A Conversation With MAGA

As I've said a bunch of times, this is one of my favorite weekends I've ever done last year. I the Denver Comedy Works is like a legendary club. Uh all of my friends have a a bunch of them. It's been like their favorite club in the world for for many years. And last year was the first time I ever headlined a full weekend there. And we sold out every show. It was really great, really, really fun time. Uh so very much looking forward to coming back uh this year, um, getting on a plane tomorrow.

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So I wanted for today's show to I I think the way I'm gonna frame this is I wanna have a conversation. Although it'll be one-sided for this hour. But perhaps this uh this could serve as an invitation. Like I I would be interested if maybe like. some people, some MAGA people. Uh maybe listen to what I have to say here and uh uh give it a response if you want to. Um because I kind of want to almost have a conversation with MAGA, whatever exactly that means.

Whatever the MAGA movement is. I'm not sure exactly what it is at this point. I think the best definition of it would be um people who are still loyal to Donald Trump. I I'm not a part of it. That has been made very clear over the last hundred days. I have had it uh made very clear to me that I am not a part of MAGA, if ever I was. Perhaps I never was. Um, and I'm fine with that. I I've never really cared about the the label MAGA. Um and I for most

Of the last decade, I haven't considered myself to be part of it. So anyway, but I would like to kind of talk to MAGA because we're in a very interesting moment right now. It really does feel

In some ways, and it's not clear. It's not clear exactly what's going to come out of this, but it does for the moment feel in some ways like in the same way that we would go, Wow, think about how crazy it is that you went from You know, election day two thousand twenty four through like say, you know, Donald Trump's inauguration in January two thousand twenty five.

Where Donald Trump wins the popular vote and the youth and the UFC fighters are doing his dance and the culture is on his side and, you know, he's got record high approval ratings and he's come back in with this whole new coalition and um, you know. Donald Trump was at his height. And then all of a sudden, Donald Trump is uh, you know, doing what he's been doing for the last year, really, but particularly the last hundred days, and there's been this huge change.

But now, in the course of just a few days, it almost seems like everything is flipping back. All of a sudden, Donald Trump is the one saying, hey, we can't fight endless wars.

All of a sudden Donald Trump is the one trying to rein in the Israelis. He's talking about how, oh man, we're killing, we're blowing up a whole apartment building over something that didn't kill. It's almost like a throwback to what old Donald Trump used to say. And Well, there's there's a few different dynamics that are going on with all of this in this all weird kind of twist.

One of the things so for me, okay, it's been kind of interesting. When I say the last year of Donald Trump's behavior, it really is almost to the year. I mean, when I Uh you know, what when I say I'm not a part of MAGA, well, I did support Donald Trump in 2024. By the way, during the election, when I said I was gonna uh endorse Donald Trump

Not too many people were telling me I wasn't MAGA then. They were all very happy to have me on board at that point. Everybody was thrilled. Yeah, like, you know, because it's an election season, so you want as many votes as you as many influential people endorsing you as you can get. And um it was a b a year ago, almost to the day, that uh that I I

Publicly I went on breaking points and I said that I regretted voting for Donald Trump and I called for his impeachment and removal and it was over launch in the twelve day war, which was in June of last year. I guess it's what is it? It's the seventeenth today. What was it? I think it was the uh we're maybe a week shy. It was maybe a week longer. uh twenty-fifth or something like that of June last year. So, you know, I kind of jumped off myself uh very adamantly over this war. Um and

Really, it was the next, you know, this most recent war in Iran that really created um huge, huge rifts within the Trump coalition. Um, the it wasn't just that someone like me had jumped off. Um, but over the last hundred days uh Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and you know Alex Jones and uh you know a huge number of very prominent voices who were Trump supporters have

You know, the that part of the coalition has fallen apart and and in ways that are very hard to see it being put back together. Although who knows, I guess. But, you know, when I say who knows, I mean, I don't know. Could Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump become friends again? I have not talked to Tucker since any of this has happened. So I don't. I have no insight into that, but maybe, maybe it'd be like, Yeah, yeah, he did he kind of warned you about this. Anyway.

over the last um Over this period of time, you know, really particularly over the last hundred days during this war, um one of the things that I said from from the outset was that Donald Trump had destroyed his presidency over this. And that I've I've been consistent on this the whole way through, that this was a war we couldn't win. We didn't have escalation dominance. I've been saying this for 20 years about um Iran, uh turned out to be exactly right.

