Pastors' Perspective - 06/13/2025

888-564-6173. You can send your questions in online and we'll read them here and answer them, but the best way to get an answer is to call us today till 4 at 888-564-6173. We've got Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa here today to answer those questions that you're going to call to ask at 888-564-6173. Hey guys, how you doing? Well, we're doing well. I was supposed to be here last Friday, but I had Grandma duty.

Oh, no, you did not. You had construction duty. Oh construction duty duty that's right over the installment I I came to the radio when you were doing all the construction work hard hats the way it goes around our place, yeah. Honey, don't want people to believe that, so let's just say, just kidding. That's not far from the truth. Yeah, sure, we'll attest to that. That you do the construction around the house and I,

I love to build. I love I love tools. I was telling him I just went to the most amazing place, Harbor Freight. It's all tools. Yeah. Oh my goodness, it's so fun just to walk the aisles and look at those tools. I just get like like cold sweats when I drive by it. I'm like, oh my gosh, don't make me go in there. Father's Day used to always buy Brian tools and he always resented it, but I was like, more for me, more for me.

In fact, we had one son, Braden, our youngest, when he was just like 2, his favorite thing were those um. Tool magazines like Home Depot, uh, advertisements that came in the mail and he would just look over and go, oh, you know, some kids like the toy catalogs, not him. He liked the tool catalog gotta love a kid like that. Totally. These are, these are the descendants of Chuck Smith. They really are. Well, Brian's grandpa was um. He built his own house. Well, he was a mechanic.

He was, yeah, and he built his own house. He did all that stuff from the from from the ground up, and he's still there. It's called the McDougal Mansion and thank God we live in a time where we didn't have to build our own houses. You would have Brian, I would have you such a nice house. But anyway, uh, yeah, so the McDougal Mansion is in, you know, it's in, um, Camarillo, but it's interesting because it's, I've never heard a two bedroom house called the mansion before,

but he did the plumbing, he installed the windows. He, he did everything he did everything and it was in an avocado orchard. Yeah, well, it's just for the record, we're slightly exaggerating my lack of involvement in these things slightly, but. Yeah, so he's like. No lack of involvement is that Brian can do it, but does he like it? Cheryl loves to do it and I'm like, oh my gosh, are you kidding? This

is what we're doing. So I love IKEA furniture. So if the kids got IKEA furniture, they call me up and then I bring Brian because I like to put it together, read the instructions and tell him, put this screw right here and this piece with. This piece and he'll be like, this piece with this piece. I'm like that piece with that piece just let's do it. She's following instructions. I never, yeah, no, he just looks at pictures, not instructions or suggestions. Well, isn't that true?

I don't remember my dad ever reading instructions. And and tell. You know, it didn't work out the 1st 5 attempts and then, you know, if all else fails, reads like asking for directions, you know, you're just kind of same thing. Get in the car and drive. Yeah, well, not anymore. Now we've got GPS. That's true all the fun out of it. All right, so here's a question that was sent in on our Facebook messenger, which is one of the ways you can get your question to us, but not the

best way. You should call us, 888-564-6173. Cathy and Paul wanna know if we know how the altar call originated. Brian. How did the altar call originate? Um, wasn't it with DL Moody? I think it was with Billy Sunday. Oh, OK, yeah, um, but it was pretty much with one of the um early evangelists from the 1800s. Yeah, so, so before like uh Finney came before Moody.

Uh, and during like the Finney revival period, and everybody knows who Finney is, yeah, Charles Finney, he was a revivalist and he in the United States, but he had people go to, um, what they would call an inquiry room, yeah, like an inquiry room and then they would, you know, further speak to people about their soul and, you know, so forth. And did Moody do that too? Well, something really interesting.

In Moody's like, the first altar call, so to speak, is it was always he would direct people to go to an inquiry room if they wanted to receive the Lord. But when he had gone to Cambridge, England, the students mocked him, and they were so awful. And why Ira Sankey was trying to sing, they started doing these, you know, warbly voices and shouting him down. And when Moody began to give his message about Jesus, they start going hee haw heehaw because you know Moody

had that strong Yankee accent having been from Chicago. So what DL Moody did is he got all the moms, he said you know they said DL Moody, do you know Mr. Moody, do you wanna. Leave Cambridge, he said, Absolutely not. I want you to gather me all the moms in Cambridge that you can find Christian moms, and we're going to meet here for a prayer meeting. So the next day he prayed with all these moms, and then he went back to that same assembly hall. Same people came, but he said, Do

you know what? Tonight the Lord's going to work, and I want them to have to walk down this middle aisle and for everybody to see them walk down the middle aisle, making a profession for Christ, and then we'll send them to the inquiry room. So as far as I know, that was like the first altar call and it kind of alluded to that in the book as far as having them come in front of everybody because of um.

