Judgemental Mummy Bloggers, Celeb Spellcheck's Shameless Coverage & Chloe and Mitch Buy A House

That is so fat, thank you. There's a rather somber mood in the room at the moment because we've all just discovered that we're old and basically have hated So for those who don't know what we're talking about, there is a meme that's gone viral today and it's depicting a twenty eight year old who's basically not cool anymore because she's wearing skinny jeans that are ripped and she's got a side part. Yeah, so the meme says anatomy

of an old person. Aging millennials are characterized by their love of things like side parts, skinny jeans, wine, and the laughing cry emoji. Many millennials like this one in a state of discomfort regarding their proximity to middle aged I personally feel victimized by this because I have somewhat of a side part. I wear skinny jeans and I use that crying with laughter emoji. What are the time?

What do we meant to use besides that, you're actually supposed to apparently use the skeleton emoji, and it was a skull the skull, sorry, the skull, like they don't even know which one it is? Is that because you meant to be like dead like laughter? Is that? Yes?

Oh my gosh. I'm really confused about the gene thing because I do remember going through a stage where flares were in briefly and then it was like the low rise skinny jeans and now it's like the high waisted and I thought they were still in fashion because I do know the baggiar gene is also an option. But

apparently zoomers are laughing at US millennials for wearing skinny jeans. Well, I did kind of pick up on a few influencers who were in there who were about eighteen, early twenties, and they were wearing the wide leg jeans and I was like, oh, that must be a thing now, But as you said, I didn't realize it's skinny jean were out completely. Actually, now that you mention it, a young girl at my work, she's always wearing baggier jeans, and like, to be honest, I'm all about that, like if it's

more comfortable. However, those new sort of rigid mum jeans, they're bloody uncomfortable. They are. Can I just say though? Men don't understand that that's fashion because they actually look terrible on people. I feel like they're really unflattering. So they're laughing at us millennials now, but I feel like when they're looking back at the photo albums or on Instagram or whatever, they're gonna feel pretty stupid wearing those big,

baggy jeans. Well, I feel like with fashion, you've kind of got to go with what looks good on you, Like you've got to have a traditional thing. And I think skinny jeans are always going to be traditionally in fashion, Like you can't really go wrong with them. Well, they're more flattering, aren't they. I mean when you wear those baggy pants, there's always a weird ass, kind of a

big ass. Yeah, it's got a big ass. Like I bought some boyfriend jeans the other day, and my boyfriend jeans, know they I don't know, they're actually mum jeans are not boyfriend jean jeans anyway, and Brandon hates them like he's, oh yeah, to wear them, your skinny jeans look so much nicer. Oh wow, I actually liked them. I think

they did look good, but were they uncomfortable? They are uncomfortable the crutch there's this weird kind of like the material is really hard or something, or too high or it just made me feel really old reading all of this, because I feel like it doesn't seem that long ago when we were in our twenties, and I don't feel like that there was this big focus on our generation paying out the generation before us. I guess seems quite mean.

Some of the tweets so Mum and Mea did an article about it, and some of the tweets like apparently we're not even allowed to like Harry Potter or refer to Harry Potter anymore. I think they're joking. Oh that being said, I feel like we do tear down boomers a lot, So yeah, that is true. The thing that I found funny was the side part, because for years I always wore a side part, and a couple of the girls I used to work with or were trying to tell me that I should wear a middle part

because it would make me look older. Is my part still side or yeah, it's a bit of a side. Is now I'm gonna have to start putting in the middle. I think all of us millenniums have to fight back. Let's save our skinny jeans. Let's start a petition or something. Let's get something going in the group. I'll still be wearing mine. But do you know what, it's quite an effort to wear skinny jeans at the moment after COVID and everything. I just get around in leggings. Was that a sight that?