I I've been saying from the beginning that the best thing we can do is just stop, just accept whatever deal, accept that we've lost and get out of here. So this is a really important thing to do. Um

And also one of the other things I've predicted, um, again, not to say I get some predictions wrong, but one of the other things I've I've been predicting is that Donald Trump wouldn't be able to sell this. as anything other than what it obviously is. And I think really over the last say 48 hours, but particularly over the last 24 hours, that has been something that has become more and more evident. Uh, Donald Trump is, I mean, hey, who knows? Maybe he's gonna

surprise us with some terms of this deal, you know, that'll be revealed on Friday that are way more in the the US favor. I can't imagine what it would possibly be, to be honest. Um, but

He's gonna surprise us and then maybe the Iranians actually do agree to that and they've just been bluffing this whole time, or or maybe then they say, Hey, we never agreed to that and the whole thing blows up. I mean, it's possible we're back at war. It's possible something comes out of this that we don't foresee right now.

surrender slash US loss. There's just really no other way to look at it. Um and it's it's so um It's so obvious that the the attempt of getting a base of Trump people to even spin it as anything else is um

is just seems fruitless. Seems like that's just not gonna happen. Everybody essentially is already admitting it. And I gotta ad I gotta say it's almost a little bit surprising. I'll go through some of these clips, but it is a little bit surprising just to for me, just to go through social media and see people like um

um, like Bacha, um, uh Sargon, I always forget how to say her last name, but she have a clip of hers that we might play today. But seeing people like her and Will Chamberlain and, you know, all these guys go, Oh yeah, no, this deal is terrible. This is a complete We're we're just giving them everything they want. This is a loss.

Um, and so anyway, that's kind of been interesting just to see them. It was June, oh, it was June thirteenth last year. Is that right? Oh, so we're over the one year anniversary. I'm sorry, I had that wrong. I thought it was later in in June. Thank you, Natalie. Appreciate it. Um anyway, so it's been interesting to see those guys even kind of having to acknowledge that, okay, this and so.

It's in this context that I think it's kind of interesting to have a conversation with MAGA or or I guess if none of them are listening, then in that case we're all just having a conversation about MAGA. And I'm fine with that too. But There is something for those of us who maybe even voted for Donald Trump or endorsed Donald Trump. Maybe even people who were like didn't vote or endorse for him, but maybe were rooting for him or people who are even flirting with that.

But people, broadly speaking, who at one point might have in some way been part of this coalition that have really left in disgust over the last year. And I think it's important that maybe we talk to some of those people who are still on the team. And I wanna try in a way to almost like have a a good faith, you know.

Well, you know, obviously I don't mean to frame this as a conversation, a dialogue. It's me, you know, ranting, but I just mean what I'm trying to start here, what I'm trying to provoke would be some type of good faith uh discussion or some type of good faith. back and forth, but also I'm not particularly inclined to pull punches. Um, I just don't.

I'm not gonna pretend that something other than what happened just happened because number one, I'm I'm a grown man and I don't believe in doing that. Uh, number two, the point of my job, the point of this show is for me to tell the truth to the listener as I see it. And I don't particularly feel like carrying water for this movement that has not been so kind. Um, to people like me over the last year and particularly over the last hundred days or so. Um, you know, in a way, this.

uh feels like a um like a horrible toxic relationship where let's say the partner was um you know I don't know like a crazy drug addict who was abusing their kids and Cheating all over you. And um, you know, now in some point, like maybe they're trying to go to rehab or something, something like that. Not saying this analogy is perfect.

And it's like, hey, just so you know, I don't need to pull any punches over what happened back there. You've destroyed much of what this relationship is, but we do have a kid together. I care about the kid more than I care about our petty nonsense. The kid in this case being the United States of America. And Donald Trump is still the president of the United States. He is trying to get this deal done now. He is desperately trying to get out of this nightmare that he got us into. And

He needs his cheerleaders. He needs his MAGA people around. There is a role for all of them to play. However, I just can't accept that my role here is to pretend this is some type of victory or something like that. Um And uh I don't think that is my I I don't think that is the role. And I don't think I think that does nothing but lose all of us credibility and kind of fracture the relationship between us and and our own audiences because

then you're lying. And that's never or that that rarely seems to be the the correct path in all of that.

Because, you know, no matter how you know, you can sit there and pretend that we've devastated Iran. And that's why they're desperate to make a deal. But when the deal is, we'll give you three hundred and twenty five billion dollars. Doesn't really seem like they were that desperate. Seems like maybe the party offering three hundred twenty-five billion dollars was a little bit more desperate. And in the same sense that Donald Trump could sit there and say, um

You know, this war had a hundred percent MAGA approval. Well, the reality is that it was the most unpopular war in American history. And um MAGA's gonna wear the bruises of celebrating that and and supporting that. There's really no way to get a around that. And so I think it's important we can be honest and we can also maybe Now that things are being revealed a little bit more, we can um

think about what's best for the country and what's best for for moving forward, not just with the MAGA movement, but with whatever is to follow it. Because really However, we like it.

And and this is something that I said for quite a while. And this this was actually what I was very concerned about, re the escalation trap. Even though I said the whole time, I think eventually Trump will do something like that. I did say I don't think he's gonna escalate. I don't think we're gonna get boots on the ground. I think eventually he'll quit because he doesn't have the stomach for that. He knows the world economy and and the American people don't either. Um, but the

What I always said was the problem is that it's going to be self-evidently a defeat. And we're not he's not going to be able to spin this. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ultra Pouches. I love these guys. Very cool company. If you don't well, you've probably heard about pouches. Everyone's doing pouches these days. They've got nicotine pouches and caffeine pouches.

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It cannot be restrained. It has to be able to even go on the offensive to preemptively take out these Hezbollah cells, even if they're in Beirut. I would expect Israel to continue to do that. They're not gonna wait until they get hit before they can respond.

