Coming up on today's show, influencer Gracie Piskapo's baby daddy charge over the alleged murder of his own mother. Beck Judd slam for charging a monthly subscription feed for exclusive Instagram content, Mikayla Tester offers up thirty thousand dollars to see ex partner Addis Paul's shared location again, and m Davies hits out at Valley Girl.
Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert, and I'm so excited because tonight I'm putting up my Christmas lights.
You're not doing that.
The day before you're engagement party, are you.
Well, of course I am, because I want everyone to see them. Oh my god.
Amy sitting here before we started recording, stressing like I've got so much to do, and I'm like, please, don't do things that aren't necessary. Look when you see them on Saturday, it's gonna look amazing. I have a bone to pick though, with the stores that are selling Christmas lights at the moment. I want gold lights. They're labeled as warm white. I went, I got some lights they're friggin' white.
They are not gold. I don't like them as well. Gold should be just gold. White should be white. Why is that so difficult?
One k Torbert and I was feeling a strange sense of pride and shock on the weekend when my partner pulled out the worm on the dance floor for his.
Brother's birthday party.
We need to give context because this was a dancer's birthday party, so there was a lot of amazing dances on the dance floor and the song that was playing was Pony, so it was a bit of a stripped stripper move. I feel like, yeah, so Reese's brother, Ryan, as you said, is a professional dancer. His friend Ricky was also there that's a professional dancer, and they were getting ready to have a bit of a dance off. However, Reese ran in and just shocked everyone by doing the worm.
I feel like we need to almost share the video dance the story. Is this going to be an indication of what your wedding dance is going to be?
Like, oh my god. It was put a bit of pressure on me. I was thinking about that. Have you guys started planning a special dance?
Yes, we have got the song picked out, but we haven't actually started doing any rehearsals or anything.
I think it was a few weeks out.
Do we get a sneak peak of what the song is is?
Oh, let's just keep it under wrapped for now.
Well, I'm Saphie to Albert, and I felt like I went on a very nostalgic trip down memory lane because I came across this meme and it was of a toy called a sky Dancer. So it's one of those toys you pull the lever and this little doll sort of spins.
In the air.
You need to have.
It's a string, a string, yeah them, Yeah. And I put a call out to Instagram asking listeners what their favorite nineties toys were, and I'd forgotten so many. So one of my favorites that I've forgotten about is Tipsy Tail, and.
You pulled the ponytail through.
Yeah.
And then there was Katie Kiss, which.
You got Tipsy Tail for our sixth birth day and I got Katie Kiss and I got the other one that I really want to bring back is a Tamagotchi. I mean, I don't have enough things to look after, but Tamagotchi's you can buy them at the moment.
Okay, I've got to get one. And what about the digimons as well? And the poll pocket?
Oh yeah, do you remember they had that Pika chew. It was a bit like a tamagotchi except to have pokey. Yeah, and he had to walk in order to get coin, So there was this incentive to exercise, but it was only to gamble.
You could also just shake it, yeah, which is why.
I saw on Etsy they're selling a lot of these old games, and someone's trying to sell the Ferby for a couple of hundred dollars. I got a Ferbie on Facebook Marketplace and flipped it and sold it for a lot. Really, they are in high demand. I remember they were so expensive when they first came out, and I thought it was so cool because that cousin had her twenty first and she got given a Ferbie.
So people want to know what they get when they subscribe to me. I think it's all so new, like I've literally just enabled it today.
I just saw it come up on my Instagram that I was eligible.
Beck Jad has put herself forward as a guinea pig for Instagram's latest feature, in a bid to compete with only fans and sunroom. Instagram is rolling out a subscription based program for its top creators. Okay, how has this decision gone for Beck? Well?
Not great.
People have labeled it as a cash grab and said that she's out of touch, and a lot of the commentary seemed to center around the fact that Beck already earns lot of money through paid partnerships.
So why does she need more money?