It was a way to show true repentance for the way they had acted and to show the transformative power of the Lord, but I knew I know Billy Graham I mean always did altar calls and so did Amy Simple McPherson, who was a contemporary of uh Billy Graham she also did the altar calls, so yeah. Yeah, she was more of a contemporary of Billy Sunday actually because she was, you know, before Billy Graham, but yes, right, OK,

so that's the answer. That's the answer. Charles Finney, the inquiry room, DL Moody forcing the bratty kids in Cambridge to walk down the aisle and the rest is history. Well, one of those bratty kids was CT Stud, who became a famous missionary to India and to Africa. Yeah. Cathy and Paul, thank you for sending in your question on Facebook, and now we're. And China, yeah, he got around. Here's Marissa, who is on her way to Arizona and

listening to us on FM 107.9. Hello, Marissa, thanks for calling in today. Thank you for taking my question. Yeah, and what is that question? I, I actually, I'm from California, but we moved back to Arizona and um the reason why I came back to California is because my only friend. Ended up passing this morning. Oh, I am so sorry, Marisa. Yeah, so my question is, she was a believer, um, but unfortunately she was a slave to her addiction. Um, I want to know. What happens to her.

She's, like I said, she was a believer. I, for years I've, I've been, you know, sharing the Lord. And I know she believed Um, what happens to her? You know, that's a, I just feel like the Lord's mercy is much greater than we realize. And I think he understands the powers of addiction. I'm not at all excusing addiction, but there are some people in this world who cannot handle life. It's just too hard for them. They have these heightened awareness. They feel

pain at a level that we would never know. And I think for them, I think that we have to rely on the mercy of God. Years ago, Brandon and I had a friend, and she also had a drug addiction. And she would be clean and then she would go back and um we by this time we were living in England and we received word that she had passed away and it was unsure whether she relapsed or whether uh it was just kind of a latent reaction to the drugs she had already done, but we heard she passed away.

And we were just both kind of just shaken by it and so sad because of the lost potential. And I remember I was inside the supermarket and as I was coming out, these snowflakes were falling. It was April and snowflakes, April 15th, snowflakes were falling and they were the size of silver dollars. They were huge, and they were so soft, and I felt like the spirit of the Lord said to me, she's safe and she's with me. I've got her now.

And I remember climbing in the car and Brian said to me, he was waiting for me, he said, did you see those snowflakes? And I said, Yes, I did. He said, I just feel like the Lord is saying that, you know, our friend is safe and with Jesus. And it was interesting because we were both prompted by this spirit and I was like that's exactly what I felt the Lord was prompting me. So I think Marisa, remember God loved your friend or you know your.

Your daughter, her friend, her friend more than you ever could, and his mercies are new every morning, and they never cease. And so we fall back on the mercies of the Lord that he knew her weakness. He knew that she loved him, she knew that, you know, he knew that she wanted to be free of this addiction. So I think at this point, but even, even if she was backsliding and not obeying his words, she can

still get to heaven. Well, you know, we don't know what happened and what transactions went in those last moments. But what I like to do is when I don't know, I always fall back on the mercies of God. When I don't know, when in doubt, fall back on the mercies of God. Yeah, and, and one other thing, so, you need to just think in terms of salvation is, um, it's a permanent thing. It's, you don't get salvation and then lose salvation. Even though you can have salvation but be out of

fellowship with God because of sin. So, you know, when you, when you receive Christ, you become a child of God you're um you're brought into this relationship. Now the relationship has the fellowship component to it. The the relationship remains, but the fellowship component can um be interfered with salvation. Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that you can lose your salvation. Um, you

can lose your life like she did. You can actually cut your life short, um, but Uh, you know, think, think of it in in a little bit more of a human sense, you know, say you have a child and, and your child is your child regardless, but say you're estranged from your child and everything you've tried to get that to be sorted out, reconciled, it just doesn't work, um, that they remain your child, but they're not in fellowship with you.

