Patriots Catch-22 3/2: Checking in at the Combine, Previewing DL/LB prospect workouts

Bark in the host chair today. Evan is here, but he is in Indianapolis. We've got a lot to get to. You want to join us eight five five Pats, five hundred Patriots at web radio dot com. Evan, how are your elbows? Are they rubbed? How do they look? How do they look like they're they're pretty rubbed? His sweatshirts all worn out folks. The other day. Yet two days ago, I was sitting at a table at Prime forty seven, as you do in Indianapolis, and Ian Rappaport sat down

next to us. So you had rap sheet in our area as well as some other couple of people. You know, I think that's it's cool. It's a cool part of the combine for fans of the game as well as reporters like like us, where You're just walking down the hallway and I'm walking down the hallway one way and Sean Payton's walking down the same hallway and you just kind of say a quick clo. You know, I'm not trying to go up to him and talk to him too much about football or anything like that, but it's

just everybody's here. We were just surrounded by a bunch of different people, media people, NFL people. It's a it's NFL spring break, That's what I always call it. It's just a summit for everybody in the NFL in one place. Well, Evan is certainly starstruck by a lot of the coaches and gms, but we're gonna get to the play who are there. So we've already had two rounds of player media availability, so that's you know, we kind of find out who's meeting with what teams or whatever. First workouts

coming up. We'll be off the air as those beginn I think it's three o'clock eastern, right is when the first workouts begin, and that will be defensive linemen and linebackers today, it will be cornerbacks tomorrow. I believe it's running backs an offensive lineman on Saturday. Right, and then they saved the best for last, which is wide receivers, tight ends, quarterbacks. That's what everybody really want. Wide receivers

or Saturday line and running backs or Sunday. Okay, well, so the offense is the second two days of workouts, so we don't have any workouts to go off of, Evan, but already a ton of news, a ton of news coming out of the combat. Where do you want to start? Where do you want to start? We got some directions. I want to start with two big picture things. One related directly to the Patriots, and I'm interested to get

your take on an outs. And the other thing is more a big picture takeaway as it relates to the draft. So let's start with the Patriots. It has now been reported, it's now out there that Bill Belichick is not here in Indianapolis, and this is becoming a lot more popular around the league. Teams like the Rams don't even show up, Not even their GM is here. I don't believe less

need is even here at the combine. So I think the biggest reason why this is becoming a little bit more popular is because free agency is so close to the combine that it's difficult to do all the homework that you need to do from a veteran market standpoint and do the combine all at once. So I think

that there's a lot more of that going on. But I think the main thing is is that Macro is reportedly again here running the ship for the Patriots, and I have a positive spin on it for the most part, but Alex, I'm interested to hear opinion on it of Bill Belichick maybe being a little bit more hands off on the draft and allowing Macro, Elliott Wolf and Cameron

Williams and the staff do his thing. Well, I think, whoever you are, your opinion depends on what you think of Matt Grow, because I think that it signals that Matt grow is getting more agency, at least when it comes to the draft. He is the director of player Personnel, so he technically oversees and when I say overseas, I mean under the general manager that is Bill Belichick. He oversees both. So you have a director of pro personnel who handles like free agency, trades, things like that. You

have I forget what the college one is called. It's director of so they just call a director of college scout college scouting. Okay. You also have Elliott Wolf who's just director of scouting maybe more his role I think is more about pro personnel, exact type of role. Okay, in general, he's the number two. And then you have Cam Williams's the college scouting director right as that, but so generally, and again the Patriots set ups a little

different because the head coach is the general manager. But the way teams are generally set up, and these titles can vary. We all know how teams like to change the titles and one up each other. But you have your director of pro personnel, which is free agency and trades, some sort of guy who's the equivalent for the draft and college scouting and that. And then you have the director of player Personnel, who's essentially the GM's number two, who both of those two, both of those two people

report too. That's what Matt grows title. And we don't know for sure how they work every little thing, but that's Matt Grows title. But it seems like in this he came from a scouting background, a college personnel background, and it to me him being there tells me that they are kind of to an extent, putting the draft process in his hands, or at least the preparation process

for the draft in his hands. I don't know that this means he gets carte blanche say on picks, but in terms of Evan you say it all the time, right, it's a fact finding mission the combine. Yes, he is the one in charge of finding facts. Yeah, And I think that, you know, the positive spin that I'll put on it is I think that we're trending towards the direction.

I know. Mike reas head into Sunday notes last week that Macro was also the one signing off on contracts player contracts now as well Slater's contract, assume Connor McDermott's contract as well if that deal is done. And I think a lot of what this is pointing towards is that Macro's influence is growing in the front office. And I would also say that it might be his draft board.

It might be his draft board. And I know Bill Belichick is always going to have the influence and always going to have finals say and is always going to be there in the process. But if it's truly Macro's bored, where Bill is maybe saying the Macro, we need this, this, this, and this find me the best this, this, and this

in the draft. Right, and that's the case. I think that's a good thing for the Patriots because it's a it's a little bit of fresh perspective, it's a younger perspective and in someone that grew up, like you said, in the scouting way of life, right, that was that was how he grew up in his background, for lack of better termers backgrounds an amateur player personnel not not pro personnel correct in college scouting. So yeah, I think that's a big he's a draft guy. He's a draft guy.

I have his resume right here. Came in as a scouting assistant, then was an area scout, then was a national scout. In twenty twenty one, was the director of college scouting, and then he moved into his current role, which is his first non full scout, non full college related role last year. Right, And so maybe this was the plan all along, Right, Maybe they knew that that he had this scouting background and he was somebody that was very involved in the college game and understood the

colleg edge game. And Bill handles more free agency trades the veteran market, and Macro has the board. And like I said, I think that this is all just conjecture. I'm not saying that this is you know, information or anything like that. But I think what I'm hoping is happening here is what I just said. Bill says to him, Matt, we need a corner with some size, we need a receiver, we need a tackle maybe, And you go out and you find me the highest rated players at those three

positions that you guys have. Which it's funny you put it that way, because I've always felt like, as long as we've done a show together, that's kind of how the show works. During draft season, you are the film guru, like you're the one who can get into the nuts and bolts of the player archetypes. I like to think of myself as somebody who understands team building pretty well. So I say, hey, they need this, this, this, and this, and then you come along and say, well, this guy

