#635 Packers Unscripted: Wild win

ever imagined. So here we are. Well, you're your household is full of birthdays this week, right, your son is coming up in just a few days. Well, and that's the other thing too. You know, we're any of your kids within your birthday range. Okay, I'll tell you this. When your son is born about three days within the range of your birthday, you've now had your last birthday, so which is perfectly fine. The emphasis is in the right place. But yeah, me and me and the kid,

I'll share the same week. Yeah, well, a fun weekend, a fun week should say, in the hod Kowitz household. But with that, we have a Packers victory to talk about. And it was a forty five to thirty triumph over the Chicago Bears, improving the Packers record on the season to ten and three. And I'll just start with this West. I don't know if I've ever seen a second quarter of football like that one that we saw Sunday night at Lambelfield. That was crazy. I watched three different games

that night. The first quarter, it's this three to nothing kind of like you know, barnstormer a little bit, and then uh forty eight points or whatever it ended up being, I believe, in the second quarter, in the second quarter, and then you finish off the game with the Packers having this huge defensive stand you know they don't they allow seven total yards in the third quarter or whatever it was. And then by the time I got done,

like I was just stunned. But here's the thing is that total points scored seventy two of them in the final three quarters. You have to find a way to win. And to the Green Bay, you know, Packer's credit, they were able to get the job done. Well, that's the thing.

As wild as that second quarter was, which was big plays back and forth, there were five touchdowns in that quarter, scored on a play of longer than thirty five yards, which was actually an NFL record for one quarter of football based on statistics going all the way back to the nine twenties according to NFL research. But after that, after all that back and forth, and the Packers entered the second half down one, it was domination by Green Bay.

Quite frankly, the Packers offense was rolling. The defense did not allow the Bears to get a first down until I believe, like four minutes left in the fourth quarter, somewhere in that range. The Packers, once the game kind of settled down, and this is what I wrote about Sunday night, after We're all trying to calm down watching everything that happened. Once the game itself had actually settled down, the Packers were in complete command. Yeah, it was a

very decisive win in that regard. I mean, I think it was pretty clear to anybody by the time the game was over, the green Bay Packers were a much better football team and much more complete football team, and

ultimately made fewer mistakes. And I know that saying something considering some of the misques on special teams, but you know, when you look at the Chicago Bears, whether it be the interceptions from justin fields, the fact that they went into that that lull in the third quarter, they had some huge opportunities potentially on special teams that got taken away by penalties. A lot of times, Mike, this game comes down to execution and discipline. For the Green Bay Packers,

both of those things swung in their favor. Yeah. Well, what we saw Sunday night was really the Packers in a lot of ways, overcoming a lot of different things, and starting with the offense. The offense overcame a really really sluggish start in the first quarter where there were a couple of sacks, there was a botched handoff exchange. But then in the second quarter, the Packers started to

get their groove on offense. They were taking you know, underneath throws, moving the chains, you know, they weren't necessarily going for the for the big play. And once that offense got rolling, the Packers were in a really good rhythm offensively the rest of the ball game. You Know, what I thought was kind of the one of the bigger plays. I would not call it the biggest because

it did the drive didn't produce points. But one of the moments that I thought actually was really important for the Packers early on was that thirty two yard completion to Alan Lazard. Yeah, when they were backed up it was a third and eighteen and the drive ended up stalling out, and obviously, you know, some stilling still went wrong for the Packers after that. But to me, it seemed like the moment after that the offense really started

to find itself. Lazar became a big focal point. You know, they don't have Randall Cobbs, so they basically moved down

Lazard into that slot role. Everybody moved around, but La Fleur said afterwards that was kind of the next guy up there, And I thought Lazard gave them, while incredibly different type of body type than Randall Cobb, gave them a similar presence in terms of somebody that Rogers can go to, somebody that he trusts and ultimately ends up scoring that touchdown that I think to really get these, you know, the offense kind of clicking once the ball

started rolling in Green Bay's direction. After at that, you know, with the offense at that point, it wouldn't stop. I mean, the Packers really the four and twenty some yards whatever it was that they put together a bulk of that happened after Lizard's catches and in the offense catching fire. Yeah. Absolutely. On the on the defensive side of the ball, we saw the Packers give up two big plays for touchdowns

