Defending the Indefensible

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What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How you feeling today, Rob? Doing good man. Fun shows out in Stanford and uh looking sh looking forward to the big Chicago weekend. Oh, that's right. This weekend, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, we will be out in Chicago. Uh always, always one of my favorite weekends of the year is uh is going to Chicago. Great comedy, great comedy town.

Um, so yeah, come on out to that, comicdavesmith.com for the ticket links. And yes, like you said, fun, fun time in Stamford. Thank you to everybody uh who came out. We had a great time out there. And yeah. And here we go. And man, who is there a lot to talk about? But before we even get into the news, Rob.

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I I just tell you that you will be you will be wiped off the face of the map, never to be seen from again. Okay. So that's the okay, now you might be thinking, what if what if that doesn't work? And that guy just keeps coming toward me. Well then I extend the deadline. to when you're totally obliterated. Like I go, I'll give you another two weeks, but I'm gonna totally obliterate you. And then if that doesn't work and you keep coming toward me, I I just punch myself in the face.

Before you can do it, I just start punching myself in the face. And I go, You're not beating me up because I'm beating me up. So it's kind of foolproof if you think it through. Yeah, who's gonna who's gonna continue that fight after that? Ultimatums and beating yourself up? At that scenem fight club when he starts kicking the shit out of himself. It is what a dude, I can't I I mean, look, I will I will grant.

'Cause I've I've been fairly accurate in a lot of predictions about this current uh state of this conflict. I did not think the news coming into Monday would be that the US has closed the Strait of Harmos. That one that one took me by surprise a little bit. So let's let's get into all of this. Um So of course, over the weekend, um there was uh the there was a twenty what they were saying was a twenty-one hour.

uh negotiation meeting um between ha you know Iranian officials and and uh Steve Whitkoff, Jared Kushner and the vice president and their team. Uh twenty one hours, by the way. That's a long time to negotiate anything. Jazz, a long time to just have a conversation. Twenty one hours. Well What's so absurd about it? Is that amidst the uh red lines of the United States of America was whether or not Iran could even enrich uranium.

So the idea that they went into a twenty one hour talk of basically JD Vance being like, All right, so you admit that we won the war and they're like, Well, no. And how do you do that for twenty one straight hours? For twenty one straight hours, the United States went in with the exact same red lines that were unagreeable before this war even started, which included no enriched uranium, can't uh can't back the proxies anymore.

which we declare uh being the uh largest state sponsors of terrorism. Uh gotta get actually I don't know if the ballistic missile program was in there, but Just the idea that you were going into this with no enriched uranium, so the United States of America was making zero concessions after, you know, this disaster of a war for six straight weeks, and you thought that Iran was just gonna m concede can you know, concede on these points, it's ridiculous.

Uh it's unbelievable, dude. And and just to be clear here,'cause I think what you just hit on is like the most important point about all of it. It's like, wait a minute, these are the things they wouldn't concede before the war. So you thought you were in a position to come go, Well, now you gotta concede it. And they're like, No, no, no. Now you gotta concede some stuff. And so

It's it is kind of strange that it negotiations could even happen. And then of course, you know, the big thing that the Iranians have been talking about since then is like that they don't trust the Americans. And I think that really yeah, it's like we we attacked them twice in the middle of negotiating. So I think that's... You can't negotiate from there is crazy. I think that's why they brought the whole team and did it in person was so that they wouldn't be blown up during the negotiations.

and outing who was doing it. And I also I think you called it perfectly. I think Donald Trump just realized that he didn't want to have to blow up the entire country and that he was being uh they called his bluff. And so he just needed a way out on that. So he wanted to pretend that he was agreeing to their ten points and then go, Oh no, that was the other ten points. Let's get together.

And now it's a full forty eight hours later, everyone forgets that Donald Trump had that red line and he's going with a new crazy strategy, which is I'm gonna close the straights myself. But think about this, right? Because we'll get into that now in a second, get closing the street. But think about this. His response to, Oh, they're not willing to deal wasn't, well, I'm gonna take out all the bridges and tunnels, or excuse me, all the bridges and and power plants, which was the original threat.

But then obviously he realized that was a totally empty threat. I'm not but instead we're gonna blockade this. And like, you know, again, it just it really is just so buffoonishly incoherent the whole thing. But the other point that I just wanted to make sure to add in there, because it's this is really important, is that The the zero enriched uranium thing was the was always that was the Israeli demand.

That wasn't the American demand. This whole thing kicked off, including the 12 day war, all of this conflict, this whole dude, it it's really like you can't even like when you actually like understand the sequence of events here. This whole thing is all over that. The the whole thing, dude, they were in the JCPOA.

They were in an agreement about nick nuclear enrichment. They were willing to uh the uh they when uh the US was in the deal after Obama got the deal, they were down to like three and a half percent or whatever it is. It was somewhere between three and four percent, whatever you got to enrich for an energy program. Something like that. Then Donald Trump tears the deal up in twenty eighteen, but they're still in the JCPOA all up till the twelve day war.

And even when Donald Trump said, hey, you guys are coming up to 60% enrichment here, let's negotiate back down to where you were, they were willing to negotiate that. It was only the dude, Rob, before the 12 day war. And this is maybe I c you know, I uh d double check me what the date was on this. It was I think maybe a couple months before the twelve day war, but it's on video. Whitkoff straight up said

It was about the levels of enrichment. And it was like, Oh, they were down at like three and a half percent before. Now they're up to sixty percent. We want'em back down to three and a half percent. Like that was the American demand going in. And then it was all that it was Israel and the lobby that insisted, no, Mr. President, you gotta be really, really tough and demand no enrichment at all. Give up your entire legal.

n civilian energy program. And they were like, no, we have a right to that. Um and you know, JD Vann said something about even conceding the other day that, well, yeah, technically they do have a right to that. Did you see that? I did not know that. I did not see that particular line, no.