I saw on tape does this. So you know, funny how that works out, isn't it? It's a well, you know, you're shopping for the grocery still if you're Bill bell Chet, but you're you're allowing somebody else to do the legwork, which I think is a good about well what you're doing. It's like, you know, uh, take frozen pizzas for example. You know there's all the different brands of frozen pizza. You want a frozen pizza, but it's just looking to see which brand you always haven't asked somebody else for

advice on which brandy should get. That's pretty much what it is. I did not need to compare future NFL athletes. They're frozen pizza. But you got what I'm saying, shopping from hopefully some like Elios or something like that that they end up getting. Oh yeah, you're an Elios guy. Of course Elios is fine. I don't know. I like Mystic pizza, the frozen Mystic pizzas, Okay, I mean, if you I feel like if you grew up in New England in the nineties, zero and Eliot's guy. I know

I ate a lot of Eliot. Maybe it's because I ate too much of it that it just like didn't it stopped wowing me. Anyway, I just I got the little sections. All right, Yeah, we're that's that's a that's a that's a true offseason time. We're off the rails. Uh. So the Belichick report him not being at the combine uh came from a report from Chad Graff of The Athletic.

The other thing Chad had in his column this morning was that what the Patriots plans are a wide receiver, and it sounds like they'd rather go the veteran route than use that fourteenth pick. Now, we've talked a lot about the wide receivers in this class. Evan, how do you feel about that? You know where I've been on the wide receivers for I would say a week or two now, and that's I'll use the phrasing luke warm, like I'm not a sold on any of these receivers.

As Targets had fourteen in the first round. I think if you're the Patriots in their history at the wide receiver position in the draft, if you were going to draft a receiver that high up in the draft, you better be sure about it, like you have that has to be like a home run type of player. I

understand that that doesn't always last. Till fourteen. But a guy that I would really give an example of is somebody like Justin Jefferson or Ceedee Lamb right who did last to later in the middle of the first round. It would have been on the board at fourteen at the Patriots that we're picking in those drafts, But don't we also have to consider the fact that those were

better receiver classes. Yeah, And I think that that's where I'm at, is that you're looking at a board where you're, yes, you maybe Jordan Addison or Zay Flowers or Jackson Smith and Jigba is number one on your board, is wide receiver one, and you're getting him at fourteen, which is some value potentially. But I think what you're looking at is that in general, but these guys all have flaws

to their game. I mean, there's a report out there right now, Alex and I we're talking him to him tomorrow and I'm really fascinated to see what we can get out of him on this that Jackson Smith and Jigba is not running the forty in Indianapolis. He's not running at the Combine. There's also a report out there that he potentially might not run a forty at all. Okay, and it's not gonna Let me just add a context to that real quick. I actually saw somebody say this

last night and I looked it up. Ohio State's one of the few schools where the forty times at the pro day are actually slower than the forty times at the combine, right, right, So maybe the case, and maybe we can get an answer out of him about this tomorrow. Maybe the case. Maybe he's not one hundred percent yet because he did have those nagging injuries at Ohio State last year, and he doesn't want to run the forty

at las than one hundred percent. But I think an optimistic view for JSN and the forty would have been a high four or four, low four or five time. So if that's the optimistic view and he doesn't even want to run, then that tells me that he's actually closer to like a four or six. And then look, I don't I think he I think Smith and Chick

is a better player. But and we talked about this on the last show, Evan, you look at a guy like David Bell last year, who was projected to be a first round pick, ran a four to six something right, and then was a third four six five and then was a third round pick, almost fell to the fourth round. He's the ninety nineth pick overall. And look, I'm not

saying that. You know, maybe in Jig's confident in his abilities and he knows even at a four six five, he can be a good NFL player, and maybe he can be like Jarvis Landry, I think ran like a four seven something. But yeah, these guys also are looking out for their livelihood and they want to get paid.

And if you run a four to six five, maybe you prove eventually you should have gone in the first round, but you get third round money, not first round money, and then what happens if you get hurt, you never get that, you know, first round money kind of contract. Right, So he's looking out for his best interest, but it definitely is kind of telling Yeah, that's that's where I'm at.

Is that. So Jason has the speed concern whether or not he's gonna have top end speed, and yeah, like he said, maybe he ends up being I know your opinion on Michael Thomas Aux and sometimes Luke for but Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, like maybe that's like to range those guys project a little bit. I would say to something that Jason one of those crafty route runner. I know I've always compared him in the past to Aman Ross Saint Brown on the Lions,

who's another guy that ran a slower forty times. So maybe he compares nicely to those players and ends up being a thousand yard receiver. And this looks ridiculous, but it's all about variants in the draft. It's all about hedging your bets and taking risks in the draft. And is that at risk you cannot I'll say this way, you cannot take a four six receiver in the first round. I don't care if he's the best route runner on

the planet Earth. You can't do that and not you just like specifically this team because speed is such a need, right, you just can't. And I would also say, you know, with Jordan Addison, I like a law the aspects of his film, but I have concerns about his ability to finish through contact and play the football down the field and beat press coverage on the outside to a point where maybe he is more of a slot detached receiver that's able to kind of just get in eat up space.

Zay Flowers is the one guy that in fourteen I still think is a little bit too early unless he absolutely dazzles here over the weekend. But Zay Flowers is the one guy where I'm starting to come around to the idea of him being a first round talent. The reports are I guess that picture is out there that he's up to like one eighty three now, so he's going to come in at like five to nine, one

hundred to eighty pounds with a four three. That basically that profile is what Jaalen Waddle came out of the draft to a couple of years ago, So it's not too far off from what the guy like Waddle was like when he was entering the league. So I think that there's a little bit more support there for Za potentially. But my point being, with all these guys, and you can throw Quentin Johnson into this mix as well, I

don't love any of them. And for a team that has struck out a bunch at the receiver position at the top of the draft over the years, and a team that desperately needs to hit on a playmaker, the fact that I am not one hundred percent sold on any of them. It tells me that fourteen is not a good investment. But that pig so whether it's trading for a receiver in the veteran market, or maybe it's just bringing Jakobe Meyers back on a reasonable deal and in trying to run it back for a year. I

don't love that option. I don't think any of us do. But I don't think I think that's sort of where I'm at. But I have one more thing to say about this, but go ahead on some of those other guys. No, I was gonna say, I don't think they believe that that's the best way to do it. I mean that the reports indicate otherwise so far this offseason. I would just say kind of the other half of your argument, where you're not sold on any of these receivers and