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over fifty thousand followers on Instagram. She's actually a former political journalist, which I found really interesting, particularly as we delve deeper into this story. And appearance wise, she's bloody. Kylie Minogue's twin Kylie Minogue is definitely her doppelganger. It's

actually quite freaky. Well, so what has pissed people off? Yeah? Well, Laurence actually shared a series of sponsored posts on her Instagram story where she's given the does and don'ts for what mum should wear on school pickup and it had a really weird, kind of mean girl vibe to it. Why did she think that that was a good idea? Because I feel like anything she put up would have

offended mums. Yeah, particularly when it seems like her dos and donts weren't very relatable because for me, yes, I'm not a mum, but I imagine I would be rocking up in my trackie decks possibly pajamas at school drop offs. Yeah. I feel like she did try to make it relatable by talking about how it is something that she's felt really stressed over in the past, and she's actually invested a lot of time apparently in researching what is an

appropriate school pick up outfit, so she feels stressed. Yet then she wants to shame other mums into buying expensive clothing brands, like the brand that's paying her to promote her clothes. That sounds fair. Yeah, would you guys want to hear some of her tips? I definitely do well. One of her the first tip is that mum should wear casual but presentable outfits so it does appear as though they put a small amount of energy into the outfit. Oh my gosh, this is my least favorite dress code.

I really stress when someone says the dress code is like smart casual, because what does that even mean? Like for a guy, they can wear like chinos and a nice top or something, but for girls. It's like, well, we already discussed how you know how controversial jeans are at the moment, I wouldn't even know what smart casual was. Yeah, it's hilarious. So can you imagine men being like this is the guide of what dads should wear? Give a shit? Well.

The thing that I found really disgusting about this comment was though, that she said that in dressing in this way, it'll allow parents to know that you're not living in a dumpster. Wow gosh, wait, so if you don't dress smart casual, apparently you're living in a jumpster. That is so ridiculous because I really don't think people's clothes are

reflective of how clean or messy the house is. I mean, we always roat Sophie for being a little bit messy around the house when she was living with us, and no one wonld be able to tell that was the case because she presents in a pristine fashion, like, if anything, Amy and I are the ones that did rock up to her pr company's launching tracksuits. You know what, though, maybe it's because people who dress in a daggy away. Maybe it's because they spent more time on their house,

like getting that ready. Yeah, because I feel like with active wear, it's now like a very productive outfit. You know, you can clean your house, you can go out and run errands, You're not necessarily exercising. Can I just say though? With covid as well, I don'tink anyone's going dressed in smart casual these days, so it seems like a really

ridiculous time to put something out like this. Well that's the fain thing because I find the brand alignment with Pedal and Pup, who is a brand that Lauren was promoting. I find that strange because you would have thought promoting what parents should wear to pick up their kids from school would actually more align with a loungewear company or someone selling dress. Well, I actually have seen a lot

of mummy bloggers promoting Pedal and Pup. I first saw it pop up with an Adelaide influencer, and I was really surprised because she did look incredibly dressed up just to be around the house. I would have thought Pedal and Pup would be more that younger, like twenty somethings. I mean, maybe they've captured that audience and are looking to branch out into thirty somethings. Well, yeah. Well some of these outfits, though, I've got to go into them.

They were absolutely ludicrous to be wearing on school pickup. There was this pink, really tight figure hugging dress that is just so illogical to be wearing. How are you dealing with kids in that dress? That to me is so ridiculous because you know you've got to pick up your kids, You've got to hold their backpack, and that just is so impractical. All the other items were this

like spotty jumpsuit and a pink Maxi dress. It's like if I was a mother and I saw someone rocking up in that, I would think you have too much time on your hands. Look, I think the maxi dress is okay. The jumpsuit sounds weird. What about the moms that have come from work, because, like you know, you might be wearing a uniform. That is where there is

a bit of a distinction. I think in her rules it's acceptable to come in your work gear, but if you are a stay at home mum, you should make a bit more of an effort just coming to get them. So just come in your ball gown apparently, so it's very like Stepford wife that you've got the time that you know, that's a big outing for you to pick your kid up from school. Well, the thing I find quite contentious is she did touch on the fact that she has never ever worn pajamas to school drop off.

