#650 Packers Unscripted: Defensive details

by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field, and as promised on our last show, today's show will focus on the off season news with regard to the Packers defense and West I need to establish a little bit of a timeline here as too, as to how things went, because as the start of the new league year, the start of free agency mid March um last month, the Packers had some salary cap issues. They needed to be that

three o'clock on March sixteen, they think it was. They had to be in compliance with the salary caps. So there were some moves made that that certainly had an

impact on the defense. Once Darius Smith was released, Preston Smith was signed to a contract extension which created some salary cap relief for the current year, and then Dave Andre Campbell was signed to a new five year contract, and at at the time that the new league year began, the Packers had Preston Smith under contract, of Andre Campbell under contract, Davante Adams franchise tag number was under the cap, and that for the moment was looking like the direction

the Packers were going to go. But then when it became apparent that Davante Adams was not going to sign a long term deal with Green Bay, the trade was worked out with the Raiders. Then suddenly more cap space became available and Russeul Douglas was resigned and Jaren Reid was added as a free agent on the defensive line.

So some dominoes started to fall after the Davante Adams trade that had have given the Packers defense in a look that maybe we weren't a specting because going into it, I didn't think both Devandre Campbell and Russell Douglas would be back. But it turns out that's where the Packers are. And you really think about it, Mike, I think the green Bay Packers Devandre Campbell, that's the best situation for both players, the green Bay Packers and Russeul Douglass. I

don't think that's debatable. I think that's the best situation for both players in this I'm really excited for what this Packers defense has coming back next season. I understand they took a big hit at outside Russia. You're losing, you know. Zadarius Smith, a guy that in his two healthy seasons was went to the Pro Bowl both years,

was a second team All Pro. The statistics that he put together, the sack numbers he put together in those first two seasons, they're legitimate, and he was a big part of this resurgence that the Packers defense has had. Unfortunately for him, he suffers that that back injury last year, and I think there was, you know, some structural stuff going on there. There was the cap situation, and we'll

see exactly what happens now that he's in Minnesota. Thought he was going to Baltimore for a minute, but he ends up in Minnesota. But what happened at that same time was the Packers very quietly resigned or should say, extended Preston Smith, created some more cap space there and took care of Preston for the long term. They were able to keep deve Andre Campbell, which, as I've said over and over and over again, Mike deve Andre Campbell's presence in this defense has altered my belief in the

inside linebacker position in today's NFL. And and he's talked, you know, at quite quite a great length over the past year about what his thought process was when he came to Green Bay last June, why he picked this place, why he felt like this was the right fit for him, why he probably left some money on the table to

come and play in this defense. But the one thing he mentioned when addressing the media for the availability at the beginning of the off season program here was he told the Packers flat out, I want to be a MIC linebacker. I want to be the one where in the communication had said I want to be the middle linebacker in the in the in the heart of the defense. He wanted to be the guy running the dfense. He felt he felt he could be a star in that position.

He could he could do everything that was asked of him in that leadership role on the field, and he delivered. And if you think about it, you go back to Atlanta. I've said it a couple of times. I wrote it. I mean the two thousand sixteen draft, they hit it out of the park with their linebackers that they drafted, right, you know, with you know, Keyan O'Neil and uh you know um Dion Jones and and just the bodies and athletes they had and here's Devondre Campbell in the fourth round.

That he was a solid player, started basically right on from his rookie year. But as Preston Smith said, he was the kind of guy that you looked at him on film was like, that guy's really impressive. He's all over, you know, all over the places around the football, but he didn't know who he was. The Packers allowed him to be the centerpiece of this defense and it let not only him really flourished, but it showed a different dimension to this Packers defense that I haven't seen really

in my time on the beat. Not only was the inside linebacker position filled, it was one of the best positions Green Bay had on the field. Yeah, I mean to go from you know, a guy off the street as the saying goes to be, to becoming a first team All Pro in his first season in a new location and a new defense. All of that, it was an incredibly impressive year that Devandre Campbell put together. And when he spoke with the media this week on Wednesday, as we said, there are a few players are made

available for the start of the off season program. The thing that struck me is is I didn't realize when when he signed last year, I was like, okay, yeah he was. He was in Atlanta. He was drafted in Atlanta in ten. Matt Lafleur was there as the quarterbacks coaches. Like, okay, so there's a connection there. Well. He sort of explained yesterday to the media that it was more than just like they knew each other. They they had developed a bit of a relationship. They had a lot of conversations,

