Patriots Postgame Show 11/18: Takeaways from Shutout Win over Falcons, Kyle Dugger Interview

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to seven and four on the season. They kick off NFL Week eleven with a shutout in Atlanta, Nice Town, Atlanta, twenty five to nothing. Your final tonight, I mean, has ever been has ever been a twenty five to nothing game before. That's what I want to know. It's a random score, that's a good one. There's a couple of interesting little things just popping up here. Well, we're gonna be ninety nine percent Patriots tonight, but just one Falcons note from Albert Freer. Eleven days ago, the Falcons got

to five hundred. Since then, they have been outscored sixty eight to three. That is a sobering moment for Falcons fans. Yeah. I mean it's a bad team, and you saw why tonight. You know, they did a lot of things to beat themselves. And I'll tell you what, there are a lot of things to be said about the way the Patriots played tonight, mostly defensively, but there's a lot to look at two with the overall performance from the team. So we're going

to get right into it with you. We invite you to join us eight five five Pats five hundred, Email the show radio at Patriots dot com. Hardy, Mike Di So, Paul Perillo. I will start with your opening thoughts on the game, please, Paul, if you would, opening thoughts were, it's pretty much the kind of game that a lot of us talked about it's it's tough to play these Thursday night games, especially on the road. I think as you get later in the season, as we are now,

it becomes even more difficult. You saw a lot of bad football tonight on both sides, but mostly on Atlantic side. And the thing that I come away with, you know, from the Patriots perspective, five in a row now still undefeated on the road, is that old thing that they always could rely on of waiting around for the other

team to do something stupid is back in play. I think that they've done that consistently now for a month, and you know, when they've needed plays, they've been able to get them, whether you know Mike all four picks tonight in the fourth quarter. You know. Um, so just just that, like I don't care how it had to happen tonight, you had to come away with a win. Patriots were never in trouble in this game, even though

they didn't play particularly well. Um. You know, on offense, the defense continues to dominate, and do you just keep checking them off and moving on to the next one. Yep, Yeah, I thought the offense did enough. You know. I think there were some nice runs from Harris and Stevenson. Um, you know, just not the same success they had on third down last week. That was, you know, more of a grind on third down, and you know, not definitely not Mac's best game through the air of the season.

But as usual, I think he did enough, and you know, overcame kind of the mistakes and and and when he did make you know, the one interception or you know, when they had to pun a few times, the defense was able to step up and get off the field, and you know, the defense, I mean, you know, I don't want to brag, but I got all I got all my picks, right, I mean, it's just kind of

kind of how I thought the game might go. Where offense a little bit of a grind and and defensively they stepped up and you know, just didn't allow any of the nonsense to to trickle over up onto the scoreboard. So some nice games. Kyle Van Nooy thoughts showing up a lot. Uh you know again, Jude on Barmore, those guys, you know, continue to do it. Not not over all the best game, but it doesn't really matter. It's a Thursday night game. You got the win. Doesn't look like

anybody got hurt. You got a little bit of an extended break, and you know, now you're looking at this four game stretcher, or really, if you just want to digest the first two games of you know, Tennessee here and then Buffalo at Buffalo on Monday night football, So two big games coming up. They got a little bit of time to regroup and you know, if they're healthy, they got out of this one. I think it's uh, it's it's another nice win and you know, congratulations five straight. Uh,

it's impressive. Anyway you kind of cut it up. I think it says a lot about Mike Gusse and that in his opening thoughts he mentions that he got all of his picks right now. It's the first time ever. I mean he immediately makes it about himself, which is yeah, a little that's right, uncomfortable, I mean yeah, yeah, especially when you know it was six yards away from me being six right, right, and what's the difference? Right? Five and one? That's right? Wow, Wow, wester Henry had twenty

five yards and we needed him to have thirty one. Uh. Yeah, I had a bad week on the over under three and three. I thought it was two and four. Oh no, yeah, you were two and four. Yeah, see, Morrel, you really wait, you know, maybe match should be checking your your totals there. We're gonna get to the good the bad in the

training room here. But I mean I would echo everything that you guys just said and seemed like it was and not quite a case of just waiting out the other team's mistakes because Atlanta made so many of them. Oftentimes they didn't have to wait. You know, sometimes the mistakes were presented, you know, earlier than other times that when when they had the ball or when they were on defense. So it was it was I think, in

many ways a typical Thursday night game. Not earlier this season we saw some good Thursday Night contests from the NFL. But you get, you know, teams ten weeks into the season now they're starting to get banged up, they're starting to you know, the the just the length of the season is starting to wear on them. At this point. You bring them off of just a couple of days rest, not a lot of time to put a game planned in, and you get you get a game like that tonight.

But for Patriots fans, it's fantastic. It's a shutout on the road. It puts your team at seven and four in this season, a fifth straight win for the Patriots. So a lot to celebrate in the actual result. Uh and and I think a lot to celebrate defensively. Um. You know. As for the rest of it, let's let's get to it now. Yeah, we'll get to it now with the good, the bad and the training room presented by theragun. It's time for the good. Pretty good, Papa,

pretty good the bad. If you were in my toilet ball, I wouldn't bother flushing. And the training room you you want a backrupt presented by theagun. Good the bad in the training room presented by a thera gun. And might I just had the third gun Mini, which is delightful. More on that in a moment. But we'll start with the goods. We'll start with you, Paul. What's your first good tonight? My first good tonight is Kyle Dugger, who I thought Phantom may have had his best game as

a Patriot. I thought he was really active in this game, really physical, terrific past defense. On the first third down of the game on Kyle Pitts, you know, on a slant route that it looked like he had a step and Matt Ryan's throws a little behind him, and Dugger made a great, great play after that, a couple of really nice tackles in the open field one on one note, not really any yards after the catch available for the Falcons. I don't know what you know. I can look up

the specific numbers that he finished with here. Yeah, six tackles in a past defense and also a special team's tackle. So nothing you know that's going to jump off the page at you. But I thought he was really good tonight, especially in the first half. Yeah, physical pass break up there that in that first third down. It seems like he's kind of come into his own. I think he's he's getting more comfortable in the defense and you know, just making plays. I've always liked his physicality, but he

just seems now he's getting in the right place. Excellent, all right, Dougger. First up, who you have on your I'm gonna kind of do co co guys call it the two headed monster. I guess Stevenson and Harris just the two guys um I thought they were. You know, both had some big carries. Twenty one yards for hair or sorry's twenty one yards for Stevenson, Harris seventeen. Those both game in the first half, but you know, not

a lot going in the passing game today. It was you know, especially as I mentioned on third down, but I thought those two guys kind of provided the spark and you know, at the end we're able to pick up some key yards. It definitely wasn't the juggernaut machine that we saw last week, where you know, they were just every third down was money. They were able to just run down, get touchdown, touchdown. I mean, they got

held up in the red zone. But I thought that those two guys really um you know, carry carry kind of the load on the day and picked up some hard yards. Again, very encouraged by what you see from Stevenson, but you know, Stevenson five point eight yards average, Harris five point six. Stevenson had twelve carries, Harris had ten. So it was a nice balanced effort from those two guys. And I think as we get into this cold weather,

that's what you want. You want two guys that you can rely on that you know, they're similar, but I think they're a little bit different. Harris might be you know a little faster in the open field than you know, Stevenson just a load to bring down and seems to

always pick up yards after contact. So it's a nice little balance they got from those running backs, and I hope that they can continue that because it's you know, huge in a game like this where you know you don't really have everything clicking quite right, and those guys were able to get it going. Yeah, offensively, it might be a little light tonight on the good list, but those two guys definitely belong at the top. Took two, you know, no, no, no, no, I think I was.

I was thinking about doing the same thing because you know, Paul had pointed out at one point in the game. I think, uh, I think Stevenson had two fewer carries, but both Stevenson and Harris were sitting at fifty six yards at one point. It was a great tandem attack using those two guys tonight. Um, I'll go back to the other side of the ball. Defensively, thought Kyle van Noy had a really good game tonight. I mean the interception at the end, which was, you know, a nice

moment that was fun. But uh, he was very active, right, I think he two sacks, two tackles, two QB hits and obviously a touchdown. I mean it led the team with eight total tackles, and and I just we get too lost in all of that. That's all the same, the two sacks, tackles, Philoss and quarterback hits, because that's

there's not right. But he had a really good game to He had a really good game, especially for a guy who we pointed out at at points earlier in this season was just largely was not worthy, not worthy of mention, and certainly not nothing extraordinary. H there was some extraordinary plays that he was responsible for tonight. And sure the game was over at that point, but I don't know why they kept Atlanta kept throwing the ball and throwing quarterbacks in there to go out there and

try and make something happen. Paul pointed out something I thought was pretty good. It's like, well, I wonder why the starters are still playing for the Patriots defense at that point. But well, I was a little annoyed. Well we'll get to that in the bad but I was a little annoyed that Mac Jones took, out my mind, a very unnecessary hit on a quarterback sneak that I don't really feel like they needed to be doing. But you know hopefully he didn't get dinged up on that

at all. But we have Stevenson and Harris, we have Kyle Dugger, which was first up on Paul's list, we have Kyle Vanoy. Who else you got, Paul, I'm gonna go to Christian Barmore, who I thought, again especially early in the game, was just completely collapsing the pocket all over the place. Again nut stats that are gonna jump

off the page at you. But I thought he affected Matt Ryan on a couple of throws that were there, that they had some some opportunities to make plays and he had to get rid of the ball before he before he wanted to. There was that one that he kind of slid to the left and then you saw the replay that Troy Aikman pointed out later and the patriot Its defenders had collided and left pits. Basically that

might have been a touchdown let a lot. I mean, it would have been a big play at the very minimum, but you know, the constant pressure into the collapsing of the pocket on the inside by Barmore prevented it. Uh. We got Barmore or Oilse he got their deuce. I got Adrian Phillips fourth you know, fourth down, stop got back there. I think that was you know, I think I had some good plays in the red zone there, and that was a big one on the fourth down when it felt like, you know, Atlanta was making a

little bit of a push. It was still I think just thirteen nothing at that point. Yeah, that was a huge play. So big play. Had the interception obviously as well. You know, he just continues to I think he's more complimented this year. Last year it felt like he was doing a lot and he had to do a lot, and this year it feels like he can kind of focus on some specific things and he's not quite stretched

so thin. So I really like what they're doing. And I think part of that is attributed to Dugger, to mccordy, who also had an interception. I think those safeties are really starting to play well together. We saw for many years three safeties. You know, we're able to really solidify the back end of the defense, and I think that's what we're seeing now with the development at Dugger, with