But as as far as I can tell this isn't even escrow accounts to trap it to make sure the I think it's a very important thing. complies. We have no reason to believe that they will, so they will be flooded with cash almost immediately. My second big concern is that the deal does recognize Iranian governance with other Gulf states over the Strait of Hormuz.

Now the Iranians will say they just want to collect environmental tolls. They're not going to call it tolls, they'll call it fees. That's tolls. Brian, that's worse than before Epic Fury. The United States cannot permit Iran to have coercive control over the Strait of Hormuz. And so to me those are the two big ones tied with, I think, the fact that once you relieve sanctions, you really lose your leverage to enforce what we want on removing and dismantling Iran's.

To have coercive control over major waterways. If we set this precedent, you would expect the Chinese to be looking to do it in its region of the world as well. So I'm concerned about that. One more point, Brian, on the$300 billion. It is true that we it's not gonna be American taxpayers that are gonna go to this fund.

But the language that I've seen of the MOU says that the United States would help essentially get investments in Iran. Remember, Iran has not changed. Iran is still conducting industrial sta scale execution. They execute minors, little girls as little as nine. So these regime

And that is that. The whole apparatus here behind Donald Trump. See, Donald Trump had a genuine grassroots movement for many years. And he essentially traded that movement in for the machine. But the machine, unlike that grassroots movement, is not loyal to Donald Trump. Mm you could see who they're loyal to right there. I mean, like Brian Kilmead. I mean, like I've

It's just just one of Fox News' biggest guys. He's nothing but in every other case, somebody who just takes Donald Trump's side, just essentially dick rides Donald Trump on whatever position he has. But what does he want to do? Restrain Benjamin Netanyahu? Well. That's insane, as Brian Kilmead says. No problem. You know what think about the words that that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and Brian Kilmead and all these guys have been describing Donald Trump with the last couple of days.

This is so now. In other words, Donald Trump, now with his record low approval ratings, he's set to fall quite a bit further because all of these guys are going to turn on him. But here's the thing, and this will be a through line throughout all of this coverage. Look.

The reason why essentially all of this coverage is so batshit insane is because they it's everything except grappling with the fundamental reality of what just happened. Th this woman and Brian Kilmead, they're both they're lying to each other. Um, or they're lying to the audience, I guess maybe is more accurate. But You y you can frame this as like, wait a minute, we're giving hundreds of billions of dollars.

to the the you know to this regime? Why would we be doing that? Wait, and China's in bed with them? Wait, so now they get to control the Strait of Hermoose? We don't like that. That's bad. Well, okay, that's bad for You can make obvious arguments for why that would be bad, um, including even arguments I would agree with. I don't like the idea of um of of the

Shiite radicals in the region getting to choke off 20% of the world's oil supply. That's not great. I don't like that. But that is the reality in the same way that look. Donald Trump was just up against the economic realities here. And in fact, there's a clip which I'll we might play later where Donald Trump kind of admits.

Um, that he was up against the economic realities. He could not get that straight open. If the Pentagon's own assessment was that it would take another six months, and that was only after we had concluded the war. Okay, well then we got to conclude the war so we can open the strait. And it takes six months to do it militarily. Okay, so now by all well experts, I mean, you know, most uh um well, I maybe I shouldn't say most, but many uh economists.

are arguing that already, even we get out of this now, this is gonna be devastating and that next year we're really gonna go through a steep economic recession over energy costs, over how long the the um the this was um the how how long the Strait of Remoose was shut down over. And So you're talking now another six months of it? You're talking global depression. Okay. So that's if we did it militarily. And then by the way, how do we even do it militarily?

Oh, we have to get the war over first. Okay, well, Iran doesn't want to end the war, so how do you get Iran to end the war? Okay, well, the only way to get Iran to end the war and open up the strait immediately was to Wave the white flag. Promise them hundreds of billions of dollars. We essentially bribed them off with and and other promises too. But but look, just to be clear here.

Okay. This is what's in the deal, what's been released from CNN and uh um Uh, I'm sorry, from from CNN and um what did I I had just mentioned it earlier. Who was it? It was Bloomberg. I'm sorry, it was the other one. It was CNN and Bloomberg. They both put out different, somewhat largely similar but slightly different versions of what the memorandum of understanding is.

And to be clear here, you're talking about now, I just I want to be clear because I don't let me just give the caveat of like, I don't think Iran's ever gonna get that 300 billion. We'll see. I could be wrong about that, but there is a little thing where it's tied to like

what the agreement after 60 days is. I don't think we're gonna have any type of nuclear agreement after 60 days. I wouldn't be surprised if Iran goes back to charging fees as as this woman I just said, to charging fees for the the Strait of Hermoose. There's kind of language that protects their ability to ultimately do that. Who knows if they'll actually get access to that fund, the that fund, but that is what's being promised to them by the US in order to get them into this, right?