kind of touched on it there. They've struggled developing at the position, and in what's such a crucial year for the offense and what's such a crucial year for Mac Jones. I mean, in reality, what's a crucial year for Bill Belichick? Do you want to be kind of carrying along a young receiver because even if he's good, I mean, it's still a learning process, right, I've said, Evan, I've been

saying this to you. I think since like October, they've got to get a guy that has proven he can do it in this league and knows what it takes to get it done in this league. And look some of those names. I don't know if these other gms at the combine right, they're saying these players aren't available, Maybe they're really not. Maybe they're just trying to help

their bargaining position. It's very possible. At this time last year, we didn't know j Brown was going to be available, and we didn't know Tyreek Hill was going to be available. But they can still like there's good contributing players they can get and it's not necessarily going to cost the bank to do it. I look at a guy like Jerry Judo I've talked about a lot. I actually was had asked Patton the question about Judy thank you the other day, and he he was very very tight lipped

about the situation. And to put that in contrast of the answers about Keenan Allen, the answers about te Higgins, I think there was one more guy that I can't remember. Definitely was one more. And I was trying to remember this morning when I was writing, but I couldn't figure it out. It wasn't Hopkins, right, I know it was Keenan Allen. I think it was Keenan Allen and Higgins are the ones that the door was completely shut on right where they said go get your own receiver. I

think was Duke Tobin. Great quote, by the way, yeah great. So he that's the one guy that we asked about other than Hopkins who's out there basically requesting a trade or recognizing that his type in Arizona might be coming to an end. And Brandon Cooks who requested a trade from the Texans. The one other guy that I thought was a little bit to answer tight Limp didn't really

say much. I was patting on Jerry Judy, so I didn't get the question into Sean Payton because the Broncos reporters and the Broncos contingent there were you know, all over that him when he was at the podium. But I was able to get it into their GM and he said that we haven't made a decision on the fifth year option. That's not really something that we're thinking about right now. Case closed, which tells me. I don't know.

I think that they were a little bit on the fence about they have less than two months to make it. If they're not thinking about it, that tells me that it's not that they don't plan on being the ones making day. He mentioned that he was happy with the way that Judy finished the season last year, so that it wasn't necessarily a shot at Judy not performing or something like that, but it wasn't a ringing endorsement about him being a future Bronco. Let me put you that

way again. Eight five five, Pats five hundred if you want to call in Patriots at web radio dot com. And I mean, we can just kind of do a proSP back free for all here. But Evan, the other news of the day obviously the meetings, and really the last two days, I get, let's just go chronologically with this.

I guess Patriots met with two of the top edge rushers in this class, Guy and Tyree Wills or you know, this is what the players told the media, Tyree Wilson, who's projected to be a top ten, if not top five pick. So I don't know, maybe that's a little a little bold. And then Lucas van Ness from Iowa who's projected to go into twenties. So he's a possibility

very productive player. I will throw this out when it comes to the meetings Patriots met with I can't remember the exact number off the top of my head, at forty something, I want to say, forty two players last year. At least it was reported they probably met with some other guys and it never came out, but forty two reported draft meetings last year. The Patriots drafted two of those players. Now, they both turned out to be pretty good players, Marcus Jones and Jack Jones. But take all

of it with the grain of salt. Also, when it comes to the guys at the top, oh are they gonna trade up? They went to Trevor Lawrences pro day, And remember Trevilor Lawrence has like a separate pro day for everybody else at Clemson. So fact finding mission. Not only you're considering drafting these guys, but you might have to play against them too, So yeah, I think that's some of these are definitely about playing against, yeah guys potentially.

I would also wonder, you know, Tyree Wilson, his game is predicated on him being the strongest person on the field, and he's really a bull rushing, pocket denting, strange type of prospect where brick hands, long arms, heavy handed player.

If you look at the way that the league has drafted at that particular position, that edge rushing position, the guys that are more bendy, more explosive off the ball, you know, the Josh j types, if he will, those guys are trending upwards on the board because projecting into the NFL, most of the guys that rush the quarterback at a high level fit more in the UJ mold and fit in in the Tyree Wilson mold. So maybe the Patriots think that Tyree Wilson has a chance to fall.

I think that's possible, and I'll end this too. The Patriots generally go against that mold. They like a three down edge setting, disciplined defensive end. Yeah, so like and I think that he's somebody that they would see as a rock solid three four end yea in their system that can then kick out a little bit further or even kick inside potentially on like a passing down right. And I think that that's something that they couldn't really

look at now. Lucas Van nesse that I would not be on that big I'm just gonna flat out and say his makeup is fascinating, Like his entire like draft. If you were to open the folder and have all the notes, it's really interesting. So the two things that he's reminds me a ton. I think he's like the George Karloftist of this draft, exactly like that, except George Karloftis had started a game. Yeah, Lucas Vaness never started a game at Iowa. That tells you something. It does it.

I don't know what it means, but it tells you something that you need to dig a little bit into that well. And let me say this on that Iowa defense is heavily rotational, right, And I think they viewed him in a role and it was like he still played a lot. Yes, I actually it's it's humorous. I actually don't put a ton of stock into it because he was still on the field in every high impact situation, throw downs, red zone, all of that. He's he's like the sixth man that comes off the bench but is

in the game. Mon genobly right, he's Malcolm Brock. It's just Iowa football. It's just sort of goofy this year, and I sort of just as simple as it sounds, I sort of just chalk it up to that. I think the main the starting thing is just kind of like a funny little I had been But I think the main thing, I don't sorry one like I see some people lumping that in with like the evaluation on Zach Wilson not being a captain, right, it's different because

he still played. I actually think he was a captain. He might have been um, but it's not. It's not the same thing as the Zach Wilson thing. He did play five hundred eighty seven snaps last year even though he didn't start. It's exactly like we just were talking about. J might not play on first down, but he's playing on second and third down, depending on the down and distant situation obviously, but you know that that rough sort

of outline. Now. The one thing I didn't like about van Ness when I watched him on film is he's a one trick pony. He's a bull rusher, he's a power, speed to power guy. I didn't see a ton of plan or like counters to his game, and I think he's got one move and in the league you need to have one move that you can be a foundational

move of your game. Then you need to have a counter, and then you probably need to have a counter to the counter, right, I think, really, to be a very good NFL pass rusher, you need three moves and this guy only has one. So that means that you have to add two more to his toolbox to get him well rounded enough to be a double digit, you know,

sixty five plus pressure type of guy. And if you're driving that guy in the first round, that's what you want him to eventually be, right, I mean, you're not driving him in the first round to not be super productive. So I don't love Vaness. The one thing and then we can move on from van Ness. That I wonder is he went against Scronsky a ton he and he

