Patriots Catch-22 2/23: Position-by-Position NFL Scouting Combine Preview

he turns him out. The problem is is he's a freaking guard. Two. There we go. I still don't think your micson. I think there. All right, We're good, We're good. It's okay, all right, we're in Matt behind the Glass. Got a lot going on today. We understand and still love Cody Mock, but we're not gonna do Cody Mock today. Today is a big show. We're gonna preview the NFL

Combine coming up next week in Indianapolis. I will be going to the combine with Deuce with Mike Dusseau at Patriots dot com and we'll be covering it there for Patriots dot Com all week long, and we'll do a Catch twenty two as well. Alex will be here in studio, he'll drive the ship and I'll call in and we'll do a Catch twenty two with me and Indy next week, so we'll still have the show. So I'm really looking forward to it. I love the Combine. The Combine is

my favorite NFL event on the calendar. Big underpants Olympics guy. I love the Underpan's Olympics, but I really like getting to talk to the prospects and the interviews. I think that's really cool. This is not to throw shate at the Shrine Bowl, but we get the first round guys in this right, so we get the top of the of the top, the cream of the crop come to

the Combine. I also really just love I love the idea of this being like NFL spring Break, where every single decision maker in the league is in one place for a week. You just want to go rob Elbos. You just want to feel famous. Of course, that's all it is. Of Course, Evan doesn't like the Combine for the football. He just wants to feel like a big shot. To be honest with you, the combine really isn't about

the football in some respects. A lot of the deals that get done in the off season start at Saint Elmo's at two o'clock in the morning when everybody's had a few too many. Like that's just the bottom line. It's absolutely true. I'm gonna need this little bit clipped. So when Evan texts me next week and it's like, I can't believe him on the road again, I can't believe I'm traveling that, Like, I can just reply to him with this, No, the combine. I don't get like

that about the combine. Combines great US, It's draft, it's football. It's obviously going and getting some shrimp at Saint Elmo's and maybe you see Andy Reid sitting at the bar eating a cheeseburger, Like that's what the combine's all about. You just want to feel like a big shot. You can go and sit in the lobby of you know, the JW and entire every GM al thirty two of them are gonna come walk and buy at some point. That's the combine, Hollywood. Evan just wants to star watch that.

You're not wrong. You look at you just you never know you never know who you might bump into, You never know who you might walk by, and then all of a sudden you have a conversation. And even if it doesn't come to anything, even if you don't learn anything, at least you got in front of that person, right, You got a face to face with somebody important. It's cool. So here's why I like to combine. We do. And by the way, you can do this not having to

be they're not having to go reb elbows. We talk about all these projections, right and the board looks like this, and this guy's projected to go here. But we do that now because it's what we have. You don't get the first real like so much can change with combine. Yes, that first, those first mocks coming out of the combine, that first projected board after is when you really start to get a good idea of who's going to go.

Where there are players right now that realistically one person could project to go in the first round, one person could project to go in the third round, and both like there's a case for both. There's some positions where the top three four five players you can stack up in any order with those five, and there's an argument for all of it, we really start to sort some

of that out. Like you said earlier, consensus after this is right, especially a lot of these top guys, they don't go to the Senior Bowl to Shrine Bowl, any of them, right, Right, We've talked about this with the tackles. We don't know what this tackle group is going to look like. The receivers too, And we'll get into some of this as we go throughout the show, right, But we're actually going to get to start to kind of

sort some of these things out. And how many times we said, well we'll see about this at the Combine, or we'll see about that at the combine or arm length or forty time. I'm very excited to put those qualifiers to the side and actually get that information. Yeah, it's a great point, and that's what I'll be doing. Well, you're trying to, like, you know, follow any read into an elevator, So peak following Andy read into an elevator.

I'm sure you remember this. My very very first year at the Combine, I flew out on the very last day. I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't know that you could leave early, right, I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know that you didn't have to be there for all eight days or whatever it is, because I had no idea what I was doing.

So I was there the whole time. I took the very last flight on Sunday night after everything was over, out of Indianapolis to Boston, and everybody besides Bill Belichick from the Patriots organization was on the plane with me all the everyone. Weren't you like sitting next to Ernie at the gate. Yeah, Ernie Adams was just sitting there at the gate, and I asked him one question. I didn't want to overstep, right, so I went up to him and said, hey, Ernie Evan Lazar. You know where

I worked at the time. And I said to Ernie, what's the combine like for you? Like, what is that? And he said to me that it's a fact finding mission. That this is nothing to do with We've already done tape, we've already done evaluations, we've already done all that. But it's medicals, it's interviews, and it's really filling out the scouting report and finalizing and crossing teas and dotting eyes and getting to know some of the kids a little bit more. That you maybe don't know very well yet

and that sort of thing. So along those lines, I think, so that's why I said, and I was half joking about about the bar, but the medicals and the interviews, the meetings, I should have brought that up to Seeing who's meeting with who is also a big thing, especially for I think we both have players in this draft that we like that for one reason or another, the

meetings are going to be very important. Exactly, and those medicals, right, A lot of these kids are I keep saying that, like I'm a ninety A lot of these guys are coming off of Hey, they're just kids, man. At that reference, you don't watch college football. A lot of these guys are coming off season ending injuries, nagging injuries, some of them opted out of bowl games due to quote unquote injuries. Right, So you got to learn a lot of that type

of stuff too. But I think also for us, and then I want to get into the actual part of the show we want to do here. I think for us, we I wish I had Zebra technology and all that type of stuff where I got the next gen miles per hour on every wide receiver, but we don't necessarily have that, So I think forty times can really solidify a guy. Okay, this guy's fast, right like Zay Flowers, we all think he's fast. Yeah, is he? Does that

get confirmed in the forty yard dash? Does a guy run a lot faster or slower in the forty yard dash? And maybe you were expected? Let the kid go back and watch when I give you a couple of examples. And it can also be by the way he says a Flowers is fast, Jordan Habits is also fast? Who's faster? Last year, Taekwon Thornton was Some people had him like fifth round was the highest I saw him. Some people

had him going undrafted going into the combine. Yeah, maybe some people want to say the Patriots overdrafted him at fifty, but he was expected to be a top one hundred pick. He went from friends draft to top one hundred pick. Then there was David Bell from Perdue, remember him, who was the first everybody had him as a first round pick. Some people had him as their top wide receiver on the board. He ended up going He ran a bad forty end up going in the third round, and some

