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The Alarming Rise in Global Debt!

May 26, 202527 minSeason 5Ep. 21
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Developed economies around the world have been growing their debts over the last twenty-five years. This was less of a problem when interest rates were close to zero but in the era of trade wars, lower credit ratings and higher interest rates, debt is more expensive to issue and service. Bond investors have worried that governments are addicted to debt for quite some time, and recent drama in the Japanese bond market along with the deficit spending of Trump's "one big beautiful bill" lead many to question the ability of governments to cover massive budget deficits. This video looks at the drivers of growing government debt, what the money is spent on, can Elon Musk's DOGE cut spending and analyze the role of the 'bond vigilantes', to understand if huge budget deficits and government borrowing could spiral out of control. Patrick's Books:Statistics For The Trading Floor: https://amzn.to/3eerLA0Derivatives For The Trading Floor: https://amzn.to/3cjsyPFCorporate Finance: https://amzn.to/3fn3rvC Ways To Support The ChannelPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/PatrickBoyleOnFinanceBuy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/patrickboyleVisit our website: https://www.onfinance.orgFollow Patrick on Twitter Here: https://bsky.app/profile/pboyle.bsky.socialBusiness Inquiries ➡️ sponsors@onfinance.org

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Global government debt levels have been growing rapidly over the last 25 years and are now expected to exceed $100 trillion by the end of this year. For developed countries, the average ratio of public debt to GDP is back to where it was in 1945, when public debt rose above 100% of GDP after two world wars and the Great Depression. The recent surge in borrowing was driven by a series of

shocks. First the global financial crisis, then the pandemic, and then the Russian invasion of Ukraine. For most of that period, interest rates were low and falling. But since the pandemic, we've seen a spike in inflation globally, which pushed interest rates up, meaning that any new debt being issued is much more expensive. But that has in no way stopped governments from borrowing and

spending. A quick glance at the news shows that even as rates are rising, budget deficits around the world are projected to grow. Government spending in most countries has been high since the pandemic for a few reasons. For one thing, politicians tend to spend a lot more in election years. And 2024 was the biggest election year in world history, where 72 countries that encompass half of the world's population held elections.

Governments spent a lot to win re election, and newly elected leaders are now spending a lot to fulfill their campaign promises. So what is the money being spent on? Globally, there's been a lot of climate change spending, which is expected to continue or possibly increase. And in Europe, we saw high government spending to shield consumers from a spike in gas prices. Geopolitical tensions all around the world mean that military spending is expected to grow in

the years too. Last year, government spending around the world was the highest it's ever been outside of a crisis, with the biggest driver of increased spending being the rising interest rates on government debt.

This week, the US Treasury Department saw soft demand at a $16 billion twenty year bond auction, which caused stocks and the dollar to sell off while Treasury yields rose, according to Reuters. The weak auction shows intensified investor worries about the ballooning U.S. debt, which could spur bond market vigilantes who want more fiscal restraint from Washington. This came after Moody's downgraded the US government's credit rating, citing the

growing debt and little progress towards resolving it. The move was not a huge surprise as Moody's was the last of the big three rating agents to take the step and had warned 2 years ago that this might happen. The 30 year U.S. Treasury yield rose above 5% earlier this week and has stayed there. In Japan, events were even more dramatic when the weakest demand seen at a government debt auction in more than a decade drove the 20 year government bond yield up to the highest rate in 25 years.

The yield on 30 year Japanese government bonds climbed to the highest level seen since that maturity was first sold in 1999, so an all time record. Yields on the 40 year Japanese government bond rose to a record high too of 3.7%, which is a full percentage point higher than at the start of April. As the FT points out, a sharp move like that from such a low starting point means that investors who owned that bond have lost almost 20% of their investment in just a few weeks.

To highlight how ugly the Japanese government bond market is right now, we have to look at the less liquid bonds which investors are keeping well away from for fear of being stuck in a difficult to sell bond as prices collapse. The Japanese yield curve is not just upward sloping, it's the steepest upward sloping yield curve in the developed world. This means that longer maturity bonds pay higher interest rates.