owns Scronsky. He did, so I wonder in that meeting, I would love to know if they asked him about Skronsky at all and the matches against him and what worked against him and what didn't work against him, and Mate used it as I asked him about Scronsky, so I would be so he said that, you know, he was one of the best players he went up against

all the time. He said that they actually go all the way back to high school football against one another, and they they've been playing against one another for eight years. And he said that every time they played at Northwestern, he circled him. You know, that was the guy that all the coaches had circled and for the defensive line. And he said that he's a baller, you know, he's a guy that was the toughest guy he had to face every single year. So I don't think he was

too I was. He was very complimentary of Scronsky's game. But I'd be fascinated to see if teams are asking him like the Patriots. Oh, you can totally use players to scout other players. Yeah, that's a thing. Um. All right, we'll go chronologically. So the first meeting today Patriots met with Jake Moody. I still think kickers didn't play. I think kickers really play. But I'll say this because people always send me their mock drafts. I appreciate the people

to it. I know I can't reply to all of them, but I see them, might look at them. I might have something coming to reply to those in the coming weeks. Stay tuned. I know people send them to you two, Evan, and we did this last year. We've done this the last couple of years. It's always that one kicker punch we're all excited about, and everybody just throws him at the end of their mock draft, Right, Jake Moody's not gonna be there at the end of the end of

the draft. It's probably a fifth round guy, maybe fourth round if a team gets really bold. Sometimes you see kickers moving in the fourth round. This is a guy that was the National kicker of the Year in twenty twenty one, the Big Ten kicker of the Year in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. I mean, they're gonna have if they want a draft him, they have to go and get them. They can't just wait for him. But they met with him again after working with him

at the Trine Bowl. Yeah, And I asked him about working with the Patriots coaching staff at the Trine Bowl and the one thing that he said that really stood out to him was that they were acting like he was already a Patriot in their approach to coaching him. And it wasn't. They weren't just going through the motions, you know, they were really coaching him, and I think

he appreciated that when we met with the specialist. And I'll admit that I was one of me and Mikey so are one of a handful of de generates that was in that conference center at eight thirty this morning. Most of the people were probably out at Prime forty seven or Kilroys until four o'clock in the morning last night and didn't make it until the corners started at nine thirty. It was a very small contingent in there, but by far the largest crowd and the number one

podium was Jake Moody. So Jake Moody got all sorts of attention. He was the guy in the room to talk to this morning among the specialists, so I think that he's going to get a lot of buzz. I agree with you. I had him in my mock draft, I think as a sixth round pick, and I said that was too low, too low. You were right, it was too low. I think he could sneak into the fourth round a team that really wants to draft him, that just doesn't want to lose him in the fifth round.

But he's I don't think Jake Moody's making it out of the fifth round, all right, and then I think this is one A lot of people were waiting for. The cornerbacks spoke after the specialists, all the defensive backs. Actually, right, it was safeties as well. Yeah, we didn't hear as much from the safeties in terms of Patriots related meetings or whatever. Right, but a number of the projected first round corners, and there are a lot of first round corners in this draft. But I'll just run through them

real quick and then we can react. Joey Porter of Penn State, Christian Gonzalez of Oregon, Cam Smith of South Carolina, Emmanuel Forbes junior f Mississippi State, and then a couple of Day two guys as well, Eli Ricks from Alabama and Jay Ward from LSU Evan. We gotta start though, with Joey Porter Jr. Because I've been big on this. I don't think they're gonna take him. They traditionally don't

take guys from Penn State. You know, there's the things Joey Porter Senior has said about the Patriots in the past. Maybe they hash it all out. Maybe that's what the meaning was, because I think he's the best corner in

the draft. He was very, very polished very impressive health court at his podium for about twenty minutes, answering questions not only from the Patriots continued out here, Alex, but also from the Baltimore contingent out here and about his father in the rivalry with the Ravens and things like that, and he gave great answers to all of it. He said to the Baltimore thing that that's his dad's problem, right, that's his dad's rival That's a great answer. It's not

nothing to do with him. He said to the Patriots question that he actually thinks that his father would be happy about him going to the Patriots because of Bill Belichick and the system defensively and the fact that he would probably thrive with those two things. So from a football perspective, I think that there's a lot to love about his makeup. He's very poised, confident. He didn't get up there and feel like he had to be this

like aggressive, raw, raw guy like his father. Right. He was his own person up there, and I would also he he reminded me a lot of Patrick Surtin a couple of years ago, whose father was, of course Patrick Curtin Senior in the NFL for a long time, and the way he approached the interview and his approaching this whole process, you can just tell that he's been coached off the field as well by his dad and brought along by his dad to be the best pro that he can be and set himself up to be drafted

as high as he can go. He mentioned that his parents sat him down last year. He wanted to come out early from Penn State, and his parents sat him down and said, you're not ready, Like maturity wise, you're not ready. He might be ready football wise, but you're not ready in terms of maturity. And he's that he took it hard that he was you know, he was upset that his parents didn't see his parents felt like he was still a kid right and needed to grow

up a little bit more. And he said he took it hard, but he went back to school and he said it was the best thing for him in the end, and he's really happy about it. The one thing I asked him about, we know you're big, we know your physical the wingspan, all that kind of stuff. What's like the one thing that's under you feel like it's being slept on about your game And he mentioned play speed and in straight line speed. He feels like he's going to run faster in the forty than people give him

credit for. So we'll see what he ends up putting up time wise. But my big picture thing as we go through these meetings with the corners, I've asked some people here what's the best position group in the draft, and a lot of people have said tight end, which is the consensus. I think a lot of people love this tight end class, but more and more people that you ask are saying corner. Yeah, And I think corner.