And I think that a lot of mum should have a badge Vinyl when they rock up in their pajamas, like, good on them. Can I just play Devil's Advocate? Do you think that she was taking the piss a bit with this post and people have taken it too seriously? I just I don't think so. I think she's just totally missed the mark. I feel like it came across

as totally condescending and very mum shaming. I do feel like with this whole Instagram trend of sharing, like mum sharing their lives on Instagram, that there is this pursuit of perfection because we see a lot of mummy bloggers sharing their fancy pantries and they're perfected or sorry it's fancy pants, no fancy pantries and all this sort of

amazing organizational stuff that they're doing at home. But I feel like this is kind of an extension of that Stepford wife profile of that they also look perfect It's really strange to me because I'd never thought there would be this sort of toxic vibe around mummy bloggers, Like it just seems to be this weird community where everyone's at each other's throat. Yeah. I suppose we're becoming more aware of these women because we are in our thirties now and the people that we follow in the pages

we follow are changing. But I mean, at the end of the day, they're women, Like I'm sorry, but as you get older, you realize that even when you're in your thirties, you're not past bitchy out of behavior for sure. So if you've got to run through some of the backlash though, because what has the response been from people, Well, there has been a lot of backlash about it, and has been exacerbated by Smith. Now. We have spoken about

her on the podcast before. She is a single mum who uses her platform to basically hold other mummy bloggers to a count. She is also a feminist and she's trying to smash down the patriarchy. I love her. She is a bit of a shit stirr, but she keeps things interesting and just for context s. Milth doesn't actually like to use her name so it's not your name. Yes, so it's meant to be a bit of a secret

as to what her real name is. Well, that was before another mummy blogger, Sarah Kurns, decided to publicly name her. But we discussed that on an earlier podcast, so we won't get into that. But basically, it seems like there's this big group of mummy bloggers that are very against SMLK and so Sophie, what did Smith do? Well, she alleged them Well, she has been accused of screenshotting these

stories and sending them into the Daily Mail. Now she denies this, but Lauren has been saying that she she's pretty sure that Smilth has done this because Lauren called smelf out on her Instagram stories, didn't she? The thing is, I don't actually think Smelth would have done it because the Daily Mail are always trawling Instagram for stories and all the story really was was saying what exactly had gone down on an Insta story and then people reactions

in the comments. Yeah, and why would smelve contact a Daily Mail journalists Because, not to be rude, but they're not that trust Wheth. They could then completely turn the story on smelf and make it this mummy war, which has actually turned out to be. I think it's very unfair of Lauren to name and shame SMILF when she has absolutely no proof. I mean, let's be honest. Journalists

troul through the comments of influencers. Their job is to make stories where there aren't a story, and they've obviously done a great job with this because this has gone off as someone working in PR the Daily Mail journeys are really hard to get hold of, so unless Smilve has a friend that's working there, I find it hard to believe that they would immediately print something like that. Well, as you touched on Kate, this story has just gone off.

It has appeared on Yahoo seven news dot com, even in the Daily Telegraph, and because of this huge attention, there has been a lot of hate thrown at Lauren. So she has been receiving death threats, which could is particularly troubling as a parent when you are putting your children out online like that. So I do feel for her with these sort of hateful comments that are coming here. Who are the people that has send death threats? I get being angry, but who is so angry that they're

actually threatening this woman's life. Probably people that were pajamas I'm joking. Well, I'm guessing if people are sending in death threats. The comments on her threat aren't too nice either. What have people said publicly, Well, they've slammed her for being judgmental and also a mean girl. One user wrote, who gives a fuck what you were to school drop off? If anyone is judging you, they're probably an asshole that talks about women empowering women, but in online comments body

shames others for not being a size six. I also found some comments from a school teacher particularly interesting. She said that it's a tragic way of showing off a sponsored brand by using emotional first time school mums to make a few sales. And she went into the fact that you know, it's good enough that parents are showing up, you know, to be there with their kids. They don't need this extra judgment and stress put on them. Well, just on pedal and put What do you guys think