people thought that was too high for him. So that's not gonna be every player, but there's gonna be a handful of players we like who are gonna fall way down after this. And there's gonna be some players either And you remember this, I was in on tai quad before the Combine. There's gonna be a handful of players. Why do I always have to do that? I don't have I don't have the fifty thousand Twitter followers and the New England Patriots behind me like Evan Lazard does,

so I have to make sure I get my message out. Wow. Anyway, the point being, there's gonna be some players we really like, and maybe right now we have an idea of who some of those guys might be who are gonna fall way down in the rankings, and we're gonna think a lot less of coming out of this as football players. And maybe there's some guys that either that either we don't think highly of right now, we aren't even on

our radar, that are gonna shoot up. Pierre Strong was a guy last year, Isaiah Pacheco, both of them, neither of them were really on my radar going into the combine. They tied for the fastest forty art dash and then you know, you start to look and it's like, hey, there's actually something here. Yeah, so the board's gonna change. It's all about confirming your priors or not confirming your priors, right, Like, that's that's what the combine is for for for people

like us especially. I think teams nowadays. The reason why I brought up like Zebra and next gen and all that kind of stuff is because I think teams nowadays have that type of data where maybe they rely more on in game speed data than forties. But I still think the forty matters, and I still think that the combine matters as a whole, is an important part of this whole process. I think there's an element of you always here. It's the most important job interview right of

their lives. Maybe he's fast, but like this thing's clearly important. Did he get himself ready for it? How seriously did he take this? It's not just that he's fast, it's that he got himself in position best time. Let's face it, nobody is going out on a football field and running a three code, right, So that's a skill that you train for leading up to the combine, and you have to learn it to a degree, right, You have to learn the technique, and you have to learn the best

ways to run it. So can you pick that up quickly? Can you grasp things quickly? Can you move that way?

All those things I think are part of it. I know I've heard guys after their rookie year where you know, we'll talk to guys be like, well, what are you looking forward to like this offseason your sophomore year, and they'll say, well, I'm actually looking forward to working on football this offseason right right, because they spend so much time going into their rookie year getting ready for the Combine that they're maybe not even working on their football technique.

So I think we should be spokespeople for the combine because the NFLPA is pretty strongly starting to think that they don't need them. Hang on, but we just laid down the law and why the comments, they'll still be the meetings there. They'll still be those meetings and let's say where some company met, all right? So well, I also have my spiel about the forty yard dash. Do you know why they run the forty yar dash? You know why it's forty yards? Yeah? You told me this

once before. You don't remember, do you? All right? Well, since we're doing the combine, Susan and I want everybody to remember this when you're watching the combine. I think I could remember all the useless crappy and I'll shout out Zach Hawks from nesson because he's the first person I've ever seen use the forty yard dash, actually, as it's supposed to be used during this season two about

can you we don't have that time. That's true, we don't um When they started a combine, the average distance of a punt was forty yards. The whole point of the forty yard dash was simply to see how fast guys can get down field to cover a punt. Your guy, Michael Turkin punted further than forty yards. Well, it's not nineteen sixty dash. I'm just saying maybe they should maybe, But like that's all it is. Like people ascribe so much meaning to it. It's how fast can you get

downfield and cover a punt? Essentially, And if you want to make anything more of it, you can, But that's all it really is. Okay, so here's what we're gonna do today. We'll take some calls to eighty five five pats five hundred and takes some emails as well. But the crux of the show here today is that we're Alex and I are going to go a position by a position guy. Is that we want to see? Are looking forward to seeing an indie next week at the

combine most interesting, most interesting, most intriguing. One player per person or doing one player per person, because we'll be here for five hours if we go more than one. You do you have your preview up yet? No? Up on Monday. Mine's gonna be up on Monday too. One per person and like we can fill in some holes elsewhere to get some other names in there, but one year person. Yeah, let's start with let's start with the sexiest position, the one that everybody likes to talk about,

wide receiver. Who are you looking forward to seeing at wide receiver? And why? Honestly, it's so I'm looking forward to see whok Seawn Boutet meets with. But in terms of the combine the drills, it's Quentin Johnston. Because what's he gonna run six, four, two fifteen. I have people telling me that he's this like elite, true number one generational prospect and the Patriots a draftsman at fourteen. Well, here's the thing if he runs a really people tell

me he's going to run in the four fours. Yeah, if he runs in the four fours, he's not gonna be there. At fourteen, he's gonna be a top two pick. Right. So Calvin Johnson ran like a four to three at two thirty, and that's like the gold standard of a freak. DK Metcalf I think was two twenty eight and ran like a four three five. Christian Watson I don't think was that heavy. Now he's like two and he's closer

to Johnson at like Johnson two fifty. Yeah, So Christian Watson, I feel like, is the he's a little bit trimmer than a guy like DK or or Calvin was. So maybe that's sort of the comp here. And I think, what was Watson like mid four threes? Do you really think he's running low? Four? Four? No? Do? And the reason why yeah, no, no, And at that point I'm not interested. As we've said, they need to see the reason why. I don't think I don't think he's a

four to five. I think he's I think he's four four eight is what I'm gonna say, Like right there, I think the reason why he's that is. From what I see is he's more of one of those guys that's a builder of speed, right, Like he's got that those long strides and he builds up his speed as he goes. I don't necessarily look at him on film and see a guy that's just instantly out of the gates, right.

And if you're gonna put up a time in the forty, you have to that ten yards split is really what you need to hit a low number on right, You have to really be moving early on. So I think that he's more of a builder of speed and someone that gets up to eighteen nineteen twenty miles an hour once he's in the open field, but might not get

there instantly like as a Flowers for example. For people who don't know, the ten yards split is in addition to the forty time, you see the times for each ten like at ten yards, at twenty yards, at how long as you're starting to get to each of this, how you come out of the blocks? All right? So wide receiver for me, it's Jackson Smith and Jake. But my guy, I think he's wide receiver one. I think he's gonna run faster than people think. You think he's

gonna run. I don't know if he's gonna run. That's the How do you think he's gonna run faster than people think? Is I think he will run either at his pro day or at the combat. Of course he's going to run. He's gonna run faster than people think,

all right. And the main reason why I feel this so strongly about this is because I think the reason why Jason look quote unquote slower on film to a lot of people is because he actually knows how to pace out his routes and he's not just coming out of the blocks at one hundred miles an hour because