I had one person say to me that they think that twenty corners are going to go in the top one hundred of this draft I have, so I didn't include Slock corners when I did my breakdown, I didn't include Slock corners. I only did guy six, one and taller. I have fifteen corners in the top one hundred I have. It's a loaded group eight with first round great. I don't think all eight go in the first round, but I think some combination of those eight end up going

in the first round. This corner class is absurd, but so there are options. One guy we've kind of circled for the Patriots so I said, like Joey Porter, we've wondered this and that with the Patriots, consider him and they met with them. A guy I think a lot of people, myself included, you included, like for the Patriots, is Devin Witherspoon who So did he talk today? I didn't see anything now, so he was stuck at medical

I would has happened, okay in the past. It happened yesterday as well with a top prospect that didn't make it out. I can't remember who was. But it's not necessarily mean that they found something and they had to get him further time. Oh no, it's it's the whole process. I'm sure it gets backdrop. And his last name starts with a W. I bet they do it alphabetically, so

he's kind of at the end there. No, I could totally see that, right, So if he didn't talk, But just walking around the room today during the corner a couple of rounds of corners. The other thing that really stood out was how big all these guys are. Yeah, there all you know, obviously there are like the Travis Hodges to Jeez, much easier than you're making it. There aren't Travis Hobbs Thomason's there are Clark Phillips, who's a

little bit of a smaller Corner. But besides that, you're walking around in this room and these guys are big. I mean they're all big. Kiely Ringo, Joey Porter, Christian Gonzalez is is huge. I mean he's like six two gotta be six two two and pounds, A big, big kid. He was really impressive as well. He talked about a little bit about, you know, the different coverage styles that

Oregon played. I mentioned that press man was their base, but they had a lot of match zone as well in their system that they ran, and so he heated a little bit of both of those things. Him and Joey Porter Junior were the most impressive, both physically just looking at them and also in terms of the interviews. And I think both of them are going to be off the board quickly and potentially targets at fourteen for

the Patriots. I just quickly. I I don't really fully understand, and Alex, I think you agree with me on this. I don't really fully understand the pushback about corner in the first round from people that I sometimes hear when we bring it up the Patriots system, whether it's been ty Law, Derrel Reeves, keep to Leaves to fond Gilmore. They've won super bowl when they have a number one corner. And granted they've won super Bowls when they had Tom Brady too, But I'm just talking about it from a

defensive perspective. The Patriots want to play man to man. They tell us that all the time, and we talked to the coaching staff. They want to play man to man. And right now they have a handful of really solid, good corners, but they don't have any elite corners and they need for their system to thrive, that's what they need. And I hear a lot of two. Well, they're great at u DFA's they're grant at finding diamonds in the rough at that position. Why would you take one in

the first round? And there's some truth to that. J C. Jackson, Malcolm Butler, John Jones. But those are any of those guys number one corners, Alex like, are any of those guys number one corners? And the guys that are number one corners in the history of the Patriots, they've had to go out and pay a bag to in free agency to get them on the team or trade from

like to lead. So they've had to go to the veteran market because they haven't invested a top thirty two pick on a cornerback in the Belichick era besides Devin mcporty, who ended up being in safety. So they that premium talent is something that's important to their secondary and you only find that at the top of the draft, Like these udfas might be nice fines, but they're not number one cornerbacks. So my pushback on a corner at fourteen

would be two things. One, I just think the way they've operated the last couple of years, the biggest hole on the depth chart, regardless of position, The biggest hole on the depth chart is the first pick was quarterback in twenty one. It will because then it used the first round pick in twenty twenty was quarterback in twenty twenty one, and it was a guard last year. And by the way, there's a bolt when Matt grow stepped

into this new role that he's in. So maybe and if we think Matt GROW's gonna have a bigger role this year than maybe even more so and tackle right now is you look at it fill out the depth chart you can fill out the depth chart a corner. If they had a play game today, you can fill out the depth charted corner. Can't fill it out a tackle. You really can't do it. Not to be game ready anyway.

It's a fair point. And and the other thing I would add is, so you're talking about, all right, well, you can only get this kind of talent in the first thirty two picks, Evan, if this was I hate to do this because I think it's kind of a stupid argument, but it's the only way I can make the point. You just kind of have to be open minded and let me do this. Joey Porter Jr. Devin Weatherspoon are generational talents. Those two guys don't come along

in every draft. Two of them in one draft is absurd. Take those two guys out. Let's say this is some other draft, right, Derek, guys you can get who are some of the guys we think are in play it at forty six? Got like Tyree Stevenson, I got like Julie's Brents if he runs well from Maryland. I'm blanking on the name Deontay Banks, right, these are guys who Banks. Maybe it's a little bit of a stretch, for these are guys who are to be on the board of

forty six. Take Porter and Witherspoon out the generational talents. We're talking about those guys at fourteen, aren't we We're talking about those guys' potential top fifteen picks because that's their talent level. Them going in the second round is not dictated by how talented they are. Necessarily it is to an extent, obviously, because I don't think they're on the level of Porter or Witherspoon. But in most drafts, a player that talented is going to go in the

first round. It's just not in the case this year because the class is so loaded. So I think you can take a corner at forty six that you might get at fourteen in another year. So to say you can only find that kind of talent at fourteen, I think is it's an incomplete argument because you're not acknowledging the kind of talent that's in this class. Okay, so I'll give you that. I'll give you that. It can

be forty six. But I think that looking at these porners, talking to them, watching them on film before I got here, there's this is a draft where you got to take a corner in the first two rounds just because you gotta get you I'll even give you a top one hundred. I'll even give you top one hundred. Even sure, top one hundred, but you got to take one of these days. You have to take a bite at the apple and this. Yes, right, so hang on, great group. Sorry, it's to cut you

off there. It's tougher when we're not together in person. Let's do an exercise here. You said that twenty corners. Somebody thinks twenty corners are gonna go on the top one hundred, right, yes, all right, let's see. Let's see where the twentieth corner went last year? Should we do this? And kind of because I think this is a good

way to display it. There were four corners went in the first round five, six, seven, eight, nine through two rounds, ten, eleven, twelve through three rounds, So there were only twelve corners on the first two days last year. You're saying there's gonna be twenty in that range. We keep going thirteen, four, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen. The twentieth corner last year, Evan was Kobe Durant at a South Carolina state, was the second to last pick

of the fourth round, one hundred forty second overall. So again, think about that, that's the range the corners went in last year, basically four rounds. We're saying that the same number of corners in this class are going to go in half the time. Does that make sense? Yeah, as to like how good this class is we have And by the way, you wonder who corner twenty one was last year. Tariq Walling was Corner twenty one. It's the

first corner pick to the fifth round. So we have our guys, like I know, we both pretty much like Brand's, I like Banks from Maryland. I'm sure there's guys that you like as well that I'm not necessarily as highon. We haven't really talked to about Tam Smith Emmanuel Forbes though, where I think our two guys ms I'm starting to get very high on. I didn't do a ton of work on him early. He was kind of towards the bottom of my list, but I've started too, and he's

really impressive. So his technique is really raw. He's somebody that I think has a lot of technique work left to go, which is when I tend to watch these guys and try to rank them and things like that. I always I like the guys that are technically sad, right, the guys that are finished in that regard a little bit more so. He's a little bit overreactive at the line of scrimmage. He gets, oh get he opens up a little bit faster than you would like with fakes

and route releases and things like that. He overreacts a little and he gets a little bit grabby, and his transitions at the top of the router are not as smooth as some of the other guys. So those are some of the things I saw on film with him. But I'm I'm kind of in the minority. I think

with him. I think that a lot of people really like him, and to the point where if he tests welled his weekend and I might need to go back and rewatch the film and see what I didn't see the first time, because there's a lot of really positive reviews about him, and he's supposed to test pretty well. I think the one thing is is that he has great stats, like his ball production was, It's not just great.