they got to know each other a little bit. And Campbell made it sound as though that that relationship with Matt Lafleur, established way back in had a big impact on him choosing to come to Green Bay because he wanted to be that guy in the middle. He wanted to be the guy running the show. He felt that that was what he could do for an NFL team

and he could become a star in this league. And he couldn't get that commitment from anybody else, but Matt la Fleur said, we'll give you a chance to do that. And his relationship with Matt Lafleur, he took him at his word and said and said, all right, I believe you, So I am going to come here. I am going to trust you. You need to trust me that I will deliver what I say I'm going to deliver, and it all worked out. I think that that it's interesting

to me that there was more. What we found out yesterday is there was more to that relationship with la Fleur in Atlanta six years ago than we ever really knew. Yeah, And I got a kick out of him mentioning to you know, because Joe Berry is always kind of the secondary figure in this because they're really on the surface, wasn't a connection there between DeAndre Campbell and Joe Berry?

But then we found out during that media time on Wednesday, No, there was Brandon Staley, who was the defensive coordinator when Barry was in l A. Yeah, he recruited dave Andre Campbell out of high school. I mean, just how small that biosphere is for the NFL and in football is

just incredible. But the thing I enjoyed the most about that story in terms of the relation to La Fleur is it shows you not only the importance of relationships that that goes without saying, but Matt la Fleur understood at a very young age, in an incredibly young age, when he was moving into that position as quarterbacks coach, as the Atlanta of the at NFL gets quarterbacks, Matt Ryan, Matt Shop, maybe a practice squad kid here and there.

That's it, that's your assignment. Here he is going around creating a dialogue with devonri Campbell. Campbell said he didn't talk to him over here and there always on the staff now every single day he was talking to Matt Lafleur, and I would imagine that's probably not the only player that la Fleur was talking to. Those are the things

that position coaches. Sure, you want to build chemistry, you want to be able to those with things, but you can see how that kind lay the groundwork for kind of the program that the floor has built here in Green Bay. I think back to last year Whitney Merciless, the first practice he was in Green Bay. Every all the eyes are on him and Matt with Fleur sitting there talking to him during stretches, not for a photo up,

not to to look good. I mean, he's like legitimately talking to him and having a conversation, and that that that aspect of this I don't think can ever be lost. In addition to the fact that that's what allows a guy like Deveandre Campbell to come in in June and immerse himself in the program. It allows Russell Douglas in October to come in and feel comfortable in a program. You have to feel comfortable before you can be confident. And that's one thing with this defense especially has been

really solid at doing here with these new incoming players. Well, we mentioned Russell Douglas. Obviously he's he's back in the secondary. You look at you look at this defensive backfield that the Packers are putting together here. For two, you're hoping and planning on having Jr. Alexander back for the entire season after he injured that show lder in Week four and then was not able to make it back until the playoff games, so he essentially missed three quarters of

the season. Last year. You have Eric Stokes, a potential rising star at cornerback, first round draft pick, twenty ninth overall pick last year, got thrown into the fire to a much greater degree as a rookie than than expected because of Alexander's injury. But um, but this young man answered the bell every time, his arrow clearly pointing up.

You have Douglas back now with the new contract, a guy that the Packers plucked off of Arizona's practice squad and and essentially in three quarters less than three quarters of a season, becomes a Pro Bowl alternate with the with the type of year he put together, you know, pick sixes in back to back games. We all know about the interception to h to beat his former team in in Arizona one of those first games he was playing for the Packers. Channon Sullivan has left as a

free agent. Obviously, the Packers prioritized resigning Douglas over Sullivan as far as the cornerback position in the dollars to allocate their Sullivan has gone to Minnesota UM, just like Darius Smith. And at safety obviously you have ad your name is Darnell Savage. Now together as you're starting safety pair for a fourth consecutive season, it will be the second year in Joe Barry system. There is a lot to like about what the Packers are putting together and

building here for for this secondary. The the experience level, the accomplishments, the leadership of those guys. This group is really going to be one to watch in pound. I'm trying to think of a better, uh starting five in terms of my time on the beat here in green Bay with that secondary, I mean Adrian Amos. I think time and time again we've talked about it, Mike, he's

one of the most underrated safeties in this league. And you look at the Pro Football Focus numbers a lot of these you know, aggregators that they talk about these things that the things that he does that sometimes can go under the radar. And he's a fluid tackler, He's good in coverage. He has good ball tracking skills for a guy playing the safety position and having to be center field, and he can also go up into the box.

