#664 Packers Unscripted: Saints synopsis

topics today, both related, of course. One is that we will look back at the two joint practices with the New Orleans Saints and share some of our observations, and then we will look ahead to the preseason game against the New Orleans Saints, which which is slated for Friday night, seven pm kickoff at lambeau Field, the only home preseason

game for the Packers. In turning the clock back to the last couple of days, the two joint practices at NIKI Field Packers and Saints, what's the I guess the first thing that comes to your mind when you think back at those two workouts. No, no, no, it was it was really it was only one minor little only one scuffle. Scuffle, yes, scuffle would be the correct would be would be an appropriate a Stokes and you know, Jarvis Landry just getting into it a little bit. But no,

it wasn't. Nobody was throwing punches at helmets or anything like that. Uh, No, really competitive two days and obviously, and I talked with our our friends over with the New Orleans Saints dot com website, it really was a matter of defense, sort of controlling the tempo on both sides of the field. And some of that is to be expected. Both of these offenses are going through transitions, and and you know, right now the Saints don't have

Jameis Winston, he's still been held out. And then obviously on the Packers side of things, they're trying to find their way here offensively with these new receivers and a different structure. So what I was most encouraged by over these two practices is everything we've seen from the Packers defense and the dominance and in moments of really uh just being able to control the tempo that that translated

against Saints. Yeah. Uh. And Mike, I don't know if this is the third time, right, we've had joint practices during my time here, third time in four years. I don't know if I recalled a moment where the Packers consistently down after down or pressuring the quarterback the way they did in this practice, I don't think it really would have mattered if Jamis Winston was back there or not. The Packers were getting home and it wasn't just Rashaan

Gary or Preston Smith or Kenny Clark. You saw Kobe Jones, you saw Kingsley and Nigba A. You saw everybody being able to pressure that The Saints had a real difficult time with some of the double A gap blitz is and some of the looks that they gave with the cornerbacks. This was really the type of performance you wanted to see from Green Bay's defense after having a lot of

success to the first two and a half weeks of camp. Yeah, and I had mentioned with regard to the defense when we were previewing the joint practices that I was interested to see that cornerback trio that we didn't really see on the field at all last year. Of course talking about Alexander Douglas and Stokes and uh. And Yes, the what the defense was doing up front was impressive, There's

no doubt about it. But this defense in the back end, as far as covering uh, Michael Thomas, Jarvis, Landry Cristal Lave the rookie out of Ohio State, Now, I mean they made some catches here and there. Let's let's not you know that this was not literally complete and total

shut down like inability to move the ball. But there's a hundred yard football field and defenses get a lot of territory to defend, and offenses need to put something together, sustained some kind of rhythm and some consistency with moving the ball, and the Saints really weren't able to do that against the Packers number one defense. And it was the combination of what those guys were doing up front

with with the pressure on the quarterback. Um I only saw maybe over the course of the couple of days one or two runs leak out. Otherwise it seemed that the run defense was was holding up pretty well. And then those guys in the back in even without Darnell Savage, with the ones with with Vernon Scott, that that secondary just doesn't give receivers a whole heck of a lot of space and and uh yeah, there are gonna be

quarterbacks who can hit those pinpoint throws. But the windows to me, when I was watching the defense, the throwing windows for Andy Dalton were awfully tight. They really were. And it was funny too, because well, one the gire Alexander Michael Thomas matchup that we talked so much about.

We got a chance to see some of that, but ultimately the way that the Saints moved Thomas around, he saw a lot of Russell Douglas too, I mean, Eric Stokes, I mean there was It wasn't just specific players matching up against specific guys and man demand coverage there. It was a really I don't want to say exotic because it wasn't that far, but both of these teams were pretty much open things up a little bit. They showed

more looks. You remember, one of the big criticisms Aaron Rodgers had with the first joint practice against the Texans a few years ago was it was basically a glorified preseason game. The Texans weren't really given them their play if they were doing things that you really wouldn't do, uh, if you're actually trying to practice and refine some stuff.