he's setting up things right. He's running routes with good pacing, good timing, good rhythm, and good acceleration where he's got different gears, right, So, I think a big thing when you look about at wide receivers, it's not about running as fast as you can all the time. Sometimes you got to set things up. You've got to change gears mid route. When you get to the top of your route, that's when you really want to accelerate. And that's what I see from JSN. So I don't think that it's

that he's slow. I just think that he's running routes with pacing, with timing. The other guy that reminds me of that used to do this and everybody thought that he was going to be slower is Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson ended up running a four four three or four four two seventy six percentile in the fourtime. Everybody was shocked at the time because when you watch him at LSU, it looks like he's moving slow because he's deliberate with his movement. It's right, he's not just shot out of

a cannon. He's actually setting things up. He's pacing out the route, he's timing his route up with the quarterbacks drop and where he's gonna be in the landmarks and all that. That's PhD stuff, right, That's not guys that just come off the blocks and run one hundred miles an hour right off the gate, right out of the gate. That's that's not how you get open. That's not truly how you create separation real quick. Here for a wide receiver,

what do you consider fast for forty times? At what point are you like that guy's fast low four fours? It depends on how big you are, I suppose, But that's fair. My default. Like, once a guy hits four four three, I'm like, all right, he's fast. Yeah, I'm not saying now he runs a four four four is slow? But at four four three I don't know why that tenth of a second is that. I don't know what.

There's probably some psychology. Actually a hundredth of a second, right, it's not even a tenth of one hundred of Yeah, I don't know. Somebody could probably figure that out. Why I'm wired that way. I got like a C minus and ap sych in high school. So well, but this is this kind of segues into my next point nicely. So we do this. We like round numbers, we like certain thresholds. So the next position on our list was tackle or lineman. But I'm gonna say tackle because God

help us off. Oh I did. I did it like the mad in order of positions. Okay, now see how I'm doing it. I'm doing it as deeds are most important, dessitions or whatever. The next position we have on here is tackle because, like I just said, Lord help us off. I take another interior lignement early in this draft. No, you want Cody Mak, No, you want Cody mak, yes you do. We're gonna get to the guy that you've already convinced me on. All right, tackle, Yes, we will tackle.

Peter Scarronsky's my guy to look it for in this number one thing. I want to come out of the combine. And we have to wait. I got the schedule today, O line, don't measure in until Sunday. You gotta today. I got a couple of days ago. Well, I just like was looking out today a week from Sunday. So the very last day of the combine is when we finally get a measurement on Peter Skerronsky's arm lethe which is the most antiquated thing ever about the whole draft process.

But the bottom line is that if his arms come in under thirty three inches, everybody's gonna say he's a guard. Everybody is going to say he's a guard. No one's gonna have him at tackle anymore. He's gonna be a guard. And that's gonna be. That's it, right that that that's the end. Why thirty three inches, Like, if he's got thirty two and a half inch, ar can't play? Is that half an inch? Really? That's really where we're gonna

make or break it. Right That that part of it, to me, I think is funny, but I think it comes it's twofold. Right. One is I know that some people have Isaiah Win PTSD when it comes to this, and they don't want to draft a quote unquote undersized tackle, right all right. They want that prototype, they want those measurements. That I think is one part of it. Part two, the difference wins like six one Peter Scronsky six four right, No,

Peter Scronsky is not isah win? Yeah. Point two is that if he's gonna make it to fourteen, then the team thirteen teams ahead of the Patriots are gonna have to view him as a guard. For him to make it to fourteen. Well, it's it's a catch twenty two. If he did it again, I did it again. You're right. If his arms are long enough that he's definitely a tackle, then they're not getting him. And if he falls, it's

probably because his arms aren't long enough. But either like, even if his arms are long enough and team's view him as a tackle, that's still a win to me for the Patriots. Because I've said this. Broderick Jones, Paris Johnson, Dwan Jones, Peter Scronski just come away with one. I don't really care who's your guy. It's it's Brodert Jones. I thought it was Dawan Jones. I think Dwan Jones.

I went back and forth on this one. No, I think Dwan Jones is a better player, but I want I want the left tackle like that's no. I've been on this. I love Duwan Jones as a prospect, I really do. I wish Orlando Brown was going to be a free agent because then you can sign Orlando Brown or draft Duan Jones. But I just look at what's available to them. It's all right tackles in free agency. I could you move Dwan Jones to the left side, like maybe, but I don't really want to take that risk.

I don't want to screw with his development like that. So realistically, it has to be Broderick Jones. And look, I don't think Broderick Jones is settling. I think he's a great talent. That being said, he's my guy to watch here because he I don't think he's undersized, but he's definitely nobody's gonna say he's got great sized. Yeah, he's kind of sort of in limbo there. Yeah, I just want to see what he comes in at. It'd be nice if he maybe bulked up a little bit

since the season ended. And I think his athleticism is one of his best traits, so seeing how that tests, seeing his footwork. It's not really a time drill, but they do the thing where you're like, hold the football up and he got to run in the directions you know what Jones are all right, I'm interested to see him in that. So look, I want to see Dwan Jones dominant because that's all he does. And is he

gonna run a sub five we'll see. I called Jordan Davis last year, but Brodrick Jones is the guy for me to watch. But at the end of the day, like if Scronsky is gonna go in the top ten, I'm not gonna be super bummed because that pushes Roderick Jones down, or it pushes Paris Johnson down. If they have the draft, Like if Dwan Jones is the only guy left and that's who they end up with, not a bad consolation prize. You make it work, You keep Trent Brown on the left side, and you figure it

out from there. But yeah, I think it's as long as Scarnsky's arms are long, it's a win win for the Patriots, even if it puts him out of their reach. And I'm just laughing because I think it's so funny that that arm length is this important. But oh, the whole, the combines, hilario, it's ridiculous. The combine is objectively Rodrick Jones, though you mentioned it quickly there, his athleticism is his number one trait, his carrying trade, his number one trait,

and his entire being is upside like. That's like his whole thing. Right. He's a little bit raw. He's only played nineteen games. I think he's always started nineteen games at Georgia, so he doesn't have the experience like of a Scarnski, doesn't have the prototypical build of a Paris Johnson. So for him to be a SUREFI or top ten pick, he's gonna have to put on an absolute show in India this week. Of these, of those three, I think he has the highest up side. He does, but that's

that's his whole, that's that's the he's the upside tackle. Well, look, you're paying Adrian Clem a lot of money. Right, you know, well, go get him the upside guy. It's just interesting. You know, I was talking to Brandon Thorne, who does a lot

