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From Presidential Suite To Prison Cell

Sep 24, 202320 minEp. 119
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Can you imagine a former president behind bars? That's the shocking possibility we're discussing today as we delve into Donald Trump's expressed fears of prison. We'll dissect the mountain of evidence piling up from the investigation - classified documents left at Mar-a-Lago, attempts to erase security footage, and more. 

While the media is ablaze with speculation, we go a step further - exploring the potential implications of separating Trump's trial from that of Cheeseboro and Sidney Powell, and what it spells if Trump isn't the first to face the jury. We're also taking a critical look at the media's role and how evidence could be presented in court without rebuttal. Lastly, we'll be addressing the controversy around equal treatment for former presidents - in an era where Trump supporters clamor for charges against political opponents while defending Trump's actions, we question if a presidential run should grant immunity from criminal liability. It's a loaded discussion you don't want to miss.

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Yo , what up ? This is D-Night and you're listening to the Part of the Interaction Podcast . We've got yet another pocket part and edition of the podcast for you today . As per the usual , there's more insanity going on in the news and we can possibly cover on the podcast , because there's just not enough time .

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So , in case you missed it , even though Trump has publicly expressed that he's not remotely concerned with the prospect that he might be heading to prison , given the fact that he's facing 91 criminal counts and multiple jurisdictions all over the country which , if you just listen to that sentence alone , is absolutely fucking bonkers it's been reported that he has

privately expressed concerns , if not has an outright obsession , with the prospect that he might be going to jail . He's got a number of questions about what that might entail , that he's been asking people in his inner circle and his lawyers and such .

So of course , one of the things he's been asking about is if you were to be sentenced to prison , what type of prison would he be spending the rest of his sentence in ? Would it be like a high quality federal prison , what they typically refer to as club fed , nice , clean , minimal security , plenty of amenities for inmates and what not ?

Or would he end up in some kind of hellhole like , I don't know , rice Street jail down in Folsom County that has a record of well not being hospitable ? How about we say that ? Like , apparently he's concerned that he might spend time in what he literally said was a bad prison .

He's also asked whether or not , even if he were convicted , would he be able to avoid a prison sentence entirely with something along the lines of home confinement . You know , whether or not the federal government try to strip him of his lifetime secret service protections .

And of course , most importantly , he wants to know , if he were to be sentenced to prison , what would he have to wear ?

He seems to be extremely concerned that he might be forced to wear an orange jumpsuit , which you know , given the way he paints his face and dyes his hair , you would assume that , like , the orange jumpsuit would just blend in to be perfect .

But I guess you know , for a former president who is obsessed with always being camera-ready at all times , like the inability to dye himself orange , yet be forced to wear the orange jumpsuit would probably be I don't know all the things he'd be forced to deal with the utmost of travesties .

Now I would say , of course he absolutely needs to be concerned with the prospects of going to jail because if you just look at the degree of evidence in all of his criminal trials , florida , where he has the friendliest judge , like in that case , seems the most airtight of any . We've got the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago .

After he was told to turn them over to the feds , he was like nah .

But not only that he tried to hide them from his lawyer so that he could handpick which documents he wanted to keep , which makes him look even more guilty , because at least if he hadn't turned over anything , he could make the argument that he felt like the government wasn't entitled to any of these documents . That's not the case , because he turns them in .

So of course he was extracting the investigation and failed to satisfy the conditions of the subpoena . And not only that , not only did he try to hide the documents from his lawyers , we got his valet and the maintenance guy running around on camera moving the shit .

And then not only that when they discovered they had video of them moving the boxes around , they tried to tell them to have the shit deleted , and they were like , well damn , how are we going to figure out how to do that ?

And then you got a video of them wandering around the entire fucking property on camera discussing how to get rid of this fucking security camera footage . And then not only that , you had the head of Mar-a-Lago security telling these fucks not to mess with the security footage . And then they tried to do it anyway .

And then they tried to flood the fucking server room by draining the pool in there . And then , not only that , you had like the sham , wow of criminal conspiracies . But wait , there's more . You got Molly Michael out here like , yeah , trump knew about the boxes . We were hauling them back and forth to his office for him to sort through .

He's , above all , the person who knew exactly what was in those boxes of documents . But wait , there's more . Molly Michael's like , not only did he know what was in the fucking boxes , he was literally writing down to-do lists on the fucking classified documents themselves and like passing them out .

And when the FBI came to see the shit in August of last year , she showed up the next day looking through her stuff and was like , oh damn , here's the shit where he wrote the to-do lists on . The FBI didn't find that . Let me go ahead and turn that in . So she's probably been cooperating this entire time . He's fucking hammered .

And that's just Florida If we didn't have Judge Cannon down there in Florida , where we know to have an obvious level of favoritism towards Trump , who appears to be on pace to delay his trial until after the election , we'd absolutely be saying he'd be going to jail down there on the documents in obstruction case .

And if she's not able to find a way to personally take the case and he is somehow found guilty , I'm absolutely sure that she , because it's in her discretion , at the very worst she would make sure he sent us to home confinement . But based on evidence alone down there he's toast . Toast , I tell you . And again , that's just Florida .