And so I think there's something that we can transfer over to our relationship with God that you can, you can have the relationship, you're a child of God, but you can, your fellowship can be interfered with through, through sin. So, um, like Cheryl said, I think just. You know, in the end, you don't know 100% where she was at, but rather than be fearful that she's not with the Lord, just rest in God's goodness and mercy. Marissa, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective,

and we are so sorry for your loss. 888-564-6173 is our number, and now we're gonna go to San Pedro. Here is Pete. Thank you for calling us today, Pete. Yeah, thank you, Brian Perez and, uh, thank you, Brian and Cheryl, my favorite couple. You always managed to encourage me in some way, and you did today. Cheryl was like more of the, do the things, you know, construction or whatever around the house. That's the way my wife was, you know, she went to heaven 3.5 years ago. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, and she's also my, our spiritual leader. So I just want to, you know, say thank you both always. And my question is, um, someone was, my nephew was trying to tell me that Solomon is in hell. Now, I don't believe that, but I just wanted to see what, what you think.

I don't think he is um and I think Brian's looking up in Ecclesiastes because Ecclesiastes is kind of Solomon's testimony in that book he's kind of saying every other pursuit that I did left me empty, and this is my advice at the end he says serve God. So Brian, you've got the scripture right there in Ecclesiastes,

and that's his final testament, yeah, yeah. So the 12th chapter of Ecclesiastes like Cheryl said, you know, uh, Solomon is rehearsing his life in the previous chapters and talking about how he pursued this, that and the other thing and the emptiness in all of it. And then he comes to the final portion and he says, um, The the conclusion of the matter. is the way he puts it, he says, um, fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man's all.

For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil. So this is the conclusion of the matter. So it sounds to me like we're talking about somebody who, yes, he did indeed, backslide, turned away from the Lord was, was actually, you know, disciplined by God for that. Uh, with his sons and the monarchy and so forth. But it seems that he did return and now he advises everyone to make sure they do the same. OK.

OK, thank you. That's a great answer, and you are always a blessing. All right, well, tell your nephew to read Ecclesiastes 12, and um I think that should help him. Pete, thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective, and now let's go to Arizona. Here is Ron who's watching us on YouTube. Hi there, Ron, thanks for calling in today. Good afternoon, Pastors uh Brian and Cheryl. In Romans 1 verses 18 through 20. It says that the wrath of God is revealed from heaven.

And then it says in verse 20 the invisible things of him and the creation of the world are clearly seen. How exactly do unsave people See the invisible things and how is the wrath of God revealed. Right, the wrath of God, it says the wrath of God is being presently revealed against all the ungodliness and

unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And so as, as Paul goes on there in that section, what you, what you realize is that the wrath of God is um being manifested in the consequences of the behavior of the people. So the wrath of God begins with God allowing people to have their own way, have their own way, and then they have to live with the consequences of having

their own way. So that's the beginning of the wrath of God, and we know that there's a point in history that is yet ahead of us, where there will be a full direct demonstration of the wrath of God upon those who have rejected him, but we haven't.

We haven't come there yet thankfully. I think you said that right now we've got a kind of like the consequential wrath of God where it's just God gives us up to the um the results of our devices, you know, of the of our choices he lets us make these bad choices and live with the consequences. But the wrath of God that is coming, let's say in the tribulation is of a whole different nature, different, yeah, so this is more this is sort of an indirect

path of God versus the wrath. But part of it, I mean, you look at this, they're burning with lust. There there's no satisfaction, and I believe that's part of the wrath of God that no matter what they do, there's no satisfaction now. Um, Brian knows this, and a lot of people who have listened to Brian preach before know that I am a true crime aficionado. I just, you know, I love these true crime programs, books, which is why it kind

of scares me when Brian's not on time. I'm like, oh no, she finally got him. I'm joking. She snapped, snapped exactly. But I love books by Ann Rule. I just, she was my favorite. But one of the things that you see is that these people who, when they finally get caught, their lives have not been prosperous after a crime.

They've been living with this shame, this guilt, they've been trying to hide, they've been on the run, and a lot of the people, the narcissists, the egotist, I mean, they're so upset when they get caught and when the guilty verdict comes down, they're like, what, what, what? Uh, there's actually a scripture in Proverbs that says the um wicked does not understand justice, and I think that, you know, uh, a lot of it, the wrath can be the delusion.

Um, that they're so delusional and they don't think straight anymore. I mean there are all sorts of consequences that we cannot see and then I think when you were talking about the invisible attributes I would say gravity is an invisible attribute. We live with laws that we cannot violate.

And in violate laws like the laws of physics that we are so dependent on the uh the, you know, oxygen is a law in itself and so we live with these things and doesn't anyone stop to think like wait a second, what if I didn't have oxygen? You know, what if the plants stopped doing the photosynthesis, they're living by rules and because the plants and the trees abide by these rules of absorbing the sun and taking carbon dioxide, mixing it together and um.