Now? There's a lot to unpack there. But why I think that she pissed off so many people is that she launched the subscriptions with the story asking followers to tell her what they wanted to receive as a paid subscriber. I don't think that was very step. You're but Kate,
We've got to remember she is huge on Instagram. Yes, she might not be sharing about her life in the way that other influencers do by giving them an all access pass, but I think that people are going to be very interested in that, even if she doesn't know exactly what she's giving. The thing is, though, Sophie, a lot of people are interested in following along with people's lives when it's for free and they're not having to
actually shell out their hard earned cash for it. Beck is charging four dollars forty nine a month to see her exclusive content and she hasn't even got a strategy or a plan behind what she's giving out before people pay for I found it quite interesting because there are some other influencers who are also offering this subscription, but they haven't seemed to have got as much hate as Beck, and I think the reason is there are influences out there and there are question marks over sort of why
people follow them, because a lot of people have said, well, I'm happy to subscribe to something where I'm actually getting something back. So whether that might be, for example, a podcast you might get extra content, or whether it's a motivational speaker and they give you tips, or a videographer or a videographer that you learn step by step. But I think the question mark is what is the content that beck is offering up for this four dollars forty
nine a month. Going back to the price case, I didn't think that four forty nine was a huge amount to pay for a subscription. However, once you do have to start paying for all of the people that you enjoy following on instagramming becomes very costly. See I thought four forty nine was ridiculous for a subscription to beck Judd. Think about how much Amazon costs. That's six dollars Amazon Prime,
six dollars a month. So you're paying a dollar less to get beck Judd's content than you are for a streaming platform that's got you know, it depends, it depends what she's actually offering more. Let's get into that, because on Sunday she didn't know and she put up a
box asking her followers to give her some ideas. She's obviously developed the idea a little bit more because when you click on a subscribe button, she's now come up with a real and I don't think the real really helped because it was just her taking selfies and her posing at photo shoots and pouting, and there was a little bit of better. There was a little bit of
Chris Judd in there, and her kids. And in the caption, she said that subscribers will be taken behind the scenes of her newest design projects and social events, as well as get exclusive offers from her partners. She also said it would be an open channel for more communication between me and my most dedicated followers. She ended up saying this is all new to me, so let's see how this goes.
Now.
The whole communication thing interested me because for me, I don't really find Beck Judd someone that is really interactive on her social media accounts. There's people like flex Marmie who has already started making money off Instagram by setting up a close Friends account where people pay to be on her close Friends list, and Amy, as you were saying, there were some influencers that have already started monetizing Instagram
in this way that subscribers pay for their content. However, they haven't received backlash, and I do think it has a lot to do with the fact that Beck Judd does push a lot of sponsored posts and a lot of content that's probably not very reachable. It's very aesthetic and aspirational, but it's not very down to earth.
And I think that Beck's.
Suddenly saying, oh, well, now that I'm getting a bit of money, I'm happy to take you behind the scenes of what I'm doing. We've got to remember she's an entrepreneur. She's also a speech pathologist. Everyone's acting like she's this dumb, stereotypical influencer. She's a forty year old woman who has a lot of experience in the industry, and I think you're sort of downplaying, but she's all about it. I just I think a lot of people think it's a bit rich to be like, actually, I'm going to start
offering content about my life, Sophie. I'm not saying that beck Judd is an intelligent and she hasn't been a speech pathologist in her life, but what would have been an intelligent social media strategy was coming up what you were going to be offering your followers before you started saying, oh, we'll pay me five dollars and I'll come up with it as I go. I mean she's trialing the tech though, to be honest, like she's one of the first people
in Australia, but she chose to. I mean, yes, it's pretty brave because she's copped a lot of negative feedback. Another influencer who has done the same is Sophie Guidolin, and she is a fitness influencer who is actually charging seven dollars forty nine a month. Come she's not copying it, well, she is copying it because what she's done is she has put her wedding photos behind a paywalk because she eloped a couple of weeks back, and she hasn't actually
shared any of the photos with her followers. And she came out and said the reason for this is because when she got engaged on her European trip, she found out that she was packed, and she found that was a real invasion of her privacy. So she started to think differently about how she shares content. But then a lot of people are like, oh, well, you're happy to put it behind a payment.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
What's it any different from celebrities selling their wedding photos to magazine.