Amos is the guy that I think a lot of times goes with with people not mentioning how talented this young man is. Darnell Savage, you heard Ryan Downard say it feels like he still has the potential that there to be an elite player, certainly has the speed and the makeup the first defensive back that was taken in

the NFL draft. But the three corners that Green Bay has assembled here, that's going to be the biggest part that I think if green Bay can make that next jump here in your two hunder Joe Barry's defense, it's going to start there, because one in a nickel and dime package. You have a multitude of options for how you want to approach that. We've talked about some of them already, you know, going back to the NFL owners meetings, Brian Goodkins kind of saying, yeah, we could potentially match

up JR. Alexander Moore. We could have him trail against some of the top receivers if that's the way that we want to do things. You know that Douglas can play outside, but he's also really physical to it the point of attack. I was saying it he played maybe fifty special team snaps. I would argue he was their best special teams player last year. Really good at its solid, open field tackling, and Eric Stokes completely jumped off the page to me, kind of like JR. Alexander and his

rookie year. There are a couple opportunities that he wasn't able to completely cash in on when it came to interceptions, but his coverage ability and more importantly, Mike, the number one thing I always look for for these young guys coming in is the situation too big for them? Because we know what his speed is, we know what he

did in college, especially his last year at Georgia. But when you start having to match up with some of these top receivers and they're not always going to be able to flank out a safety over the top of you, can you stand up to that challenge Stokes did? I thought it was robbery that he wasn't on the All p f w A All Rookie team. But I don't think he really cares. But I mean, I just feel like this thing is set up for him to have a really solid career here. Yeah, I agree with you.

I thought Eric Stokes should have been on the p f w A All Rookie team with the with the type of season he had, and you talked about from you know, from that makeup standpoint, the other thing you always watched for where the young cornerback is when he gives up a third down conver Ursian completion or gives up a touchdown pass. How does he react, how does he how does he come back? Nothing phase this kid, you know, I mean, it was really it was really

impressive what he did. And getting back to your comment about this starting five in the secondary, you look at the nickel defensive backfield, I think you have to go back. You have to go back more than a decade, quite frankly, to find one that was this talented and this potentially impactful. And I'm talking about the time when the Packers their top three cornerbacks were Charles Woodson, Al Harrison, Tremont Williams. The number one safety was Nick Collins, and then that

second safety kind of shifted around there. It was maybe a Tari Bigbie or Charlie Pepper was supposed to be Morgan Burnett his rookie year in two thousand and ten, but then he ended up blowing out his knee and and uh, and Burnett didn't really establish himself until a

little bit later. But you have to really go in my in my estimation, you have to go back that far to find a nickel secondary the top five guys that are potentially as as talented as as this group as I think it bodes I think it really bodes well. I want to touch on the defensive line here as well, because we'll talk next week in our draft preview show. Certainly, defensive line is an area that I think the Packers are going to start to look to build for the

future here. There there may be some opportunities in this draft to do that. But signing a free agent in Jaren Reid, a guy who's, you know, much like Sammy Watkins in a sense. And what I mean by that is a veteran guy who's been there and done that. Right. He's he's he's been through the wars, he's been through the battles. He knows what it takes to to to be a pro, to show up every day and and all of that kind of stuff. And and this is

a guy that you know. When you have Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, a you know, a rising, improving young player, and t J. Slaton who was drafted in the fifth round last year. Read reads of a veteran guy who can come in and play a rotational role and and help to fortify that unit when whatever you do bring in from the draft, these other young guys like a Slate and from La you were going to need to

be brought along. You don't need necessarily to grab that defensive lineman say okay, we need you to play fifty snaps a game. The Packers, because of a signing of a guy like Read, they don't have to worry about that. It's the number one hallmark that I think has been carried on from the Ted Thompson era into the Brian Gooda consera. Don't go into a draft with glaring needs. You might have needs, but don't go into it where it's like, Okay, you have to take a player here.