And chlorophyll and producing oxygen we can breathe and you know pollution after a while it you know we've got radiation we've got some of I think radiation is a great result of man's sin that we've got, you know, these additives and foods and now people are saying well cancer comes from.

These additives that we've added to food, so I, I think again it's these laws of nature that govern us that we know and those are some of the invisible uh attributes and, and Paul says that the invisible attributes are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made. So the argument is simply that there there where there's a design, there's a designer, where there's a creation, there's a creator.

So you can't look at nature. If you look at nature and decide this is just a product of natural processes, this is, you know, based on like evolutionary, uh, theory, those kinds of things, this is what Paul as he's going on there, he's talking about um how, how people professing to be wise became fools because the evidence is right in front of them, but they won't.

Um, receive the clear message that's being communicated that where there's a creation, there is a creator, where there's a design, there is a designer. And where there's law, there's a lawgiver. There's a lawgiver. Hey, Ron, does this help you? Is it also possible, Pastor Brian, that examples in the past could be what Paul was talking about, such as the flood of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed.

Yeah, as a matter of fact, when you look at Romans chapter one, I think what happens sometimes is we, um, we try to look at it, you know, very specifically in maybe say our own context, sometimes in history it really would fit and other times you'd say, well, I don't, I don't know, I don't see much of that in. Society, but I think what Paul is describing there is he's, he's ultimately describing where every society, civilization, people end up

when they reject the knowledge of the true God. So this is a, a cyclical thing, this happened, this is repeated over and over again in history because this describes Paul's day, this describes what you said, you could go back to Sodom and Gomorrah, that's a description of Sodom and Gomorrah as well. And it now describes um much of the world in our day as well, so. Ron, thanks for your phone call, and now we're gonna go to Evan who is calling in from Los Angeles

listening on FM 107.9. The number to call, by the way, 888-564-6173. We've got a little over a half hour left, so call in. Hi, Evan, how can we help you today? Hi, Pastor, thanks for taking my call. Um, I have a question regarding mediums and spirits. Um, my sister lost her son and husband, and she was told like That there's this medium or whatever that they can, you know,

the dead can communicate through these mediums. So she actually went to this conference in San Diego and, you know, it's a bunch of people and the lady walked around and um started talking about You know, my, my brother-in-law and my nephew didn't say the names, but it was clearly them and was was even able to tell her how they passed, which was only available in a corners report things like that. So I was wondering, are these things legitimate? Is it biblical, demonic?

Can you kind of give your insight on that? I would think it was demonic. I mean, the demons know they saw. They can pick up on that the mediums are they're talking to spirits they're talking to strange spirits and remember the spirits, the demons, their whole thing is to get you away from God and so I think that they no doubt knew the situation and they told her um.

You know, years ago my mom before she married my dad, my mom was adopted and she was with some friends and she went to a carnival where they went to see a medium and the medium told this other couple who, uh, she was with a guy and a girl who weren't interested in each other at all and she said, you know, in 5 years' time you two will get married and you know such and such and she looked at my mom and she said.

And my mom wasn't even walking with the Lord at the time, but she said the lady's face just turned just this like, like she hated my mom, and she said there's gonna be nothing for you, nothing good, nothing will ever happen with you. You're nothing and just lit into my mom and my mom later reflecting on that really said it was so demonic and even at the time she thought, you know, this is, this is awful.

And later, you know, my mom was just a huge component in the Jesus revolution and everything that happened and my mom lived one of the most uh godly joyous uh exciting lives of anyone I ever knew. And so she, she looked back on that and that couple that she was with, they actually did get married and so she was like it was so weird that she could know this and she really felt that was, it was so.

Um, demonic and it's a dangerous thing because Satan's a seductor, you know, and he's gonna draw you in and he'll say a little bit of truth and then surround it with a bunch of lies and you know with Eve he's like, did God say you couldn't eat of all the trees in the garden? Like he knew that there was one prohibition, but he was, he was playing uh with her with a little bit of truth. And a lot of lies. Brain, you've got a scripture there, I see. Yeah, I think um this would be a good place

to to point your sister. Leviticus chapter 20, it says, um, It's, it's talking about the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, and then it says to prostitute themselves. And he's talking more here about someone who's giving themselves over as a as a medium or, you know, something to that effect. But then he goes on and he says, a man or a woman who is a medium or has a familiar spirit, this is how severe this is.

