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Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.
That is so fat thank you.
This is becoming a bit of a regular occurrence. We have now been blocked by arguably Australia's biggest influencer, Shanni Grimmon.
I've got to.
Say this one personally cut deep for me because I picked Shanny in our snog Marry and Avoid, and I picked her to Mary, So I feel like this is some sort of public declaration that she doesn't want to marry me back.
Can I feel personally offended?
I picked her too, and not only has she blocked the Outspoken Instagram page, she's also blocked our personal pages. I feel like that's a big fe you can. I put it on the record, I now pick Sammy Robinson to marry. I'm just so surprised because I feel like we really saying her praises a lot on this podcast.
So yeah, well, I do think it's got something to do with the fact that we shared a meme last weekend featuring her and her ex's new partner, Madison Wooly, which will go into a little bit later, but yeah, I think it's got something to do. Yeah, I think we should make up a chart of who's blocked us now, because I feel like we're getting a lot of influences who are blocking us. It reminds me of on mean Girls when they've got that blackboard and they just cross
out the things to bring Regina Georgetown. The funniest thing is I told Mom that Shaney Grimman had blocked us, and she actually follows Shany Grimman because we went onto her Instagram and followed a whole bunch, and she's like, I really want to block her myself. What I'm going to do is I'm going to keep an eye on it for you. And she has stuck to a word. She's been sending me like Instagram screenshots and it's so funny.
You mom, mum's the best. If you don't have a mum who can keep up to date with influencers who block you, you've got to have a good old fashioned burner account or yeah, exactly, I mean, who doesn't have a burner account in these days. I mean, I don't think people should have ones to troll people, but you know, to view Instagram stories that you want to view. A non Gina would be nothing without her high status, man candy,
technically good physique, an ignorant band of loyal followers. On Wednesday night, celebspellcheck reeked havoc on the social media world, sharing explosive, unverified gossip about Ozzie influencers. While names were censored from the screenshots, it didn't take long for followers and other gossip accounts to start naming and shaming Kate.
For those who missed it, what happened, Well, it all started when celeb spelcheck put a call out for people to send in gossip and encounters with Ozzie celebs and influencers, and she reiterated that people would remain anonymous. So once celeb's spellcheck received a whole bunch of them, she started sharing the posts and she blanked out, obviously the people that had sent them in, but she also blanked out the celebrity or influencer's name, but she kind of left
a little clue of who it might be. So sometimes she would write like an one hundred k influencer or a cashed up bogan. So the little clue. Do you know what this reminds me? I know we touched on me and Girls before, but it reminds me of the scene when the burn book has been photocopied and put everywhere. Is that kind of frantic panic of everyone reading about themselves.
Meet out with a hot dog? Oh my god, that was one time. Don Schweitzer has a huge ass.
Who would write that?
Who wouldn't rate that? Come quick, They've gone wild? The girls have gone wild? Yeah, it really was.
Well. It's also important to note though, that while celeb Spellcheck is a legend, it is actually important to note that they borrowed this idea from American celebrity gossip account des Moi, and they actually have over seven hundred and sixty six thousand followers, and they started their account about ten months ago during COVID and instead of sharing influences gossip,
they usually share celebrity stories. What is quite interesting is that it is an anonymous person who runs this page similar to celeb Spellcheck, but apparently Hailey Beaber thinks she's worked out who this person is. Yeah, it's like the account is massive, as the likes of you know, a list celebrities following it, and it seems like there is this witch hunt like there has been with Celebs Spelcheck
to find out who's actually running it. I read this amazing article in Vanity Fair about the hunt of who this account owner was, and she actually did an interview in the magazine which was really interesting. Or we should probably get into some of the goths that actually came out on celeb Spelcheck's into story, because there were plenty of juicy stories.
What were your favorites.
I've got to say the one that piqued my interest the most was that a massive influencer and her partner said that the reason that they don't have kids yet is because she likes coke too much. Of course, my
favorite was the peasant comment. So apparently there's an influencer who went to a nightclub and called about eight different people a peasant, and for some reason everyone thought it was Sky Wheatley, and she came out and hit back and said, if I'm that out of my mind drunk, how could I call eight different people the same name? I mean, I don't know how that logic works. I don't actually think it would have been her doesn't sound like sky to me. She's been I think she's quite
lovely to people. You know what she's out and about. Yeah, yeah, but if you're drunk, I could actually imagine like her being really stilly, like you know, on those American trips that she did, and like out doing those funny voices with Michael Finch and Shiny Grimman, Like. I kind of could see it happening, But she has denied it, which it's important to note. What about the rumor that came out that a big influencer's boyfriend had joined someone's only
fans account. Oh, that would be so embarrassing for that influencer if it came out. But there's he knows that many boyfriends of Instagram, do you know what I mean? Like, there's a few people that just instantly spring to mind.
