Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined as always by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. It is Tuesday. Draft Day is Thursday, a little more than forty eight hours away. The Chicago Calebs will be on the clock to select their new quarterback. Lots to get to today and kind of our draft preview, we're gonna talk.
I'm gonna throw some questions at you, talk some different scenarios. But a couple things I want to touch on first. One is that one of our topics on the last show was how Brian Gudakuntz makes various offseason moves and signings so that he doesn't box himself into a corner in terms of glaring needs in the draft. And not long after we turned the cameras off last Thursday, an offensive tackle named Andre Dillard signed on the dotted line for the Packers, a former first round pick Packers are
gonna give. This will be his third NFL team. He's with The Eagles. Then started a bunch of games with the Titans last year. Now he's in Green Bay with another shot in a sense to kind of try to
revive his career a little bit. No guarantees that a player like this is going to make the roster, but just another example of how Brian Gudakouts goes about things in the offseason to build the most well rounded depth that he can so that he's not forced into doing anything during the three days of the draft.
A win win for both sides. Now, I don't know the parameters of the contract, but to bring you up to speed a little bit on Dillard, he was a former first round pick with the Philadelphia Eagles. They loved his athleticism, that's the way Philadelphia likes to build out their line. Well, as it turned out, he had some injury things, they had some other stuff happen on the offensive line that he never really got a shot in Philly.
So what that led to was Tennessee really rolling the dice last year on him as an unrestricted free agent game of three or twenty three million dollar contract, and it didn't go very well for him last season. But I think when you look at where he's at his career, I don't really know if he's ever had the chance yet to be the player that everybody thought he could be coming out of Washington State in twenty nineteen. And the reason I say that is you look at the
way Green Bay builds offensive lineman. Yes, athleticism definitely matters. Look at what happened a couple of years ago with Sean Ryan and Zach Tom those guys shot through the roof testing wise at the NFL Scouting Combine. Dillard had an incredible run at the combine in twenty nineteen. It's
what made him a first round pick. The Packers have done so well developing the raw attributes of players, and when you have somebody that was as talented as Dillard, I want to see him get a shot in green Bay. So from Green Bay's perspective, they needed to add another body to that room. They lost three so far this offseason, guys that played mini snaps for them over the last five years. So they had to make a response. They
had to have an answer for Dillard. This is an opportunity to compete at a position that's going to be completely wide open.
Yeah, absolutely, it's a It's a tremendous opportunity for a guy like Dillard to get a to get a reset on a fresh start, and we'll see what happens there. One other thing to ask you about quickly before I start tossing some questions at you. We heard from general manager Brian Gouda Kunstan Monday. He spoke with the media
the annual pre draft news conference. Just your initial thoughts, reactions, anything that you heard in that roughly thirty five minutes that he was answering questions that stood out to.
You thirty four or four on my recorder. Michael, okay, but.
But maybe it's in change.
Maybe you started earlier than I did. But no, I actually thought it was a very enlightening overall press conference. I thought he touched on a lot of things. Again, he's not going to sit there and give you the draft board and what they're thinking going into.
The Yeah, it's not a PowerPoint presidentation to the media. Here's our here's our draft boards. You know exactly what we're gonna do.
I understand why you can't even do that afterwards, because there's certain things you don't want to give away.
But man, that'd be fun.
Like on the week after the draft, you're like, okay, so that's what we're doing. By the way, I'll answer this question, but did you see what the Arizona Cardinals did that they put out the video they put out I think last night no fascinating video with their GM which they filmed him the entire time while he was negotiating the trade at number three and then when they were trying to move back up. It was almost like a.
You're talking this is last year, last year, last year's.
It's like a higher stakes version of what Brian did in eighteen where he moved back and then he had to go back up to get Giara get Jiri. Yeah, but it was really interesting. I mean, the guy's working the phones, he's talking to multiple teams. If you have a chance, check it out. The Cardinals, I believe, put it out on their Instagram and on their Twitter page. It's a fascinating look into just how hectic that is
while the clock is ticking on their pick. But that being said, from Brian being able to discuss with us sort of his insight, you always gain more about what's happened in the past than what's going to happen in this draft. And I thought he did an excellent job at one explaining the success that Green Bay's had the last three years with these drafts. How a lot of these draft picks they've had has tied into that they've
picked twenty four times the last two years. They're going to pick eleven more times as it stands right now going into Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Brian did say he'd be happy to add more picks to that though, if that's how it would work out. But the other thing I thought was cool was like him explaining his rational in the second round, because about a week ago, Mike, I brought this to you while I was working on
Insider Inbox. The Packers traded back from forty five to fifty and by doing that last.
