(If Loving Cookie's Is Wrong) We Don’t Want To Be Right ft. Leanne Ellington

got Lisa and a guest. Some episodes you got me and Lisa. Some episodes you got me and a guest. So that is what is going down today. And I had the privilege of meeting Leanne a year ago she did my Four Things with Amy Brown podcast, and I just had such a great time with you and just really appreciated all of your wisdom and insight. And I know that you have your own disordered eating past and story, so I want you to just recap that for people quickly.

Maybe they heard you on my Four Things podcast, or maybe this is totally all brand new to them, but I know a lot of people are listening to Outweigh because they have been in a similar place as you or maybe me, or they've dealt with food embody image issues, or maybe they're trying to learn more about it because they have a friend or a family member that is going through that. And then after Leanne shares her story, we're going to get into things that you can do

to pull yourself out of a negative rut. This is Leanne's specialty. Sometimes we can get into a vicious cycle in our head and we've created all these pathways that are telling us things about our our body and food that are super negative. So we're gonna talk through it with Leanne and she's going to give us some tools and ways to break those bad habits inside our brains. So welcome lean Thank you, thanking to be back. So we've got to be here. Yeah, thanks for being here

with us, uh and joining us for Outweigh. And what's your quick story of you know how you got to where you are, which is on the other side, and and just offering that hope to people that that can happen. Yeah. The cliff notes version is, you know, I was a sedentary, overweight, unhealthy kid turned into teenager adult, and you know, brought it with me into adulthood. And my first weight Watchers meeting was when I was in third grade. So from a very young age, food became this very personal thing,

and my self image and body image followed suit. And so I carried that with me into adulthood. And in my twenties, I kind of got to that point where I had one of my first enough is enough points, and I got to, you know, said, you know, something's got to give, and I went down the road of what was available to me to lose weight, and I

lost close to a hundred pounds. And again I didn't know what I didn't know, and so I was using the whole eat less, move more, harder, faster, more, what I call the diet mentality of you know, control way, measure, restrict obsess Carbs are bad, fats are bad, fats are good, carbs are good, depending on what decade it was at the time, but all of it gave this obsession over food, obsession over my body, not to mention this kind of disordered relationship with my body, what I saw in the mirror.

All of that, but again I didn't know what I didn't know and after I lost a significant amount of weight, I wanted to help other women. So I got into the fitness industry, and my fitness business kind of blew up because everyone resonated with I was I was kind of playing the whole fat girl to fit girl angle at the time, or those are the words I was using and or other people were using about me, and you know it, it really blew up. And all of a sudden, I became this authority to other people about

how to lose weight. And again I was teaching the diet mentality. And you know, it came to a head when I had kind of a quarter life crisis where I realized that what I was doing to myself was so unhealthy. It was the opposite of health. It was the opposite of happiness. Because at the height of you know, when I looked like what I always wanted to look like since I was a little girl, I was miserable.

My my self image was, you know, full of self rejection and isolation and and shame, so much shame, not to mention, I was in this food prison where I knew that if I stopped tracking or counting or weighing or measuring, or if I stopped working out like I didn't have a handle on it. A lot of it came to a head and what I now call my cost of skinny, which was major spine surgery. I didn't

listen to my body. I kept trying to out exercise my food struggles, and I majorly hurt myself not to mention what I now call my fat head, where even though I looked a certain way, the self image and the goggles that I were seeing myself through, I still saw myself as fat. Fat became a feeling, even though it's not a feeling, and you know, that cycle progress. Until I had this enough is enough moment, people thought I was crazy. I shut down a very successful fitness

empire at the time. You know, I was on TV, I was in magazines, I was on IDEO, I was a CNN like corporate wellness programs, you name it. And I just walked away from it all because I knew I had healing that needed to be done and that I was called to something higher and bigger. I went and healed my relationship with food, healed my relationship with with my body, and really started taking a self image approach because I knew that what I was seeing was

not how I was feeling, and vice versa. And you know that was about ten years ago or nine years ago that I closed my my fitness studio and stepped

into what I'm doing now. And now what I do is I help women that are stuck in that diet obsession or food craziness or feeling crazy around food really healed that relationship with themselves, heal their relationship with food and their bodies by taking really a neuroscience and brain based approach and a self image and identity approach to really heal it, not just put band aids on it, not you know, patch it up and and try to outdiet the problem, but really address it from the root

