Up next Out Loud with Joanno called well, part of the beginning with school Welcome back to how Allow what Gianno called Well? Here's part two of my interview with Dr Bill Winston, my pastor and mentor and also the founder of Living Where Christian Center, a nondenomination of Christian
Church just outside of Chicago. Let's go. I want people to understand that how practical this is, because oftentimes when we talk about faith, people think of it as kind of like, oh, spooky and ghosts and has happened, But there's a practical measure to it. I remember you talking about how you can plan a seed and God will bless you with the promotion on your job. Never thought about them how it can happen anyway. See, people have
separated God from work. They they have they have taken and said, well, I go to Sunday, go to church on Sunday, and the rest of the week I leave God in church. I'm out of here working. And that's not the Hebrew concept. The concept is is that wherever you are, He's with you seven days a week, and the principles that He's given you are to be used in every aspect or every sphere of influence. Whether you're
a football player, whether it doesn't make any difference. Faith is a universal concept and it's designed to give you an advantage or have you to do the impossible, or had you to believe the unbelievable when it's time, and faith can do that. And just to finish up this story, next thing I know, I come home. I said, well, sweetheart, that sounds like some good soup cooking. She said, it's not ours. I said, whose is it? She said, well, it's it's a friend down the street. They family fellow
on some hard times. Man, I wanted that soup so bad. So that was a sacrifice seed. We may not have had much money, but we had something as a seed. And God does nothing without a seed, nothing apart from faith, and nothing without love, those three things. And so what happened she took it down there? I guess within two three days the phone rang. He said, I'm a person working at this new employment company. I ran across your wife's application. Is she around? I said yeah, and she
said put her on the phone. He put on the phone. She said, yep, yep, yep. Well he said he had something for now, understand what we had done. We had designed her job. She wanted it ten minutes from the house. She wanted it with this kind of office in computers. She wanted it with a good manager boss. She wanted it with this much money, and she wanted an automobile with it. All of those on a card. We have
that card today. We took that card and believed by faith that God that heaven in her would meet the terms on that card. And watch this. She came back from the interview. I said, how did we do? She said, get the card? I said, ten minutes from the house. She said just about ten minutes. I said, okay, um, how about the office? She said, nice office. I said, how about the money? She said the money she gave me five thousand dollars more than we had on the card.
I said, that was my prayer. She I said, well, how about the car? She said, they told me to go pick up the new Buick. No notice, you are never designed to live in the world you didn't create. You can create your own world. Now. I didn't say the world. I said your own world, and you're designed to do that. That's a production capability that you have. People are not poor because they don't have enough money, or don't have a job that pays much. They're poor
because of the absence of self production. Never forget that. And so what happened every person is can be a producer. When they're not, they become migrant. They have to go somewhere else, either go out in the next in suburb to get to the grocer's oil, and they have to go from another country across into this country trying to get because of self productive they haven't been taught that they can produce. And when they're not taught that, the
next thing you do, they become only consumers. And I'm just saying, wherever you are, God can make you a producer. You can create your own world by the word of God. So you know what's interesting to me is you left the town that you were at because you believe God as you were called you the ministry, and you you often talked about talk about rather how you went with two hundred dollars and you didn't have much of anything, but you you went with two hundred dollars and you
legitimately took a step of faith. And I think you and the broader point is this, I think that there's so many people, whether they be in you US abroad. Yeah, the seed is within them. They it's within them. But there's so much fear out here, care, failure, fear of not making it. Oh, we have two hundred dollars, I need to wait until I get ten dollars. And to be the perfect set of circumstances for you to win is how most people think of it. But all you just need is a seed to go out there and
God will do the rest. I don't think the biggest step was for me coming to Chicago with two hundred dollars, no place to stay with my family, and a lady opened our home to us and and started to keep kept us for eight months until we got started. I don't think that was the biggest step. The biggest step for me was to leave IBM. They were paying well, they're paying me so well, and that thing was sweet. I mean I had ambitioned to be to be the president of one of the divisions. That was the biggest
step for me. God said, I want you to leave and go preaching that wants you to go to school. Man. I went and told my boss, I said, John, I'm leaving the company. He looked up, said Bill. He jumped up and closed the door. He said, told Anne, and could you bring Bill some coffee places? So he sat down with me, said Bill, what's wrong to understand? I'm up in upper management. I've been groomed by the company. I'm a minority. Are you following? I'm saying it? And
I'm on his watch? And he could not afford me leaving on his watch. He said, Bill was wrong. I said, John, I have a call in my life. You have a what I said, I have a call in my life. Bill, take two weeks off. Okay, just take two itself. So I took two weeks off. If you know anything about vision, the clearer the vision, the faster your acceleration towards that goal. And when I got home and began to meditate that word, that vision cleared up. I came back after two weeks,
said Bill, how are you doing now? I said, John, doing just great. He said, well, what what's what's happening? What's your decision? I said, John, Not only I have to leave. I'm gonna have to leave real soon. Oh, Bill, I said John. I got to call him my life. Now. That's this is interesting because you can't explain that to somebody.
