Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I am like Spofford, he is West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field West. The Packers coming off of another down to the wire victory, this one thirty one to thirty over the Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore on Sunday afternoon. We'll start with what the game came down to, which was a
two point conversion. John Harbaugh for the Ravens making a call I think everybody expected him to make, which is you score that touchdown with forty two seconds left on the clock. He was going to go for the lead. He wasn't just going to kick and play for the tie and hope for the overtime. Packers managed to stop the two point conversion, recover the onside kick, and they
escape Baltimore with a victory. There's one scenario in my mind where I would have been in favor of them going for two, and that would have been if Matt Lafleur would have used the time out when there's only ten defenders on the field and allowed them to have, you know, basically no time outs left in forty two seconds left on the clock. The Packers didn't go that direction for them to score, still have one time out, forty two seconds on the clock and Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
I didn't understand it. I don't think I'm going to. But as I said to some of our insider inbox readers, I guess I really don't care. This was the decision that John Harbaugh wanted to make. It was very aggressive, and this is why it's called aggression because it ultimately didn't work out for them. You'll go into this probably in a little bit with um what imagine it'll be a big part of your you know what you might
have missed column this week. But you know you're in a position where you have Tyler Huntley there as your backup quarterback. Young man has played really well. Former undrafted free agent. This guy's got a lot of talent. You're putting him in a winning time situation. Though, I guess if that was Lamar Jackson, maybe I understand it a
little bit more. But it's just what he had done a couple of weeks ago against Pittsburgh with Lamar Jackson that quarterback, he went for two in very similar circumstances. So a young guy in that situation as well as he played. Of course he's going from Mark Andrews. That's
what he's done this entire game. So for Hollywood Brown to be open in the back of the end zone as inexcusables, that seems like when you look at it on film, you understand what he's thinking with the basically a half second, second and a half to make that decision. At the end of the day, the Green Bay Packers held onto this victory. They get to number eleven, they clinched their third consecutive NFC North title. But for the Baltimore Ravens, this is just something they're gonna have to
deal with. It's the way the the you know, the dice sort of rolled for them, and you know for the Packers that it turned out favorably. Yeah. Well, on the two point play, we saw Darnell Savage from his safety spot. As soon as Tyler Huntly started a roll to the right, Mark Andrews was lined up, was not lined up as the tight end was lined up split
out to the right with Eric Stokes on him. Darnell says just sold out to uh to get over there to Andrews, and after Andrews had had obviously a big day against Savage against other guys, Savage was able to get the slight deflection on that ball as he cut across the field. The ball then bounced off of Eric stokes shoulder and the past was incomplete. As you said, Hollywood, Brown was was open in the back of the end zone because of the area that Savage had vacated. But
Huntley never looked at him. He was going to Andrews all the way there. And for a guy who had such a huge day, the Packers were finally able to uh to stop him. When it mattered the aggression of the of the Baltimore Ravens, it was. It was evident right from the opening series of the game, right, I mean the they go fourteen plays, or they had gone
thirteen plays. The fourteenth play is fourth and goal from the three yard line, and instead of just making sure you get some points after that long drive that takes half of the first quarter, um John Harbor decides to go for the touchdown. Devandre Campbell makes a great play chasing Huntley on the scramble, gets him for the sack, and the Packers keep the Ravens off the board on that possession. So the way the game started the way the game ended, John Harball was was going for broke
no matter what. Um with the team that he had against the Aaron Rodgers lead Packers. And yeah, he'll I mean, you know, he'll be second guest about it for for a long time, for for several decisions. But um, but the Packers made for all the struggles they did have at different moments. Defensively, the Packers made a few key plays in this ball. Yeah, and Hardball was in that seat for the last thirteen years for a reason. Obviously he's won a Super Bowl there, He's had a lot
of success. But you know, I I understood going for it early in the game. The only reason for that is because field position. We're starting to see what the benefit of that can be if you not only can just go for it and then you know, if you don't get it, you're still pinning them back at their own five. In this case, I think it ended up being the six after this s act and Green Bay punted the ball back punt really doesn't work out. The
Ravens are able to get some points after that. The part of it that I think is getting more confusing for me is what you saw with the first and five situation, which would have been in the fourth quarter, I believe, where they get the full start and then they end up going for it because it becomes fourth and six or whatever on their own twenty eight or twenty nine, and then green Bay gets the ball there.