in this one. There was the jet sweep touch passed to Jachim Grant and then the third down slant pass to Demir Bird, and those speedy guys just just took off and dashed the Packers for those long touchdowns. But I'll say this one, I thought the Packers defense responded to allowing those big plays in really really strong fashion. And by the same token, the Packers defense made two big plays with its own that helps to wipe out

some of those big ones you allow. And of course I'm talking about Rasul Douglass getting a pick six, his second pick six in as many games. And then the opening Bears possession of the third quarter, Preston Smith getting the strip sack where Shawn Gary recovers, the Packers offense turns that into a touchdown on a on a single play, and that was the moment where suddenly, with the third quarter starting touchdown, turnover touchdown for the Packers, they went

from down to up. My point is, you don't want to give up those big plays. Obviously, on defense. But if defensively you can make some big plays along the way yourselves, it definitely helps to to mitigate the damage when the other team does get absolutely and and really, to me, this kind of almost reminded me a little bit of a boxing match where you had an opponent that's gonna throw some pretty heavy haymakers. You're gonna take a few on the chin. You kind of have to

bite down on the mouthpiece and keep moving forward. Though a hundred yards and two touchdowns off of those two plays, justin fields only through for two and twenty four the entire game, a bulk of his production were on those two plays. And give credit where credit is due. I actually, you know everyone rips on Matt and Aggie and the Bears coaching staff. Actually, they have a really good coaching staff.

I think there's probably not enough talent there. But they get those guys open in space, they scheme things up, those guys made plays. They put their players in a position to make plays. I think the bigger issue for them was they didn't get David Montgomery going in this game the way they were able to do it the week earlier, even though they lost David Montgomery was really the catalyst for them sort of finding themselves offensively. Justin Fields had to do less. Justin Fields felt he had

to do more in this game. He scrambled a little bit more, but he also made some ill advised passes as well. Some he paid for, some he didn't. But the Greeny Packers were just so much more consistent. When you have Aaron Rodgers throwing for three d what was it, forty one yards hundred forty passer rating Justin Fields, you know he's sitting there over on the other side of things with the seventy. When there's that type of differential

between the two, it's gonna favorite Green Bay. But more importantly, defensively, it's that speech. I don't want to make it out to be like this. This you know, win one for the Gipper thing when one for the Preston But you know Preston Smith going in there and telling the guys, this is not up to our standard. We are losing to a four win team, a four and eight team that's starting to think of it's offseason. We gotta play better. It's not just good enough to say that. You have

to come out and perform yourself. And Justin I should say Preston Smith. Did that set the tone for that second half and what Green Bay's defense was able to accomplish. Yeah, absolutely, when I got when a guy speaks up in the locker room like that at halftime and says, hey, this is not who we are and then goes out there on the second snap for the Bears and makes that play, gets the strip sack and and completely turns things around.

That says something about about leadership, but also a leader pointing to himself and saying and saying, you know, hey, maybe I wasn't who I was in the first half. Either this is this is who I am, this is who we are and uh. And the Packers defense really did turn things around. And is there anything more demoralizing in the sport of football then when a guy gets a strip sack fumble and Rashawon Garry recovers it and they also draw the holding penalty on the play they

played through the hold. An incredible for performance by Preston Smith. And I mean five sacks now in his last four games. I saw one stat I think from Pro Football Focus he has as many pressures over the past month as he did all of last season. Preston Smith since coming off that one game absence from the oblique, the guy's been playing with his hair absolutely on fire. Yeah. Well, and you mentioned too how the Packers didn't allow David