It was two trades, two trades to go back five spots in the second round last year.
They gained the fifth round pick that eventually became Dantavian Wicks, and they gained the sixth round pick that eventually became Carl Brooks, and by doing that they got Jaden Reid. What was the most illuminating to me, because this reminds you, and it's something you were touching on with Gudacuns too. What the Packers draft board looks like is not what ESPN dot COM's.
Draft board looks like.
Right. He mentioned that, Yeah, we took a risk that we might not get Jaden Reid. There's going to be five players you're not gonna get that you probably had on your board at that point in the race. But they like Tucker Craft. They didn't have Tucker Craft rated that differently from Luke Musgrave. So if Jaden Reid isn't there, they would have been filling fine with taking Tucker Craft where they did. Instead, he ends up being there in the third round. Yeah, and the rest is history. That's
the type of stuff that happens every single year. It's very rarely discussed, but you know, especially as you get farther into this draft, there's gonna be guys that certain teams have at ranked one hundred and there's gonna be guys that are.
At two hundred for them.
Yeah, it all depends on the way things scout. I just felt like for the thirty minutes that Brian talked, we gain a lot of clarity into what his process is like and obviously these big decisions that are gonna be made in a.
Couple of days.
Yeah, that's one thing I've learned over the years, and it's hard for me to understand sometimes exactly what a draft board looks like when somebody trades back, saying Brian's first draft when he traded back a whole bunch of spot, but then, of course his plan all along was to
move back up to take Jay r Alexander. But I've learned that when somebody just trades back a few spots, you know, whether it's three or five, maybe even six or seven spots, it's because they have a handful of guys rated almost equally on their board and they would
be happy taking any of them. So rather than just you know, roll the dice and pick one guy because a certain number gets rolled, they're like, hey, if we can pick up an extra pick later in the draft, move back and we know that one of these guys that we have rated equally is still going to be there. You know, boom there it is. Now the follow up question that of course Brian's not going to answer to your scenario last year, is okay, so you had Jaden Reed,
you had Tucker Craft. Was there anybody else that was sort of on that same line that you would have been comfortable taking after you traded back a couple times. But that's kind of how this thing. That's kind of how this thing works. And you're exactly right as much as whether you're watching NFL Network or watching ESPN, and you've got you know, mel Kiper's best available, and you've got you know, whoever does it now? Daniel Jeremiah, I guess is one of the main guys on the NFL network.
Daniel Jeremiah is best available. That's not what There are thirty two teams in this league, and there are thirty two different draft boards. They've all done their own evaluations, they have their own opinions, they have their own roster needs, and teams work need into the equation of their evaluation at different levels. You know, some some you know weight that even more. Some don't wait it as much. So everybody's board is an individual thing and that's what's so
fascinating about how this unfolds. So that leads me to my first question. I want to ask you since we're talking about trades and and kind of how that works.
GOODA.
Kuntz is going into this draft with eleven picks. How many picks ultimately over the course of the three days, do you think he's going to make how.
Many picks the packers will make the they will make a dozen picks. They will have twelve picks when it's all said and done. I don't see Green Bay moving down from eleven now. I mean that doesn't say they couldn't trade up at some point, but I feel like the eleven is going to be locked in and it's going to be about how much do they add on the back end of it. Because here's the main reason for that, the five in the top five. I think it was you that pointed out, but somebody mentioned it.
I think with the press conference, with that, with those picks and the value of those picks, you can use them to move up, maybe even in the first round, certainly, But by doing that then you're then for going a pick that Brian Gudukunz himself said is very difficult to obtain. Teams don't want to give up top one hundred picks. They just don't. It's too good of a lottery ticket. You don't know what kind of player you're going to
get out of that. And as I've talked about add nauseum now an inbox, it's those picks in the second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth round that end up building championship teams because you're only going to get that one first rounder. You're gonna get a couple extra swings after that.
Can you make them count?