He says they shall surely be put to death. Now, of course, this was under the law, and that's not the same, um. Kind of penalty today, but nevertheless, the point is these are evil spirits that people are contacting and God is prohibiting that. So, um, like Cheryl said, um, now there, there's a possibility that this person is actually um a very clever and um. You know, it just has, has gotten this whole thing down, you know, if somebody comes, they have to register or

something like that, they get information about them. These kinds

of things have happened over and over again. Uh, even with fake Christian ministries, there's a, a person years ago who used to go around an audience and he would, you know, walk up to somebody and tell them everything about themselves and what was actually happening is they had Uh, information on the person that somebody was feeding into his ear at the time, and he was acting like he was prophetically speaking to them and, you know, he

was busted and uh exposed. So, but this, this is the same kind of thing that's quite common with mediums and spiritist as well. But like we're saying, scripture does warn that there is a real danger with real evil spirits, so you don't wanna go down that road. Evan, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective. We're gonna take a break now and then we'll be

back with more of your questions. 888-564-6173. Richard we'll talk to you when we come back first, and everyone else who wants to call in, you've got about 30 minutes left. 888-564-6173 is our number. We've got Brian and Cheryl Broderson from Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa here. If you're watching us online, call in if you've got a question. It's nice to see you guys chatting there amongst each other, but if you wanna chat with us. We'd love to chat with you too. 888-564-6173.

We're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number. I'm Brian Perez here with Brian Broderson and Cheryl Broderson from Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Right before the break, we were talking to Evan who was wondering about mediums and Consulting them, uh, to talk to the dead and everything else, and, uh, reminded me of an article that I recently read that said that 25% of Christians I astrology, tarot cards, and

fortune tellers. What would you guys make of that? Well, it said mainly for fun. True, mainly for fun, but even for fun, is it OK to Like I said, I had growing up in the church, I had friends who thought that stuff was funny and fun, um, no, we don't recommend it. My parents said you stay away from that and don't you do it and I wouldn't. But you know, I was thinking though back to Evan

how seductive the devil is. He knows our weaknesses, you know, it tells us in Ephesians chapter 6 that he strategizes, you know, seeking, uh, I'm sorry, it was in Peter that first Peter tells us he strategizes he goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he can devour, and we're told that he has schemes, the schemes of the wicked one in Ephesians chapter 6, and what you see is a lion.

Looks for the most vulnerable in a pack. They look for vulnerabilities limping is there, you know, it's interesting today I was walking and I saw a coyote and I didn't have my dog with me and I was really glad I didn't. He's a big guy, but he's got a limp right now. He's got a paw that's hurt and I thought, you know, the coyote would have tracked us because he would have seen that limp and considered, you know, Barnabas to be vulnerable. Don't say your dog's name.

The coyote might be listening. Now he's gonna know. Yeah. Well, my dog's hanging out with a roadrunner, so I think we're going to be OK, but. Anyway, the whole thing is you just think about how Satan knows how or the demonic powers know how vulnerable this woman is and how much she loved her husband

and how much she loved your son. And this, this kind of thing has happened over and over, especially in these kinds of contexts where there's grief and longing and so, well, you know, your, your husband, your son, you know, they just want you to know that they're actually doing really well. And then they come with some, yeah, they come up with some something that'll sort of and you had you had a dog you must no, a cat, right, that's it. Yes, I'm sorry he had said cat. I, I just got

it mixed up, yeah, that kind of stuff. But you know, I, I wanna, I wanna say this again that it, you know, the wicked wicked try they take. Are virtues and they try to use that, you know, as vulnerabilities you know I I was reading that Ted Bundy would always fake a broken arm so that you know these young victims would think that he was helpless and needed help and he would play on people's sympathies

to um take advantage and hurt them. Remember the Good Samaritan scam years ago where people were pulling off on the side of the road and putting their. Hoods up on their car and a good Samaritan would pull over and they would mug them sometimes kill them and drive off in their car. It was a different way of doing carjackings and it was something that was

going on. I think it was in the 60s and 70s that that was going on and they called it the Good Samaritan ploy, you know, or you know, I think of uh. These older people, um, we know a woman who somebody called and said.

Grandma, and this woman said her grandson's name and it's like, yeah, you know that's who I am and I need help and so she ended up wiring, uh, was it $5000 3000 dollars to um the scam artist, you know, so I mean they're gonna take, so that's why we've got to be aware, you know, Paul said, you know, yeah, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but it gets spiritual powers. And high places and we need to be discerning.