Well, that's exactly what Sophia said.
I think that we all assume that we're all owed everything for free. I think, but kang on, but Sophie. Influencers don't put that content up for free. We talk a lot about how influencers monetize their life events. So they might think, well, I'm not getting paid X amount for it, but they are because they get more followers, and the more followers they have, the higher advertising dollars they charge. Because the whole, the whole thing about Instagram, it is based on eyeballs.
You attract, you attract the eyeballs and you attrack.
You can see the path that they're trying to go down. A lot of influencers would say, well, I want to do a subscription base, so then I don't actually have to be spooking protein Pa. That's the way I think people pissed off with beck jud because she's like, oh, and I'll offer you new I'll offer you partnership deal. Yeah, It's like, okay, but hang on, that's an ad within see.
I actually think this subscription speature could be good in a sense that we're going to get the best from influencers, because I definitely am sick of seeing a lot of ads. I know that it comes with the deal of getting access to people's lives, but this is probably content when we're not going to see.
A whole pay for it.
I'm not sitting there and being like, the thing is, if I had to actually pay for people that I follow on Instagram's content, I don't even I kind of think of one that I probably pay for a few because I think a lot of journalists will be paying for it because they're going to get access to all of these new stories, so it's going to be printed everywhere. Anyway,
I'm trying to there's a feature where you can't screen records. Well, that's the thing, because I really think it comes down to the term influencer, because it's very loaded and at the moment, there is a negative connotation with the word, and most influencers want to be referred to as content creators. And I do think that this is a perfect platform for genuine content creators who put time and effort into their craft.
And I think people are willing.
To pay for perceived effort, but I don't think people are willing to pay for oh, let me take you behind the scenes of my life, because that's the content we expect to get for free on Instagram. Well, with Sophie Gwidlin, I could see her actually putting up some really good fitness content that people would want to follow that with a hair I go, yeah, I can see by changing she's offering exclusive recipes and workouts, coaching access to her launchers, and also you know, behind the scenes photos,
which is the most controversial part of it. But to me that makes more sense because she basically said she used to have a closed Facebook group where she would put a lot of her coaching information and now she's going to be offering that as a subscription on her platform, and the reality is, if you don't want to subscribe to Beck Judd, don't subscribe.
The thing is I genuinely enjoy following Beck Judge.
She's one of the first people that I followed on Instagram, and I think she does face a lot of unfair criticism as a female entrepreneur. Okay, Sophie, but put your money where your mouth is. Would you pay four dollars forty nine a month to subscribe to her channel?
This is the same person need to sign up for the Sunny app, So she might because I.
Probably wouldn't pay it at this stage. But if I start hearing in the media that she's dropping some absolute bombs or she's videos like Nadia bok it came up, who is going to be able to afford to subscribe to all their favorite influencers because the cost of living is so expensive, interest rates are going up, Like, I
just don't understand how this is feasible at all. I am interested to see how Instagram users do embrace this subscription because it has the potential to change influencing and also Instagram as we know it.
Well, that's the thing. As I said earlier.
Instagram has always been a place where you trade eyeballs for advertising dollars, and now the whole model is turning on its head, where influencers are going to be having to abtract their own followers who are directly paying them, And how do you operate like that because they're still going to be having to do their typical ads on their public channel. So are we just going to see Instagram turn into ads for all the ads are on the free channel and then all the stuff we actually
want to watch we have to pay for. Now. I'm interested to see how much Instagram is getting as a percentage for this, because like only fans, I think only fans takes is it five percent or something along those lines.
So it does seem like a move.