and find a lifelong, forever solution. I feel like nine years ago, I mean that you're out of where I was. I feel like, uh, and I know you're not on Instagram a lot, But for me, that's where I learned about this whole anti diet world and that there was this big movement happening and there was another way because for so long, diets were just so acceptable. I mean, shoot, you were taken to a weight Watchers meeting at ten years old, like that was normal. Because it was. I mean,

it wasn't our mom's they diet it. It was it wasn't even like it was a thing. It's like, oh, yeah, of course, we're just gonna track what we eat, count these points. It's fine, Like that was normal. Yeah, and yeah, you're right, this conversation wasn't being had. You know, a lot of people in my life thought I was kind of crazy for going out and having these conversations. I had my coach that I was was helping me build

my fitness business. I remember him saying like, Lea, nobody's going to buy mindset, nobody is going to buy emotional health like they'll buy weight loss. And I'm like, well, I'm gonna go find the people that need help emotionally. And it's not about that. It's not about business anymore. This is about This is a soul game now, Okay, So a diet and weight loss industry I think is seventy one billion dollars. I just googled it while you

were talking. That is crazy, I mean, and so a lot of people have followed that because yes, that's where the money is. But then when you look at you know the damage that has been done because of all of said diets out there, and I have definitely tried my fair share of them. I just want to want people to know that there is another way. Maybe there's is your first time listening to Outweigh and you're hearing anti diet culture. Maybe you're not on Instagram or you're

not following the right people. I mean, I feel like sometimes you can get inundated with different kinds of accounts depending on who you follow, and then you see and you think that that's the norm. But then once I started to really follow specific accounts that we're going to help educate me and actually help me unlearn, like I was learning a lot but also having to un learn

a lot of things. Um, it was just super helpful for me and it allowed me to kind of clear out junk that I was receiving and had been receiving for so many years. Yeah from family and friends too. So yeah, good for you for being way ahead of the curve and you know, not just chasing where the money was. Thank you. Yeah, It's it's true, Like that whole weight loss mentality, it became the authority where people thought that it was true. And having this awareness that

there is another way. I mean, that in itself. The women I talked to, just knowing there is a better path, even if they haven't started down it yet, just knowing that it's out there. It gives hope to the hopeless. Yeah. Oh, and I love the whole hope thing, because that is what we like to offer here, is that there is that that hope that there is another way. And so what do you have for us when it comes to our mindset and when we are stuck in a negative run?

And I'm sure a lot of our listeners they have been putting in the work. I know that some days. I know I put in the work, but I have unhealthy days that pop up where my brain is just going back to old patterns because that's what it's used to. So what do you have for us? Or maybe for some people this is completely new, or like others like me, they just get stuck in a rut some days. Absolutely, Yeah,

I think the biggest thing. I mean, if I could go back and tell myself something ten years ago, it would just be to give awareness of what's going on and help me understand why I do what I do? Why am I having this cause and effect relationship with myself? Because the reality is back in the day, I just thought I was crazy. I thought that I was the abnormal one and that I was the only one struggling

with this. So, you know, even just outside of the mindset scope, just telling anybody's listening, you know, the whole disordered eating struggle and really suffering that comes alongside it. Nobody knows how how dark it can be and how

much shame there is. And so just helping women understand that they are not alone and that this is something that there isn't a solution to and they don't have to live like this, and that they don't have to be a shame because it is, like you just said, there is a multiple you know, what did you say, seventy billion dollar industry that is helping enforce these habits. So knowing that like this isn't your fault, you didn't cause it. It's just a product of what you're being

influenced by. And there's a lot of influence out there that's saying Number one, you know, speaking on the topic of awareness instead of addressing the symptoms, which is really the self talk, like how do I address the cause and stop the cause of what's causing me to talk? To myself, like self rejection and self loathing and those shame shame statements. Um, I call it the drama, right, But there's two categories that I create awareness to. The first is like what's causing it? Is it because it's

the strategy that you're taking and noticing? Like? Is it because you are trying to use weapons of control like restriction and deprivation and punishing yourself with with workouts or punishing yourself by not eating right, you know, deprivation, starvation, counting, weighing, tracking, measuring that obsessive kind of mentality, just knowing that that is what's probably causing the type of self talk like why can't I stick with this? Or what's wrong with me?