I felt like the Saints and the Packers both did that, and that's a credit to Matt Lafleur and Dennis Allen and in seeing a lot of these guys step up and you know, even you know, you talked about the cornerbacks but even look at a guy like Vernon Scott, like how valuable these last two days have been. A guy that question didn't play really at all last season and then suddenly he's the every down safety with the

number one defense, lining up next to Adrian Amos. So you know, kuay Walker's getting his first big run being inside with Devondre Campbell, guy that he probably won't play with in the preseason at all. So again, by and large, was really happy with the defensive work. Offensively, there were some things to clean up, but but certainly I felt like coming out of this thing, this was probably the

most productive joint practice session they've had so far. Yeah, I would agree in terms of the three different years we've seen this, the Texans, the Jets last year, and the Saints, I I thought, I thought this was this was the the best. It was the most competitive work where you know, guys were playing clean. There wasn't there wasn't you know, the extracurricular you know activity that that kind of thing. And God bless the Jets, but I mean those are two teams going in very different directions

in terms of their seasons. I mean, I don't think the Jets were any under any disillusions that they were gonna be a super Bowl team. The Saints have those kind of aspirations, so watching those units work has really been impressive. Yeah. Well, the big story on the offensive side of the ball, of course for the Packers was UM Aaron Rodgers when he spoke at his locker following

the first of the two joint practices on Tuesday. Um, he sort of let his offensive unit have it a little bit in terms of the sloppiness, the pre snap penalties, mental mistakes and things and and uh Um. It was in part directed at the whole unit, but there were also parts of his comments directed specifically at the young receivers in which he was talking about you know, wrong routes. Obviously there were you know, some drop passes in there. It was a very uneven two days really for the

Packers offensively against the Saints defense. But I think we saw after Rogers comments following the first practice, we saw a little bit more sharpness. We saw some more plays from those young guys in the second practice. They We then also found out there was a meeting that morning, um, that was conducted with the quarterbacks and the receivers, UM veterans and young guys all alike, you know, all getting together, Um, a sign of just how dissatisfied everybody was with how

things went offensively on Tuesday. And then we saw on Wednesday, we saw Romeo Dobbs, Samori toure um Amari Rodgers. We saw the young guys who you know not we're not necessarily mentioned by name by Aaron Rodgers, but we saw those young guys respond. Now, of course you want to see them carry that over now and respond also in

the game on Friday night. But but it's just another um reminder I guess of how how much of a work in progress things are with this receiving corps because because Aaron Rodgers nos, he's got al Lazard and Randall Cobb and he's doing everything he can to get Sammy Watkins up to speed. And I want to talk a little bit more about Watkins in a minute. Um, But Roger said, the time is running out on the young guys in terms of the regular season is right around

the corner here. We've got to get things cleaned up, you know, from Roger's point of view there, Um, things need to get sharpened up. And uh, and we saw a response, and now we'll see how they respond through the rest of training camp. From here, Mike, it transport. It transported me back to two thousand sixteen when I started at Packers dot Com and you pulled me into an office that neither of us have and and kind of laid it into me a little bit and told me, hod,

it's just not clean enough. This copy is not clean enough. Now. But what I enjoyed the most about I hope you appreciated that. What I what I like the most about what Rogers did was he's talked about the time and time again. He even mentioned again this week Al Lazard. That's his his wide receiver one right now. You know, he mentioned Randall Cobb is like a pre eminent slot

receiver in this league. One of the most proven slot receivers in this league in Sammy Watkins, number four overall pick a number of years ago, has seeing a lot of football, has won some Super Bowl. These guys get it. If he didn't want the young guys to succeed, if he didn't want them to be a factor this season, he wouldn't care. He wouldn't be pulling these guys together. He wouldn't be, you know, saying things he mentioned this

at the beginning of the camp. If I'm not saying anything to you, that's a bad sign, if I'm not actually talking to you at all, Because Rogers does get it. Lazard, Cobb, and Watkins. Those are the one two three right now. Nobody's discounting that they're actually even on the preseason program cover if you pick one up on Friday night. But the fact of the matter is one of those guys might get hurt. You're going to need the rookies to

step up. You might see the rookie in there for a handful of plays at the bend of the season, and Rogers wants them to be ready and for everything that didn't go great on Tuesday, and it was not a great offensive performance for the Packers on Tuesday. Wednesday was a step in the right direction. They are going up against a very tough, very veteran defense in the New Orleans Saints. But they won more in the areas that I think Aaron Rodgers wants them to win. There

was more preciseness with the routes. There were fewer penalties at the line of scrimmage procedural penalties. Matt for saying that he counted up seven in that first practice and then honestly it wasn't Rogers on the field, but when they're in the two minutes and Jordan's Love airs it out there for Samori to Ray, probably one of the best balls that Jordan's Love has thrown yet in a