From Instagram to actually try and recoup some of the money that's been spake because obviously influencers they take the full cut of advertisers spend and Instagram's not getting any of it. Yeah, that's a really good point. I do wonder if this could be the death of Instagram or be a revolution, because it's quite clear that they can't continue on the way that they are. TikTok has taken a lot of their users away, and I mean I do I do wonder how this will affect platforms like
OnlyFans and sun Room. I actually think it could actually help Instagram because although we're talking about, well, how much
free content are they going to put out? I think as an influencer, as you said, people are only going to have a certain amount of money to spend on their favorite influencers, So you're actually going to have to be putting out pretty like quality content for free for people to go, oh wow, I actually want to buy your content, because if you're just putting out ads, why is anyone going to say?
I think that's why.
People are so up in arms about Beck Judge charging for content, because I think the quality recently hasn't been there with her organic and anyone who follows Gary veeve Widow the whole marketing it's meant to be give, give, give, give, give, then ask for something you don't just ask ask. She's been on there for ten years, yes, yeah, but she's not giving given giving content.
She takes takes by putting up pieces of ads all the time.
But she's also someone who maybe now where she's actually getting paid for it.
She might invest in time. But that's the thing I don't think.
I think it was a spare of the moment decision to put up the subscription. Yeah, come pay me, I'll get some extra cash. This is going to be a full time job for influencers. They're going to actually have to put effort into this because if you look at subscription like, you know what you get when you sign up to Netflix, you know what you get when you say you sign up to Mom and me are out loud, they are. They give you two extra podcasts a week
and you get access to all their content. When you sign up to bet Judd, I have no idea what I'm getting. She's still making up the formula.
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Got some deliveries from baby Fashion. I'm going to show you guys what I got and do a little bit of a try on a whole. The boyfriend and baby daddy of Perth influencer Grazie Piscopo has been charged over the alleged murder of his own mother Amy.
This has shocked the Internet.
It really has because Gracie has over one million Instagram followers and she does live a very picturesque life. With her parst Andre online. So Gracie is followed by the likes of UK influencer Royalty, Molly May, Haigu, Saffron Barker, Grace Beverly and even Lottie Tomlinson. Is it wrong that I've actually never heard of her until this to either?
I suppose that's his Instagram for you.
There are so many people that have a million followers and you're like, I could walk past on the street and no, no, Well, her career took off in twenty nineteen because she modeled for Chloe Kardashian's Good American clothing brand, So I feel like this is the last thing followers would have expected that she would have been making headlines about Amy. What do we know about her boyfriend, Andre Rabello. Well, he's a twenty six year old self proclaimed cryptocurrency dealer
and he has been working as Gracie's manager. So he also shares a son with Gracie and it appears they have been dating since twenty fifteen.
Wow, so for seven years. Yeah, so he is.
Literally all over her YouTube channel.
I went and had a little bit of a look. She's not as big.
On YouTube as she is on Instagram. I think some of her videos were getting around the five thousand views. She had a really awkward one where it was they were putting up their Christmas tree last year. That's been splashed all over the news talking about awkward. Did you see what influencer updates Au shared. So there was a TikTok of Gracie dressed up as tinker Bell at Halloween and let's throw to the clip, are you guilty or not guilty?
Guilty? Don't you know you might have killed her?
Take a bell?
Holy fuck? I actually saw someone share that in tea time as well.
Yeah, it's very awkward, and I think we should get into what we know about the charges. So Andre has been charged with the murder of his mother, Colleen. She very sadly passed away in May twenty twenty, and he's also been charged with a string of fraud charges which are allegedly linked to his mother's death. Now it's important to note he has denied the charges and he will be back in court on the twenty first of December
and possibly could receive bail. I was listening to the press conference with the police detective who is in charge of this investigation, and he dropped some interesting details. So he said the investigation was a complex one which drew on a lot of resources. He said, it's taken two years to get it to this point, and it's an example of how we will not stop until we thoroughly
investigate and bring these things to a conclusion. Now, this detective refused to answer any questions about how Miss Rebello died, but he did confirm that a family member had made the triple zero call back in May twenty twenty. Now WA Today are also reporting that the matter has been listed in the court filings as a domestic violence case. So at the time of Miss Rebello's death, there were tributes online from family and friends, and they expressed their
complete shock at her sudden passing. One of the tributes read beautiful, strong, moraued and devoted mother, while mister Rebello's daughter Monique said the family were heartbroken. In a post following her death on social media, she said, our beautiful mother suddenly and very unexpectedly passed away recently. This has turned our world upside down. She was the light of our whole family, a real angel that we will forever miss and cherish. What an awful situation for this family.