Phillips and of course mccordy on the back end. Well, I held off as long as I can, but I Nick Folk the missed extra point at the end was unfortunate, but otherwise, Um, in a game that was mostly field goals, he kicked them all. So best offensive player of the game again. I mean you needed to find ways to get points on the board and your guy did it Hardy. Yeah, um, because that's what he does. All the guy does is

kick field goals and make them four for four. He had along of fifty three yards tonight, one for two on the extra points. But Nick Folk certainly belongs on the good list, sir. Who else he got? Paul? Uh? Did Deuce? Did you mention? I know when you would talking about Adrian Phillips, you mentioned some other guys, But

I thought Devin mccordy was really good in this game too. Um. There was a past defense that he made early in this game that was a play and Hardy, I think you said what we were watching maybe a month ago. He was a step late on that play against Houston as an example, month month and a half ago maybe now. Um, he was the you know, the the center fielder over the top. He's providing the the you know, the help and they needed it and he came over and got

in the way. I think it was it was Zakiss that was the intended or maybe sharp I'm not sure, but the play was there. It was an open play for the Falcons, would have been a big play. Uh, And he came over and got there. And then I thought the interception, you know, clearly there was you know, Pitts got tangled up and you know it was a little another good play by Dugger by the way, with a good jam at the line of scrimmage. But that

should have just been an incomplete pass. But I thought McCardy made a great play to get over there, a sliding catch towards the sideline, and that that towards that drive too. So I thought he was really good tonight as well. Excellent Devin McCarney, a good game for him. What what do you think do Yeah, I think I mostly covered. I mean, I just I wanted to mention Nelson Agalore I that touchdown, But I mean I have a good catches. It's okay, I just on five catches,

five targets. Yeah, it's it's I mean, he was active. I think that's just what I'm encouraged about is seeing him show up. The touchdown was it was a great throw from mac um you know, he's wide open, so I guess it kind of kind of kind of easy to hit that one. But um, there was maybe one throw tonight that I thought was that that that throw to Henry. Yeah, that that one was the only one. It was. He was fairly covered. Everything else was like like just like pitch, hitch and catch. Yeah. Yeah. But

but nice game from Aglare. Just to see him get involved and you know, he continues to spread the ball around. I think that's what's you know, it's I think sometimes maybe rookies, you see guys get locked in on certain players, and you know, Mac doesn't seem to do that. He seems to consistently, uh spread it around and find guys, and I like that about him. So it was just good to see, you know, Aglare get involved, get a touchdown and have five catches. I had Aggalore written down

early and then a couple of question marks. I'm like, yeah, is he really gonna stay on the list. He deserves to be on the list. Yeah. I think Matthew Judean is another guy who I always put I had jude on my list. Yeah, you can put him on there. Every you know, seemingly every game I think, you know, his real value tonight not only was getting into the backfield.

And he doesn't have like a ton of numbers in terms of tackles or anything like that, but you know he's drawing coverage and he's you know, he's requiring it, you know, help to keep him from getting back there. And he was, he's a bother and if you know, if you need to bother, if you need to pull somebody over to help block him, because I love it, that just opens up, you know, laying for somebody else, whether it's Kyle van Oy or someone else in there, to make a place so that you know what what

he's doing out there. It's yeah, it's it's not always going to get the praise and the accolades, but he is a problem interposing offense. And that's the thing with like, you know, Paul talking about Barmore too. It's like how many times last year we talked about the Patriots just don't have anybody on defense that you really have to worry about or think about or block. You know, it's just I don't know what. We'll go out and we'll line. I mean, now they had a couple of guys stunts,

you know, they had to do it with games. Now they have two guys that basically say you're gonna block me, I'm gonna beat you, right Judan and Barmore. YEP, that's a nice thing to have. Any other goods to get to Paul Um, you know, we talked a lot about the defense in general and all the plays, and you know, Mike talked about the Adrian Phillis play. I wanted to give Carl Davis a little kind on that as well, just the overall defense with the four takeaways and two

for eleven on third down, continuing that stuff. But the last thing that I had was Jake Bailey tonight I thought was back to his normal self of you know, on those plus fifty opportunities or you know, first three punts he had inside the twenty, the first one was huge down to the I think it was a four yard line. So Jake Bailey was kind of back to

his normal self tonight. All right, good, all right, let's get onto the bad list here, Deuce, if you want to lead us off, and again, this is a this is a short week shutout on the road, so and some of the are going to be I don't have much nitpicky. Yeah, or they're all gonna be nitpicky. But there were a couple of guys who did not have

great games to night. I'm sure I think that holding penalty on John u Um, you know gets them on the list for me, just that you know, it took away a gain and I don't know how necessary it was. It just seemed like, you know, it wasn't quite the kind of play where all we had to hold him so he had We had one game, one nice little run, so that was okay. But I just, you know, I continue to be a little bit disappointed by the production.

And I mean, even if he wasn't hurting the team, it may be what it was, but the penalty on a night like this Atlanta there, Yeah, you think, Paul, I'm gonna start off the very first drive of the game, it's uh. I think they got a first down and they got a third and four around midfield and we got a shotgun run to Brandon Bolden and I'm like, what are we doing? Like why, you know, why are we just content to punt the ball here? Um? So I really didn't like that call. I thought that was

sort of getting off to a shaky start. In a game where I thought it was imperative to get off to a really good start and put the game away, and you know, ultimately, they never really put the game away until you know, the interception parade in the fourth course two score game, you know, nothing, and the Falcons had the ball at the fifteen yard line. Yeah, so I just thought that the approach early on on that

that particular call was surprising. Yeah. Um, you know you just mentioned Brandon Bolden for his effective and his active as he's been. I thought he had kind of a

quiet night. Yeah, he did nothing tonight, but he doesn't belong on the bad list, but just you know, kind of a I don't want to chalk everything up to short week Thursday night football, but there were a lot of Thursday night football, I think, not just performances individually, but decisions and kind of overall feeling a the game tonight. And if that reflects poorly on certain players more than others, maybe that's unfair. But you know, we're trying to present

both sides here. But I thought Bolden was pretty quiet tonight. Yeah, and I'll give Atlanta credit for playing hard on defense. Um, it looked like they were overmatched at times like guys were wide open in their zones. But they did enough for you know, the entire game really to keep their team in the game. Yeah, Um, any other bands do you want to play? I just I thought the past protection was a little spotty in places. He took some hits. He took a few sacks that, um, you know that

haven't haven't been happening in the last few weeks. And again a couple of runaway rushers tonight that we haven't seen. I think Mike is right. Something you can chalk up though too. These guys just fought a war four days ago and they're back at it tonight. So a little bit of a but I, you know, I still wanted to see more. I was so impressed with Trent Brown last week and I thought he was fine, but I didn't, you know, see the same kind of level um consistently.

But it is what it is. They did what they had to do. But Mac was a little bit under durest tonight. The play where the safety came in from like thirty yards was that it was harmon on that play. Yeah, do you do you chuck that up to pass protection? Or this just well they complete He's so far away, right and that because you know, and and Mike is right, they completed the play, but I don't want completing plays

like that. The quarterback turned when he threw it, and the receiver wasn't looking and had to reach down and bobble it. Like yeah, it works, but that's not the way you want to be doing it. And by the way,

four for twelve tonight on third down. You know, we made a lot of how great they were on third down last week, um, and you know, for as well as they ran the ball, you probably don't want to be going four for twelve on third down because you would think you would have much more makeable third down attempts and they didn't. You take away the picks at the end, and especially the pick six, and you just look at, you know, half of the box score. You just look at the Patriots. It does not look like

a win, you know. And three, I mean three hundred yards four for twelve, Um, you've only scored one touchdown, but you know, the defense was dominant. I have one more good in line with the coaching thing. Dud talked about the penalties, so I'll sort of let those go. A couple of special teams penalties again tonight probably should have been another one um clock management at the end of the first half. And I don't put this on Mac Jones. I put this on the coaches. I don't

really understand what they were doing there. They had a chance to I think there was about twenty seconds to go in the half, they had another time out, they were about a yard short on a pass across the middle, and they did nothing. They didn't run to the line to run a play, they didn't rush to call a

time out. They took their time. The clock ticked all the way down to five seconds, and then they ultimately couldn't run a fourth down play because even if they got it, they wouldn't have had time to do anything else. And why risk not getting the first down and then lose the field goal if you do that. So I just thought the clock management there. Mac was upset with himself,

but I don't think that was all on Mac. I think someone should have been telling him we need to call a time out or you need to get up and run a play. And it was a similar kind of a scenario that unfolded in the preseason. I think it was the Philadelphia game. I'm not positive if I

remember that correctly, But same kind of thing. They had a two minute drill at the end, and they ultimately had to punt because of a fourth pound play like that that wasn't quite in field goal range, and they let too much time go off the clock, you know, which nitpicking in preseason, you can kind of understand it. But they worked on two minutes so much in camp and then presumably still do so, Yeah, you'd like to

see that a little cleaner. Yeah, a little better execution there, and they got the field goal and that's probably all they were going to get on that drive anyway. But I thought they cost themselves two plays. It shouldn't it shouldn't look as hectic when you're just trying to get yourself into a field goal position there and managed and it was close, like there was a pass across the middle. I think it was Agalore. It was either Agalore or

born Um. And I and I wonder if maybe they thought there was going to be a measurement, yeah, or as as your boy Zoe would say, amasurement, measurement um. I wonder if they were looking for the clock stop that, you know, an artificial clock stoppage. But you can't rely on that. In the last I don't think the rests want to be stopping the clock in a situation like that unless they have to. Um who is headed to

the training room for the for the Patriots? I think just Mills Mill J C. Jackson both left the game, but they both returned, So I don't think you know, Mike, you said that off your top and your comments, it looked like they got out of the healthy. I think I think you're right. Well for all, for all we know they had a little Theorra gun treatment. That's all you need in game. I think it's I think it's okay to have those over on the sideline. Why wouldn't you?

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nine dollars, so thank you too. There a gun for presenting the good to bat in the training room. Yes, Mike's a couple of things to share the kind of interest. So there is a Twitter account score Agami, which is they're always trying to figure out if there's a unique score. So this was not a score of gammy. This score has happened ten times before twenty five to nothing, the

most recent being September fifteenth, two thousand and two. And then another little interesting tidbit coming from ESPN stats in Info, the Falcons are the first team since two thousand and nine Texans to have three players throw an interception in the same game. That was job Rex Grossman and Chris Brown. The last team before that to how three qbs was the two thousand Chargers, Ryan Leaf, Jim Harbaugh and Moses Marino. So it's just a fun fact. It's just a fun fact.