So they're pledging that there'll be this$300 billion reconstruction fund. Then there's also close to about$25 billion of um of frozen Iranian assets. Uh, these were things like, you know, I'd I'd have to check on exactly what these assets were, but in the past I know it was things like so in the revolution in 79, right? So

We overthrew their government in 53 and installed the Shah. So from 53 to 79, the US had very friendly relations with Iran. And then the revolution happened. Then a few months later they took our hostages. Then the the relations started uh ship started to deteriorate. Um there were there were um

Like the previous government had bought a bunch of weapons. They used to buy a bunch of weapons from our, you know, weapons companies. That was part of the the cozy relationship. And so they had like purchased a bunch of weapons and then the revolution happened. And then the uh the US was like, Well, we're not giving the weapons to this new government. But international courts had ruled fairly reasonably that like, okay, but then you gotta refund the money.

Because they purchased the weapons. So either give them the weapons or give them their money back and they wouldn't do either. So it's that money that's been froze. Anyway, neither here nor there. But then also in the deal, and people, by the way, are really uh um jumping over this one, but this may be the most important part of the deal. is that um all sanctions are lifted.

All US sanctions on Iran are lifted. They are what right back into the global um finance, the financial structure, the global economic structure. I mean, this thing is worth this is

hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that we are pouring into Iran. Keep in mind, by the way, Israel is a little country. You know, Israel um has has a GDP That is probably less than the total benefit of this deal to Iran. Maybe not. Maybe probably got a GDP at six hundred, seven hundred billion dollars, something like that. But still.

This is like pouring the entire economy of Israel almost into Iran. You can see how much this is going to ruffle feathers. Okay. So anyway, I guess another um Another, you know, point in all like like if you try to from Israel's perspective, this isn't just them not getting the regime destroyed the way they wanted. This is getting, you know, I I don't know, it would be like pouring twenty trillion dollars into Canada.

And the US being like, whoa, that's like that's a lot of goddamn wealth that's flowing into this country that we were just at war with. And so you're gonna get this response from people. This is like I said, we're going through the next 60 days are gonna be an all out blitz. And Strangely, now Donald Trump has found himself in a war of sorts with the Israel lobby.

And so it's kind of again, this is why it's kind of important to talk to MAGA again now. So, you know, we're not going to pretend what you guys did back there didn't happen back there. We all, you know, you you launched a war of choice on behalf of a foreign country and you supported that. Um, and and and look, like, why should we be kind to MAGA right now? It was loudly broadcasted right into our face.

That MAGA is not Tucker Carlson, because he's a low-IQ trader. MAGA is Mark Levin. Okay. Well. That's that's what you got to live with now. And what happened? Geez, what happened when we followed Mark Levin and Douglas Murray and Ben Shapiro's advice? What happened? Oh, yeah, another catastrophe. Uh so bad that we had to just conceive we had to just th wave the white flag and pay them hundreds of billions of dollars to get them to stop.

Again, we're not going to forget that, but as we move forward here. It is important it's here to understand, right? That like this is the battle now. The battle is gonna be over people attacking Donald Trump for making this move. Look, as bad as as bad as it is that Donald Trump failed in the way that he failed. And I'm I'm saying he destroyed his presidency. It's over. There's not much to save. Um but it's still really important that we win this one.

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You know, like if you're if you're in a hostage situation, I know people make fun of me for making these analogies. And god damn it, that I I know they're not perfect, but they are useful. And so, you know, some of you guys, you make fun of me for them, but they are useful. There's a reason I do this. But like in the sense, okay, if you were in a hostage situation.

And somebody has all you know, and you're the negotiator. You're you're outside on the cell phone talking to them and you're like, please at least give us the women and children. You know, this guy's got a bank, a lot of people there. Even if He's already killed a few people, even if he's already done terrible things. And this guy is gonna get the chair, you know, whenever you get him out and he gets goes to trial or whatever. Um

You still might be talking to him and you're like, Hey, can you can you let the rest of the kids out? And he goes, Okay, I'll let some of the kids out. You still go, Thank you so much for that, dude. Like that was really huge. Because

Those are real kids and their lives are on the line right now. Okay, I'm not saying it's a I'm not equating the two things. I'm just saying the reason I use the analogy is that as much as Donald Trump is fucked up, as furious as many of us may be with him, we still got a country here. You know, we still have a kid together. And the kid is the United States of America. This is the country that both of my little kids are gonna grow up in. I care very much about the future of this.

And it's very important that Donald Trump wins this fight. It's very important that we get this memorandum of understanding signed and we get out of this war. This is, I I am not sure how much damage has already been done. I'm very concerned about that. But we were flirting with catastrophe. And there's for no reason, for no reason other than Donald Trump's choosing uh for listening to the Israel lobby instead of people with common sense. Um

Okay, let's move to the uh the the Bacha clip, which I always I I do apologize if I'm saying her name wrong, um, which I I often do. Uh, but um Batcha Ungar Sargon. is her name. Um she is I I know her. We we debated. She was a part of that debate with uh me and Jank Huger and um um Dennis Prager and her.

And uh and we all went out to dinner afterwards. She's a really very nice person, very lovely. Uh, although I could not disagree with her politics more. But um, yeah, anyway, so she kind of in in the spirit of checking in with MAGA. B uh kind of represents like Kind of the lefty pro Zionist part of MAGA. Like kind of a liber not lefty, I shouldn't say liberal, a liberal Zionist.

uh member of MAGA. And uh again, somebody who's been cheerleading President Trump for his entire second uh uh term. Here were her thoughts on on the war and or excuse me on the memorandum.

