who came in as a as a very good returner and continued to be you know, as good as anybody we've ever had. So um, but yeah, Troy done a tremendous job with Marcus. Mars has worked hard and he's really improved and um, you know he's

had a number of big returns for us. But obviously today go into the house might have been the first

one in the league this year. I don't know, but yeah, so, uh, you know, obviously a huge playing a game, and you know, a great execution by the punt return team to you know, get Marcus started and then you know handle Hardy, who's you know, good coverage player Hardy Echoles, Um and Um Davis and those three guys make a lot of tackles for the Jets, so you know, if you can get them block, get it started, than you you know, at least have a chance. And then he did the rest.

So um, well he didn't. I mean there was some other good blocks in there too, but that it was good. But our combination of Russia's and returns, you know, we try to you know, keep the pressure on their punt team, and I paid off for us. Bill Mac completed I think eighty five percent of his passes or so. And but obviously, like you mentioned, the offense struggle with points. So how do you kind of evaluate his performance between those two and obviously many other facts. Well, yeah, we'll

take a load of the film here and see. But we we moved the ball. We had we had some good plays, but not enough and not enough consistency, and we weren't able to get the ball on the end zone or get the ball close enough often enough for what our opportunities were. Um that too many negative players holding penalty sucks and and that was a combination of things.

Um so we just we gotta do a better job. Hi, Bill, I know it's probably not the best time for story time, but just a game like that we don't see too often with no offensive touchdowns where a special teams touchdowns breaks it at the end. Can you recall a game and your experience where it ended like that in the final minute where offense wasn't happening. Uh nope, no, off my head and my memory is not that good, so

they probably we probably find one. But yeah, you Oconnor, Bill, you mentioned that Marcus got off to a bit of a slow start. What did you see in him at Houston and in the pre draft process that compelled you to draft him? Who's a good players? What specific qualities did you see last He's quick, I mean return punts and kickoffs down there. He also played some offense, you know as converted receiver, so he's an explosive playmaker that

that end up moving to defense. Played inside played outside in return kicks, so he did all those in college. It's a good player, hey, Bill. Prior to their punt return for the touchdown, Kyle Dougga came up with a big play there on not third down. And his game was pretty good today. Yeah. Um again, I thought we played good team defense and all to look to the film and you know, see exactly how each guy did

and all that. But yeah, Kyle had a number of good plays that I know is you know, tackles, coverage plays, but there are also some plays where he was able to do his job and help out on somebody else at the same time. And um, you know, just a just be a physical presence and a factor in there. You know, also gave us some plays in the kicking game. So it's good to have Kyle back. You know, we didn't him in a first game against the Jets, but it's always good to have, you know, and you're good

players back there, and so van kyleback was. You know, it was great. Bill. You guys got into the stadium for the last practice of the week that we had a chance to attend his media I think on Friday, and I know the conditions today were not exactly the same. But how helpful was that to be in the stadium, particularly when you look at somebody like Marcus, who's got to handle the ball in conditions like he did today. Right, Yeah, well it was it was the Marcus play, it was

John who on the squipt kick, it was um. You know, just in general, the balls went to their their boundary or their sideline and jet sideline, and that's the way we practiced on Friday. The wind was stronger today than it was on Friday, but we had the general idea on Friday about the way the ball was going to go, and you know how we would call certain returns based on whatever the situation was, the distance, the field position and the win and so forth. So it kind of

did play out. It's not also, it's not always like that. Sometimes the can just and change from Friday to Sunday and the wind changes direction or a velocity or whatever, which it did. The velocity changed today, and I'd say

the tough thing today was just the gusting. You know, when when Nick went out there for his field goal was pretty it was pretty still, and then when he kicked it it was really gusting up and hit the crossbar and you know, it didn't make it, but you know that ball probably you know, was affected by I don't know, five to six or eight yards, I don't know whatever it was, you know, just in that so it was you know, good kick, really closed, but you know, just just a little bit, a little bit of a

difference there and kicking into that open end. You know, that was That's definitely a factor. But yeah, it was good to get in there, good to get the specialist to kick, and good to get the returners, not just the returners, but the guys blocking to you know, anticipate the direction of the ball and and you know how the return was going to be set up based on

where the wind was going to carry it. U built where Trent had started every game for you guys this year at left tackle and wasn't on the injury report this week. What went into the decision to sit him until Isaiah got hurt? Uh? Yeah, it was a coaching decision. I built. Question about your punting unit this time. You have a new punter and with this kind of a weather condition, Uh, is there any particular adjustment you have to make, especially you know, shifting from Jake to Mike

from a righty to lefty. Yeah, sure, anytime you change a position like that, there's there are some adjustments, um, in the punning game righty to lefty, and you know, just overall timing, certainly for a snapper like Joe or you chart to put the wall on the right hit for a right punter and left hit for left foot punter. It's a little bit of an adjustment there. But then you know, also you know, Michael did the holding on the field goals, you know, for Jake, and and then