Or what? You know? Why am I so great at everything else and I'm failing at Is that kind of failure self talk? The shame self talk of you know, again, what's wrong with me? Or why why can't I stick with this? The guilt why did I eat that? Why can't I stop this? You know, the hopelessness of like

is this how it's always gonna be? Just so recognizing where it shows up and knowing that, oh it's not that I'm weak, will it's not that I'm a self sabotage or it's the strategy that I'm using would cause even the most motivated and most strong minded woman to feel like they're self sabotaging and just again giving yourself compassion knowing like, wait, this isn't a me problem. This

is the strategy that I'm using. So that would be like the first category, But then the other category would be noticing, where is the narrative, like the big picture narrative of who you think you are in your life,

in your relationships. Where is that narrative causing this this drama, which is the shame, the blame, the guilt, the comparisonitis, the perfectionism, right, And is it that self image, that narrative that's causing you to think that there's something wrong with you, calling yourself words like fat or ugly or unlovable or a failure or a self sabotager. So noticing is it because I'm using the wrong strategy and that's causing me to, you know, think I am this way?

Or is it because there's a narrative that I'm telling myself that's really a lie. It's not true, but it's a lie that we picked up along the way, or we you know, somebody said it about us or we said it about ourselves, and we've been stepping into that

narrative every single day. Both of those things are transformable. So, but first takes the awareness of like, wait, what if maybe it's because I have a strategy that's not serving me a k A this disordered eating, this dysmorphic relationship with our bodies, right, or be saying no, it's this big picture narrative that I never chose, I never voted on,

and I'm not going to feed it any longer. So having that awareness, and then, you know, if you were to get nitty gritty once you see that, I call it the inner bitches, right, and it's it's those those

voices of drama. I was gonna say, I mean that's because you have a book called how to Ditch the b R. Yeah, so the you know, I call it your inner bitches, which are those those dramatic voices, the voices of shame, blame, guilt, comparisonitis, perfectionism that shows up in the self talk and body talk of any woman that does have a kind of you know, self rejecting relationship with herself and and the truth is is that for me, it's a it's a big worthiness thing, like

we don't feel worthy of giving ourselves that love. And I mean love as a noun, but also love as a verb, like how are we treating ourselves? What are we feeding ourselves? What are we putting our bodies through? Like love as a verb. When we don't feel worthy of receiving it for ourselves or giving it to ourselves, we're not going to be able to give it and receive it to and from others. So it does it's

that internal external push and pull. But really when again, the first step is that awareness of seeing when those voices are showing up and recognizing them kind of like they're external, like they're they're not us like, and being able to just say that is I. I distinguish it the data versus the drama. Right, So using an example of a chocolate chip cookie, because we know I love chocolate chip cookies. You know, the data is I ate a cookie. The drama is that was bad, that was wrong,

that was fattening. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna gain so much weight. All of the things, the story, the meaning, the identification, eat the whole box, of chocolate chip cookies because I'm never going to eat them again, exactly. I had to add that because it's very relevant. But everything else,

the data is I ate a cookie. And so it's never the circumstance or the data that causes us to feel bad, to feel those air quotes negative emotions that the shame, the sadness, the guilt, the fear that the self hate, all that, it's our thoughts about that circumstance. And so when we separate the actual circumstance as data from the drama a k a. Our thoughts that we're

creating about it, everything transforms. Same thing with your body, right A lot of people I talked to a lot of women, they think that their body is a problem. And one of the thoughts that I work on a lot with my clients is like, your body is your body. It's your thoughts about your body that are causing you to feel a certain way and then act a certain way.

And there's this cascade. So you know, while your body is your body as it is right now, right this acceptance conversation like accepting the data of this is my body right now, what are the thoughts that I can shift right now? Because the reality is is right. The second, I can't change the shape, body composition of my body, but I can change my thoughts, which will then change my feelings, which will then affect my behaviors and actions, which will then end up changing the result of how

I feel about my body. But again, this is all in the context of, first we have to take radical ownership of like, you know what, getting to that point where we get so sick and tired of treating ourselves with such self hate and disrespect that we draw that line in the sand and we say enough is enough. I'm not going to do this to myself anymore, you know. So that's a bigger conversation. But I think that's actually

the first conversation that has to happen. That's the big macro of all the micro stuff I just talked about, which is like really having that enough is enough point, not like a lot of women I think experienced that enough is enough point of like, Okay, I gotta do something, I gotta lose weight, and that's where they go towards

that restriction disordered mentality. Right, But what if the new line in the sand was like, no, I am done treating myself like gum on the bottom of my shoe, and that has to shift my thoughts, my beliefs, my behaviors that are causing me to think and act and feel and behave like there's something wrong with me. What if that's what we spent seventy billion dollars transforming in this world. Oh my gosh, like that would be amazing.