But it's spent almost twenty years since we had a twenty five game, all right, that's just saying that that's good and that's good to see. Bill has the puffy jack for the post game, so cool. I bet that's expensive. Yeah, it looks like one of those puffy jackets where you could go get one at Old Navy for you know, thirty nine thirty bucks maybe, and you could also spend six hundred dollars on one. I'm guess they're not thinking if you make eighteen million a year, you'll probably go

with the expensive one. Certainly is that on the same day, best dressed then worst dressed. Certainly is everyone I'm going to be wearing these shell I mean, the fact that they continue to win on the road and the defense continues to dominate is you know, I think those are the two huge takeaways. Well said, Let's see what soon everybody thinks on the phones here eight five five Pats five hundred. So Johnny in Wisconsin, first up on the

Patriots post game show presented by Cyber Reason. Hi, Johnny, how's it going boys, Johnny good good, good, Well, it's a good win to night. I think it was, you know, closer than any of us wanted it to be until the you know, the like like you guys called it the turnover brigade at the end there. But I saw a crazy stat during the game there. I think it was like one hundred and eighty nine and seventeen now or something under a bill when we win the turnover battle.

So I just kind of wanted to get um, you know, a bit of a bit of a taking you guys on JC Jackson in particular with another nice catch that are on the deflection. What is his value to you guys? Really think um going forward potentially with the franchise tag or you know, an extension or you know, a new contract. I should say, given how he really is kind of a ballhawk and he does have a feel for you know, getting that turnover when the turnover is crucial for the Patriots,

you know, winning the game bill. The first thing I would say, Johnny is I mean, obviously coaches don't have that many games under their belt, but the disparity in the wins versus losses for any team is going to be high if you win the turnover battle. It's one of those things like third downs where you win that you have, yeah, undefeated when they scored more points in the opponent. The Patriots numbers in those situations or you know, I mean it is one hundred and eighty something in

like seventeen. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But I would say it's it's probably a very han their numbers when leading at the half at Jillette Stadium under Belichick. It's like you wouldn't think like just having a halftime lead is I mean, I think that's five times in the Belichis era while leading at the half, and that's different. But but I think what is more, uh, you know, to the point here is how often the Patriots win the turnover battle. And that's I mean that that's what we

talked about. It was Paul's key to the game. You know, just protect the football. Yeah, and you know the pick that that Mac Jones threw all all all let Atlanta right into the game, you know, if not for the huge third and fourth downd stop. So I mean they're at the fifteen yard line needing a blade of grass, um and they come up short by you know, good good quality handoff to the fullback Andy Hart, good job,

good play call. And then you know Carl Davis and Adrian Phillips combined combined to oh my god, to end to end that drive, and that ended the game. I mean, ultimately, I think the game was over on that fourth down stop at thirteen nothing um. But those turnovers games like the timing of them is is important. But you know, you look at Brady last week against Washington, he throws two picks in the first quarter. Now, was that was the game lost at that point? No, but it kind

of tells you the direction the game is going to chase. Yeah, it's it's it's no, it's no way to play. And it's something that Belichick's teams have done four years, which has been real good in the turnover disparity. And then capitalize now and make sure if you're gonna win that crucial part of the game, you don't end up losing the game because you've you've you know, control the football better. And that's that's kind of what they do. I mean, And what can you say about Jase Jackson. He just

continues to find the ball. I mean, it's it's gonna be ah, this is gonna be I think it's just the ball find him somebody. Somehow they're connecting. I don't know who's finding who, but it's happened too consistently fortuitous sure at times. But I and Paul, I know you agree with this too. The athleticism that it requires to

actually you know, come down with those balls. You see it a lot, and maybe not from corners, maybe not from safeties, but you see guys you know, with the ball that's you know, up for grabs and they don't manage to come down with it. And yes, on other guys on other teams, I guess that they had really really good hands, they'd be receivers, you know, so you don't always expect them to come up with these balls

that are a huge place. Yeah, they're wobbling around and yeah, jac Jackson does he does place over and over and over again. It keeps happening, and it's just it's going to be a major question this offseason of how how they figure out resigning the guys on defense. I mean, certainly it's making it a lot harder in recent weeks with the way these guys are playing, a lot of guys who are going to be free agents playing awesome.

So it's kind of that double edged sword where every pick it makes you more excited about him, but it also probably makes other teams more excited as well to give him a big pay day. So big question for the offseason for sure. Let's go to Dave and Rhode Island. Who's joining us now on the Patriots Postgame Show presented by Will be Let's go to Dave. Let's go to Dave and Charlotte. He'll be there. Hi, Dave, Hey, how are you guys doing really good? Yeah, I'm doing my

part to keep you all awaken these late hours. Oh you're a good man. Yeah. And that right there, that was that was Thursday night football. That was rough. I agree, that was that over? This is Thursday night. So many field goals? Um? Yeah, So I had a question because the commentators were talking right over it. Did that penalty against Slater stand? I never thought it over. I thought it was okay. I couldn't tell. Yeah, it should have stood. But but they they they said that it was incidental.

But Mike Pereira, the officials expert, came on and said that it probably should have stood. All right, David, we got to let you go because he was first up on our good list tonight. Very much deserving of it. A fantastic game for Kyle Dugger joining us on the Patriots postgame show. Kyle, you're on with Hardy and Mike Dissell and Paul Perrello. Congratulations on the win. Thank you,

I appreciate it. Hey, Kyle, how is the short week of preparation, and you know, then, how rewarding is it to just go down there and play lights out and get a win and shut the Falcons out. The win was definitely great. I mean, the preparation was was efficient. I think we got the most out of every day. We hadn't even though we're short. But so I go out there and execute on a show a week just made it that much better. Kyle, how challenging is it to sort of get geared up again on and you know,

and such such short notice. Physically, you guys, I thought right from the very beginning of the game tonight, defensively and you especially, I thought, really brought the physicality to Atlanta, really dominated the line of scrimmage and some of the plays that you and your fellow defensive backs were making out in in the flat on tackle set. How hard is that to to continue that physicality of such a short week. Um, I think it really just comes down how to use your time then and how quickly you

get on it. So with this week, we had to really get some of the game in it. You know, we had to get you know, into the side and the coach up and do whatever we did, so we start our bodies knowing that we had to show me coming up. So I think everybody, I think I do it. Good job. Man. I can't see faverybody else, but I feel like it was a good job of getting in there,

throwing that and being ready to play today. Kyle saw at the end of the game there was a lot of celebrating going on with a lot of Patriots fans there. I think we saw the same thing at Carolina a couple of weeks ago. Were you well represented with Patriots fans there tonight? I definitely had a lot of family in the crowd. I couldn't find them all how it was trying to look, but I definitely had a good representation out here and it was good. Good to come

home and let them give me play. Kyle, do you feel like you're finding a little bit of a stride here the last like month or so. You're getting some interceptions, seems like you're making plays on the ball, you know, some some great tackles. Like do you just feel like you're kind of finding your stride a little bit? Uh? Yeah, just becoming a little more consistent. I think that up being more consistent than practicing and making sure I'm focused, but I definitely think that it was all of my

players there just unency and practice energy. Stop the show, now, Kyle, it was you know, but about five or six weeks ago. Now, that Dallas game obviously didn't end the way you guys want, But since then, you guys defensively have taken it to a whole different level. And what has been the biggest difference over these last five games where you guys have just completely suffocated opponents. Your third down defense has been just unreal. You're not allowing any teams to breathe, and

tonight you cap it off with a shout out. What has been the difference for you guys over the last five games? My really thing you has been growing together. We really really been doing a good job of having chemistry on the field, and it's starting to come and the grind haven't really changed. We've been digging in since the week one, but I think really just the chemistry start to come together and we start to really you know, hit our start and make less mistakes together and play

together better. Kyle, another great win tonight, five in row seven and four in the season. It's just a great way to go into a little bit of extra rest here, So thanks for taking the time in. Congratulations again and thank you all right, thanks there you go. Congrats Kyle, Kyle Dugger, and a big thank you to our partner Microsoft, Windows eleven, the official operating system of the NFL and the New England Patriots. The all new Windows eleven is here to bring you closer to what you love like

the Patriots postgame show. Learned about all the awesome new features of Windows eleven at Windows dot com. Kyle Dugger. Man, but what a treat for us too, after he's first up on our good list here tonight, you people to get him on there. And uh, I think they are playing, you know, more as a unit now than they happened in the past. But they just that they all seem to be playing with a little more confidence and I trust in each other. Yeah, it's all coming together for

those guys. It just continues to just impress week after week here during this winning they've been really really impressive. It's it's and it's I mean, it's it's setting the bar to you know, these great offenses that they're going to have to face if they want to get to the playoffs. And I think. You know, if I'm any team that has to play the Patriots, I'm like, this is this is going to be a challenge. This is a challenging team no matter what you got on offense.

I don't care who they play. Um, they're gonna make it tough one you. They're gonna bring some physicality up front. And you know, just seeing Dugger really start to grow and and you know, just the physicality like you pointed, like the open field hits, like he comes with a pop, you know, yeah, and that is something that carries over,

I think to the rest of the team. You see them kind of playing with a physical edge that I mean, I don't want to say it's been absent the last couple of years, but there's just you know, they're they're playing at a good level right now, and I just hope they can continue it because now we can talk about Tennessee and that physical because that's a physical team too. That's a team that wants to be physical. That's a team that last time was here ran the ball all

over you. So but I'll tell you, I like I like the Patriots chances in that kind of a matchup because it's another team that really only does one thing well, and I like the Patriot That's what I was talking about. Like when the Patriots have gotten to the point where they they're back to that, you know, let the other team make mistakes and cap and be ready to pounce on him. That's the other thing. Like all they had tonight was Kyle Pitts. Right, everybody in their brother knew

the Patriots were gonna shut down Kyle Pitts. Not because Kyle Pitts isn't any good. Matter of fact, I thought he was pretty impressive tonight. But if that's all you got, there's no way that Bill Belichick is going to allow that. If he has some horses, there's no way he's going to allow one thing. And I just can't imagine Tennessee's gonna muscle up and just pound away at the Patriots and win a game like they did two years ago

in that playoff game in twenty nineteen. No way. You know it's funny too, because I'm thinking the same thing I thought. Kyle Pitts. He actually got his tonight. He had three catches. One of them was for sixteen yards and that was the and he was open a couple of other times that they you know, the past, rush back to him like I don't think that he did anything wrong tonight. In other words, well, it wasn't like he wasn't working, wasn't fighting through whatever. They just said,

you're not beating us. We're gonna put we're gonna put multiple bodies around you. You're not gonna beat us. Yeah, that's probably what they're gonna do to a J. Brown next. You know, that's kind of like a focal point. Well, I think they're gonna just say, you're not gonna run the ball down our throat. Right, We're gonna make sure you can't run the ball all over us, and we're gonna make sure that doesn't happen, and they're gonna make

you do it in a different way. Good good, Jude unquote coming out of the press conference, I'll share via Matthew Fairburn from the Athletic we kind of want to be a holes on the field. We play within the rules and don't want to get penalized. We're a nasty group. I agree. I agree, you are a nasty, nasty group. Let's go to Jack in Michigan on the Patriots postgame show presented by Cyber Reason. I know what you're laughing at? Jack? Go ahead, I didn't. I wanted to so bad. I was.