Green Bay Packers uniform too. Ray caught it in stride and not just making the touchdown, but because of the game situation them needing to get the two point conversion to win, he has to come right back in despite kind of having his hands wrapped up by the defensive back, he still catches the two point conversion. Those of the small things that need to happen because this if you're not doing this in these settings, you're not going to be able to do them on Sundays in September. Yeah,

it was. It was a good sign to see those those young guys respond make some more plays on on Wednesday and you know, sort of reset the course hopefully for for where the group has set it. I thought, in terms of um strictly the starters, the number one offense, to me, the most encouraging thing that I saw in again, what was what was a very up and down couple of practices because that is that is a darn goood

Saints defense, and the Packers weren't entirely sharp. But those two days Tuesday and Wednesday, I thought were the best days that we've seen from Sammy Watkins since since he put on a Packers uniform. Watkins himself said, you know, he wasn't so crazy about Wednesday. You know, Tuesday was

definitely his best day. But in terms of putting together those practices backed back against another opponent, Watkins talked at his locker, Wait a bit, I have a story up on on Packers dot com right now for anyone who wants to check it out. He's being very as a veteran receiver, being very demanding and exacting of himself to try to learn all of the checks and the adjustments and the nuances and everything of the way Aaron Rodgers wants to run this offense. Um, Sammy Watkins is being

is being absolutely meticulous with it. Now he has an opportunity to do that because he's not swimming in the playbook as much as a rookie is right learning an NFL playbook for the first time, and this is a transition that Watkins has gone through before he's joined the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes. Last year it was the Ravens

and Lamar Jackson. You're talking about other m v P quarterbacks, but even Watkins said, you know Aaron Rodgers eighteen season fifteenth as a starter four m vps on the shelf. This is a guy who who is very demanding and exacting of himself and his teammates, and wa Kins wants to match that in terms of in terms of how he goes about it to get on the same page with his quarterback. What we saw the last two days, it's coming right. We can see, we can see the progress.

We can see Watkins getting there, but he was also very careful to say I'm not there yet. I'm I still need to push. I still need to tell myself that I'm not all the way there mentally, because when it comes down to a crucial situation in a two minute drill and a third down and whatever, I have to be out there not thinking about what I'm doing. I have to know exactly what to do and exactly what Aaron Rodgers wants me to do. That's where Sammy Watkins wants to get to Mike. And when I think

about everything Watkins said. It was funny to me because people just we do all these press conferences, right, we do these interviews, and you see these media huddles on packers dot Com and everywhere else, and guys talk and they'll talk for ten fifteen minutes, and you never neally know you know what topics are going to come up.

But I saw a direct parallel between Watkins was saying on Wednesday to what he said a few months ago when he discussed how important this opportunity was to him, and when he talked about this his back being up against the wall. He doesn't want to waste time here. He knows that opportunity is not available to him. He's been with Baltimore, he you know, had the Super Bowl run with Kansas City. But ultimately, individually, he still has

a lot to prove to himself. And if he's not ready for this thing off the bat, it's gonna put him behind because the Packers do have a lot of young guys that they're excited about. He wants to go out there and show that there's a reason why you brought Sammy Watkins in here, and I'm going to be able to be a veteran that not only comes in and contributes, but immediately earns that trust of Aaron Rodgers.

Because as much as we talk about the rookies, the veterans coming in, well, they have seen a lot of football. He's played with a lot of great quarterbacks. This is a different new quarterback that has to get familiar with him. So the accountability side of it, and I heard this about Watkins before he even got here, and the way he carries himself, it's there. This guy is a professional

and he's not going to back down from that. And to be honest with you, when I was watching him and that Tuesday practice, especially when I was seeing the offense a little bit more, he was one of the better players on the field that day. He was making the plays that you want to see Sammy Watkins, the ninth year veteran, the former fourth overall pick make, And I think that's the most exciting thing. Nobody is asking Sammy Watkins to be a two thousand yard receiver this year.