I think the Packers take twelve players. I feel like one thing that has definitely changed in the Goudakuns era from the Ted Thompson era is ted. For a time there was just kind of giving away those seventh rounders. Not giving away, but he was just throwing him into trades. I remember he did a couple with the New England Patriots just like, okay, take a seventh rounder. Everybody gets a seventh rounder. And I think part of that was he wanted to get started on undrafted free agency. He
wanted to get the college thing figured out. But Brian has taken an opposite approach. He likes taking those seventh round picks. He likes building those up. Last year they took what three or four. That's a valuable commodity too. And I don't think necessarily youre going to see as many of those throw in trades as you did in the past.
I think, and I wonder, and this would be maybe a question to ask Brian at some point. I wonder if just if the whole the college free agency thing has just gotten that much more competitive maybe in recent years, to where those seventh round picks are a little bit more valuable because you can you can get a guy that maybe you were planning to sign as an undrafted rookie, but now you don't have to compete with anybody for him.
It's like you just use that seventh round pick to get him, So teams aren't necessarily as willing to just to toss those around. I will keep I I just wonder that speculation.
I'll keep using the Anthony Johnson Junior topic.
Last year.
I was one of two people, I think it was me and Jason Wildey were the only one on his conference call last year, and he mentioned because there was just so much chaos happening with the guys and picks and conference calls.
Yeah, four seventh round picks yes year.
For in Johnson Junior said He's like, no, I was already I was signed up with somebody already. I would already basically agreed to a college free agency deal with another team. And then the Green bit Packers came swooping and they said we're taking this guy. And then Lo and behold, he's a player that ends up playing three hundred plus defensive STAPs, has four spots starts, and now is actually in that conversation to start alongside Xavier McKinney.
So those are valuable things to have in your back pocket if you need to be able to revisit them.
Yeah, to answer the question, I actually think the Packers are going to end up with eleven picks, but I don't think Brian Gudukunz is just gonna sit and pick at every spot. I agree with what you said and the way Gutakunz does view those second and third round picks, but it wasn't that long ago we saw him take two second rounders and move up to get Christian Watson.
He's made moves like that before. I think he's going to end up with eleven picks, but it's going to be a mix and match of a trade up here, a trade down there, and he's ultimately going to end up with a draft class of eleven. But he's not just going to sit and pick at all eleven spots.
Most fascinating thing about last year's draft, Mike, they traded back twice in the second round. You and I we were scrambling. They did not trade again the rest of that draft y. Once they got to the third round, they just picked where they were.
Then they picked where they were sitting. Yeah, next question for you Weston. In the first round, the Packers currently own the number twenty five overall pick, trade up, trade down, or sit and pick at twenty five? What do you think mister Guta Kuntz is gonna do?
See here's what's funny, because I just got done talking about Oh you don't.
I don't know how much they're gonna trade.
I don't know where they're I think the one thing I've seen with Brian is if there is a guy that he likes in the first round, he's gonna go get that player.
Yep.
So this answer is contingent on whether or not that player is available or that player falls. But if you're asking me to put down my just play money chips on a move here, I would say they actually do trade up. I wonder because when I've been doing these drop and these mock draft simulators, and who's to say who the Packers are really truly interested in? But there
always ends up being one guy that falls. I just did another one just now and Leatu Latu is actually the guy that and this for the first time popped up is available at twenty five. I feel like that's whether it's one of these offensive linemen, whether it is a Cooper Dejene, whether it is one of these cornerbacks, or whether it is maybe like one of the top edge rushers or a Byron Murphy. The second, if somebody like that is coming into your orbit, is that where
you go and make a play. I don't think they move up twelve spots to get a player. It's going to take way too much equity. Yeah, but I could see it trying to leapfrog somebody if there's a player available that they cover.
Yeah.
For me, I'll just start by saying I have no idea what Brian is going to do.
That's a lie.
And but I could see I could see any one of the three possibilities happening. You know, I think I think any of them are on the table. I think it's going to depend on what the board looks like, how it unfolds. I would say, after the first fifteen to sixteen picks, then what does it look like? Because I agree with you, if he trades up, I don't think it's going to be a massive jump like you know of fifteen or sixteen spots or something like that. But I could see a jump of you know, seven
or eight spots for example, something like that. I could also see him trading back. I could see him sitting and picking. This is this is what I've decided for those who want my opinion, this is how I see it. If Brian Gudukunz is trading up, I think he's trading up for either a corner or a defensive lineman. You're talking about dejen Quinion Mitchell from Toledo, or defensive lineman like Byron Murphy or like Johnny Newton from Illinois, something
like that. If he's trading back, I think it's because he's got his eye on one of those off the ball linebackers like an Edger and Cooper, maybe a Peyton Wilson. But he doesn't think he needs to use the twenty fifth pick to get that guy. But he can't wait until forty one to get him. He feels like if he wants that guy, he's gonna have to get him somewhere in between there. But he'll trade back and get
some more draft assets. For later on. If he's gonna sit and pick, he's gonna take an offensive lineman because I think there are going to be choices at offensive line at pick twenty five, because the top of this draft appears to be so deep at offensive line, at least compared to some other Did you.