Because even the staff. Some of the staff I had I noticed I passed by their desk after they found out I was leaving, and when I passed by, they put their head down like they were working on something. You didn't need want to speak, but that's what I had to go through for that. Sometimes when people have been brought up in a home where there's not much, then they seek security. And you'll find when they get older,
they won't take risk. You'll find that people brought up in homes with an appeals that all kinds of things happen else for seven years, and what happened when we get in the Kingdom in God, in Christ. We have to renew our minds because that's where those thoughts are located, at that subliminal level. And if you get down in there, through meditation, which can get down in there, it can empty that thing out and give you a rewrite. You mean to start all over again, meaning you will begin
to see things in a much different light, much different light. Absolutely. Now let me ask you this question, because you know we're we're talking about faith, and I hope everyone is following along and able to understand. American culture is becoming increasingly secular and with time less and less and what Americans going to churches? Are you at all troubled bout these trainers? Yeah, I mean it doesn't help, but trouble you.
But I think that's why I was born. When you hear about something and it seems to have no value, then it affects your ability or your just decisions, or your desire to be a part of it because it just has you know, little no value. If from you know, going somebody selling a product or something like that, and it has no value to me or no perceived value,
then I don't go there. I mean, somebody goes to a restaurant and you know, I said, you know, what's a good restaurant, Well, you can go to ABC restaurant over here, but that food is not too good. Well I'm not going over there. I mean, it doesn't do me any good. And I think what has happened is somehow the value of this word has not been taught. People have not seen it work and not you know, doing during a time when when when I was growing up, I have to admit, you know, I saw the value
of the word, you know, some value. But then I came home and saw my parents fussing and fighting all over the I mean, what good is that? I mean, I just I didn't see word worked for me, you know know, And and so I had to get older to find out that many of them in the churches have not been taught how to use the word because if faith has no proof, it's a faith. And so what has happened is they haven't been taught faith, how faith works, how to use faith. I mean, I've got
my wife by faith. And then after about six months, um, a voice spoke to me and said, you married the wrong woman. You thought she could do this, so I was easy. So well, I said, oh my goodness, what am I going to do now? I went to a meeting and the guy talked on faith. You know, we are both Christians. And then I went out to the book table and I saw a little book on praying
God's word. I went out and picked up that little book, and I've slipped to a place where it says prayer for your wife, because in my opinion, I didn't need any prayer. Oh no, no, no, wrong. So what happened. I began to pray for her and here's what he said, things like this, My wife is a virtuous woman. She always does be good as long as there's life for dinner, the bread of idolist, gossip, discontent and self that he she does not eat. She gets up early, get spirit
of food for the house. She assigned her mazor task. She does not court neglect of her presiduties by assuming her kingdom duties. By assuming that she opens her mouth and skillful and godly wisdom, and her tongue is lost kindness, she gives counsel and instruction. The word is working mildly in our marriage. We've been transformed into the image of Jesus by the renewing about I'd read that, and aft I closed the book, something said to me, that's not true.