They're asking him to be the best version of himself to help this offense get through this in your interim area where they don't have a Davante Adams, and I think Watkins is definitely up to that challenge. Yeah, I think he is too. I mean Aaron Rodgers has expressed his confidence that Watkins is up to the challenge. Matt Lafleur has said, so we know Jason Vrabel, who worked with him in Buffalo, has that has that level of

confidence in him as well. And I just thought it was interesting that that, even after you know, really his two best days as far as back to back that we've seen on the practice field so far from Sammy Watkins, the first thing he was saying at his locker is I'm not there yet. This is not that. This is not like, hey, I've arrived, I've got this all figured out. Now, I've been through this transition before. You know, We're good

to go. That's not where that That's not where he is in terms of how he assesses his own situation. He's gonna keep pushing, He's going to keep driving. He wants to get to the Randall Cobb level as soon as possible. Now that's going to be impossible quite frankly, right, It's that that's an impossible task, an impossible standard for somebody to meet in their first year with Aaron Rodgers. But that's what he's going for. He wants Aaron Rodgers to feel about him the way Rogers feels about Cobb

and Lazard in this offense. Absolutely, and and for me personally, I'll just put it out there, if Sammy Watkins stays healthy, you can time stamp this eight two thousand twenty two. If if Watkins stays health throughout the course here, he's going to win the Packers a game or two by himself. I mean, he's done it a couple of times in regular season openers over the course of his career already.

He's that type of receiver. And I really think Mike in an offense where they're gonna spread people out and they're gonna make these running backs think every time Sammy Watkins has been in a situation where he can have one on opportunities, the guys thrived in those offenses. I'm just I'm just saying, yeah, I know, it's it's exciting to see exactly where this can where this can go.

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Friday night, seven pm Central kickoff at lambeau Field. Now we haven't heard anything definitively, but my expectation is that the vast majority of the Packers starters are going to be sitting much as they were last Friday night out in San Francisco. This is going to be the the two, the twos, and the threes probably for probably for both teams.

We'll see what the Saints decided to do. I have absolutely no idea what their plans are, but I think when when we look at this, and whether you're talking about Jordan's love or other guys you look at, you look at a second preseason game. Now for the for these young players, it's about it's about looking at the guys who had their moments right, Um, who made an impression, made an impact in that first preseason game, and can they do it again? Um, Jordan's Love obviously has some

things with with the accuracy of his his throws. He'd like to clean up. The receiving corps has some things that that they need to clean up for Jordan's Love and and catch the passes that that uh that are catchable and keep the chains moving and keep their young

quarterback in a rhythm. For me, when it comes to looking at those impact guys from San Francisco last Friday night who are looking to to you know, proving that they can do it again, that they can have that kind of impact in the game again, two guys stand out to me West and it's one on either side of the ball. On offense, it's a Mari Rodgers and

on defense it's Kingsley Nigbari. And I'll start with Rogers because we saw the early in the San Francisco game, the fifty yard kickoff return, nice moment for the special teams there. Then late in the game, he catches the pass in the flat from Danny yet Ling makes a nice move up the sideline twenty two yard touchdown. UM A couple of big moments there for a Mari Rodgers. Can he make that kind of impact again? I think

That's what we're all waiting to see. I think the most exciting thing when I watched that game against the forty was it was sort of the precursor to me the idea in my head of this is what Mari Rodgers could do and when the Packers are at their best underneath Matt the floor. As cool as it is to have Davante Adams and Aaron Jones, ultimately I think a lot of their best successes come from is when guys fill a role in thrive in that role. Um. It was one of the things I talked about with

Josida Deguire out of the gate. Nobody was asking to guard to be a seven yard tight end, but he has a role in his body type that he's gonna fit that really nobody else on this roster was going to be able to replicate. That's a Mari Rodgers to me. He had the fifty yard return and Mike, can you tell what that meant to the Packers to be able to break that return that side that sideline was going crazy? Well,

first off, you know, Rogers stands up. I mean, you can tell that was one year of just weight off of his shoulders of I can do this at this level. We can do this as a unit. We can break a big return here, we can create opportunities for ourselves. And then seeing somebody like Rashawn Gary come and completely face plant the kid, it was the entire It was an uplifting, rejuvenating moment for I think these special teams, a special teams unit that is desperately looking for wins

right now. A lot of these guys that are gonna be on this team, there's gonna be some turnover, but there's gonna be plenty of guys like Rogers on the squad that were part of last season and want to walk last season from their brain. That's a good way to do it. But even with the twenty two yard touchdown, that was an instance where Amari really made the necessary corrections.