Read what I wrote an inbox about Graham Barton in Amarus mem Yeah?
Yeah, what did you think?
Okay, I'll let people in on this. I can't do things out of topic. I have to actually explain it on the show. Basically, the point I make because somebody said, well, if you have an elite tackle or an elite prospect
at interior alignment, how do you view them? Me personally, when you take somebody like Barton, who is a college left tackle who has been the best offensive lineman for Duke for a number of years now, but is projected to be inside, I actually view them the same because the way I look at it, again, if you're not at Alabama, if you're not at Georgia, if you're not at one of these power national championship contender programs, I
want you to be the best offensive lineman on your team. Yeah, it doesn't mean you have to play left tackle, but I want you to be the best offensive lineman. Barton is absolutely that. What I'm curious about is that so many times we've heard these We've heard these pre draft pundits project a player at a certain position and that does not end up being the case. David Baktiyari, a five time All Pro left tackle, was supposed to play
center in the National Football League. He wasn't big enough, is what people said, and then there he is.
Or guard or guard.
Yeah, but it's those type of moves that I look at where when you see Zach tom do what he did, or Elton Jenkins do what he did, I just think you got to get bodies in there. Now. The thing I don't know is when you are six foot eight and you are three hundred and forty pounds and you run a five forty like Amarius Mims, but you only have this limited workload, I don't know how Brian Goodikuin's judges that.
Yeah, that's a that's a big that's kind of the big mystery.
But that's but isn't that what's interesting about this?
You have a guy like Barton who has this huge workload and all this tape in what Duke was able to accomplish the last few years a team that has not historically had a ton of success.
R is so credentialed.
I think people everybody agrees he's going to be a starter for years in the NFL. Just where's it going to come at? Whereas Mims is this raw, high ceiling prospect that you might need some time to develop.
Yeah, it's a tough pickle.
Yeah, Mims to Mims to me is a is a classic Brian Gudakun's Green Bay Packers offensive lineman pick, because because they would they would be like, yes, only eight starts in college, but they see all the traits, they see the upside. They're like, this guy, maybe he needs a little bit of time, but then you know he can he can be the next Brian Blaga and play one of the tackle spots for ten years and you
never worry about him. Right like that that, I think they would potentially view him that way, But of course I don't know. Maybe maybe they see a lot more flaws on tape and he's not he's not as high on their board as maybe he is on other team's board.
You know what I love about it? Though?
Then this is why I'm so intrigued by the idea of an offensive lineman in the first round, even though I know fans it isn't the sexiest pick, right. It's the fact that you look at what Rashid Walker did as a seventh rounder, you look at what yash Naiman did as an.
Undrafted draft to develop.
When you take somebody that has so many tools and you put him into this program with what Adam Stenovich, Luke Buckkiss, what they've been able to develop with offensive lineman, I just think that's really intriguing because it's been a minute now since the Packers have actually had a first round pick that they chose in that offensive line round.
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm gonna take care a little bit of sponsor business here, and then we're gonna keep going because I got more questions for you. Today's show is going to be a little bit longer, justin our producer, sorry, a little longer than usual, but we're only doing one show this week because with the draft on Thursday, we will wait until the following Tuesday.
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as perhaps later in the draft. A couple questions throwout you. The first one is Brian Gudukunz has shown no hesitation whatsoever in stocking a position, doubling up, maybe even tripling up at a position when the depth on the roster calls for that. Do you see him doing that in this draft? And if so, at what position or positions might the Packers come away with multiple selections?
Okay, so hear me out on this, because I understand the Packers have a need at cornerback. So it's not like I'm saying, oh, what a you know, epiphany Wes is having here? But I thought last year showed that you can never get comfortable at a position. Absolutely jyr Alexander, Eric Stokes, Keishawn Nixon, Rasoul Douglas. How many times did we say last year, Mike and I know that Stokes was coming back, but how many times did we talk about, man, where are they going.
To put all these guys?