You're gonna be in trouble right where if you had to play a game tomorrow, like you don't have you don't really have the horses to do, you know, yeah, because what's gonna inevitably happen is some guys are gonna surprise you and they'll all play that veteran right away. Some guys are gonna need more time, some guys are gonna get hurt. You need to create options for yourself and for the Packers on the defensive line. I can't.

I can't think of another two guys in the NFL right now, and especially at the same position that came in together in sixteen like Kenny Clark and Dean Lowry have and have played down going into their seventh season together. That's almost unheard of. You be able to hit on two guys in the same draft class and have them, you know, get second contracts and and be real pivotal

players for your defense. The problem for Green Bay is basically since Mike Daniels left, they've had a hard time filling that third spot of who that other guy is going to be. Moe Wilkerson was in here, Montrevius Adams was drafted. Um, you know, you go back. You know Kingsley Kiki kind of flirted with that spot for a while, but ultimately wasn't the answer. You tip your cap to Tyler Lancaster because he is a lunch pale kid that brought it every single time, was durable, was able to

work through things. But ultimately, when you look at the difference between Jarren Reid and his makeup and where he comes from, his stat line in the NFL compared to a Lancaster, it's just a different caliber of athlete that you're dealing with. This is one of the guys that

was highly touted coming out of Alabama. He was a guy Mike I remember when we were doing our draft process, I honestly knew more about Jarren Reid than I knew about Kenny Clark at that stage, just just based on the Alabama connection and what they were building there, and I remember that name and thinking could he be an option there At the end of the first round, he ends up going into the second two thousand and eighteen, ends up having a and and a half sack year

for the Seahawks. But even like last year where it's only two and a half, he's still a guy that can play on first and second down as well at six ft three and he played every game, every game in ten pounds and to be able to do that at that size is remarkable. Eighty nine careers games, eight one starts, He's only missed eight over the last six seasons. And when we talk about staples of the Packers, when they look to bring in veterans, Mike, what are they

looking for? Guys that have been available, Guys who have been durable and read checks that box. So yeah, if they want to draft a defensive lineman this week, awesome or next week awesome, go for it. But with those three guys, and with the t J. Slaton there, that gives you a rotation to work with while also developing that next group. Yeah. Absolutely, a little bit of sponsored

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on here. On today's show, we talked about the the situation that some of the changes adjustments with the coaching staff on the offensive side. On the defensive side, you mentioned Ryan Downard, he has been UM Jerry Gray's assistant defensive backs coach. He got an internal promotion. He is now specifically the safety's coach in that UH defensive backfield.

Jerry Montgomery, who has been the defensive line coach for quite some time now here in Green Bay, he has added has a run game coordinator added to his title on the defensive side of the ball. And then Jason Rebervich ReBs as he asked us to call him, is the new off Sorry excuse me, outside linebackers because a lot of words. You just had a scored replacing replacing Mike Smith who who departed and has actually joined Zadarius Smith over in uh UM Minnesota. So those are the

uh those are the changes. Those are the changes on the defensive side of the ball. And Rebervich. Rebrovich is an interesting guy because you look he you you look at his his track record. He's actually mostly not to say that he hasn't worked with outside linebackers, because he has, but throughout his coaching career he's mostly worked with defensive lineman and he was the position coach for a Jacksonville

Jaguars defensive line about four or five years ago. I want to say it was maybe that that that Jacksonville defensive line had like three guys that went to the Pro Bowl and had fifty five some sacks, which was one of the highest totals um in the league. So this is a guy you I didn't know his name until Matt Lafleur hired him, and you may not know his name, but he's worked with some pretty darn good

defensive front players in the NFL well. And the thing that's funny, Jacksonville threw all this money out at all these different players they did again this offseason. The one thing they've probably done well over the last ten years is what they did up front. You know, when you think back to when they got Calias Campbell and Malik Jackson and all those guys. Uh, they flourished down there, and it had a lot to do with the success they had while it wasn't sustainable for them during that

run there in sixteen seventeen and beyond. Okay, this is what I love one In addition to him saying revs. The guy that often goes by hot fully respects that move. And also going from Mike Smith to Jason rebro Vitch is going to be a big ask from a guy

that with a with a big last name himself. But what I like about what the Packers did with these moves, kind of echoing what I said the previous day, is that there's a pattern to it, right and being able to have basically a philosophical foundation for what Matt Lafleur is trying to do. This was a big off season off pensively and defensively for different reasons. But defensively it is about trying to keep this train on the tracks