But surely he'd know.
That would come out if your high profile and you're joining different people's accounts. Well, Amy, as you touched upon the fact that celeb spellcheck gave clues, they kind of narrowed it down who it could be out of quite a small pool of people. So that's when Ozzy influencer
Opinions got involved. Now there are a relatively new Instagram site that calls out influencers, and they decided to piggyback off Celeb's spellcheck segment and they were posting, well, they actually put up a post asking people who do you think celeb Spellcheck's talking about? And they started to share
the responses. Was also unfortunate is that Celeb's spelcheck accidentally put up a submission without the influence name block, so it said my friend was working with Shiny Grimman for the latest campaign for her swimwear brand, and she constantly was dropping the most discussing parts and wouldn't excuse herself after doing it, but just laughed and said, at least we're all being paid, right. See. I wish we knew that before we did the the snog Marry avoid segment,
because I would have avoided her. I'm not into someone dropping.
We've got to say that these people have sent these in and they're unverified posts like so, while it's hilarious and I did get a good chuckle out of that, especially after she blocked me, I do think it's it's important to say that these are unverified posts like literally anyone could be sending in anything about these influencers, Well there was It wasn't there a finster account that was discovered for someone actually sending in nice comments about themselves,
Because after Celeb's spellcheck and a bit of the dirty laundry, they actually put up hundreds of nice comments that were left well back to the negative posts. And Sky Wheeley wasn't the only influencer to deny the rumors. Ashley Meski actually wrote a really lengthy post on her Instagram story denying that she was the Insta twin who was rude to a lash technician. This one was a little bit embarrassing because they said that the person in question actually
asked to get the lashes for free. She then went on to call celebs spellcheck a drama page. Well maybe she was trying to point the finger at her sister. Maybe that was the twin.
Well, there's not too many insta twins out there.
Well. Christine Swadling was another influencer who hit back at the rumors. She said that she actually wrote quite a lengthy post, which to me kind of made her sound guiltier. So Christine went into quite a lot of detail and she wrote, So one day in winter, I was shopping for a top for the weekend. I went into General Pants at my old hometown and tried this top on. I was getting warm, so I kept my jumper off, hung it over my bag, put the top back, and
walked into another store. Ten minutes later, General Pants staff members and security guards came up to me and checked my bag. Security saw it was a jumper and laughed and apologized. Anyway, Obviously, some of the staff at General Pans followed me on Instagram and posted all over Facebook that I stole, even though it was clarified I didn't just to spill some tea where tea wasn't spilt.
Ps, did you know.
Bullying is still bullying even if you have a following Celeb's spell check. I'm all for her actually explaining and going into detail about what happened, because it does seem like things must have got muddled along the way in regards.
To this story.
But what I don't like is her referring to celeb Spellcheck as a bully.
Look.
I've got to say, though, I feel like when you're lying about something, and I'm not calling her a liar, but I'm just saying when someone accuses you of something, you generally then come up with an excuse, and this to me kind of sounds like a little bit of an excuse, like, oh, this is why I got stopped by security. Like I'm not saying she did it. I'm just saying, like you know, when you get caught out line. Yeah, But then again, it kind of almost sounds like something
that would have happened, that could have been twisted. But I just feel like, I don't know if it was the best thing for any of these influences to actually acknowledge the rumors, because it just gives validity to them, and it kind of makes you think, oh, wow, well everything else that was sent in must have been true.
To be honest, though, if it was me and someone was spilling some shit about me and I would say something, But no, but the thing was Christine Swaddling wasn't actually named mbers going around that.
You know, maybe it was her, but.
Some of the descriptions, it was kind of obvious to
who it was. I actually agree with Sophie. I think it was good that they came out and defended themselves because a lot of people probably were dming them and saying is this you and Alicia's come out and cleared up what had happened or her side of the Yeah, well, can we get back to the Aussie Influencer Opinion account for a second, because they just seemed to have appeared out of nowhere and it seems very suspicious because in the past week, Pedestrian has done four different articles on
this page. Yeah, the timing of this is very strange because on the seventeenth of February, Pedestrian shared their first article about the page and it was almost like they were introducing everyone to the page.
They even shared links to go follow it.