Yeah, they never once had a deal with that during the season. They maybe for a week just because of how injuries affected that position. And then as soon as it looks like Stokes is going to be back, Jaws back, and then Stokes is out, and then Rasool is traded and this domino effect that never stopped last year taking Carrington Valentine in the seventh round when they didn't necessarily
need a cornerback. When Brian always talks about, you know, we're not just gonna take players just because there's a need there.
We want to have competition.
I thought Valentine was the best example of a guy that, even though it was a stack position, came in and earned his reps with the number ones in training camp. Absolutely, so I could see them easily taking a cornerback high and then going back at it, whether it be in the fourth round, the fifth round, day three some point. I just think there's enough value there especially with the interior with a slot position as either the nickel or the dime.
I just think you have to have options there.
Safety. I'm sure they're gonna take one. I love this draft class for a second round Nick Collins type safety if it's there. I don't know if there's necessarily a first round pick there, but I think there's definitely a second round one.
Sure.
I just feel like that's what has to happen. I could absolutely see them taking another receiver. But the only thing about that is I look at receiver a lot like cornerbacks. I'm not saying you need to get it to where Mike McCarthy had it, where it's okay, it's Jordan Nelson, Randall Cobb and DeVante Adams and nobody else gets on the field. But I want to see more Dantavian Wicks next year. I want to see him on
the field. I want to see Jayden Reid. I hope that Christian Watson's healthy in Romeo Dobbs out there, and you have a bow Melton, you have so many guys to incorporate already that I feel like when you talk about competition and having competition, the Packers have competition there with how they've invested in that position the last two years.
The competition is there next year if things are going well for Romeo or things are going well for Watson, and those guys are potentially coming up on contracts and you want to deepen it out again. I felt like that was one area where the Packers kind of came up short during DeVante Adams progress into an All pro. Is they just they weren't drafting receivers at that time consistently.
Then you can dip in. But for me, I look at being able to give Jeff had a secondary coach, giving him more options on the back end.
I see. I see potentially various spots where Guta Kunz could be doubling up in this draft. I definitely think in the secondary, and you know, when you're talking about a guy like Dejean who could play corner, could play could play safety. But I could see multiple corners, I
could see multiple safeties being drafted. The spots that actually jump out to me as possible double ups, though, I think I think Gutakuntz is going to take multiple off ball linebackers because there there is a little bit of a shortage there with with how Jeff Hafley's going to play this defense and then I think offensive lineman. I you know, not saying specific positions, but I think he's going to come away with multiple offensive linemen in this draft.
Because what was it you had the stat Excuse me, my voice is given out on me.
I could say it. I could say the stat right now, if you want to clear your voice. Yeah.
Since nineteen thirty six, the first time that everybody congregated down at what was it the Fister down in Milwaukee, the first draft they ever had back to back drafts, the Packers have never had two in a row without taking an offensive lineman, right, And I think that's an important thing to remember because last year they had all those draft picks, thirteen picks, they did not actually take an offensive lineman.
Yeah. That was pretty amazing actually, and it made sense.
Everybody came back. Literally everybody was back.
They had like fifteen guys with like NFL experience. But that's not the case now. You have to be able to deepen that reservoir.
Yeah, another one for you. Brian Gudokunz mentioned at the scouting combine in Indianapolis, and I believe he reinforced it. At the owners meetings in Orlando. He's talked about trying to get back into the game of drafting quarterbacks. Do you think he does that? And when do you think perhaps he turns in that card for a quarterback six round?
Okay?
And I look at I brought up the Matt Hasselback thing again an inbox on Tuesday because somebody was asking, you know, Sean Clifford looked great last year, but what's his ideal, Like, what's the ideal course for him without Jordan Love getting hurt? And I said, it's making the most out of every single opportunity you make. Get as small as it may be, and it might be a thirty seven yard pass in a meaningless game to Bo Melton, but it is showing that you have that command of
being able to develop. I love what Brian said about getting back in the development of quarterback that game, because Mike, one of the things I said over and over and over again, and I could see you getting blue in the face. You were tired of hearing it because it just got so redundant. But the draft pick of Jordan Love was an investment in twenty twenty. Everybody looks at this as Okay, you spent the pick. They didn't need
a quarterback, no, but they did. And even if Aaron Rodgers would have played till fifty that was an investment that you could potentially that was a savings bond that you could eventually cash back in because of how important the quarterback position is in the National Football League. That's what I want to see them get back to, especially in these drafts have double digit picks, everything is going
to be a crapshoot. Yes, you might find a Carl Bradford or a Rashid Walker or a Carrington Valentine, but sometimes you don't. And if you think there's a quarterback there with some intangible, some attribute that you really want to take a deeper look at, absolutely bring the man. Because, as we learned a couple weeks ago at the NFL Owners meetings, the emergency quarterback is back.