of offensive line stuff. He's awesome, he was he has Broderick Jones as his OT three in draft, and I think a big reason why is because somebody like Brandon sees it like a coach and sees all the technicalities of the game that Broderick Jones needs to refine on. You'll have a refinement on. And he looks at it and says, he's a he's a little bit of a project. But I think that you it's kind of like how

we talk about quarterbacks now too. Would you rather the guy that you're swinging for the fences and this guy could be an all Pro caliber, decade long type of player, or are you just going for the safer pick, which is scronsky, right, that type of guy that has all the technical refinement and all the polish. So it's an interesting conversation. All right, Uh, let's go through the rest of the offense here and then we'll take some calls

and we'll do defense. Um, let's go tight end. Yeah, I think this is a really interesting position for the Patriots. Going into this draft because we've talked about it a

little bit, I guess more so with slot receivers. But I still feel feel like if they if the Patriots feel like the best way to get a number one weapon is a tight end in this draft and they feel like Mayor or Kincaid or one of these guys is the best route, I'm I'm cool with it, Like Rob Bronkowski, Travis Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Like, bring it off. Any of those guys you just named first round picks. No Mark Andrews was actually wasn't he? No Mark Andrews

second round picks? So its Gronk, all right, So no, So maybe that's the case. Cronk, I know, was second right. I think okay, I knew his Day two. So regardless, like, if that's the round that they want to go and they want to build it through a tight end, I don't think that we should look at that as like

a bad thing. And I don't think that Hunter Henry and Johnny his presence on the roster should be viewed as we can't do it this way because we have these two guys under contract on the roster, especially when you look at their contract status and you know, Hunter Henry's going into a contract year. Johnny Smith is going into a third year where if they can get rid of them, they might or they could walk away from

his contract after next season. So I don't think that those two guys being on the roster should prohibit them from targeting a tight end if they feel like the tight ends the answer like, if he's gonna be I don't want to use Travis Kelcey or Gron because they're generational players, but if he's gonna be that for your offense, and I don't think you should have any questions about

going for that player. So I go to Mayor because when I watch him at Notre Dame, I don't necessarily see like a dynamic, explosive athlete, right Like, I don't know if he's got great straight line speed. He's a little bit heavy footed coming into the break. He's not he's not explosive, he doesn't jump off the film in that regard. He's really really refined, polished guy. He's versatile, he can block, he can catch pass, he's got great

ball skills. He's pretty good and at yak, you know he's got that rumbling kind of bowling ball yak style. So he's got a lot going for him, but I need to see like a high end athlete for me to be sold on that being a fourteenth overall pick. That's where I'm at with Mayor. So I was all ready to talk about Darnel Washington six seven, two seventy. All he needs is a decent forty and he's going to push Mayor for the tight end one spot, right, a decent forty six seven, two seventy. Have you seen

the way tacklers bounce off of that guy? I know, but he's so he is slow. That's why I said a dcent forty. If he runs a decent forty, to me, he's like he's a tackle slash tight end, right, He's not actually a pass catching pick. But that's why if he runs a decent forty, maybe he's gotten himself in more athletic shape here. If he runs a four eight, of course, yeah then no, okay, that's the whole point,

is right, we're learning guy. So I was ready to talk about him, but a friend of mine texting me a mock draft for his team today it's not the Patriots, and I was looking at it, and that was good but I haven't feel like I know this friend. I don't think you do. Okay Falcons No, I was like, all right, I like this is pretty good draft. But he took this tight end in the sixth round. This kid from Old Dominion, Zach Cootz, who I've never heard of.

He goes, look up Zach coots So this morning I'm watching You're in tight end is a tight end from Old Dominion named Zach Cootz. I'm watching. Well, who you of all people have never heard of until today. So I'm I'm doing some digging on this kid. First off, he was originally recruited to Penn State, which is a tight end factory, transferred to Old Dominion because he wanted to play more. Had an all conference season twenty twenty one,

got hurt three games into the season last year. He is six eight two fifty one and supposedly is running low four five forties in workouts. His ball skills are great. He's a really good route runner for his size. He actually lined up more in the slot than he did inline last year. I can't believe we're doing Old Dominion. All right, Okay, so you've come back around from the last show Anyways, I'm fascinated by this kid. I am now fascinated, but I think you're fascinated because you didn't

discover him, so therefore it now. I hate it. I hate it when I have to give other people credit for finding a player. No, here's why, because I they have Hunter Henry and Johny Smith under contract for another year. Right, they can go get a project player with a relatively low pick and just sort of see what happens. And if that guy doesn't hit, you re hit it next year. That's that's the approach you take. If you're sold that

Bill O'Brien a much more better offense. I don't want to use the word streamline because we made that mistake once already. R a much better offensive coordination and all that stuff. Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith are gonna be real players for you next year. Then you take the flyer on the day three. I think Hunter Henry can be from old dominion. Watch him, Okay, watch him. We're gonna see what he does. This look, this is more or less about when I found Tai Kwon last year.

I'm just saying six eight two fifty. He's running four four five forties. You're not. It's not a little bit interesting to you. No, from Penn, the Penn State pedigree, that school, those tight ends. No, the South Dakota State tight ends a little bit interesting to me. Kraft, he's a good point. Dominion is a more technically a like higher prestige program than South Dat. He's a consensus top one hundred guy. Right, Well, this guy was hurt last year. And you know how, I like lat too. I still

want to see law too. I like law Too too. But Zach Coonts Cameron Latto from Alabama. If Cameron Lawtoo is not supposed to run well, if he all puts up like a four to seven, which is like average for a tight end, that's a great time for him. What if Darnel Washington runs a four seven, No, still not enough for you. I just think he's a blocking time. I think he's Mercedes Lewis has been Leaf for like twenty years, and that's great. But they don't need Marcedes Lewis.