Coaches are getting pretty risky with this. We saw it with Sean McVeigh a number of weeks ago as well. I think there's a lot to be said for putting your foot down on the gas pedal and showing that you have faith in your offense. But you also have to see the big picture with this thing too. You don't want to have a game where it's just okay, you've got six field goals and out of you know, potentially being able to get maybe you know, three touchdowns
out of that, you end up with eighteen points. I I understand that aspect of it, but it is this fine line that teams have to walk in for Green Bay's perspective, four for five in the red zone, being able to punch the ball in that really is what came down to being the biggest difference in this game. Yeah, I just want to go back one more thing and
then we'll move on. But see, it's interesting you and I have different perspectives on this because to me, the the decision for me that was harder to understand was the one at the beginning of the game, the fourth
and goal from the three yard line. And I was having this discussion with my son Robbie, whom you know, he's uh, he's home for the holidays from graduate school, so we've been talking a lot of football, and he he fed me a great line which I'm gonna use here on the show because you mentioned, you know that fourth and goal from the three, and you're talking field position.
Points are permanent, field position is temporary. How does that decision by hardball look if on the very first third down of Aaron Rodgers with Davante Adams wide open, if he hits that pass, then what does that decision look like? Right? The field position is a completely temporary thing and early in the game. To me, and you know, maybe I'm just conservative and thought in in this type of this type of decision making, I just I want to get
points on the board early in the game. Now, to me, a fourth and one situation, fourth and one I'll almost never fall to coach for wanting to go for it because your whole playbook is open. You can run, you can throw, you can do whatever you want with your quarterback. Anything more than fourth and one, to me, is a lot harder to convert than than than than people realize.
So um but I but I totally expected. As we were watching that game with the Ravens driving for what was looking like the tying touchdown, and we were talking about it as was happening, we knew, like the Ravens score, Harball was going for two, He's going for the lead here and uh and unfortunately the Packers were able to stop that, that that biggest play that mattered and escape with a win. Yeah, fourteen play drive. That's the other side of this. As you get down seventy yards, you
do want to get some points out of that. So it's the decision every coach is going to have to make. I just feel like with having a young quarterback in there as well as Hunley played, there are opportunities for them to take points and they didn't do it. I think that's probably the aspect of it. Because you talk about fourth and one in the Playboo being opened Lamar Jackson's on the field former NFL and yeah, they I totally agree if Lamar Jackson's the quarterback, to me that
the decisions are potentially different to it's. It's just a different mindset in terms of in terms of what you have to work with. Their on the offensive side of the ball. UM, this Packers offense now west despite Aaron Rodgers basically not practicing over a month, this Packers offense has put up thirty plus points in four straight games. UM, it's pretty remarkable what's going on. Rogers has thrust himself right into the thick of the m v P conversation.
The Baltimore Ravens did everything in their power and this is what my what you might have missed video clips are focused on. They did everything in their power to take Davante Adams out of this game with with bracket coverage, double teams, UM, even a triple team in a sense on one play. If you want to go to the website and check out that clip that's in my piece the UM. But the Packers responded. They ran the ball not with big numbers, but with efficient numbers against the
top ranked run defense in the league. And Marquez Velde Scantling had um. In my opinion, it was Marquis's best game of the season. I know, statistically, I think he had more yards in Minnesota with seventy plus yard touchdown. But the plays that the plays that MVS made in this game. He was a big time performer in a big time game when the Packers needed him. And that's really good to see because it was the route tree, right.