I was gonna nasty, but I didn't do it. Don't mean a thing. Go ahead, Jack. How are you guys doing good? Um? They got one quick question for you guys. So you know Mac was super efficient today. Um, you know, finding open guys, you know, throwing. Yeah, going pretty well with the defense. You know, next week with you know, Kevin Bayer to Monty Hooker or Chris Jackson. How do you think they're going to attack it? Do you think we're gonna go more of those rough concepts like we

did against the Browns? Do you think Mac is going to go more downfield? Like what kind of stuff? Do you guys? How do you think we're going to attack next week? Wow? I haven't even I know, I know, I haven't. I haven't, But you know, I think avoiding the middle of their line. I think that's you know, their defensive line. I think they got some big boys up there with Simmons, and I mean that's a lot of the damage they did that I saw against the Rams. Um, you know, jump into them this week to get a

better sense of it. But um, you know, I I think that in many ways. Obviously for with Vrabel, I just I think it's a similarly constructed team, even if schematically they're not the same. I just think that they're a tough football team and they're gonna, you know, come in and they might are not gonna get pushed around. They might fight, you know, the Bajors might defeat them, but don't think they're gonna get pushed around. So we'll see. But I just think they got to do whatever they

can do. I mean, we saw it tonight. It wasn't you know, perfect by any stretch of the imagination. They weren't that great on third down. They were effective running the ball in spurts, but I think they need to get back to some you know, consistency producing offensively and then and then they'll have you know, success. But tough to say. It's just I think it's an overall it's almost more focusing on yourself and executing your own team rather than all right, how do we get around the Titans?

Who you know, I think they have good players, but I don't think there's anything like, oh, this is what we're going to attack, at least not yet. All right, Jack, all right, all right, appreciate it. Thanks buddy, Move down south straight down A seventy five and go to Florida. We'll talk to Tyler. I was on the Patriots postgame show. What's up there? Tyler? Hey, how you doing, sir? Excellent? Thanks for calling in. What do you got for us? All right? So this is a little bit more of

an overreaction than anything. How did the NFL let Mac Jones bar More remond ring just fall to the Patriots? I mean, come on, just insane. But I mean to get back on it, I said a quick question. I mean, what do you guys think the odds are of the Patriots making it to the Super Bowl. I mean, let's be real. I gotta see how they do against Buffalo. I mean, I just I want to see how they do against passing teams that have multiple passing threats that can kind of spread them out and not allow seven

man boxes to kind of dictate the matchup. I think, if you have a team that has enough passing threats, which I mean Buffalo does. But Buffalo is a one dimensional team. So I mean, I'm not ruling it out that they couldn't come out of the AFC, but I think when you go back, look at the Dallas game, look at the Tampa game. How they had to kind of, you know, mix and match a little bit and it was a little bit of a grind. When they're playing these teams now where they're run centric, maybe they have

one receiving threat. I think that that the odds fall in the Patriots favor. But if you have a team that's able to go four or five wide, stress their cornerback depth, not allow their their defensive linemen to you know, dictate the matchups, um, then then I think they might have some problems. I don't know though, but I they'll they'll They'll have to prove it here at the end

of the season with those two games against Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I would say that there's no team that the Patriots could face that I would say that they can't play with absolutely, But that doesn't mean I think they're going to the Super Bowl. I mean, I agree with Mike. I want to see a lot more. I mean, just off the top of my head here, I'm trying to think the Chargers. The only team with a winning record that they've beaten, well, that was the Yeah,

and that was the yea and the five and four. Yeah, and that was the last team to give them a game. But you know, you're you're automatically, you know, my mind goes to, you know, super Bowl? What are we talking about here? No, I'm not. I'm not dismissing their chances. I'm not. I'm no. I'm just saying, like my knee jerk is is to say, like, that's not really you know what this team is about. The Chargers was the

tight gend. That was the three point win, and that was, you know, a good team at least at the time. You know it's yeah, you think that may change on that. I mean, you have the Jets, the Jets, Houston, Carolina, Atlanta. There's a five really bad teams, right, but really bad. But when you start looking at the trend, Okay, so you've played one team in the Browns, which I did leave one in the Charges, I think a good win. I didn't think we're awful. In you you're mixing the

Panthers and the Falcons. Tonight, Falcons are what they are. Even though they had gotten themselves to five hundred, as Burt Rear pointed out just eleven days ago, these last three games they have won by a combined ninety four to thirteen. That's a team that is trending as many points as the Falcons have lost the last two months. But they know they've the Patriots. To me, it's it's it's what we started with. Five, five and oh on the road now, I mean, yes, I know, I know,

there's not I mean, they played four bad teams. I don't care. They've won every road game. Other teams are going on the road against bad teams and losing one. Pagriots haven't lost any and not only they haven't lost any since that Houston and really none of them have

been close. Like they blew out the bad teams. And you know, even tonight when they kind of stumble around a little bit and go four for twelve on third down, it's still thirteen nothing in the game's kind of over in the fourth quarter, right unless you gave the nod earlier than that. Oh, I gave the knot at three nothing. We're gonna step aside here, we'll come back. We'll talk to Alex and California's speed. He's out in California as well, and Aaron, who is a bone to pick with you, Paul,

I don't know about what. Who has a bone to pick with me? Aaron in Minnesota, Okay, because I just said that they could go to the Super Bowl, So I don't see how I can get boned pick. Well, maybe maybe Aaron doesn't think that, but we'll find out. Maybe maybe I'm too positive. What do you think the odds are of that? I'm gonna say zero. I'd say very slim, very very slim. We want to thank Bows. They're proud to be the official sound and official headphones

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Stay focused? I jumped in. I jumped in. Sorry, All right, We're in the We're into a boy, We are in it. The Patriots postgame Show presented by cyber Reason, official defenders of the New England Patriots. Twenty five to nothing. The Patriots get their first shutout of the year. Another road win that makes five road wins. They are undefeated on the road still, right, that's Y's craziness. It's weird when you have that team. A couple of years ago, the

couldn't win any games on the road. I mean they did at the end, but just strange outworks winning the Super Bowl. But right right, that's like, you know, these guys that we won't want to want to lose a game on the road all year they go on the road, they'll lose. I don't know. There's no rhyme or reason too, it's just strange. They moved to seven and four on the season. And now we're taking your calls. We'll go to Alex in California. Eight five five, Pat's five hundred.

That's the ACE ticket hotline. Alex. What's going on? What's up? Guys? First time caller, Love the show. Bactually at the Browns game last weekend, Super high, super great weekend. But I did want to bring up a point that was made

after the Jets game, I think by you, Paul. But as you mentioned, how you thought that Belichick wanted to make a statement by keeping the foot on the gas depensely scoring fifty points against a team like the Jets, although they weren't able to like win those close games early in the year, like Tampa, Dallas, like Miami. I really felt like they needed to hold their head up

high on something. And I feel like that Jets game was kind of it, but kind of kind of ran across that point you made a couple of weeks ago, and it kind of its true and it reminds me about the end of the twenty eighteen season kind of. Yeah. Yeah, I do think that that that was why he continued to go. I think he was trying to really pump the team up, you know, really build him up a little bit. I think that's why he kept the foot

on the gas that day. Yeah. No, I I totally felt like that was a big turning point of the season. And who knows, We'll see what happens with this in here, all right, Alex appreciate the call, Thanks buddy, Thanks for checking in. Spiing Fresno. Always check it in pre end post speed. What do you got for us? Let's have it. Yeah, I mean, I'm never sure what to make of a Thursday night situation. I mean, yeah, the old line was

a fatigue when Max is getting hit so much. I mean, you gotta love that the defensive down on the third and one and fourth and one. But the stuff that's on my mind is twenty eight to three. Stof Morick talk. Um. You know, it's twenty five to nothing. It's the same point differential, which is nice, But there's like when you were down sixteen to nothing, when you were up to sixteen nothing, I mean, I was thinking that it was probably more likely we'd somehow make it to twenty eighth

than that the Falcons were gonna gonna field goal. But but here's there's so many stupid questions to ask about this, but here's here's the one I'll land on. So the Falcons missed a field goal earlier, and again they had that chance to get their three. So what are the chances that you're up twenty five to three and you and Bill can go to victory formation? But he instead says, you know, what's the chances that Bill would have done that?

Zero or five? Ten? I wonder if twenty three even means anything to him, Like, does that even register on? I honestly don't done. I think I think there's a better chance that he would have thrown a bomb to try to score a touchdown, right, Honestly, because that's what he's done in these In these games, he's continued to try to school. Now it is funny. I didn't see any twenty three shirt reports, though, I'm sad to say so, hopefully like I was wearing mine and I have one

of your original nice? Oh wow, the og nice? How much you make on try? All right? Good, have a good week. Thanks enough? Nothing left now, but let's go to Aaron and Minnesota and his bone that he has to pick with Paul. Aaron, what's up? Can you hear me? Yeah? Hey, love you guys. Um, I'm an andy guy. That's why I want to you with Paul. Okay, yeah, it's over a dumb play. Really, I'm an andy guy too. Is it the fullback play? Like grudgingly walking the call against

later that was overturned? Oh okay, yeah, I feel that was absolutely the right call by the officials. Now why is that? Why do you disagree with Mike Pereira? I always do, um the guys that it's a masters that run the officials, no less than yeah, okay, I get it. You're you're right, not always yeah, but later that he he waved a fair catch late and Slater. If you watch it he was running and then was trying to get out of the way. Yes, And he was definitely

trying to get out of the way, no question. But he hit all the flight was shifting to the right, yes, same way that later was no right. So let me let me just add this is the way I would say, And obviously no one really cares. It was an inconsequential play. But I said this when when they decided to pick the flag up. I said to Mike, so you're telling me that if that contact caused him to lose the ball, the Patriots would have gotten the ball. Like, does that

seem fair? Because there was clearly contact between the defender and the returner on a fair catch. So you're telling me if the ball lift though, what, it doesn't matter late, earlier, indifferent. You have to give the guy a chance to catch the ball, which I thought he was trying to do. He was trying, but he didn't was kind of drifting him. Correct. Okay, er, But here's what they ruled was it was incidental contact, Not that it was late, not that it was pushed

into him, not nothing. They just said it was incidental contact, which I don't have a huge problem with. But you have a rule in the book probably should have been a penalty. You can't hit him, but but he did. And here's the question, Aaron, and and I think it's a good one. If that contact had caused a fumble and the Patriots recovered it, do you think they still would have said, no, no penalty there. I have no idea, all right, Yeah, And it's it's like it is, it's

a it's a funny one. Um. You know, it's like there was on a you know, no question, but that that's not a really a question of intent. Hey, Aaron thinks, actually have one more question for you. How does one get to be an andy guy? How does that happen? Because he fights with Paul and Fred and fights with Eric and challenges Eric on like Deuce doesn't. Eric needs to be challenged more and not just coddled like a little boy. Aaron, do you do you call all the time?