Baby.
Does it matter if they're on the fifty three man roster or not. You have that option now to bring him up as like this forty ninth man. Of course, your other two quarterbacks can no longer play in the game. There is more value there with the third quarterback than there was last season. So I feel like it's something that I would definitely move forward with if you have that opportunity.
Yeah, I think he takes a quarterback as well. I would say anywhere from the fifth rounder later. I don't see it happening in the fourth round or sooner.
Because then you're locking yourself into a roster.
Yeah, but I think but I think fifth rounder later, I could definitely see another quarterback. I would love to know if he can find another Sean Clifford in the fifth round. Man, you you don't hesitate there.
You take that guy absolutely, because Sean earned that roster spot last year. He wasn't that he just was a fifth round pick and he's locked in. No, he played better than everybody in that area. But the thing I really like that I think could be really valuable for them is if you are taking it in that later day three section, now you have a guy that can earn that spot.
I'd love to see the last time a.
Fourth round pick at quarterback ended up getting cut in that training camp. No, you're kind of locked into them being on the rosters. Too much investment there at too big of a position. Yeah, So I'd be very interested to see how that plays out.
All Right, a couple more questions for you back into sort of some first round discussion here, and this is not necessarily pertaining to the Packers, but I want to get your thoughts on a couple things. Where does the first trade happen in this draft? Or Okay, so you think you think former Packers personnel executive Elliott Wolf, who's now running the Patriots draft and who has the number three overall pick, you don't think he's trading that pick to the Vikings.
I love Elliott. He knows a lot more about football than I do. Think you got to take a quarterback. I'm not saying you have to, but I'm saying you have to. The Patriots have been through a lot the last three years, and to have a guy in mac Jones that was a runner up for Offensive Rookie of the Year. It gets you to the playoffs and have that castle crumble the way it did. I think you need somebody that's going to be able to give you
a boost. And I feel like you need somebody that's going to be able to reinvigorate that fan base.
It starts with a quarterback.
Now, if Robert Kraft and that establishment has told them, hey, Elliott you got five years to work with here. If you don't like any of these quarterbacks, we'll try it again next year. But the fact of the matter is, Mike, I think five of these quarterbacks are going to go on the top fifteen. I think four of them are going to go on the top ten. I just feel like, if you're the Patriots, you have to make that move now.
So you think it's the Cardinals at number four are going to make the first trade.
Unless they feel like Marvin Harrison jewing right, that's the wild character.
Do they feel like, do they feel like they should pair Kyler Murray with Marvin Harrison Junior and use that four pick there, And because then the Chargers at five, the Chargers are trading out of that spot. Somebody, somebody's going to trade up to five and get their quarterback, and the Chargers are going to move back and get more draft.
If somebody's Because here's the thing, let's say this is the way I think about it. I think Elliott takes the quarterback, whether that's Daniels, whether that's Drake, you know, whatever it is.
Yeah, I feel like.
Somebody panics them for the fourth one. I feel like somebody sells the farm to get that fourth.
Quarter, and it's going to be an offer the Cardinals can't refuse.
That's that's that's right. You have a master's degree.
Yep, I'm just do it.
The Chargers are going to do it.
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. That's that's the thing. And that's where the I think you and I both agree because my last question here, I was going to throw at you the first non quarterback to be picked, Marvin Harrison Junior, that it has to be right.
Because if there weren't all these quarterbacks, he'd be the number one overall pick.
Yeah, dude, I don't.
I've said this to Justin actually, our producer. I said this a couple of weeks ago.
I believe to him.
Don't overthink it with Marvin Harrison Junior. Right again, I don't know how his career is going to play out, but he is the Andrew Luck of the receiver position. This guy has been billed as a number one overall pick for two years at Ohio State. It just so happens that quarterback is in a position you have to draft.