But in the market chaos, the 35 year bond, which was issued as a 40 year bond five years ago, now yields over 100 basis points more than the 40 year bond. This makes no sense in such a steep upward sloping yield curve. But the reason this is happening is that the 35 year bond is a lot less liquid than the more recently issued 40 year bond. It's what's known as an off the run bond, and it's trading at a surprisingly higher yield because investors are so afraid

of buying a bond that might be difficult to sell. the FT describes this as pretty stark evidence of the evaporating demand for longer term Japanese debt. This kind of drama in high grade developed market government bonds, where bonds are supposed to be the safe asset class, is an example of how things can go wrong when investors back away from lending to highly indebted nations. Japan today has the highest public debt to GDP ratio in the

world at over 240%. This ratio was only at around 50% of GDP in 1990. Over the same period, the US has gone from a debt to GDP ratio of around 40% to around 100% today. So why have governments around the world become addicted to debt? And can they deleverage? The surge in Japan's debt to GDP ratio over the last 35 years was driven by a combination of huge government spending aimed at reviving A stalled economy combined with a collapse in GDP growth. So debt grew and grew while GDP

didn't. Over that period there've been huge stimulus packages including infrastructure spending and social welfare spending, all in an attempt to end persistent deflation and low growth. Japan's rapidly aging and hyper aged population is part of the problem too, as retirees demanded spending on healthcare and pensions, significantly

adding to the debt burden. The growing debt never really caused a problem over that period simply because the government was borrowing at such low interest rates. The problem is that when interest rates start to rise, Japan has to either stop borrowing and start paying down it's debt, or it's class of borrowing will become

unmanageable. Japan's Prime Minister told parliament this week that he disagrees with the idea of funding tax cuts with bond issuance, signalling caution over new government spending now that the nation's borrowing costs are rising. The surge in Japanese bond yields highlights the concerns of bond investors globally about the risks of unsustainable government spending.

These higher yields in Japan are part of a global trend where the government borrowing costs in the world's largest economies are rising as investors question the ability of governments to cover massive budget deficits. The yield on the UK's 30 year government bond spiked as high as 5.54% this week, up 40 basis points a year to date. The UK is expected to post a budget deficit equivalent to $185.5 billion this year, which is slightly lower than last year's levels.

They expect the budget to remain in a deficit through the end of the decade. China's debt to GDP has been growing over the last 15 years and is expected to continue growing as the country runs deficits to stimulate the slowing economy. China has for decades aimed to keep the official deficit at no more than 3% of GDP, but has breached that figure 3 times since 2020. The government set this year's fiscal deficit target at 4% of

GDP. the US hit its debt to GDP record in late 1945, when U.S. National debt was briefly larger than the entire U.S. economy. After a three decade decline, by the mid 1970s debt had fallen to around 1/4 the size of the economy. Since then, it's been steadily growing under both Democratic and Republican presidents. It really took off in the wake of the global financial crisis where it hit around 75% of GDP, and again in early 2020 when the pandemic struck, it soared close

to 100% of GDP. When you look at the chart, you can see the debt has generally grown during times of war or financial crisis when unemployment is high and economic growth is low. Overall, the US has the eighth highest public debt to GDP ratio in the world. Right before the pandemic, the US economy was in its longest

expansion in modern history. But at the same time, U.S. debt was quite high and growing, which was unusual at the time, as normally that deep into an expansion you would expect to see budget deficit shrinking. But the US budget deficit was instead growing and at a faster and faster rate.

Even before the pandemic hit. In April 2020, the federal government delayed tax payments, meaning that money stopped coming in. And the Treasury announced that it would borrow $3 trillion in the second quarter alone. Who would buy all of this debt? Well, the Federal Reserve was the biggest buyer. It expanded its Treasury holdings by nearly $2 trillion in a matter of two months. That month, Americans received their first stimulus checks in

the mail. The Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan federal agency whose role is to provide Congress with objective analysis and estimates related to economic and budgetary decisions, is now predicting that America's debt to GDP ratio will rise from 98% where it is today to a record 125% in the next decade.

There's no war or recession right now to easily explain the rapidly increasing pace of borrowing and the the US unemployment rate is near an all time low because the US government has been spending more than it collects in taxes since the global financial crisis, the national debt has

been growing. Even without President Trump's planned deficit spending as part of his budget, the US debt to GDP ratio is expected to exceed the 1945 high in nine years if Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act makes it through the Senate. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan group that favours debt reduction, estimates that U.S. National debt will reach 129% of GDP by 2034.

Now, on the campaign trail, Trump claimed that he would not be running a massive budget deficit. He instead said that he would balance the budget. I want to do what has not been done in 24 years, balance the federal budget. We're going to balance. Trump's team claim that the legislation, when combined with his pro growth policies, will have the US fiscal deficit from its current level of 6.4% to 3% by the end of his term.

His Council of Economic Advisers claims that the bill will boost real economic growth by up to 5.2% over the next four years, creating or saving up to 7.4 million jobs and raising investment by up to 14.5% over the next four years.