So JD Vance goes, Ah, I'm not really interested in what they have a right to do. He goes, You know, my wife has a right to go skydiving, but we have an agreement that she won't do that because I don't want people jumping out of planes. I don't want my wife jumping out of a plane, you know? And it's like Yeah, dude, but the whole point of rights is that if she did that, you can't use violence against her for it.

Not that you guys can't have an agreement. And so in the same sense, like essentially he's conceding, yeah, yeah, yeah, Iran does have the right, like a non proliferation treaty member has the right. to a civilian nuclear energy program. But the question is, do we want them to do that or not? It's like, no, but you're violently attacking them for doing that. That's kind of different.

I think the other thing is uh I'm not friends with JD Vance. I don't know JD Vance. I don't particularly get along with JD Vance. If JD Vance told me that I wasn't allowed to go skydiving, and I said, Hey, I really like skydiving, I'm gonna go skydiving, and then he decided to murder my family and physically prevented me from going skydiving.

That's a different thing than you live with your wife and you've you kinda have to make compromises and make requests from them and they're gonna make requests from you and you both get along and uh have a With each other that it makes sense for someone to make an agreement to give up something that they'd like to do even though it's their right.

Uh when Iran is its own country and has an incentive to be autonomous and have a civilian nuclear infrastructure, yes, then you're asking them to give up something for absolutely no reason. And there's no reason for them to give it up. Right. And also again, if they have a right to do it, then you don't have a right to violently stop them from doing it. That's what rights mean. That's the essence of what the theory of rights uh is, like what you're limited from using violence.

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Um says it's about that enriched uranium. They they were not they were willing to c compromise on some other issues, but not on this one. And so uh as of course as we teased here, and as everyone paying attention knows. Donald Trump na then announced this kind of interesting uh military move where he says, Hey, all right, well then the US Navy is gonna blockade the Strait of Harmuz.

Um, they're claiming that uh they're gonna they're gonna stop and check every ship that's coming out of there. And essentially the game is here, right? Which is it's it's interesting in a way because So Me and you have been talking about quite a bit over the last couple weeks.

what is one of the really interesting dynamics that's emerging from this war, which is like, oh wait, like if Iran really is just now in control of the Strait of Hermoose, this makes them a global power. It gives them a a whole type of leverage on the international stage that they never had before. And Donald Trump essentially is admitting that, that that's really what the issue is here.

Shit, we can't just walk away from this where they get the say over who can come through the Strait of Hermoose or not. Now, of course, Donald Trump, as he constantly does, he is just contradicting himself left and right. I mean, it's like He can't get through a sentence without the end of it contradicting the beginning of that sentence because he's he already told you that the straight doesn't matter to us.

It's the rest of the world's problem and the rest of the world's responsibility. And he already told us that it would naturally open up. But of course, I guess what he meant by naturally open up is the US Navy blockading it. Anyway, now I don't know. Ma I I have not I don't think I've ever read about or seen like a blockade to counter a blockade before. I guess the game here is that Donald Trump will go, Well, hey.

You know, we can't stop you, but we can cut off our nose to spite your face, type of thing. Like we we could we certainly have the naval capabilities, I think. to say, Hey, if there's a ship that has biv been given permission by Iran to go through the strait, we're not letting you through. So now no one can get through. So Iran They ultimately control the decision to keep the thing all the way open.

Or all the way closed. We're denying them their middle ground of the straits open to who we say, but closed to who we say. And so of course. The Trump sycophans are out celebrating this as like a brilliant move that totally turned the tables that he's showing'em, you know, because somehow this is the art of the deal, Rob. This this is, you know, um

What 3D negotiating is really all about. What you do is you threaten total destruction of the civilization. Then you completely capitulate to all of their demands. Then you say, nah, we didn't capitulate to none of your demands. Then you do a completely different military action, which the targeted outcome for is exactly the opposite of what we all wanted. We wanted the straight open. Now we've got it completely closed. And they'll still go. Genius.

And dude, it's amazing to me watching people. It's it's sad in a way. It's like this sad desperation. Um Of these people who are like trying to defend Donald Trump and not much like with the war itself, the entire thing relies on literally, as as some of them will say in their own words.

Trust the plan. The whole thing is like, well, Trump did it, dude. He wouldn't do it unless he had s a genius plan. And the evidence of him having a genius plan is that he did it. So obviously there, and not a single one of them goes. Hey, talk me through how that works.

Talk me through the logistics like like this the same shit we were always saying about this war, saying for years about this war. Well, talk me through how this works. Now I just found, by the way, I'm gonna post this on social media later. I just found an article. that Scott Horton wrote in two thousand five. 2005

21 years ago. And you know what he predicted would happen if you went into Iran? Because they were talking about the the war, you know, invading Iran at the time. And he goes, they're gonna hit all our bases in the region and close the Strait of Hermuz. That's what Scott Horton said in two thousand five.

No, it's like I it's funny, dude, because, you know, forever, Rob, you know, people with the thing I always get from people, you know, you're not an expert. You're just a comedian. Who is this Scott Horton guy, you know, who you say is the best foreign policy guy in the country? Goes, Yep, that's right, that's him. Twenty one years ago, what Donald Trump thought was totally nobody had ever thought that this might happen. Well, actually, yeah.

Someone did. Many people did. But anyway, but just in terms of the logistics. Sorry, Rob, let me just say this and then and then you can go. In terms of the logistics, he goes the major issues here are okay, first of all, you're putting your navy off the coast of Iran. Okay, that is right well within range of their medium range intercontinental ballistic missiles. So that's issue number one.