They need they need a difference maker. He's he's more dynamic with the ball in his hands. In Mercedes Lewis, guys bounce off of it. Mercedes Lewis once had a seven hundred yard season. Cool. I need a guy that's gonna have a seventeen hundred yard season, not a seven hundred yard season. All right, Well, I'm just saying, Zach Coots old. I don't think he's gonna seventeen hundred yards, but maybe in his career. All right, running backs, this is the one. You know how much how I feel

about running back. I hate running backs. But you were on my case to watch this guy. I'm a little bit convinced. Do I ever steer you wrong? Evan do the argument that I'm getting we're coming here in a

month and he's gonna be talking about the draft. The argument that I'm gonna use here for this guy is that I think, with Ramandri Stevenson already here, that you can use this player in Bill O'Brien's offense as an offensive weapon, not just a running back, but an offensive weapon where he's a running back, he's sometimes a receiver, he's a gadget player. Right. He does all of those

types of things from your offense. And that is Jamari Gibbs from Alabama, who I finally took some time yesterday and I finally scratch the itch that you've been coming at me about watching Gibbs and taking it seriously. With watching Gibbs, he has a gear that's special, his gear when he sees daylight and he hits the nas as I like to say, right, yeah, it's different. It's a different speed than everybody else on the field. And I'm talking about different against lsu K State like Tennessee, like

teams with great athletes all over the field. Let me add to that too, it's not just the straight line speed. When he puts his foot in the ground to cut and comes out of that cute, he loses no speed, no momentum. He can change directions like that. Unbelievable, right, So I think it's a luxury pick. It certainly is.

But I think the reason why I want to look at him at the combine is if he doesn't if he falls down the board even a little bit where all of a sudden he's maybe in round two, like you know, beginning a round two instead of end of round one, then maybe you can start to talk about using forty six to get him, which I think is a little bit more. I think you can stomach that

a little bit better. Right, Like, let's say they go out in free agency and free agency, they address either tackle or receiver and they get a veteran guy to

fill that spot. And now you're on the clock in the second round and Jamara Gibbs is You're you're at thirty eight and you're at forty six and Jamar Gibbs is still on the board, and you want to make that Christian bar More a trade up right, I think that you can sell yourself on that of using him a little bit like how the Chiefs use like Kadarius Tony down the stretch right where he's this offensive weapon. He's James White mixed with Kadarius Tony and he's just everything.

You're over complicating it using him like Alabama used him last year. Well, which is what Alabama right where he's he was a slot receiver as much as he was a running that yeah, slot receiver, running back, ballcare offensive weapon. Yeah, And I can't help but look, so this is and this is how you're justifying it. And this is, by the way, what I tried to tell you months ago when you told me to shut up. You're not drafting

him as a just as a running back. Now I'm also recognizing that he is very, very different than Remandre. It's a totally different skill set. I so it's funny. I think they could handle similar roles, but they would approve their approach would be different. I just think they're totally different. I think Jamara Gibbs is an explosive home run act. Yeah, and Romandre is more run through yet Yeah, Gibbs is more run past you, right, Like that's totally true.

And I think that as a receiver, Jamara Gibbs is way more dynamic than Romandra. Yeah, Vermandre can catch the football, Jamara Gibbs is an impact player in the passing game. So I don't I'm still not like in love, you know, with me and running backs. I still don't love the idea. But if it happened, the way you're talking yourself into it is not considering him running back, right, And I would not watch Bijean yet, did you? I did a

little bit. But Bijean to me has too much overlap with hermand Nope, I'm not saying they should take Beijean like Bijean to me, my comp for him is Leonard Fournette. Yeah, But what I'm wondering is if Jamir Gibbs has a good enough combine. If he runs a good enough forty, can he pass Bijean as RB one? Because I think he can. I think some teams I think might look at it that way. I have him as RB one right now just because of the passing game stuff. Right,

Beijean's a good receiver. I don't think that he's Jamari Gibbs in the passing. He's not changing things for you in the passing, right, I would all just one more thing on Gibbs and you can give your guy watching how And I think a lot of it was out of necessity because Alabama didn't have the skill players that they usually do. But watching Bill O'Brien move this guy around and use him in so many different ways to get the football in his hands tells me what Bill

O'Brian probably thinks of Jamari Gibbs. Oh, Bill O'Brien loves him, right, so I Bill Ryan loves him. And Bill O'Brien has any say in the draft room, and Bill says to him, we want to draft a weapon here. Who's the weapon you want to pick? And he says, Jamari Gibbs. Gibbs, That's the only reason we're having this conversation is Bill O'Brien. If they didn't hire Bill O'Brien, I don't think we'd be seriously talking about those. All Right, who's your guy?

Deuce vaun from Kansas State? So Danny Woodhead, Well, no, Um, Darren Sprowls, it's probably a better Kansas State and like so, Deuce Vaughn was a top three pass catching back in college football last year. Honestly, might be him, Gibbs and Travis Dye. Who's another guy who se where he's out with his injury. Yeah, Um explodes it with the ball in his hands. Great runner, like he can really handle all three downs. But he's listed at five six, one

seventy six. Hence the Darren Sprowls comp I want to see what he really measures in at. And he's a guy I think the Patriots would really like if the size checks out, Like I could see him in that James White role. He's a very good blocker for his size. Now there's limitations to come with that size. Five six one seventy six is still kind of built. He's like he's compassed, right, he's thick, muscle amster Doug Martin. I

want to see what he really comes in at. I think he's going to be impressive in the drills and the measurements, but he didn't do a senior bowl. He didn't do the trying and bowl any of that. I want to see what he comes in at. He's you didn't watch him yet, did you. I watched him and Cross Okay, I really want you to watch. He's really explosive, but different than Gibbs because I think his speed is just shot out of a cannon right away, where Gibbs is more foot in the ground and go right. So

I think there's a little bit of difference there. But Vaughan is if you want him to draft the next James White, next Kevin Falk Like, that's that's the guy. It's him, Eric Gray, and Travis Dye. Those are the three guys that are like James White clones in the straps. All right, we'll move were at a defense in a second, but Sean and Patty have been waiting patiently. Uh Sean, what's up? Thanks for waiting? No problem, Hey, alex Evan, I have a one question. If you come as trying

and be quick. My first question for my actually my only question is do you think Taylor the on is done? Yes? Yeah, okay, so yeah, yeah, so that that's won't work. Um. Now, the other thing Alex I want to say is I have a slightly different take on the Bengals stain on the Broncos approach to U to trades because I think when you bring in a guy like Sean Payton, you're you're thinking you want to fix the team. I don't

think you're trying to rebuild. So I think they'd be a little more hesitant in an in trading judy because I think that the figure maybe they have a chance at doing something this season. So that's that's that. Now. In terms of the draft, I agree Clinton Johnson. If you know he's for four point zero or you know, Summer Loaf, uh for it's like, yeah, you're gonna I'd

like them to move up to get them. If the Patriots addressed tackle and free free agency somehow, if they pick up a free agent, then um, you know, I get maybe that would be something that you know, if