Well, well, I thought it was even stranger because it was only the previous week when they did that big expose trying to reveal who celeb spellcheck was. It seems
a little bit fish to me. It got me thinking like, does someone from Pedestrian run this account or someone associated with someone that works there, because it seems to be getting a lot of free promotion, including a follow up article the same day talking about the eleven different times that the page spilt tea on Ossie Influencers Funnily left, the article only included five different times, so it's like total beat up as well well the fact that they
actually interviewed the person behind the page. I mean, think about how many people are looking to find out who celeb spellcheck is the fact that someone who runs a similar page would then out themselves to a media company that just seems crazy to me. Well, as you said,
this was like the following day more articles emerged. So the third article actually involved celebs Spellcheck and des Moire and were saying, how you know, the Oussie opinion influencer is like that third cog in the wheel about keeping influencers to account. And as you said, the fourth article on the same day was an actual interview with the person that runs the account, which is very strange. I feel like it isn't someone from a Pedestrian though, because
the page seems quite reckless in what they report. It doesn't seem to stick to any guidelines. I mean, they were posting up, you know, fodder of who these people are, and it did feel like it was verging a bit on defamation. But that doesn't that doesn't mean that the
person doesn't work at Pedestrian TV. It means that they're now able to say whatever they want because no one knows who they are, I know, but I'm saying that if you were a journalist working for a publication like that, I'm sure that they are aware of media law and what you can and cannot say.
I don't know.
It seems like it's made by someone perhaps who's a bit younger and who has been caught up in the whole celeb spellcheck phenomenon. Well, they did actually name celeb spell Check as inspiration for starting the page, and I feel like their strategy behind getting more followers is basically being more shocking than.
Celeb spell Check, because we've seen celebs.
Spellcheck kind of evolve, and she kind of seems to have this authority over the influence of space, and a lot of people seem to respect her opinion because you know, she now is avoiding sort of calling people out too much.
She blocked people's names out. However, this person was happy to point fingers at people. What I love is a lot.
Of people who are calling this page the poor man celeb Spellcheck.
It feels like they are clout.
Chasing a bit. I mean, I do, I do think there is room for everyone to have their own platform in their own say, but I just think it is a complete copy of celebrit spell chech. Have you guys noticed that, especially during this COVID period, there seems to be so many pages that have popped up that are just slagging off influences. I mean, there's so many Sarah's Day hate pages going on. There's this new page seleb spell check. It seems to be the in thing to
have an anonymous page. Well, I think it's because the pandemic has completely changed celebrity gossip. In twenty twenty, celebrity events were canceled, meaning that there was no red carpet interviews or after parties or paparazzi shots. So I suppose we have then jumped online to see what celebrities are doing, and in turn will now become more interested in influences. Yeah, and like using celebrities as an example, because they don't
attend all those events anymore. They've literally had to turn to social media to actually get themselves out there.
And then that's kind of really.
Introduced us to connecting with influencers and celebrities in that way, and it feels.
Like we're we really do know them.
But I actually don't think that's the case at all. I think what's happened is during the pandemic, people have got sick of influencers behavior and they've seen them going on their holidays and flouting the rules.
And they've gone, you know, stuff this.
I want to be able to relate to content, and that's why so many people are following these pages. Yeah, but I think there's a lot of hate following going on. I think that people actually enjoy following these people, and I think it's the case of the fact that with the pandemic, we're not really having real life socialization, so our desire to actually connect and observe with other humans
is growing. So the only way we can do this is actually looking at influencers or celebrities social media content. So it's kind of fun for us all bandy together and like observe someone and comment on what they're doing, because we can't do that in public. Like I'm someone who loves people watching, but you know, if you're in America or you were in Melbourne during the lockdown, you can't do that anymore. Yeah.
Well, I tend to agree with both of you.
I think it's a bit from Colin a a bit from columb I think there is a real feeling of influencer fatigue at the moment and a lot of resentment towards them. I mean, you just have to look at the pandemic and see so many people losing their jobs. Yet these people are still posting about their lavish lifestyles and the fact that they're earning more money during this time I think would be pissing a lot of people off. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, do you guys think it's fair for these anonymous pages
to solicit and share unverified gossip? I really think it depends on the level of gossip being shared. For instance, if it is gossip that is going to destroy someone's reputation and is completely defamatory, I don't think it is fair. However, I think that a lot of the things celeb Spelcheck shared were very lighthearted. I mean, sharing that someone farted at a photo shoot I think is completely harmless and
just a bit of fun. Yet sharing that someone may be addicted to coke is going a little bit far in my book. The thing is that I almost think it's quite ballsy of celeb Spelcheck to do this, because we spoke last week about how there was an episode on Shame that's talking about it how a lot of influences in Melbourne are wanting to seek out who is
the person behind the account. It's almost like waving a red flag in the influencer's face, because think about it, if you're an influencer now and you know that your shitty behavior is probably going to come out soon or something embarrassing is going to come out because they're just sharing everything. Yeah, it was really a bit of a fuck you about that in Yeah, and.