This is this is the first this is the first time, and I don't follow. I admit I don't follow this the the all the non packer draft stuff as much
as a lot of other people do. But this is the first time I can remember a receiver being talked about, you know, being taken in the first like five or six picks that I'm I'm as sold on him as a lot of the draft knicks are since Julio Jones, when the Falcons traded up to the number six spot and took Julio Jones and they didn't look back, and a lot of people criticize them for it because of what they gave up to take a wide receiver, But man,
did that one work out for them? And if to me, Marvin Harrison Junior feels like the next Julio Jones in that draft scenario. Obviously, they're different types of players.
And you were the one that pointed out all the misses there have been with receivers over the last fifteen to twenty years.
It's an ugly list.
But Michael, the guys that are the legitimate prospects, the guys that everybody is hitching their wagons to. You don't get those guys in the third or fourth round. You don't find Megatron that late. You don't find Julio Jones that late if Marvin Harrison is the next one of that kind, right, you have to take, you have to take, and maybe the Cardinals will. But I'm just saying like it's one of those things where I feel like, once those first three quarterbacks are on the board, it's like
your fantasy draft. Ye, people are gonna be like, oh, crap, I gotta get this somebody. I gotta get my running back before I don't have one.
Yeah. Well, if it does play out that way, it's going to be fascinating to see if the Patriots, if Elliott Will sits at three and picks and takes the third quarterback off the board, then what what would the Cardinals potentially have to get in order to give up the opportunity to take Marvin Harrison Junior? That I think, because I think becomes the fascinating question here. All Right,
we've gone overtime today. But there is one other thing we need to touch on, because you and I have talked about this that the construction as much as field, as much as there are these off season mile posts like the Combine and the owner's meetings and everything, it always feels to me like the draft is when you really turn the page to the next season. So that
is here. The next season, twenty twenty four truly is upon us in the NFL, and you and I are both a little sad because we're going to be here in Green Bay at twelve sixty five Lombardy without one of our favorite people in this building that we've gotten to know over the years, because long time equipment manager Red Battie has announced his retirement. He stopped in and visited us in our makeshift office down here in the bottles of lambeau Field last week to sort of say
final goodbye. It won't be a final goodbye, We're going to see you and all that, but Red Baddy isn't going to be here on a daily basis anymore, and that I think makes us all sad. But congratulations to Red. I tip my hat to that man. He is. He is as interesting, as genuine, as enjoyable a human being as I've ever been around, and we're sad to see him go.
Nobody that has worked in this building, I would say, since the renovation earlier than that personifies the ideals of the Green Bay Packers more than Gordon Red Baddie, And I'll tell you this, Michael, it just so happens that on Thursday, it's my eight year anniversary with the Green Bay Packers.
You've had to deal with me for that long.
I think every single one of those gray hairs up there has been a byproduct of you editing my content. But nobody made me feel more welcome in this building in twenty sixteen read t Bone. Tom Bakin is just a little hair behind him. But that equipment staff, they
are salt of the earth people. There's a reason why I've said over and over again that equipment story, the travel essay story that I did last year was one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had as a writer, because I was documenting people that I legitimately consider friends and the hard work that they put in to keep this thing going. There's so much that happens behind the scenes, happens on a sideline that you do not see as
packer fans. Red is the guy that made a lot of that stuff happen, and he mentioned to us sixty five and fifty that's what he was looking at. Sixty five years fifty years in equipment, and then he decided to hang it up. So he's going to have a well deserved and well earned retirement. But there are so many stories, so many memories that he leaves me with. And I only had the eight years working with him as a coworker. I can only imagine what other people's
stories are like. But to read, I say thank you, and I appreciate everything he did to make me feel like I was a legitimate part of this thing.
Yeah, I enjoyed. I've been here for eighteen seasons now going into my nineteenth, and I enjoyed every single one of them. With Red, anytime you walk past him in the hallway, you stop and you listen to a Red Batty story because maybe it's only ten seconds long, but it's going to put a smile on your face for the rest of the day because that guy, he's got stories and he knows how to tell him.
And if I hope he never loses that, no, he will.
In his human touch with other people.
Ten seconds usually more like ten minutes. But if it's ten seconds, still equally as good.
Absolutely well with that, we will call it a rap. On this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team and all of our coverage through the three days coming up here of the NFL Draft. We will have the bulletin stories when the picks are made, we will have profile stories digging into the picks even further. We will have the larger analysis.
We'll have instant reaction videos, three Things videos. There'll be photo gallery highlight videos of the players the Packers select. Everything is going to be out there for you on packers dot com. Be sure not to miss it. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We will see you next time.