And I as an American, I cannot stand that. I cannot stand saying that sentence. But it is utterly true. And what's worse is exactly as Ben pointed out, they will never be weaker than they are now. They're about to get all their money back.

But there are a million ways the president could have helped them domestically that didn't involve the greatest superpower in the history of humanity being brought to its knees by a few mines. He could have given stimulus checks. That's what I suggested. He could have put um controls on oil exports. We are a net exporter of oil and gas. We we're exporting oil and gas while Americans are paying$450 at the pump. It makes no sense.

That we've lost. Now, one of the things that um again, this is I I I I don't know. I guess it's just like For some people just for whatever reason, and I guess perhaps with a lot of them it's willful, they just have this blind spot for the reality that there are limits to US power.

And even as Bacha says, you know, it's like we're the biggest strongest guy, or we're the we're the biggest strongest country ever, and we're brought down by a few minds. Like Strategically placed in the Strait of Hermos, yeah. I mean, there's a little bit more to it than that. There's some missiles and some drones and stuff. But yeah, that's essentially right. And

You know, there actually is no contradiction between those two different things. Like we're the strongest country ever, but we're also brought down by something. Like You know, quick history lesson, the founding of our country. We're uh celebrating 250 years, if you haven't heard. It's coming up.

Um, the founding of our country was us taking down the strongest, uh, most powerful military that had ever existed, which was the the British Army at the time. Um, and the British Empire was by far the strongest nation on earth. And we were able to beat them with muskets. Not mines, I suppose, but Yes, there there is um a difference between the uh um

Being strong, having power, and having limitless godlike powers. There's a difference between those things. And the the fact that, I mean, I don't, again, this is like very basic. Like maybe the most fundamental 101 lesson of like military history is that There's, yes, even a much more powerful military, when overex extended, can be defeated by less powerful forces. Yes, there are asymmetrical wars, and sometimes there are asymmetrical victories in war. And so again, it's not. You know, it's um

It's not a question of who has a stronger military, us or Iran. Nobody is debating that. Obviously, we have a stronger one. It's not who can blow more of their shit up versus who can blow more of our shit up. Obviously, we can blow a lot more of their shit up. But then there are these very tangible logistical questions that were obvious from the very beginning of this thing. Just incredibly obvious. Questions like. How do you do regime change without a ground force? When has that ever happened?

It's it's incredibly difficult. In fact, I've I've heard several military experts say that it's never happened. And I I would love to like question that. I I don't know. I'd have to like go research on that. But has there ever been a purely from the air? Regime change accomplished. I mean, I know in Libya and Syria we had some forces on the ground, and sure, we used Al-Qaeda uh when convenient, but

Anyway, without now, of course there's other questions about if you don't have a military occupation, how do you replace the regime after you change it? That's a pretty big one. And there's also uh um major questions about You know, right. Like so if you have an IRGC with a couple hundred thousand members, how do you take that out from the sky? Okay, that's a pretty tough qu that was pretty obvious. Okay, what about escalation dominance?

What do we do if they touch all of our bases in the region? They've got a large stockpile of missiles. They can do that. What about the strait? All they have to do is be able to plant a few mines, target a few boats before regular people who aren't members of the military. Don't want to risk their lives. Um to to go through this straight where they're being shot at.

And you have insurance companies that have ships with$50 billion worth of cargo on them who don't feel like insuring that when they might take a$50 billion loss if an Iranian drone hits that ship. Okay, that's a tangible problem. And it doesn't matter how, well, we spend a trillion dollars a year on our military. Okay, but how do you solve that problem? But none of them want to admit what is the obvious case here, which is that we got beat.

You know, but all all of them, and it's important for MAGA to understand this and understand what just happened here. All of these guys are essentially saying something that really doesn't pass the smell test. That you should be able to look at and go, okay, there's a pretty big problem with what you're telling me here. You know, it reminds me of.

If you guys remember, back uh during COVID, me and Rob used to make this joke. You know, it's it's sometimes you have all these arguments, but then you could just go to this like basic, kind of logical, like smell test. So when they were pushing the COVID vaccines, they were essentially saying that

COVID is so deadly. This this thing is so awful that we had to lock down the whole country because they were still supporting lockdowns. You know, we had to lock down the country because we we had to slow the spread or whate whatever, fight the flatten the curve, whatever their dumb argument at the time was. And um and so it's such an uh horrible um illness. The germ is so dangerous that we had to shut down the entire world, but now we have this cure.

We have this vaccine. It is safe and effective. Safe and effective. And if you get it, you you 100% will not get COVID. You can't transmit COVID. The whole plague. Essentially, we have a plague and now we have a cure for the plague with no side effects. And yet we have this major problem of vaccine hesitancy. And you just like already, if you just look at that, you go, so you're telling me we're living through the plague and we came up with the cure and people don't want it.

That's a really tough sell, right? Now, all of us looking back at that, we kind of laugh because obviously they this is indicates that they were lying through their fucking teeth about the whole thing. And we had lots of reasons to know that at the time and lots more reasons to know that now. But You know, just think about the idea of even trying to sell that. So what these guys are trying to sell.