He he saw what was happening, he saw the blitz was coming from the slot, and he knew he was probably gonna be the hot read in that instance, and once he got the ball in his hands, he made someone miss. I don't know if a Mari Rodgers a two er in sixteen pounds makes that guy miss the way that this version of a Mari Rodgers did, And how confident he was going down the sidelines. Mary Rogers has played football his entire life. He's known Randall Cobs since he was nine. His dad is Team Martin. This

guy wants it. He wants to prove that he was a good third round pick and the Packers were justified in going up to trade for him. I love everything I saw from him, but this is a game of consistency and he needs to come out of the gates and this matchup against the Saints and continue to build on that, like all these young receivers do. Samari too Ray talked about it too, that fifty yard catches fantastic. That's a good feather in your cap to have right now.

But if you don't keep doing that or you start dropping passes, everybody forgets about that. Yeah, and and that's really what I go back to it. These receivers and Rogers great start with with what they were able to accomplish in Spurts in San Francisco. Can you carry it over now here at lambeau Field. Yeah, absolutely. We hear it a lot in this league. Anybody can do something once, right, then the question is always can you do it again?

And that that's that's what separates the guys who belong in this league from the guys who were just going to flash and eventually uh and eventually go on their way and disappear on the defensive side. I think we mentioned him a little bit on our last show, Kingsley nigbari Um we what we've seen, what we've seen over the last week. This is a young man, a fifth

round draft pick out of South Carolina. I don't know if we hardly talked about him at all during O T A S you know, mini camp during the spring, and even in the opening days the opening week week and a half a training camp, we didn't really see much. He just you know, not to say that he was doing anything wrong, but he just wasn't doing anything to get noticed. Well the last week, I mean, starting with

that game in San Francisco Friday night. This this guy is he's established himself as a daily presence on the practice field now and I should also say the preseason field. He got he got the sack in the game on Friday night. Then on Sunday he was single handedly wrecking the two minute drill for the number one offense with the pressure that he was getting off the edge Um. He was a steady presence in these two days of

joint practices against the Saints. UM had a fair amount of reps against the number one draft I shouldn't say number one, but first round draft pick in uh in Trevor Penning at at offensive tackle for the Saints, and uh and quite frankly, no question about it, clearly got the better of that of of that matchup on a consistent basis, going against a first rounder. And now it's like, all right, he's heading out there for for his second

preseason game. Now it's exciting to think of what the Packers might have here if he continues on this trajectory, because we've talked about how it is so wide open at edge russia outside linebacker. After the two starters for Shawn Gary and Preston Smith, what else do the Packers have? Who can they put in there to give those starters a breather to develop some kind of some kind of

a rotation. And we saw Randy Ramsey get released earlier this week in in the first cut down to eight five, So that's another guy at that position now who's gone. The door is wide open for an Abari here who's known as j J to everybody. That's uh, that's his nickname amongst his teammates and and whatnot. If if JJ can keep this going what we've seen over the last week, the Packers are going to feel a lot better about what they have behind their two starters on the edges. Yeah.

And it's funny too, because I saw Matt Lafleur brought up the JJ thing, and I've always had the same maxim since the very beginning I've started covering this team. Whatever the guy's name says on the roster page, that's what I call him. I don't mix and match it. It's Kingsley to me, but kudos. I like the j J of the Jet or whatever that was that the Kids show. That's where he got his nickname apparently. But this is a guy at a position where the Packers

wanted players to step up. Who really has emerged. And if you look at it, Mike Whitney merciless, he's cooking now. I mean he's he's not coming back through that door. Uh. They've needed a number three guy really in that role now with you know, Zadarius Smith is gone. Obviously, we saw Kyler Facult did in that role in the ways they used him back in two thousand nineteen. They this number three outside linebacker will play. They'll have to play.