I wrote about this after the game. It's the fact that he's showing you his growth as a receiver, not just being a guy that runs four three whatever and can get over the top of a defense and really make teams pay. He was making, you know, these slant routes that the leven yard touchdown pass was a thing of beauty. He's extending for the end zone. Great, great play by him. There was a huge reason why Aaron
Rodgers was so excited about it. Yes it was number four forty two when you could just see, you know, wanting to get that confidence back an MVS that he felt like that was a pivotal moment and honestly it didn't produce points. But that twenty four yard catch that he had on kind of that post that is one of the more beautiful pass and catches you're gonna see in the National Football League. Everybody has showed the skycam view of Rogers throw on that. I don't know how
he throws that. Yeah, the one, the one right before half, right before halftime. There's there's a triangle of Baltimore defensive backs there and there is just a sliver of a green helmet in white uniform and Rogers puts it through three defenders where only his receiver can catch it, and mark Quisvelda Scanty makes a nice play on the ball. It was a thing of beauty. Yeah, the I took a closer look at that one on film and what I noticed because I was like you, I'm like, how
does Rogers even try to throw that ball? Right? Well, what happened on that play is actually that was another play where Davante Adams is getting double teamed from the slot. The guy who was lined up across from mvs UM on that play actually drops off to double atoms and it's a linebacker who's dropping into coverage to pick up MVS going down the seam. In my mind, Roger sees MVS against a linebacker. I'm given my guy a shot
to make a play that was just it was. It was like a split second thing, like boom linebacker on eighty three, that's where the ball is going. But the throw was absolutely perfect because the coverage by the linebacker, who was pretty darn good, Rogers snuck that one in there. Unfortunately, the Packers weren't able to get any points out of that drive, but it's certainly an example of where Aaron Rodgers is the level that he is playing at right now.
I know it seems like every game we see early on first quarter, first drive, maybe second drive, we see a throw that a thrower two that are off here there mentioned the one to Adams on the very first third down of the game. Right, of course he'd like to have that throwback. He's not practicing. It seems to just take a couple of throws something to get him into a rhythm. But once he gets into that rhythm. The Packers scored four touchdowns in a span of five drives.
The only one they didn't was the two minute drive at the end of the first half in that span. When you can when you can put up suddenly four touchdowns through that middle stretch of a game like that, you're gonna be in position to win a lot of football games. And and Aaron Rodgers is just he He's at a in a different world right now. Rogers is so good at this, Mike, And I've noticed this more
this year because there hasn't been the practices. He's like a great championship boxer fighter where he uses that first round and he really finds his range against the defense. And yes, he would have loved to have had that Adams you know pass, certainly he talked about that that floater he just missed Allen Lazard on late in the game. But once he starts to diagnose what the defense is giving you, the way he's able to lock in. I think about that Tyler Davis passed in the scene that
Matt Laflour was talking about. You know, he sped up that route and sped up his throw and how he unleashed that thing based on how the safeties were basically playing Davis to be able to sneak that one in there for twenty two yards. There's no one like him in the NFL, and there hasn't been anyone like him in that regard and how he's able to manipulate what he's seeing Defensively, I thought that was the one issue that the Ravens had. I really like what they did
defensively in this game. I understand why they defended Davante Adams the way they defended him. I think I would have come off that a little bit though in the second quarter into the third quarter, or at least tried to mix it up, because once Rogers was pretty much dialed into the fact that Okay, we're gonna have to scheme Adams up here, he was able to start getting going with foul, the Scantling and some of these other receivers. It isn't just that Aaron Rodgers is putting out other
worldly numbers right now. It's the fact that the last two weeks he's done it by passing to like eight different receivers. The Packers offense is finding its rhythm again and quickly. Just to close on this, the running game, it's not gonna wow you in terms of the statistics. That was one of the best rushing performances Green Bay
has had this season. Because they're going up against the top rank run defense in the National Football League and they ran north and south against that thing, and especially in the third quarter. I felt like that's what really allowed them to establish their rhythm. That what that Aaron Jones was able to do out there. Yeah, and I had posted a story Monday on our website if fans