Is that it was a great idea to do to launch the war. That we did destroy so much of their stuff. And the only problem here is that then at the end. Donald Trump gave them everything. It's as ridiculous as the narrative around the vaccine. It's as ridiculous. What are the odds of that? Donald Trump went into this war. He he had it. He had won. We were about to get everything we wanted. And then at the last minute, he said, no, no, no, you take everything.

He he pulled his gun on the other guy, they put their hands up, you win, and then you give them your wallet. That doesn't sound right. Now, does it? Oh, oh yeah, because that's not what happened. That's not what happened. What happened here is that this is the only way we could get them to sign on to the agreement, which Donald Trump was desperate to get them to sign on to. For obvious reasons.

You know, it's like we listened, we listened one more time to the Israelis and their lobby and the idiot warhawks. And just like they were wrong about everything else, they were wrong about this one too. And you know.

I don't know. Looking looking back at it, it's like as somebody who was very critical of the twelve day war and very critical of Donald Trump. Well, the Epstein files the twelve day war and now this war in Iran again and a lot of stuff in between. It's like The the amount of shit that we took from MAGA, like

Again, who cares at this point? We got a country to save. But if if we are having this conversation, it is worth pointing out that MAGA right now, like if you're not the Israel lobby, but you just like support Donald Trump. Just think about where these guys led you versus guys like Tucker Carlson, who were trying to warn you about exactly this, exactly where we are now.

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One of the things actually that got me thinking about this conversation um was that JD Vance went on Megan Kelly's show the other day. And there are um There are people in who are actually like very upset about this. There are like uh uh people in MAGA who because you know.

MAGA is Mark Levin now, right? And Mark Levin and and Donald Trump himself has has trashed Megan Kelly and she's grandma groiper according to Mark Levin and Laura Loomer, like according to all the cartoon characters who are clearly here to serve as foreign spies. Um, they they all decided she's to so now Megan Kelly has really become, in my opinion here, a very interesting phenomenon. Um, because Because Megan Kelly is so first of all, she's she's an institution.

amongst like American conservatism at this point. She had the number one show on Fox News many, many years ago. And she's still here with one of the biggest shows today. Um she is one of the

One of the reasons why Megan Kelly is almost even more revealing of how crazy things got is that Megan is not. Megan doesn't even have the politics of Tucker Carlson, let alone Candace Owens, let alone Nick Fuentes or something like that. Megan Kelly is really Megan Kelly. She's kind of been Megan Kelly this whole time.

She's only guilty, like essentially her only crime from going from being like the conservative darling, the person that all of the people trashing her right now would have had like just the utmost respect for and would have spoken about in like the the highest, you know, praise. The only thing she's guilty about is not losing her mind with all of them through this collective freakout.

Like she essentially just kind of went, like, well, you know, Tucker has a right to make the arguments he's making too. If I remember the comment that she made about me. In the Charlie Kirk episode, the the famous episode where Charlie Kirk was on her show and they were both is her and Charlie Kirk, right? These are moderate Republicans, Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk.

So the episode they were on together where Charlie Kirk was complaining about how like, my God, you could be the most pro Israel guy ever and I criticize one thing and all of them are like trying to they're calling me a Nazi and all this stuff. So this now famous episode, which was actually pretty famous before he died, but became much more so after. Um, in that at one point she said about me.

If she if she just points out that like, eh, you know, they uh Donald Trump is selling you at the beginning of this war, like, oh, this war is gonna go so great. And you know what Megan Kelly said? Think about like how um By definition, how moderate of a statement this is. This is what Megan Kelly said when the war first broke out. She goes.

You know, I worked at Fox News for a while and I've seen a lot of people pushing wars and celebrating and telling you how great it's gonna work out, and it never ends up being that. You know, I've seen this movie play like seven different times. And it just never ends up. It always ends so. I'm gonna be cautious on this one. Like literally, that was her take.

And for that, you're a Nazi. You know, like you're a Nazi for thinking maybe we shouldn't launch a war of choice. But anyway, one of the reasons why I think Megan Kelly is kind of interesting here is because so Megan Kelly has been totally reasonable this whole time. She's still Megan Kelly. And in some ways, you're almost going like, Hey, so what comes out of all of this?

Geez man, now Donald Trump has infuriated all of the non interventionists, infuriated all of the skeptics of the Israel lobby. Um, now he launches this terrible war. It ends up being the disaster that all the people he infuriated said it was gonna be. Now he's trying to pull out, so he's infuriating the Israel lobby. And so In the midst of all of this, JD Vance goes on Megan Kelly's show. And I thought this was just kind of interesting. Like, okay, here's the vice president. Now I gotta say.

Couple thoughts on this. Number one, the people who were like upset, they're the people out there like going like, oh, what is JD Vance doing going on this Nazis show or something? It is unbelievable. It's it's much like with the actual memorandum of understanding. And this is why I made this point at the beginning of the show. It's like do you guys not realize what a position of weakness you're coming to this negotiation with?