they can move up to ten to do that. And the other thing I wanted to mention is earlier in the MPU, the argument about the nineteen eighty nine draft really goes to what Paul was trying to make in his thing about tackles, because if you look at that draft, four of the top five picks were like not just Hall of famers, like legends, Aikman Sanders, Derek Thomas, Dean Sanders, like that was amazing. And then you know the only

bus is Tony Mandridge. And if you look at the rest of the draft, there was no other tackles taken. So in that draft, Tony Mandridge stood above everything but else a tackle because in that year in college the tackle play was low, and I think that was a good proof of it. Where this season, you know, in the draft there's lots of tackles that that are up there, So I don't think this is going to be the

kind of bus that we're going to see. Well, and you're never going to see a bus like Tony Mandridge again. But I think that that helps Patriots outlook if they want to draft a tackle. Yeah, thanks for the college ship shit it. So you mentioned Judy. Shot mentioned Judy. I mentioned this on PU quickly, but I tested you about this. I guess there's a report out there. I think it was from Benjamin Albright who covers the Broncos,

and it's kind of a Bronchos insider. He had mentioned that Judy was available at the deadline last year and the asking price was a second round pick and a fifth round pick, and there were no takers, which is surprising, Yeah, because when you look at Judy's production and Drew Locke and Russell Wilson and these quarterbacks at a thousand yards last year, Yeah, a thousand yards with Russell Wilson not

playing very well that version of Russell Wilson, right. Yeah, In terms of like, oh, Sean Payton's gonna want to keep his guys to win right away, we don't know what he's thinking. That could be it the flip side of it, could be they don't have a ton of money to work with. Yeah, Jerry Judy's contracts almost stopped. Does he flip Jerry Judy for a pick so he can get his own guy in that role that he knows he's going to have for the next four years? Right?

The question is I guess at bottom line, Hey, why is that asking price too much for Jerry Judy for the league? Because if that was truly the asking price and he didn't move at the deadline, and that tells nobody ever really wants to make a deal to the deadline. Maybe that's what it was. I think that's what it was. The other thing I would say, is she at that position. Sean Payton's offense loves the slot. Yeah, he's another guy

offensive mine that loves the slot. That's why Michael Thomas put up the numbers that he used to put up when he was healthy. So does he view Jerry Judy, which he very well could, as like a healthier younger Michael Thomas, in which case he should eat in that

offense right and have a huge numbers. Or to your point, does he want to recycle the asset where he trades Jerry Judy for forty six and one of the Patriots fourth round picks, and then at forty six he takes Kashawn Boutet, right, Harry takes you know, Josh Downs or whoever the guy is that he likes, and therefore they recycle the asset and they start over on the contract

and all that kind of stuff. The last thing about tackles when I keep coming back to with this conversation, because I don't know how much you heard of what Paul was talking about. He was basically just talking about how the hit rate at tackle and wide receiver. Everybody says tackles the safe position to take, but in reality, over the last five years or so, receivers have been just as good as tackles coming out of the draft.

I think the biggest thing for me is that I don't know if I would have any of these receivers besides maybe the exception of JSN as a first round receiver. And let's say last year's draft, right, Like, this draft to me, at receiver is great. On day two, it's great. I would say twenty five through seventy five, I think

there's gonna be some really good receivers taken. But is it really one of those drafts where I don't think any of these guys are again with the exception to maybe JSN are Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, like even like the Ohio State guys last year, A Lave Wilson, Jamison Williams from out like, I don't think that we're at that talent level. That's why there is nobody projected really to go inside the top ten, because there isn't a Jamar Chase in this draft. Right It's all like I

say this all the time, it's all relative. Whereas with the tackles, I think that this is a really good tackle class in the first round. Yeah, so that I think that matters that That to me matters of every people that want to take I'll say this on this show too, people that want to take a receiver at fourteen, you got to start coming with me with names. Yeah, you can't just it's it's it's fake, right, it's you're making up make a creative player in Madden that doesn't exist. Right,

So if you have that take, that's okay. It's not a bad take in terms of that. They need that asset, right, but you got you gotta put a name to the all right, Patty and aga on what's up? Patty Up? Guys, I got a name, okay, but it's not a first round guy. Maybe late day two, Day three? Guys. That intreagues me is that could possibly be at DeVante Parker replacement is at Perry? I know you guys saw him that eat swish shot we didn't bowl, correct, Yeah? Yes,

what were your guys opinions of them? Do you think he could possibly replace Perker? And do you see him as like a day late day two or early day three guy, and that's all I got. Guys, will talk to you next week. Thanks Patty. So this draft we mentioned a lot, I think, but I know we've probably both written about this. This draft is not great with outside receivers in terms of depth, It's really great with slot receivers. Like, if you want to X excuse me, a Z or a slot receiver, this is the draft

for you. Yeah, if you want an X, it's kind of Quinton Johnson's the top tier, Cedric Tillman's kind of that next tier, and then At Perry, who Patty just mentioned, is probably that middle tier, right, Yeah, so we like Dat Perry for moments, I would say I wasn't super impressed. Honestly, didn't play great in the game either. If you want like a big receiver from the Shrine Bowl, I go with Justin Shorter, Bryce Ford Wheaton before I go with at Perry. So I think At Perry's got good acceleration.

Michael Jefferson too. He's a deep threat, like I like a DeVante Parker style deep threat, right, So I think he can do that as sort of things I don't. I don't hate At Perry and if they really want that skill set, if they're dead set on adding an

ex receiver. If I'm the Patriot's just from their track record with that position in the draft, I would much rather than take a chance on it with at Perry in the fourth round than using a first round pick on Quentin Johnson and striking out on a first round pick. But then at that point, just give me Justin Shorter in the sixth round. Who I thought it had a better Shrine Bowl who they actually worked with, And it is just At Perry's tall, but I wouldn't call him big. Yeah,

he was slender. If I'm getting a guy like they have Taekwon Thorton, right, if I'm getting a guy like that, give me guy. We both thought the first day of practice Justin Shorter was a tight end. Yeah, he's the way he was built. That's the If that's the way out, we're going, give me Justin Shorter. I do like at Perry's his acceleration, his vertical transitions right when he runs like a post route or post corn, he accelerates and he's pretty fluid for a guy his size. But he

is a little bit more slender. He's not He's not one of those up like DK Metcalfe sized guys. He's he's a little bit skinnier than that. All right, let's move over into defense. I know we gotta go here. Yeah, I combine D line and edge into one position if you want. I know you hate edge, so I I hate edge. I think it's we're talking about the Patriots. We know what position he's going to play. But go ahead, Okay, So D line edge, Who's who's your guy on the

line of scrimmage player? So I like Eca from Baylor, Like he's really not getting talked about it at all. I watched I watched a ton of Big twelve football this year. I love the Big twelve and this you don't see defensive tackles take over in the Big twelve. This guy he's like six three, three thirty, but he's a pass rusher. Yeah, he's can get after it. That type of player the Vita Vea. Yeah, even I would say Danny Shelton to a degree that obviously that type

of player's value has decreased in the end. And by the way, I undersold him six four three fifty seven, but like he can move around a little bit. So I think Danny Shelton is somebody that remember when they got him here, and at first they signed him, they thought he was a two gapping nose tackle, and they got him here and they're like, this is really like an up the field type of player, and the second year he was here they sort of figured that out.