It's absolutely horrific and I did see a lot of people in Perth commenting that they had never heard about this murder, which I foundly interesting because I mean, Adelaide is the murder capital of Australia and when there is a murder, particularly one involving high profile people, you would.
Hear a lot about it.
It was during a time when COVID was just all over then, but I mean they would take a break to do a murder chop reason because it does involve high profile people. Maybe that's why there was a level of privacy around this, because, particularly with someone who shares a lot on social media, maybe they didn't want things to jeopardize. Well, I feel like that this comment, the triputes are very sudden and unexpected, and it almost sounds like they were passing the death off as a bit of an accident.
Yeah, that's what I think.
I think that initially it wasn't thought that it was a murder to begin with. Now since the news, understandably, Gracie has been absent from her social media.
Legally, there's not much she's able to say.
Interestingly, Andre used to be a main feature on her account, but he's been very absent the last year. I think partly she hasn't been posting as much, but I also think she may have wiped a lot of recent.
I'm sure might have been archived. Yeah.
Well, her friend Sky Wheatley has spoken and she did a Q and A and she was asked, what do you think about the case, and she said, I'm still out here telling people it's fake. I met him, he was so sweet and shy, like, surely not sending my love to them. It's enough to go through something like that, but for it to be posted all over the internet, and my god, it's actually sucks. Sorry you feel bad for them.
So fucking stay out of the elane guy, like, fucking shut up. I'm sorry.
This poor family does not need any more with her speculating and saying like, let's leave it up to the investigators to find out what's happened.
He hasn't pleaded yet.
And I think we need to note that this case is going to be before the court soon and we probably will get drip fed information about what's going on as it unfolds in court. However, you've got to remember that the media have to be careful not to give too much information. That could sway a jury's opinion, because you could be in contempt of court and everybody.
I'm pretty sure we know that I will never be able to give a fuck about another man other than my ex boyfriend.
TikToker Mikayla Tester has offered up a cash reward of thirty thousand dollars for her ex boyfriend Addis Paul's iPhone share location. The former cryptocurrency king recently stopped sharing his location with the Only fan Star once photos emerged of her with a new guy. So I could do with a bit of cash injection. But before we get into that, who is this new guy? Well, his name is Andy the s K. I don't know if SK is some
sort of gen Z word or term at the moment. Anyway, he is a TikToker with over four point six million followers, and he's known for producing videos where he goes basically somewhere like Rundell Male and interviews randoms and a lot of the content is also prank videos.
It's all very staged.
I always get shocked when I see people's content like this. I'm like, who is buying into this? Here's twenty dollars, I'm just giving this to you because out of an active kindness. Now I'm giving it to you because I want to go off on TikTok exactly now, Mikayla posted a photo in her feet of her and Andy, and in the photo she's affectionately holding his chin and she captured it with three stars. Now under the photo, of course, followers started jumping to conclusions that they were an item.
But this was until a comment appeared from Andy's girlfriend saying not my boyfriend, with a melting face next to it. The girlfriend then proceeded to share on her own feed a photo of her with Andy and wrote, Mikayla Tester snatching up other people's boyfriends.
Now, oh my god.
Can you imagine finding this photo like? It would be so humiliating. I'm sorry, but I sort of think, why is the girlfriend not mad at the boyfriend? Come on, Sophie, your reaction would be the exact same. It is internalized misogyny, But still I would be like, who is this bitch? Even though it's my boyfriend's fault. Look, I have a theory about Mikayla Tester. I think this breakup with Addis
Paul is a complete publicity stunt. You see it all the time in the US, all these high powses, they have these stage relationships.