You know, Bacha and the Fox News lady and Brian Kilmead, they can spin this however they want to. Who do you think you are? Oh, what's he going on Megan Kelly's show for? Excuse me, we ran this experiment. Megan Kelly was right. You were wrong. Sorry, that if we're going to move forward here and we're going to try our best to at least get some wins out of this administration. And by the way, not.

the the global depression that is threatened if this war isn't resolved. If we're gonna move forward, let's just get a few things clear. This war was a stupid idea. You didn't listen to us and you launched it anyway. And you know what you did? You lost. You fucking lost. You humiliated the country. It was devastating. There's there's um 13 American soldiers are dead because of this stupid war with nothing to show for it. So like, yeah, Megan Kelly was right.

You guys were wrong. You should be lucky to get back on our team. Now, the other thing that's going on here, man, and I really gotta say, This is maybe as blatant as when Joe Biden put Kamala Harris in charge of the border. And you were like, oh, you must really hate Kamala Harris. Cause my God, imagine just assigning her your biggest problem.

Okay, in the same way, this is what they're doing at JD Vance right now. They are um they are sicking JD Vance. With the responsibility of selling this capitulation. His job now is to go out there and explain why this war was a really good idea and this deal is a really good idea. No, I know what you're saying. You know, a lot of people are saying that this is essentially unconditional surrender. But really, if you look at it from the right angle, it's us winning.

This is his job. And you know, in typical fashion, because Megan Kelly, and I I don't mean this as like I mean this as a compliment, actually, but because she is a moderate, very much by nature. She was kind and reasonable to to JD Vance. She could have been a lot harsher on him. Um, but just so we're clear.

Miriam Adelson's favorite member of this administration, Marco Rubio, he's not being sent around to be the one who's claiming this is a huge victory. No, is he? No, JD Vance is the one who's supposed to take the fall for this. Um, and it's it's and you'll see that it's it's already happening. The Hawks are blaming JD Vance for for all this stuff. Anyway, let's play here is uh JD Vance on the Megan Kelly show, uh talking about Everything that's going on.

Sneak attack like a fucking coward, like a criminal. You launched a war against a country who had not attacked America over a civilian nuclear program, which was being monitored until you launched the last war. And what did it accomplish? You got 13 of our boys killed. You got hundreds of our our boys and girls injured. Um, you killed. Hundreds of little girls at a at a school, thousands of innocent people, hundreds of billions of dollars of damage.

Hundreds of billions of dollars of damage to the global economy, all to fucking lose and bribe them to stop. What is this? What this is what JD Vance has to come with us? This is you wanna send your vice president out. Now you're not gonna send him on Tucker Carlson because it's been a little bit too heated there. Obviously, he can't do Candace Owens or any of these other shows, but the one avenue you have, okay, he'll go to Megan Kelly and he's gonna talk directly to Fucking me.

I mean, I don't mean to be narcissistic and make this about me. I just mean that she mentioned the non-interventionist right. I mean us. Talk about us. What is the implication here that we wouldn't care if only Israel? Our beef isn't that Israel got us to do a thing. Okay? If Israel got a doctor to cure cancer, I wouldn't be upset with them. Our beef is that Israel got us to do a horrific evil thing that's not in our national interest. Let's keep playing.

Let's pause it. Yes, we didn't get the quagmire because Donald Trump offered him hundreds of billions of dollars to stop. That's how we didn't get the quagmire. But their nuclear program is obliterated. But the nuclear weapon that they never had still doesn't exist. That's listen, man. I think the war in Iraq was a huge success because their nuclear program was obliterated. Their weapon, their WMDs are no longer there. What a success. This I mean this is just a joke. Anyway, keep going.

You know, some people have criticized our immigration policy, or some people have criticized tax policy, or some people have criticized foreign. The way that politics works is that you have to stay engaged in the process. You absolutely have to make your voice heard. But right now,

Right now, we have a very good deal for the American people. And importantly, we have a constituency right now that is saying that we're going to send boots on the ground. They want the Donald Trump to send hundreds of thousands of ground troops into Iran. The best thing we

So maybe I'll hold off on on my counter offer, but just to be clear about what JD Bounce is saying, he goes, look.

And so yeah, like when we say we don't want to launch a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign country, that is a disaster. Um, that's something like we're really against. We really mean that. It's kind of a deal breaker for us. But he's gonna say, hey, look, you don't pick up your balls and go home over one thing not going your way. You gotta push back from inside the tent, meaning I gotta still support Donald Trump in order to push back.

And the problem with that, of course, is that many of us did support Donald Trump. I gave it my best effort. I had President Donald Trump's son quote tweeting me, saying he's on it 100% that we're going to keep all the neocons out of this administration. We tried our best to push back from inside the tent. We were explicitly told by the guy up top that we're not in the tent anymore and that the movement is Mark Levin. So.

Probably not exactly what we're gonna do. Um now Megan Kelly is gonna make here. I'll save my counter offer uh for the end, but here's Megan Kelly's gonna bring up what happens when you do pushback. I would do this important point.

JD Vance is trying to sell Donald Trump to this audience, and I'm gonna push back against this a little bit because I don't think that this is actually what's required. And also, this is not Donald Trump engaging, as Megan Kelly says. Donald Trump could engage. This is J.D. Vance engaging with Megan Kelly.