That's what this guy reminds me of a little bit. I think he's better. I just I'm excited he's you know how the it's the athletic, right that does like the most athletic, like the freak athletes thing. You don't see that many defense tackles. He's going to be on there. Bruce Felman, Yeah, he's gonna be on there something. I'm interested to see how he tests. All right, So my guy, I just watched this guy recently and I just was

really impressive. Bji from LSU. Yeah, I know that edge rusher is probably not a high priority, but when you look at the longevity of that, those guys, the twenty twenty guys, Uch and Jennings are going to be free agents next offseason right there. Rookie deals are coming up. Judean is in your three of a four year deal and he's starting to push thirty, right, So you're starting to think about maybe transitioning there and are you gonna

pay ucha? I think is something that's interesting because they're historically it feels like they're not the team that pays ucha. I think they might look at Uj's sack numbers and be like, well, a lot of them came late in the fourth quarter when we were up and he was just pinning his ear, that sort of thing where they can they kind of look at the stats a little bit. They kind of like what they did with J. C. Jackson. I love josh Uj, you know, I wrote about him

a bunch last year. What I love about him is similar to what I love about BJ Ojilari, and that is they just have a toolbox of pass rush moves, Like this is not just one of a lot of guys. When we get into the draft with edge rushers, there's so many guys that are just one trick ponies at this stage, and they really haven't developed counters and different moves that they can go off of. Ojilari is not

like that. This guy has speed, he's got a long arm, he's got ghost moves, he's got different, like all sorts of different moves in his toolbox. And when you already or that refine where you have not just a counter off your speed rush, but two or three counters. Yeah, that's pretty advanced for a college pass rusher. He was also really good against some good competition. He almost he kind of took over that Alabama game for a little bit of that game. Mississippi State he had a huge

game against them too. He's just one of those guys that's got a whole lot in his repertoire. I really like that. So I like Ojlari. Did you watch Alie Gay? There are other I really like. They're both good. Actually like Ali Gay a little bit better. I just think his first steps a little bit quicker. Yeah, So Ajolari is not He's like Uja in the sense that he's got all these pass rush moves in his box, but he's not. He doesn't have Uja's first step, right, He's

not really a first step guy. He's got speed though, because what he I think it's like the second, third, fourth step for Ojolari. He's really got good stride, lane and everything like that, and he can really corner too. He's got great bend, so he doesn't necessarily have that great instant first step, but He's got that ability to build up that speed as he turns the corner. So you have him ahead of Gay a little bit. Yeah.

I just think that he's a little bit more advanced with how many pass rush moves he uses and things like that. So if they're looking for the next the next, Uja right to take over. If they're not gonna pay Uja and they're looking for the next guy and the board maybe doesn't follow their away. At some other positions, I could see Ojalare being one of their guys linebacker moving off the ball. Now we're how many years in Alexton? Yeah, speed at linebacker, speed at linebacker. Will they ever change?

Will they ever change? I hope so this year. Although I'm not looking totally at the Mike, I haven't you know. I've been obsessed with this guy for two years. I thought he would have been a first end pick last year if he came out to marv and over shown from Texas. He's not getting talked about it at all. He was at the senior bow he got overlooked. He's going to crush the combine. He's a freak athlete. He can play mike, he can play on the edge, he can rush the pass because I think he's a weak

side linebacker. I think he can. I think he can rush the casser, play, set the edge, and cover. Yeah. I'm a big fan of his game, and like he's not that. He's not a mic linebacker, right, So in some way maybe that helps him justify it because he does things a little bit differently. So he's just so explosive. He pops you. If you're watching Texas, you're in their defenses on the field, in three or four plays, you're going to notice to Marv and overshowing any he's any

four playspan. He's totally that prototype. Like he's like two thirty, two twenty five something like that. Yeah, he's this new age prototype that they have basically ignored. Let's let's face it. But here's the thing I'm thinking. He plays, and he's listed at six four, two thirty. I think he plays more physically than maybe some of these other guys we've talked about of them getting in that new prototype, right, Yeah, he does. He plays like he's two fifty. I don't

I liked him a little bit. I remember you pointed him out to me a lot. The guy that I want to mention is somebody I think that's going super under the radar a little bit here, and that's Jack Campbell from Iowa. Yea, And I think after the combine he's not going to be under the radar anymore. I think he's gonna be right in the LB one conversation. So I met. I watched the Clemson kid, Trenton Simpson, Yeah, and I was pretty surprised that he was like the

consensus linebacker one. To be honest with you, I don't think there's really a consensus Jack Campbell. I think is gonna be Jack Campbell and Noah Soul to me or both up there. So Jack Campbell, I think he can move a lot better than that. Maybe he gets credit for I think he gets typecasted a little bit as Iowa as that Iowa Mike, you know, linebacker, But he I think he's a better athlete than most people give

him credit for. And he's really he's got that linebacker instinct right where he's basically in the running back's head and he's pasting it out and he's getting you know, kind of mirroring gap to gap to gap, and he's just got that hundred tackle type of mentality to Yeah, and I think that that's something that they might look

at Juwan Bentley to correct me if I'm wrong. He's I think it's only one more year on that extension that they signed him to, right, so that mic position, and I think Campbell's a little bit more athletic, a little bit smaller, but still has some of those instinctual take on type of accums. Do you remember what happened last year? We were talking about how like it wasn't a great class for athletic linebackers, and every single linebacker

tested significantly better than we expected. Leo Chanal, remember you're like Leo and then he ran a four to five. So I'm interested to see if this year's linebacker class can measure up. Yeah, this year's linebacker class is not great. I'm just gonna say it. It's not a great It's not as good as it was. Like middle linebacker. I