Montgomery to get going. But the other statistic that really jumped out at me, and that speaks to even if you even if you put the pick six aside for just a second, but you look at what Russeul Douglas and Eric Stokes did as the starting boundary corners in this game. Alan Robinson was back for the Bears and he's a big time performer. Darnell Mooney's their number two receiver. Those two guys in this game eleven targets, three catches

thirty three yards. That speaks to what Stokes and Douglas are doing and holding down their responsibilit at east against the top receivers for the opponent. And uh, as much as the Bears were in the game and obviously had a ten point lead at two different times in the first half of this game, justin fields never really got going so to speak. I mean, yes, it was it was the two big place for touchdowns. There was the punt return for a touchdown, but justin fields never really

got going. Because the guys he needed to rely on, Montgomery, Robinson, Mooney, those guys weren't doing the type of damage that that can set a tone for an offense. And uh, and that's why the Packers defense eventually prevailed. And I want to give a shout out here. It's gonna sound like somewhat of a weird shoutout, but I want to give a shout out to Kevin King. Is Kevin King only played three defensive snaps in this game. I imagine that

that was tough for him. Yeah, but this defense is going to need him, This secondary is going to need him. We've seen how these things go. The first question in Credit to Match nine minutes a question every journalist should be asking to Matt Lafleur. You know, what are you gonna do when Jayer comes back? And you know, and

Matt and have an answer for that right now? I don't think anyone does, because for so long the Packers defense, and really on both sides of the ball, has been just under this this abundance over abundance of injuries where it's been next man up, next man up, next man up. Well, what do you do when you start to get guys back? What do you do when you guys start to get healthy. Unfortunately for King it resulted in him not being in

the starting lineup in this game. But when you see Russeul Douglas making the plays that he's made over the past two months, when you see Channon Sullivan making a huge play at the end of the game in the slot, Eric Stokes I think is on the precipice and becoming a really good player in this league, and he's been

their most consistent, healthy, viable corner throughout the season. It's gonna lead to some tough decisions, but we all have all seen how one hamstring injury here, one head injury, one foot injury, it changes the complexion of the season. And especially when you look at Jaire Alexander and his shoulder. Jaire Alexander doesn't hurt his shoulder. You might not have her Soul Douglass in Green Bay right now, but the Green Bay Packer are gonna need that secondary to be

able to make a championship run. And I think even if it isn't this game, it could be the next one. It's about making sure that you are ready when you're called upon, and it was Soil Douglas credit man I have. I can't remember Mike. I wasn't here for the Super Bowl run, But I can't remember a veteran player that came in at the juncture that he did, with the low expectations that were cast upon this young man coming off at Arizona's practice squad that's made the kind of

impact he has. This wasn't some undrafted free agent we didn't know about. This wasn't some guy that was playing a different position. This guy was a former third round draft pick who Jerry Gary gave him a couple of tips on how to watch film better, and he's playing out of his mind. Yeah, it's it's it's really been something to watch. Yeah, it's remarkable. I mean, you we

we talked about from the Super Bowl season. You know, guys like Eric Walden, Howard Green, you know, veteran players who joined the defense midstream, so to speak, and became

very solid players and solid contributors. But nobody's going to say that, you know, in two thousand and Howard Green or Eric Walden is doing what we're sewell Douglas is doing for this defense when when the defense absolutely needed him with Jaire Alexander being out for such a long stretch, you know, and Green he was such a great player for them. But they had Ryan Pickett, and they had b. J. Raggie who was coming into his own. B. G. Rodgers

should have been a pro bowler that year. You you look at Eric Walden, well, it was still the Clay Matthews show. Bristil Douglas is one of the best players on this entire defense right now. Defense with a lot of good players. It's quite the fine. Hey, but they didn't get Stefan Gilmore. They don't know what they're doing, my goodness. All right, Well, serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to them in NFL News that true football fanatics need seven three sixty five.

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there was a lot to like in this game. And I say that in the sense of in the sense of a lot to like in terms of you know your your staples, so to speak. But then also these emergencies, and what I'm talking about is Davante Adams had another double digit reception, a hundred yard game, and a couple

of touchdowns. Davante Adams doing his thing right. We saw we saw a j Dillon grinding out the yards in the fourth quarter that touched on driving the fourth quarter that took eight and a half minutes off the clock. Dylan I believe, had five or six carries for thirty six yards on that drive. That's the kind of stuff that that the Packers offense is built on. That's what you like to see. But you mentioned it before, Al Lazard stepping up and having a really really productive game

and then also Josiah Deguara, Marcedes Lewis. This is probably the most productive I think almost certainly the most productive tight end performance the Packers have had in the passing game, uh since Robert Tonyan went down with his season ending injury.