You can't play Preston Smith and Rashawn Gary every down as much as you want to. And I think seeing him Bill Hubert from s I said it, and I agree with him. I mean, Kingsley Ning Barrie. Although I don't think he was really ever in jeopardy of not making the team, he did make the team within like four days of practice. I mean he has made it undeniable and he is he He has very very quickly in a in a short period of time. And with with this, this burst of multiple days, multiple practices, has

shown that he belongs in the NFL. This is it. This is a This is a young guy who belongs and he's going to be here on this Packers. And he hit the trifecta. He practiced well against his own team. He carried it into the game against the forty niners in whatever momentum, confidence, whatever you wanna call it. He just came right back against the Saints and put it to work. When I was talking about all the pressure

that was getting generated, you were right. Ning Bari was a big part of that so the other side of the two, if I may really quickly before we move on, I just want to give a quick mention as well to Jack Heflin. I wrote about him this week on Packers dot Com. Heflin really reminds me of the j Rone Elliott's Uh, some of these guys that are the the undrafted college free agent types that you know there might be more talented people at his position. As he says,

he understands how high the ceiling is. He's trying to raise up the floor. That's his goal when he's on the field. But when he's in games, the guy finds ways to win consistently. Last year he lead the Packers and quarterback knockdowns. This year he comes out of the gate, he sets the tone against the run. There's these guys, Mike every year. I talked about with Rico Gafford a little bit earlier this month too, Guys that just want it,

not saying they want it more. I'm not trying to compare anything, but Jack Heflin is putting every single thing he has into this camp because he knows nothing is guaranteed. He can play out of his mind and maybe still not make the team. With how deep that position is. But he's not going to leave anything up in the air. He's going to leave it out all in the field. Yeah, when when these you're talking about, you know, guys like Heflin and what they do over the course of multiple

preseason games. We saw it last year. That's why he made the team. He's trying to do the same thing. And for a guy, you know, it's a guy who's trying to carve out a role to where you know, maybe he gets a handful of snaps a game the regular season to spell some of these guys who were in front of him. Well, he's gonna play twenty five or thirty or thirty five snaps in a preseason game. Um. The the the opportunity that he has to show what

he can do is is not lost on him. And and his his relentlessness when quite frankly, he had to be dog tired in the fourth quarter of of that game last Friday night in San Francisco, and how he just he kept coming after San Francisco's offensive front. That's the kind of thing that stands out on film to the coaches. That's the kind of thing that gets you noticed. And uh and Yeah, he's another one of these guys that made an impression in that first preseason game. Can

he do it again? And but his situation is a little bit different than that. He's been through this before. Right, He's been through this before and he's made the team. He's trying to do it again and actually more difficult circumstances because of a first round pick at the position and a free agent you know, I'm talking about Davante Wyatt and then a free agent brought in at his position in Jared Reid. He's still trying to fight to uh, to make the squad. So yeah, he's definitely another guy

to keep an eye on. Last thing before we go. Anybody else that jumps out to you that your eyeballs are going to be on from the press box at Lambo Friday? Yeah, I said it during the Packers pregraming radio. I'm gonna keep saying it now. It's Jack Coco who was the backup long snapper. Really, when you look at it, what he was doing in Georgia Tech that transitioned over to tight end once he got a you know, a scholarship. Jack Coco is the only long snapper on this roster.

Right now. And I know that's a very small thing. It's not it's not you know, a receiver running back, but that's a critical position for the special team's unit that's trying to get renovated, and he has no competition in the building at the moment. This is I can't think of a more golden opportunity for a guy that never actually was a long snapper in terms of the punts in college, was only the short snapper on some

of the field goals for three years. This guy is someone that you know Byron Storer, the Packers assistant special teams coach, I kind of found Rich Bisaccia like they brought him in on a tryout. He makes the team as a tryout player, gets that contract. Stephen Wardle was released a week ago. Now he's competing against every long snapper in the league right now once you get down to the end of camp. But this is for a guy that who knows what was going to happen if

Green Bay doesn't call for him. This is this is a golden ticket in the candy bar. So I just I thought last week he he had a good, solid performance and realistically, I mean these next two weeks are probably as critical of anybody on the roster. For him to show what he can do in the preseason settings. Yeah, absolutely, definitely another guy to watch. And once you start talking about candy bars, it's time to time and coco. Yeah, and cocoa, We're going to call it a rap on

this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team training camp Friday night's preseason game. We're gonna have it all for you on Packers dot com for West, I'm Mike. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. See you next time. Get me