In this episode of Outside Ourselves: Summer Break, author, 1517 contributor, and internet theology whiz kid, Amy Mantravadi discuss theological themes in Charlotte Bronte's novel, Jane Eyre. Amy makes the argument that Jane's character development traces a law-gospel dynamic with Jane moving from a place of shame and condemnation to ultimately, resurrection. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi...
Jul 01, 2025•40 min
Kelsi talks with pastor, author, and 1517 contributor, Bradley Gray, about themes of suffering in Apple TV's series, Severance. The two explore how the show reveals humanity's inability to escape suffering before turning to the Christian answer for pain, grief, and ultimately death. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter S...
Jun 17, 2025•36 min
In this first episode of Outside Ourselves Summer Break series, Kelsi chats with Reformation Theology professor (and Broadway Musical Buff), Ken Sundet Jones, about the connections between Wicked and a theology of glory/theology of the cross. The two focus in on Elphaba's desire to live without limitation and where this desire leads - ironically not to freedom and goodness, but to wickedness and bondage. Show Notes: 1517 Podcast Fundraiser 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podca...
Jun 03, 2025•43 min
Kelsi is joined by author and pastor, Luke Kjolhaug, to talk about his new book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life . Luke lays out a biblical defense of simul iustus et peccator , or the idea that in this life, the Christian remains wholly sinful while also being wholly justified. The two talk about the importance of imputation when it comes to understanding the simul, what sanctification really is, and both the offense and good news of the sinner-saint doctrine. Show Notes...
May 20, 2025•1 hr 4 min
Jared C. Wilson joins Kelsi to chat about his latest book, Lest We Drift: Five Departure Dangers from the One True Gospel . In the book, Jared has identified the potential and problems with evangelical departures from gospel-centrality. In this conversation, Jared defines "gospel-centeredness" and then goes through the five key dangers he's identified in the book. Jared C. Wilson serves as Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry, Author in Residence, and General Editor, For the Church. In addit...
May 07, 2025•1 hr 3 min
David Zahl joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World . David Zahl is the director of Mockingbird Ministries and editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. David and his wife Cate reside in Charlottesville, VA with their three boys, where David also serves on the staff of Christ Episcopal Church. He is the author of Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technlogy, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What To Do About It and ...
Apr 22, 2025•1 hr
In this episode, Kelsi chats with theologian Mark Mattes about his new release with 1517 Publishing, Ditching the Checklist: Assurance of Salvation for Evangelicals (and Other Sinners) . The two discuss the history and inner-workings of “Decision Theology” and why this theology ultimately leads people to the question, “Am I really saved?” without a helpful or true answer. In response, Mark suggests Scripture primarily presents salvation and faith in Christ as something passive (like birth) done ...
Apr 08, 2025•59 min
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is back to talk about her latest book, Forty Facets of the Ascension. She breaks down the two Biblical accounts of the Ascension in Luke and Acts and talks about what the ascension tells us (and what it doesn't tell us) about Jesus as well as what it means for Christians. Find her kickstarter for the book linked below! Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is a prolific author of theology, fiction, and poetry. She is the founder of Thornbush Press and hosts the podcast Queen of the Science...
Mar 25, 2025•1 hr 2 min
In today’s episode, Kelsi chats with theologian and author R.L. Solberg about his apologetic ministry, which focuses on providing a defense of historical and scriptural Christianity in response to Torahism or the Hebrew Roots movement. Robert lays out some of the issues with Torahism before talking about his newest book, The Law, the Christ, and the Promise: A Verse-by-Verse Apologetics Bible Study through Galatians . One primary goal of the book is to show how Paul’s response to the Judaizers i...
Mar 11, 2025•1 hr 12 min
In a new segment of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi hosts theologians Robert Kolb and Steven Paulson for a debate on the third use of the law. Dr. Kolb argues the third use of the law is an essential way in which the law functions within the life of the Christian to guide them to serve and love their neighbor, or as he likes to say, to "give shape to their good works." In contrast, Dr. Paulson argues that, Biblically speaking ,there are only two uses of the law: the first use, which curbs evil, and the...