Nick did the kickoffs for Jake. So um, there were multiple adjustments with Jake not available today that both Nick and Um Michael had to make. And in addition, you know, Joe Cardona, so you know, the rest of it's everybody else kind of you know, they're blocking assignments and coverage responsibility and all that are like all pretty much the same, but certainly the direction of kick, the hang time of the kick, and and you know the way the balls kicked.

Nick's kickoffs versus Jake's kickoffs. There there are definitely some differences there that we um you know, had to adjust to. But that's you know, that's what you have to do. You know, you always want to play into the strength of your specialists, and so that's you know, we try

to play into that. Bill, Do do you feel like your offense and MAC are close to a breakthrough of kind of cleaning up some of those mistakes are getting the points that you want or are you a little concerned that even from this point on it's just going to be a slog and a fight for this offense. Yeah, well, again, we move the ball. We just didn't have enough points. So we got to do a better job of scoring

more points when we get down there. And when we get close to scoring points, you know, thirty thirty five yard line all the way to you know, get the ball closer to get some points on the board. So it wasn't like we couldn't move the ball. You know, we had you know, several good opportunities, but we just you know, penalties, negative plays, dropped the ball, missed opportunities. You know, just have to do a better job there.

And again, get the Jets credit coach, you know, Salal and his staff and their players they have you know, they have a really good defense. I mean we all know that. So but we're gonna see good defenses, you know, for the rest of the year as well. So you know we just got on coach and play beat. Okay, great, thank you? All right, all right, there's your head coach there. After today's ten three win over the Jets, do you

feel like they moved the ball today? I mean, I know, statistically, you know, Mac completed most of his past attempts today and through for two hundred forty six yards, and there was some offense. But I mean, just watching the game, did the Patriots move the ball effectively today? Well, they moved the ball at times, they did. I didn't say I would say that they probably should have had you know, nine points, you know, maybe maybe sixteen, But they didn't

move the ball. They had two hundred and ninety seven yards of offense for an entire game. I know. That's not moving the ball. They got down to the seven and they got zero. Right, That's why some you know, at a field goal, you know, somewhere. But to say that they moved the ball, I don't think, Bill believe. I don't think that's a pathetically low number in an NFL game. Now, it's it's a comparison to the hundred

the Jets. But but I mean, in comparison last week, two weeks ago Jet against the Colts two three, two eighty eight. Last time against the Jets two sixty verse the Bears. I think it's is it five in a row or four in a row? Under three hundred year in a row what you're looking for. Yeah, they've been under three hundred four games in a row. Yeah, they've only broken three hundred yards four times this year. That's

really bad. Yeah, the other two seventy one against the Dolphins and just to somehow to somehow for Bill to you know, to kind of chalk it up to, well, you know, we dropped a couple and a couple of negative plays and you know, credit to the Jets too that I don't think he believes it, but I shuddered to think if he actually believes it, like, oh no, we're really close because we're moving the ball. They punted

seven times. Well what happened to them? Happens to bad offenses. Well, yeah, but there are times when you know, you just find a way to move and you go for it on fourth down, you don't, you know, make it or you know, you get maybe inside the five if you get a penalty and get put best. Not what happened in this game, like they didn't. They weren't on the verge of scoring touchdowns like constantly in this game. The way he's now,

I get it. He's trying to he's trying to prop up his young quarterback, and I understand it, but it's not really the way the game unfolded. All right? Would you agree? Yeah? I would agree. A quick break here, we'll be back to wrap up the Patriots postgame show, brought to you by the Massachusetts Office to Travel and Tourism.