And this is where I want to jump in he had fourteen picks in three years and sell all I had last year alone six picks or sorry, ten pass breakups, six picks. Three of those were picked sixes. So I went back and watched all of his interceptions from last year, and I hate to do this too, but like something, a lot of them are pretty flukey, like you know the one that everybody posts and when he jumps the screen.

But isn't there something to be said for being in the right place at the right time at that position. There is? But like I need guys that can cover down the field. So here here's what I'd say. Sorry to keep cutting you off, but I think we're going in the same direction. I basically want to make the point before you do. I don't think he's I don't think he's like a lockdown like Stefan Gilmore, Terrell Reeva's

kind of corner. He's a ball hawk. The question is is he j C. Jackson or is he Trayvon dis Yeah, that that's I think affair. I think Trayvon Diggs is probably the guy that he's hoping to become in the league. That that's that's a decent comparison. I just think, well, Trayvon Diggs. First of all, he took another step forward last year for Dallas and has really become a very good mayor corner, you know, a good shadow of corner now.

So he's somebody that I think is really elevated. Past is the ball hawking and the jac Jackson, you know, Asante Samuel type of corner. I don't know. I just didn't. I saw some some stuff on film with Emmanuel Forms. I wasn't too crazy about technique wise, like I've had just mentioned, and a lot it go. I can actually watch some of the interceptions that he had last year. How much of those are were right place, right time versus This was just a great rep by the corner.

And I think that if you're a team and you're looking to translate to the next level, you have to be focused a little bit on the second thing. Great rep by the corner, not necessarily oh you know, he jumped a screen pass and will leap his throat right to him. That was the one against Kentucky, I think is the one that gets circulated a lot it. Remember the pick six that Kyle Dugger had in Vegas his

past season. It's the same exact play and but that's a play the Patriots are gonna love because how did Dugger make that play? He told us he saw the look on film and he knew to be ready for it. That's what they want. I guess. I just I don't know. I'm not trying to bash him. Camp Smith is the other one too that I think is somebody that's going to get drafted early, top fifty, top sixty type of player. A lot of people have him as the lock first rounder,

so you're run him than most. He's really physical, a really good in press man coverage. I'll tell you the reason why I wasn't and I asked him about it because I was just curious. The reason why I wasn't super high on him is because of his game against Jalen Hyatt against Tennessee, where I'm gonna just he was afraid. He was afraid, like he was afraid to get in Jalen Hyatt's face and really challenge Jalen high coming off

the line of scrimmage. He played eight yards off of him the entire game, and in the end, I think the South Carolina's defense got what they wanted, which was Hyatt had to sit every route down underneath the defense and really didn't get vertical too much on him like

he had in previous games. But when I see that, like, I want if I'm drafting a corner early, and I want that alpham mentality, like I don't care that you're the favorite to win the bullet and a cough, I'm gonna get in your face and I'm gonna take you out of this game. Playing eight yards off and letting him catch a six yard hitch against you every single time. That doesn't take anything right, like like a lot of guys can do. So that was sort of where I

was with Campcer. He mentioned the option route to that Tennessee ran all the season long, where it's a conversion. They let Jalen Hyatt decide. If it's off coverage, he's gonna sit it down. If it's man, he's gonna run a de vertical right, and they were trying to get him to convert it to sit down. He didn't want

Jalen hya to get up the field on them. I would have liked to have seen them let Cam Smith, who I think is one of the more physical corners in this draft, actually get in his face and challenge and they didn't really do any thoughts on any other corners they talked. I think we touched on everybody. We didn't get to Christian Zalez, and then any thoughts on the day two guys, Eli Ricks, Yeah, yeah, So I mentioned Christian Zalez a little bit off the top. I

thought he was really impressive on film. I think the one thing that you look out with Christian Gonzalez, I think out of any of the guys in this draft, he's the most scheme versatile player at the position in the draft where you can play a man man match zone all across the board, right you just he can

do all of it. And I don't know if some of these guys that we're talking about are very scheme specific players and if they fit the scheme for the Patriots, and that could end up being a home run pick. But I think Christian Gonzalez is the one guy that's

that's fluid. He can do everything, and that's I think gonna be something that I believe it's going to be more and more prevalent with the Patriots as it's been more and more prevalent with the entire league, which is you've got to be able to spin the dial on these quarterbacks like these Josh Allen's Patrick Mahomes is Burrows. If you just sit in there and we still remember this all the time, Alice with Brady right, and we're just sit in the same coverage all game long, He's

gonna pick you apart. So the Patriots have played more split safety, they've played more zone recently, and I think a guy like Christian Gonzalez fits in that ability to do it all. And I think that was one of the things we were talking about when I was asking

him some questions. Was just he mentioned that press Man was Oregon's bread and butter, but I had seen on film him make some really good pass offs in zone and had showed great awareness and zone coverage as well, And I think that that's something that he feels like he can do pretty good too. So I don't know. I think Christian Gonzalez might end up being the first corner taken in this draft, especially after he tests this weekend.