They got all types of drones and and missiles left at this point. Clearly, they're still hitting targets. Now you just gave them a lot more targets. Okay. That's issue number one. Issue number two is that, okay, so let's say China or someone, you know, gets permission from the Iranians to go through the strait. We're now illegally in waters that do not belong to the United States of America going to start harassing, stopping, potentially even turning around other ship, Chinese ships. Okay, now.

We got a huge, you know, international issue here. But like you know what I'm saying? Like there's a what what when there's an Indian ship or a Chinese ship or or whoever, these are countries that have nuclear weapons that are sovereign nations that are, you know what I mean? That like So now you're gonna start flirting with an act of war against all of these other countries? all to try to get this thing opened again. Uh this is This is madness. Go ahead.

Sorry on on that last point, it's uh conceptually a little bit worse than that because Somebody could show up to the American blockade and say, Hey, I'm not filling up in Iran. I'm buying from this other country and go through and then come back to get checked and f turn out that they did clearly buy from Iran. And now what are you doing? You're blocking a Chinese ship into the Hormu Strait?

And uh in terms of flirting with the big problem, uh, you've got and I I t the the Mish talk was talking about this a bunch. He's a great blog, but uh there's a good chance that China China might in response uh shut off uh our supply of precious m uh metals which we need for all of our defense gear. Um and then on top of that you have supposedly China's been sending in uh like the back launchers and sending military gear into Iran.

So we are really flirting with an escalation here. I think the uh like the upside is potentially, I guess. maybe these other countries be well, I think our Arab partners were very upset with the idea of uh Iran now owning uh uh owning their hormone straight and Donald Trump is, I guess, trying to figure out a solution to that which doesn't include Iran just keeping it.

And so he's hoping that maybe China, India or other countries can't get their oil and get pissed off and uh actually either turn on Iran or try and help in creating a diplomatic solution or that this cuts off some of the funding for Iran. Or maybe it draws out whatever the Iranian defense would have been if we were going in with our entire military and so it makes uh uh a land invasion easier because we're actually able to take out more of the critical stockpiles.

uh potential upside. I just see a disaster here of oil prices going up, less oil actually being available on the marketplace. And now we're escalating this thing where, you know, we're we're escalating it pretty directly with China. Yeah, and um you know, and and causing a lot of real pain to other third party countries who had nothing to do with any of this. And now w our expectation is that, oh, even though we're the ones causing pain to your economy.

You better be on our side against the Iranians here. Uh to your point with China, I think probably where they're uh who is it that you said was blogging about that? Mike Mish Shadlock. It's got Mish Talk. It's a great blog. I think I may have read that uh time or two. Um yeah, well I think what he might be going off there, which is a it's an astute uh point, is that

There was when Donald Trump had threatened all types of tariffs against China and at one point they did just play hardball and they go, Okay, well you do that, then no more uh um what's it called? Uh as as you just mentioned. Yeah. Precious metals minerals, minerals, m precious metals or whatever. And then he backed off immediately. You know, it's like the idea that you know you

You think messing with Iran is a tall order? Like, dude, China's got all types of ways they could put crazy economic leverage. on America. I mean, go look around your house right now and see how much of your stuff is made in China. And you might think that shouldn't be the case and that stuff should be made in America or whatever, but right now it's not. And to immediately transition away from that would be a nightmare. Um so anyway, it's it's

Yeah, there's a lot of and then of course also they got a whole lot of H bombs, those Chinese. You know what I mean? Like we can't really get in a conflict with them. So yeah, I this thing has just disaster written all over it. And again It just seems like The only proper way to understand this war is that Donald Trump made the fucking dumbest mistake of his life by launching it.

And he was convinced it was going to go a certain way when every thinking person who knows anything about this should have been able to tell him, Sir, this is man, the odds are so bad that it's going to go in that in that direction. And now He's desperately trying to find some type of gimmick to get himself out of it. Literally, gimmicks is what he's looking at here, whether it's the crazy tweets or whatever. Um, and

Anyway, and and in the process, just as as we said, just destroying his presidency. It's so obvious for anyone to watch. We can get into some more of this stuff. I mean, but anyway, let's actually we'll do that next. First I just wanna say'cause I got a You know, it's like me and you were talking about this in the uh me, you and uh Chris Vega were talking about this a bit in the green room up at uh New York Comedy Club on Saturday night. But no, I was talking about how like

I don't know. Like the you know, I've done a lot of these uh debates on on this topic and I've uh the last two on Piers Morgan have been particularly big shows, like they both did

I think like got millions of views on'em and got like a big reaction. It was me when I debated that Adam Suznick guy, and then I just debated Ben Ferguson and You know, the the whole comment section seems to think that Ben Ferguson actually may have done as bad as Adam did and that like it's just uh but again, I was saying it to you guys, like it really is so it's like, dude.

The position I'm put in to fight these guys is on the level. If you go like, hey, you gotta fist fight this guy, but he's gonna have both of his hands tied behind his back and you get two butcher knives or something like that. You're like, oh. I mean, I'm gonna carve this guy up if that's the case. And that's literally what these fights feel like. Dude, you couldn't.

Just imagine this, right? Like, I I sometimes I can't even believe this is real life, even though I'm the guy who's always been saying this is real life. This is how it actually works. Dude, so As the the negotiations start. Literally, as the Iranian team and the US team touch down and meet each other and begin, this is in the middle of those 21 hours while they're negotiating. Benjamin Netanyahu.

Sweet. And I quote Israel, under my leadership, will continue to fight Iran's terror regime and its proxies, unlike Erdogan, who accommodates them and massacres his own Kurdish citizens. And you know, just think about this for a second. The President of the United States of America has announced he he wants a ceasefire and he wants to come to a deal to end this war. He's announced that the Iranians uh have a very reasonable framework.