want to check that out. I took a closer look at the at the rushing and look not not including Rogers rushing yards, which was you know, a kneel down, scramble or broken play. You know, you take that out Aaron Jones, A J. Dillon, the one jet sweep to Alan Lizard, twenty one designed handoff runs. Those twenty one runs produced eighty five rushing yards. Well, that's that's what the Ravens have been allowing, was eighty five rushing yards. That's why they're their number one in the league against
the run. But you take a closer look at that, and the Packers got those eighty five yards on twenty one carries without an explosive run. They didn't have any twenty like a twenty or thirty yard run. That excuse the average. The longest of those rushes was eleven yards, and based on the Packers system of measuring the efficiency of the run. Matt Lafleurd explained to us earlier in the season. On first down, if you get four yards
or more, that's considered an efficient run. On second down if you get at least half of the yards that are needed for the first down. So if it's second and six, if you get at least three, that's that's considered an efficient run. And then on third down, it's a matter of obviously converting for the run to be
considered efficient. Those twenty one designed hand us I was talking about, the Packers got an efficient run fourteen out of twenty one times, and they were actually at fourteen out of nineteen until the very last two when they were trying to to uh to chew up some clock
later in the game. So um to have that level of efficiency even though there weren't big numbers running the ball against the top ranked run defense, I thought that said something about where this Packers run game is considering all the issues on the offensive line that we've talked about all season long, I think it's a good sign going into the playoffs. Can I make one last comment too, on the the structure of this offense right now where it's at, because this is something that really stood out
to me. By the time the game ended, Packers have just been besieged by injuries this year on both sides of the ball, but specifically offensively. When you look at all the knicks that the offensive line has taken, the fact that you've lost Robert Tonyan, Randall Cop has his best quarter of the season, then he goes out with the growing injury and ends up or the core injury and ends up on I R. What really stands out to me the most is this team kind of like, ah,
how would huh? I say this, like a butterfly sort of shedding its cocoon a little bit. Every single time they've had an injury, it's hurt them, but it hasn't really all come at the same time. They lost Billy Turner, here comes Dennis Kelly, they lost you know, Josh Myers. Well, there was Lucas Patrick. They lose Randall Cop. Well, now
Alan Lazard's back from the shoulder injury. It's very interesting to me that while they have had injuries and it's been pretty consistent, it hasn't been at one exact moment, And I feel like that's allowed this offense to kind of evolve a little bit. So, yeah, it ends up being MVS in this game. It was Lazard last week. You've seen these different offensive linemen step up. They've been able to actually develop some chemistry with each other amidst
the chaos. Yeah. And and to me, I think that's one thing that down the stretch here, with the versatility and mallability of this offense, I think it's really gonna end up helping them. That's another line. I'm gonna steal chemistry amidst the chaos. I like that. That's that's a good one. You got it. One. A little bit of
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I thought had some very interesting words in terms of his analysis of the defensive struggles at the end of the game. On Sunday with the Packers on four Sunately, after the defense got the fourth down stop in Baltimore territory, the offense was not able to get the touchdown that would have made it a three score game. Field goal kept at a fourteen point game, so just two scores, and the Ravens were able to get those two scores
on their final two possessions. Matt Lafleur was he was pretty frustrated, Um, you know, for a for a victory Monday press conference. He was a little grumpy, and that that's and that's okay. I when I think when he looked at the film and he saw he commented on what he felt like the defense not being always ready at the snap, guys not guys not getting into Sometimes
it was the call not getting in. Times sometimes it was guys just not showing the urgency playing with playing with the urgency and aggressiveness that he was hoping for in some of those situations, particularly third down, particularly the fourth down conversion on the past to Mark Andrews. You know, a fourth down stop there in that situation would have
essentially sealed the ball game. UM, Packers are for for as as much as this defense They made three key plays in this game, the fourth and goal stop early on, the fourth down stop in Baltimore territory in the fourth quarter, and then the two point conversion stop. Joe Berry's got Joe Berry's got some work to do here with his guys, because on balance, this was not a performance that they would be happy with. No, it was a tough one,