Everyone was living for it. I feel it.
Yeah, I feel it was a very defiant move and a move to say I'm not going to change what I'm doing. I'm going to continue and go even harder if anything. Yeah, well, she really has stepped it up, and I do hope for her own sake that she is stepping it up, like from a legal perspective as well, and is going to cover her back. And I think she should take some advice from du Noire because they actually have put a process in place to protect herself
against defamation laws. And obviously the laws are different in America. But what she's done is she's put a little disclaimer in her Instagram bio that reads statements made on the account have not been independently confirmed. She's also got like a frequently asked section and it says what you want or don't believe any of what is posted. This was started for fun. Also, this is my private account, so I can reveal or not reveal whatever the fuck I want.
There's also more information on the website talking about how this is rumor and conjecture are not facts. So I do think that as more interest grows and celebs spell check and also in Aussie influencer opinions, that they do need to be thinking about these things. Because what's quite scary is the defamation laws are actually going through a reform at the moment. So in August twenty twenty, that
was the first stage of these defamation reforms. And what's crazy is the defamation law hadn't had any changes made to it since two.
Thousand and five.
So if you think back to two thousand and five, Facebook had only been around for one year, Twitter wasn't even around, and the iPhone came in in two thousand and seven, so obviously the way that we communicate has completely changed.
And the laws aren't really reflective of this.
So the stage two reforms that are meant they were actually meant to have come in well, sorry, we were met. Found out more information about those laws in December twenty twenty, but we haven't yet. But the Stage two specifically looks at online defamation. So I feel like it's really an evolving space and at the moment I feel like there's a lot of confusion around what is actually allowed. Well, your friends the football will be there. Oh friend football friend,
best friends forever and ever. Let's get into the influencer wrap now. Fashion designer Camilla Franks is in hot water after she incorporated the Union Jack into her latest collection and many have said it actually glamorizes colonialism. I've got to say, when I saw the photos, I thought what is going on? Yeah, as soon as I saw the photos, I was like, this is going to be a complete shit storm. So the line is actually called The Mad Manner and it was launched last Monday with many of
Australia's biggest influencers attending the launch party. So Tammy Hembro was there, Ruby Tuesday, Matthew's Teague and Philippa as well as Nicki and Lucy from The Wild Ones and to set the scene, there were a lot of Union Jack bunting lining the walls. There was British telephone boxes and literally blue, red and white flowers everywhere. Well like it was spice culbs vibes. You know when Jerry wore that dress, the Union Day dress.
It did remind me of that.
But then obviously alarm bells are ringing the fact that we've just had this amazing discussion about changing the day and about colonialism, and then to kind of see this reflected it just seemed extremely tone deaf. Yeah. Well, this actually came two days after Australia's National Sorry Day, and as you touched on, less than a month after the Invasion Day discussions that were going on, and a lot
of influencers who attended the event came under fire. So Nicki and Lucy posted a photo of themselves in the outfits and wrote back to our roots. Now that post has since been deleted. Ruby Tuesday Matthews has also since deleted a post of herself at the party. So it seems like the influencers are trying to distance themselves from
this event. I would really like to know what the transaction between the influencers and Camilla the brand were for to get them to go to this event, because if there was money exchanging hands, I would think that it's pretty poor that they actually did delete the photos. However, if it was like just an invite.
You know, fair enough to be honest.
From working in PR, I definitely think these influences were paid to attend the event. This even happens in Adelaide of always. Do you know what it made me think when I saw the photo of them all together. Was there a moment in time where one of them thought, hmm, should we all be dressed like this? You know, we were sitting around in union jack colonial clothing.
There's something wrong with this. It kind of reminds me.
A bit of the Emperor's New clothes, the fact that everyone kind of just went.
Along with it.
Well, what about Nicky and Lucy's caption on their post? I mean, they spoke about going back to our roots. Now I believe they were apparently referring to the fact that they've worked with Camilla before.
However, but couldn't you just put two and two together.