Their 10 point plan that we're starting from, and now sends his team there. Now, the ceasefire has already fallen apart. The Strait of Hermoose is not open. The big problem here to negotiate at this meetings is that the ceasefire has already fallen apart um because Israel's attacking Lebanon. And the Iranians say, No, we won't open the strait as long as they're doing that. Okay?

The the Pakistanis say, yeah, that was part of the deal. Donald Trump says no, that wasn't part of the deal. We're here to talk about this now. In the middle of that, Benjamin Netanyahu, unilaterally, on his own, goes, hey. The war in Iran continues. The war in Lebanon continues. Oh, and by the way, NATO member Turkey, you're next. We got our eye on you too. A NATO member, a country who, under Article Five of the NATO agreement, we would be obligated to assist if Israel were to attack them.

Like that in itself. The junior partner, the little brother, as Benjamin Netanyahu calls him, is just decided just vetoing the big brother. The client state is just vetoing their their welfare payment center. And just announcing that the war will continue? I mean, look, dude, how how on earth can you just have that be the reality and anyone is gonna argue anything other than what this obviously is?

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It's too crazy, Rob. Yeah, I was also watching uh um a video of Netanao talking about how he was getting uh updates through the entire peace process. And you're just kind of sitting there going, Why? Why why is someone reporting into you about this? And we kinda need that JD Vance from the Oval Office, uh, with the don't speak to your dad that way energy and we're not getting it. Yeah. And just think about how many movies

You've seen your life where, you know, like a CIA type branch of government gets two people uh to go fight so that they're weakening their power. And it almost feels like Israel's doing that to us. Israel it like you know what I mean? Like uh the the the whole Scott Hordon thing of being uh empires being dragged into wars and then overspending. It's like Israel, our supposed ally, is doing that to us here.

Yep. Yep. And it it does seem like they're it seems like the calculation is almost at this point. It's like, well We've blown up this relationship for the future. You know, like these these guys are not dummies. And they go, We got the most pro Israel administration we've ever had right now. Right now's the time. Max out the credit card. Get everything you can out of this empire and then screw them. You know? Like I think that's kind of the attitude.

Uh again, while I do find that to be despicable, um It says far more about us and our government that we would allow ourselves to be used in that manner, you know? Um it's really just uh just such an outrage. You know. I will say and and at the risk of getting myself in trouble or saying something that people will use against me, but fuck it. I don't care. I'll tell the truth. Um Because, you know, I I really the the vast majority, I think, of Israel critics historically have been leftists.

And um and there's still a lot of leftists who are very critical of Israel. And but that's not us. We're not leftists. And so we don't fall into what I believe to be some of the kind of pitfalls of leftist thinking. And you know, so I'm I'm we're not like

you know, Jason Hinkle or whoever guys who are like, We are we're with the Houthis or something like, No, we're not with the Houthis. We're Americans. We're Americans who believe in capitalism and laissez-faire, you know, government and all that stuff.

um and natural rights and and I love many things about America. Uh but You know, and and then of course everybody who criticizes someone like me always has to say, Oh, you you love the Ayatollah or you're a Putin supporter or a Hamas lover or whatever, which is all just so ridiculous.

And obviously there are a whole lot of problems with all of those groups that I just mentioned. And I don't love any of them, actually. But Yeah, there's something interesting hearing JD Vance and Netanyahu and some of these guys talk about How how silly Iran is being for insisting that Lebanon is is in the ceasefire as well. And you know, I gotta just say. As you w watch that, you're like, no, what you're criticizing them for doing the honorable thing?

I don't know. You know, Darrell Cooper uh made a big deal out of this d during the twelve day war. And I really liked what he had to say. And he was like uh he was like, Look, man, he goes, It there it's dishonorable. to fight the way Donald Trump's fighting. Like to to say, hey, we're gonna go into negotiations and then sneak attack someone and launch a war of aggression. Like that's f that's wrong, dude. Like however you you know, like just like on a

On a personal level, whatever like sense of honor that you have, which is something that means a lot to men, actually. Means like the code of honor is very important to men. Now you could Well, let's just say, hypothetically speaking, like you were out at a bar and someone was talking shit to you and you you could be like, hey buddy, you you say another word to me, me and you're gonna step outside.

And like almost every man would find that to be fairly honorable. Like you're saying, hey, this is my line. You you didn't like attack the guy, but you're going, dude, if you cross this line, me and you are gonna go settle this. You could also be like, dude, I'm not getting in a fight with you. Like, we're gonna walk the other way, blah, blah, blah. That would also be honorable, but perhaps more mature than the first one.

But if you just went like uh if someone was talking shit to you, Rob, at a bar and you just went, Hey dude, look at that and then sucker punch them, almost every guy around you would go, yo, dude, like that's not Cool. Like even your own boys wouldn't be like, yeah, nice one, dude. They'd kind of it's like to men, that's like, yo, that's like that's just frankly, there's no honor in that.

And and that's what Darrell was making the point. Like there's no honor in that. And and that is like, I think, deeply corrosive to people to live under a government that has no honor. And It's so funny that people are so removed from any code that they'd go like It's like you guys are mocking the Iranians for you understand what happened there, Rob. I mean, you were following the news. Essentially, Hezbollah made a huge move and stuck their neck out on the line for Iran.

They started firing rockets into uh Israel when the war against Iran kicked off. And the idea of that is that they're like, hey, we'll take some of your your fire here. To run to you know what I mean? So they have less missiles to send at you. We'll make them use shoot their anti-missile missiles at our missiles and then make them respond with missiles to us when this whole thing is a race of who's gonna run out of missiles first, who's gonna spend more money and all that. And for doing that.

They got bombarded. Uh people have been slaughtered in in Lebanon in the last few weeks in huge numbers. And so it is almost the equivalent of like, dude, it's like if you were getting jumped. By four big dudes, and they're all stomping you out on the ground. And I just run in to jump in and catch your back.