especially that second half. You know, one of the things that kind of keep an eye on two is they played more personnel packages in this game than they probably have all season. They deployed all of them. They had bass, penny nickel, and they played dime quite a bit. I think Kevin King took like thirteen snaps of dime. That's Packers typically haven't really played that much. They've stayed a
lot in their nickel packages. Yeah, and King kind of replacing Henry Black as the diet as the six defensive back, going with an extra corner as opposed to an extra safety. Just throw that out. You know. The one thing I thought, and this is what they're gonna have to keep an eye on, because they're gonna end up you could see you know, Kyler Murray again here. You could end up seeing Taysom Hill. Certainly we know what happened with with
Taylor Heinekey when the Packers played Washington. These scrambling quarterbacks Man green Bay did a really good job against them during the first half of the season, the last two games against obviously now Hunley and then before that with Justin Fields, those guys being able to get outside the pocket and creating plays. Yeah, as you said, the Packers,
they seemed to after the Heineke game against Washington. The Packers really seemed to buckle down against Russell Wilson, against Kyler Murray, against Patrick Mahomes to a certain extent in Kansas City. But then now that now that containing the
running quarterback has has gotten away from them. Yeah, and it's really about being disciplined and staying within yourself because the problem is if you go speed to power and you try to, you know, get these tackles off the edges, well, now you're opening up the entire canvas for the quarterback to be able to step up and make a play. That's what Hunley did and that was obviously the big
offensive adjustment for Baltimore in the second half. You know, overall, I actually thought they did a pretty decent job in terms of limiting the explosive plays. When they hit them, they hit them. But for the most part, you know, you look at Hollywood, Brown had ten catches for forty three yards, and the explosive players where Mark Andrews, and it was the first one very early in the game of forty plus yard or otherwise. It was especially on
those last two drives. It was essentially dink and dunk and then Huntley with scrambling. Huntley had seventy three rushing yards in the game, but forty five of the seventy three were on the last two drives. You'd only run for twenty eight yards until the fourth quarters. So they were doing the job and then they weren't. Yeah, they
just had to figure out the adjustment there. So now you look at the next upcoming games here, you know, depending on what they end up seeing, if ends up being Nick Mullins or if they are able to get um you know, Baker Mayfield back on Saturday. Obviously Kirk Cousins. We know what the game is kind of there, and then certainly you know Jared Goff. So I mean, they're not going to be really tested in terms of the feet here. These next few weeks. Right, It's something you
have to keep in the back of your mind. Green Bays defense. I know there's a lot of people in the inbox already asking about, Hey, is this a concern that they've given up this In many points, I'm not concerned, mostly because they didn't have Kenny Clark in this thing. They still had to find themselves to offensively with the way they had to change some stuff in the secondary.
I think the bigger thing is is just understanding what this kind of gone against them here in some of these situational type games the last few weeks, and making those corrections here as you get ready for the postseason. Yeah. Absolutely, I felt I felt the way that game was going if they had made Tyler Huntley you have to pass the ball from the pocket on those last two drives, I don't think he can drive the Ravens twice down
the field for touchdowns. I think the fact that not only could he scramble to run, but get out of the pocket and and have the clearer view of things and be able to make throws on the run, make throws near the boundary, that was the kind of that was the kind of thing that made things a lot easier on the Ravens, and I think that's what Matt Laflu was upset about. You can't rush him like every other quarterback because the problem is, even if you beat your man, uh you know, we saw it like with
Tipa's spin move. I mean, even if you get past the Honley so elusive, much like Jackson would have been. These guys, even if you get up in their face, it doesn't mean you're sacking them. So that's the one thing Green Bay is gonna have to keep in mind and certainly have to figure out, you know that the ten man on the field deals. You know, they got
they got some stuff to clean up here. But but certainly, as we always say, and as Adrian Amos has talked about a couple of times the past few weeks, it's easier to learn from these things than a win than you know, having a loss. Yeah, no question about it. Another thing I want to ask you too, Okay, Aaron Rodgers at four forty two, right, he's tied Brett Farve. Congratulations to Rogers, tying far for the most touchdown passes in Packers history. No small feat by any stretch of