And when you start to see those types of those types of things, you just wonder how many more doors is that going to open for this offense down the stretch, and as you head into January and whatnot, when some of these guys who have been a little quiet, you might say, in terms of the passing production, suddenly they have. You know, Marcedes has four catches for fifty yards. Josiah

Deguire gets a few catches as well. And and when those guys are always doing what they're doing in the run game on topic, well, and this was the Josiah Deguire that I remembered from the opener in Minnesota. A guy that's gonna be able to catch passes for you and a number of different positions. He's going to be able to throw some lead blocks, He's going to be able to be used as that Swiss Army knife he was in some eye formation looks in this game, as

as that f position. The thing I loved about Louis, though, is we've seen it time and time again, Mike. You know how like DeVante Adams draws all this attention, you got four or five six, some teams just put all eleven guys on him on the Mercedes. Lewis lulls people to sleep. It is remarkable how he goes uncovered in this league, in the National Football League, a guy that's been doing this for sixteen years that has made the production that he has, a former pro bowler himself. And

it happens where they'll give him these cushions. He sneaks out into the flat and nobody's within six yards, I swear. Defenses see him lined up in his usual position, and they just they just mentally immediately go, Okay, he's blocking, and they just they don't think about the possibility that he's gonna leak out for a pass. And he and he makes Now he's not he's not gashing anybody for thirty forty yards, but he's making these eleven, twelve, fifteen

yard catches that are moving the chains and getting things done. Well, that's the best part about If he has this twenty yard catch where he's just getting down failed right, And could you imagine Aaron Rodgers mentioned that the twenty three yard touchdown play to Aaron Jones, that wasn't the design. The design that it was to follow Mercedes Lewis down the scene. Could you imagine if he would have called, if Mercedes Lewis would have caught a twenty three yard

touch down down the scene. What would have happened in lambeau Field. There would have been popcorn flying everywhere with chance, you know, and in howling and embarking and everything. But four catches fifty one yards for Lewis. That's his most offensive production in terms of catches and receptions in his three plus years with the Packers, his most overall going back to that week through third week three season in two thousand seventeen where he had three touchdown catches for Jacksonville.

The guy still can perform at this level. And for Josiah Deguire to be picking up some of that Robert Touny in load, uh, you have to see what happens with Dominick Dafty. He got pretty banged up in this game. But you know, the Packers made that investment in Deguara third round pick, a high draft pick, because they saw the Swiss Army knife tools and how those could be implemented in this offense with Matt Lafleur. And I thought that by far was his best game as a pro. Yeah. Absolutely.

There were some regrets from this game, however, one of those being on the offensive side. Yet another injury on the offensive line. Billy turn goes down with the knee injury. Veteran Dennis Kelly stepped in at right tackle. By all accounts, held up just fine and whatnot. Matt Lafleur suggested that Billy Turner might not be out for the season, that this might not be a super serious type of injury, but evaluation still going on. We will just have to see.

He's certainly going to be out at least for something. I mean, I would think but if the Packers, based on how that injury looked, if Billy Turner can actually come back at some point in this season, you'll be thrilled with that. Yeah, Billy probably set a record. I'm not saying this to make a joke. I mean, he was in that blue tent forever after that age. They

were checking him out for a long time. Usually something happens, they get him on the cart, they get into the locker room, but they really took a look at it and Billy was able to actually walk back to the locker room on his own, very slowly, very gingerly. But the fact that he was able to do that, you hope that that bodes well. I'll tell you what, Mike. I remember Mike McCarthy used to talk about NFL teams

average to a c L tears a year. Green Bay Packers are basically covered for the next three season on that metrics. So you hope that that you know, Turner, this thing turns out all right, you can get him back because him and Royce Newman, they were the only players on the offensive side of the ball to play every snap this season and he's done all of it at right tackle. Uh Now, Dennis Kelly, credit to him. He came in played really well for a dude that hasn't played in an actual game in a d and

twenty one days. But still, I mean, there's a reason why Billy Turner has been that rock, as Matt Lafleur said, and Green Bay really needs him for a title run. Yeah. Absolutely, So hopefully the good news there will be some more good news regarding Turner as as this week unfolds special team side of things, though, a really really rough performance for the Packers. Um alarm bells kind of going off

everywhere with regard to what was going on. I'm not going to go through the litany of mistakes it was. Um it was a long list of some bad happenings.