Everything in there was true because it came out of the Bible. Every line of that watch says there's difference between truth and facts. Yea, the truth is designed to remove or change the facts. And so as I said that, all of a sudden, things start looking better. Hey, now we've been married, what thirty six years? Thirty seven years? Don't tell he came here right now. But but but I'm just saying a marriage made in heaven. Why because the seeds that I sowed in the marriage were from
Heaven and that's why it's so sweet. And and when you say the truth can change the fact. We're talking about the Word of God, the Word and going wrong in your life. You can go to the Word of God and you can use that truth to change whatever fact that that you're anything that's wrong with your life. This word can change it anything. It's that powerful and I've seen it work in my own life. We're going to continue that point in the moment, but first, here's
a quick word from our sponsor. Let me switch gears a little bit up in Alabama during Jim Crow era, thinking what racism looks like? Personal? What do you what do you take of some of the things that have been happening in our country this year. I'm talking about George Floyd. I'm talking about Black Lives Matter, all the tension is going on in America to that. Well, I
think there are some agendas with that. And I'm about to put up something on the website because people want me to answer what's going on now, So I've developed something. I'm about to put it on the website. But that okay, Um, what I believe is this is there some manipulation going on here. No, here's Here's what I'm saying. The thing that happened to George Floyd or any of the Floyd is something that never should happen, no, no doubt about
never should happen. But at the same time, this year, we've had over six hundred murders by other black shooting blacks in Chicago. Nothing said about it, not one thing. How many blacks been shot by policeman in Chicago this year maybe seven, maybe because of encounters, maybe seven, maybe eight. But the ships are all those Some of those parents now, they tell me, have been grieving so long until they're starting to die early because of their son's being shot. See,
I can. I can see it because I'm I'm here, and I can. I've seen the funerals and I've seen. But what understand George Floyd. I understand prejudice. I understand this is not okay. But wait a minute, let's look at the whole picture. I feel like somebody is being manipulated. That's not right. You mean these parents, for some reasons, are not as bad office as George Ford's Floyd's parents. I understand. If you've got military people, they need prayer.
If you've got policemen, they need prayer. If you've got first responders, they need prayer. Doctors need prayer. They have somehow the scalpel has cut the wrong thing. They all need prayer. And I'm saying that is a piece there, that that's the part I don't like you because somebody here is not telling the whole story. So you see it as an agenda driven people are using tragedies to advance an agenda. Well, I think there's an agenda enclosed
in that. I really do. And and and I think if anybody looked at the whole picture, I don't think. I don't see how they could come out with a different um you know, understanding, I mean, think about it. Now. You tell me about joege Floyd or anybody somebody in Nashville wherever they're being shot by a policeman or whatever have you. Then I'll come back over here. And I said, what what what? Whoa? Whoa? Now does I have one their six d here? Okay, let let's help me with this. Now,
Why don't you say anything about this over here? Because over here is where I'm working. I'm right now. I've got a big prison reform ministry. I got big. So I'm gonna go ahead. I'm trying to put up a thing now that we're going to teach nothing but skills in the hood and so forth. It's trying to put
a bank. I try to put a bank in there. See, nobody said anything about that, because maybe that can get some of this pressure off or have it so that the black communities won't have such a difficult time with with kids being shot in the head, and so far, that's not that's that's not. Come on, Where where is that? Who's talking about? That's been going on for years? So I just feel like, hey, wait a second, somebody's playing some games and I'm not. I'm not. I'm not for
that for the whole picture. Now, I believe injustice. Don't do the number one target of demonic abuse in the last days, there's going to be the justice system that's gonna be that, that's gonna be then on our national politics. We're seeing that right now. We're absolutely seeing that right now.
And it's system. It's so interesting that you speak on the violence in Chicago because you're not just one to say, man, it's it's kind of messed up that all these and shot you you did something and you were recently rather folks within your your your organization, recently on Fox News
Channel on Laura Ingram Show. I think it was last year, the year before last, talking about all the things y'all are doing in terms of going into the prisons and turning we uh, that's what Dr Cornegille and my staff, we're actually going in there now, we're jail. We're taking financial literacy in there. Now they're coming right out and
getting jobbed. As a matter of fact, before the pandemic, we had the employers to come to cook out of jail on the days we graduated the inmates from our series of course is and they were actually in ruling or enrolling hiring the inmates right there just before they got out. Wow, that's how powerful that thing was because we got to cut it off, sir. And and not not enough as being said about that. Yeah, and you
know what, the program is so remarkable. I went interviewed two inmates at the County jail for Fox News Channel, and if people want to take a look at that clip, you can go to my Instagram edgen I don't called well and check it out on my YouTube page. But I interviewed these two men, one who went to jail for I believe it was murdering. The other one was a bank robber at one time. And they were really really preaching about how great the program was. And I
