Coup Coup From Washington To Moscow

Because , of course , just the insetuous , incestuous nature of right wing billionaires and Trump's crime rampage . He's in discussions with the special counsel's office to voluntarily Answer questions about the plan to create slates of pro-trump electors in swing states won by Joe Biden .

If Roman cooperates , it would be the first known instance of someone with direct knowledge of the fake elect a plan cooperating with the investigation you know , apart , obviously , from the fake electors themselves .

Michael Brown , who was questioned in front of the grand jury on Thursday as in last week , was it one time Romans deputy and could have provided insight to prosecutors about Romans involvement .

Obviously , this is yet another indication that the special counsel exactly Pursuing the investigation into election interference alongside a separate case of Trump's indictment in Florida . I'll take this one to the implications of a proffer about mr Roman . So Romans interview or proffer , or colloquial , colloquial no , locally I can't speak hello gilly , colloquially .

That's also colloquially known as the being a queen for a day , could provide Prosecutors with valuable information about the inner workings at the fake elected plan , which has become a central focus of the special counsel's investigation . Obviously , we talked about Rudy Giuliani and his cronies early in their role in orchestrating that amongst the stakes .

If they've got his communications and they also have Testimony from the fake electors but they also have the testimony from the middleman They've damn near got everybody But Trump himself .

At this point , a cooperation for someone with direct knowledge of the plan can significantly Strengthen the case and potentially lead to further prosecutions Related to election interference . So I would say that what they're doing here with this particular person Is they're not grabbing him to get information to build will . Rather , i'm Lightning's scaring you .

Yeah , they're not . They're not using the information from this guy to like build a case for an indictment . What you got going on there ? I was the cat hiding , the dogs hiding she's shaking . Baby , we saw , really it's gonna be okay . Yeah , so they're not using this guy and the information he's offering to like a build a case for , for Inditing there .

They're taking whatever information they get from him and using it to strengthen , strengthen their indictment , to build a more solid case Once the charges come .

Mike Roman , then Trump's 2020 director of election day operations , hand delivered those false elector certificates signed by Michigan and Wisconsin Trump advocates to Pennsylvania Republican Mike Kelly's chief of staff at the time , matt Stroyer right , rob .

Well , mike Kelly got them from Mike Roman , and this is how that transaction played out .

Though it's unclear specifically how the fake elector documents came into the possession of senator Ron Johnson , his top aide , sean Riley , he tried to get Johnson to hand them to vice president Pence . Moments counting the electoral votes on January 6 right .

Riley told Pence's legislative director , chris Hodgson , in text messages that Johnson wanted to hand Pence lists of The fake electors from Michigan and Wisconsin for Pence to introduce during the counting of the Electoral votes . Hodgson replied do not give that to him .

This was like all right , well , now we got the fake electors , like we need some Congress members to like get these to pants and then have them have pants Refuse to certify Biden's electors in exchange , put Trump's electors up for a vote .

Well , fuck , you know , for that to work , the fucking people who are going to vote for Trump's electors need to know in advance that there's fake electors They need to vote for . So clearly , mike Kelly and Ron Johnson are probably going to be in special counsel Jack Smith scope .

So again , when I said like I believe charges are forthcoming in the fake elected plot , i think it's going to include include some Republican Congress members , and you can probably start with these two dudes right here Yeah , kelly , and in Johnson . It's not looking great for them , i would imagine . I assume . Well , they should lawyer up . That's all I'm saying .

All right , trump's legal make lawyers .

Emails indicate that mr Roman work closely with Boris Epstein , a lawyer and political advisor on the Trump campaign , though not actually representing Trump , as well as Jenna Ellis , another lawyer who advised Trump after his defeat to Biden , as well as Christina Bob , who's you should be familiar with from the classified documents case , even though she fucked up and it

seems to no longer be Potentially involved with that endeavor , given the Trump's now been indicted . Epstein , ellis and Bob were all involved in efforts to challenge the election results and spread basis claims of voting fraud . Bob worked in close concert with Rudy Giuliani , who was overseeing the fake elected plot in the seven states .

If you'd like more information on Epstein , ellis and Bob and their involvement , check out January 6th support its rife rife with illusions to their activities .