But I really am very high on him for the Patriots, and I think he's the number one for me for the Pats because of that ability. I think Joey Porter Junior can play man and probably cover three at a high level. I think Christian Gonzalez can play any coverage scheme at a pretty good level. Any thoughts on the

Day two guys warder Rick so Rix. We had Mike Rodak, I'm sure you remember him on from on our podcast on the on the round Up today on Patriots Unfiltered that you can check out on Patriots dot com, and he had mentioned that he had a Ricks had a lot of he transferred right from LSU, and he said that he had a lot of problems picking up Nick Saban's playbook that he really struggled with that Saban was

open about it. Ricks was open about it. So when he transferred from LSU, everybody at Alabama thought that he was going to be a Day one immediate starter and contributor in their defense and a star in their defense, and was supposed to be a first round pick. He was a consensus preseason All American like all of those types of things, and it didn't work out at Alabama

as well as any everybody had hoped. So maybe he's a guy that third fourth round you take a chance on a little bit, but because of the ability, you end up getting a really good player. I'm not sure if they're how they're going to view though that he couldn't pick up Saban's playbook. I think that's gonna be a little bit concerning. And then the one other meeting today, so this was reported. He hasn't spoken yet. He'll speak

on tomorrow. Right, is Anthony richards Yes, Anthony Richardson from Florida. I am personally infatuated with Anthony Richardson as a football player because all right, Evan, what what's the word I use to describe Josh Allen? A raddick? Anthony Richardson makes Josh Allen look like uh, precision scientific instrument? What right? And that's not necessarily a knock. I think Richardson's highs

are higher than Allen's, but his lows are lower. He is, I mean in terms of the physical talent, the arm strength, the his ability to run the ball, his ability to break tackles in the pocket, the way he trust his arm. I mean high, high, high level stuff. But it's not that's when he's on and it's not always there. I mean, he could throw five touchdowns and he gave me throw five picks in a game like you don't know going in if he ends up in the right situation, he's

gonna be a top three quarterback in the league. But if he doesn't end up in the right situation, it could go south pretty quickly. He with all of that, there's enough to like that. I think he goes in the top ten. Most people have him as the fourth quarterback. I have him third. I'm am ahead of Levis. I do. I think the Patriots are legitimately interested. I don't think that they're moving up to take a quarterback. In the track. They're gonna have to move up again him. He's not

gonna be there fourteen. But what I do look at when I look at potential fits for Anthony Richardson, the Colts are going to be up there. They need a quarterback. They're on the Patriots schedule next year. The Washington Commanders, it would be tough for them to move up that far, but they could. They need a quarterback. They're on the Patriots schedule next year. The New Orleans Saints might be in the mark for a quarterback. They're on the Patriots

schedule next year. The New York Giants, depending on what happens with Daniel Jones, might be looking to draft the quarterback, and by the way. I don't think there's a better place for Richardson to go than the Giants with Brian day Ball, who maximized Josh Allen. And also how about Josh McDaniels. He just let his quarterback go. They're on

the Patriots schedule next year. Talked about this earlier, Evan, getting to know players you're gonna face as much as getting no players you might drafting who to pick before the Patriots. Oh, that's true. Even that you're right, I'm so like mentally locked into them and Rogers. You're right the Jets. Yes, the Jets would be very interesting. Lands up signing Derek Carr to a two year contract and then they draft Anthony Richardson at thirteen. That's kind of

scar signing Jimmy Garoppolo. That's less scary if they If they signed Jimmy Garoppolo, Richardson will be a starter by the end of the year. But your point stands, Yeah, I think so interesting they met with him, tremendously interesting player. I think they're trying to get to know a future opponent more than they're getting no a guy they diligence. I agree. So I think the cool thing about Anthony Richardson on film, and I'm a huge Anathany richards Richardson

a fan. Yes, we both thought, let's make that clearer, we both are big fans of his. I don't know if I'm going to do a real deep dive into Anthony Rigson's tape Anthony Richardson's tape, but from what I have seen of him, I think the one thing that stands out, you don't want to watch his tape just because again, he's like such an electric player. I feel like he'll just be a fun breakdown to do. I guess you can do that before they play him this year.

So the big thing and I see with him on film no, is that it's not it's not a lack of cerebral news like he's got. No, it's not he's got processing skill, he's got a manipulation from the pocket, he's got he's a quarterback, like he understands how to play quarterback. He's got a mechanical flaws that lead to accuracy and ball placement issues he doesn't have. It's not decision making right. It's not like poor processing or poor

coverage reads and manipulation. It is purely a mechanical issue, right, And as we evolve as a football COGNIZENTI I think we are recognizing more and more that you can teach accuracy. That used to be the old The old trope was that you can't make a quarterback accurate. Right, That's one thing that he's If a quarterback is an accurate entering

the NFL, he's always going to be an accurate. And I know that Josh Allen is maybe not like you shouldn't just put all your eggs in one player's development's basket. But I think more and more what we're seeing is quarterbacks entering the league that have improved accuracy over time with mechanical work. I think quarterback coaches, like obviously the great Tom House or Jordan Palmer at Quincy Avery, I think they're a part of it in the off season that they take these guys in and they train them

all off season long on footwork and lining up. I always say beat himps, shoulders, head, right, like those are the points everything needs to be in cohesive and lined up correctly to have a good throw. And I think that these code quarterbacks coaches are really working on all that stuff. So if we're a team in the top ten of this draft that needs a quarterback, you can fix Anthony Richardson. He is fixable because he has a cerebral ability to play the quarterback and obviously the playmate.

So I think there is a lot of fixable things about his game and teams are going to really gravitate. But again, you actually have to do it. It's not automatically gonna happen. And that goes back to my point of he's got to go to the right spot. If he goes to a place with bad coaching, like you look at what happened to Trevor Lawrence right a year ago, it's got to be a team that knows how to fix them, which again is why I look at like the Giants would be a fit, The Raiders would be

a great fit. We saw what McDaniels did with Mac. Obviously some of these other teams were the coaching is a little more shaky, or maybe it's mostly defensive coaches on the staff. I don't know. I look like, you know, I brought it up, but I look at it team like the Jets. You're Anthony Richardson, and you saw what that regime did to Zach Wilson exactly. I don't think you're bullish about going to the Jets. I mean that's fair. But also how much of that did Zach Wilson due

to himself a little bit? But now they have na Daniel Hackett all right running their offense. He's the offensive. Yeah. No, see, I might feel a little better about it, actually hack it after what he did in Denver, worked in Rogers, he worked, Ye, that's fair. I look at more like the Colts who had what like four coaches in five years or something like that. Stikeens like this. You know, he's the McVay. You know, Cliff King's very model, right,

you know he's how's that going? Yeah? So I don't know. I just he's just fascinating. He's fascinating. He is. And I agree with you on him with Will Levice, like I take him over Will Levis. I personally, what are you hearing about Will Levice? There mixed reviews, Like I think some people are less high on him than than the media, and then some people are mel kiper right, who are they think that he's a lock? Top ten you know, maybe even number one quarterback type of guy.