And I I know it's not a fight I'm gonna win, but like hey, two dudes stomping me and two dudes stomping you is better than four dudes stomping you type thing. You know what I mean? Like you're and so of course, in that scenario. For Iran to be like, Oh, we'll grant you a ceasefire, but we're gonna keep fucking up them.

They did the honorable thing and went, no. They came in for us. We come in for that. Listen, I'm not even talking about like the morality of war. The Iranian government is not a moral government. Hezbollah is not a moral uh uh organization. But like Within the context of like warrior honor, that was kind of the correct move. I and like I'm sorry to say, like, I wish my government could act with honor in one single area. Sometime. And my local fire department's all right. Anyway.

Well if there's one thing you're not gonna get from Trump, it's that Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. In many ways he is the least conservative human being who's ever He does not care what he said thirty seconds earlier. You said the cleanest example the Hermuz is gonna naturally reopen. Actually, I'm closing it myself.

Which at least at least he's uh making it n very obvious that there's no reason to pay attention to him or even to try and predict what he's gonna do. No one could possibly get it right, so there's no reason to do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean it is uh yeah, it's wild, dude. It's it's wild to watch. It's it's like I'm more at this point, I'm more just angry with the people defending him.

Because you're like, dude, how can you, you know, how can you even possibly look any of us in the eyes and pretend you mean this? Um, okay, so by the way, the other big thing that we got to talk about, because this really uh to me just was wild. I've never seen anything like it. Um, we thought in some way that Donald Trump, because if you remember, what was it a couple of weeks ago, Donald Trump had the post about how great, wonderful Mark Levin is.

Right while Mark Levin is just getting skewered by everybody. And And within that post, he had uh like he took shots at the people attacking Mark Levin. But like he didn't name them. But I we already said, like, hey, look, there it is. There's the official moment. Like not that not the moment it died, but if you needed an official notarized death certificate, there it is. The coalition is over.

But in case that was unclear enough, he came out the other day and by name trashed Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones. Um And I gotta say, man, I've kinda just never seen um an act of political suicide quite like that.

And look, I look, Donald Trump is eighty and he's rich and he doesn't have another election coming up. And frankly, I don't think he gives a shit about, you know, uh I I think Donald Trump is would be quite happy for the Democrats to sweep everything after he's gone.

I think he'd prefer that than some other Republican star rise. You know, like he'd rather be like, Yep, I was the only one who could do it and all the other guys were always second rate compared to me. Like I don't think he cares about the country or any of that at all. But You know, if you think about Like what this is the equivalent of. Like that this would be like Joe Biden trashing Rachel Maddow, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, you know, like just like your People's favorite people.

I you're you know, between the four of the that those might be the four biggest conservative right wing shows in the country. And he just trashed all of them. And they also kind of represent almost like the spectrum. Of cause, you know, like Megan Kelly and Alex Jones are very different people. You know, it's like that all the way from Fox News to InfoWars and everything in between. And he just trashed all of them.

in the most like had like it was it was Trump. It was kind of funny, I guess, in some in some parts of it, but it was so petulant and it just looked so bad. And then the reaction of all of them has essentially been to laugh at him and I I don't know Rob. I've never seen anything like this before, where a president is trashing all of the people who got him elected. And it's all it's so naked. It's like

Look, here's the rules, okay? Donald Trump requires 100% loyalty, and he offers absolutely none. Those that's the deal. And You know, you just demonstrate that enough times. It's like, all right, dude, then who the hell wants to work with you? Like, This is still a bit of a free country. And like all four of those people have the option of not supporting you if they don't want to. Mm, so why the hell should they?

But you know, n and okay, th so then like if that's not bad enough, then he posts the thing of him as Jesus. This morning, Rob, like is there he's so out of touch that he didn't re I mean, it seems almost like he is working to destroy his legacy, his presidency and his coalition. Or certainly the the people who got control of it certainly are. By the way, it's not just him as Jesus. It looks like he's reviving Jeffrey Epstein and there's also like creepy demons on like the top line.

There was a there was at least one demon in the back. I noticed that. Yes. Very strange stuff, Rob. Yeah. Well, I think he's uh he's trying to let us know. He's uh full lunatic and get on board. It's it's really the uh litmit t litmus test for whose true believers and loyalists are. If you're gonna stand by him.

Or and by the way, the loyalists aren't even loyalists. Mark Levin, uh, on Friday was pissed off that he was gonna abandon the Iranian people, but now he's back on board and preaching Donald Trump because Donald Trump's back in the fight. Oh yeah, there's the there's the image. If you zoom in there, Natalie, on the at the top, right there, what people are really focusing on that guy in the middle. Yeah, that one right there. I mean, what is that?

That's what Donald Trump sees in his sleep and gets all of his logical good ideas from. Dude, I've seen dude, it's so funny to me, man. I have literally seen at least a few Christian, self-identified Christian conservative commentators. Who uh have tried to downplay the Easter tweet and this tweet, and they go, oh guys, you know, it's Trump, you know, is uh is someone said they go, oh, you're complaining about mean tweets? Like, mean tweets.

Dude, I'm sorry. There is a difference between calling Rosie O'Donnell fat. And threatening, you know, to wipe a civilization off of the map. There's a difference between like, um, oh yes, I did see that. Nelly, I should have mentioned that. Thank you for that point. He did delete the Jesus tweet. Not the Easter one though. Um but

You're like, wait, so you're telling me wait, you're a Christian and it's okay somehow. Imagine, Rob, like imagine this is again, this is why I win these debates. I'm not even a particularly skilled debater. It's just that. There and by the way, debate is a real skill that some people are very good at. I'm okay at it, but I'm certainly not great at it. Um, but like

Your position requires so much hypocrisy, requires tying yourself in not so much that it's like the imagine Rob, it was just like a game, like we're playing Boulder Dash or something like that. Then you were just like, okay, you're going into a debate. You got to look at your cards. Like, what did I get? And you're like, okay, I got I'm a Christian who has to defend threatening to wipe out entire civilizations and mocking our Lord and Savior. Like, okay.