like the outside linebackers in this class. So cornerback. The quarterback that I rope down was Deontay Banks from Maryland too, is somebody we've talked so much about, like Christian Gonzales and w they're spooning Joey Porter and some of the first round guys, I think this guy's kind of quietly becoming other than the guy they think you're going to mention. Is one of my favorite day two corners watching him against Ohio State, And if you could play against Ohio State,

then you can hang in the league like that. If you can match up against those receivers, then you're good. And he had some of the most physical jams at the line of scrimmage that you'll like. Guys weren't even able to get off the line of scrimmage. He would. It was almost like a gunner right on a punt and he's just holding them there and it was really impressive. But I also think he can change directions and mirror

routes things like that. He's like six two, He's exactly what the Patriots need, like most six two two oh five corners. Long speed's going to be the question. Does he have enough long speed to hang in a high volume role on the outside of the NFL or is he just going to be a matchup guy where when you're facing a six or four, when you're facing T Higgins,

you might have him guard T Higgins. But then next week when Tyree Kill and Jail and Waddle come to town now, he can't play right like, and that's what you have to avoid, I think. But I want to see what Deontay Banks runs in the forty, and I also want to see what your guy runs in the forty. Yeah, Julius Brent's everybody knows I'm a huge fan of his. But every time I bring him up, oh he's sixty three,

everybody goes on Juan Williams right right now. I want to see him run this forty already so we really know how fast he is. Either A, I can continue on the Julius Brent's hype train and say no, he's like big and fast, or B I can go find somebody else if he doesn't run a good right But I think he will looks fast to me on tape. That's the biggest thing with Juwan Williams is that I think that it's an important conversation to have and I plan on trying to hash this out a little bit

further at some point, maybe on the show. And that is why did they miss on Juwan Williams? Like why so? Because if they were going to go with that mold again and they're trying going to try to get a six foot plus corner again. Yea, then they have to avoid another Juan Williams. Right. So I think the biggest thing with Juan Williams it was you, like a four six guy, four six four I have right here, four six four can't That's that was why they missed, right,

he just doesn't have to place. SP's not fast enough to play in the NFL at corner at least. So if Julius Brents runs a four to five instead of a four to six four, then it's fine. All yeah, safety safety, I'm gonna go. So this guy's like super undertalked about. Honestly, Christopher Smith from Georgia. I say this all the time. There's not a ton of free safeties.

Just take any Georgia coming out, that's fair. But no, I like him specifically because he's a true free safety, yeah, that you don't see a lot of coming out of college. I think his instincts are off the chart. I think he can probably play single high. You know, we'll see kind of where his speed and a Jilli's at. But everybody wants to get all hot and bothered about the Alabama safeties and then we skip right down to Trey Dean Right Chris Sir. Smith's kind of in the middle there.

I think he can play. I want to see him get on the radar. So he was. He was a Senior Bowl guy too, by the way, he had a good Senior Bowl. Georgia has Christopher Smith and then Alabama's got two safeties as well. They both do, so my top four safeties are no. I meant Georgia had two safeties too, right was the other one ty Key Smith? So they both named Smith. Yeah's confusing. Ty Key Smith is such a Patriot because he plays deep box, slot and boundary like he's listed as a safety, but he

he's a defensive back. He is a defensive back. He's supposed to go like day or late Day two, early day three. That's a guy could totally see the Patriots taking. But I don't know that he's a replacement for Devin mccordy. He's more hedging your bets. You can't resign Kyle Dugger. Christopher Smith to me can step in year one and maybe play that Devin mccordy role. I'm just really I'm surprised that that that bill hasn't tapped into the Georgia.

I know it's sometimes it's impossible because as as you know, Jalen Carter's gonna go number two overall, and it's not

like they're picking there. But I'm just I'm surprised that they haven't tapped into Georgia yet because I feel like every time I watched their defense, Kirby runs his defense so much like the Patriots defense, right, like it's the scheme is so so it's so it's just like drafting defenders from from Saban and the guy I'm gonna go with is from Saban and from Alabama, and that's Brian Branch, who I really think if Devin mccordy decides to retire, I really think Brian Banch could be the pick in

the first round for the Patriots. This guy, so Branch played the star role for a Saban, which is the slot defender. He was in the slot. He's a nickel, all right, But I don't think that that's where he's gonna be in the NFL. The main he's they listen him at six feet like one ninety five. Yeah, I don't think you're playing star nickel in the NFL had one ninety five, because that's that's truly strong side linebacker

in today's league, right, because there's you. You don't you're playing nickel seventy five percent of the time, so you don't have three linebackers on the field a whole lot. So you're gonna have as a nickel, you need to be a take on player, like you need to be able to play the round. You need to be able to set the edge, and you need to be able to take on guys in the box at one ninety five. I don't think you're doing that. So I think Brian Branch is gonna play further away from the football in

the NFL. I really look at him and see him as somebody that could play free safety, play center field, can play a little bit of Devin mccordy's role, where you know, mccordy moves around a little bit. I know everybody always thinks of him as a center fielder for the Patriots, but he moves around a little bit. His play speed is electric, his instincts are great, His clicking clothes on the football is excellent and dominant at times.

His game against Kansas State was ridiculous. I mean, he just took over the game on the defense side of the ball for Alabama. I really like Brian Branch. He's one of my highest rated prospects in this draft for the guys that I watch. You know, Alex, you know this, But I take out the top of the guy draft guys, right, I'm not. I don't waste my time on Jalen Carter and Will Anderson, right, they're not going to be Patriots.

So out of the guys that I have walk watched, Brian Branch has one of the highest grades out of all those guys. And again, I think he really his best NFL positions probably free safety, not not nickel. I just don't think he's big enough to play the nickel. That's fair, all right. So that wraps it up. Alex, you gotta get going. I gotta get going. Yep, you gotta get I'll be on Felgren as a four class football. If you're not sick of Alex yet, you should go listen to him on F and M with with with

Joe Murray, Right, Jim, it's Jim Murray and Tim mcconaugh. Jim, I said, Joe, didn't, I you did? Yeah, f F and m Are are not are not there. So Alex is gonna lead the show. That's that's what I'm predicting. He's going to carry this show. So you go listen to Alex on F and M if you're not sick of him already. And like I said, we'll be back next week. I'll be an indie, so we'll do a

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