I think that the guy that I think is the most polarizing here other than Richardson, has gotta be Bryce Young. But I would also say that CJ. Stratt is pretty polarizing right now as well, because it's not a great quarterback class and we're forcing these guys to the top. Also, I don't think Young's polarizing. I think we just don't have his measurements yet. Once we get his measurements, answer, I think CJ. Stroud a lot of the things that

you hear about CJ. Stratt is touch thrower, right, He's more of like a touchthrower than a real velocity guy, and is at velocity there, and he just didn't he didn't use that pitch as often as as the touch throws or what's the case there. I think you here's some of that. I think you also hear some of Marvin Harrison Junior and the offensive weapons that he had around him at the receiving position, just and the fact that he is protected by maybe two of the best

tackles in the draft. He had a nice situation and didn't always live up to it last year until maybe the playoff game. So I think there's some, you know, question marks about all of these guys. I guess it's the best way to put it. But if you're going to take a chance on anybody, I definitely think that the more and more you talk to people and sort of listening and things like that, Anthony Richardson is the chance guy. Like, that's the guy that everybody has one

hundred percent bought in. And if you're going to take a tent a little bit, you're willing to take a little bit of a chance at the top of the draft. It's more in a little bit. It's more in a little bit, but it's a quarterback. But yeah, yeah, I'll just say this with Levis. And by the way, my bold prediction is that assuming he checks out physically and like he's ready to go for the start of the season, by the time he gets a draft night, Hendon Hooker

is going to have passed Will Levis. That's my bold prediction. I guess it depends about the medicals. So that's what I'm saying. If the medicals check out, I just I look at Levis because there's the reason I asked you what people think he didn't throw the ball a ton at Kentucky. That was a very, very run heavy offense and not necessarily him running the ball. He ran for three hundred yards two years ago. Last year they really only used him on kneel downs. He finished with negative

one hundred rushing yards. When he factor in sacks the way college football does it, his touchdown at interception ratios less than two to one. He only threw the ball two hundred and eighty three times, which the Falcons draft and we have another twenty eight three reference. But like he doesn't handle pressure well, I'm still struggling to see just like what his carrying trade is other than he has a big arm. Or is this just Josh Allen hype run totally out of control? Yeah, no, that that

is the and if that's the case. If that's the case, Richardson is much better physical tools than he does. Why is the Richardson projected higher. I don't think that there are very many people outside of maybe like the big Jay draft analysts that have him higher than Richardson at

this point. I think they're the Kuypers and the mcshays of the world are going to have him above Richardson because of that just just who they are, you know, they're they're I won't get into that, but that I think they're gonna have it above above Richardson with Levis, But I don't know. The people that I talked to um are not in that camp. Let me put you that way. I think everybody here really likes Aanthonyson. So we'll see what ends up happening with the quarterbacks. Again.

You know, the Patriots are not in the quarterback market. The Patriots are not in the quarterback market. I know some people want them to be in the quarterback market, but the Patriots aren't in the quarterback market. Maybe maybe they're in on a fourth round guy. I could see that they have a couple picks in the fourth round,

so they have some extra ammo there. Maybe they use it to take a flyer on somebody on a your guy from b BYU for example, or Jared Hall, or maybe a little bit later in the draft on Day three they take a DTR or something like that, just to have somebody else in the pipeline. But when when you go back and look at it, and this is what I think people need to realize that the whole quarterback thing as well. Everybody points to the Eagles as this model of don't don't settle, right, they didn't settle

on Carson Wentz. They still took Jalen Hurts in the second round, and look at what it did it MVP candidates, Super Bowl appearance with Jalen Hurts. Right. Carson Wentz was drafted in two thousand and sixteen. Jalen Hurts was drafted in two So we're talking about the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts two off seasons from now in the Patriots timeline, it's not and the other is not necessarily about that.

It's a bad approach. It's just too early, like it's too early in Mac Jones's career to be to be you shouldn't be giving Mac Jones more tools and his tool about not using a pick on his backup quarterback. I understand the thought process, but we're just too early in Mac Jones's rookie contract to be doing this. And the other thing is all right, So they drafted Jalen Hurts in the second round, all right, So go draft

a second round quarterback. He'll turn into Jalen Hurts. Don't you think of every second round quarterback turned into Jalen Hurts. The entire second round would be teams taking quarterbacks. It's not a guarantee that a Jalen Hurts type player is there. I think this year, especially in a weak quarterback class, that guy's not there. So it's it's a bit of a logical foula see to me, I think we got

to everything, Evan. I know we did a full combine preview last week, but as the workout to get underweight here momentarily anything specific, you're now like even more excited for having been there. I do think this cornerback room is good. This group of corner's gonna put on a show tomorrow. I don't know about today. I'm interested to see some of these end rushers and maybe some of the off ball linebackers like you know, Drew Sanders or

your guy Henry Toe to Noah Sewell from Oregon. Interesting to see if any of these guys have have some rare, freaky athleticism. But it's not a great linebacker class. The guy it's gonna be st to Marvin Overshow, he didn't even say yeah, but you know he's he's I don't know what he weighed in at today. Maybe I think those are gonna come out here short at least, and

maybe we'll see um. But I just I mean more of like a guy that weighs like two forty plussing can move right, you know, somebody like that, because they're not gonna draft two hundred and twenty five pound line They're just not. So maybe it's somebody like I think Sanders is probably two thirty five, two forty. If he's a really good athlete like Jack Campbell from Iowa, maybe he kind of is like the Leoshan Hall of this

draft class, I think. And maybe he's somebody that has a really good workout and moves up the board a little bit. I don't love the linebacker class, but I understand that that need has been pushed down the list because a I think we're all sick and tired of wanting it and not getting it. And I think the other thing is that, you know, these other needs are just more pressing at more premium positions at this point.

But I think linebacker, off ball linebacker, maybe maybe they take an Ivan Paste from Cincinnati or something like that too, as someone that they can get that has a little bit of speed and explosiveness. So we are getting some measure mints in now. I want to see before we end this if overshoons have come in. Does look like they're doing defensive lineman first, so maybe not. I love. By the way, there's two guys named Byron Young in this draft, and teams have to like differential, people have

to differentiate which one. What are the odds that, like a team accidentally drafts the wrong buyer and Young because it's supposed to go in the same range in the draft too, It's definitely possible. Okay, it doesn't look like no, it wouldn't happen. Uh, it doesn't look like we have overshown yet. We do have Andre Carter six six and a half two fifty six, so he's put on a little bit away. Yeah, we'll see about him. We'll see an interesting player. All right. Oh, that's gonna do it

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