You need to start calling during the week. You've you've quickly become my favorite caller ever. I love that you can't coddle him like a child. I love that he does get treated with kids. Yeah, he's nailed it. Eric just nailed it. Yeah, he's in his bed right now and his full man pajamas just zonked out. Aaron called during the week, he got you always got one of those little caps, right, Oh yeah, cap cape, And I went to sleep. I had my tea and uh and

the meditation. I was. I didn't even have to stay up and watch the game because before the season I pinioned the Patriots to beat Atlanta, so I knew what was going to happen. Aaron, don't be a stranger. Thanks buddy, Thanks great job, Aaron. Thank shots. The epitome of Squidward otherwise known as Eric Um. Let's go to Kevin and San Francisco. Kevin, you're up next year? On the Patriots postgame show presented by Cyber Reason. Hello, hey boys, how

are you doing good? Vin? How are you hey? I was I was just listening that the talk about the Slater play. I think, I sink I think Slater got away with one just because he's been in, you know, an MVP on special teams for so many years. I think I think if there was somebody else, I think they call that um. But anyway, I just wanted to call and say, as always, haven't talked to you guys since last year. Great, great, job is always great pregame

and postgame show. You know, it's I walk away from this, this this game going. You know, Hey, we have a lot to clean up, but we won. And that's the thing that's my takeaway over the last few weeks. There's a lot of things that we need to clean up and get better at, but we're getting wins. And there's so many bad teams that have games where they do a lot of good things, but they do enough bad

things to lose. And I'll take this any day. I don't We're not a finished product by any means, but I like the fact that we're having more progress and more success until you're each week and we still have something to learn about when they go do the film work on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. So anyway, thanks guys, all right, appreciate it. And I think tonight's things to clean up a more understandable too, just because of the spot. Yeah, the Thursday night stuff. Yeah, And what I like is

that you're coming up on there's no more qualifiers. You're gonna play the Tennessee Titans, you're gonna play the Buffalo bits. Like It's just it's illustrated right there. We were watching,

you know, a little of the NBC Sports Boston. To Mike's point, you know, okay, so the best win right now is six and five or five and four, But do you haven't eat and two team followed by a six and three team and then a week after that you got another You're gonna have that six and three team again, so you have opportunities to post the wins that other teams have posted. It's right there in front of you. Ye yeah, I and I think that is, um, you know, like one of the main things to look

forward for the rest of the season. You've got a seven and four a team right now that still has some untapped potential. They've still they've still got some things that I don't think they've fully realized yet. And it's certainly offensively. I don't say how the defense can't get better. On Sunday, I thought, you know, you kind of saw exactly what this team could do when it's really clicking, right,

you know, But that was with one running back. You know, they had a Harris back in there tonight and I basically just a tiny little bit, but basically you had the same production, is is my my point? Like, you know, instead of twenty for one hundred, you had ten and ten for fifty each. Yeah, okay, you know, and you might say you can only I know you might say, I'd rather have the ten and ten for fifty each,

keep them fresh, blah blah blah. Yeah. I don't think it's wrong, but I'm just saying, like you basically had the same production. That's why I put them together. Chad, Chad in Los Angeles? What's going on? Chad? Hey, guys, how are you tonight? Real real good? Thank you. I'm the riddles of the phone. The phone banks are loaded. Oh, we're doing well. I am incredibly excited about what's been happening.

I can't believe we're here. I'm kind of actually, um trying to figure out how we got here, especially with the defense being as strong as it is. I'm also wondering what your guys's opinion is as far as jude On being one of the best acquisitions we've had. I don't know, maybe ever, like, yeah, where does it rank in your in your guys's perspective, um, you know, throughout the years, because it seems like the dynasty is continuing on. Yeah, I mean, I this is I mean Judean's what you

hope a Dahlias Thomas would have been. And granted, this is a sample size that you know, we're whatever eleven games in or that now, but it's hard to ask for more. And I think the combination of signing jude On and in draft Barmore, who just you know that those are the kind of guys. I mean, I really they've been searching for a guy like that forever, but now they have one. The guy that can be disruptive

and that that's just consistently a problem. I mean, it's I don't want to compare him to Seymore, but I think the impact he has on the game is consistent with a guy like Seymour of playing up and down the line pressure. You know, if you try to block him with one guy, if you try to go for it on third and short, he's going to be pushing

guys into the backfield. And so just the combination of those two I think has really just elevated everything else, allowed other guys to make plays, and uh, it's it's it's all, it's all clicking right now. I think the offense has got to continue to make strides and find consistency, but I feel real good about the d right now. Yeah, Ched, I guess so impressed with how far we've come. I mean, in just such a short period of time. It's incredible. Since Brady Laft that that this is where we're at,

I just I can't believe it. Yeah, well, I'd be hesitant to say the dynasty continues. There's seven and four. It is. It is a really nice change from where we thought this team was, and where the team, where the team was at the end of last season, and where they were just a few weeks ago at two

and four. So these are all positive developments. But to put that type of pressure and expectation on ourselves and on the team by saying, well we have our next, our next fifteen to eighteen year quarterback that was set on the telecast tonight eighteen eighteen years, it's ridiculous. Okay, So let's let's, you know, be grateful for what we have here, which is now a winning team, a team that is you know, we're happy when they got to five hundred. They've rattled off three more wins since then.

I'm happy that I think that they've gotten to a point where I no longer look at them going against other teams and feeling like they don't really have much of a shot, right I think they have a chance on anybody right now, and I think if, uh, if things go right, I think they have a chance to win a lot of games down the stretch here, even with these this four game stretch coming. But I'm not willing to say, like three years ago, if we were seven and four we were, we'd be sitting here with

panic in the streets. Yeah, you know, to to to continue that like the dynasty talk like I'm not ready to do that. I'm ready to say this is a really good football team capable of beating anybody. I think it's a good football team. And but my my problem is Paul, and it's not a problem. I'll tell you

why in a second. Other teams that they're still going to face, and other teams that are out there, I still say are better on paper, they have, they have better teams, But the virtually every other team, many of those that I you know now because you see these teams losing games that they choose some personnel and frankly and losing some personnel, but also just losing games sometimes

with the Buccaneers, Yeah, they continue to lose personnel here. Yeah, the Buccaneers aren't anywhere near as talented is the team that we played in Week three exactly exactly, So um, Week four, whatever it was, it was Week four. I remember. I seem to remember a big Week four game around here that people kept talking about circle week four on

the calendar. Was that because he was the Buccaneers. Do you remember some of the preseason talk of you can't have Mac Jones play in that game, it will ruin them. Oh man, some of the stuff, Like, I mean, I've said it before, just like I think they should just you know, probably they're gonna start Cam and bring Mac along slowly. Like thank god I was wrong about that. If we're gonna be fair, I believe at least my thoughts on it were, you don't want to bring Mac

Jones into that game. If if Com were the starter and he faltered in the first three, he didn't want mac Jones to have that be his first start the NFL, which is different than just having him that much different, but it is different. I think it's a lot different. I just felt like, if you felt like he was your starter, I don't understand why you would say he's my starter, but not against Tampa. No, no, no no, no, I'm saying I wouldn't start him, and that was his

first shot at you. That was a shot at Mike and Tony. Okay, but I would I would not have made that his first football game. I'm saying, yeah, Well, I mean I don't know, like I said, if I thought he'd done it, if I thought he was my starter, and that was the week I thought he passed cam. Yeah, were you no training wheels? Dad? Was I a no training wheels dad? Yeah? Just when you were teaching your your boys bicycles, did they have training wheels? No, they

did not have training wheels. Well, I mean they had. They did have the little you know, the little little tyke bikes that have like coasterine, but once they tried to learn how to ride bikes, they didn't have training ohne, no training wheels for my kids. So they had a coaster bike that my my daughter used a lot. But when she got her first bike came with training wheels and I took him right off. I'm like, you don't need them through the yeah, donate them. No training wheels.

We did have a hard time with my younger son. Yeah, yeah, he had he had a little Uh, he had some issues. Yeah, we have one bad issue on a bike with my son, with my youngest to the digger. I remember. So they you know, when when the kids in the neighborhood started to like really like venture out and ride around, then they had to get him to ride a bike, right, So they all they all helped him out, and he was you know, he got up to speed and he

was fine. And uh, I would say like maybe a month after all of this happened, like they sort of had an intervention. They can we're gonna help you, Tea, We're gonna help you. So I'm driving home one day and and there's like this long, windy road that leads to my street. So I'm driving around community and they come yea by the security guard. Yeah. So I'm going I'm coming around. I'm coming around the bend of this street and and I see this like a bike on

its side and like, kid, oh Jesus, it's TJ. He had fallen over. A couple of people had helped him, and he was like all sad. He wasn't crying, but he was like really embarrassed. UM, and I was like, what happened? He goes, he was just driving up street, the steering wheel turn, I hit the fence I found Oh my god, I could stop laugh and I felt

so bad. The same thing happened to me, but I was tj I wiped out on my bike on a street, got all caught up, and my parents just happened to be driving the other way and we're like, oh my god, that's Mike, and stopped and help me. That's a funny random Mike. Mike, that's my real name. Oh yeah, that's my real name. I forget him. Like, who's Mike number D train. Yeah, let's go to a Connor and Waltam.

What's up? Connor? You're on the Patriots Pulse game show twenty five to nothing shut out over the Falcons in Atlanta tonight. What's up? Yeah? I mean, honestly, like Thursday night football is always weird, So I mean about as happy as I could be about that. UM just had a quick question regarding Mac Jones and like the comment about the training wheels, UM heard a lot of talk about his feeling like as it relates to maybe the

other quarterbacks in the draft, they're current quarterbacks in the league. Like, I don't really know what that means, like the physical aspect of him with the arm strength and um, maybe the ability to make the big throw, but the decision making and everything else that goes involved, like the mental aspect. Why does that get to overlook in the NFL versus maybe the Josh Allen it doesn't. That's why. That's why

he was a first round pick. I think that's I think that's why, and I think the Patriots we were happy to get him there. But I also give some credit to the to the coaching there there. There have been times and counter thanks for the call, but just on physical ability, he wouldn't have been a first round pick. No, he would. He would not have. And you know we

were talking about this earlier today. I look, these are long days, So I apologize if it was us talking about it in the pre game, or if it was me and Beatle talking about it earlier today was zo. But when it comes to you know, these letdown games that rookies have, or maybe a letdown game that the Patriots have, it's like, uh, just expecting this, you know, really bad performance for mac Jones. I don't know that

the coaches would let him do that. I don't know that Josh McDaniels and Belichick would leave him out there for a four interception game or like like we saw last week or the week before it Again they're blending together too. Really has five pass attempts in the in the second half and a game when it just doesn't have a going It wasn't against Cleveland as the week before.