know you go beyond that. You get them when they get out of jail too. I know you had the program, or at least still do have the program at the church where the folks who maybe you had a background, maybe they whatever they help it would go to the church and they would get to take them to the second chance that you would take them to the manufacturers. And absolutely we can. We we we received one of
our stores that happened to be empty. In our one of our most one of our stores, somebody sent us a whole store full of men suits, shirts, I mean these were name brands. Everything shows up, a boot, all of that. It was looked. So we just had the inmates. They come come to the store, shirt and once for certain days, line up. Come on and you get suited up. Watch this. We've got a tailor that can tailor you up and so forth into and here's the shoes, here's
the socks, here's everything. Everything they want m and we still have palettes of them. Left and you teach them the word too, don't you. But it's not absolutely, that's that without We opened a whole new location so when they come to catch the bus, they could sit and listen at the word before they catch the bus to go after their jobs. Oh yeah, oh yeah, who's talking about that. I'm just saying, let's cut it off at
the root. Yes, and I thought, I've actually talked to the Trump administration about what you your your program and what you were doing. Oh yeah, they know about it. Involved absolutely, We're going to continue that point in the moment. But first he used a quick word from our sponsor. Can you talk to us about the Joseph School of Business please? Yeah? Okay. Some years ago I was asked to come. One of the members said, my boss wants to see you. I said, what he wants to see
me about? And he said, we only wants to I think he wants to know what he could do for some of the youth in Chicago. Okay, So I went and visited with him. He was ahead of a fortune company here in Chicago headquarters. Here, here's a CEO and he said, hey, whover and I want to know what I could do for blackmail youth in Chicago. Show Okay, I it, Bob, I don't know what you gonna do today. Give me seven days. I'll come back and tell you exactly what to do. Seven days past, God gave me
a a real strategy, and so I came back. So it was to go to the schools on the West Side, get twenty kids out of the eleventh and twelfth grades. Get twenty kids and have a nine month program. They meet on Saturdays only, and a nine month program. Let's take them through Covenant Talk, which is the Bible for the first half hour and just use examples, illustrations, so forth and long of how the Covenant can help them, and then teach some business. So when they first came
said hey, I said, what do you want to be? Well, um, I want to be uh, you know Michael Jackson. Oh, I want to be Michael Jordan's. Um, I want to be like Mike you know, I mean everybody everybody wanted to be that. And then after six months of me parading people in front of them that looked like them, who happened to be advertising managers and so forth and so on, I what do you want to be? Now? After six months now a one, I said, don't tell us,
draw it. And one came up with a piece of paper that he had taped together and he had this big thing on it, and I said, okay, what's that? Can you guess what it is that he wants to be? Nobody could guess. I said, okay, tell us what is it that you want to be? He said, this is one of my hotels. And I'm just saying we got him. Most of them never been the airport, most of them hadn't been to sections downtown. Most of them hadn't been
They were afraid, and I'm saying we broke that. They began to break out of the gangs that they were in. And the principle asked me when we started, how are you going to motivate them? How are you going to give them the desire to learn? And we gave him the desire by showing him the fruit of Canaan. When we showed him that fruit, that fruit is designed and say, hey, I want to be that, I want to be this,
and they call onto hand signals. We took them down to the downtown and it showed them commodities exchanged and showed them hand signals. They came back and we said, okay, give us a hand signals for this, give us a hand signals for that. Everything to hit picked up. They're learning just was accelerated. So that was the beginning of it. And we had them to learn to sell eggs because they sold them to their neighbors and and let them the neighbors see them as something other than gang bangers
in the community. So that was the start of I had to stop it because we got too busy with the ministry and so forth. On them cry because I had to stop and so forth. But I had to couldn't go on the next year. So then years later Joseph Business School started and that's the entrepreneurship School. What we take people who just give me a read and
write high school education. You come in, we'll teach you how to start a business and how to scale that business and we want you to reach a million dollars within the first year success. Oh my goodness, my goodness. And we're about to escalate that now. So we've opened up a whole new school in South Africa where we've you know, looking at other places. Now we have schools and in five different continents. Wow, that's what it's done.
So it's educating people, it's taking them so that they could see their mission as a business leader in their communities to hire people, give them jobs, so forth and so on, and not just retail. How about manufacturing the whole thing, the whole thing, the whole thing. And it is highly successful and it's been we've got an awards for and so forth like that. But I just want to get the fruit from it. I want I wanted to change the economy of these there is golden together.
I want them to change the economy of these neighborhoods that they said nothing can grow in there. I've been declaring this that we're going to turn the West Side into Wall Street. Wow. And that's the west side of Chicago. You're from. Wow. I gotta tell you, and I'm gonna tell you this. I didn't go to the Joseph Business School, but I was in your ministry and still am. Let me be clear about that, but I would go to you have three services as a twenty thousand member church.