of their involvement in the whole saga. Well, I find it interesting that they've made the decision to publicly drop Lauren from their brand, because, let's be honest, while the influencer has some say in the campaign, the brand would have had to sign off on it, so them completely just distancing themselves is pretty bad. Well, they said that they didn't support the campaign, It's like, as you said, you clearly would have signed off on this. He gave

her the clothes to wear. Also, a lot of influencers have to send in their Instagram stories that they film. It's not like they just pump an Instagram story out and press post like. There's a lot of processes that they would go through. I mean, it is interesting to see how Pedal and Pup actually use influencers moving forward, because it seems like they have been targeting mummy bloggers. But is it kind of good publicity for them because

everyone's talking about it. I mean, we're talking about Pedal and Pup on our podcast. A lot of the news articles actually didn't name Pedal and Pup. I don't know if that's because they didn't want to be named. To be honest, though, wouldn't have been a much better marketing idea to promote Pedal and Pup's clothing as something to wear out on the weekend or a girl's night not

to school. Well, I do find Lauren's response really interesting because she put up an inst story where she was like fully in tears on their you know, distraught about these death threats that she was sending through. So it did seem like she was playing the victim a little bit in this Oh this is what we see all the time now, Like you could literally paint the picture.

Its like someone gets outraged by an influence of being stupid with their platform, and then you que the tears and the Instagram story and the victim, which then Teal deleted. Oh yeah, I think that's what I don't get. If you're going to put it out of apology, put it on your bloody feed, or make it a highlight on

your store, keep it there. I mean, she didn't seem too upset because a few hours later, she took a photo of herself in a ball gown at the shot, making a joke that she's on the way to school pick up. Look see that that is actually funny, But it's not funny when you've been playing the victim about you know, two hours earlier. Yeah, but that's also not funny.

If you've apologized for being insensitive and trying to put people down, then you're kind of putting shade on the fact that you actually don't mean your apology at all. I do find it interesting that she was begging these media outlets to pull the story, and I suppose it holds a little bit more weight because she was a

former political journalist, so she knows the way these people operate. Yeah, but the way these operators, they're not going to pull the story because obviously it was getting a lot of clicks if she was getting a lot of people sending hate to her page. But do you know what, Like, obviously it's horrible getting trolled and hate towards your page, but again, it also then brings attention onto you, and the right clever influencers can actually exploit that negative attention

to be a positive. Well. Her commentary was really interesting because she said, I'll never be what you want. I can't be, I don't want to be. I'm not here for you. I'm here for my people. I have no obligation to be who you want me to be. You are not my people. And I found this comment. You know, it's pretty accurate. These influencers have such a dedicated, small community of people who love them, and their comments seem out of context when you just come into it. Yeah,

but it's not in them. That's what happens when you get bigger, because people come along and they follow your page and they don't really know you're in humor. They only follow you because you've become popular. I do find this notion of publications taking influencers comments out of context and then posting them onto a really larger platform sort

of troubling. I feel like it's quite irresponsible in a way, because they are obviously taking the most alarming comments and kind of making them bigger than they are, and then that's all some people read. Like some people just read the headline and then get irate over it. So I can see that sense that it seems a little bit unfair. But I really don't agree with Lauren's responses to the feedback.

so long. And of course the celeb spell check drama involves a number of influencers who the girls are connected to, like Steph Kleas Smith Well Olivia Rodgers was actually named in the articles as being one of these attendees at this sort of influencer function where they were talking about unmasking the celeb spell check. Yeah, and this of course was in the Sydney Confidential an article about unmasking celeb spell check and was also picked up by Pedestrian TV.