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Good job, Hardy. Now I see that wasn't me, that was that was Marie Man and there I haven't show. You haven't dropped anybody making sport of me? Yeah? I haven't. Then this is the last call. I'm not going to drop you either, Lewis and Orlando. What do you got Lewis Fellas? I just want to hand this show on this No really, I don't know what's wrong with all Patriots fans, but New England six and four, six and four, and all we do is complaining about the offense, about

the defense and all this shenanigans. But look at the Rams, look at the Cardinals. Go Ast Daniels over in Raiders. What do you what do you care about the Cardinals for? What do you care about the Rams for? Don't you care about your team? Like like six six and four? Good? Could you imagine being the Rams sitting there, sitting there and winning the Super Bowl? Ten months ago, like a bunch of idiots. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know who's complaining about the

defense right now, not us. I mean, the defense is winning you games. I don't know. I hadn't really heard much criticism of the defense personally, the offense. You can't win by scoring three points. New England fans are constantly just complaining, complaining about the offense because they're not very good. Yeah. Also, did you just get here? I mean, if they want they won six Super Bulls. People around here understand what it looks like when you have a team that's capable

of winning big. This isn't a team that looks like that offensively, So people are concerned about it. I mean, I think I think that's that's all it is. I think people are concerned about the offense. Yes, I hear you on that, But we've also had offensive teams that were their offensives weren't as good as their defense, and the defense carry us. But that's not going to happen now.

I don't know. I stay positive. I think that the team is you know, absolutely, we have some work to do it on the offensive line, et cetera, et cetera. But hey man, six and four making our way up there. We got a tough schedule ahead, But go Patsy. I'm with you, Lewis. I think that's that's how you end a post game show. Because I said, I wasn't going to qualify that it'll win today, and I'm not going to do do they got the win, I think that they won't.

If the things that Mac were responsible for we're looking okay, people wouldn't be as freaked out. But you know, because you can fix the other thing things. But when your quarterback is having trouble, now you're stuck, you know. So everybody was hoping for that second year progress and we haven't seen it. That's that's the big thing, right And

and not all of it is his fault. I think we all, you know, like tough to judge them in this situation, it really is, but there are things that he does that are his responsibility that aren't looking good

as well. Absolutely, And by the way I said this, going back to last year, before we knew that it was going to be Matt Patricia and some dual role as offensive line coach and de facto offensive coordinator, I went back to going back to the last offseason when I was saying, hey, don't automatically chalk up Mac being better next year. That's not That's not an automatic thing for his second year quarterback. He can either remain stagnants. Sometimes they take a step back in the second year.

And I think you're seeing a combination of some you know some some you know, bad cards being dealt to him and him not playing very well. It's it's a one two punch that you know results in what you saw today. Yeah, and then you can have both. And I think that's we spent a lot of our time trying to divide up the blame pie, but you do.

And I think you just if you want to invest in a quarterback long term, you want to believe that, Look, he doesn't have to be everybody's not going to be Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, but you want to hope that you have a guy that can overcome some adversity. And I think what we've seen out of Mac over the last calendar year call it is a guy that can't really, you know, lead a team through the adversity.

If it's bad, he's he's not really able to rise above that yet, so we'll see it's it's it's been a disappointing and tough year for him. Uh. That is going to do it for this Patriots postgame show. I want to thank everybody responsible for this fine, fine program h and everyone who called an emailed, and we didn't get to most of the emails today to a lot of them though, and all the phone calls, so you know,

we do what we can. Um, We're gonna see you again very very shortly, just a few days from now. We will meet days from right now. Yeah, meet back here from right now. We're doing a six o'clock pregame on Thanksgiving, six pm pregame shows ninety six hours as the Patriots face off against the Vikings. Who I guess I shouldn't be concerned about they getting shut out? How are they got only a field goal right now? So

we'll see, she say, be concerned about it. I just said that Kirk Cousins didn't play very well last week, and that's the only thing that I said. And it looks like multiple facets of the Vikings are not playing very well right now against the Cowboys. Some might call them as some might call them a house of cards. I might call them a fraud. They should have lost to your Detroit Lions. They should have lost to the Chicago Bears, but they didn't. How are you gonna do?

How did the Lions do today? The Lions? They did winning. Oh that's right. Your coach didn't go for a fourth down from like his own thirty. They would have beaten the Vikings too. Who picked the Lions out of the three of us today? To know you did? Rob? Oh, thank you very much. Good job, Rob. Final score for the final time Jets three, Patriots ten. That's for you, Paul Wolf. Thank you for listening and watching. Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and

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