the imagination. Who's getting four forty three. It's coming on Saturday against the Browns. David Bocking tackle eligible play with box tr playing his first game of the season, playing really well left tackle. Give the big draft a big tight end package. I'll tell you what I thought for two seconds on that game on Saturday. On Sunday, I was like, you know, if Mercedes Lewis can break another tackle? Sure it sure looked like he was. Yeah, um, uh, you know what. Let's uh, let's just I'm to play
the odds here. I'll go with Davante Adams as much as I want to say Louis, I just feel like maybe DeVante is up for a big play. Yeah, this is this is kind of funny because I asked you this when we were watching the game. We were talking, Okay, is it gonna be Adams, is gonna be Lewis? Is it gonna be Lazard? Mvs? What happens? If Free is
Juwann Winfrey, that'd be his first NFL touchdown? Right, So then like who gets the who gets the I mean, if I'm Juwann Winfrey and Aaron Rodgers is going to keep my first touchdown past forever as the record breaker, I think I'd be okay with that think so, you know, but it's just I just throw it out there because it's it's it could happen. I I don't put it past I don't put it past anybody getting number four or forty three because Rodgers is gonna, Rogers is gonna
throw to whoever's open. I really respect Rogers for giving DeVante number two hundred. Um, I really respect James Jones for giving some lucky fan in roight at the Georgia. I would I do I think that ball has to go to Aaron Rodgers. Oh yeah, I mean I'm saying I'm saying that kind of tongue in cheek. You know, what if it's what if it's juwann winfree? But I do think, I mean if I if I'm if I'm win free and my touch, my first NFL touchdown, is the record breaker, and it's on Aaron Rodgers mantle for
the rest of time. That's that's all right, that's all right. Quickly before we go, Um, the Packers are eleven and three and lo and behold the Arizona Cardinals and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost to fall to ten and four. They are in a tie now with this for the second best record in the NFC with the Dallas Cowboys.
Suddenly the Cowboys are the team that is the most dangerous to the Packers in terms of potentially stealing that number one seed because the Cowboys would have the tie break around the Packers if they would manage to even up their record with Green Bay. Because Dallas has only lost one game to an NFC opponent that was actually in Week one against against Tampa Bay. So um three teams that ten and for the Rams going for ten
and four tonight in their rescheduled game against Seattle. The Packers still very much in control of things, but the one team that they don't have a tie, don't have the tiebreaker on, would be the Dallas Cowboys. And give that a couple of weeks. Uh not because I'm saying, oh, the Dallas is gonna trip and fall here. But Dallas
has some tough matchups. They've got two division games against Washington and Philadelphia sandwiched around a game with Arizona and Arizona team that will be looking to right the ship heading into the post. And Arizona is gonna be playing at home. I mean, they're gonna want to that's a huge game for them. That's about as big as any of these matchups are going to get down the stretch in terms of buys, in terms of seeding. It's it's gonna be a critical one, honestly, Mike. The biggest thing
was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers kind of falling on their face. Uh. Talked about it. Stunning final score, not so not so much the result. I mean the st the Saint speed him earlier in the season. I'm surprised the same it's won the game, but I'm more surprised that the final score was nine to zero. It wasn't pretty. And then they lose Chris Godwin here. Antonio Brown is gonna be coming back for them. But I'll tell you what, Mike, Uh, this schedule lined up really favorably for Tampa Bay. They're
they're getting We had talked about it. I didn't expect. I didn't expect the Buccaneers to lose again Carolina two of the last three weeks with the Jets Sandwich in between. That's favorable. So for Green Bay to actually be able to get out one game ahead of them right now, I think it's really key. We'll see how all this shuffles out, but ultimately I have to imagine if you're down in the locker room with Matt the floor of the messages, we control this. We run the North. Now,
let's run the conference. And if you can get this thing back, you can get that number one seed again. Mike. I keep saying it time and time again. You're not gonna have an unsaved and unseasonably warm day in the NFC Championship game again. You're not gonna be playing in front of nine thousand fans again. If you can win out and get to home games at lambeau Field in the month of January. I really do like the way that this line's up for green Back. Yeah. Absolutely, it's
all out there. It's all out there in front of the Packers. It's there for the taking, there in control. So so stay in control and take care of business. Christmas is almost here, folks, only a few more days to shop for holiday gifts. But a great idea for you would be Team History and Cliff Crystal's book, The Greatest Story in Sports. It's now available at the Packers Pro Shop. It's a four volume hardcover book set that tells the true complete story of the Packers first Century,
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