The plot involved wide range of individuals , including pro-trump lawyer , state rep officials , a number of elected GOP officials and White House aides , aimed to pressure Mike Pence to use false slates of electors to disrupt the Congressional certification of the election Outcome on January 6th , which we've talked about to no end , when Mike Pence made it apparent Made

apparent his refusal to follow through with that plan . The certification of Biden's electors was then disrupted with the violent Mont when a violent mob stormed the Capitol . So a long story short .

With the fake electors plot , when they couldn't get the states , the state legislatures , to do this themselves , they're like alright , we'll just have some random dudes show up and be like alright , we're fake electors , and have some GOP state legislature sign off on that . Well , they had to get that shit to DC before January 6th for the certification .

Apparently , roman and individuals Associated with Mike Kelly were involved in taking those fake electors , getting them to Ron Johnson's office , and Ron Johnson was Responsible for getting them to Pence . So like all good , right , here's the fake electors . Well , pence's people was like bro , you gotta get that shit to fuck up out of here .

Well , when they did that , and they didn't have the fake electors to rely on , well , all they could hope for was that Pence would refuse to Certify Biden's electors . But apparently he wasn't going to go along with that either . So they were left with plan R Hang bank pants , i don't know .

Well , what's a good way to do that when you got a fucking violent , angry mob of armed supporters willing to storm the capital and interrupt the counting ?

it's ironic that one individual , ted Cruz , was involved in objecting to , i think , was it Arizona , the counting of Arizona's electors , which prolonged the counting of the electors in general , which gave the mob time enough to storm the capital , get to the Senate chambers and fucking close up shop .

Obviously and I don't think this is the case , but what they were thinking , i Imagine , is you know what's better than a temporary disruption of Mike Pence counting the electoral college votes ? Well , what if he was , wasn't alive and then there we know , one to certify Biden's electors .

The votes For who had become president would go back to the state legislatures if the electoral college Votes weren't counted and certified at a time , and so the state legislatures would each get a vote , 50 states , a majority of which were run by Conservatives .

So they assume that through that means That Trump would eventually become president if they delayed the counting of the electoral college votes long enough . So there you go . There's the whole plot laid it out for you .

They got all the individuals involved , from the people on the ground , the , the people at the bottom of the pyramid , the fucking fake electors , to the Romans in the middle and , you know , the Giuliani's and the bobs near the top , individuals responsible for the plotting and orchestration of this across all the states , and They're looking at all of the information

that they've gathered from all these various areas to figure out if they can nail Trot for giving them the order .

All right , the co-conspirators appear to be aware of the illegality .

In a December 2020 email to Epstein , willenshick wrote that calling them alternate electors was probably better than fake electors , one email addingly . So These fuckers knew what they were doing and they knew it was bad , but they were just hoping that the government would be overthrown and they just wouldn't find out . Nobody would find out .

They really thought they were going to get away with it .

And then here , if Giuliani was central to their fake elector , fake elector plot , coordinating with all these states , they had to all be in concert and know what the hell they were doing , so that they were all on the same page .

But they got right on it and they went at it hard and they tried to rope in a number of people And yeah , it's just the fucking shit show . I mean , you're right , it's very intricate . It involves a number of people . I originally speculated at the beginning of the investigation that hundreds of people would get indicted in this plot .

I appear to have been wrong about that , because it appears the people , the fake electors at least for the large , large majority of them appear to be witnesses . So I don't think they'll end up being targeted . But they're going to get Trump's lawyers and get the Roman guy .

They're probably going to get a couple of members of Congress Certainly going to try and get Trump as long as we invite the best people . We didn't have time to get into this , but like Trump's team thinks The best . Indictments The best indictments , the best , the very best indictments .

We didn't have time to get into this either , but Trump's team thinks Mark Mark Meadows is fucking rat Because he been silent on all fronts .

As far as Trump's team is concerned , he appears to have testified to Jack Smith's grand jury And if that's the case , you know , we had those rumors that he was going to plead guilty to some misdemeanor charges in exchange for his cooperation . I mean , we you know rumor mill , of course , obviously , but there could be some truth to that .

And if that's the case , they got Mark Meadows . I mean , he is Trump's guy . I mean , i'm sorry , i keep doing this . So Trump has the proclivity to not use his own phone to do his dirt and instead does one of two things He uses intermediaries or he uses his intermediaries phones to communicate .