Mar 04, 2025•1 hr 34 min
Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Donavon Riley, about his forthcoming book, The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction . The book and conversation explore how Martin Luther's theology, specifically the reformation doctrine of Simul Iustus et Peccator can inform our understanding of addiction as well as recovery. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kels...
Feb 25, 2025•1 hr 10 min
Pastor Bob Hiller joins Kelsi to discuss all things preaching: what is the content and aim of preaching? How does the Lutheran definition differ from other traditions? Pastor Hiller answers all this and more. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify Youtube More from Bob: C...
Feb 11, 2025•1 hr 12 min
Kelsi chats with Christian author Ian Harber about his new book, Walking through Deconstruction: How to be a Companion in a Crisis of Faith, which details his own experience with with Christian deconstruction and return to faith. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify You...
Jan 28, 2025•1 hr 12 min
This week we are playing Kelsi's talk from October's 1517 HWSS conference. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify Youtube...
Jan 14, 2025•44 min
In the final Outside Ourselves episode of 2024, Kelsi interviews Pastor Magnus Persson about his personal journey from successful charismatic pastor to a minister in the Swedish Evangelical Lutheran Church. Magnus talks about what it's like pastoring in the most secular country in the world as a part of the state church and what he thinks evangelism looks like for the church moving forward. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube ...
Dec 31, 2024•53 min
In this episode, Kelsi talks with author, Amy Mantravadi, about her new historical novel Broken Bonds: A Novel of the Reformation, released by 1517 Publishing last month. Amy talks about her journey to Reformation theology and history, and why she decided to write a novel detailing the feud between Erasmus and Martin Luther which began in 1524. Amy Mantravadi lives in Dayton, Ohio with her husband, Jai, and their son, Thomas. She holds a B.A. in biblical literature and political science from Tay...
Dec 10, 2024•1 hr 13 min
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with Theologian Simeon Zahl about his book, The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience . Simeon argues there is a long history of Christian experience, particularly as it's defined by human emotion, not only throughout Christian history but also within the works of the Martin Luther and Philip Melanchthon. He has worked to reconcile liturgical traditions with this history in order to try and reclaim an emphasis on Christian experience that deepens ...
Nov 26, 2024•55 min
This is a recording of the live Outside Ourselves interview with Flame at this year's HWSS conference. In this conversation, Kelsi asks Flame about how his understanding of the doctrine of election has changed. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify Youtube More from Flam...
Nov 13, 2024•43 min
This week, Kelsi finishes her two-part conversation with Bruce Hillman and Adam Francisco with a look at Martin Luther's Two Kingdoms Doctrine, and especially the lefthanded or earthly realm. What did Luther think about the role of government in his day and age? Like many things with Luther, it's complicated. The show wraps up with some comparison between Augustine and Luther. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kels...
Oct 29, 2024•50 min
In today's episode, Kelsi is joined by 1517's Adam Francisco and Bruce Hillman to discuss the way in which politics and government is written about in the New Testament as well as St. Augustine's political theory. This is part 1 of a two-part conversation. The next episode will take a closer look at Martin Luther's Two Kingdom's doctrine. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on In...
Oct 22, 2024•56 min
Kelsi chats with author, Tara-Leigh Cobble, about her love of Scripture as well as her book, the Joy of the Trinity. Tara-Leigh Cobble's zeal for Biblical literacy is at the heart of everything she creates. Her goal is to help people read, understand, and love Scripture. Her daily podcast, "The Bible Recap,” guides listeners through a chronological 1-Year Bible reading plan. The podcast has over 330 million downloads and reached #1 on the Apple Podcast Charts in All Categories. She created and l...
