Episode 29: Leaving White Nationalism - A Journey of Embalming, Torture Porn, Bodybuilding, and Eventual Disillusionment with White Pride

CW: Hate speech/language

On this episode...I revisit "The Hate Project" episode 33 which originally aired on August 5th, 2013.  I have a great interview with Corinna Burt a former white nationalist who was known as "Axis Sally".  We have a long and fascinating conversation about her career working in a funeral home, working as a torture porn actor, participating in bodybuilding competitions, and how she became involved in the white nationalist movement and ascended to leadership status.  We discuss how she came to each turning point in her life and how she came to leave the white nationalist movement.   On the 2nd half, a racist psycho named "Pastor Visser" calls in and spews some hate in response to Corinna, and a young African-American called "The Chad80" calls in and explains how he tries to debate and dialogue with white nationalists, similar to what I'm doing. Someone called "Chuck of Vancouver" calls in and adds to the chaos. I also rant about Trump advocating that certain Congresswomen of Color "go back to their own country" and the generally feckless mainstream liberal response, embodied in Nancy Pelosi. Also Discussion of the "white baby challenge".  I also talk about the announced ICE raids for July 14, 2019, and discuss Jenn Budd's great open letter as a former Customs and Border Protection agent *00:00 - Intro to Episode *20:25 - Interview with Corinna Burt, former white nationalist.  *1:40:50 - CW: Hate Speech - "Pastor" Visser calls in and goes on a racist tirade. "The Chad80", African-American who tries to debate/dialogue with white nationalists is also on the call, and then "Chuck of Vancouver" throws in.  *2:22:34 - Outro

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References from episode: Trump's "go back to your own country" tweet:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/donald-trump-tweets-democratic-congresswomen-race-nationalities/index.html

Jenn Budd's open letter as an ex-CPB agent: https://www.southernborder.org/open_letter_from_an_ex_border_patrol_agent

Trump's announced ICE raids pandering to his base, terrifying immigrants: https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-planned-immigration-raids-20190711-story.html

Alt-right white women "white baby challenge": https://www.salon.com/2019/07/14/alt-right-handmaidens-and-the-white-baby-challenge/

"Color of Crime" fraudulent race-baiting: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2000/color-crime-booklet-jared-taylor-popular-radical-right

Holly Grigsby: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44863895/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/chilling-new-details-surface-deadly-crime-spree-case/#.XS0sWS2ZOCc

Spokane Backpack Bomber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_bombing_attempt

Music:   Gnossienne no. 1 by International Surrealist Bulletinis licensed under a CC0 1.0 Universal License. Remedy for Melancholy by Kai Engel is licensed under a Attribution License.