Because if you check back in DC , considering the amount of asinine motions his lawyers are making that are based on absolutely nothing substantive , you gotta , you must have to believe that they don't think he's gonna wiggle his way out of that one either . They're already behaving as though they're about to lose this partial gag order request by Jack Smith's team .

Because early in September Smith's team filed under seal a motion to basically have Trump stop saying shit that could threaten witnesses or the judge or the prosecutors or anything that could take the jury . And while that motion was filed under seal , well , trump's team's response was to publicly file a motion to have Chuck and recuse herself .

Well , why the fuck will they do that ? She ain't done anything wrong . Well , it's because it's because we only found out about that motion for a gag order after Trump's team requested judge Chuck and a recuse herself , which would make it seem as though , like Chuck in ruling in favor of shutting Trump .

The fuck up would seem like retaliation , you know , for Trump asking her to recuse herself , when in fact it's the total fucking opposite , the absolute total opposite .

And Trump's team is requesting that she recuse herself because of an apparent and obvious bias , because of statements she made in other DC cases where the defendants , after being found guilty and you know requests for lenient sentencing were bringing up the fact that you know why should they have to serve extremely long prison sentences when they were there on Trump's

orders ? Like and she has to respond to that Like it's not like she injected Trump's name into this shit because of her own personal biases , but she's like , hey man , like it's not my fault that the shit you were doing was in service to this other guy that you're in total loyalty to . Like that's your fault , I got on with control over that .

That's up to the DOJ . Like she didn't make any prosecutorial decisions to that regard .

And Trump's like , well , even though she didn't say my name , she was referring to me , so he's got his lawyers out here basically admitting that they believe that he's at fault for January 6th and trying to make it seem as though Chuck is being biased here and because of her previous comments , even though she never mentions him by name and never interjects him on

her own , but only in passing in response to individuals who were convicted , who were trying to point the finger at Trump . Yeah , and even still , this motion to get Judge getting to recuse herself , it was never going to work . They're not actually trying to get her off the bench , they just wanted something to braille about in public , right ?

So you know how the process for recuse works . Well , in this particular instance , it's a whole different special scenario down there in Florida , because they're dealing with classified documents . We'll get to that another time . So in DC it's going to be like hey , judge , recuse yourself , and guess who gets to decide whether the judge has to recuse herself ?

The fucking judge . She's going to be like no next . And then Trump's people are going to try to use that as some kind of public facing argument that they can get out to the media .

And of course , the media eat it all up that she's somehow biased , but she hasn't recused herself and so that means the trial is rigged and it's a witch hunt and blah , blah , blah , so on and so forth . But yeah , I'm just telling you that now in advance , so you know exactly what's coming and don't fall for the Okie-Doke .

The media shouldn't fall for the Okie-Doke either , but I have no faith in them . I mean , just to be honest , this past week is the most disgusting I've ever been with like mainstream media , front to back , top to bottom .

Every single fucking person out there , even your favorites like Rachel Maddow and such , just letting Trump go on her network and like spin insane shit and no one even calls it out it's bananas , the fuck .

So , down in Georgia , trump's managed to succeed in having his trial severed from cheeseboro and pow , which you know in one case is good for him , I guess , in the sense that , like he's hoping to delay this as long as possible so that he can win the 2024 election and use the powers of the federal government to keep his ass out of prison .

So cheeseboro and pow will be going on trial first , likely as soon as the end of October , and you know a number of talking heads and podcasters and media figures out there have been pondering whether or not it's .

It's a good thing for Trump's criminal defense to get an opportunity to see other people go on trial first and see the evidence so they can prepare defense and blah , blah , blah , so on and so forth . Does this put Fanny Willis in Georgia at a disadvantage ? The answer is no .

You know , having separate trials for multiple related criminal defendants as part of conspiracy is the norm , depending on the size of the conspiracy . So this isn't like out of left field or anything and the possibility that they were going to have to hold multiple trials and there are pros and cons . But the sore cuts both ways .

Like , yeah , trump's people will get a preview of the evidence so they might have time to prepare some kind of specific defense to whatever evidence is presented . A trial for cheeseboro and pow . But on the flip side , we get to see all the evidence against Trump and there's no one there to fucking rebut it . All this shit will be on TV .

She's just going to hammer Trump with all the criminal behavior and criminal activity and he engaged in , as well as the others around him , and Trump's lawyers won't be at the trial to defend him in any fucking way and in fact cheeseboro and pow's lawyers might decide to point the finger at Trump as well and say it was all him . He did it .

Yeah , you got him , guys , but we didn't have anything to do with this . We were just like giving him advice . It's not our fault that he didn't follow our legal recommendations and went off on this fucking criminal crime spree .

Willis is going to have the opportunity to bury his ass and no one's going to rebut any of the facts that she presents in court , and there's going to be months and months between this trial and the opportunity for him to go to trial and defend himself in court . So I'm going to bet that this is a net negative for Trump politically and legally and like .

The other thing is , willis doesn't have to present every single piece of evidence against Trump at the trial of cheeseboro and pow , so she can save certain legal arguments that she might only want to make when Trump himself is directly on trial and process .