Oct 01, 2024•47 min
Kelsi talks with Pastor Matt Popovits about his forthcoming book, Junk Drawer Jesus: Discarding Your Spiritual Clutter and Rediscovering the Supremacy of Grace . Matt details some of the most common misconceptions people tend to have about who God is (and what that means about them), including the ways we measure our spirituality, how we try and find our identity in our work, and that we falsely assume that happiness should be our ultimate aim in life. Matt Popovits currently serves as Lead Past...
Sep 17, 2024•57 min
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi chats with author and writer, Ashley Lande about her forthcoming book, The Thing that Would Make Everything Okay Forever . In the book and in this conversation, Ashley talks about how she found Jesus Christ after years of using psychedelics. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube More from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter...
Sep 03, 2024•1 hr 6 min
Kelsi is joined by Sandra Richter to discuss the portrayal of women throughout the Old Testament before honing in on the story of Deborah in Judges 4-5, specifically. Kelsi asks Dr. Richter questions about viewing Deborah’s leadership as normative, and the role and office of prophet and prophetess throughout Scripture. Together, the two discuss the good news within the darkness of Judges and the Christocentric end to Deborah and Barak’s battle and victory against Sisera. The Gundry Chair of Bibl...
Aug 20, 2024•1 hr 8 min
In this conversation with musician and writer, Andy Squyres, Kelsi asks about Andy's theological background and why he remains a Charismatic Christian. The two talk about some of the pros and cons of the Charismatic movement, the affects of deconstruction, and their hope for the future of Christianity in America. Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 04:00 Andy’s Background 11:30 The grace doorway 16:00 What can the High Church learn from Charismatics? 24:00 The impact of low anthropology on Andy’s humor 34:00...
Aug 08, 2024•1 hr 10 min
Kelsi and her husband, Doug Klembara, share how they navigated their theological differences in the early days of marriage. Together, they recount some of the major disagreements they had and how looking at Scripture and seeking out wise counsel eventually lead them to a place of agreement that has had an impact not only on their marriage, but their vocations and parenting. Doug is an entrepreneur and the Creative Director at 1517. Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 06:45 Why this episode? 10:00 Doug’s theo...
Jul 23, 2024•1 hr 3 min
Kelsi chats with the Reverend Jacob Smith about the authority of Scripture - how we define it and what it means for us - both Christian and non-Christian. Jacob works to define Scripture as authoritative not because it's a handbook for better living, but because it reveals Christ crucified for your sins. The two chat about Jacob's background, how he came into ministry, and the role evidential and legal apologetics have played for him personally, and end on the comfort that comes from proclaiming...
Jul 09, 2024•53 min
In this bonus episode, Chad Bird joins Kelsi in person to discuss his newest book, Hitchhiking with Prophets: A Ride through the Salvation Story of the Old Testament , which is out next week! Hitchhiking with Prophets follows the characters of the Old Testament as they guide us to Christ. Kelsi and Chad talk about why Chad wrote this book, who the book is for, and what he hopes to leave readers with. Chad Bird is a Scholar in Residence at 1517. He has served as a pastor, professor, and guest lec...
Jul 05, 2024•43 min
1517 Contributor and pastor, Bradley Gray, joins Kelsi to talk about his incredible book, Finding God in the Darkness: Hopeful Reflections from the Pit of Depression, Despair, and Disappointment , and specifically, how he sees God responding to suffering throughout Scripture. Bradley asserts Martin Luther's theology of the cross as a helpful backdrop by which to view all human suffering, and specifically the suffering caused by mental illness. Kelsi asks Brad his opinions on a recent comments ov...
Jun 25, 2024•1 hr 6 min
In this episode, Kelsi interviews Dr. Robert Kolb about his newest book, Face to Face: Luther's View of Reality . In Face to Face , Dr. Kolb argues that Martin Luther's theology is underpinned by his understanding of relationships, both how Christians came "face to face" with God ( Coram Deo ) and "face to face" with the world ( Coram Mundo) . It's these relationships that give us reality itself. Dr. Kolb is professor emeritus of Systematic Theology at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, an...
Jun 11, 2024•58 min