You understand what I'm saying though, So some of this decision making, I'll give most of the credit to Mac, and I'll give a you know, some of the credit to the coaching and the way he's he's been brought along this season too. You know, I was frustrating earlier on. I would have liked to have seen him you know, maybe had the rains taken off a little bit more, especially on some red zone plays. But it's hard to argue with the results that we're getting now. Yeah, I mean,

they've done a good job. I mean, if you believe it's all connected, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I do. I mean, it's I just I go back to when they announced Mac as the starter, and that was, you know, surprising they I mean, I guess we first heard Cam was getting released. Was the first part of it, but Josh McDaniels. I mean, that's why all week he listened

to is is Josh going to stick around? I think, you know, everyone's freaking out now that Josh McDaniels is gonna leave, But h it's it's it's been a clinic and I think that, you know, and you also got to mention just Mac being a great fit for here and just you know, the coaching staff and everything is in place, and they went out and they got all

these guys, including you know, two tight ends. I know, you know one one's worked out a little bit and the other right now, but they kind of put everything in lace and had a support system for him. And now that the offensive line is playing like we hope they would at the beginning of the season, with you know, Trump Brown coming back, but just playing together in front given him the time. I think that's you know, we

saw it really last week. I think this is this week's a little bit of a Thursday night game and you got to take it with a grain of salt. But they've done an excellent job in it, and it just doesn't it's never seemed like Max swimming in. It doesn't feel like he's you know, making mistakes and then they're snowballing. Um, you know, so they they've done a

good job of that. I you know, I would be curious how they would manage him if there was a game like that where wow, that he's getting crushed out there, like you just you can't get anything going, you know, would they what would they do to kind of pull back or to help? Hopefully we'll not have to see that. But um, but they But they've done a really good job and he's playing great and uh it's it's great

for the team. I mean the long term viability of the Patriots to have a kid like this playing like this. Sure love all the calls coming in. Oh this is great. Go out to California again. Well talk to Steve this time on the Patriots post game shown to buy cyber Reason. Hi Steve, thanks for Colin. What do you got for us? Hey? Thank you guys, been a long time fan forever, first time collect just did ask you guys what your opinion was. Um,

love this offense, Love Mac. I feel like our offense still doesn't have an identity and by that I mean we still don't have you know, Jacobe will go off for a game and then Kendrick Borne will go off for a game, Nelson Nagel will go off for a game. But we don't have those go to guys and U or at least consistently. It seems random. So and I think once we start getting Johnny Smith involved, I feel

like we're just not firing on all filinders. And once we do, it's my opinion, and I think the league will be on notice once we start firing on all filinders. You know what, I'd rather have it be this way. That's not going to happen. Yeah. I love that the identity of the offense is power. It's it's power football. They run the ball, that's the identity. Yeah yeah, I mean when was the last time they ran for less than one hundred yards in the game. That's so true.

And and Damian Harris back there, you can't even argue with it. I mean, they remandre, especially in my opinion, he passed the eye test. The guy just he falls for five yards even when he's getting pressured in the backfield. It's amazing. But I just don't I think that this offense hasn't even unlocked their true potential. And watch they disagree. I think this is what the offense is. I think they're doing exactly what they want to do. On offense.

They're they're controlling the ball, they're pounding away at defenses. This is exactly how they wanted to play when you if you asked them in August, how they thought it would unfold. This is it what you've seen in the last five weeks. We're gonna hold the ball, We're gonna beat you up. We're gonna come at you with our big, rough, tough offensive line. They were a little bit shaky earlier in the year. They've gotten it together Trent Brown being back.

Now they're gonna play power football and they're gonna shorten games. They're gonna control the ball thirty two, thirty three, thirty four minutes, and they're gonna just beat you to a pall. That's what they do. Well. I'm going to agree with both of you because Paul, I think they do have an identity. It's a run the ball type of offense, and it's a power offense. But I also agree with Steve and that I think John H. Smith can play better.

I think Hunter Henry can be more involved and but but I don't want to do it Steve, if this makes sense to the point where it becomes predictable, and that's a luxury you can afford when you're Tom Brady and you have Julian Edelman. Okay, he was the motor that made the offense go and everyone knew that was his go to guy and they couldn't do anything about it. That's a luxury when you have the greatest quarterback of all time and one of the most underrated receivers and

you don't have either of that right now. So I would rather them keep this identity, but just I guess, enhance it, or supplement it, or do whatever by untapping a little bit more of that potential that you're talking about, Steve, I agree, And especially with some tough games coming up, specifically those two Bills games. You know those Bills are going to hone in on our running game and and dare Max to throw the ball and he's going to do a good job like he's done all season. Um

but that, but he's relying on efficiency. And I love him, I mean, I'm a big fan, but when when they're shut down our run game and we need to turn to that passing game, that's when you need you know Nelson to make consistent plays, Kendrick to make consistent plays, and especially Johnny. I really do think Johnny is the key to our offense. When we get that guy going, it's gonna it's gonna confuse defensive coordinators in my opinion. All right, well, all you have to do is get

him inside the thirty. Yes, Paul, I have a question question in the back. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Why why do people think it's a matter of time before he gets going Johnny Smith? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know, because he was expensive. I mean, I don't think he's been like terrible like a lot of other people do. But I think I had mentioned it was like his career high is like forty five catches. Yeah, it's kind of

on pace for forty five catches. And I just don't think that he is I think people think that he is something more than he was. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of of you know, pounding that drum about john who And I mean I did it tonight and I don't know tonight. I feel like I'm just I just don't know if he's going to be an impact player for them. And I don't, and I don't, and I don't know that it really matters all that much because they've gotten other guys to stop.

I don't think it matters at all. So it's I think it's just one of those things when you signed all those guys in free agency. Some are gonna work, some weren't. It's unfortunate that you know, clearly one that you signed for four years hasn't worked out, but he is here for another three years that they want him.

So I just look at him like you have. I don't understand why you feel the need to have like a go to guy Like I wish they had like better options, like you know, maybe more dynamic options so they didn't have to constantly peck their way down the field like maybe they could get you know, you know, have a guy take a five yard slant and pick

up forty on a more consistent basis. Okay, maybe I would like to have more dynamic options, but I don't have any problem with spreading it around between Myers, Agalore and born. Um. Henry has been in there now that Smith was back in there, he was you know, he had a a you know, a good catch and run tonight. Um. Yeah, he's been by far and away, the least productive of those guys. But I don't, I don't. Why do you need to have one guy that that's like to me?

An identity isn't about we throw the ball to Edelman, that's our identity. To identity, the identity of that those offenses was quick timing, passing, passing attack. The slot receiver was was a focal point. That was the identity. The identity of this offense right now is power football. That's what they do. It doesn't have to be Stevenson, it doesn't have to be Harris. But you know they're going to run the ball and that's how they're going to

try to win. All Right, we're gonna move to while working. Oh, we're gonna go back to Atlanta where the game was played tonight, the Patriots twenty five nothing win over the Falcons in Atlanta in front of a lot of Patriots fans. Jordan, were you one of those fans? Did you go to the game? Jordan? Absolutely, guys, absolutely nice. The last time I called into the show, I was actually in Fox Throne.

We played the Dolphins in the final game of the twenty nineteenth season, and I said the safety struggled against tight ends in that game, Jessecki won back in the end zone whatever that catch was. We played phenomenal against not only Pitts but everybody they brought in. And Matthew Judon might be the best thing since Plice Bread. I want to hear you guys thoughts. Yeah, I agree. We were.

We were in loving him all season long, and ten and a half sacks the career high for him, so clearly he is, uh you know, having just as good at a time as we are watching him play. All right, we're gonna step aside here. We are going to continue with more of your phone calls here and emails send them to web radio at Patriots dot com. We'll get to him here as the Patriots postgame show continues here if you want more of that last second interception that

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monitor this Well, I'm supposed to matter. I'm screaming The post live from our studios inside Guette Stadium. Here's Hardy. Keep up the energy from Joe in Florida. Thanks for holding the ford in there at a night, gentleman. Pat's got the wind, sustained no injuries, and now I have a weekend off to prepare for the Titans mission. Accomplished two observations, he says. I thought Myers gained a first down at the end of the first half on a

third downplay, but they him short. I believe Myers landed on the defender and then rolled forward for the yard to gain. Should have been reviewed in the booths. Instead, the Pats settled for three points if it was the first down. Pats had a time out to use the twenty three seconds left for a couple of shots at

the end zone. Do you remember that play? That was the clock management that I talked about, and I actually mentioned that it was close and I think the Patriots may have been looking for a measurement there, Okay, Um, I don't remember the Myers it was close measurement. They never showed a replay. Sometimes when you see slow motion, you can see that he actually caught it beyond the line and then came back. Um. But it was. It was definitely close. I thought that there was a chance

for a measurement there. Yeah. He also says, my entertainment highlight was Trent Brown pulling and sprinting at some corner and turning was setting a record on the back pedal for good reason. Yeah, we were talking about Trent Brown just as the game started, and just the sheer size of the man. It's just in a game of huge men, he's so big. He's just we compared it in Hardy

had the perfect comparison. It was Michael Or in Blindside that the actor who played Michael Or right, not Michael Or as a pro with Baltimore, that the actor who played him in the movie was so much bigger than everybody else in the movie. That's what That's what Trent Brown looks like in the NFL yield. Oh that's great, all right, Colin in the Bay Area. You are next up Patriots postgame Show presented by Cyber Reason. What's up, Colin? Colin? Oh, yeah,

go ahead and there you are. What's up? Hey, guys, I just wanted to say one thing. I thought it was like a great defensive game for sure, but when we were down, we were up sixt nothing back through the interception either, any of your thirteen nothing when that happened. Yeah, they're just nothing when he threw that interception. Anybody worried when I thought, like maybe a change the momentum. Yeah, I'm always worried. Okay, so Mike is always worried and I and I kind of never am so hardy. How

did you feel? I was right in the middle. I thought, you know, what they score here, and what it's it becomes interesting all over again. Now there was nothing to indicate that Atlanta was going to be able to finish that off, and you know, sure enough they they did not. But yeah, as as we're sitting here and Paul Paul knows if they Paul knows, if they score there, then I would say, yes, game on, thirteen seven, Game on. But you still had givens. I just didn't think there

was any chance they would have score. I was watching the rest of the game. I know, I know you are, but I just think, all right, well, maybe you know, maybe they're gonna feel something, or maybe they're gonna get sparked. It's just no, technically, you guys are right. What do you guys think about Matt Ryan I think he's very good. I think he's very good too. Yes, I didn't get all the talk this week of you know, Matt Jones comp if like he was Matt Ryan. I saw a

lot of that going around. Think, of course, I mean he's been a ten year excellent NFL starter. I mean, you gotta throw out the specifics of out there by himself tonight. Okay, so he just hit Kyle Pitts, that's it. Yeah, he just doesn't have anything else. He doesn't have a suitable offensive line, they don't have a running game. People are always like, well, you know, he's had great weapons in the past. Yeah, and he won an MVP when he did that, and he went to the Super Bowl.