and just picking up even more steam. And I feel like the moves that they made this has enabled them to kind of do that and bringing in some new ideas too, I mean, as talented in as much of a whisperer as Mike Smith was for Rashaan Gary Gary. Now going into year four, he's starting to become a made man a little bit. What can a new guy with some new thoughts and philosophies and also a guy with Gary's talent that is sort of you know, he could play defensive end too if he needed to. What

what can he draw from that? What can Preston Smith draw from that? So I really like that idea. And also Kudosa Downard, you talked about him being an assistant for Jerry Gray. He actually came in with Mike Pett and staff. He was a guy that sort of followed Patton around, was with him in Cleveland. The Packers think a lot of the young man, and I really feel like giving him that specific group. He said he's been given assignments before, but being able to give this get

him the safeties right now. I think that's a great foundation for him now moving forward. Yeah, we also need to talk about what has gone on with regard to special teams here. We will work that into this show as well, because the last couple of years on special teams it has not been up to uh, up to an acceptable standard here in Green Bay, Matt Lafleur still trying to find the right formula. He has hired Rich Besaccia as the new special teams coordinator. And this is

a guy, my goodness. Not only has he been coordinating special teams on the NFL level for about twenty years, but he was even a special teams coordinator coach at the college level before he got into the NFL twenty years ago. And the track record this, this is this

is a guy. He he had a he had an absolutely unbelievable season, you know, running the Raiders special teams and then taking over as the interim head coach after John Gruden's departure with all the controversy that surrounded that, and then he, you know, gets things together enough with that Raiders team that they make a run in December, in you know, early January, the final month of the

regular season, to land a playoff spot. And then they actually come, you know, within a fourth and goal play in the wild card game against Cincinnati from being able to to get to overtime against the team that ended up representing the a f C in the Super Bowl. UM a tremendous coaching job by Bisacci. He uh did not get the um the full time job as the as the head coach for the Raiders. So he started

looking at other opportunities. And Matt Lafleur wanted wanted to find somebody who was going to come in here with with his own philosophy, with an established way of doing things on special teams, and uh, and this is the guy the Packers are counting on to turn this around. But Sacci wanted to turn the page to two thousand twenty two as well. I hear momentarily talking about the Packers special teams and what he brings to that, but he didn't want to say that he wanted to go there.

I will, I'll put my name behind it. I don't know how he wasn't the Raiders pick as the next had. I agree with you that it blew me away. That's his challenging of a situation that I think anyone is really inherited here. He he came through that with flying colors, and yet and yet somehow the Raiders still wanted to go in another direction. The playoffs is one thing. The close loss in the playoffs is another thing. The fact that he was able to help them keep that team together.

I think speaks everything you need to be said as far as what he's like as a coach in what he brings to the table. And it wasn't just the Gruden thing. Of course, there were issues with off the field, issues with players and coming and going on the roster, all sorts of all sorts of craziness that season for the Raiders had every reason to go off the rails and never come back, and he got them into the postseason.

It was impressive. Yeah, And I'm sure that's something that looking back on his coaching career, he can definitely be proud of. Here's what I liked about what Matt Laflora said when we were when we were down at the I believe it was the owner's meetings. He mentioned, you know you're in for a treat when you meet Pistac because at that point we hadn't talked to me, and he's like, he's a fiery guy and his accurate. He was accurate in that description. But what stands out to me,

it wasn't all hell fire and brimstone, right. It's almost like when you when you when you get your fire started at home, or if you have the gas one too, and it just has that blue sort of line. Everybody knows that's where the hottest part of the fires. Right, it's not the red, it's the blue. Right, that's Rich Pisaccia because it's not just this in your face, I'm gonna go and just start screaming at everybody. It's this quiet intensity. When we were talking to him, that really

stood out to me. And the way he speaks about special teams. It was like listen to a physicist talk about you know, their field, you know, or somebody that's just like minutely instrumentally invested into the details. And I'm not saying that that's what's been missing, but it just shows you the level to which this guy thinks of that phase of the game. He talked, it's not offense,

it's not defense. It's defense. He said, it's the one as man where you bring in a running back and a linebacker and you got them lined up next to each other for the betterment of the team, and they have to execute. They have to execute. And his vision, Mike, this wasn't a guy that just came in and said, Okay, yeah, where's the contract, I'll sign it. I'm gonna go up into my office, grab some coffee. I'll see you at four. This guy actually was like Pat o'donald. I like this guy.