Not everyone agrees with that. While many agree that the tax cuts might boost economic growth, they argue that the increased borrowing and the inflationary effect of Trump's trade policies will drive up interest rates on government bonds while slowing the US economy. The Center for American Progress, a liberal research group, have published projections which assumed that all of the bills temporary provisions get permanently

extended. They say that in such a scenario, government debt could reach about double the size of the economy by 2055, compared with 156%, without any changes to the existing law. The weak U.S. Treasury auction this Wednesday highlighted investor fears over America's rising debt burden in the lead up to the vote on Trump's big, beautiful bill in the House of Representatives. The 30 year Treasury yield rose to 5.1% as the price of bonds

fell. It extended its rise to 5.12% after the bill passed the House of Representatives by a single vote. The recent debt downgrade by Moody's has also been putting upward pressure on US interest rates. So if every government is borrowing, who's buying all of these government bonds? Well, pension funds are amongst the biggest buyers of government bonds because they're considered a safe investment. Investment funds, central banks, other governments, and individual investors also buy bonds.

According to the US Treasury, 80% of U.S. government bonds are held by Americans and 20% by other governments. When we look at the breakdown of that 80%, we can see that almost 1/4 is held by the Federal Reserve, with the rest held by mutual funds, state and local governments, pension funds, insurance companies, and banks. So what does the US government

spend all of the money on? Well, the federal budget is divided between mandatory spending, discretionary spending, and interest payments on the debt. More than 60% of the budget goes towards mandatory spending, which is automatic unless Congress changes the legislation authorizing it. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid make up 75% of mandatory spending. About 28% goes towards discretionary spending, which Congress has to authorize each year through the appropriations

process. About half of the discretionary spending goes to defence related agencies and programs. The rest is spent on things like health education, veterans benefits and transportation. About 12% of the budget goes on interest payments on the national debt. As you can see, this has risen over time as both the scale of borrowing and interest rates have gone up. This is projected to continue rising in the future.

Interest payments were $880 billion last year, which is more than was spent on Medicare and the military. The financial historian Niall Ferguson told the FT that any great power that spends more on debt servicing than on defence risks ceasing to be a great power unless debt is paid down. That $880 billion interest expense can be expected to grow, as most of the borrowing was done when interest rates were much lower than they are today and when the US still had a AAA

credit rating. Even if the amount borrowed stays the same as old bonds expire and are replaced with new bonds, the interest rate on those new bonds will be higher than the interest rate was on the bonds that expired. While nonpartisan research groups are estimating that Trump's budget will add more than 2 1/2 trillion dollars to the federal debt over the next decade, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt says that the budget will actually save the federal government $1.6 trillion.

She said this bill does not add to the deficit. It is the largest savings for any legislation that has ever passed Capitol Hill in our nation's history.

The $1.6 trillion figure seems to refer to the spending cuts in the bill, but it ignores the fact that the government will still be spending significantly more overall than it brings in in taxes, which means borrowing at whatever the prevailing interest rate is. In their downgrade announcement, Moody's predicted that the US budget deficit would rise from 6.4% last year to just under 9% by 2035.

So is the Trump administration right that the new budget will spark growth and that the US can outgrow the deficit? Well, during the global financial crisis, the US Treasury issued huge amounts of new debt, a lot of which was bought up by the Federal Reserve, a lot like what happened during the pandemic. Some economists predicted huge inflation at the time and businesses being crowded out of the debt market, but that didn't actually occur.

Economists then started rethinking many of their theories around how much borrowing is too much. In 2019, Olivier Blanchard, an MIT professor and the former chief economist at the IMF, used his last speech as president of the American Economic Association to put forward a provocative idea. In a world where interest rates are very low, he said governments can afford to take

on a lot more debt. In a speech titled Public Debt and Low Interest Rates, Blanchard laid out the theory that as long as the interest rate on government debt is lower than the growth rate of the economy, that governments can tolerate a lot more borrowing than it previously seemed

reasonable. He argued that big government debt may not be as dangerous as they were previously believed to be. Trump's bet is that he can grow the US economy faster than he grows the national debt and that way he can move towards a balanced budget. The worry is that his whipsaw approach to trade policy, which has included massive tariff announcements followed by delays, exemptions and reversals, has undercut businesses ability to plan and invest.

This Friday, just hours before trade talks were scheduled to start with the EU, Trump threatened a 50% tariff on EU goods, while also warning Apple that he would impose a 25% import tax at least on iPhones not manufactured in the United States, later widening the threat to any smartphone being imported. On Trump's Liberation Day in April, he announced a 20% tariff on most EU goods, then halved it to 10% for 90 days to allow time for negotiations.