On special teams for the Packers. And I thought the most poignant comment to me that Matt Lafleur made on Monday when he addressed addressed what was going on with special teams the day after, he said, Okay, it looks like the Packers are going to have to turn to some of their veteran regulars on offense and defense and asked them to play a certain phase of special teams, whether it's kickoff cover, whether it's punt cover, something, to take on some extra duties on special teams because because

the personnel that's out there right now is not is not getting it done, and the Packers cannot afford, absolutely cannot afford another performance like that in the third phase of the game, not at all, because you know one of the one or two of those mistakes might happen. It can't be as widespread on a number of units as it was. And whether it be the punt return, whether it be the fun you know, the muff punt at first, whether it be what happened on the onside kick,

you have to be more assignment sure than that. I think here's here's the biggest key is adding on Alan Lazard or a Seul Douglas or adding some of these guys these teams. Is it can improve everything overnight. No, but it would I think give them a much needed boost in confidence. And no, okay, there's a new variable here. Here's here's some actual help. Here's some guys that are proven on these teams that can really assist us in

our goal. I think that's that's critical. I don't want to see you know, Adrian Amos being a gunner or anything like that, but you have to find ways to make things a little bit more palatable here for this unit. And realistically, I mean it's a tough situation that Green Bay has been put in because you just make that switch where you start toying with the idea of using Randall cob on punts. Then he gets hurt, right, you see, Equinimia st Brown has been a really strong gunner for

them this year. He gets the concussion obviously on that that big return from Grant. You know the reason they actually as much as we talk about, you know what Douglas has given them defensively, what Isaac ye Adam gave him. Those guys were kind of brought in as special teams guys originally like that was sort of thing. We need some extra guys here because now you're gonna be using some of those corners already on the roster and more

featured defensive positions. So to use a Douglas, to use a Lazard, if that's what you gotta do, I think you do it now. The only question I wonder about is the deployment of it. We have four regular season games left here. It's important, don't get me wrong, But you also want to make sure that those guys are around for the playoffs. You need to balance how many reps they need to get to be comfortable in those spots and key situations versus Okay, doing it too early

and now you're you're having that risk of exposure. So a lot of decisions green Bay has to make. But certainly, you look at a performance like that, you have to make some structural changes in order to find a way forward. I belie. Yeah, it's it's going to be. Uh, it's going to be a difficult tight rope to walk in that respect, because of because of the exposure, because of the because of just the the extra snaps, the extra

workload and everything like that. I mean, you need Rasul Douglas at his best at cornerback in the fourth quarter of a close game, and if he's taken an extra ten or twelve snaps on special teams throughout the course of a game. As we know, all it can take is is one play. Just like all it can take is one guy on special teams on a cover unit getting out of his lane or not doing his job properly, and suddenly a guy like Jachem Grant has a has a seam and boom has gone for ninety plus yards.

That's the That's the kind of stuff you have to guard again. And the thing you got to recall to is that it's not just that punt return, right, It's that the defense has to go back on the field after uh that play. I remember talking to Divon House about this a number of years ago. Devon would be a jammer, uh you know with the with I should say, a gunner on the punt return unit, and then he

would have to be out play in the perimeter. And you're now you're facing off against one of the NFL's fastest receivers and you've just gotten done, you know, basically running sixty yards down field. So there is that balance and it's something that Green Bay is gonna have to weigh. Yeah. Well, the good news for the Packers in the big picture of things, although there wasn't anything that went right in terms of the results to help green Bay throughout the

weekend's games. On Sunday, Monday night, the Air's own the Cardinals lose at home to the Los Angeles Rams, which has now created a three way tie for the top record in the NFC. The Packers, the Buccaneers, and the Cardinals are all ten and three, and right now, the Packers are the team in the driver's seat with the number one spot because of those three teams, the Packers

have the better conference record green Bay. Only two of green Bay's losses are in the NFC, the third one obviously being to Kansas City in the a f C. Both the Cardinals and the Buccaneers all three of their losses to NFC teams, so that conference record tiebreaker the Packers own it right now, which means if the green Bay Packers win out here and finished fourteen and three, they will be the number one seed with the first round by and with home field advantage, just as they