I feel like I've been on a fast track in a new direction, but I constantly get kind of bumped or derailed in a sense because well, some old patterns pop up. But I do my best to get back on track, but then the world just pounds me with all It's like it's raining all this other stuff and I can't escape it. And I know others have to feel the same way, especially when if you're in the beginning of this work. I'll just say, it's not easy, but it is so worth it. But the society certainly

doesn't do us any favors. So yeah, if we could shift that narrative like as a culture and start investing in that, that would be I'd be super grateful because it would help me out a lot totally. And I think, you know, one of the things I witnessed with I witnessed it within myself and I witness it with my clients. When you first start going down this path, I'll say this, I'll be bold and say food isn't the problem either. It's our thoughts about food that are the problem. Right.

You want to change your brain, You change the trajectory of your thoughts. That is how you rewire your brain.

This concept of rewiring your brain is very in vogue right now, but it's a lot of like positive thinking and fake fake it till you make it, and think your way positive, and that doesn't work because thinking your way positive, you know, say like this is the last time I'm gonna do this, or you know, I really love my body, when in reality, your subconscious mind or yourself image is saying no, you don't really love your body.

You're basically calling bs on yourself. Right, and positive thinking will last for a little while, but it doesn't change the brain when you go down this road of really transforming the brain, really changing the way that you process thoughts and the way that you create thoughts. Um. What I noticed with myself and what I noticed with my clients is first they go through a phase of kind of anger of like oh my gosh, how did I buy into these lies? Like how did I get bamboozled,

you know, by this diet culture? And then it's slowly as they learn compassion for themselves, its shifts to compassion, you know. So I have questions all the time of like, hey, I went out to do with my girlfriends and they're sitting there and they're obsessing over how many calories is in the saladdressing, And part of what I invite them to do is just like, first of all, be grateful of like, hey, I'm so grateful I'm not playing that

game anymore. Like this is just no longer the conversations that I'm entertaining, right, but also extend them compassion because they don't know what they don't know, and they're on their own journey and just like you had to figure out, like, this is not the road I want to go down anymore. These are not the conversations I want to entertain. They

have to to and it's transformative. Okay, So I want to dig a little deeper into this dinner scenario because some people might find themselves in this position where they're out with friends and someone's talking about a diet, and yeah, it's like, oh you blah blah, I don't want to hear I don't want to hear I don't want to hear it. But you also don't want to be rude or project your ways like you're high and mighty and

you need to be more like me. So is it just that you keep it internal and just make sure you send the message to your brain like, M not gonna get into this conversation, and it's fine that I'm not this way, and then again, have the compassion, like is that where you would recommend we end it. It's

a great question, and it's an interesting conversation. But one of the things I teach my clients is just kind of not to add fuel to the fire, you know, and to really be a model of what they are embodying rather than speaking it and trying to preach it.

I can't teach you balance when you're if you're learning how to ride a bike, Like I can't teach you how to ride a bike, Like I can talk to you about balance, and I can talk to you about riding a bike, but like you have to actually experientially learn balance, right, this whole healing process and and re establishing a new relationship with food, Like, you can't give it to somebody, You can't force it on somebody. They have to like find their own path and come to

the awareness that like they want it. But when you're in those situations, like one of the easiest things to do is, like I said, not entertaining those conversations and just if somebody's like, oh my gosh, like this is

so fattening, like what are you going to order? You know, one of the things that I invite my clients to say is something alonglines of, like, you know what, I'm trying on this whole new thing where I'm just listening to my body and I'm listening to what my hunger is telling me right now, or I'm just listening to more intuitive cues and I'm not playing the whole judge myself around food game like I used to or whatever that version of them that is for them, right Because

if I'm speaking about my relationship with food, it's not offensive to anybody else. It's my own perception of my views. Like, hey, this is what I struggled with. I really was struggling in that game of judging myself and shaming myself and obsessing over what I was eating and now I'm playing this new game. I'm trying on this new thing where I'm really making peace with food, I'm really making with my body, and I'm just entertaining new conversations and just

being a stand for what you believe in. And I'm not preaching to you. I'm not telling you you should try it. I'm just saying this is who I am now, this is how I'm choosing to show up now. I like that showing by example. And it's if they end up getting offended by you sharing your new ways about it, that's your story and you're talking about you, then that's awesome, not on you, and that's not for you to worry about. But oftentimes we can get wrapped around what other people

are going to think. And if you've done it in a very gentle, respectful kind way, I like the way you threw that out there as an as an example of how to handle it, because it's like, hey, you know what, I don't know. If someone else is freaking out what they're gonna order, you're gonna show like, actually, I'm not freaking out about it. I might get the burger tonight, I might get the salad. Don't know yet, yeah, exactly, and when you are able to hold that space for yourself.