Well , mark Meadows at the time was his most trusted intermediary , probably helping to coordinate all of this shit . The fake electors , you know , applauding for January 6 , or at least a rally , at least in communication with Roger Stone . He knew about the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys .

Apparently , those came up , you know , as it was revealed in the January 6 hearings , they got Mark Meadows , they got all of this shit . It's over . It's just , it's just inevitable .

Like we told you with the documents , like we told you , listeners , we told you we was like Trump's going to go to jail for this , he's going to get indicted , and people didn't fucking believe this , but we told you months ago it was going to happen . Well , trust me on this , it's going to happen with the documents , or rather the fake electors .

and should just like tell her to start at the beginning , where we play the fucking tape recording of Trump confessing the crimes .

Well , that's not quite the case , because apparently the FBI has sufficient evidence to believe a crime was committed with the fake elected plot as early as April of 2022 . Yep , which led to grand jurisprudence being issued to Republican officials in several states .

So they were , at the very least , on par with the January 6th committee's investigation , but well before the hearings . Witnesses included high ranking individuals Costa Trump , who was suspended to testify before the grand jury about the fake elected plan and other efforts to overturn the election , including Pat Cibalone , mr Trump's former White House counsel .

Gop officials from the Nevada involved in the plot gave testimony to the grand jury in Washington two weeks ago And on that same day Trump was reigning to Miami . In the classified documents , of course , covered a little bit of that . All right . So project coconut and other investigative steps .

Justice Department sees the cell phones of lawyers connected to the fake elected scheme . June 2022 . Again before the hearings , including John Eastman , jeff Clark and letter King Kuklowski .

Well , that's inappropriate to this investigative step . Aim to identify potentially privileged information and gather evidence for the ongoing investigation , and the team continues to expand the size of scope as grew to include information received from Clida Mitchell and Mark Meadows .

The involvement of an expansive filter team in the extensive analysis of C's communications highlights thoroughness and seriousness of the investigation . Man , i crammed a lot into that one fucking podcast episode that I not .

Before we wrap it up here , do either of you kiddos have a shithole of the week award ?

I mean , look , he was in a desperate situation with the state of affairs as far as Wagner group is concerned , and then the Russian government was also going to try and conscript his forces into their army , therefore eliminating their need for progosen .

So he's out here trying to buy himself a lifeline , takes a group of troops on on on a haul to hauling ass to Moscow , face no resistance and was surprised with the ease to which he was rolling up on Moscow .

Except I do believe what happened was is Putin had the FSB and his security forces round up you know high ranking Wagner officials , families , and be like man , y'all keep rolling , Everybody gone , die . And then progosen was like I'll snap , i guess I'm a pull out . Have they not considered that ?

though That's like yeah , i mean , i feel like you know the first thing you should probably do if you're going to wage a will , stage a coup , is maybe secure your families , just in case the government decides to retaliate when you , you know , you live in a fucking mafia state .

Before they even managed to get to the point where they were rolling up on Moscow , one of the things they did was they took over one of the bases at Rostov and I and you know , look , i'm not necessarily intimately familiar with the stations , the way , whether the way that nuclear weapons are stationed in Russia , but I have to imagine a small portion of their

arsenal was probably at Rostov . And you know , i would like to say that maybe one of progosen's means for securing some kind of insurance program as to his survival , as it pertains to not getting murdered , like staying away from windows whether he's actually near a window or not was to procure some of the nuclear weapons arsenal that was staged at Rostov .

And that is probably how he ended up in a position where Putin didn't immediately try to have him mert upon agreeing to end his March on Moscow . So there you go . Putin was like we got your families , try me if you want to . And Pregosin was like well , i got these nukes , try me if you want to Stale mate .

You would think he would be a little bit more upset , but I mean , i think it started before because when Wangigroup first went into Bakhmut and failed to and basically got their ass handed to them , Yeah , much like the rest of the story . I think it's when they were like , what the fuck are we doing ?

Like I think that put planets and seeds because there had been tension since then between Pregosin and the Kremlin . So I think this is I don't know that maybe he started formulating his plan . then It's just reckless speculation , but that maybe that he had already kind of started planting the seeds .