I don't know what they were thinking, and the backlash has been pretty fierce. Former Bachelor contestant and Indigenous woman Brooke Blurton commented, is this a joke, while others blasted the collect and its launch, saying it was cringeworthy, tone deaf, and completely disrespectful. I've got to agree with Brook though. When I saw the photos, I thought, is this a joke too? It seemed unbelievable that people would not realize
how offensive that was in this time. Yeah, and have you guys seen the statement that Camilla Frank put out on Thursday night? Because this makes it even worse. I did. She started off by saying dearest tribe. Now, I don't know if she quite understands that that is a very cult racially sensitive word. I would not be starting off somewhat of a supposed apology with that, But in saying that it really wasn't an apology, she just defended herself.
She said the collection was inspired by her travels in the UK and that she was sad and to see that a small group of online voices chose to post negative comments about the event. She then explained that every single one of her collections has been born out of travel experiences and said it paid homage to the punk rock movement.
Now this is where it gets worse.
She said that it's pays homage to Vivian Westwood, the sex Pistols, Prince and a swag of other wildly eccentric characters from the UK. Now, I'm sorry, but princes from America.
Oh my god, it just keeps getting worse.
So I've got to say I'm gonna put it out there. I've never liked Camilla clothes. I think they're a complete ripoff and they're ugly, so you.
Know, don't hold back there.
The thing that didn't sit well with me is the pairing of very rich and powerful people with the Union Jack flag.
It just made me feel a bit sick.
And also there were no people of color even invited to the event, which also added to the insult. Well, I will be very interested to see how this collection sells. I don't think it's going to set out. I think it's going to be one collection that stays on the all right. I've got to say though, she has actually created some attention for itself, even in all publicity.
Publicity.
Yeah, well, moving on, and this one made me really sad. Lauras Henshaw has had to cancel her wedding for the third time, and this was due to last week's lockdown in Melbourne, and I felt even sad when she shared a picture of her golden retriever Bill and he was wearing the cutest little tuxedo, and she wrote, we couldn't bring ourselves to tell him he has to wait quite a bit longer now to wear his outfloor outfit.
But how adorable.
Do you know? What I love about Laura Henshaw is that she did a post saying how sorry she felt for everyone when the lockdown was announced, and she was in tears, and she was so selfless that she didn't even touch on the fact that her wedding had been canceled. And I think that just says so much about her. She just seems to genuinely care about other people, even over her own feelings. Oh, she seems like such a
beautiful person. She did speak a little bit about her on the Kick podcast this week, and she said that a lot of people had messaged her saying that she'd almost jinxed herself because she had spoken a lot about oh, you know, if my wedding gets canceled, blah blah blah, because it has been the third time. So yeah, I felt very sorry for her.
Well, let's move on to one of the other Kick girls.
Steph Claire Smith and on her Instagram story on Sunday, Steph admitted one of her biggest pregnancy cravings and it was McDonald's.
I love this.
I feel like when I'm pregnant, I'm going to use this as an excuse just to eat all the crap that I want to, and I feel like Mcdonald's'll be one of the first places I go to. Well, she said she's eaten more McDonald's during her pregnancy than she has in the last five years. And I actually believe her because you don't get abs like hers eating McDonald's. Well, I really Well, the thing is, though, I saw a picture of her and she still has abs like they're
at the top. I think she is one of those genetically blessed people who has a lower body fat percentage in that area. Yeah, well that's what I'm going to tell myself, especially next time I'm eating McDonald's. I could get around that diet though, if it was a kick girl diet, just get ads by eating McDonald's sake.
Fat her.
Well, we teased about it at the start of the episode and will end the episode with this little juicy piece of gossip. So Sophie, you actually spotted that Shane Grimmin had her silk swimwear photo shoot at the same place Madison Wooley shot her fashion range. Yeah, I is so funny because it was a Friday night, I was supposed to be rushing to your house. I threw myself under the shower and I don't know if anyone else
does this. I was on my phone in the shower, just flicking through Insta stories and it popped up and it was Shane Grimman's ass walking up this staircase and I thought I've seen that staircase before. So I frantically compared the photos and I was like, oh, this is too good. I got a frantic text from Sophie. She's like, I don't have time, but I need you to meme this. I needed to put this on her Instagram now and it.
Went off well.
For those who aren't piecing this story together, Jonathan Sower used to date Shiny Grimman and he now dates Madison Woolies, So it seems like, as well as the same taste in men, these girls have the same taste in staircase and bumpshots as well. So do you think Shiny saw Madison Woolies and copied or well. One of the members in our community they said that this place is actually
quite well known for brand shoots. So I had a look on their Instagram page and they've got over seven thousand followers, but the room that they've been taking the photos in is actually relatively new, so it is going to just look so hilarious that they've both had these huge campaigns shot there. If anything, I would think that Shani was unaware that that's where Madison shot it because she would not want attention around that because it just brings up Jonathan again. Well, I think that's all we
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