And and again, all I can do is influence how compassionately and intentionally I communicate something to somebody and how they receive it. That again, that's not on me, you know. But again you're really just showing and kind of leading by example. And if they want to ask questions about what that is, then you can invite them into a conversation. But this kind of conversation is not one that needs to be pushed on anyone. You're not persuading anybody, which

I mean think about diet culture. It's like, hey you should try this key too. I'm doing no carb or whatever it is. And like it's very kind of like almost forceful sometimes, right because it's in vogue, and it's like almost like trying to build a community if I want other people to do it with me. And it's like what I say is I'm like, what you eat it is none of my business. Right, It's a personal

it's a personal relationship, you know. Yeah, I think that that's an important thing to to make a note of. It is commenting on what someone is eating or how much they have eaten like is that all you're gonna eat? Or oh my gosh, did you eat all that? Little comments like that are not necessary, but again sometimes just come out as like not harmful, but can be extremely

detrimental to somebody. Absolutely, And it's the same thing people like, oh, you look like you've lost weight or you look whatever, you look great, and thanks, I've just been really focusing on taking care of myself lately, you know, not like oh I've been trying this new diet craze or whatever.

Like received the compliment with grace, you know, but again kind of redirect the conversation, so it's not going towards what you're eating or how much you're working out across fit or whatever it is, right, it's about like, hey, I'm really just taking this new approach. I'm I'm working

on the inner game now. Yeah, And I think to something we try to encourage your two is not complimenting someone on their body or their looks, or or their workout or anything like that, because you never know what's really going on inside. And so but yeah, if you're receiving a compliment like that, you can't help what someone else says to you. But there that is an interesting way to like not feed into the compliment but redirect it. But yeah, just another reminder too of like it's so

it's so hard. I mean, I've I've caught myself doing it, and I now know better. But sometimes I see someone I'm like, oh my gosh, she looks so good, like it just naturally comes out. Have you been working out right? And then I'm like, oh, why did I just say that? And we're not the it's not a game of perfection. We're learning to, you know. And you know, one of the things I noticed I since I started doing this work,

I'm like, I noticed when people look happier. I'm like, wow, you look you're glowing right now, what's what's new with you? Instead of saying, hey, you look really good right now, or like, you look like you've lost weight, like, and it engages them in conversation, you know, even just when somebody's going through a tough time, like even just helping them focus on what is good, because we forget about that too, you know. Lisa and I like to use

radiant love. If someone is looking radiant or you're getting that vibe from them that that's like a could be a really good way to compliment someone, and so I want you the listener, if you are in an a negative thought pattern with yourself. I know we kind of detoured talking about hypothetical dinner scenario where you might be in a situation if diet talk comes up. But let's circle back before we close up with the negative talk

to yourself. I want to end with that again. Just want to encourage you to, you know, think a about what you would say to a best friend or a loved one, or a daughter or a son. And I've had friends remind me of this if they've heard me talking negatively about myself and they're like, hey, come on, why do you keep saying that to yourself? You know, it's just it's just a good reminder of like filtering through, Like why am I okay with saying this to myself

if I wouldn't say it to somebody else that I loved? Absolutely, And it's just raising the bar on yourself and raising the bar on how you're willing to treat yourself. You know, we pride ourselves and how we treat our friends, and you know, follow through on promises that we make to

our friends. It's like, what if we started really flipping that script and raising the bar on how we treat ourselves and raising the bar on again, you know, coming back to the food and body conversation, like you know now that you have the awareness or if you're kind of stepping into the awareness that maybe this whole you know, restricting and counting and weighing and measuring conversation isn't actually serving me or isn't actually healthy for me, you know.

And I find with most women that I talked to, it moves them in the opposite direction of health and the opposite direction of happiness. And to boot, it's not even helping them lose weight, you know, it's sending them on that updown all all or nothing on off, you know, trajectory.