You know. And I'm not saying that he's the greatest player. You know, I never have thought of him as one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But I've always I've always thought of him as a pretty good player. Yeah, if Matt Jones could achieve that level of play consistently for a decade, like sign me up right now, Bill and Bowseman says, Nick Folks put on the good list before the game and probably probably lives up to it as soon as he kicked that first field goal, he knew. Yeah,

he was in also on the good list. The whole defense again, especially Kyle Van Noi, we had all of that. Uh so thank you. We are in lockstep. We'll go to Atlanta once again. Brandon is in Atlanta on the Patriots post game Brandon Atlanta presented by Cyberries and High Brandon. Hey. So, yeah, I just got home from that Patriots home game. That

was just a total total domination. And I mean we were already like seventy thirty when we got there, but you know when it was like nineteen or what was it, yeah, nineteen nothing. It was really all Patriots sans then because the thousand fans were just like, yeah, we've seen this before, We're gone. But um, yeah it was it was. This

was literally the greatest night of my life. Because one, I've been a Patriots fans for twenty plus years and I've lived in Atlanta for twenty plus years, so I rarely had a chance to see him, and this was my first time to see him. I had an amazing seat and yeah, I'm just it just was the greatest, greatest night of my life, hands down. Wow. I do have a question though, Um, the last time we've lost was the Dallas and we and our defense looked terrible. Is it that we fit things or was that just

an anomaly? M that's the question find out. I think that's the question right there. I mean, that's an awesome offense that had a bunch of weapons that could spread you out. I mean, look at how the game ended with you know, Mills trying to cover CD Lamb. I mean that you know those are they played that kind

of offense since Mike, Mike broke it all down. Yeah, you know, let's let's talk after you know, after Buffalo with Sanders and you know, all of their their weapons beastly and digs and that's I mean, that's the best part is you really don't see those kinds of offenses because Tennessee is a really really good team, but they don't have that kind of offense, no nothing, And and the Cults are a pretty good team, they don't have that kind of offense. It's it's you know, it's just

Buffalo and really Buffaloes well one dimensional. They don't run the right and I mean just you know, I'm seeing right now playoff seating if it were to happen right now, you're going to Kansas City week one, So you know, Brandon, I'm glad you had a great night. Not want me to focus on that. Well, that's the two part article will do. It's more of an off airy conversation. Stefan in Germany says, a typical sloppy Thursday night game, but the win is the thing, and Mac was better than

Matt Ryan. Yeah tonight. Yeah, running game. He had a running game, and he had some receivers that caught his pass. But it's it's funny for it as bad as that game was from Atlanta. I didn't think Matt Ryan was terrible tonight. I think he plays for a terrible team. Yeah, I thought he made one bad throw. That was the throw that went off of Zakius's hands right to J. C. Jackson for the pick. He said the offense didn't fire

on all cylinders. Again, maybe a point of contention for Paul, but the defense pitched to shut out with four picks. What more can you ask And this is maybe the best point. What more can you ask for from a rookie led team on a short week And I think that's the main takeaway. Absolutely, I have nothing to you thought I would argue with that. I think you would argue with whether or not the offense is firing on

all cylinders, which not tonight, but the last game they did. Yeah, and but four for twelve and third down, that to me was like the epitome of Thursday Night I Tuesday Night football at its worst. I think where you and I disagree is how much room there is for the offense to get better. I think they've got a little higher ceiling maybe than you do. Yeah, probably that's it. And it comes down well, and I don't know what. I don't know what does thinks because it's offense and

he doesn't really care pay attention during that. But it does feel to me right now kind of not as extreme as the preseason ending, but it feels like this was kind of the first act of this season and we saw, all right, they've got a good team, they can play, they're tough. You know, you've gotten the pieces to come together. And now over these next four games, really gonna find out who it is was their ceiling. You know, how good is this defense against some more

very type offenses. Certainly they're gonna need to stop the run, uh here in these in these next four games that that's a huge part and that could get them two out of four wins. Just being good against the run. Um, you know, stop Tennessee take that out of their game as well as you know Jonathan Taylor at Indy who's awesome too. So still part of it. But here it comes like these four games, this is it, you know, this is what the real season play. Christ and Orlando.

Hello Chris, Welcome into the Patriots post game Show presented by Cyber Reason. Hi Chris, how are you guys? Big band? Um just got a couple cool questions here for you guys. Just one of your thoughts. Um, So, when the Falcons got down, you know, in the red zone and they were, you know, seemed like they were moving the ball. I was at the game, um, Leaven Atlanta, Now I'm just

from Orlando. That's what I put. If they kicked field goal, they make it, How does that change the game If they don't get that, you know, illegal formation that changed the game in any aspect? Do they do they get any momentum there? And how do you think the Patriots would have bounced back? I think I don't. I don't know.

If I want to give him enough it changed. It does change the game, and that the next time they get down there and it's fourth thound, they can kick a field goal and make it thirteen six, and you know, maybe maybe the game is still on at that point. You miss the first one, and then the second time you get down there, you can't you can't kick a field have to go for it on fourth You have to go for it on fourth thound. So okay, I think the game I quite honestly, I think they probably

win the game nineteen to six. If that happens. I'm not gonna, you know, presume that all the interceptions happen. But all right, and I hear I hear all this talk about Jude On and whatnot. I personally, when we signed him, I thought he was overpaid. Um, but what what do you guys have thought? Do you guys think he's overperformed or or how do you guys think he's performed this year? I will be the first to admit I was not a Matthew Judon expert before he joined

the team. I knew he was a good player, and I knew him from you know, highlights. Essentially, I think it's worth every penny that he's getting paid, and I guess he. I would have to say he exceeded my expectations too, because at no point in the preseason did I say, you know, the guy that we're going to end up talking about more often than not after games through eleven weeks. As Matthew Judon, No, I would not have said, I'll tell you what I would have said.

I would have said Pro Football Focus told us that it was the worst free agent signing, and he wasn't, you know, he was one of the lowest rated, you know, and all the things that he did, and I kind of I don't know why, because I so often mocked and ridicule that stuff, and I don't know why I put so much stock into it, but I was worried that he was going to be a bust and I was wrong. I don't I don't ever really remember him being a big factor against the Patriots and in games

they played against Baltimore, Like I don't. I mean, I just I watched a lot of Baltimore games and he always was sort of he's on the Ravens like I, you know, Marlon Humphrey. Every time I I saw Baltimore play was making place. Yeah, you know, I never really remember Matthew Jude. I always thought he was sort of a real workman, like set the edge, physical guy, which is exactly what he's been. Yeah. Yeah for the Patriots. Uh to Rob in Australia, we go, Hello, Rob, thanks

for calling into the post game show. What's up? Boys are? Yeah? Good? Good? I just wanted to do I'm sure you get the artire. I wanted to make one comment, ask a couple of stupid questions. The first coment I wanted to make would come to the right place. I think, who's that guy Brandon Oregon? Because I think he's the only one who predicted a shutout in this in this game? Um, I didn't see that coming. And then the questions I wanted

to ask you guys, I'll take these off the air. So, Paul and Mike, which Patriots uniform of all times would you pair with Matthew Jude on red sleeve? Oh? And then Hardy a question for you, Yeah, which is worse? Grown Ups one or Grown Ups two? I will I will two is really abysmal. Yeah, well I'll take the second question first, Rob, Grown Ups two is worse because they thought it could be saved by a Shaquille O'Neil cameo. It's like, you know what we'll do. We'll dress him

up as a cop and we'll have him dance. And again, that's just the sign of any bad movie. Let's let's throw in a random dance scene here where the character dances, and again, it's funny. It's funny. We're all laughing here on this set, the camera guys laughing, we're all laughing. It's not funny to anyone else. It may have been funny to you guys when you were shooting it, but you really weren't concerned with what the product was going to be. It's a it's a it's a bad product.

And what makes it really truly criminal is that all guys involved with it are capable of being funny on their own, whether it's Sandler or David Spade, any of them. Don't say Rob Schneider and no, yeah, I don't the worst. Yeah, he's well, that's another that's another deuce, Hollywood tip. Rob Schneider is the worst. Wow. Yeah, but take that one to your friends there in Australia. All right, thanks buddy. Oh did you want to hang on for their uniform answer?