And then I read that when they were marching towards Moscow , that they were getting like being applauded and people were like clapping and stuff for them , like when they were rolling up .

So I think that is maybe something that kind of gave Putin pause to do something like if , like how it would blow back on him seeing the support that Pregosin had from Russian people . So he's like , yeah , i can't really just probably outright kill this guy . So we're going to have to figure shit out .

What keeps the fucking government running , besides bribes , is like Putin being the strong , appearing to be the strongman , and if he can get challenged by Pregosin , who by all means is no military genius he a fucking criminal who got out of jail and was selling high dogs and turned that into a multi-billion dollar , multi-billion dollar private military company .

If you let it do like that , test you and get that close , then imagine somebody with some real organizational skills and some real support behind them , not just like the public support but like private support as far as like FSB officials and the GRU and security forces around Russia particularly Moscow Also who might have some connections to the oligarch buddies who

Putin's pays off in order in exchange for their support . Like , if he can get those guys behind them and particularly maybe strike some kind of whoever this individual may be who wants to come after Putin's job could come out and publicly ask for a power sharing agreement between himself and Navalny , who's in prison , could cause some fucking serious trouble .

Maybe get Putin up out of there . I don't know The regime's going to fall . There's a lot of people in here who are more intimately familiar with the comings and goings of the political structures in Moscow . I'm sure .

Either any of these individuals are better than Putin is that Putin is more focused with dealing with the internal strife in Russia and that distracting him from causing havoc elsewhere in the world especially Ukraine , right , whatever will get him to can focus on consolidating power back at home .

Pulling out his troops from from Ukraine and bringing them back to Russia , just in case , you know , to protect from the possibility of another coup , is just better for everyone , everyone involved . Better for us , like if someone does have to knock off Putin .

Like they certainly won't be engaged in any fucking shenanigans in Ukraine or elsewhere As far as the military is concerned , because there'll be two bits of trying to pick up the fucking pieces and Garner support , like Putin is the one thing holding this shit together .

And once that glue is gone , like Russia will fracture and the power vacuum created will create such a mess that at least we won't have to be dealing with them in the 2024 election , and the fingers crossed is what I'm fucking hoping for . All right , should hold the week war , if any of you , either of you have one go .

we are almost we're , we're almost to the end . We're halfway through Biden's term , like 2024 is not that far away , you know , like it's , it's .

Trump knows that his days are numbered and the fact that he has moved so swiftly in the classified documents case They got a lot of people forgot that he's also working on the January 6 case simultaneously And that's going to get a lot of people caught up . Guess who didn't forget that they are boy They're , they are scared .

Especially Marjorie Taylor Green , that bitch is . She's terrified . You can tell in the stuff that she writes and she she's just hoping that , i don't know probably there be some kind of cool or something before she gets caught up and and gets the damn karma and justice that she deserves For all of you know all of her fuckery .

They're trying to ramp up the violence and that's just just particularly Like I said , it's tear , it's really terrifying , it's , it really is like I never thought about things before , like but where to move If just in case . If it would be like it's and then like can I go ? like it's ?

I don't know , it's just , it's just insane And we can't let you are going to go to Ghana . I was , i'm gonna still on the list . It is , but if I get my little house and Anthony , anthony won't be so bad . Anthony won't be so bad . Christopher , he says he's all , he's all down .

the next day is like wait , i got to cancel the last thing because this is more important than that , and then the day of the podcast . I'm like , all right , i'm still scrambling because more shit broke today . now to throw that in the notes to .

and then boom , we have a fucking hour and a half long podcast in its field to the brim with information , and I can't even really get to every point . I would like to make this just too fucking much . Yeah , you're absolutely right , it's insane . But , tie , i would love to assuage your fears and I'm not necessarily sure how comforting this will be .

But yes , i'm worried about the potential damage Republicans can do if they ever get back into the White House , especially in 2024 . On the other hand , especially with all the shit fuckery , it is incredibly impressive .

the word jacksman is done so far and I'm looking forward to more diamonds coming soon here in the fake electors plot and inevitably the January 6th plot and the way it's looking , considering the information he's gathered so far . he bought the strike to fear God and a lot of these motherfuckers and I bet they gonna shut the fuck up soon .

And that concludes this episode of part of the interaction .