We need to be smart, and I think those kind of things, even if they're just for fun, they dull your sys they dull your senses, and I think they leave you more vulnerable because if you say, oh, it's just for fun, there's nothing to it, you're not realizing who you're dealing with that you're playing cards with a monster, you know, with a devouring beast. 888-564-6173. Richard in Costa Mesa listening on the Kwave app. Hello,

I love Char. He's such a great teacher, and I love the fact that he is in essence, you know, a direct descendant of Pastor Chuck, and that just gives me, you know, I think he's a great teacher. I like a lot of the things about Calvin. I think you guys should be super proud.

looks like my dad. He looks, he's a thin version of my dad, but even when he was a baby, I remember when my dad first held char and I said, What do you think, Dad? And he said, I feel like I'm looking in a mirror. And I just think, you know, looking back now you see wow, was that prophetic, you know, so thank you so much and we feel the same we just, we love hearing him preach we just sit on the edge of our seats. I take notes I just absolutely uh.

I think he's one of the most tremendous Bible teachers I've ever heard in my entire life. And I'm saying that with total uh non-prejudice, non-bias. And you can hear Char every Sunday morning at 11 o'clock here on Kwave if you can't be there in person at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. So, uh, what's your question for us today, Richard?

My question is, And teaching her how to give to God's work. I wanna, I wanna be able to, what I do is I give part of my tithe to the church and part of my tithe to organizations that kind of work with what Jesus said. Jesus said things like, when I was hungry, you fed me when I was sick. He visited me and all these different things and there's tons of parent organizations that do those things. My question is.

How should believers, in your opinion, right, or maybe what the Bible says, how should believers give. Um, their, their money or God's money to the different things that are available to give.

the word so there's a certain obligation we have to the place I think to tithe to the place or to give to the place where we fellowship and we're investing in it. We're saying I'm a part of this. I'm invested in that and I think that's good. But I also think that there's a place to give uh to other ministries, and Brian and I have for years, uh, we'll choose one usually a year and we'll give to that one, during the year. uh, my son-in-law had a church in New York and we were uh tithing, uh,

we were tithing partially to that church too. And so we usually choose kind of something like that, like, uh, Compassion International or a ministry like.

That uh Johnny Ericson Tatter or something like that to also uh give to we've we've given to uh voice of the refugees we try to we don't give to the same one year after year we we kind of like to just pray and see where we both feel led to give and he'll come to me and say, you know, I really feel like we should give to this missionary couple and so we'll do that or he'll say, I think we should give to this church. It's a startup, let's do that so.

Um, we've done that for years. So I think Richard, you're right on the money, so to speak. T Richard, thanks for your phone call today. Did you have anything to add, Brian? No, no. OK, Richard, thanks for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective. We've got another question about Solomon, uh, that was sent in on Facebook, uh, Facebook Messenger. This is from Luce, who asks what happened to the manna and Aaron's staff that they were mentioned during Solomon's time.

Yeah, they weren't mentioned during, I don't think Solomon's time, but they were mentioned that they were in the ark um in Exodus. Those are what Moses put in, um, some people think that when it went to Philistine territory, that that might have been when they were removed or that maybe when they were at the house of uh Oed Edom or uh remember there's a story of like the whole Israeli town.

Um, they didn't they die because they looked into the ark and a lot of people think at that point they took the rod and they took the manna, so that's pretty much how the, you know, nobody knows though, yeah, there is a passage that that. It, I don't know if it's in the profits or but it talks about what was left from that and the Aaron's rod was not there and it was like, yeah, it just the 10 commandments, yeah, and that, yeah, the tablets and then there was maybe the um.

The Jerome? No, no, yeah, here we go, yeah, 1 Kings 8:9. Nothing was in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there. Look at that. Our resident, well, Luce had put that in his, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, well,

that's it. So like, um, but again, um, when the ark was taken by the Philistines, some people believe that's when those items were taken out and I don't think the Philistines would have known at all what they were or those people in Israel, you know, and you know think about it like even in Israel when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the the shepherd that found them, um, the first person he sold it, he tore up the Dead Sea Scrolls and was selling them in fragments.

They had been like a whole scroll, and he started cutting them up and selling them in fragments, not as like ancient, ancient, you know, manuscripts like, oh wow this is cool. Who was this? The the kid or the, you know, the shepherds that found in order we can get more money if we cut it out and sell more. And so I think probably what happened even in that day is they said, oh, we can sell relics.

From the Ark of the Covenant and you've got to remember at that time too, you know, David's trying, uh, this is during Saul's time and Israel is not fully committed to the Lord during Saul's reign. They've got some strange ideas in fact, even Saul has some strange ideas, even kills the priest, so it's not a good time spiritually for Israel. So, um, you consider that would have been the time when, uh, those men in that city died and they probably.