It's not like Donald Trump's going on Tucker Carlson show so they can get into where they disagree. That would be hey, at least then JD Vance would have a point, say what you will, but he's engaging. But This is kind of what I was getting at earlier in the show when I said that, look, MAGA, if we're entering a negotiation here of sorts, which in in a way isn't that kind of what JD Vance is doing, right? Like in a sense.

Donald Trump and the administration, they're entering into negotiations with the Iranians. We're putting together this memorandum of understanding. In a weird way, JD Vance is also entering into negotiations with us.

He's talking to the non-interventionist right. You know, he's talking about Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson's audience. Okay. Well, there's a whole lot of overlap between my audience and Tucker Carlson's. I'm a person who regularly goes on Tucker Carlson's show and I've I'm friends with Tucker and you know I'm So, as somebody kind of in this world is a somewhat influential figure in the non-interventionist right, okay, let me respond to these negotiations. You're essentially saying, hey.

I'd like you to here's what I'd like you to do. I'd like you to stay inside the tent. I'd like you to support Donald Trump. We can have criticism when we don't, but keep supporting this ticket now going forward. This is a good deal. You know, you're asking something of us. We are kind of asking something of you. There's a it's a bit of a negotiation. And much like in your other negotiation with the one with Iran, where you had to realize that, oh yeah, you don't have all of the cards.

You don't have all of the chips. And in fact, if you look at the memorandum of understanding, what's been leaked, there's a whole lot of things America has to do. There's only a couple things Iran has to do. Um, Iran's like, open the straight. Promise once again that you won't get nukes. Okay, we're gonna do all this shit. We're gonna leave the area, end the sanctions, open up the frozen assets, put together the fund, like all this stuff.

You're in a very similar situation with us right now. Just saying, you're kind of in that situation with us. You've lost. It's obvious. Even your own propaganda machine is saying you've lost. They are not running with you. They're not defending you. You're coming to Megan Kelly now.

For the same reason that Iran's make uh that Donald Trump is making a deal with Iran right now. Because you have to. Because there's something you want out of these negotiations as well. It's not right. It's not look, here's the thing. They know this. And and this is the deal I'm gonna make here. Okay. This is my offer to MAGA. And I want to hear your guys' response. My listeners, MAGA people, I'm interested to hear uh what you think of this.

The reason why JD Vance is coming back to negotiate, much like the reason why Donald Trump is going to negotiate with the Iranians, is because there's something we need from them. That's part of the reason why he's giving them hundreds of billions of dollars. We need the straight open. We need, you know, there's something we need. Okay, well, what is it that JD Vance needs? JD Vance. is has to sell this thing.

To keep his political future alive, to keep this his this presidency that he's tied to alive, he needs to sell he knows he's got the fight of his life now with the Israel lobby over the next 60 days for them to try to get this thing done. And so essentially he needs some backup. He's going to Megan Kelly to be like, no, guys, this isn't a bad deal. You know it's a bad deal. Mark Levin wants boots on the ground. That's a bad deal. And hey, You've come to the right place, you know?

There's something that you want from us, and we kind of do have that. And you know what? I'm kind of inclined to give it to you. And so you're right. You need backup. We need to defend Donald Trump making this decision to admit

It might become the mean poll for Donald Trump real soon. Um and so keep in mind the country hates Donald Trump's guts. He's one of the most unpopular, if not the most unpopular president in modern American history. You're not in a position of strength. But here's what I'm going to give you. Here's what I'll offer to MAGA. I will tone down for the next 60 days. I will do my best to tone down my criticism of um the people pushing this deal and ramp up my criticism of the Israel lobby, Fox News.

All the people Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israel government, all the people who are trying to destroy this deal and keep the war going.

You know, much like the the your ex, you still got a kid together, but you cheated many times in this relationship and you're not coming back to a relationship. We will help you do right by the kid, though. The kid is this deal, the kid is the country. We'll help. In that effort, we will get out there and we will fight the Mark Levin's and the Ben Shapiros of the world. We'll make that a focus going forward.

But we're not going to forget what you did. And we're going to remind you that that was really a deal breaker for us. And so the only thing that we ask for in return. This is it. It's a very reasonable deal. It's not going to cost you nearly as much as the deal with the RAN. I'm not even looking for$300 billion. All I'm saying is that JD Vance, you can't be the guy going forward, and we need you all to support Thomas Massey for president. That's all I'm asking for. Fair deal.

And I think you're I think you guys should consider taking it. And listen, MAGA, I'm talking to you guys here. One of the benefits you get is that he's actually MAGA. I mean, he's actually America first. He actually believes in all the stuff that you claim to. We're sorry, we're you made the mistake of listening to Mark Levin. We are never listening to Mark Levin again. And so now I think you should get on board with someone who we can trust not to do that. I think this is a fair deal.

And by the way, we reserve the right to still bash you guys for making this decision because you did, and you're gonna have to live with that. But here's the deal. We'll fight against the people uh trying to hold up this deal. We'll give you political cover right now for the moment. And we all agree to support Thomas Massey for president in two thousand twenty eight. I think it's a fair deal. I think it's something you should consider. And that's our show for today. All right.

Catch you guys on Monday. Peace.