Hold on do you have a uniform answer? Yeah, my, I mean I think I've talked about this. The late seventies uniforms are my favorites. What about like the white ones. Yeah, the white ones with those red sleeves would be perfect. Hot hot, yeah, hot stuff, nineteen seventy eight uniforms. I'll google that one. Now. Hey, you boys be safe driving home,

will you do? One? Also bugs me too about the whole grown ups thing is that Sandler has to portray himself as the most successful guy with the hot life, and then his friends are are, for the most part, a bunch of jerks who, you know, lie about how much money they have or they've got the you know, the ugly wives or whatever. It's like, it's so up and they just got they just show they just show up and do it anyway. Yeah, yeah, I'll play that guy because it's kind of like that in real life, right,

Buddy's writ write Spike sad you said it. It sounds like the straight man. I've never seen his movies. Stand there's like the straight guy then in the movie and everybody else of the wacky kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, they're all kind of they're all childhood friends and then they go off and they do their own things, and Hardy nails it like he's the successful agent and he's rich. And his wife is sal Mahayak, who was gorgeous and

she's a very successful like designer, designer. Yeah, and all the other friends and Kevin James lies about how much money has and rents a Cadillac to make everyone else think that he's doing well. Right, you know, I'm gonna rent it tonight. I'm gonna watch it. Isn't Maria Bellows his wife though, isn't she She's not bad? My god? Uh no, I don't know, but this is no, it's ridiculous. And Chris Rock is married to my Rudolph. Also my Rudolph sign of comedy desperation anytime she shows up and

starts mugging for the camera. Not funny, not funny, I agree, not funny. Don't worry. Nobody's listening anyway. He how dare you that's a little hurtful. We're doing a comprehensive breakdown in the movie Grown Ups because the caller asked us to do it, and jes so, you know, we may have broken a postgame record for phone calls tonight, despite the fact that we played in primetime on a Thursday, a shutout game, not a great football game on a Thursday night, and we took more calls tonight than in

any post game in recently. Think we primed it with the pre show. We're talking about grown ups, and then you know, we just carried that momentum right through the game and now we're here in the postgame and nothing

premise has to be a big deal. But the fact that these guys are all reuniting because a guy who coached them when they were ten years old for a summer camp basketball team has just, you know, fords, this bond between these guys, yeah, Styler alert and they all come back to other friends like, hey, Deuce, who what was the name of your basketball coach at summer camp when you were ten years old? Mister san Sony, Oh shut up, that's not a true thing. Seventh grade cyo,

not seventh gradest, not ten years old. I didn't go to camp. Well, I was thirteen. But see why if he died, would you go would you go visit Christian organization? Yeah? No? Yeah? Was my religion not good enough for you? I had the Boys and Girls club? Huh? I was a flag football champish right here, that's right, the Auburn Heights Boys and Girls Club before they got all Schmancy went to Auburn Hills. They changed the name of the town. They

changed the town for the when they put the palace in. Yeah, it's true. It was Auburn Heights. Oh wow, there you go. Can we be done? We got ten minutes? Okay to eleven minutes? All right, So Patriots, I would like to say, so football, I would like to see a Harris and Stevenson in the formation at the same time. It's been a while since they ran that formation with the running backs. Your thoughts dual running back thoughts from David? What are

your thoughts? I kind of like the way Yacob Johnson was blocking tonight the yak with his Crimson Tide colored hair he was blocking. Well, yeah, there's always infatuation with the two running back sets with you know, red, Rex and White was one and stop it right there. You could say there's always an infatuation with yeah, whatever they're not doing. Yeah, there's always jo infatuation with whatever they're not doing currently. Yeah, yeah, but what if it's been great?

But what if they did what if they got John W. Smith like Hudre Henry has seven touchdowns? Yeah, like what if we had Jonah Smith, like, you'd have another guy like I'm glad you brought up Yacob Johnson. Um, he was good tonight the valarious they kept profiling him, Yes, and Troy was talking about about some of the blocks he was making at the point of attack. Fullback talk, let's go. Uh. Valerians starts off by saying, thank you. You convinced me to get a Thorogin mini from my

parents for Christmas. That would make a good gift. It is, it's it's quality and yeah. Um. But as for the game, I'd say that Yakub Johnson was sneaky good. Uh. He was blowing up defenders all game. Commentators at least were gushing over his blocking as you just said, and I'd have to agree with him. Definitely worth consideration for the Good List. Should we put him on a late ad? Yeah, late ad? Everybody hug a cop. Yeah, I said it. I got him with the one. What about Jacobean? I

thought Jakobe had a pretty good game too. He can tease you know, It's it's not a lot of volume like it was kind of early, but but I think he continues to come up with with some key plays. Uh, I don't think you might have had that first down, but you know, it just it goes back to the other caller too, of like, you know, do you really want somebody to obviously keeling? Like does that? Does that

make your offense good? I feel like, well, I think it makes everybody else better when you have that guy. So I'm not saying I don't want that guy, but if you got somebody pulling coverage and pulling yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, it marked it real good Born And what was up with Born going down? Like, I just gotta bring that up when last time since where I like there were two times he could have easily gone one more yard it just

picked up the first down and didn't. I don't know, It's just I love the guy. I love what he's been doing, but I just I hate those little plays where it's like, well, one of the times that he may have taken him out of bounds and he was trying to stay in bounds. But as uh Paul pointed out, and actually I think Aikman pointed out pretty quickly too, actually You know what, even if you got to bounds, but you pick up the first down as you're going out,

you accomplished the same thing. You win the game. And they ended up not getting the first down. Yeah, right, then they didn't get the first down on third down. So it's um, Now it didn't matter because it was sixteen to nothing at the time, so the game was over anyway. But very nitpicky. Yeah, um, how many? Unfortunately

the score has happened ten times in the past. The twenty five to nothing, we knew that, But Eric wants to know how many times has a backup quarterback come out thrown a pick and then on the next play the third string guy comes in? And what's that? It hasn't happened since two thousand with three different quarterbacks in the same team threw a pick in the same game, but on consecutive plays pick and then the next guy comes out. That's another whole level of it. Well, I

get into it. I'm not sure you got your typewriter, television true research. This just this juncture. You have to use the Google machine. Let's go uh to West Virginia. Tim says, it's time to go home. God, I wish that were true, Tim, Tim, what do you know that we don't. No, you guys just spent way too much time. I'm talking about grown ups too. Make sure you're alert for your drive home. Thank god, all right, thank you. Wow that's good hit and run. I like that. Oh Man,

funds are worried about us. Yeah, well Paul's just walking walking around the corner to the hotel. Yeah, that's how Paul's got the shortest drive to for once tonight, I'm staying on campus Andrew in Hawaii, Hello Andrew. Hey, gentlemen, how are we doing very good than exhausted. I'll be quick here so you guys can get out of there and head home. But I gotta call Paul out real quick. Yeah. I'm a big fan of the show. During the week, Peu and I heard Paul make the comment that JC

Jackson's kind of just another cornerback. I did not say that, Paul. You made the statement that we can find a J. C. Jackson. Oh yeah, you can't. But I didn't say he's a jack interception through fifty six games, he's allowed two catches over the last three games. To me, we gotta resign this guy. He doesn't grow on tre so okay, let let me make you could deal with you then if they don't resign him, I want you to call up and rip Bill Belichick. Can you do that? That's not true?

But I think there's a middle ground where you got to admit jac Jackson is a number one cornerback and somebody we shouldn't just let walk. I don't think he's number one cornerback. I don't. I don't. I don't think he's number one cornerback. The number is kind of back up that tap though. He's locked down opponent's number one receivers and he's made Please who do you lock down tonight? Who was the number one receiver he locked down tonight? Yes?

I mean against the Falcons. You can't really say that, but you got to feel good about J. C. Jackson and his matchup going into every game and without him, really, at that point, who do we have? So to me? Oh, but those are different arguments. I just want I want to see. I'm gonna stay my my point up front, but if I don't wait for it to happen before I stay my point, I want you to tell me that you will call up and rip Bill Belichick if he doesn't resign him, I will rip him if they

let him walk at a reasonable price. Obviously, I know Bill's not going to overpay for a guy, Okay, so I'm gonna okay, So I want also up front, I want to know what overpay is. What is overpaying him if he's a number one corner, If he's a number one corner, like you say, that's twenty million a year, yeah, eight twenty million. They got twenty four million cap space

next year right now. So if you if you say that he is a number one corner and Bill doesn't sign him to a deal and someone else gives him eighteen to twenty million, I want you to call up and rip him. I want you to admit that the Patriots can't sign it other JC Jackson easily in the draft like you made it sound like. Especially you know, given the Patriots history trying to draft cornerbacks, we can't just let this guy. I'm not telling you that the

Patriots will be able to do it. I'm saying there are a lot of guys like jac Jackson in the league. That's all I'm saying. I don't know if the Patriots are going to be able to get one. I never said that I think he's a good player. I don't think he's a great player. That's all, ok, all right, Andrew, thanks, I love you too. That was a good argument. That was that was fun. That was that was everybody was on their good behavior, and that was not too tired

to really get into it with my heart. But he still has he still has the six shooter though he's still even though he's a little tired, he can still pull it. But I'll say this that those are my two things. When Bill doesn't do it, I want you to rip him. And when the Patriots beat Buffalo, I want you to say it was a nothing win because Buffalo sucks. This this is a preview of every show in early February right here. This is what we're This is exactly what's going to be happening on your show too.

Buffalo sucks. Everybody tells me. Bill Simmons has told me for a week that the Bills stink. So when the Patriots beat them, I don't want to hear people peacock about the Patriots and how great that win is because the Bills stink. Okay, that's what you tell me. I know I over here will tell you if the Patriots beat Buffalo. I will be very impressed if they go out and beat Buffalo, because I think Buffalo is a pretty good team. All right, but you you are not

allowed to do that, you hardy. I don't know how this turned into me getting yelled at. I'm so tired. No, if you not heard that in all, seriously, put my snark away for a second. Have you not heard that a lot the last couple of weeks. Well, I've and quite frankly, when you lose to Jacksonville nine to six, I start to question how good you are too. Okay, so then let's not give the Patriots much credit for beating a team they should beat. Then well, I don't

want to do that. I don't want to give him credit. I will, okay, I will give them credit because I think Buffalo is good. Okay, I think that had a terrible game. Okay, like the Patriots had a terrible game against Miami. Um, these things happen. Would your franchise jac Jackson and we've talked about it, I would not, deuce, I would not. Okay, Yeah, if I could get him to sign a deal that I'd be interested in that.

But I wouldn't I wouldn't hate franchising him. I think he's gone, oh one more year if they can't figure anything else out. I could, I could see that. But again, I mean, you know, and I know these numbers are rough, but twenty four million, that's what they got in caspiece right now. They can mess with it. But you know, just a general kind of overview. Yeah, there's not a lot of wiggle room next year. So is that counting

like all of the pending free agents being off the books? Yes? Correct, So yeah, I mean it's relative if you're taking off everybody. But still, I mean it's just it's not oh hey, we'll look, we got sixty million or like whatever it was last year where I don't care about you knew things were going to happen. Cap space is irrelevant. As you know, Hardy, this isn't the NHL that actually has a cap cap his crap. That's one thing I do agree with me. Yes, wow, oh yeah, I didn't see

that coming. No camp at this too late. I thought that was going to be a late fight right there. Thank god it was, Casey and Toronto will be our final call and we get a few more emails to get to when we come back and wrap things up here on the Patriots Post Game Show. Text requires scene in the dark, understanding and date and re correcting your organization on computers, moving aloud takes Siberias, end cyber attacks from ind points to everywhere that looks awful. Football's back

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the case. That's all right, Can we be honest? Cody and Indiana emails, And I know Paul was really high in John who Smith this past offseason, and I definitely bought into it. Having said that, though, what point do we start considering him a bust? I mean, he's better than that's a cost? Sorry, Deuce, Well, yeah, but he hasn't been great. He hasn't he hasn't provided much. Yeah, Um, just kind of waiting, continuing to wait. It's like, yeah, when what is it gonna happen? When's it gonna happen?

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