I feel like there is a trend on them only touching on topics once other media publications have done it. Oh, definitely, especially with Pedestrian, Like if it's in Pedestrian, it's going to be covered on Shameless. I thought the girls covered the topic quite well though. Yeah, I really did enjoy it. I did notice though that they didn't actually mention any of the influencers that have been called out, and I know they spoke a lot about the different content that

Celeb spell Check covers. So they spoke about obviously the kind of the spelling errors, and then they kind of got into the bitchier, meaner content I suppose, and how there has been a trend of Celeb Spellcheck targeting certain influences and one of those people that a lot of people have picked up is Steph Clett Smith, who you know, Michelle has worked to keep it cleaner before. They've had Steph on the podcast. There's clearly a relationship there. However,

they just didn't want to name any of the influencers. Yeah. Well, what I love though, is the way that they were kind of comparing their rise to selebspell checks rise. So they were touching on the fact that there is a sweet spot of the amount of followers you can have

and say whatever you like. So they said that sweet spot is around the thirty thousand mark, and now that Celeb spell Check is hit one hundred thousand, they said that they see that they have more responsibility similar to what they felt, and they said that, you know, topics that they covered in their first series, they said, we won't even touch on now because we are now so big that we can't be seen to be, you know, not bulling but calling out those people, or they kind

of said punching down because now they have a bigger platform than others. I don't know. It is a really contentious topic and an interesting one because obviously our podcast is a lot smaller than Shameless, so we can talk about influencers with our looking like we're being horrible because their platforms are a lot larger. However, it does make me feel a bit worried the fact that they kept talking about how these influencers have these big connections and

they're sort of like shutting people down. It's like, well, you know, that's the whole point of journalism. The whole point is to you know, be that voice for people, and like this would be like if you know politicians, it would be like saying, oh, we can't talk about what they're doing because they've got too many connections and

they're too important. But it felt so it's so obvious though that now they are friends with these people, they do feel uncomfortable to comment on them, and they do have more of an insight into perhaps whether these influencers are sending out legal letters or threatening people for talking about them. I don't know if that's what it was saying, but it was like a threat, wasn't it that if you comment on Australian influences and you're in the industry,

that they're going to come and shut you down. Or I mean, we found it a lot with when we talk about different influences, they will send their followers after us and it can destroy podcasts because a lot of them do leave one star review. So maybe that's what they're alluding to. Yeah, I would have just like them to acknowledge the fact that they are friends with people that have been called out on that page, because I

found the timing of this topic pretty interesting. I mean, I touched on the fact that Olivia Rodgers was apparently at this dinner where this was all discussed, and it was only a couple of weeks ago that Zara and Michelle were actually over at Olivia's house for dinner. So I feel like celeb's spellcheck would have been a really

hot topic of discussion. Do you think that part of this commentary around influencers power also comes into play in regards to sponsorship, So for Shameless in particular, do you think they felt like they couldn't target particular influencers because they were then going to try and work with similar

brands those influencers were aligned with. I don't know, because there's so many people out in this world who could sponsor your content, And do you really want to be associated with brands that might do you know, deals with influencers that you don't agree with. I mean, we certainly don't want to be Yeah, it is a hard one.

I suppose. Their discussion really made me think Michelle and Zara a little bit envious of the fact that Celebs Spellcheck is anonymous, because when you are anonymous, you can obviously say whatever you want about people. However, like with Michelle and Zara, everyone knows who they are now, so they have to be really careful about what they said. I almost felt like they were yearning for when their podcast was smaller and they could talk without having to

filter themselves. But they did seem quite concerned over the fact that Celebs Beelchick probably couldn't monetize the content at all. You could see that their brains had gone straight to that, which I thought was they had a really interesting take on it. They did or they did also raise the issue of you know what, they kind of made it sound quite negative, like what is going to happen to this woman when it is revealed who she is? Like, I don't know. I was sitting there feeling really bad

for her because it just seemed quite pessimistic. I mean, sorry, it's not the end of the day, no, but do you know what. It goes back to your point of maybe they've heard discussions going on with influences and other people who were quite powerful in Melbourne, and they're obviously irate that someone's been you know, God forbid, they get called out, and now they're planning this sort of like vendetta against this girl that they don't even know. It's

like they're setting out to destroy her. That's exactly what it sounds like. I did find the conversation around Celeb's Spellcheck and monetization interesting because Zara and Michelle were kind of saying how they're surprised that Celeb'spellcheck doesn't have a plan to make money from this platform, which I thought was quite sad because at the end of the day, there's people that actually just enjoy talking about influences or like, I do truly think that this girl made the account