It's not obvious how huge tariffs and constantly changing trade policies would boost U.S. economic growth. There's a real risk that these policies are inflationary and kill economic growth, which would mean higher interest rates on the debt than the current 5% rate with no offsetting growth. Bond investors who lock up their money at a fixed rate hate inflation as it eats into their returns. They equally hate if the currency the bonds are

denominated in depreciates. The term bond vigilante was coined by the economist Ed Yardini in the 1980s. He used the term in a letter to describe investors who reacted to government policies, particularly those perceived as inflationary or excessive spending, by either selling off bonds they owned, which drove up yields, or by just declining to

buy them. The idea was that politicians can't mess with the bond market and that when politicians get out of line, the bond market reminds them of the need for fiscal responsibility. In the UK, Liz Truss's proposed mini budget was quickly abandoned a few years ago when the bond market reacted badly to its announcement. And in the early 90's the 10 year bond yield rose from 5% to over 8% in what was known as the Great Bond Massacre over

concerns about federal spending. Clinton political adviser James Carville remarked at the time that he would like to come back as the bond market as you can then intimidate everybody. Robert Armstrong made a very good point in his unhedged newsletter a few weeks ago about Trump's plan to onshore manufacturing, where if a big chunk of human, financial and physical capital is to be deployed in manufacturing and exports, they have to be redeployed away from what

they're currently doing. And it's very possible that redeploying to manufacturing and exports will make that capital less productive. After all, there's a reason that this capital is not deployed in manufacturing today. And less productive use of capital in the United States means that the country gets poorer, not richer.

Another difficulty that the US will face in trying to grow its way out of high debt is that its aging population and low birth rate means that the working age population is in decline. And without immigration, there will be no one to work in all of the factories that Trump's tariffs are supposed to bring

back on shore. Despite the claims that Elon Musk would be able to slash $2 trillion of wasteful government spending by eliminating waste, fraud and abuse, the DOGE website is now only claiming $170 billion in savings, much of which has been disputed, as many of the contracts that DOGE claimed to have cancelled had either already been cancelled or would never have cost as much as DOGE are claiming.

Researchers from the BBC could only verify 32 1/2 billion dollars from the wall of receipts, which had less than 2% of what was promised. Doesn't do much to balance the budget. According to CBS, there are offsetting costs of $135 billion when you add up the cost of rehiring mistakenly fired workers, defending lawsuits, layoff packages, and so on. Reductions in government spending can be fact checked by going to the Treasury Department

website, where they publish U.S. government monthly spending data broken down by agency and program. Despite the big claims, total federal spending is about 7% higher over the last two months than it was during the same months a year ago. So no cost cutting has shown up in the data so far. Most of the research I can find shows that governments only cut spending in response to a crisis, and the problem with that is that these forced spending cuts can be indiscriminate and make a

financial crisis worse. The problem is that politicians love borrowing and spending because the paying back comes in somebody else's term. Since the turn of the Millennium, interest rates started out low and fell lower and during that period of declining interest rates, governments have grown addicted to borrowing and spending, which they got away with because the low interest rates meant that economies could outgrow the interest rate on the debt.

With US 30 year rates above 5% and anti growth policies being pitched by politicians, this becomes a lot more difficult. Trump's tariffs could of course cause problems in other countries too. According to JP Morgan research, the impact of the trade war will be focused on the US, but the rest of the world will not be immune to the damage. They say that the trade war could reduce global GDP by 1%.

In a world with such elevated levels of government debt, lower growth can only be expected to make the situation worse. In its October Fiscal Monitor report, the IMF warned about the enormous surge in public debt over the last five years, with the global debt to GDP ratio now 10 percentage points above its level on the eve of the pandemic. Their research showed countries with debt that was not expected to stabilize accounted for more than half of global debt and

about 2/3 of world GDP. The UK, Brazil, France, Italy and South Africa were among the countries where debt was expected to continue rising. They said that in countries where debt is projected to increase further, delaying action will make the required adjustments even larger. And they called for cumulative fiscal adjustment tax rises, or spending cuts of 3% to 4 1/2% of GDP to bring down debt across

the world. They added that government spending to fund the transition to greener energy, together with aging populations and security concerns, were likely to add fiscal pressures over the coming years. Government may wish to inflate away the debt in the coming years where they allow high inflation to reduce the real value of their outstanding debt. But higher inflation, as we've seen in recent years, is very unpopular and can lead to governments being thrown out of office.

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