Packers need a punter. We tried to sign him four years ago and didn't get him. Let's go take a look at him. Keyshan Nixon, a kid that came in as an undrafted free agent three years ago with the Raiders. He gets non tendered the Raiders. I don't know if you know this or not. Mike Las Vegas had like twenty six restricted free agents. I don't even know how that happens, but they non tendered a bunch of these guys. Nixon was one of them. Besaccia the Packers, they call

him into Green Bay. We need core guys. We need six core guys, as he said, on our punt coverage team, and then we'll build out the rest from there. The vision is in place, and I really like that because when you have a vision and you have discipline to match that, that's how you get stable units. Yeah. Well, and you mentioned we've already we've already seen Bisacci's influence

on the personnel on special teams. With the acquisition of O'Donnell as the new punter, a guy that, as you said, he tried to get him a handful of years ago when when he originally got the Raiders special team's job, and that didn't work out on O'Donnell stayed in Chicago. But now the Packers have him as the new punter and Nixon a reserve cornerback and a regular on special

teams for him there with the Raiders. So and I think that influence in personnel on special teams is going to continue with uh with Pisaccia as far as his track record goes. The for the for the fans, for the fans who aren't aware, there's a long time NFL analyst. He's worked worked for the Dallas Morning News. He is a highly respected member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection Committee. I'm talking about Rick Goslin and for years and years and years, and Rick is a great guy.

Rick has put together he has a statistic focal formula whereby he sort of throws all the numbers together, shakes them all up, and and ranks everybody's special team. So it's it's combining all of your units, your punt, your kickoff, your return units in both ways, your field goal unit, all of all of anything that goes into special teams goes into his formula and then and then he ranks them. Bacci has been a special teams coordinator in this league

for twenty years. Eight times out of twenty, Bisacci's units have ranked in the top ten in Goslin's rankings, and he just missed another top ten ranking last year because the Raiders finished eleventh in his rankings. Now, you might say, well, you know, eight out of twenty, Well, when you look at the fact that you have punt return, kickoff return, punt coverage, kickoff coverage, field goal, any one of those five units goes south, and it's really hard to finish

ranked in the top ten when everything is packaged together. Right. So the fact that eight out of twenty and almost nine out of twenty um he's had his units for various teams across the NFL rank in the top ten in Goslin's rankings, I think that's that's a that's a track record that stands on its own. And let's be honest, Mike, it's been what fifteen years since the Packers have been in the top ten. I think they've been a one year.

I think they were able to creep up the eleventh or twelve, But otherwise it's been kind of a grind here for the Packers to the two thousand seven special teams. I've been here since two thousand six. The two thousand seven special teams were the highest that I can recall where the Packers ranked. They were. They were up there in the top in the top eight or top nine or something like that of the league. But since then, yeah, it's been it's it's been a tough slog to try

to get amongst those league leaders. So trying to to get some you know, some momentum built here. I think, as I was saying at the end of the last season, and it went from a time of, oh, could they mix in a fake field goal or hey, you know they haven't had a punt return for a touchdown in a while, it's kind of shifted to can you just get you know, the eleven out there playing together, playing

as one and minimizing the mistakes. And it's not easy, you know, as Randall Cobb was saying when he was talking about some of the offensive things and the young guys coming up on that side of the ball, this thing ain't easy. It's not easy to recover an on side kick it's not easy to prass protector, you know, punt protect all these things. Definitely not easy to catch a punt return, but it's a part of the game and you need to be able to have that consistency.

So I think that's the exciting thing that Packers needed, something that was going to change the wins here. And it's gonna take work, and it's gonna take some months here to be able to build this next phase up. But you're seeing the commitment now, and I think you pay enough into that you're gonna see it by the time we get to the regular season. Yeah, well, West,

the draft is a week away. We will preview the draft, take a look at the picks the Packers have, what positions, maybe you know, drop some names of players that might be available in those early rounds. We will do all of that on our next show, but for now we're calling it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team, lots of draft preview information, prospect primer's position by position, roster series, all of that stuff is out there for

you on Packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, We'll see you next time.