had last season. And the big reason for that the big key to that, I think is really just being able to keep that advantage over Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay is getting hot. It's it's following a very similar trajectory of last se and maybe even more so because now the ball has really been in Tom Brady's hands this year. Uh. The thing about that game last night that I was so stunned by was, Okay, you hear all these COVID editions, COVID list editions, you know, Jalen Ramsey, Tyler Higbee, which

cost me my fantasy game. Um, the fact that they still came out and did what they did to Arizona in that game was truly impressive. Cardinals, Man, I don't know if I've ever seen anything like this. They have a hard time winning at home. Yeah, it's crazy. They're seven and oh, they're seven and oh on the road, and they're three and three at home this season. It's it's a it's remarkable. Now. One of those one of

their three losses was without Kyler Murray. It was when the you know, when Colt McCoy was in as the

backup quarterback. But I'm with you, Wes, watching the watching the game against the Rams, the most surprising thing to me about that entire game was simply that the Arizona Cardinal The Rams held the Arizona Cardinals to just twenty points, and they did not have their number one cornerback in Jalen Ramsey out there to try to try to cover DeAndre Hopkins the um the Rams didn't let Hopkins go nuts and uh and as a result, and then once Matthew Stafford kind of got got going with his arm,

he made some big time throws in that game and uh and, and the Rams got on a role putting up a bunch of points and they were able to hang on. We we talk a lot, and obviously it's where we are. We talked so much about Brian Goodkin's and you know in Matt Lafleur in that relationship and being able to find the talent and develop the talent and get the talent producing what less need. And you know Sean McVeigh have done in l A is impressive.

You know they lose cam Akers earlier this season. You go into this game, it's sony Michelle and Michelle gave them a very capable performance, manageable down in distance. Matthew Stafford was as good was look solid um. You know, you saw Beckham have his best game probably so far with them. They looked dynamic and dangerous, and if they can put that together, they're gonna be a real problem for teams down the stretch. Arizona is just such an

interesting thing. They're an interesting team to watch because you see a game like that where they can't run the ball at all. They don't have Chase Edmonds back yet and it's all in Kyler Murray's hands, and Kyler Murray is an exceptional player, but there were just elements of that game where, even when they were kind of making that run late, you're just like, I just think the Rams are too balanced. And here they are now three teams that ten and three the Packers with that conference advantage.

To have the number one seed right now, you have to defend that territory. Yeah. Well, the Rams with two big interceptions of Murray in that game, one that took a potential touchdown off the board, another one that's set up a touchdown for Matthew Stafford, and that offense, those

two turnovers were really the difference in the game. And now, even though the Cardinals still have a one game lead on the Rams in the NFC West, that division is completely up for grabs because the Cardinals still have to play the Cowboys, they still have to play the Colts, which is a team that's coming on strong. The Rams, by no means have an easy schedule or anything like that, but the fact that now they've gotten the split with the Cardinals, they've split their two games with them one

on one, they're sitting one game back. I'm sure they feel pretty confident they could the Rams could catch could catch the Cardinals and then and then make a push for a for a high seed in the playoffs as well. And then you've got the forty Niners just kind of sitting in the back seat waiting for this thing to see how it all plays out. I mean, the playoffs start today, the forty Niners are the sixth seat. I mean that that division is really going to be interesting

to watch, and from Green Bay. In Tampa Bay's perspective, Green Bay has a little bit more tough for competition based on those matchups with the a f C. But really those two teams just got to kind of take care of business within their division here, you know, and they're gonna be able to have a real significant chance at that by. I said this last night after the game, Mike, I mean, buckle up. You know. The NFC race here is gonna be down to the wire. It's gonna be

fun to watch. Yeah, no question about it. One last thought here quickly before we go. Packers fans, if you're looking for holiday gift ideas, Team and Story and Cliff Crystals book, The Greatest Story in Sports, is now available at the Packers Pro Shop. The four volume hardcover book tells the book set excuse me. He tells the true complete story of the Packers first century, from humble beginnings to heartbreaks and triumph. Buy your copy online or in

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we do have to go. We'll sign off here on this edition of Packers Unscrewed, but be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.