Or rather , trump's defense counsel won't have the opportunity to see that evidence presented in advance and even though they'll have the time to prepare what they might consider an adequate legal no-transcript , they still won't be getting that preview Right .

So the evidence will be turned over in discovery , sure , but you don't know what arguments the prosecutors are gonna make until they make them .

And it's also possible that if pal and cheeseboro are convicted , like a number of Trump's co-conspirators might see that trial months in advance and decide that they want to plead guilty and fucking cooperate and hopefully try and Faneigle their way out of go on the prison , which means fingering Trump , which means bad news for Trump and Trump Defense Council .

So it could all go fucking wrong for him , like not having the opportunity to be the first , first up in presenting his defense by going to trial as early as possible .

And if you just think about it from like a practical perspective Like , let's say , your Trump and you absolutely know you're not guilty of any crimes whatsoever and you've got like clear and convincing evidence to support that fact , wouldn't you want to get to court as early as possible so you can put on your defense and then be found not guilty and then you can

go on national TV and declare yourself completely and totally exonerated ? Isn't that what you would want to do ? It's like the same thing with the Mueller report , like in that case you had Bill Barr able to put the spin on it , but like if he was completely and totally exonerated , why did it take him a fucking month to put the report out ?

You see what I'm saying here . See what I'm saying . Do , sitting right here talking about how this is just an attempt to interfere with the 2024 presidential election . Well , bro , you could drop out , like you don't have to run for office . You could be like damn my face in all these criminal counts .

Maybe I should just give up campaigning and focus on my criminal defense , you know ? Or you could try to take things to trial as fast as possible and thereby avoid a conflict with your campaign by getting the trial out of the way . If you're so innocent , prove it in court . Prove it in court . That's . That's a possibility .

You could do it , it's an option , it's there on the table . But , of course , if anything it's obvious , it's the fact that he's using the 2024 election to interfere with his criminal trials . So , with all that said , back to what Trump was pondering earlier Is he gonna go to jail ? Well , he's absolutely fucking right to be worried .

We'll just say that , and I hold . The endless fear of going to prison is keeping him up at night . You better pick up a set of sheets from sheets and giggles so we can get some fucking sleep . Do something Gonna be . You can lip this pillow , whatever Colin got on sale . Do I think Trump's going to jail ? Well , if he's convicted in DC ?

I'm gonna go , almost certainly for a couple of reasons , you know . To address one of the concerns people have been having about , you know , trump going to jail is like well , he's got Secret Service protection . What about the Secret Service ? Well , what do you think's easier ?

I locking Trump up in a security facility and having a couple of Secret Service agents monitor his cell 24 hours a day ? Or securing more fucking logo where all kinds of foreign agents and who knows what other kind of fuckers are sneaking around day in , day out and he's around .

You know , hundreds of thousands of weird ass fucking random people over the course of a year . Like which ? Which do you think is the more feasible scenario ?

I'm going with jail For obvious reasons and the other consideration for why I think Trump is going to jail , especially if he gets convicted in DC , and especially especially with Judge Chuckin , like this is a judge you know , as well as a number of other judges in DC .

They've all had a similar situation play out before them in their courthouse over the course of the past couple of years . Like , how was Judge Chuckin supposed to explain to herself how all these hundreds of people who have been convicted of crimes for their actions on January 6th that she sentenced to jail time ?

How can she look at the proud boys and the oath keepers who are getting you know decade plus time for their role in the attack on the Capitol on January 6th ? And then Trump is the ringleader . He's convicted for his role in the plot to overthrow the government .

How was she exposed to explain to herself how all those other fucking people got sentenced to prison time for their crimes but somehow Trump should get house arrest ? It doesn't make any sense if you think about it . Like Chuckin is like me , she's like the dude that planned this need to be held accountable , but that's no excuse for your behavior on January 6th .

And now the dude who's responsible for planning all of this is in her courtroom . So of course , of course , if he's convicted , she got sentenced to ass , to jail . I mean , it's right there in front of you , very straightforward .

You know , for all the arguments about how we shouldn't be doing this to , you know , former presidents of the United States , especially if they're running for office and whatnot . You listen to the people making those arguments . Part of them were all for , you know , trying to lock up Hillary Clinton for some shit .

That wasn't a crime when she was running for president . You know , got Trumpers out here , been arguing for years . Locked Hillary up , lock up Obama , lock up Biden , lock up everybody . But when their guy goes on a massive fucking criminal rampage committing all sorts of crimes , they're like oh wait , not like that , not like that .

And I would say , if you spent the entirety of your political career campaigning on the platform of locking up your political opponents , maybe you shouldn't go out here and commit no crimes . Doesn't that sound like a good idea , don't you think maybe in that ? In that case you should have the most pristine behavior imaginable .

I'm focused on me thinking this shit through . Apparently you know he's not going to get the blue suit , red tie treatment in jail . He's going to be in the orange fucking jumpsuit like everyone else , like everyone else . President's aren't kings . When they're out of office , they should get treated like everyone else . Even Chuck Innes said this herself .

Duh , and that concludes this episode of Pour in the Insurrection .

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