Well, it says they looked into the ark, so that might have or they might have disintegrated those items when oxygen hit the ark when they, you know, took the lid off it could be that they disintegrated with the uh. With the air that that got it, there's all sorts of speculation, and that's all we're doing is speculating, isn't it, right? That's all we're doing that's all Cheryl's doing integration theory, that's a new one, but, um, OK, yep, let's uh

move on to the conference. Let's yes, yes, we have, as we have mentioned many times, we have a great, great ministry leaders conference coming up a little bit later this month, but it's coming quickly.

It's going to be the 22nd to the 25th of this month, June, and it is going to be held at Reliance Church in Temecula, California, and the theme is the way forward, the ministry according to Jesus, and we've got a great, great lineup of uh main session, uh, teachers going through that uh portion of scripture, John 13 to 17. And then we've got tons of great seminars and workshops for virtually every aspect of ministry in the church. So

Cheryl's teaching. Cheryl is teaching a workshop, she's doing a work on the way forward. Yeah. So anyway, um, conference. Calvary Chapel.com, you can get all of the information there. You can see the speakers, see the topics and so forth, and come out and join us. It's gonna be a great time. Yes, indeed, conference. Calvary Chapel.com. Here's another question that was sent in online. My name is Gloria. I would like to know what does it look like to observe the Sabbath.

Brian, you know, um, speaking of our ar. He did a couple of different um messages on what the Sabbath observances in our day should look like or be like. Yeah, yeah, those are, you can find them at CCCM.com. There's uh those, those were actually really good messages too. I, I think, you know, there's no obligation to keep the Sabbath today and um yet we recognize that it is something that God gave us a gift.

And yet each person really needs to come up with their own way of doing that, you know, for some people, 11 thing is restful for another person that's like, oh no, that that's really, I don't, I don't really get any rest from that. I get rest from this. So it's the idea though of ceasing from your normal activity, or normal labor. And giving time to just being refreshed, giving time to reflect, giving time to spend. Some extra, uh, hours with the Lord, you know, family,

those kinds of things. So there's a lot of different ways. It's very individualistic in one sense. And Gloria, I found those messages on the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa website, CCCM.com. Click on media, and then scroll down to March 16th and March 23rd of this year. March 16th, Jesus, Lord of Sabbath, King of Mercy, and, uh, March 23rd, Jesus, the Lord of Sabbath rest. So check those out. And he did one last year too, in May called Sabbath Rest. He really likes the Sabbath. He

likes the Sabbath, yes. All right, Gloria, thanks for calling in. And we've got a follow-up call here from Joe, who uh called a while ago from Riverside watching us on YouTube. Joe, hi there. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. Hi Brian. Hi, Carol. Hi Pastor Brian. Hi Joe. Yeah, I just wanted to let you know that you're uh Sheryl, you changed my life a long time ago when you were talking about to read part of the of.

Uh, any of the, uh The four Gospels to incorporate that in your, in your Bible study, you said that a long time ago. Mhm. And, and I, and I did, and it just totally changed. I don't know how to explain it, but it just changed everything. I started doing it every single time. And I mean, it's like. Something big happens, you know, with my, with my time with God, my, you know, Bible study by my devotion. I agree. I still do it. I still read a portion of the gospel. In fact, I was in John

chapter 4 this morning. Um, I was at with the woman, well, you know, it becomes such, I, I tell Brian sometimes it's like going to my favorite restaurant and you just walk in, you're like, Oh, I love this place. I love the ambiance. I know exactly what I want to order.

I just love this place and I feel like sometimes when the gospels become So familiar in that in that regard that you're like, oh I love this one, you know, I just finished Luke so I was on the road to Emmaus and I think Luke chapter 24 is one of my favorite chapters in the whole Bible. But I still do it and I'll do it for the rest of my life because I feel like it just keeps me close to Jesus and reminds me who Jesus is so I'm not falling for, you know, these

crazy wacky ideas about who Jesus is. It's like, no, I, I know him. I, I walk with him every day, you know, we were just, you know, and Cana yesterday in Samaria today, you know, I, I know him. So that is so great, Joe. I am so excited. So are you in Vermont? No, I'm in Riverside. Oh, Riverside. OK, I just saw VT afterwards, so I was like, wait, is there a Riverside's. No, it's YouTube. YouTube. YouTube. OK. All right. Yeah, we just ask people when they call in how it is that