I would go to. When I first started going, I was so in tune with what you were seeing and I had never heard it before, and you were really programming me out of a victim mentality and dependency on the government and all these other things. And like I said, you're the reason, part of the reason why I became a conservative. And I didn't really realize that into years later, that it was the message that I kept hearing from
you week after week. You don't get into politics. You tell people, hey, you know, I'm not politically the politicians come to the church. You let them, you know, wave and introduce them, but that that's about it. But even you told people, and you know, we got a lot of folks in the Church of the African Americans and it's you know, Chicago's a democratic stone call. You say, listen, we gotta pay, we gotta pray for President Trump. We
have to pray for those who are in authority. That's our that's our responsibility to pray for all that are in authority. Absolutely absolutely, and being under that ministry as I still am, caused me to own a multi union apartment building at the age of nineteen years old, y'all, And that that was the end of my story. There now we go. I know, it was a blessed that
we're gonna close out. You got a book coming out or you got yeah, yeah, well I've got several, you know, But I've got one the Kingdom of God, which is something that a lot of the believers don't know anything about, which is a person who doesn't understand the Kingdom doesn't really understand a whole lot of the bibble. Now we can read it and get some principles from it and so forth. But this Kingdom message is a message that, um, you get ahold of that you'll succeed anywhere. And I'm
coming out with a new book. I'm coming out with a revised The Kingdom of God in You, and then up coming out with another one called Revelation of Royalty, letting you know who you really are. Royalty is a concept that the Holy Spirit has to two to you into. He has to let you know that you came from a royal family, meaning the family of God. And if a person has to understand that that the royalty doesn't come without wealth, I mean, royalty doesn't come without dignity.
Royalty doesn't come The Holy Spirit will teach you how to talk again, how to walk your You'll teach you the deportment. He'll teach you how to to say things, how to use wisdom, he will teach you to operate like royalty. And I'm coming out with that book as well. But the one that's out right now is Faith and the Marketplace. That's the one that's big. Faith in the marketplace. Faith and the Marketplace. You people have to know. Faith is applied to church, it's applied to media, it's applied you,
applied everywhere, and it will take you up the mountain. Wow. Then I agree because I've seen their work for myself and I think that's the best thing to have demonstration what to work and do. And I'm forever thankful to you for your leadership, your mentorship, you being my spiritual dad. I really really am thankful for you. Now before we go, and I know I want to give people your social media which is on on Twitter as Dr Bill Winston
for those who may want to follow you. I know you have an Instagram account to and I I think that's Dr Bill as well, and Facebook pages, so please do follow him there because he Oh and YouTube YouTube You've got like some great amazings and I watch them
all the time, The Sunday Service, the whole deal. Now, before you go, would you mind, would you mind just give us a short prayer Thanksgiving Thanksgiving week, and there's a lot of families that can't come together because of the different laws of the landing, and certainly those who can you know, there's no no distance in the spirit. I understand that. Can you just give us a yeah, let me just say this before I do pray, Just
letting people know God it's not forgotten you. Just by your listening to this broadcast, a podcast, whatever you're listening to. I'm just let you know there's no coincidence that you're listening to it. He's not forgotten you. And I'm here to let you know, as is a spokesman for good
He's not forgotten you. Let's pray. Father, We thank you so much for all those who are listening, and thank you Lord for you giving us what we need to wake up in the morning and being able to carry out the work that you've assigned us to do or Lord, to be able to have hope in our hearts. Father, we thank you also for things that you've done for us, even in the past, when you've carried us over. We didn't even know you were carrying us, but you were
caring us and protecting us. Thank you for it. Now, we're thanking you also for what we have today, thought, what we've done, what we've accumulated, the things that we have been blessed with. And now we also thank you for what were you're going to do. The Lord you said you only do great things, and we're expecting that right now. So we give you and celebrate you and the name of Jesus doing this time of thanksgiving. And let you know, Lord will always give your name to praise.
Thank you for it and Jesus. Amen. Hey man, Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, Thank you so. Dr Bill Winston, thank you. I want to thank you for joining the outline with you oswell and people will be following there. Thank you so much, thank you, Thank you. God black Play. I want to give a very special thank you to my pastor, Dr Bill Winston for a very very amazing interview, inspiring one which I hope everyone
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