That's gonna be a tough one to go with. And there's people who are like, all right, I'll try. I'll try to play that. Guys, you know, he doesn't really mean it. Oh, much have been a staffer or something. It's like, yo, this is just too crazy. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Van Man.

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I don't know what to say, man. You know, it's kind of interesting in a way, I guess, because like I know all four of the people involved. I've been on all of their shows and um You know, I I have a very good gauge of how big their shows are. I've done them and seen the response that you get after doing them. This is

Look, man, I I mean, this is just a nightmare for for anyone to argue at this point. You remember when I made the prediction a few weeks ago that the people saying the coalition is actually fine will pretty soon be s blaming, you know, the other side for blowing it up? Yeah. This is a blown up coalition here, dude.

Or there's i you know, it's like the idea that the that that trashing all of the people who got you elected for the crime of holding you to what your promise was when they helped get you elected. Not a wise game. I do did you see Tucker's response? That was like the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. Was that the uh was that the interview he did on uh the BBC?

Yeah, well the the transcript came out first and then they dropped the full video of the interview. So like you I saw it in writing first. The first thing they go, Well, Donald Trump just said you're low IQ and you're this and that or whatever. And um

He goes, he goes, look, I've campaigned for Donald Trump. I like Donald Trump very much. I I feel sad for Donald Trump as I do for all slaves. Just such a great, such a great response. I mean, look, also, again, like people aren't even good at You know. I shouldn't say look, Donald Trump obviously is good at talking shit. He's legendary at it. But part of the reason why he's really missing the mark here is because he's so desperate and he's so wrong.

And it just doesn't work as well. You know, it when when you're talking shit about Hillary Clinton being corrupt or Joe Biden being corrupt, it's like, all right, well, you got a lot to work with there and you're correct in spirit. So you get a different type of energy. But When you're

You know, it's kind of like as as just from being a stand-up comic for for years, like me and you kind of know this, it's like, dude, like, it's like if you got if you you could have a really offensive joke, but it's hilarious. And that just totally changes the energy of saying something really offensive that's not hilarious. You know? Like if you if you go really, really dark or really, really offensive.

And don't have that good of a punchline attached to it, you're out in this dark territory. But if you got a really good ass punchline attached to it, then fuck it. You can it's just a different force. And now you're on the the right side of comedy. And with shit talking, there's some element of that too where You're like it's like what I said about when they were calling there you know, it's like uh when Josh Hammer and um Laura Loomer are calling Megan Kelly grandma groper.

And you're going, wait, that's what you went with grandma? That what she looks old? That's the di Josh Hammer. And Laura Loomer are commenting on Megan Kelly's physical appearance. That's what you guys settled with. Like, just go for something else.

Pick something else. There's other weaknesses. Like I love Megan, but like there's other things to go at. She was too liberal when she was on NBC. Maybe you can work on something there, you know, but like that's what you're gonna go at her. It's ridiculous. And even with Donald Trump, it's like Dude, there's lots of things you could say about Tucker and Megan and Candace and Alex. Low IQ.

Isn't really a dig at any of them. There's lots of low IQ people in the political commentary world. Nah. They're not really four of them. Sorry. And you know. You know, whatever. I mean, Alex Jones is crazy in a lot of ways, but he's a high IQ guy, you know? And come on, it's just not gonna convince people that that's the issue, is that you're just so much smarter than than all these guys.

They're all losers. And you know, it's even seeing um, I don't know, did we play it on the show or not? But there was the Mark Levin comment. Whereas you know, Trump had made the comment about how they're all fired from TV, and you're like, Yeah. But they're all bigger than they ever were when they were on TV. For Alex Jones was never on TV. Uh he was a radio guy, but he's bigger than he's ever been.

Candace is by far the biggest she's ever been. Um, Megan and Tucker are by far the biggest they've ever been. And you know, Mark Levin, it's like they all talk about like he was talking about this whole thing. He had a rant about how like the internet isn't real life. And you're like, what, but cable news is?

What do you what do you mean? Like it's all it's so and literally because you know, both Donald Trump and Mark Levin, you know, these are you you know, you're kind of reminded, these are your grandpas talking about the internet. And you're you're almost like, do you even know, like, do you know how the world works? Do you know how like what do you mean it's a show. It's a show. People watch it. They

What what difference does it make if it's on a network or if it's on the internet? People watch a show on their TV or their computer or their phone. That's also where people watch TV now. On their TV, on their computer, on their phone, on their tablet. Everything comes on everything. The only thing that matters is how many people are watching to see if it's what it represents. And so it's all this whole thing where you're like, no, I'm sorry, guys.

Objectively, Donald Trump just trashed in the harshest possible like You know, in that moment in in a breakup, whether it's a breakup of a relationship or a friendship or whatever, where you're like, you say the most horrible thing that cannot be taken back. Like there is no Us getting back together after this is said. He just did that with all of the most popular fucking Trump supporting shows. That doesn't sound good for a coalition now, does it?

Yeah. And uh the the biggest break is that if you're not on television, you got the opportunity to actually tell the truth. Now uh plenty of people in the podcast format have still chosen not to tell the truth and to basically audition for television. and uh use their podcast as an opportunity for, you know, state propaganda.

Which uh, you know, I guess there's plenty of money to be made doing that. But when you're knocking people for not being on television and they're bigger, what what you're really just uh letting everyone know is yeah, the uncensored people can actually tell the truth and there's a market for truth.