they're listening or watching. OK, now I'm I'm so tee, thanks for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective, and it is good. Uh, to spend time in the Gospels because like with these one year Bibles, these one year reading plans, and there's nothing wrong with them if, if that's, if that works for you, great. Go get Chery going on that. Uh oh, yes, well, we've only got a few minutes left, so, but like for me it it that means you're only

reading the Gospels once a year. That just doesn't seem like, you know, I, I've tried the one year Bible and everything dried up for me spiritually, um. And then I find like if you, you know, if you miss a day or you miss two days, which sometimes happens with busyness, then you're reading 20 chapters at one sitting and how much are you really getting? Because you're trying to catch up then and you're always trying to play catch up or I had a woman say, oh,

I just skip those chapters and just move on. I'm not those, I can't. I'm not a person who can skip. I have to go A, B, C, D. It's the way I, I function and so for me it just became so absolutely frustrating and I felt like I was doing an Evelyn Woods dynamic and I have friends who love the one

in your Bible. They do it every year and they get so much out of it and I have some people that, you know, they journal and they do it, but you have to have for me because I'm a. Brian knows I, I have to like go deep and I like to, you know, sometimes I get stuck on one word like why that word and what is that word in the Greek and what are some different translations and where is it found, you know I like to I like to really. Uh, do deep, deep dives in the word of a

God and so just reading through it, it's hard for me. We, we tried because our church actually did it together and so I thought, you know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do that part, um, auditory. So I did the, uh, is it the you version and I did it through the U version. That's how I was able to, but even so, I did get behind and then I was listening to 40 chapters. I'm like, no, not again. So I think I fell behind by March. It's like crazy.

My life gets so busy. Every February, life gets crazy. This last February it was New Zealand and usually it's England, so it's just a crazy time to try to keep up with something like that. And that's when it just becomes legalistic and wrote and you're just like, are you really reading to read and you know, it's interesting because I'm in Proverbs right now. I'm also in Proverbs and I'm in First Timothy and I'm in the gospels always but in Proverbs, he's always

saying get understanding. He says get wisdom. Wisdom is not information, it's the application of knowledge. Knowledge by itself, as Paul said, knowledge puffs up but love edifice. So some people look at the Bible and it's just a source of information. It's all about, you know, um, being informed and knowing when what happened and that. But for those of us who go deep, it's, it's, it's a, it's not just about the information, it's about how that information is in me, in my heart.

And it's become wisdom and is being worked out through my words, through my actions, you know, how the Holy Spirit is taking residency. Brandon and I were talking about this, that the word of God, God's word is not a means in itself and it's not the end. It's a means to get into a deep relationship with God and to know God and to know Jesus. So if you're in the gospels and you're getting to know Jesus like he's your friend.

And you know him so well and it becomes more and more and more personal that's that's the goal of the Bible to make us more like Jesus because we know him so well and so um we were talking about that because we feel like there's a lot of people who specialize in chapter by chapter verse by verse, but they don't understand the the whole message of the Bible because you know Paul says the end.

Of the law is love and we know a lot of people that know a lot of information they could tell you all about their particular tree, but they cannot tell you about the forest and they definitely don't love the other trees. And so it's like I think you might be missing the forest. This is the best tree right here. We're just gonna stare at this one, just this one. We like the way the branches are. The other branches are crooked. We don't like, you know, we don't like the birds in the other trees.

But you know we're a forest and you know it's unity and the forest has an ecosystem and they they help each other and so um we need the Bible's got a united message. All right, before we go, let's, um, I'm gonna pray for the situation in Israel and Iran and all of that. So Father, we, we just want to give this to you, Lord, obviously you know way more about everything than we do. Uh, we think of friends that we have in Israel today, and we think of the fact that, you know, missiles

are coming in and all of that. So Lord, we pray for your protection. Uh, Lord, we pray for the Iranian people, uh, for your protection over them as well. We pray that this, uh, regime that has caused so much, uh, evil and, um, trouble, turmoil in the world would be removed, and we pray for. Uh, a new day of liberty for the Iranian people, but Lord, the whole thing is, you know, you know what it is, so we just thank you that you are the, the God of the universe and that you

are sovereign over all things. So we just want to mention this to you today and commit it to you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. And that's all the time we have on today's pastor's perspective. We'll see you at church this Sunday. Service times at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa are at 8:30 and 11 o'clock. We would love to see you come out. You can get more information, the address and everything at CCCM.com, and we'll talk to you again on Pastor's perspective on Monday.

Have a great weekend. God bless. Bye bye.