This breakup to me seems fake.
So I think this guy and this girl are in on it and they're trying to create some Are you saying that they weren't in a real relationship, in a real relationship because every time they do anything they get more followers. And now this guy, oh, he happens to have four point two million followers on TikTok and I've just put it fro. I think it makes more sense to make someone jealous by infiltrating their relationship forming. I don't think that Addis and mikayla breakup is fake. I
think there is some validity to what you're saying. Amy. Now getting back to this photo with Andy, Michayla was coppying a lot of heat, so she put up a TikTok video explaining that she had no idea that Andy had a girlfriend. Here's what she said.
I just want to squeam. I heard no idea that this this man had to go off riend. Number One, he didn't tell me. Number two, they don't callow each other. Number three, there's no photos on a social media numberfore it was just friendly anyway.
Yeah, this is where things got really interesting because in this video, Michayla said that the biggest reason why people shouldn't jump to conclusions about her and Andy is because everyone knows her heart is completely consumed by her ex boyfriend Addis Paul.
Here's what she said.
Everybody, I'm pretty sure we know that I will never be able to give a fuck about another man other than my ex boyfriend. Like I will never genuinely ever care about another man ever. Like my heart's completely occupied by my ex boyfriend forever. So like also, he stopped sharing his location with me when I posted that video. If this like a new girl or boy I don't know, it's talking to him and has his location, I will pay thirty thousand dollars for it.
See what I mean?
No one would genuinely post this sort of stuff because why would you want your ex knowing all of this information?
Like she's trying to get him back.
I think that's just her personality. Though she's kind of all over the pace and a bit of radic, But really I think that's just her trying to get him back. And I also think that has anyone noticed that there's been this shift in the way people view at us. Paul, like, even I think that he is now this lovable sweetheart, and I think it's got to do with the breakup. People are like, oh, like for some reason, you look at people differently when they're in a relationship compared to
when they're single. This whole issue of paying for a location setting it reminds me of video. Okay, you sent me from the Tommy and Carry show and they were talking about is it okay to have.
Your partner on the shared location.
I think it's weird and I'm sorry, Amy. I know that you and Dale share location, but I just find it a bit controlling.
What if I want to go by surprises.
We did it kind of as a joke, like because Dale wasn't using Snapchat and when he was in Sydney, I liked seeing where he was on the map.
So that was the only reason we don't have it as a controller when you could turn it off now if you want to, but we could.
But you know what, sometimes it's nice because it can be like, oh, Dale's gone to the shop, I know where he is, I know he's safe, or like when he went on his trip for work.
I could see where he was going here.
Yeah, but also on the Carry and Tommy show, there were other rules. So this woman had to have her husband, they had to share their location, and they also had to have all their passwords for their phone social media accounts. Like to me, how are you meant to build trust with someone if they can't do anything that you're unaware of?
I think that does sound a bit controlling.
But for example, does everyone's partners know their pass code on their phone? Yeah? But what I'm saying is that it's not really trust there because you clearly don't trust the person if you have to have access to everyone. I think the rule that was fucked was that they weren't allowed to have any friends of the opposite gender.
Oh yeah, a bit far.
Yeah.
Now getting back to Mikayla and Addas, this revelation of the sharing of the location is quite big because everyone was speculating when Addis and Michayla broke up that it was odd that Michayla kept popping up in the same location.
So she traveled to Europe and.
Then she kept sort of trailing human being in the same locations he was just in.
So it kind of adds more field to the fire.
But the thing is how private is his location? He daily vlogs on TikTok, like it's not hard to see
where he is. I do agree with you, Amy, I am now on the side of I think this is a publicity stunt because with Mikayla throwing out more little nuggets about the breakup, about the location setting, it all adds fuel to the fire that they're still talking and all this sort of stuff, And it makes their teenage followers ship their relationship more and romanticize what they used to have and can you imagine they will finally get back together? Can you imagine huge the interactions on that point.