But what if you raise the bar on your willingness to treat yourself like something that needs to be perfected and starved and controlled and restricted and punished and just started looking for another path Because just like we talked about, that new path is a lot more readily available than it was ten years ago, like so much so, there are so many resources out there. I mean, that's why

I love co hosting this podcast with Lisa. How I found her was on Instagram and I did her program for the Noise, and I thought that that was so clever because I was like, oh, okay, yeah, she's literally wanting to shut down the noise in my brain. And I love that you're in the same field and that I met you through our friend Laura Lee Balance, who's a holistic chef and has amazing cookbooks and definitely people

should check out her recipes. But I know on your website, Leanne Ellington dot com you have info, and then I know you have another link that might be more helpful

to your webinar. Yeah, So for anyone who's really interested in just exploring this conversation and want wants to look at the nuts and bolts of like what does it look like to bring this new way of thinking to life, I've created a webinar called Stressless Eating, so really stressing less about food, but stressing less in your head, your heart, your mind, your body, your brain, all of it stress less eating dot Com, where I've laid out the five step game plan that I teach all of my female

clients to really just eradicate self sabotage and that all or nothing diet mentality, so you can just heal your relationship with food and and be done with it and spend your time and energy, heart and soul and the things you really want to be spending it on. So Stressless Eating dot com. You can get access to that free webinar anytime. Well, I appreciate you coming on to chat with me. You have been an inspiration to me for sure, ever since you know, I was introduced to

you last year. So very ful for women out there that are really dedicated and have made it their life's passion and are working with others to really help break this, break the cycle that we have all been this ride. We've been taken on a ride, and I feel like y'all, y'all are helping, you know, helping us escape the ride. Yeah, I love how you put that. That roller coaster. There's an exit plan, all right, awesome, So y'all check her out Leanne Ellington dot com and that'll get you links

to everything. Okay, Well, I'll say your website one more time, lean Ellington dot com and wait quickly before you go. I did want you to touch on this second ago. So now we'll circle back an end with it. But self sabotage just came to me, can you just clarify what that is, because I think sometimes people do wonder, like, wait, what, what exactly is self sabotage? Yeah? I think you know,

self sabotage to me is a myth right. And what happens is we witness ourselves time and time again saying we're going to do something, not following through, not having the discipline and the will power, and we we give up or we you know, air quotes fail and we think that there's something wrong with us, or that we're self sabotaging. And I don't believe that any woman actually says, like,

you know what, I'm going to actually sabotage myself. What happens is our nervous system, our mind, our brain, our body, our spirit. It gets so weighed down by with what I call the weight of the weight that it has no choice. It gets overwhelmed, like we have very limited amounts of willpower at our access right, and we run

out of it. And so when we set ourselves up for a game where we are reliant on willpower, where we're playing the game of control, restriction, deprivation, counting, weighing, measuring, obsessing, that that whole game of the disordered eating. We have no choice but to rely on our very limited stores of willpower. And once they're gone, they're gone. And it's again we have fired and wired coping mechanisms in our brain.

So if you're fired and wired to reach for sugar, or maybe you're fired and wired to them out on Netflix, or you know, mindlessly scroll on Instagram, whatever it is, this is not a mind thing. You can't outmindset it. It's a brain thing. Your brain is fired and wired to reach for it when you can't possibly withstand that what I call losing game, like a losing game, meaning it's a game that you don't want to win because it's no fun and you really can't win, like you're

not set up for success. So that's where the self sabotage comes in. When that happens, we paint a story that there's something wrong with us, that we're doing this, that we're the problem, and we are inadvertently the problem, but we're the solution. Like I said before, it's a strategy problem. It's not an us problem. It's we're playing a losing game that we can't win. Not even the most willpower driven motivated woman could I love that right there.

We are the solution again. It's going to take some effort, but it is possible and we can do it. Absolutely. It's got to be a paradigm shift. You know, show is noticing that the path we're going down is never going to get us the freedom because really women don't want weight loss. They want the freedom and the permission and the and the choice and the self love that they think they'll feel when they attain that way lost.

But you know what if you started at freedom and happiness and health and self love and brought that with you into the food and body conversation, that would change the paradigm and not have to then you you're free from having to conform to what society says you're supposed to. Absolutely, like, yeah, we could talk all day, I think so. Lianne, thank you so much for coming on and outweigh fan, thank you so much for listening. We will see you next Saturday.