up as a bit of fun. Yeah, But then again, I feel like they're drawing that conclusion because this is now taking up a lot of her time and energy, and or surely because she said herself that she doesn't like I feel like some people think that she just trowls through the accounts. She's so big now that everyone a watchdogs for her and they just send her stuff

and she literally has to post it. It's more that it was more that they were weighing up is it worth it for her career to be spoiled, you know, ruined because she is named and shamed, and is that worth it? And she's not receiving any money for it? Well, on the whole topic of celeb's spellcheck's identity, do you guys think it would ruin the whole page if we do find out who she is? Because I think some of the lure of the page is that it is

this invisible watchdog. It's kind of like Batman, you know, you don't know who it is, or it's this like godlike creature who they've done like you know, they've done no wrong, so they can cast they can be now because we don't know what they get up to because we don't know who they are. I think the only way she'll be able to monetize it is if her identity is revealed, because that's happened in the past, a

big meme sits in America. They're the people's identity have been revealed and they've become in There's no way she can monetize it because she holds influence to account and pays them out. It would have to be a situation like The Inspired Unemployed, where it was really clever. The issue is, though, that if she did want to monetize her content, she would have to provide details, her billing details, her name to actually receive payments. So there's no way

that's going to happen. It's really going to be interesting to see how this pans out because there are people out there that know celeb Spellcheck's identity. I mean, hopefully they're good enough friends that they're not going to squeal who it is, But I feel like we're Chinese whispers. It won't be long until we really do know who

who she is. The thing is, she has slid into our DMS a few times, and she seems so lovely, like I just I don't know when I was listening to that podcast, it made me feel concerned for her. But I just want to say, if you're listening Celebris Spell Jack, I think it's all going to turn out fine.

And then she put up this photo of this like Hampton style house with these huge ceilings, this white staircase, a shandily. It was this mansion of a house. Are you got sure that it just wasn't a photo from Pinterest because she was posting photos from pinterst. So she said, this is a sneak peak of the house. Yeah, I thought she was, Like, I thought she could have been like, oh, this is a sneak peak of what I wanted to

be jim of. The funny thing is she'll probably be Sarah's day and buy a house that's like completely fine and beautiful house and then rip everything else out because they need to renovate it to be perfectly with them no one. I love how that house was described as if it was like, oh, some absolute bomb where most

people just move straight in. Well, she did touch on the fact that she wouldn't be including any images of the front of the house of privacy reasons, and it did make me think about how many influencers who do share too much and could be targeted because of these sort of things. Well, we've seen a number of influencers who've actually said on their YouTube channels that they have

been robbed. Johnnie Grimman was one of those. Well, Saffron Barker didn't mind sharing a photo of the front of her house, and she's been pretty open about the Airbnb that her family is staying and during the lockdown, and I was a bit concerned, and oh, my gosh, how amazing was Sefron Barker's house. Though, I feel so jealous that these twenty year olds are moving into these mansions and being like, oh, they bought my first home. And it's a bloody ten bedroom palace. Well that's something that

someone touched on in our Facebook community. She said that she's twenty two and it just makes her feel terrible about where she is in life seeing these people, and I have to say, I'm thirty one and I'm still renting. It makes me feel like a bit of a failure. Well, Chloe must be raking it in because did you guys see she bought Mitchell this bracelet for their five year anniversary, and apparently it's worth fifteen thousand dollars. That's just obscene.

I don't know. I feel like, is that going to put people's audiences off or make people more interested? I actually I actually quite like. You know that they've bought this house. Yeah, but imagine being able to afford to buy someone a fifteen thousand dollar bracelet the same week that you're putting all your money down on a house deposit. Like it's unheard of, Like it's not realistic at all.

But I feel like the YouTube is a bit of an escapism thing, and I like to go and watch their content, So I actually am looking forward to watching their vlogs about them moving into their new house. It's hard not to be jealous, but in a way they were probably some of the influencers that I was actually genuinely happy. For a lot of other people i've been like, oh, but then they're quite nice. I think that's all we've

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