And I mean, Donald Trump's in a bit of a pickle here'cause it's all of the uh it's all the not T V people who are telling the truth who backed him because he was supposed to be the person to drain the swamp and turn against the machine and all that stuff. And now that he's in and he's preaching a war, he's back with all the never Trumpers.

And now that's that's his coalition. The people that no one in the country like or support would never have voted for, were moving away from. And now Donald Trump's stuck with that losing coalition of people. But I I you know, they won the deep state game and they got their war. Yep. No, that's uh that's exactly right. Uh here, let's play this uh the Steven Crowder clip that you sent over.

He's he's the last holdout. He's he's trying his best here to somehow, you know, defend this stuff. And you know, I don't know. I I don't want to like ascribe motivations to to Steven, because I don't really know what exactly is motivating him to take this ridiculous line. But there is something, man, where people just like are really convinced, oh, you gotta just support Trump no matter what. We gotta support Trump. And that that's the

A winning business move or something like that. Uh seems pretty obviously incorrect to me, but let's play this and and give our thoughts. They have not just said. Trump is Wrong about this. They have said we need to remove him. And let me be really clear here. I think that President Trump has made some missteps. I think he's imperfect. I genuinely believe Holding back a Marxist communist revolution that almost happened.

I genuinely believe that. I genuinely believe that if the left had relatively unfettered power, you would see Canada And that's effectively a descent into communism until they run out of people's money and then they decide they're going to allow some privatized hospitals and the like. Jailing truckers.

Jailing political dissidents, jailing people for private texts, no rights to carry a a firearm outright ban and mandatory buyback. Eventually they're going to be going house to house to take them away. Compelled speech. I believe believe that we are facing the world is a Marxist revolution And that's more important to stop. And I will tell you that I don't think that a stance on Iran, even If

If Donald Trump did nothing on Iran, that wouldn't be a disqualifier. And if he did too much on Iran, it wouldn't be a disqualifier. It wouldn't force me to simply stay home or Close my eyes and deny that there is a Marxist revolution. Wolves are at the gates. So when you I understand that. You know, there there you go. Okay. That's the best Steven Kratter can come up with. But the Democrats are really bad, so we gotta go with Trump. Whether even if he did nothing on a round or too much.

On a yeah, is there any how how much is too much that he could do? Anything? You know, I said this um to you, Rob, in the green room. I think you kind of tended to like it, but it's the way I would s say it to like some of the people who are kind of taking this. This lane, it's like, okay, okay, Steven Crater, let's say I grant you uh everything you're saying. It's all communism. Europe and Canada are all communist and

You know, certainly no one's been more of a critic of the fucking insane progressive policies over the last twenty years than me and you. But So let's say I grant you all of that. Okay. So hypothetically, let's say Donald Trump just ordered 10,000 abortions. Ordered, involuntary, just raunding up pregnant women and killing their babies. Uh ordered like ten thousand of those in the country. Does your logic still hold true?

Yeah, but you know those dems still gotta support him. I'm not gonna turn I mean, I I'll admit he's imperfect. By the way, thank you so much for that admission, Steven Crowder. It's it's yeah, I love whenever people try to make themselves sound like the reasonable one in between these two positions.

And but they have to use such bullshit to uh no listen, I never said Donald Trump is Jesus Christ. I'm saying like, yeah, I know he's he's short of that. I'll I'll grant he's somewhere short of the infallible and perfect. Um Okay, he ordered 10,000 abortions. Still got to support him? Hey, man. Communism, right? No. The answer obviously to Steven Crowder is no. Why? Because you're pro-life. And you you view that as like a moral deal breaker. Okay, well, some of us are actually pro-life.

and we're consistent about it. And so yes, that's what we view this as. When when he's sitting there, by the way, first off, of all those people Even I'd include Candace, I think, in the list. Um, but certainly Tucker, certainly Megan, and definitely Alex Jones. I'm pretty sure about Candace too. None of them have been going as hard uh against Trump as I have. None of them have really been taking the gloves off like that.

Um but he starts by going, they didn't just criticize him. They really went, they said he should be removed. I don't know who said he should be removed, um, but

Yeah, I I mean I again I'm I I'm not saying I follow every single show, but like no, in other words, Steven Crowder's going, yeah, hey, you can criticize him, sure, but don't like criticize him too severely. Well like But he just launched a war of aggression, a war of choice that's an unmitigated disaster that he can't get out of, that's gotten Americans killed and cost us over a hundred billion dollars or something like that.

It's like what if you can't criticize that fiercely, what can you criticize? This is why I say ordered 10,000 abortions. Why is it so much different? It's blowing up little girls' schools, getting people killed left and right. The civilians, innocent people, children. And so what is what is all of this? It's like you you just fall back to this like, oh, but the Democrats winning again is a nightmare. Okay, well, then don't do that.

Then don't do this and keep your coalition together. I'm sorry, dude. And I'm sure the I just I use the abortion example because I bet all you guys you see it pretty clearly there, don't you? As bad as the Democrats are, if the Republican ordered ten thousand involuntary abortions, and yes, I understand that all abortions are involuntary, but I mean in this case the mother didn't want it either. Just to make it worse, why not?

Uh you'd go, yeah, as bad as that other thing is, we have to criticize this in the strongest possible language because we oppose them. That's how some of us feel about reckless unnecessary wars. Sorry, we got like a moral hang up about the whole thing. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cowboy Colostrum. This spring, if you're ready to finally see real results, a healthier gut, glowing skin.

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Listen, I I hate the Democrats and if uh Kamala had won, uh we might still have uh a lot of people pouring over the border. We'd still be hearing about ESG scores and the woke agenda. There'd still be uh glamorizing of the the trans agenda. Uh, you know, you you'd have you'd have you'd probably have more tech censorship. You'd have a lot of lunacy that I don't like.