Mikayla's already got two point two million followers I reckon. Before the breakup she had about a million follows. It's probably been good for her brand and his brand for them to be single. Addis has been able to have this huge move away from this cryptocurrency dickhead. As you said, he's now a sweetheart. All these girls probably like him. They want to get to Anna. The only people that are ever involved in their love lives other people on TikTok with millions of fires.
That's who they are there.
But to be fair, that's who they would circulate with. I do want to point out, though, do you think if a male offered thirty thousand dollars for a female's iPhone share location the reaction would be a.
Little bit different. It would be completely different.
He would be called possessive and controlling. I feel like there'd be so many think pieces about what an invasion of privacy in it, that it was abusive. Yeah, I'm sure Bekayla is being called a bit of a psycho, a crazy ex girlfriend though for wanting that information. The thing is, can you actually like, if you've got Dale's information, can then you share it with me? I don't think that was possible. Maybe she'd just buy their whole SIM
card or something. Buy your phone, I'll give her my phone if he's sharing his location too, unless he's on Snapchat or something on snap maps. Now that sounds like an iPhone sort of situation. I wonder if he has responded.
To her over this. I'm sure they're talking.
We'll followers a joking that they were going to put air tags in his car to keep her posting easy, with Anna's car being that whole whiteboard situation.
This is my dress. I designed this, I designed the print. It took us twelve months to develop because it was the first print that we ever did, And this is what Valley Girl.
Have done Influenza.
M Davies has hit out Valley Girl for allegedly stealing her clothing brand Venoms design.
So what has gone down?
Well? M Davies has been receiving an influx of dms from her followers sending her photos of address at Valley Girl and the pattern looks near identical to address from her collection. So she shared a video in TikTok blasting the fast fashion brand and showing the two dresses side by side, and the print is pretty much exactly the same and I was shocked when I saw it.
They even put the brand name on it Venna, Well, like, how do they do that?
I Mean, we've spoken a few times about how there is a loophole and basically, if you haven't trademarked your brand, other people can just steal it and literally do this.
This is not illegal for Valley Girl to do.
Well. Em said understandably that she was completely heartbroken and that the design took twelve months to develop and the pattern is very distinct. It has Cherry's post stamps and what looks like Casino chips on it, and as you guys said, it even has the word Venom on it. You think they would have put in Bali, Vally Girl or anything. Here's what Em said about it.
Like, my brand name is in your stores across Australia. You could have at least taken out my brand name right. Your brand is Valley Girl, not Venom.
So Em has confirmed that there is nothing that she can do legally because the design was not trademarked, and she also said there is no way that the manufacturers have reproduced the fabric because it is slightly different. She said, they've bought her dress and then just ripped it off. I mean, this isn't something new that we've seen, but I think on this scale of replicating the material so closely that has her brand name on it is pretty shocking.
And you know, while Valley Girl hasn't done anything legally wrong, morally, it does seem very wrong to do this. How do you guys feel though, that this is a fast fashioned brand that is ripping off really a small business, like she is an influencer, However, this is business.
That she run.
Yeah, I think it's pretty disgusting. As Kate said, even though it's not illegal, I think morally it's very wrong. And I just think, how do they expect to get away with it?
Well, they can get away with it because it's not illegal. It's a sense of that.
She wouldn't call them out. It'd be bad publicity. It kind of played into Valley Girl's hands because the people are.
Going to go, oh, I actually get that for cheaper.
Yeah. I think EM's version of it was one hundred and twenty five dollars. I went to look at Valley Girl's website, which is a.
Piece of shit. I couldn't even find the dress. Probably back in two thousand and eight when that was I forgot it even existed. Value Girl. Well, do you know what was super awkward?
So Em initially got her wires crossed, and she originally did a TikTok video slamming Ali Fashion because multiple followers sent in DM saying they've Ali Fashion has copied your design. So she did use this video to apologize to Ali Fashion, and she said it was her fault and she should have done her research, but she was so upset and frustrated in the moment and she said she is going.
To learn from it. Poor Ali fashion.
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