But at the end of the day, Donald Trump is a democratic socialist and a war hungry democratic socialist. And between his tariff policy for centralized government policy for more manufacturing jobs that will not be coming back And now the fact that he's spending more money than anyone ever and it's for isn't the I think the military ca is a socialist institution. Yep, pretty sure it is. And so you're gonna spend more money than anyone ever and uh it it uh I mean th this is not conservative.

Think about it, Rob. Think about it. You go, everything else is communism. So we need this. And this outspends communism. More government spending than the communists that you're talking about. Yeah, well it it's the it listen, this is no different than the Democrats that went down with Biden and said, Hey, Trump's just so bad that we're gonna be dishonest about the fact that Biden has dementia.

And at some point I think it just showcases the fact that you're just playing team sports and that you're completely dishonest. And that there's really no reason for anyone to listen to your opinions or analysis because there's nothing there other than, Hey, we've got to play for our team and this is our team. So here's the best framing for what our team's doing. You're just state run propaganda at that point, essentially.

It's like, dude, I can just listen to what the White House press secretary says in the morning. Why do I have to go watch Crowder's show? I get it. She says it first, and then you defend whatever she said. It's if if that completely contradicts everything you said yesterday, okay. Doesn't matter. We gotta defend this now. Um it's it's you know. Again, also, you know, for people who actually follow this stuff and and are actually kind of aware of of all of this, you know.

What what is he looking at? If he's gonna talk about like really trying to harp on the worst things that the Democrats have done. And hey, look, no question, we all are in agreement about that. I'm sure me, you and Crowder could sit down and talk about, you know, whatever the climate agenda, the woke agenda, the COVID agenda, all of this and agree on on all this stuff. But like

Let's also remember history the way it actually happened. You're going, I'm really worried about compelled speech, forced speech, arresting truckers. Okay. The worst. Tyranny that any of the the woke progressive establishment was fully supporting were COVID lockdowns. Donald Trump was the president of the United States of America. He kept Fauci as the as the face of the response to COVID. He did nothing to expose the fact that, oh yeah, Fauci made the thing and then lied about it.

uh did nothing um at all to to prosecute Fauci. Keep in mind, this this was way before he had the immunity from Joe Biden. This was before Joe Biden was president. And he did no he did nothing to bring down this this regime. He in fact mocked those of us who were opposed to the lockdown.

Um, the same way he threw all the January Sixthers under the bus uh immediately and did nothing to try to pardon all of that. Keep in mind, all those people at January Sixth who were in solitary confinement for hundreds of days and all that stuff, Trump could have pardoned all of them.

None of them had to go through that, but he didn't. It would have been politically difficult for him. So why the hell would he do something for someone else that's difficult for him? That's not how Donald Trump operates. And like, So in other words, Donald Trump has the when when COVID came, he went all in on the tyranny with the whole thing. Um, when uh, you know, he's the father of the vaccine. He's been bragging about that for all these years too.

Uh the the deep state apparatus, which is really the so the the control source in this country, Donald Trump had a mandate to go after the criminals in the deep state and delivered zero. Zero deep state arrest. What are you telling me here, dude? We we got this one opportunity to roll back this huge horrible thing that's coming next. Well, he hasn't done anything to roll that back. In fact, he just destroyed the coalition that can that could avoid that. Look, it's like

It's real simple like this. If you don't want to fall into this democratic, communist, whatever you call it, nightmare, okay, well, there's a coalition that will be a hedge against that. He just blew that up. 'Cause we had one like Steve look from Stephen Colbert's position, he goes like uh When he goes, look, if he didn't do anything in Iran, or if he does too much in Iran, I still gotta support this guy. He goes, Okay, well, here's the thing. For us it's a non negotiable.

For us, launching wars of aggression, wars of choice on behalf of Israel is a deal breaker for us. So since you don't care either fucking way, since you said yourself he could do nothing on a round and you'd still be supporting him, okay. Well for Some number of us that is big enough to blow up this coalition, we do care. We do care if he does too much. Because too much is a fucking euphemism for murdering people. So we care if he does too much. So there you go.

There's kind of the deal. Take it or leave it. And you know, if that sounds like I'm being unreasonable, just you know, my o I only had one demand and that was don't go on mass murder campaigns. So like I think that actually is pretty reasonable. And then to sit here and just say you'll support him no matter what.

Actually, that's how we get those Democrats back in power. Look, dude, the fucking the these these irrelevant podcasters that he's talking about, you know, the irrelevant figures like Joe Rogan. Um, who didn't make the list, by the way, which was was good. It hasn't blown that one up yet, but he uh

The all of these guys, like all of these huge shows, whether it's Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and Candace Owens, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughan, Andrew Schultz, like all these guys have millions and millions of followers. They conducted, they prosecuted the war against woke insanity better than the Republican Party ever has. They're actually the ones who turned the culture against all of this stuff. And then they propelled Donald Trump into the White House.

Like they set this up perfectly, dude. You were in a situation where you had supermajorities of the American people supported mass deportation. Supermajorities of the American people had turned against wokeism. Supermajorities of the American people had turned against the permanent warfare state that the deep state loves so much. You had it all right there for you. This administration has come in and ruined all of that. So again, like I said

Don't listen, don't turn around and blame us for this. Those those are gonna be the two steps here. Number one, the coalition is absolutely fine. No one blew it up. Number two, it's all your guys' fault for blowing it up. All the while, the truth is that All you had to do was just put some wins on the board, come away with some of the things that you promised to do, uh, and not not launch a disastrous war that you just didn't need to, that you simply could have just not.

There is not one metric, not one metric that wasn't just better before this war started. included the Strait of Hermoose, the enriched uranium, all of it. It was all either at the exact same place or better with more innocent people alive. Eight weeks ago. All right. Okay. That's it for today's show. Come see us in Chicago, comicdavesmith.com, Zany's Rosemont, and Zany's uh Chicago downtown.

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